00:00 Intro 02:06 Samuel-UT | Matt's Chess Model Of Morality Is Incomplete 09:10 Anthony-VA | Life Came From An Intelligence (Round 2) 14:04 John-(SE) | Is Having A Conversation Worth Damaging A Relationship? 32:38 Javier-IA | I'm Not Transphobic, But I Don't Like Trans People 38:11 ACA Clips 40:00 Nikki-OR | Jewish Atheist Found Jesus 48:24 Henri-(EE) | God Is The Reflection Staring At You In The Mirror 53:32 Patrick-FL | I Don't Know What I Believe 54:48 Jacob-TX | Credible Evidence Converted Me To Christianity 1:11:11 Ben-TX | The Lies Of Muslim Apologists 1:20:31 Robert-ID | You Can't Prove A God, But You Should Embrace Him Anyway 1:31:20 Jaime-AL | Why Don't Atheists Have The Elevation Emotion? 1:38:23 Outro
@@outhousephilosophies3992 no idea, but there was a dude Canadian catholic or something who always said I used to be a devoted inner circle atheist before finding jesus, and matt was like wait, I didn’t know there is a inner circle how come i never got invited. 😂
“Could you present one argument or one specific thing that you want to talk about with us?” “Sure yeah I would encourage people to put aside their biases, be humble, and then look at the other side-” “OMFG!” Matt said it best 😂
I say kudos to humanity and Matt for having achieved a circumstance wherein almost anyone, regardless of mentality, can participate in fine institutions like TAE.
@Tess Lighthand A call that puts me in mind of an ancient experience. I was reluctant to go home, you know, tiff with partner, so stayed chatting and drinking whiskey sour in the U coffee lounge and when it closed I began walking, surprised at the five steps forward, three back process. Oh yes, pretty hammered! Just a mile, eventually arriving, the lizard desperate for draining, I heard a shriek and discovered to my bemusement that what I had taken to be the toilet was actually the foot of our bed. Directed down the hall with laughter, found the next room and hosed down her grandmother's antique rocker. Interrupted once again, next room, aahhh, third time lucky. That I could walk at all, in a state of mind that saw toilets where there were none, made an impression on me. Call in to TAE show in that state of mind and voila we have our caller.
I wish people would accept my god. Her name is Astarte and I know she exists because the truth was revealed to me in the book "Skinny Legs and All" by that holiest of holy writers, Tom Robbins.
@@kattihatt This “good cop” can hold his own on the show. Matt tends to run over some of the other cohosts at times. That’s not necessarily a criticism, as Matt is usually a better public speaker and is a very quick thinker compared to some cohosts.
@@KBosch-xp2ut This for sure. AP despite being softspoken will jump into the conversation and cut through the BS. Other cohosts entertain some of the BS, and even some of the cohosts with bigger attitude will wait for Matt to ‘give’ them their turn (I don’t think it’s usually Matt’s fault, just the cohosts wait too long).
To clarify, whenever somebody puts an adjective like committed or similar things before atheist, my first thought is that they never had a clue what atheism is and are looking at it through religious glasses and propaganda like it is another religion to be committed to.
@@m.g7408 Caller : "Yeah, I was a commited atheist, bragged to everyone how god does not exist, etc. So I had one day this bizarre experience I couldn't explain with my limited knowledge, so I prayed and went to my pastor and he said "look at the scripture". And boom, now i'm a theist" Me thinks there's something fishy her :)
Nikki: You had pancreatic cancer and multiple sclerosis and it just disappeared? You're a liar. I call bull$hit! I'm usually a really nice guy, but that just freaking made me angry! 😡
If she had said cancer I'd believe that is it "disappeared" (remission). However FUCKING MS ain't something that just "goes away". She may not necessarily be lying, just seriously deluded in the same way people think you can just pray being gay away.
Ive seen this kind of testimony mostly from x-tians that will readily lie for their favored religion such as"plants"=people paid off by charismatic"miracle preachers" to pretend to be healed of specious "illnesses",people in the audience that have only mild symptoms of an illness that experience a psychological placebo effect that is only temporary,(an hour later they are back in the wheelchair etc,)and of course people with misdiagnosed illnesses and natural remissions from illness give credit to prayer/god and a persistant delusion still supported by the catholic church is the persistance in using exorcism to drive "demons" out of the so-called "possessed" when the real issue is mental illness or just neediness for attention....
Complete liar. At most I suspect she had a pancreatic cyst and likely some vague symptoms of suspected MS which didn’t develop into MS. There is such a thing as benign MS too which she could have had meaning no more flare ups after a very long period of time, essentially it doesn’t progress. She was also never an atheist
Jacob "I've been studying Matt for years" Doesn't know what a deist is. Doesn't understand why personal experiences aren't evidence. Says he was an atheist but talks about how he prayed and talked to a pastor. Methinks Jacob might win a Lying for Jesus award😃
"personal experience is the most powerful form of evidence for any individual" asserts @cLIED is a TranSentMental Sista, having himself hallucinated his "god" into existence. LMFAO!
@Clyde Barrow The national board of mental patients supports you on defending the standpoint that all delusions are to be taken seriously. You're clinging to straws to rationalize your line of reasoning and probably dishonest as I take it you would not defend people from competing religions sharing their personal personal experiences, be honest, I know that's difficult but give it a try..
Nikki needs to read about spontaneous remission. And how cruel would Jesus be to cure her but ignore the pleas of parents of dying children? Perhaps she is enjoying the idea of being more special than others?
People can be atheist for bad reasons, kind of suspect what they call atheism and what you think of may be very different things. I don't think we should be making claims about what other people experience, this is the gaslighting apologists do when they claim we were never true believers in the first place.
@@uninspired3583 yes people can be atheists for bad reasons, I just don't find Nikki to be credible, her call sounded to me as someone who claims to be a former atheist as attempting some type of connection to an atheist, it never works, if anything she is gaslighting, they always claim the evidence just overwhelmed my atheism and I just had to believe, and it is always some bullshit another reason I don't find her credible is she claimed to be cured of MS, MS does not have a cure, so she was bullshiting there, surprised matt didn't mention that, I really just didn't find what she claimed credible and it is such weak evidence
@@ARoll925 There is a form of MS that comes in waves, maybe she's experienced RRMS. For someone who spoke of the scientific method, and investigation, she didn't seem to know very much about it.
@@uninspired3583 Too many people don’t understand the difference between their experiences and their interpretations of their experiences. Most of the time atheists challenge their interpretations of their experiences.
@@FourDeuce01 that's right. I've certainly seen some things that I can't explain, and would be fairly easy to appeal to supernatural. But not being able to explain a thing isn't positive evidence of anything. We need to challenge our own interpretations of our experiences too.
Nikki's pretty much the standard 'ex-atheist' who calls in. It always comes off as if they have no idea what atheism is, and they never critically thought about theological positions prior and after their conversion. It's understandable if they came to religion purely on emotional or "i can't explain" reasons, but it's annoying when they want to act like "You'll see the light one day if you think about it!" We have thought about it, far more than you ever have or will, which is why we're not convinced by your luffy emotional stories.
Why is it every time we ask these so-called “ex-atheists” to give us a reason to believe in a god they claimed to discover, always turn out to be some kind of a emotional excuse, apparently from being in need of a community, and not something we could actually experiment with to obtain results in order to see if this god is real or not?
In Nikkis case I thought she did explain her experience. Being cured of Pancreatic cancer and MS by a nutty lady and group prayers. I wonder if she associated heavy drinking symptoms, liver disease and the shakes, with Panx cancer and MS. Actual alcohol confusion mixed with inherent tendency to find excuses, we hear what we want sometimes.
