CARBON FIBER ELECTRIC SKATEBOARD PERFORMANCE SHOWDOWN

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  • @da420burna
    @da420burna 2 года назад +2

    This definitely the best video out rn

  • @jondavey007
    @jondavey007 2 года назад +2

    I’ve been riding a 4wd mountain board for over a year now, love the speed and stability. Mine does 0-30 mph in just over 3 secs 😆

  • @derickpetit-blanc9165
    @derickpetit-blanc9165 2 года назад +3

    If I may ask, are you working on the Exway Atlas Pro? If possible in the future can you compare that with the Hadean Carbon once everything is released for the Atlas Pro?

    • @LongboardingKassel
      @LongboardingKassel 2 года назад

      Atlas pro is way better then the hadean. Its like to test a porsche with a gti

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +1

      derick- id love to have the atlas pro on the channel! lets hope!

  • @MrPhillipsTheChangeAgent
    @MrPhillipsTheChangeAgent 2 года назад +3

    The Acedeck 4wd has spoiled me. The torque power and acceleration are so impressive. Good video 🤟🤟🤟

    • @davidmagallanes6144
      @davidmagallanes6144 2 года назад

      What’s the range on the acedeck 4wd?

    • @PeopleDoingStuff
      @PeopleDoingStuff 2 года назад

      Acedeck is sweet and 2wd performs similar to the other boards for acceleration if you swapped the gear ratio and wheel size out to match the other 6's in this video. However the pricing is steep. 4wd is where it is at!

    • @pawelugowski
      @pawelugowski 2 года назад +1

      @@PeopleDoingStuff Acedesk has bigger battery (14s4p) than others - mostly 12s. So range should be better there. I'm looking something with minimum real range 50km, as I used to do some daily trips in that range :)

    • @PeopleDoingStuff
      @PeopleDoingStuff 2 года назад

      50km range is a sweet spot. I modified my lycaon trx so I can strap an external battery to the middle when I need more range. But it has an xt60 connector on the top side of the board now. Strap it, plug it, go. Now it is getting me around 70km range. When I want it pretty I pull the pack off. Just got my acedeck. Im fat so I think i will only get good range in 2wheel. Have not done a range test on it yet.

    • @pawelugowski
      @pawelugowski 2 года назад

      ​@@PeopleDoingStuff I really consider to buying Acedeck 2WD for range. For now I have Wowgo AT2 with external battery pack and I can do 75km in total (I have 3 batteries connected in parallel and can stack them on top) but usually I do setup with 50m range and I really enjoy that - it's just enough for me at the moment. I need change the board because in Wowgo, annoying thing is break - it's so weak and it can't be adjusted - so breaking from 42kmph to 0 takes some time, and I've already had few situations where I needed to jump out to save myself...

  • @MadDonJuan
    @MadDonJuan 2 года назад +1

    By far One of the best and most fun Video yet. You came along way Brotha, "Respect"

  • @daneb2484
    @daneb2484 Год назад +1

    I would like to know how that 2 wheel drive version would compare against all the others with 6" pneumatics and not 8". What are your thoughts?

  • @WorldwideDarts
    @WorldwideDarts 2 года назад +4

    All these boards are fast. I'm a bit older and just enjoy going for longer rides. I'm a range hog. The more the better

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +1

      then u will love the acedeck.. not crazy fsst, but can use the power in the higest mode if u want… mode 2 or 3 u will get greattt range

    • @WorldwideDarts
      @WorldwideDarts 2 года назад

      @@esk8unity Thanks. Any chance you guys will be reviewing the Lacroix Barrel in the future? I don't know how you do it, it's expensive enough for me to review darts all the time. Here you are comparing eboards. Keep it going 👍🏻

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад

      @@WorldwideDarts thanks bud! yep we ordered the barell the day it released. should be soon 👍🏼

    • @WorldwideDarts
      @WorldwideDarts 2 года назад +1

      @@esk8unity Awesome!!! Well I'm now subbed so I'll keep an eye out. Keep on killing it!

