META Shifting Battle Rating Changes
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- In this War Thunder Video we go over the new April 2024 Battle rating changes for War Thunder. Many new meta changes will come to the game with the up tier of the Fox while also the M18 hellcat going up in BR to 6.0 Many more changes will most likely be coming to this list in the future.
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About: War Thunder is updating BR ratings for many vehicles in the game some of them are average some of them will impact the games meta very highly.
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0:00 Battle Rating Changes
0:27 Decrease BR of 8.0-9.0 Jet Aircraft
3:19 M18 BR increased to 6.0
5:50 BMP-1 IKV91 BR Increased to 8.0
7:03 Fox BR increased to 7.7
7:31 My BR suggestions
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Link to BR changes/Feedback page: forum.warthunder.com/t/planned-battle-rating-changes-for-april-2024/97071
Moving the hellcat up was a bad idea. Now the US can’t really slot it into the lineup; you could uptier some of your 5.7 vehicles in a 6.0 lineup but why would you want to use the 75 jumbo when the 76 jumbo is only at 6.3? It sucks tbh
I wish the 76 jumbo would be like 6.0 like the tiger-E
Don't worry eventually they just increas the 75 jumbo's br again... :D
Inb4 Gaijin raises the Easy 8, F4U-4B and Jumbo 75.
Gaijin: Problem solved! 😀
Why is it bad? It is a great vehicle that would do well at 6.3
@@heroeacemoon1672A Novel Idea but overall The Jumbo Seem’s to Be Vibing at 6.3 and even .7
The 75 on the other Hand…
I will die on the hill that the M18, Easy 8, and 75 jumbo should be at 5.3. The ONLY difference between the M4A2 and M4A3 is the latter having slightly more horsepower. The 75 jumbo can't pen anything 6.0 or higher frontally unless it's made of paper.
The M18 going up in BR makes zero sense, besides players being good with it. It's open top (so it dies to arty and CAS super easily), it can barely pen anything at 6.7 currently, so it's only saving grace truly is the speed/mobility.
now you answered why its going up its mobility is very good which means even though it has a crap gun anything from the side it can kill.
you can shred IS and t34 tanks with the jumbo what are you saying ?
@@DawgIVLife Soooo.... if a US vehicle is any good at anything at all, it must be uptiered....or nerfed to uselessness. Got it.
@@SmoggyFroggywell its not a panther/Tiger and ameicans "don't suffer"
@@SmoggyFroggy bunch of us tanks are overtiered tbh
Pro tip, don't defend the Gaijin lie that decompression results in fewer matches. Do you know what makes fewer matches? At all times in many BR going in a full uptier and that full uptier for tanks for example being the difference of late WWII to stabilized guns and behind cover missiles. Planes rapidly begin to suffer as the higher you go the more it is about energy fighting which later planes will always have the advantage of. Ships are arguably even worse as right out the gate you can have a small starter TB with a machine gun fighting stuff with small grade naval cannon.
If WT was a vacuum and player count was a finite fixed thing, sure decompression would be bad, but no it isn't a vacuum so it isn't a tough call or results in fewer matches. It is literally the most needed balancing aspect to the game and the golden goose that can see the player base actually boom outside of the still existing economy issues.
If it was a simple fix it would have been done already. Why has it not been done is that is the correct answer?
@@DawgIVLife Because gaijin doesn't want to fix anything, they need players to struggle a little bit so they would buy premium time and vehicles.
@@DawgIVLife To be fair, if the game was run by anyone other than the Snail, it would have been fixed already. Gaijin has no intention of fixing it. They want you to buy more premium stuff.....at least try and be objective and honest.
@@DawgIVLife Mucky_Muck and SmoggyFroggy already gave two good points, but since you replied how about a few extra just to pound it home!
Shell shatter, this is a super simple fix, impossibly simple, all they have to do is change the variable numbers they coded in on the percentage chance. It's an impossibly easy fix, takes several key strokes. Guess what? Still in, still super common for most folks to just face the smooth side armor of an up tiered Sig and watch round after round not over pen but simply harmlessly shatter off of that impossibly thick open top Panzer II casemate.