@Clyde Barrow "Because God is not physical. Only the gods are thought to be physical and located." Are you trying for your childish "God" vs "gods" GOTCHA again? You God, by definition is a god... Stop trying to be clever, it's not working for you.....
Exactly, "I just knew" is very annoying and useless. I'd bet my left nut that she didn't research anyone but Jesus and then discounted anything that didn't feel true.
@Clyde Barrow There is neither evidence or reason on the side of your ridiculous fairy beliefs. More people believe in "the gods" than in "God," by the way. Polytheism is less logically problematic. Monotheism hs to deal with that pesky problem of Evil thing. There is no such thing as "non-physical" existence, by the way. Anything that exists exists physically. There is no other way to exist. There is no other way to know anything but empirically. Every single thing you think you know about your sky fairy you learned empirically. You believe for no reason. You can't give one. You won't give one. You don't have one. Obviously you have never lifted finger to check your own beliefs, but you should make the effort. You're a failure as a witness.
I don't why anyone would doubt Nikki's cool Christian conversion story. "I was totes a hardcore Jewish atheist who had an experience I'm not gonna share, but it was off the chain, and now I'm down with JC." I'm a big fan of vaguely-defined, poorly-presented conversion stories that sound less convincing than a Kazakhstan timeshare pitch.
Don’t forget her research that she also couldn’t go into. What I got from her call was when she said “I used to be an atheist and follow the scientific method”. Is that she became a theist once she dropped the scientific method. Which just leaves faith, incredulity, and fallacious arguments to determine what is real.
I’m so happy to see an ex-Muslim as a co-host. AP is patient, kind and understanding. His perspective will allow non-Muslims to learn more about what Muslims believe (through the Muslim apologetic callers). Though I am atheist, the anti-Muslim attitudes in the US is alarming. They’ve been portrayed as the boogeymen to hate and any type of “Othering” of anyone not white/Christian in the US needs to stop. I am hoping his kindness and understanding help dispel the rhetoric.
To be fair, I’m just as “anti-Muslim” as I am “anti-Christian”, in the sense that both religions maintain reductive, disgusting foundations. If I respect a Muslim or a Christian, I respect them despite their outdated, harmful, bizarre beliefs.
@@Leith_Crowther yes and no. I’m anti-christian and anti-Christianity, just as I’m anti-Muslim and anti-islam. The religions are atrocious, and so are the proponents of those religions. And yes, this is a blanket statement, but I find anyone who supports tenets of religions that tell you to slay unbelievers or stone your children reprehensible.
@@rhyantrick8178 I was thinking alcohol, Pancreatic cancer and MS being her interpretation of Acute Liver Disease. However, drugs probably a better fit
She found Jesus yet she's keeping the experience to herself.. what a tease! How selfish can you be that you save the key to salvation to yourself? That's so anti-christian!
True, Just because the US Healthcare system is so bad, people just self diagnose lumps that go away and praise Jesus because seeking experts costs money they don't have. Just because medically unexplained happened, doesn't mean it is a miracle. Often those stories are quite warped because people listen so badly to what the the actual experts are saying about their diagnosis
“I’ve been called transphobic” What did you say? “You tell me” I wasn’t there. You were. What did you say that was followed by someone calling you transphobic? “Well let me say….” This guy had his feelings hurt because someone said something he felt was unfair. He’s going to claim that’s indicative of his persecution, even though he refuses to allow that line of reasoning for anyone else. Imagine being so entitled the fact that other people exist bothers you. Tough shit. That’s the entirety of the online community. Especially in the US.
I honestly think people call in and say "I'm a big fan of yours!" in an attempt to soften the hosts, and im so very glad the host are seeing straight through that bs and still holding their feet to the fire! 🔥 Hopefully logic and reason finds them, and they become legit fans of the hosts and the show, and develop a legitimate understanding of the host's position.
my favourite indicators of an entertaining call are: early flashing of the atheist creds ("I used to be *SUCH* an atheist," mmmmph) and if the first thing they do in the call is get on their knees and start fellating the hosts ("I *LOVE* you guys! You've taught me *so much* about reason, argumentation and epistemology...")
My mother was diagnosed with metastatic cancer from the lung which spread to other parts of her body. She had standard treatment which was usually not effective. For some Reason the cancer went into remission. She does not believe in religion nor did anyone pray for her (that I know of). It’s just the luck of the draw and most others who had the same cancer at the same time are likely dead as the survival rate is so poor. Sounds like the caller accepted a religious explanation from her selective bias than just plain luck!
I seriously think Nikki was just straight up lying. Someone else here suggested she might have had problems with alcoholism that have abated since she's stopped drinking, and she's content to just call cirrhosis, the shakes, etc MS and pancreatic cancer because a lot of people don't treat medical terms correctly--based on people I've known that also seems very possible.
@@nameforcomments4092 that could also be true. She is lying to convert others to the faith or put doubts into peoples minds about moving away from being theists.
I am trying to understand why Jacob was praying when he was an atheist. Why did he have "faith in the text"? If I heard it correctly, he said, "I had a supernatural experience after I put faith in the text." So he put faith in the text first. Why would an atheist put faith in the text?
On the CARM discussion boards once one of the moderators claimed that she saw a youtube video of an actual limb regeneration miracle. She went to obtain the link to post for all to see but...shocker...she couldn't find it. LOL
I thought that was a bad example, anyway. It could be faked with a magic trick, CGI, etc. I'd need to witness it first hand, after having personally inspected the person's limbs beforehand. Even then, mistakes in my perception and memory would be far more likely than a human leg descending from the sky and attaching to an amputee.
I live in France and I watch every Monday your show with the same pleasure. Thank you Matt and your co-hosts for what you have been doing for so long to help us free ourselves from the insidious indoctrination that has formatted our ways of thinking and I take this opportunity to wish you a good recovery
@@ookeekthelibrarian Not everything fun 🙃is beneficial. Didn't your mother tell you that? By the way aren't you due to join the worms and the dust soon?
I think Jaime might be talking about the effect of endorphins. The feeling people get in church (where ppl SAY it is the so called holy spirit), is exactly the same you get at concerts for example. This high / happy / connected feeling.
I studied world religions and college and there is something like the "Born gain" or "Holy Spirit" experience in just about every religion. It goes back to antiquity. The word "enthusiasm" is from the Greek *en theos* "God inside." It is common for people to think it is an indwelling of a spirit or of a deity. The descriptions are the same, ecstasy, even speaking in tongues. These are states which can be artificially induced through known techniques and those known techniques are frequently used by mega churches (they do a lot with light and sound and music. It's trivial to manipulate emotional states. The movies do it all the time). No, you can't prove none of them are really under the influence of the Holy Spirit, or of Zeus or of Krishna or of the Earth Mother, but it's an experience which is commonly understood to be essentially the same emotional states with different cultural interpretations. That caller wasn't wrong. Sociologists of religion say the same thing. They teach it in college.
Looking forward to hearing jamie then as my support worker said she actually heard and audible voice which was gods voice. She was at at conference when she heard it. She also saw flames above peoples heads which was something to do with the holy spirit. Do I think she heard actually something audible that day or saw flames above peoples heads? No!, can I prove it? Obviously not. Part of me thinks she lying so it sounds like god is part of these events which she cant prove to anyone else. She knows I dont buy into any miracles that jesus supposedly did and that it's all nonsense to me as extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Yup. Same as a Mary Kay meeting/conference or for that matter Avon, Amway or any other multi-level marketing strategy. The name may change but the skill set remains the same. You can compare that to any 1% ‘r bike club or anything other club for that matter. Ya you 81, I’m talking about you...the ones who say they have no rules. I call BS because anyone who knows, absolutely realizes there are rules to abide by, hierarchy and systems in place to keep those deemed valuable elevated and those merely “useful” kept happy enough to continue to work for the “man”, whoever that may be. But the fact remains, it’s all the same system. A star for a job well done in order to continue your climb to “success”. Euphoria in exchange for an expectation of greatness. That’s some kind of politics.