  • @gajdacsgergo8187
    @gajdacsgergo8187 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for the video, it helped me a lot to choose my next board :)

  • @Esk8Nomad
    @Esk8Nomad 2 года назад +2

    Tbh I am super super keen to make content on aceboard

    • @ajplant96
      @ajplant96 2 года назад +1

      Would be cool to get your thoughts on it compared to the bioboard actually

    • @Esk8Nomad
      @Esk8Nomad 2 года назад +2

      @@ajplant96 that would be a good video

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +1

      @@Esk8Nomad 👏🏼

  • @cjspyker
    @cjspyker 2 года назад +2

    I'm getting the Zeus

  • @Pattower
    @Pattower 2 года назад +3

    That Acedeck 2WD deserves a more potent ESC. I understand the company maneuver to use the same escx2 for the 4wd version but what an opportunity it would be to throw in a high output ESC to make use of all 14S of the battery.

    • @Rip9NinerRider
      @Rip9NinerRider 2 года назад +1

      Agreed but look at the Acedeck turning those big 8" wheels, it loses a little on the jump but runs almost everything down on the big end. I wonder how it would fair with a 6" or even a 7" tire? I would like to see someone open up the Acedeck and see if there is room for Flipsky 100A 6.6 ESC.

  • @TheDrCarlito
    @TheDrCarlito 8 месяцев назад

    For the same price.. Tynee explorer or B-one Hercules?? Specs, power, range.. 3500w, 726wh vs 1500w, 850wh. Pls help me choose 🙏

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  8 месяцев назад +1

      Well during this time of this video, tynee was with us but was terrible with power. Since then, they updated there esc. We later on did a review of that board. It’s on our channel with a link/discount code. Under $1000 is a no brainer. I personally love the b-one Titan x for a little more $. The Hercules I never tried but I’d rather spend a little more n get more performance n range with the Titan x. During this video I had a belt issue so it wasn’t really in the video. For a little more I still absolutely love the hadean. U will notice it has more power off the line (2wd) and definitely has wayy more features. I do love the throttle curve too. We are working on a newer hadean carbon video but that won’t be out until til a couple months. We do have links and discount codes in other evolve videos of ours ✅

  • @odysseyrider05
    @odysseyrider05 2 года назад +1

    Still trying to figure out how Scott's zeus pro beat a hurricane 🤔

  • @stephenhartley3292
    @stephenhartley3292 2 года назад +3

    Hi Fred, waited 10 weeks for my Hurricane had 1 ride then the ESC died, waited another month for the new ESC had one ride and now the charger seems to have died ☹️do you know of good alternative charger that you can recommend, I'm in New Zealand, takes time for stuff to get here 😆

    • @awakenbeast2124
      @awakenbeast2124 2 года назад

      Both my meepo chargers are garbage. Need the same advice.

  • @L3Bone20
    @L3Bone20 2 года назад +1

    U get the shehe ev polestar yet?

  • @MyWorldAsDylan
    @MyWorldAsDylan 2 года назад

    FAN BOOOOOYYY!!! hahaa JK buddy. True. But came over honest if you explain why. That's the difference and the attitude. Great comparison. Still don't know which one to get xD! True about the bushings as well. Depends on weight and ride preference. And the features of the Hadean. All i want is the cell diagnostics. THAT is gold! Knowing how your cells are acting.

  • @AdamAdam-ej3vk
    @AdamAdam-ej3vk Год назад

    Hello. I want to buy an acedeck x1 4wd board. If I want to turn off the engines from 4wd to 2wd, just click the change in the remote control? is there anything else to do? is it a quick procedure?
    How fast does this board actually go? If anyone has tested it, please let me know what weight it was.
    Same question with scope. Has anyone tested the range on AT wheels?

  • @pokemonster8328
    @pokemonster8328 2 года назад

    Evolve and BajaBoard are the only two companies I know that make there own remotes. It really does make a difference and why there more pricey.