It's very easy for Gaijin to fix the SL and RP rates at a far faster and far higher quality rate than the route they did, it is called look at what the values where eight years ago, and copy paste those numbers in.
Oh hey how about public technical manuals that are legal for anyone to look at, of which many of the player base have shown looooong before the military leaks became a meme, only for Gaijin still to this day refuse to look at any of those AGAIN LEGAL AND OPEN SOURCES TO THE PUBLIC and implement fair and deserved changes to vehicles that would cement many better into their existing BR's or help them find a better home in a more deserving one.
The snail can't read, won't read, won't extend any work or effort for the smallest fix or issue no matter how simple it may be because Gaijin just doesn't care about the game being good, they care that they can sell Premiums.
Gaijin did you know is the publisher for a little known game called Enlisted. Did you know the steam launch for the free game Enlisted cost 20 usd per player just to play for those unwitting Steam players? Did you know that if you buy a skin for something on Enlisted, you gotta buy it for each soldier, for each squad, and then for each map pack?
It's the peak of laziness, and greed where every action is just to find the maximum effort in extracting the most cash in the short term and not the long term.
Problem is Gaijin doesn't know how to decompress and neither does most of the player base because both are equally full of dumbasses.
The players who keep saying raise the max BR to 13+ to balance the whole game are idiots who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about and haven't looked into what that would actually result in and what consequences would come from it.
Gaijin touching BRs is the worst possible thing they can do, for fucks sake look at this BR changes and the BR changes for the last 5 years. None of them have been good overall.
Matchmaking BR difference needs to be lowered to ±0.7BR or ±0.4BR that's how you balance the game as a whole instantly without fucking up BRs. Raising maximum BR should exclusively be reserved for decompressing high tier and for adding more and more modern equipment. Not balancing the rest of the game.
The playerbase is equally as stupid as Gaijin. You wouldn't believe how many people I saw that cried about how "OP" the M551(76) was to fight in their Tiger IIs and T-44s all because the only thing they know about it is that it is stabilized and they don't take into account the rest of the massive downsides it has. Same thing with people at 5.7 crying about the M18 being OP as they drive in their Panther and Tiger in scope view.
Anytime USA has something even remotely competitive it must be over-BR'd into irrelevancy. That is the current state of the majority of the tree and they've now killed off one of the last 2 remaining usable BRs USA had.
The M18 didn't need the nerf, the players utilizing the vehicles are smarter than majority of players at its BR, I've dropped 2 nukes with the m18 in full uptiers solely because german players were unable to deal with me due to its mobility. 6.0 is extremely pushing it because we have the T20 at the same BR now too. 76mm is more of a light tank gun now than a medium tank gun. The m18 just keeps going up since it started at 4.7 to 5.3 to 5.7 to 6.0 because of bad players and how users tend to be better.
I just want to point out that the 262 now faces the F-86A-5 and Mig 15Bis...
Me 262 should be 6.3 or 6.7
@@zer0asanumber 6.3 would be too low, but 6.7 is perfect to go with the 6.7 ground lineup too
it's shit like this that makes me wish the snail had any kind of refund policy. my "super" hellcat has been dogwater since the round got nerf. it's not fast enough to flank and it's not in any way shape nor form meant to be used as a front line tank.
fuck it, up to 6.7 it goes.
Then dont give them more money , this companies only listen with money involved.
@@Thakkii i got the hellcat years ago, i'm saying it's not worth the money
@@valhallasrevenge ah fair enough
With the recent buff hellcats go 80kmh what are you talking about
@@adanakebap2731these are the same people that blame Russian bias.
The fox going upto 7.7 is more of a buff then a nerf because it will see more squishy tanks, the M18's going to 6.0 makes no sense to me since all it's going for is it's mobility and maybe it's 76mm gun and the M64 going up to 6.0 also makes no sense because that is an inferior M18.