"If you want a better world, if you want justice...it's up to us to enact justice in this world...you need to work on it now, not hope that it happens in an afterlife. It is the pinnacle of procrastination and laziness and arrogance to hope an afterlife will fix this shit, you're not fixing now...". That is THE clip!
That was a great outro. When believers say "there couldn't have been another explanation" I like to ask what ones they considered and if they investigated them. I know they didn't and they know they didn't.
Jamie doesn't understand the emotions of joy and awe. As an Atheist I experience joy in many things..my granddaughters laugh, dancing, music, love, my football team winning. I experience awe in nature...I live in in a beautiful country 🇨🇦 with majestic views, beautiful music, art, the performance of great artists and athletes, pictures of outer space. Religion doesn't own these natural human emotions. And religions exploit these in humans for their own ends.
As soon as they said that they were taking a call from Javier, i knew the call was going to involve trans people. Javier is absolutely obsessed with trans people, particularly trans women.
"...some times they change back without any good reason". Well said Matt. Describes this episode very well. Great job guys. Keep up the "reasonable" work.
Its a great opening line that sounds "authentic"and costs nothing,but i do know one thing for certain: i Was raised as a roman catholic and hated the musty olde cult instinctively from day one,and the historical facts of catholic genocide,pathological money grubbing popes,pay for penance sin "forgiveness", the Inquisition/s and the astonishing multitude of pedophile clergy hidden and protected by the catholic heirarchy pretty much hammered the coffin nails through my fear-based childish conditioned belief,compared to some theist pretending to having been an "athiest" i have the weight of actual experience on my scale of justice...
I have PTSD from an accident, I am having a lot more hallucinations than I normally have had with it. The difference is I know they are produced by my condition. I see people walking into rooms when they are not, I saw someone pick up my car keys which they didnt. I dont question whether what I am seeing is real because it is not. It perturbs me sometimes. yes they look absolutely real but they are not. I dont get why anyone would trust their senses of something incredible rather than the obvious conclusion of the senses not being processed in a way that accurately reflects reality
I enjoyed the co-host! I am sorry to see you get so frustrated Matt, but it does make me giggle just a tiny bit because I am right there with you. I know I do not have to say it but thank you for sticking up for us trans folk. I was a huge fan even before I realized consciously that I was trans. It was a good show, it seemed like more than the usual number of crazies though.
That caller should've just answered the questions honestly, instead of continuously playing the victim of "false claims" and repeatedly switching from transphobia to Islamophobia. At least twice, he suggested that he thinks that transphobia means "fear of trans people." But he kept saying that people have falsely called him a transphobe because "he doesn't like what trans people do." If he didn't keep going all over the place, he could've learned a much better definition of "transphobia," he could've cited what specific behavior trans people engage in that he doesn't like, and they could've explored whether his reactions are reasonable (including whether he thinks that trans people should be denied any rights).
Terry Pratchett on chess: "Vimes had never got on with any game more complex than darts. Chess in particular had always annoyed him. It was the dumb way the pawns went off and slaughtered their fellow pawns while the kings lounged about doing nothing that always got him; if only the pawns united, maybe talked the rooks round, the whole board could’ve been a republic in a dozen moves."
LOL He said he was an atheist and the experience he had that brought him to christianity was studying and praying. LOL What was he doing praying if he was an atheist? LOL.
@Clyde Barrow Well, take for example abusing people in internet comments and not having the honesty to use your real name. There's a good one to start with 'Clyde'
@Clyde Barrow “Prove dishonesty is foundational to theism.” Ever heard the term “lying for Jesus” Danny boy? In perhaps one of the most notorious Christian deceptions of the 20th century, Peter Popoff’s televangelist ministry was exposed in 1986 by skeptic James Randi for using an earpiece to receive radio messages from his wife who was giving him the home addresses and ailments of audience members which he purported that he was receiving from God during his faith healing rallies. Despite going bankrupt the very next year in 1987 as a result, Popoff has made more than a recovery. In 2005, he received more than $23 million dollars in “ministry” donations. Currently he is using a portion of those donations to purchase TV time to promote "Miracle Spring Water" on late-night infomercials and via postal letters. However, it turns out that this miracle spring water that he stated was from Southern Russia is actually being purchased at Costco, the supermarket megastore. And of course, these days, Popoff once again refers to himself as a prophet.
But Nikki LOVES the show & the AP channel, she LOVES the hosts and watches ALL the time - I don't think any of that is remotely true. Nikki is a confused & dishonest thesit.
Nikki reminds me of the tactics used by every believer in my Hindu family. They advise me to "be humble and believe", without the slightest hint of irony. More deviously, when something bad happens to me, they feel compelled to tell me it's my lack of faith that caused it to happen. But if something good happens to me, well, they've been praying to their God on my behalf, you see.
@Clyde Barrow Nikki has to prove to us that she had cancer and that one day she woke up and din`t have cancer anymore. Nikki has that burden of proof. Are You asking Nikki to prove her claim ?
As an ex Muslim, id love to have a chat with the Muslim skeptic from Sweden, I think it was John?. I don't think all of his questions or comments were fully addressed and it would be great to have a chat together because I know first hand how isolating life can be when you decide to leave Islam.
@@bigm9228 that's right. So you might not even be a believer anymore but due to social pressures, you can't openly identify your theological position publicly
@Javier - something you said was really dumb. "I've been called racist, but I'm Hispanic." Dude, you can be Hispanic and still be racist. Hell, I know quite a few racist ones.
In Latin America especially, the darker ones skin is and the less spanish/european ones genetic line appears to be the lower one is on the racial heirarchy....
I feel like in recent years we are stuck in assuming/asserting God without any evidence. It is basically: I believe in God because I don't like to think what I experienced. It must be God because of cultural upbringing seems so lazy.
@@robinvan1983 Hence Lazy. One would think a God would be worth more than a vague feeling that makes the vague feelings in starwars downright clairvoyant. Having a quick artificially induced shot of dopamine no different from what you have at a rock concerts and chiming "personal experience" therefore God, it Utterly Pathetic.
I watched part of AP's debate with the Muslim philosophers that try to use a bogus definition of a "necessary being" and he did so well. He would not even let them get started with that. They were at a loss of how to debate back.
Regarding the hitler discussion at 1:29:33, hamza at hamza’s den declared that if hitler converted to Islam before dying then he would be forgiven so there’s no justice even if there’s an afterlife.
I'm glad that AP was on this show. He is patient, intelligent, doesn't say the word "like" every half a dozen words and doesn't have an annoying laugh.
"Like" is my generation's fill-in word. What drives me up the wall is the current generation's trend to start every sentence with "I mean." You know who you are.
Too many irrational, ridiculous and rather infuriating callers!!! I actually feel sorry for Matt and Ridvan to be faced with such pointless and ludicrous calls....
It feels like Javier's initial argument is a pedantic one. People like this think it's inappropriate to use the suffix "phobia" for anything that doesn't explicitly refer to an irrational fear of something. Since transphobia, Islamophobia, etc. are how we describe bigotry against those groups, they like to argue that they can't be transphobic because they don't technically "fear" them. Funny thing is, I don't know anybody who uses this argument who isn't also incredibly, obviously guilty of the conventional use of the label they're trying to avoid.
Except his point in that words don't mean what they used to is accurate in that people label others these words when it is not applicable which is generally the case when they don't have a counter argument to the argument or points being made.