    • @bandit_urbex
      @bandit_urbex Год назад +1

      Doesn’t meepo make there own remotes to

    • @pokemonster8328
      @pokemonster8328 Год назад +1

      @@bandit_urbex looking into it they do but it's extremely similar to flipsky remotes. Evolve remotes stand out to be because they have a individual trigger up top to break. They have a great feel to them but there older remotes are as fragile as an egg lol. Bajaboard remotes are my favorite as you can go into the settings and set the breaks, acceleration, power percentage and more. I will be making a video in a couple months about my bajaboard and I will be showing the remote settings. It gives you so much flexibility to dial in on making the board feel the way you want it to instead of trying to deal with jerkey acceleration or hard breaks.

  • @esk8nyc
    @esk8nyc 2 года назад +1

    Awesome video bro 🔥😎

    • @mitchy767
      @mitchy767 2 года назад

      Your a great rider man👍🏻❤️

    • @esk8nyc
      @esk8nyc 2 года назад +1

      @@mitchy767 appreciate it 😎 Esk8 Unity is definitely the best carver tho

  • @teddy_123.
    @teddy_123. 2 года назад +1

    Yoooo

  • @vinity5202
    @vinity5202 2 года назад +2

    Honestly we are at a point where more torque and power on boards is diminishing returns on price and comfort, especially for those not used to a stupidly powerful torquey start. I hope we start seeing more things like the hadean and zeus but lighter and thinner.

    • @ajplant96
      @ajplant96 2 года назад

      Battery tech seems to be the limiting factor for now, really we’re just waiting on the cells to start shrinking while increasing in performance.

  • @2424jhg
    @2424jhg 2 года назад +3

    Great job!! It would be cool to find a route that you could time these boards and keep a chart with times and 0-whatever speeds along with top speeds and hill climbing speeds. But I know that would take a lot of time. Maybe one day we will have this kind of input. Thx for your time on this. These are my favorite kind of videos.

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +1

      thank u for your appreciation 🙏🏼

  • @da420burna
    @da420burna 2 года назад +3

    Man this is still one of the best videos out. Great job on this one.

  • @MilosSrb420
    @MilosSrb420 2 года назад +2

    Can’t wait till the new gen of eskates, couldn’t be happier with my meepo until the new ones come out tho

  • @jb_terahertz
    @jb_terahertz 2 года назад +2

    Another home run!! Now same video with street wheels 😍🤩😄🙌

  • @TraxxasJr
    @TraxxasJr 2 года назад +3

    No eovan?

  • @ajplant96
    @ajplant96 2 года назад +3

    Not surprising the acedeck 4wd beat 2wd boutique boards. This thing with 2in1 production boards being all about startup acceleration lately probably plays a part too. Vesc is setup standard without an aggressive acceleration curve, up to the user to set it up how they like it but generally they’re more about power than startup torque.

    • @esk8nyc
      @esk8nyc 2 года назад +1

      Production boards keep on gettin better and better

    • @ajplant96
      @ajplant96 2 года назад +2

      @@esk8nyc Absolutely! If it was released 6 months earlier I would’ve bought a hadean rather than going DIY, now it’d be tough to choose as there’s so many more options matching or surpassing it in one way or another.

  • @陆小喵
    @陆小喵 2 года назад +2

    Try to change the wheel of the same diameter again.

  • @popsiclestick8405
    @popsiclestick8405 2 года назад +1

    i dnt understand why some of these boards dnt have built in lights on them u have to buy them separately which sucks thats why i have bought the ecomobl et board its more durable then these boards and has built n lights on them and i never had a problem with it since last year i bought it its a very strong durable board

  • @checkthisout09
    @checkthisout09 Год назад +1

    What are the main differences between carbon and bamboo boards?

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  Год назад

      the build of the material. and the way tjey feel when riding. bamboo has flex for more rebound and carve. carbon fiber has more resistance and stability at higher speeds

  • @davidheath2427
    @davidheath2427 2 года назад +3

    Those 8'' tyres will slow the ace deck down a bit . What happened to the b one . That was the one I was watching for .