I regularly take the fox as my open rush tank for my 8.3 and 10.3 lineups and it still does fine
I’m sick of the justification for uptiering the US tree into oblivion because of the stabilizer. How many different ways can your gun traversal speed be affected? You take one non fatal hit and the only so called advantage you supposedly had is gone. Meanwhile the armor meta, German/Russia run around completely impervious to US guns unless they’re side on at 10 meters.
The M551(76) was actually semi-competitive, Germans spent too much time staring at it trying to figure out what the fuck it was rather than just point and clicking it anywhere and 1-shotting it.
I swear the amount of times I should've died but didn't because the guy that saw me stopped and stared at me for 3 seconds presumably trying to figure out where to shoot me, giving me the time to find his weak spot that I MUST shoot to MAYBE do enough damage that resulted in me surviving is unreal. Any other time I died I was shot anywhere with APHE.
The majority of US tree is over-br'd sub-par garbage and Gaijin is making sure "majority" becomes "entirety" and they're doing a good job. This set of changes is going to pretty much eradicate 2 of the last few decent BRs we had.
Fuck USA is the gaijin motto, and so is the rest of the retarded ass community that supports it because they have 0 idea how to balance a game or any clue what the hell they're talking about.
Literally most of my kills in the Sheridan are because of people not paying attention or not JUST SHOOTING me. In most of said cases the stabilizer wasn't needed, and in most cases I would've rather had a bulldog because it can actually survive shit and has better gun depression. Very few kills I got were on the move, and it would've stayed that way; because it doesn't have a lol-pen gun, you can't just shoot on the move because you MUST hit weak spots which is extremely hard to do while moving.
T20 is 6.3. The only other American vehicle at 6.0 is that Sherman m26 thing. Your only choice is to move your 5.7 lineup to 6.0 or move the m18 to 6.3. Absolute BS
We got another american uptier victim, Gaijin purposely doing them dirty like they did with T25, jumbo and pershing
The T25 and Pershing are so grossly overtired for absolutely no reason, while panthers are chilling at 5.7-6.0.
Honestly I find it absurd that the medium pershing sits at the same BR as the objectively better heavy pershings
In my opinion the Tam 2IP should be moved up, it‘s the same BR as the leopard A1A1 and better in every way, it has laser rangefinder, 400mm of penetration point blank and is fully stabilized all at a br of 9.0. or just move down the leo a1a1.
If they would fix the issue with the Tam 2IP where its very strong cause of volumetric it would not be as good as it currently is just randomly bounces shells that should have killed it.
@@DawgIVLifeyea 2 days ago i had a Tam 2 survive 4 3M7 atgms (IT-1)
3 atgms were side hits
Tam 2OP is just a 9.0 T34. :D Volumetric hell. It's a "how the fck i'am still alive?" meme generator.
Gaijin has a real thing for ruining USA lineups. Last BR changes the T20 and the M26 went to 6.3 and 6.7 respectively, effectively cucking their previous respective lineups. Prior to that they also removed 5.3's only semi-reliable answer to the Panther D, the M4A3E2. Now they are trying to move up all the M18s which would effectively destroy an already mediocre 5.7 USA lineup. Next thing I know they'll move the Tiger E/Panther A to 5.7 and bring up the M4A3E8 to 6.0.
If the whole reason why the Hellcats are moving to 6.0 is because of their incredible speed, then by all accounts 2S38 should be at least 11.3 minimum.
Maybe next time we should all just do incredibly bad in the Hellcat because that's the only way Gaijin can see fit to balance vehicles, which is to base them on performance rather than capability. It just makes ZERO sense that the M18s are going to 6.0.
Been working on spading the german BMP-1 recently, and I totally agree. It is such a limited vehicle there is no reason for it to go to 8.0
People would enjoy playing the game more if there was a higher top br and the decompression with that. I don't wait even a minute at any BR for a match.
You don't seem to understand that there are a huge amount of people playing the 7.7-9.7 bracket. I never had to wait more than 5 seconds to get a match. The issue now with the MiGs going down in BR is literally everyone else is now in utter pain. How the hell are people supposed to fight against a MiG in a bloody P-80 now ?