@@SuperGirl-tf2wn I disagree. There will always be people on the fringes of a movement that overuse some words but it's not the majority and people who complain about it are like people complaining about PC or "woke" culture. They're mad they can't say and do things that they used to. And even if you were right, the guy who says "I'm not a transphobe" while heavily implying that all trans people are confused is not the guy to make that argument.
Miss the good ole days when callers at least were honest when attempting to explain their beliefs rather than the dodging, waffling, mental gymnastics, back-pedaling of recent callers.
Nobody ever notices that Hitler DEFINITELY got into evangelical "heaven" as long as he accepted jeebus into his heart, just before pulling the trigger...
Why wouldn't he get into heaven? According to what the Bible says, Hgod wanted Hitler to be the leader of Germany. Romans 13:1-4 and 1Peter 2:13-14 Say be subject to every human institution. All authorities (laws and governments) are from God. These passages also mean that if a government decides abortion is legal, it's because god wanted that government in power and wanted abortion to be legal.
Along with a multitude of pedophile catholic clergy who full well know the magic words and are going to be comfortably housed with the rest of the "redeemed" criminal x-sters...
So.....Nikki is one of the few who Jesus decided to heal of MS and pancreatic cancer. Got it, good for you Nikki. Why don't you now pray for God to heal all who have MS and cancer!
John-(SE) - Don't debate family - Just say you don't believe, and add the caveat that you are absolutely not interested in discussing the subject unless the preacher can find ways to reach common ground and compromise. Always put the ball in the court of the person who wants to play. The believer is the salesperson, just click "skip add" as soon as you get the chance.
Going by this episode alone one would get the feeling that theists are irrational people who don't think and Atheists are the opposite.... up your game, theists 😄
Don't hold your breath Sara :) Funny thing is, some theists claim that only "poor arguing" theists call in. I say to those theists, seize the opportunity.
@@williamswaney2615 yeah... its understandable that they don't have that good evidence for God... but in this episode I see that whatever they do have also they are not ready to reveal... for fear of being laughed at or something... then why call only...
On observation re AP - Matt asks a caller a specific, lucid question designed to hold him/her to account to keep the dialogue on track but then AP butts in to add his own comment so the caller doesn't answer the question. Matt is extremely on point with his questioning and each question but often the co-hosts chime in at the wrong moment. There really is no other host who comes close to Matt's reasoning and questioning.
One time I ended up going to church for some reason (wife’s parents, long story), and after the service, the pastor mingled with the congregation. I told him, “I thought your sermon about Jesus was really incredible!” He said, “Thank you.” And I said, “Maybe you should look up that word.” ("I do not think that word means what you think that word means." -- Inigo Montoya)
@Nikki you are so dishonest. You should actually listen to what is being said and respond to what is being said rather than playing dodgeball with questions.
I wonder when Apostate Prophet has been dealing with these super goofy people as long as Matt has , will he still be patient or cuss them out like Matt.
00:00 Intro
02:06 Samuel-UT | Matt's Chess Model Of Morality Is Incomplete
09:10 Anthony-VA | Life Came From An Intelligence (Round 2)
14:04 John-(SE) | Is Having A Conversation Worth Damaging A Relationship?
32:38 Javier-IA | I'm Not Transphobic, But I Don't Like Trans People
38:11 ACA Clips
40:00 Nikki-OR | Jewish Atheist Found Jesus
48:24 Henri-(EE) | God Is The Reflection Staring At You In The Mirror
53:32 Patrick-FL | I Don't Know What I Believe
54:48 Jacob-TX | Credible Evidence Converted Me To Christianity
1:11:11 Ben-TX | The Lies Of Muslim Apologists
1:20:31 Robert-ID | You Can't Prove A God, But You Should Embrace Him Anyway
1:31:20 Jaime-AL | Why Don't Atheists Have The Elevation Emotion?
1:38:23 Outro
Thank-you Time Stamp Person/s ♥
Thanks! 👍👍
I vote for Apostate Prophet and Matt as the best AE co-host team out of all recent combos.
I’d love to donate to the show but in Australia it doesn’t allow me. Thanks for what you do guys
Another great job by the hosts.
A caller beginning a call with “I used to be an atheist” is a near-guarantee that the call is going to go terribly, horribly, catastrophically wrong.
Lol yep it usually happens with dishonest people
Hey I used to be an atheist then I learned language and was brainwashed
Even more so when they were a committed atheist or inner circle atheist. 😂
@@m.g7408second time I’ve heard inner circle, what’s it mean buddy
@@outhousephilosophies3992 no idea, but there was a dude Canadian catholic or something who always said I used to be a devoted inner circle atheist before finding jesus, and matt was like wait, I didn’t know there is a inner circle how come i never got invited. 😂
“Could you present one argument or one specific thing that you want to talk about with us?”
“Sure yeah I would encourage people to put aside their biases, be humble, and then look at the other side-”
“OMFG!”
Matt said it best 😂
😂😂
I say kudos to humanity and Matt for having achieved a circumstance
wherein almost anyone,
regardless of mentality,
can participate in fine institutions like TAE.
if she and her ilc practiced what she preachers, thered be a lot less christians
@Tess Lighthand A call that puts me in mind of an ancient experience.
I was reluctant to go home,
you know, tiff with partner,
so stayed chatting and drinking whiskey sour in the U coffee lounge and
when it closed I began walking,
surprised at the five steps forward, three back process.
Oh yes, pretty hammered!
Just a mile, eventually arriving, the lizard desperate for draining,
I heard a shriek and discovered to my bemusement that
what I had taken to be the toilet was actually the foot of our bed.
Directed down the hall with laughter,
found the next room and
hosed down her grandmother's antique rocker.
Interrupted once again, next room, aahhh, third time lucky.
That I could walk at all,
in a state of mind that saw toilets where there were none,
made an impression on me.
Call in to TAE show in that state of mind and voila
we have our caller.
I wish people would accept my god. Her name is Astarte and I know she exists because the truth was revealed to me in the book "Skinny Legs and All" by that holiest of holy writers, Tom Robbins.
AP is a great addition to the show.
yes, yes, yes!
His good humour and patience is the perfect balance to Matt's, er, excitable nature.
This combination of hosts is the closest we get to a true good cop bad cop dynamic and I love it
Isnt that true for all co-hosts to Matt? 😀
@@kattihatt
This “good cop” can hold his own on the show. Matt tends to run over some of the other cohosts at times. That’s not necessarily a criticism, as Matt is usually a better public speaker and is a very quick thinker compared to some cohosts.
@@KBosch-xp2ut true true.
@@KBosch-xp2ut This for sure. AP despite being softspoken will jump into the conversation and cut through the BS. Other cohosts entertain some of the BS, and even some of the cohosts with bigger attitude will wait for Matt to ‘give’ them their turn (I don’t think it’s usually Matt’s fault, just the cohosts wait too long).
This is my favorite comment.
Somehow when somebody says they were a committed atheist, an alarm goes off in the back of my head.
To clarify, whenever somebody puts an adjective like committed or similar things before atheist, my first thought is that they never had a clue what atheism is and are looking at it through religious glasses and propaganda like it is another religion to be committed to.
@@m.g7408 Caller : "Yeah, I was a commited atheist, bragged to everyone how god does not exist, etc.
So I had one day this bizarre experience I couldn't explain with my limited knowledge, so I prayed and went to my pastor and he said "look at the scripture". And boom, now i'm a theist"
Me thinks there's something fishy her :)
"Religion is like a virus in my software"
Well said John!❤
I feel for John my family has been horrible to me ( especially the extended family), and I was Christian for a Muslim it must be hard
@@outhousephilosophies3992 oh yes I'm sure it's very hard.😞
Raised around the funeral business you better act that there is a 'god' or something.