    • @Jack.Hyman1
      @Jack.Hyman1 2 года назад +1

      The belts were sliding because of the sudden torque and disabled it I’m assuming

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +1

      @@Jack.Hyman1 correct and it made them frey. so i didnt have any extra belts on me.. but the b-one is basically the same performance as the zeus but more range than the p42.. ya id love to try the ace deck with 6.5 and streets sometime

    • @davidheath2427
      @davidheath2427 2 года назад

      @@esk8unity is the B one as good in the quality department as the ownboard

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +2

      @@davidheath2427 yes sir. i just had a bad luck belt.. the zeus and the b-one X i probably ride the most out of all these boards. 🤙🏼

    • @davidheath2427
      @davidheath2427 2 года назад +1

      @@esk8unity thank you . Love your work .

  • @FaizanMohsin
    @FaizanMohsin 2 года назад +3

    Please do a Lacroix Barrel review!

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад

      soon! 👌🏼🔥💯

  • @splashartcrew2257
    @splashartcrew2257 2 года назад +1

    Nice video thx, very interesting, keep it up.. I'm also interested in Ares' 115 Rubber

  • @bogdanchaban
    @bogdanchaban Год назад +1

    Hey those riptide bushings you said woke up the ace board are they they Krank street barrel bushing? 0.5”? I’m looking to get the 2wd ace board and want to get the same ones you liked

  • @esk8ooligan
    @esk8ooligan 2 года назад +1

    Unity…great lineup! And, as always, great vid. I agree with you on the middle of the line boards. LOVE my Zeus OG and Pro…do like my Hurricane (new battery arrives today), but I would liked to have seen you include the Eovan GTS Carbon Super. I do like that board too. I saw you had the CaliRides Turn 8 105s…thoughts? Thinking of picking up a set. Great job on the vid. Appreciate your work.

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад

      thanks bud! yea the titan x and the zeus pro i ride the most outa all these. i didnt like the eovan or there customer service so i got rid of it. the cali rides i made a video! check it out… i have a discount code for the OG Boosted wheels. not the cali rides tho

  • @TraxxasJr
    @TraxxasJr 2 года назад +18

    It’s insane how my Meepo Hurricane board that only costed me $1280 is keeping up or beating these other boards that cost $1500-$1600+

    • @esk8nyc
      @esk8nyc 2 года назад +2

      One of my favorite boards 🔥🔥🔥

    • @scottharvey9764
      @scottharvey9764 2 года назад +3

      in the UK at release there was a £900 ($1200) price gap between the Meepo & Evolve carbon. no matter how good customer service no way i could justify such a gap concidering there so close in performance. Love my Hurricane just needs better bushings from stock

    • @richyberdichosky9280
      @richyberdichosky9280 2 года назад +2

      100%

    • @wolfgangp.muller7823
      @wolfgangp.muller7823 2 года назад +2

      You know you spent atleast another $200.00 on new wheels & if you don't have the upgraded truck components you may end up with some unforseen medical bills.

    • @TraxxasJr
      @TraxxasJr 2 года назад

      @@wolfgangp.muller7823 what’s wrong with the trucks?

  • @savavukovic2907
    @savavukovic2907 Год назад +1

    Dude these boards are sick!! Which one got the best range though?

  • @djchucknorris
    @djchucknorris 2 года назад +2

    Install street wheels on acedeck.

  • @dylanhagsauce8629
    @dylanhagsauce8629 2 года назад +1

    I bet If you learned Chinese you would get so many more views hahaha it would be hilarious seeing you shift from English to Chinese!

    • @esk8nyc
      @esk8nyc 2 года назад +1

      Subtitles possibly?

  • @TheAegisClaw
    @TheAegisClaw Год назад +1

    I wonder how the new 2023 Acedeck X1 would compare? Its only available in 2wd but had a much higher output ESC they say. It was already impressive on those much bigger tyres than the other boards.

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  Год назад +1

      agreed! we have it too. just healing up my injury first 🤘🏼

  • @pawelugowski
    @pawelugowski 2 года назад +1

    Meepo seems really impressive for torque, but what about real range of all of that boards? Any of them can hit 50km of real range?