And you might be asking why didn't Gaijin implement these changes yet ? Quite simply, lazy arses that had always been tone deaf. They don't want to decompress the BRs because of the simple fact that it will cause them issues such as trying to reassign new BRs to vehicles and showing their utterly shoddy work. Yet, at least, we mid jet players can finally sigh a breath of relief.
Why are you buying into Gaijin's lies ? There are always players at 7.0+. The example you take here is invalid as everyone knows that 6.0-6.7 is always empty because why play these BRs if you can get straight to the jets ?
Spitefire Mk 24, Mig-9(l), Su-9 are all gonna suffer
@@reinyfrost3753most of them all the poor poor kikka it wasnt good before but god how they burchered it now
USA’s 5.7 lineup wasn’t overpowered in anyway… it has stabilisers sure, but no crazy armour, no crazy pen and no crazy CAS. Germany’s lineup is even better but it’s not being uptiered. I hate gaijin “decompressing” by compressing other BR’s
bro i just want my 9.3 germany lineup to not be constantly uptiered to feed TURMS premium players
Did their new road map say they were going to make bad br changes ?
How hard is it for them to get ww2 jets and late war props proper overlap
Did he just say he is surprised that the M4a3 76 did not get moved up
Yes look at the M4A3 76 vs the M4/T26 which one is better the M4A3 just because of the reload stabilizer. Am I saying it should go up no, but I am surprised it didn't
@DawgIVLife I mean, your right. But having a standard Sherman at 6.0 just seems horrible. Like I can see why the T20 was moved up. It has the mobility move around the map and make the 76 viable at 6.3. I just don't think a Sherman can pull that off
@@troyt49 m4a3 76 shouldnt even at 5.7 imo
The KV 1 e/b cant really go up,their gun just isnt enough ,88mm pen(best round) cant pen most vechicles it will face in uptiers (M6,Panther D (VK 3002 also very hard to pen),not to mention the Churchill Mk VII,which would be only .3 br higher
the KV 1s are in a weird place,theyre extremly strong in downtiers,but unusable in uptiers
they have weakspots(which are hard to hit when theyre being a menace tho)
as for vechicles idd like to see changed(I Play all nations,this is my observation) :
CONQ and CAERN To 7.3,both of these are extremly outclassed a 7.7 right now (better if conq gets historical ammo and stays at 7.7)
T44 85 to 6.3
IS 2 1943 to 6.0 and 1944 to 6.3
T55AM 1 to 9.0
76 jumbo to 6.0
M26 to 6.3
Spitfire MK 22 and 24 both down .3 br
Bf 109 K4 to 5.3
Tiger 2(P) to 6.3
R3 T20 to 5.3 (not that important tho)
KV 1S could go to 4.3(but its fine at 4.0)
Leo 1 could go to 7.7 (fine at 8.0)
T34 heavy to 7.0 (decompression needed here)
T32s .3 br down (both)
T54 1949 and 1951 to 7.7 (fine at 8.0 tho)
panther D to 5.7
PZ 4H to 4.0
IS 1 to 5.3
T34 85 zis 53 to 5.3(d5t to 5.0)
ISU 152 to 5.0
ASU 85 to 6.0
KV 1 zis 5 COULD go to 4.3 (but its more than fine at 4.7)
Every 76 sherman .3 br down (okay enough where they are because of their stabilizers)
lago I to 2.0
ZSU 57 to 7.3
Yak 3U to 6.0
P51 H to 6.7 (Depends on br of its equivalents)
Every 262 (besides JABO and A1 U4) 0.3 br down
(if you have more reccomendations please tell me)
sacrifice 2 vehicles to make the over all experience better for that BR bracket
I disagree about the T54s, Conqueror and Leopard.
ZSU-57-2 is not that good of an anti-air, although it's okay against tanks due to the 150mm pen APHE rounds. It should stay at 7.0.
I somewhat agree with the Me262 part. The Me262 C1A should still stay at 7.3, and the regular m4a1 (76W) should not go back down to 4.7. It's rival is the KV-85, and they are both good at 5.0. The M4A2 and M4A3 76 shermans should be at the same BR of 5.3 for how similar they are.