I got over the last little threads watching this show for ten years
Nikki: You had pancreatic cancer and multiple sclerosis and it just disappeared? You're a liar. I call bull$hit! I'm usually a really nice guy, but that just freaking made me angry! 😡
Yes..... She is a liar
If she had said cancer I'd believe that is it "disappeared" (remission).
However FUCKING MS ain't something that just "goes away". She may not necessarily be lying, just seriously deluded in the same way people think you can just pray being gay away.
Ive seen this kind of testimony mostly from x-tians that will readily lie for their favored religion such as"plants"=people paid off by charismatic"miracle preachers" to pretend to be healed of specious "illnesses",people in the audience that have only mild symptoms of an illness that experience a psychological placebo effect that is only temporary,(an hour later they are back in the wheelchair etc,)and of course people with misdiagnosed illnesses and natural remissions from illness give credit to prayer/god and a persistant delusion still supported by the catholic church is the persistance in using exorcism to drive "demons" out of the so-called "possessed" when the real issue is mental illness or just neediness for attention....
Complete liar. At most I suspect she had a pancreatic cyst and likely some vague symptoms of suspected MS which didn’t develop into MS.
There is such a thing as benign MS too which she could have had meaning no more flare ups after a very long period of time, essentially it doesn’t progress. She was also never an atheist
Gotta lie for jesus.
I keep missing the show live. But the time stamps are great! Thank you!!
Jacob "I've been studying Matt for years"
Doesn't know what a deist is.
Doesn't understand why personal experiences aren't evidence.
Says he was an atheist but talks about how he prayed and talked to a pastor.
Methinks Jacob might win a Lying for Jesus award😃
"personal experience is the most powerful form of evidence for any individual" asserts @cLIED is a TranSentMental Sista, having himself hallucinated his "god" into existence.
LMFAO!
@Clyde Barrow The national board of mental patients supports you on defending the standpoint that all delusions are to be taken seriously.
You're clinging to straws to rationalize your line of reasoning and probably dishonest as I take it you would not defend people from competing religions sharing their personal personal experiences, be honest, I know that's difficult but give it a try..
@Clyde Barrow oh, go away, you dork.
@Clyde Barrow 🥱
How did you learn about God?
*Someone* explained the concept to you aka “personal experience”.
@Clyde Barrow you forgot this: /s
Nikki needs to read about spontaneous remission.
And how cruel would Jesus be to cure her but ignore the pleas of parents of dying children? Perhaps she is enjoying the idea of being more special than others?
You hit the nine inch nail right on the head.
BINGO!
Sorry I don't believe her pancreatic cancer Is deadly and Ms can be suffered at different levels but an awful disease don't believe her
Don't believe Nikki was an atheist for a second
People can be atheist for bad reasons, kind of suspect what they call atheism and what you think of may be very different things.
I don't think we should be making claims about what other people experience, this is the gaslighting apologists do when they claim we were never true believers in the first place.
@@uninspired3583 yes people can be atheists for bad reasons, I just don't find Nikki to be credible, her call sounded to me as someone who claims to be a former atheist as attempting some type of connection to an atheist, it never works, if anything she is gaslighting, they always claim the evidence just overwhelmed my atheism and I just had to believe, and it is always some bullshit
another reason I don't find her credible is she claimed to be cured of MS, MS does not have a cure, so she was bullshiting there, surprised matt didn't mention that, I really just didn't find what she claimed credible and it is such weak evidence
@@ARoll925 There is a form of MS that comes in waves, maybe she's experienced RRMS.
For someone who spoke of the scientific method, and investigation, she didn't seem to know very much about it.
@@uninspired3583 Too many people don’t understand the difference between their experiences and their interpretations of their experiences. Most of the time atheists challenge their interpretations of their experiences.
@@FourDeuce01 that's right. I've certainly seen some things that I can't explain, and would be fairly easy to appeal to supernatural. But not being able to explain a thing isn't positive evidence of anything.
We need to challenge our own interpretations of our experiences too.
Nikki's pretty much the standard 'ex-atheist' who calls in. It always comes off as if they have no idea what atheism is, and they never critically thought about theological positions prior and after their conversion. It's understandable if they came to religion purely on emotional or "i can't explain" reasons, but it's annoying when they want to act like "You'll see the light one day if you think about it!" We have thought about it, far more than you ever have or will, which is why we're not convinced by your luffy emotional stories.
And "God Bless You" is just saying "Fuck You"
They think claiming they used to be an athiest is evidence its true.
It's like Matt says...people are atheist for good reasons, and bad reasons...
"I'm like super skeptical and sciency and everyone has said so. Anyhow, I just knew that Jesus was behind my cure, but don't be biased man"
Never meet an ex-atheist that wasent also an ex-drug-addict.
Nikki called to preach. Nothing more.
Why is it every time we ask these so-called “ex-atheists” to give us a reason to believe in a god they claimed to discover, always turn out to be some kind of a emotional excuse, apparently from being in need of a community, and not something we could actually experiment with to obtain results in order to see if this god is real or not?
All theists are ex-atheists.
In Nikkis case I thought she did explain her experience. Being cured of Pancreatic cancer and MS by a nutty lady and group prayers.
I wonder if she associated heavy drinking symptoms, liver disease and the shakes, with Panx cancer and MS. Actual alcohol confusion mixed with inherent tendency to find excuses, we hear what we want sometimes.
@Clyde Barrow "Because God is not physical. Only the gods are thought to be physical and located."
Are you trying for your childish "God" vs "gods" GOTCHA again?
You God, by definition is a god... Stop trying to be clever, it's not working for you.....
Exactly, "I just knew" is very annoying and useless. I'd bet my left nut that she didn't research anyone but Jesus and then discounted anything that didn't feel true.
@Clyde Barrow There is neither evidence or reason on the side of your ridiculous fairy beliefs. More people believe in "the gods" than in "God," by the way. Polytheism is less logically problematic. Monotheism hs to deal with that pesky problem of Evil thing.
There is no such thing as "non-physical" existence, by the way. Anything that exists exists physically. There is no other way to exist. There is no other way to know anything but empirically. Every single thing you think you know about your sky fairy you learned empirically. You believe for no reason. You can't give one. You won't give one. You don't have one.
Obviously you have never lifted finger to check your own beliefs, but you should make the effort. You're a failure as a witness.
I don't why anyone would doubt Nikki's cool Christian conversion story. "I was totes a hardcore Jewish atheist who had an experience I'm not gonna share, but it was off the chain, and now I'm down with JC." I'm a big fan of vaguely-defined, poorly-presented conversion stories that sound less convincing than a
Kazakhstan timeshare pitch.
So "I just knew" isn't convincing to you either?
Don’t forget her research that she also couldn’t go into.
What I got from her call was when she said “I used to be an atheist and follow the scientific method”. Is that she became a theist once she dropped the scientific method. Which just leaves faith, incredulity, and fallacious arguments to determine what is real.
I’m so happy to see an ex-Muslim as a co-host. AP is patient, kind and understanding. His perspective will allow non-Muslims to learn more about what Muslims believe (through the Muslim apologetic callers). Though I am atheist, the anti-Muslim attitudes in the US is alarming. They’ve been portrayed as the boogeymen to hate and any type of “Othering” of anyone not white/Christian in the US needs to stop. I am hoping his kindness and understanding help dispel the rhetoric.
To be fair, I’m just as “anti-Muslim” as I am “anti-Christian”, in the sense that both religions maintain reductive, disgusting foundations. If I respect a Muslim or a Christian, I respect them despite their outdated, harmful, bizarre beliefs.
@@Mmmmilo It might be more accurate to say you’re anti-Islam, not anti-Muslim. Does that sound right?