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад

      watch my other vs video when the hurricane first came out.. vs zeus and hadean.. i also have zeus and titan x range test videos

  • @cbillings6
    @cbillings6 2 года назад +2

    Nice comparisons. How is the carbon hadean vs the bamboo hadean? I already own the OG Zeus and Torqueboards Street board but the Bamboo Hadean keeps calling me haha.

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +3

      i HIGHLY suggest the bamboo hadean. NOTHING like it. other than the new tynee explorer, but i highly doubt it has the same performance. Im tryin to get it on the channel..

    • @cbillings6
      @cbillings6 2 года назад +1

      @@esk8unity I was afraid you were going to say that. You're costing me more money!! Haha. Thanks for the info. Hope you're able to get the Tynee Explorer on the channel.

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +2

      @@cbillings6 definitely $$$. however when u finally get a product that u absolutely LOVE, it feels good knowing ur $ went to lotssss of fun.. thats why i always talk about “value” instead of pricing and a spec sheet

    • @milos_radjenovic
      @milos_radjenovic 2 года назад +1

      @@esk8unity I should be getting the explorer soon (hopefully by the end of the month). From the reviews I've seen so far, it seems like it's delivering in every aspect except speed. But it seems still fast enough, just not competitive with these carbon performance boards. Would really love to see your review too, any idea when you might be getting one?

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад

      @@milos_radjenovic been trying. they dont seem to interested in working with us 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @nicholassechaud
    @nicholassechaud 2 года назад +1

    Nice one! Thank you

  • @tiagofpbrandao
    @tiagofpbrandao 2 года назад +1

    I just ordered the ares 2wd and after watching this video it looks like the less performant of all these boards. I'm a bit disappointed 😭

    • @ajplant96
      @ajplant96 2 года назад +1

      It’s low on the motor amps side despite higher voltage, probably worth changing to 6 or 7 inch tires with the stock gearing if top speed isn’t too important to you, would make up some torque.

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +2

      it still has plentyyyyy of power… and like he mentioned above, smaller tires will help. but it also did better at higher speeds/10mph pull..

    • @tiagofpbrandao
      @tiagofpbrandao 2 года назад

      @@esk8unity any thoughts on the 115mm rubber wheels that come on the premium kit? Any idea how they handle rough roads or cobblestone?

  • @ALTRON3
    @ALTRON3 2 года назад +1

    Ace video
    Is there a discount code for evolve??

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад

      yes. with onestopboardshop.com (certified evolve usa retail store) Fredsave50 off a new board. and fredsave discount code for evolve accessories

  • @lycafoxx3340
    @lycafoxx3340 2 года назад +1

    The need the option for ace deck to come with just the street wheels , don’t hate AT but I prefer street wheels

    • @esk8nyc
      @esk8nyc 2 года назад

      They have a Rubber wheel kit so far

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +1

      if u watch my content, you know i LOVE street.. i’ll definitely get to it 👌🏼

  • @xTschulianx
    @xTschulianx 2 года назад +1

    would be nice to have Onsra also tested! may next time?

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад

      when the onsra black carve 3 shows, absolutely:: the 2 cannot compete. it was made wayy before these boards

  • @poke_champ
    @poke_champ Год назад

    your wieghts also make a difference. I love this video though its great for people who are shopping around for a new board

  • @Christopher-xy3bl
    @Christopher-xy3bl Год назад

    The 4WD makes such a difference. Jeeesh! 🤯

  • @CitySurfa
    @CitySurfa 2 года назад

    💯🙌🏼

  • @mitchy767
    @mitchy767 2 года назад +3

    Great vid I’ve been wanting someone to make this for ages❤️😁

  • @teamalexfam170
    @teamalexfam170 2 года назад +1

    Anyone that says the hadean is overpriced hasn't ridden the hadean the controller alone is worth 500 bucks in my opinion its awesome as shit I used to shit on evolve too then I tried one and the next day I placed the order for mine and I didn't even need it I already had 3 meepos and 2 lycaons that work fine but that hadean is just awesome. Worth every penny not to mention I got it 3 days after I ordered it, my trx 2.0 took 4 months to get to me. You get what you pay for people.