Besides the T34 and T54 (1951), I 100% agree
@@nicke5325 how come you disagree with the T54 and T34 ,i do somewhat understand the T54 but the T34?
Jeez the roland 1 and amx30 dca did nothing wrong and gaijin decided "hmm those two are broken let's move it's br up"
They even moved the Strela up AGAIN, like brother the thing doesn't even have a search radar and the majority of CAS are in the upper stratosphere at that BR and I gotta squint to see the little dot in the sky with the damn thing, right before I get GBU'd in spawn
Is the missile op? I've had people say it is but I have never played against them so I can't say for sure whether they're busted or not and deserve the BR upheaval again
Sweden already gets constant uptiers at 8.0 and now the IKV 91 also at 8.0 with a 90mm HEATFS its gonna be even more frustrating
What a shot in the begining holy
The ikv 91 didn’t need moved up
In more intrested in a lot of r-60 rockets getting changed to r-60m/r-60mk
The only thing that affects me is L-62 ANTI nerf, which I have mixed feelings about. On one hand, effectively a medium tank with zero reload APHE at 2.7 is OP as hell and does need to be nerfed, on the other Pvkv IV is an absolutely miserable addition to the lineup and Sav m/43 is basically a StuH downgrade, so this effectively translates into Strv m/41 and m/42EH nerfs as well, which is very uncalled for. I feel like devs should've moved Pvkv III from 3.3 to 3.0 here, it's not like it'd be unprecedented with Marder and SU-57 sitting there or even lower.
Aye did you really shoot down that aircraft?
Bruh they move the Sd.Kfz.234 up every br change it use to 2.7 now it’s gotta face 4.7 vehicles
if they change brs with k/d ratio, might as well die in every vehicle
They already did the old French 7.7 lineup dirty the last time they messed with the BR's because of this exact reason
Tbh m26 is ok at 6.7 I was still able too drop 3 nukes with it still
SABRES AND MIGS AT 8.0 WTF IS GOING ON
There could be a way to play tanks without interference from planes
More like the end of USA having any even remotely appropriately BR'd vehicles. M18s and M551(76) being killed off is basically the last of what was still good. Super hellcat always belonged at 5.7 and now it's a full 1.0 BR above where it belongs. Gaijin has no fucking clue how to balance a game and if they're trying to make 100% of the US tree over-br'd, they're doing a great job getting there and they don't have much left to go.
RIP USA 5.7 & 6.7.
How anyone thinks a standard US 76mm with no APDS belongs above 5.7 is mind boggling, and how they think what is basically an all around worse M36 belongs at 6.7 is also mind boggling.
How anyone thinks the M551(76) was OP and will be "fine" with a gun that is approaching useless already beyond 6.7 is also mind boggling. The gun was already bad when uptiered to 7.0, it's completely fucking useless beyond that even if it had its shitty HEAT.
The mig 15 being the same br as the 8.0 me262 is crazy 💀
That 262 can win a 1vs1 vs the Mig 15 bis
Time to take my super hell cat into 8.3-10.3 games
The reason noone plays superprops is mainly the ju288s (and repair costs admittedly)
If the ju288 was removed or whatever (im not saying it should be), the queue times would go down.
The repair costs for superprops are also unfair, they have jet tier repair costs but only prop tier multipliers.
If you have premium account repair cost is a completely non issue if you are F2P you still can turn off auto repair and get micro repair cost gains back.
@@DawgIVLife most people aren't free to play, the premium players are playing said f2gs and ju288s.
Also my ta152 takes 31 days to auto repair, and that's even though I have a high level repair crew.
If I'm playing that plane once every month, I can see how the German teams are always filled with ju288s.
I play this game a whole lot, and there are entire BR ranges that I (and a lot of other people) avoid entirely, because the matchmaker ruins it.
Like recently, after rushing through the entire US tech tree, in order to get the f104a (yes I know I'm the scum that i despise), I decided to stop grinding when I hit jets, because the su11 and all the premiums with missiles instantly fucked me up.