@@Leith_Crowther yes and no. I’m anti-christian and anti-Christianity, just as I’m anti-Muslim and anti-islam. The religions are atrocious, and so are the proponents of those religions. And yes, this is a blanket statement, but I find anyone who supports tenets of religions that tell you to slay unbelievers or stone your children reprehensible.
I wholeheartedly agree as a German with anyone who realizes that Otherization needs to stop.
@@Leith_Crowther At the end of the day both are correct because everyone understands what is being said, and he has elaberated on what he meant.
AP's politeness is very funny sometimes. ("Thank you, Jacob.")
Nikki perfectly represents the average theist mindset in America. She reminds me of so many people I’ve known.
As one of the very few people who lives in Oregon that ISNT on drugs.. I gotta say she was probably on drugs
😅 Her call sounded kind of like the plot of a PureFlix movie?
@@rhyantrick8178 I was thinking alcohol, Pancreatic cancer and MS being her interpretation of Acute Liver Disease. However, drugs probably a better fit
She found Jesus yet she's keeping the experience to herself.. what a tease! How selfish can you be that you save the key to salvation to yourself? That's so anti-christian!
True, Just because the US Healthcare system is so bad, people just self diagnose lumps that go away and praise Jesus because seeking experts costs money they don't have. Just because medically unexplained happened, doesn't mean it is a miracle. Often those stories are quite warped because people listen so badly to what the the actual experts are saying about their diagnosis
Very glad Ben called in. I love that with AP the Show can elaborate in such topics.
And he is very eloquent and compassionate💙💙
Nikki- "you need to be humble, but by the way the creator of the universe cured my cancer while thousands of children died of starvation".
“I’ve been called transphobic”
What did you say?
“You tell me”
I wasn’t there. You were. What did you say that was followed by someone calling you transphobic?
“Well let me say….”
This guy had his feelings hurt because someone said something he felt was unfair. He’s going to claim that’s indicative of his persecution, even though he refuses to allow that line of reasoning for anyone else.
Imagine being so entitled the fact that other people exist bothers you. Tough shit. That’s the entirety of the online community. Especially in the US.
As AP said, what’s going on today?? Some of the callers are just out there with some wild propositions.
"I've been called racist but I'm mexican" 🙄
@@mayo8029 every race can be racist.
@@jameskelly3745 exactly
I honestly think people call in and say "I'm a big fan of yours!" in an attempt to soften the hosts, and im so very glad the host are seeing straight through that bs and still holding their feet to the fire! 🔥
Hopefully logic and reason finds them, and they become legit fans of the hosts and the show, and develop a legitimate understanding of the host's position.
my favourite indicators of an entertaining call are: early flashing of the atheist creds ("I used to be *SUCH* an atheist," mmmmph) and if the first thing they do in the call is get on their knees and start fellating the hosts ("I *LOVE* you guys! You've taught me *so much* about reason, argumentation and epistemology...")
AP and Matt is another good combo !
Loving AP's presence in the show 😊.
My mother was diagnosed with metastatic cancer from the lung which spread to other parts of her body. She had standard treatment which was usually not effective. For some
Reason the cancer went into remission. She does not believe in religion nor did anyone pray for her (that I know of). It’s just the luck of the draw and most others who had the same cancer at the same time are likely dead as the survival rate is so poor. Sounds like the caller accepted a religious explanation from her selective bias than just plain luck!
I seriously think Nikki was just straight up lying. Someone else here suggested she might have had problems with alcoholism that have abated since she's stopped drinking, and she's content to just call cirrhosis, the shakes, etc MS and pancreatic cancer because a lot of people don't treat medical terms correctly--based on people I've known that also seems very possible.
@@nameforcomments4092 that could also be true. She is lying to convert others to the faith or put doubts into peoples minds about moving away from being theists.
I am trying to understand why Jacob was praying when he was an atheist.
Why did he have "faith in the text"?
If I heard it correctly, he said, "I had a supernatural experience after I put faith in the text."
So he put faith in the text first. Why would an atheist put faith in the text?
On the CARM discussion boards once one of the moderators claimed that she saw a youtube video of an actual limb regeneration miracle. She went to obtain the link to post for all to see but...shocker...she couldn't find it. LOL
No doubt in something like a Amphibian or an Echinoderm, Alhamdulillah :)
I thought that was a bad example, anyway. It could be faked with a magic trick, CGI, etc. I'd need to witness it first hand, after having personally inspected the person's limbs beforehand. Even then, mistakes in my perception and memory would be far more likely than a human leg descending from the sky and attaching to an amputee.
AP - you are a refreshing host. Nice to listen to your respectful approach, without insulting people and calling them names.
I live in France and I watch every Monday your show with the same pleasure. Thank you Matt and your co-hosts for what you have been doing for so long to help us free ourselves from the insidious indoctrination that has formatted our ways of thinking and I take this opportunity to wish you a good recovery
"Do you have to curse me out?"
No, it's purely voluntary
@@ookeekthelibrarian Not everything fun 🙃is beneficial.
Didn't your mother tell you that?
By the way aren't you due to join
the worms and the dust soon?
I think Jaime might be talking about the effect of endorphins. The feeling people get in church (where ppl SAY it is the so called holy spirit), is exactly the same you get at concerts for example. This high / happy / connected feeling.
I studied world religions and college and there is something like the "Born gain" or "Holy Spirit" experience in just about every religion. It goes back to antiquity. The word "enthusiasm" is from the Greek *en theos* "God inside." It is common for people to think it is an indwelling of a spirit or of a deity. The descriptions are the same, ecstasy, even speaking in tongues. These are states which can be artificially induced through known techniques and those known techniques are frequently used by mega churches (they do a lot with light and sound and music. It's trivial to manipulate emotional states. The movies do it all the time).
No, you can't prove none of them are really under the influence of the Holy Spirit, or of Zeus or of Krishna or of the Earth Mother, but it's an experience which is commonly understood to be essentially the same emotional states with different cultural interpretations. That caller wasn't wrong. Sociologists of religion say the same thing. They teach it in college.
Looking forward to hearing jamie then as my support worker said she actually heard and audible voice which was gods voice. She was at at conference when she heard it. She also saw flames above peoples heads which was something to do with the holy spirit. Do I think she heard actually something audible that day or saw flames above peoples heads? No!, can I prove it? Obviously not. Part of me thinks she lying so it sounds like god is part of these events which she cant prove to anyone else. She knows I dont buy into any miracles that jesus supposedly did and that it's all nonsense to me as extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Yup. Same as a Mary Kay meeting/conference or for that matter Avon, Amway or any other multi-level marketing strategy. The name may change but the skill set remains the same. You can compare that to any 1% ‘r bike club or anything other club for that matter. Ya you 81, I’m talking about you...the ones who say they have no rules. I call BS because anyone who knows, absolutely realizes there are rules to abide by, hierarchy and systems in place to keep those deemed valuable elevated and those merely “useful” kept happy enough to continue to work for the “man”, whoever that may be. But the fact remains, it’s all the same system. A star for a job well done in order to continue your climb to “success”. Euphoria in exchange for an expectation of greatness. That’s some kind of politics.
Atheists are perfectly capable of feeling awe or euphoria. It's the same feeling.
@@scambammer6102 exactly my point
"If you want a better world, if you want justice...it's up to us to enact justice in this world...you need to work on it now, not hope that it happens in an afterlife. It is the pinnacle of procrastination and laziness and arrogance to hope an afterlife will fix this shit, you're not fixing now...". That is THE clip!
That was a great outro. When believers say "there couldn't have been another explanation" I like to ask what ones they considered and if they investigated them. I know they didn't and they know they didn't.
Jamie doesn't understand the emotions of joy and awe. As an Atheist I experience joy in many things..my granddaughters laugh, dancing, music, love, my football team winning.