  • @andresm3537
    @andresm3537 2 года назад +2

    Hi bro, great review.. however ur reviews always leave me like confuse maybe it is just me that want them all 🤣.. Are U think of getting the new metroboard ? I would love to see that .. all the best

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад

      hey man! i 100% understand where ur comin from. soooo many options lol.. its funny u bring up the metroboard. because im editing the boundmotor flash video right now and talking ab the metroboard X as well.. iv ridden the new x22 at esk8con and it was very nice and impressive. but not there price point. HOWEVER, im told from then, from now, they are improving it even more. so we will see!

  • @optimustait
    @optimustait 2 года назад +2

    feel i‘m the only one but i still think the hurricane has the sexiest shape. it would be my top choice if it wasn‘t so thick and too low clearance on street wheels so i guess i‘ll be looking at acedeck 2wd or zeus pro

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +2

      i agree… and between all 3 , u cant make a bad decision

    • @optimustait
      @optimustait 2 года назад

      @@esk8unity are the acedeck motors louder than others? i already have a diy board with screaming motors (which i absolutely love, sounds like a jet taking off) but am looking for a stealthier ride for my 2nd board..

    • @AdamAdam-ej3vk
      @AdamAdam-ej3vk Год назад

      @@esk8unity ​ Gentlemen, what maximum speeds and range did you do on ares 4wd and 2wd?

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  Год назад

      @@AdamAdam-ej3vk there are reviews of 2wd with that info on our channel and the 4wd info on nyc channel

  • @Audfile
    @Audfile 2 года назад +1

    Don't even have to kick anymore. Kinda sad. I'll wait for the robot backpack that mountain climbs for you.

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +2

      why is it sad? id rather carve, dance, slide and cruise without the hard work of kicking. however, nothing is stopping ya from kickpushing on any board. electric or not

  • @LongboardingKassel
    @LongboardingKassel 2 года назад

    The Hadean is just garbage for this price. Its in the price range of botique boards and plays in the categorie of 1500$ boards.

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад

      what botique board is $2450? the kaly 2.0 is 400 more with less range, less power, no 2 in 1 and wayyyy less features.. the lacroix barrel remains to be seen.. all other lacroix, bio, kaly & boardX boards are much more $$

    • @LongboardingKassel
      @LongboardingKassel 2 года назад

      @@esk8unity The 2 in 1 costs 2748 € here in europe for 3500€ you can get a bioboard plutonium. I agree to you that the hadean has some functions other boards have not. But the price difference is too heavy in my opinion.

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад

      @@LongboardingKassel but thats still not the same price lol. u added 2 in 1 for evolve but not for bio? lol.. i personally think the bio boards are extremely big. nothing like a longboard feeling.. if everyone enjoyed them and liked the value it provides, most ppl would be riding them.. but in america, the hadean is $2450.. a bio board is $3500… if u wanna add 2 in 1, they BOTH go up in pricing making it a wash..also, bio board adds on $550 for usa shipping . evolve has over 8 country shipping centers. also, the range isn’t drastically different

    • @LongboardingKassel
      @LongboardingKassel 2 года назад

      @@esk8unity Okey you re right with your point, what I m trying to say is that you get less value per $ if you are getting the hadean. The BB is 1000$ more but doubles the stats. The Hurricane is 1000$ cheaper and has nearly the same stats.
      I really wanna test out the hadean but for this price I never ever buy it.

    • @esk8unity
      @esk8unity  2 года назад +3

      @@LongboardingKassel see thats where ur wrong. its not double the stats. it doesnt get double the range. doesnt do double the speed. i doubt it has double the power. (its been a while since i rode one). there battery is a 12s8p. nothing crazy (i dont need more than a 12s4p anyway).. and i also value smaller sizes, usa customer service, its power, its smooth esc, its range, and all the retailers/service centers they have in the usa alone. we can agree to disagree about the “value”. but it for sure isnt double for $1000 more. and yes, u need to ride the hadean. i learned to NEVER judge a board by its price and spec sheet. ppl make fun if “lishen” cells, yet has a fantastic middle ground of power, range and basically zero lag. cant speak the same for some “molicel”