My first US jet was the f8f and just immediate missile spam, theres even a prem 8.0 German with missiles.
I immediately stopped playing and I won't until I get the squadron vehicle so I can just not play that BR, I did the same for Germany.
Now here's the problem, maybe Its just cause I have every server enabled, but I get like 5 second queue time at most, but it's these shitty tiers like 6.0 and early jets and stuff that get like 25 second queue times for me, and even then it's like 6-10 player game.
Most people prefer smaller ARB lobbies, I prefer bigger ones. So for most people that's fine but not for me.
Anyway what I'm trying to say is that if they fixed the issues at each BR, every BR would have players, plus like other commenters said, we would be recommending this game to more people.
I wouldn't recommend this game to my friends with the grind being as bad as it currently is.
Hell cat being 6.0 is simply progression to decompression. Stuff at 7.7 is being moved to 8.0 while yes it hurts my soul. It is necessary to decompression by raising brs. I just wish they did all vehicles at once the small tweaks from there
Confused on why the mig17as isnt going down to 8.7
has missiles reason why the F40 isn't going down
@@DawgIVLife okay but there are planes at 8.3 that can carry 4 missles
@@MiG21fanboy but those aircraft have pretty poor flight performance compared to a Mig 17 for example
@@DawgIVLife maybe, but i dont think the mig17as should fight 10.0-
Did I read that right? The nations getting br changes/changes: Italy, Japan, Germany, France, China, Sweden, Russia, Japan. So Israel and GB get ignored?
The fox went up in BR
Like with all BR changes, this is most likely not final
Dont touch the T18E2
still the ki 200 is at 8.7
Good thing bmp1 is at 8.0
I often play the german spz bmp1 and it demolishes every tank in its way, when u miss a shot with the cannon u can use the atgm
@@omaralhamzah5725 Though I dont have the BMP I know from playing the b1 bis that having 2 lethal weapons is very strong and I 100% agree with the BR change
the germon 9.7 mig23 needs downgraded to pree seaker planes or flayers/chaff added to it its currently a dead duck at its spot
The bmp1 seems fine at 7.7, just because the gun is garbage and the atgm isn’t great, also the T-34E STZ should not be moved up, it will become completely useless at 4.3 and will be more skipped over than it already is
Me 262 now fighting mig15…
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I Agree with The last M18 part
That’s Alot of Downranking
Can’t Agree with It
Hard atleast, if They’re 5.7 Upgraded I can Vibe but They’re pretty close to 6 to Justify
So Maybe 5.3 for The Easy Eight Definitely, but the M18 or… I Fairly Agree
But not The Hellcat, 5.7 to 6
It’s just Really Good to have but Making It 6 Ruin’s Americas Great 5.7 Lineup which I’m Presently Vibing at
It’s The Designed 5.7 Scout Light TD
It’s Your Only and Best Option for Speed and 76MM
The 6 Is Meaningless because I was gonna bring It up anyways
But Now It can’t go down to Where It Peacefully Belongs
Thanks Snail
The Jumbo should Be lower though, Constant Fights with Hordes of Real Heavies ain’t Fun
75’s Nice, It’s just not cutting It
76 Jumbos Seems to Be Good at 6.7 but if It’s caught in the crossfire of Compression again
6.3
All except 2 of these changes even seem useful….
M18 GMC at 6.0 ?? What a joke, what's next, M4A3E2 Jumbo from 5.7 up to 6.7?? BR 7.0-8.0 will soon be non-existent. Are we all supposed to play 6.7 lineup since it never changes? Tier 3 vehicles slowly becoming Tier 4, meanwhile the vehicles in Tier 4 stay where they are. Are you playing 5.7 Lineup and get constant full uptiers? It's only going to get worse, you can already rename the Preset from "5.7" to "soon to be 6.3".
Try being a French player last update.
@@NoSleepTill72 if you are playing a nation that is not USSR or Germany, be prepared to get treated like shit.
Should we be concerned by the dude on 1:12?