I experience awe in nature...I live in in a beautiful country 🇨🇦 with majestic views, beautiful music, art, the performance of great artists and athletes, pictures of outer space.
Religion doesn't own these natural human emotions. And religions exploit these in humans for their own ends.
AP is a very good addition to the family.
As soon as they said that they were taking a call from Javier, i knew the call was going to involve trans people. Javier is absolutely obsessed with trans people, particularly trans women.
He's got the communication skills of a middle schooler, no wonder he's confusing clinical terms with colloquial terms for being a bigot.
Great job!!!! Keep up the great work!
"...some times they change back without any good reason". Well said Matt. Describes this episode very well. Great job guys. Keep up the "reasonable" work.
Every time l hear someone say “l used to be an atheist” l just roll my eyes…
Its a great opening line that sounds "authentic"and costs nothing,but i do know one thing for certain: i Was raised as a roman catholic and hated the musty olde cult instinctively from day one,and the historical facts of catholic genocide,pathological money grubbing popes,pay for penance sin "forgiveness", the Inquisition/s and the astonishing multitude of pedophile clergy hidden and protected by the catholic heirarchy pretty much hammered the coffin nails through my fear-based childish conditioned belief,compared to some theist pretending to having been an "athiest" i have the weight of actual experience on my scale of justice...
@@johnd.shultz7423l was Catholic once, lol.
I have PTSD from an accident, I am having a lot more hallucinations than I normally have had with it. The difference is I know they are produced by my condition. I see people walking into rooms when they are not, I saw someone pick up my car keys which they didnt. I dont question whether what I am seeing is real because it is not. It perturbs me sometimes. yes they look absolutely real but they are not. I dont get why anyone would trust their senses of something incredible rather than the obvious conclusion of the senses not being processed in a way that accurately reflects reality
“Adios your highness”… 🤣🤣🤣
*Nikki doesn't care about the Truth.*
It could get in the way of her testimony and create problems....
I enjoyed the co-host! I am sorry to see you get so frustrated Matt, but it does make me giggle just a tiny bit because I am right there with you. I know I do not have to say it but thank you for sticking up for us trans folk. I was a huge fan even before I realized consciously that I was trans. It was a good show, it seemed like more than the usual number of crazies though.
That caller should've just answered the questions honestly, instead of continuously playing the victim of "false claims" and repeatedly switching from transphobia to Islamophobia. At least twice, he suggested that he thinks that transphobia means "fear of trans people." But he kept saying that people have falsely called him a transphobe because "he doesn't like what trans people do."
If he didn't keep going all over the place, he could've learned a much better definition of "transphobia," he could've cited what specific behavior trans people engage in that he doesn't like, and they could've explored whether his reactions are reasonable (including whether he thinks that trans people should be denied any rights).
I get frustrated mostly when people just try to defend thier biases and use platitudes instead of using honest arguments.
Terry Pratchett on chess: "Vimes had never got on with any game more complex than darts. Chess in particular had always annoyed him. It was the dumb way the pawns went off and slaughtered their fellow pawns while the kings lounged about doing nothing that always got him; if only the pawns united, maybe talked the rooks round, the whole board could’ve been a republic in a dozen moves."
Jacob: Look at the Universe = look at the trees taken to it's ultimate form
LOL He said he was an atheist and the experience he had that brought him to christianity was studying and praying. LOL What was he doing praying if he was an atheist? LOL.
@@chrisccc22 I caught that too. Was he studying and praying to other gods to test for response. Highly doubtful.
@@miconis123 - On Talk Heathen yesterday, "look at the trees" was one-upped by "if we weren't intelligently designed, why aren't we rocks?"
@@loki2240 Wow..I would be speechless after that.
Nikki's call was as embarrassingly and hilariously evasive, dishonest and cowardly as any call I have heard on this show in recent memory.
Dishonesty is foundational to theism.
@Clyde Barrow Well, take for example abusing people in internet comments and not having the honesty to use your real name. There's a good one to start with 'Clyde'
@Clyde Barrow There you are Clyde. Whenever someone’s is being dishonest and yet is calling other people liars, it’s Clyde. It’s like a tradition now.
@Clyde Barrow LOL "Clyde" Just listen to every episode for the last decade. It's theists dodging questions and never offering one shred of evidence.
@Clyde Barrow “Prove dishonesty is foundational to theism.” Ever heard the term “lying for Jesus” Danny boy?
In perhaps one of the most notorious Christian deceptions of the 20th century, Peter Popoff’s televangelist ministry was exposed in 1986 by skeptic James Randi for using an earpiece to receive radio messages from his wife who was giving him the home addresses and ailments of audience members which he purported that he was receiving from God during his faith healing rallies.
Despite going bankrupt the very next year in 1987 as a result, Popoff has made more than a recovery. In 2005, he received more than $23 million dollars in “ministry” donations. Currently he is using a portion of those donations to purchase TV time to promote "Miracle Spring Water" on late-night infomercials and via postal letters. However, it turns out that this miracle spring water that he stated was from Southern Russia is actually being purchased at Costco, the supermarket megastore. And of course, these days, Popoff once again refers to himself as a prophet.
" No, he is your god and he is fictional." Classic Matt, love it
The Dillahun-timer cracks me up! 😂
Yayyy, invite AP more often 🙏🏼😊
Im so glad apostate prophet got to be on the show cuz its a bit different between islam and christianity. And he gave an awesome answer to john.
Matt’s “F*** you” is complimented really nicely by AP’s “Thank you for calling” 😅
Different astrological types for sure.
I totally agree!
LOVE AP cohosting with Matt... even more than Shannon with Matt! Excellent!
Committed atheist, scientific method...but a personal experience later and I "found" Jesus..... Right.
Yah, I was surprised they let her say all these obvious lies. Yah! I was just like you. Extremely sceptical, logical. Committed atheist.
Anthony: it is never reasonable to believe things without evidence.
Do unto others, is not a belief.
What "THINGS"?!
@@markmiller7317 of course it is.
@@markmiller7317 come on man you know exactly what I mean. Don't play word games.
@@ookeekthelibrarian bummer!😵
But Nikki LOVES the show & the AP channel, she LOVES the hosts and watches ALL the time - I don't think any of that is remotely true. Nikki is a confused & dishonest thesit.
Agreed. It all sounded like a priming for rhetoric.
Gotta grease the skids if one wants to influence people...
"I am not racist because I am Hispanic" is the worst argument I've ever heard. As if only white people can be racist...
A lot of people seem to hold that view nowadays. It's all about how you define "racist" I guess?
Nikki reminds me of the tactics used by every believer in my Hindu family. They advise me to "be humble and believe", without the slightest hint of irony. More deviously, when something bad happens to me, they feel compelled to tell me it's my lack of faith that caused it to happen. But if something good happens to me, well, they've been praying to their God on my behalf, you see.
That's very toxic. I'm very sorry they treat you that way.
And with this mind game in place they can Never be wrong...
Ap needs more experience at this. Kudos for diving in tho.
Wdym exactly?
it’s maybe because there wasn’t enough muslim callers once they roll in he will feel at home
When is trying to describe the reasons for your theism NOT an absolute train wreck?
I LOVE 💘THE WORD ASTRO. THEY
USED TO HAVE ASTRO POPS THEY
WERE YELLOW GREEN AND RED.
ALL IN ONE.
The absence of an afterlife, actually sounds very peaceful.
Nikki: i had cancer, then one day i woke up and didn't have cancer.
Bullshit.
Pretty sure there's a Hallmark Christmas movie with that plot 😂💯
@Clyde Barrow Nikki has to prove to us that she had cancer and that one day she woke up and din`t have cancer anymore.
Nikki has that burden of proof.
Are You asking Nikki to prove her claim ?
No one survives pancreatic cancer.