Why would I want the 90mm over the 76 mm? Because I would like to ACTUALLY pen something that I have been uptiered into with the Snails trash overtiering of all the US tanks...thats a start......haha And the snail thinks the M3 75 mil jumbo is supposed to take on Tigers and Panther hoards....yea, if it were 7 to one against the Germans like in reality, but 1 v1 these tank are taken to the cleaner by a half way competent player. US is called Sherman hell because it is UNPLAYABLE mid-tier because all the heavy tanks made to counter them are uptiered out of reach of fighting them and into the uptiered garage tiers, and the Sanil continues to do what they can to make it even worse. By the time you hit rank 3 in the Soviets or Germans you can pen everything g America has up to like 8.0 with EASY from anywhere on the map.....M26 made into a medium tank when it was a Heavy Tank that was built to take on Tigers, but in game it is a Medium, which only was redesignated LATER after the war when they had even better tanks, they do this with everything against the US...anything the Germans or Soviets have that is good, the American counter is taken to the cleaners by their an uptier or by nerfing....same thing with the first Bearcat, the changed the M3 guns to M2s....because of the BLATANT Russian bias...just more par for the REAM OUT THE US TECH TREE course from the Snail. At this point every single time there is a BR change it is just expected to see the US get the shaft as usual.
Is my 10.0 Russia line up safe? Yes? Whew…
If they moved the mig 15 and mig 17 down in br, then they need to move the me262 down in br too. There is no reason for it being 7.0 now that it will face sabres and migs. The me262 needs to be 6.3 or 6.7 it is a shit jet with shit guns that will get destroyed by p51 anyway.
The rocket booster me262's should also move down a tad in br.
If they move them down, than they will dominate as CAS. The anti air sucks for all most countries at those brs.
Move T32E1 to 7.3
I Rest My Case
There will be more nerfs to Usa 6.7-7.7 because the american tanks require higher skill level to be successful and the people who grinded ro those brs know the game much more than a german main who only geinded Germany. The winrate for 6.7-7.7 usa is like 70%.
The only people who play US tanks anymore are people who have above average skill, because the average player can't play that uptiered garbage.
@@SmoggyFroggy agreed. You really have know what you are doing to play good. Because unlike a tiger a Sherman can't take a shot and live to fire back.
more like meta-shitting
Oh boy, more BR changes for tanks that the snail considers "too good" because the people who play it are good...
Where have I seen this same bullshit been pulled? Oh wait, the French 7.7 lineup.
lol rip the fox
tbh its really not a nerf lot more MBTS but a lot less armor.
I mean the Fox could fit into anywhere between 2.7 and 10.0
@@theBoarSkinnersimmilar situation as bmp-2m
No matters what br itll still be amazing
No matter what br itll have no armour,
Accualy i fell Like a nad be would be 6.0-8.0 range because tanks there accualy have side armour
@@kleszczoros4885 BMP2M is a drastically more powerful machine but I understand the reference. Fox is basically a mini VBCi/Vilkas but I mean there's a lot of heavy tanks in its BR range where it can only take out tracks and barrel lol
The M18 should not be the same battle rating as a bulldog. Period.
Depends on which Bulldog the Chinese premium bulldog is only 5.3. The american bulldog is 6.3 and with the hellcat only going to 6.0 its not the same BR as the american bulldog. Its .3 lower
Noo m18 upteir but now i can play my m18 with that event plane with two giant missles as cas
Way to go. Now you moved the hellcat to a NON EXSISTANT LINEUP. The only other american vehicle at 6.0 is the sherman-pershing thing. Your only option is to move your 5.7 lineup to 6.0, or, move the hellcat to 6.3. Absolute BS.
Tell me this. Why is the Panther g at 6.0, but the crappy American t25 is 6.7? It makes ZERO sense. It just proves Gaijin will do anything to ruin a good American tank.
My personal opinion. The Easy eight sherman and Jumbo should be 5.3 again. With a very slim possibility of the m18 being 5.7.
Hahaha another terrible changes xDD M26 still at 6.7 xD and of course they don't move Tiger II H and Jagdtiger at 7.0 xD
M18 and Super Hellcat... Super Hellcat at 6.7 XDDD, remember kids, you can't be good player and play USA xD
M551(76) omg this thing is worse than Centurion Mk2 and still they move this thing at 7.0... because it's American xDDD
Ostwind moved at 3.3... this is one of the best german spaa, right next to it is Sd.Kfz.251/21 with 3x15mm with HE belt,
in general m16 with HE, then this thing should be moved at 3.7 or even 4.0.
Only good changes i see is moving BMP-1 at 8.0 and T-34 at 4.0.
Remember kids, snail hate USA, France and Japan.
How is the M551 76 worse over the cent mk.2. Cents are slow AF no matter model or BR and like all have no armor, roof shots on cents are easy 1 taps. Stuff is faster, and it gets scouting . Cent doesn't, so it's easy to get CAS or just SP in general, and it has speed.
Also, KT is easy to ammo front on with 185 pen or more, and jagdtiger is mid.
skill issue,honestly
I agree that Super Hellcat and M26 shouldn't be 6.7 (both are fine at 6.3) but I have no idea what you're talking about with everything else?
Cent Mk2 and M551(76) are both extremely good at their respective BRs, capable of penning nearly everything with ease and having full stabilisers very early on, the M551 arguably being a little bit better with having higher pen, really good mobility, a .50 cal MG + scouting (which is very busted on its own)
Realistically, everyone should've expected the M551 76 to go up. I'm surprised it didn't go higher, but I'm happy with it at 7.0. It's in line with the Cent Mk2 going up a while after its release and both are still very strong at those BRs.
@@Stelyns Centurion mk2 has armor, at 6.7 quite good armor, especially when you play against Tiger I and Panther, but it can also take a shot from Tiger II H and survive, i have a bit situations like Tiger II shot to me and do nothing. In addition, there is the amount of ammunition, being a good player who can do something, just over 20 bullets like in M556(76) is definitely not enough, especially since the main bullet is a sabot.
Centurion is just better and easier to play. In addition, Sheridan is simply made of paper, so literally anything can pen it, whether it's an airplane, spaa or even browning/dshk.
For me Sheridan is just meh, it's better to play M18 or some tree tank or buy a Super Hellcat, it would be better because of the 90mm gun with good ammunition and better mobility.
In addition, Sheridan has a fairly small earning multiplier.
Sheridan is not a tank that gives any fun in playing, unlike the Centurion or American tanks with a 90mm gun.
Honestly, I haven't even seen anyone with M556(76) to achieve really good results in battles, people do max 3-4 kills.
@@Lord_WUder Speed, awareness and positioning >>> armor
20 rounds just helps balance it out and if your aim isn't absolute crap it's not really an issue, even then you're fast enough to actually go restock. APDS is also not really an issue, if you wanna have the advantage of its high pen, the cost is having good aim and knowledge of components (Especially ammo racks with the recent kinetic projectile damage buff against ammo racks). You should have an easier time with this since you have speed and a full stabiliser on your side.
You can also just carry a few regular AP for side shots and lighter targets, plus you have a free 50 cal for any paper vehicles.
As for the Centurion's armor, it's decent if we're talking about the Cent 1 at 6.0, saving you from poor shots and enemies who don't know its huge weakspots (also APHE easily 1 shots it if it does pen the turret) but for the Cent 2 at 6.7 it's just ok at best, decent at long range in hull-down for sure. But if you're getting hit in a centurion you're making big mistakes and the armor is the absolute last thing you wanna rely on. Armor is kind of a cope imo, unless we're talking about the most well-protected heavies, it's usually just better to be faster.
Why is gajin so stupid and lazy with these br changes. It's rediculous. People use certain tanks because it requires skill or knowledge. Unlike German and Russian tanks where they are like, "heheh, shell no pen. I shoot big gun!"
The M18 honestly kinda sucked. It was just too vulnerable compared to the advantage in mobility.
Now with the mobility buff it it’s much easier to stay out of trouble, get in and out of positions.
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Moving hellcat up is a joke
They finally moved around the chinese spaa which is probably one of the only good changes lmao