@Clyde Barrow she needs to prove it. My leprechauns cured my broken leg in 2 hours.
Dont give clyde the time of day. He ain't worth a second of your time.
As an ex Muslim, id love to have a chat with the Muslim skeptic from Sweden, I think it was John?. I don't think all of his questions or comments were fully addressed and it would be great to have a chat together because I know first hand how isolating life can be when you decide to leave Islam.
This is a really good point that religion has a very strong social aspect. By giving up religion you are giving up your social position.
@@bigm9228 that's right. So you might not even be a believer anymore but due to social pressures, you can't openly identify your theological position publicly
The critical thinking from a few callers is in this episode is lacking on an epic scale.
Nikki, i doubt you came from a jewish family nor do i believe you were ever an athiest. i think you made everything up.
Ex-muslims had to walk a hard road. Always glad to see AP here.👍
Anthony's thinking is far beyond the personal incredulity saturation point.
He’s ocean deep.
@Javier - something you said was really dumb. "I've been called racist, but I'm Hispanic."
Dude, you can be Hispanic and still be racist. Hell, I know quite a few racist ones.
In Latin America especially, the darker ones skin is and the less spanish/european ones genetic line appears to be the lower one is on the racial heirarchy....
I feel like in recent years we are stuck in assuming/asserting God without any evidence. It is basically: I believe in God because I don't like to think what I experienced.
It must be God because of cultural upbringing seems so lazy.
It is lazy but it is the reason aswell..
@@guytheincognito4186 yeah but personal experience is basically: I felt a thing or something is unexplained... therefore god
@@robinvan1983
Hence Lazy.
One would think a God would be worth more than a vague feeling that makes the vague feelings in starwars downright clairvoyant. Having a quick artificially induced shot of dopamine no different from what you have at a rock concerts and chiming "personal experience" therefore God, it Utterly Pathetic.
Glad to see AP ..
Another week another show and no one proves God. What a shock
I watched part of AP's debate with the Muslim philosophers that try to use a bogus definition of a "necessary being" and he did so well. He would not even let them get started with that. They were at a loss of how to debate back.
A Jewish Atheist who found Jesus?
No, a Jewish American Princess who loves drama.
"I got called a racist but I'm hispanic." This is what we have devolved to.
AP cracking up at Matt is simply hilarious. 😂
Regarding the hitler discussion at 1:29:33, hamza at hamza’s den declared that if hitler converted to Islam before dying then he would be forgiven so there’s no justice even if there’s an afterlife.
Morals = just don't be an arse hole. Its that easy!
@@ookeekthelibrarian Ken oath
I'm glad that AP was on this show. He is patient, intelligent, doesn't say the word "like" every half a dozen words and doesn't have an annoying laugh.
"Like" is my generation's fill-in word. What drives me up the wall is the current generation's trend to start every sentence with "I mean." You know who you are.
Too many irrational, ridiculous and rather infuriating callers!!! I actually feel sorry for Matt and Ridvan to be faced with such pointless and ludicrous calls....
Welcome to America!
It started at episode 1 more than 20 years ago.
Only In America
I was told today on twitter that I only have to see a sunrise and I see god! LMAO!
It feels like Javier's initial argument is a pedantic one. People like this think it's inappropriate to use the suffix "phobia" for anything that doesn't explicitly refer to an irrational fear of something. Since transphobia, Islamophobia, etc. are how we describe bigotry against those groups, they like to argue that they can't be transphobic because they don't technically "fear" them.
Funny thing is, I don't know anybody who uses this argument who isn't also incredibly, obviously guilty of the conventional use of the label they're trying to avoid.
Except his point in that words don't mean what they used to is accurate in that people label others these words when it is not applicable which is generally the case when they don't have a counter argument to the argument or points being made.
@@SuperGirl-tf2wn I disagree. There will always be people on the fringes of a movement that overuse some words but it's not the majority and people who complain about it are like people complaining about PC or "woke" culture. They're mad they can't say and do things that they used to.
And even if you were right, the guy who says "I'm not a transphobe" while heavily implying that all trans people are confused is not the guy to make that argument.
Miss the good ole days when callers at least were honest when attempting to explain their beliefs rather than the dodging, waffling, mental gymnastics, back-pedaling of recent callers.
Nobody ever notices that Hitler DEFINITELY got into evangelical "heaven" as long as he accepted jeebus into his heart, just before pulling the trigger...
Why wouldn't he get into heaven? According to what the Bible says, Hgod wanted Hitler to be the leader of Germany.
Romans 13:1-4 and 1Peter 2:13-14 Say be subject to every human institution. All authorities (laws and governments) are from God.
These passages also mean that if a government decides abortion is legal, it's because god wanted that government in power and wanted abortion to be legal.
Along with a multitude of pedophile catholic clergy who full well know the magic words and are going to be comfortably housed with the rest of the "redeemed" criminal x-sters...
55:12 🙄 not the "I used to be an atheist" line
So.....Nikki is one of the few who Jesus decided to heal of MS and pancreatic cancer. Got it, good for you Nikki. Why don't you now pray for God to heal all who have MS and cancer!
exactly it seems god only helps people in first world countries and not the starving children in third world countries
Pray Nikki pray for the 9 million children under 5 that die annually.
John-(SE) - Don't debate family - Just say you don't believe, and add the caveat that you are absolutely not interested in discussing the subject unless the preacher can find ways to reach common ground and compromise. Always put the ball in the court of the person who wants to play. The believer is the salesperson, just click "skip add" as soon as you get the chance.
Going by this episode alone one would get the feeling that theists are irrational people who don't think and Atheists are the opposite.... up your game, theists 😄
Don't hold your breath Sara :) Funny thing is, some theists claim that only "poor arguing" theists call in. I say to those theists, seize the opportunity.
@@williamswaney2615 yeah... its understandable that they don't have that good evidence for God... but in this episode I see that whatever they do have also they are not ready to reveal... for fear of being laughed at or something... then why call only...
@@williamswaney2615 "poor arguing theists " is there any other kind?
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Apparently not.
don't worry, most hosts were theists.... and there are enough atheists who believe in nonsense
On observation re AP - Matt asks a caller a specific, lucid question designed to hold him/her to account to keep the dialogue on track but then AP butts in to add his own comment so the caller doesn't answer the question. Matt is extremely on point with his questioning and each question but often the co-hosts chime in at the wrong moment. There really is no other host who comes close to Matt's reasoning and questioning.
I can never understand why theists start their call with how much they like atheist shows and their hosts. That doesn't make any sense.
They think the keen intellects of the hosts can be dulled by flattery. That is the first clue of how deluded they are.
@@Zachorazor1 Yes, that's probably it. they must think that by buttering them up theyre going to be more sympathetic to their view.
One time I ended up going to church for some reason (wife’s parents, long story), and after the service, the pastor mingled with the congregation. I told him, “I thought your sermon about Jesus was really incredible!” He said, “Thank you.” And I said, “Maybe you should look up that word.”
("I do not think that word means what you think that word means." -- Inigo Montoya)
Matt is great as always, and I really enjoy seeing Apostate as well. Great combo with a mixed bag of theist this episode.
I don't believe any of the people who say they had cancer and it just disappeared
How do you ‘commit’ to atheism? I must have missed that class.
"Adios your highness" lmfao🤣
@Nikki you are so dishonest. You should actually listen to what is being said and respond to what is being said rather than playing dodgeball with questions.
I wonder when Apostate Prophet has been dealing with these super goofy people as long as Matt has , will he still be patient or cuss them out like Matt.
I believe Nikki is lying.
"eating ice cream", that was the best
I researched and prayed to God and asked if he was real. I got an answer. He said, "No." LOL
I only have one leg, I'd be the guy for that test...