“Then came the gadgeteer, otherwise known as the sporting-goods dealer. He has draped the American outdoorsman with an infinity of contraptions, all offered as aids to self-reliance, hardihood, woodcraft, or marksmanship, but too often functioning as substitutes for them. Gadgets fill the pockets, they dangle from neck and belt. The overflow fills the auto-trunk and also the trailer. Each item of outdoor equipment grows lighter and often better, but the aggregate poundage becomes tonnage.“ -Aldo Leopold
@@CliffGray Aldo Leopold's writings are full of wisdom. This was the first video on your channel I've come across and I enjoy your content a lot. Currently running through them as I pack for 3rd rifle deer/elk season in Colorado.
@@CliffGray Hey Cliff, first I really enjoy your content and respect what you say. With that said, whats your opinion on the Burris Eliminator line of scopes as far as simplicity and ease of use.
You just earned my respect for having the balls to say this... something 99% of people in the industry dont have. I never dreamed id see anyone in hunting media even say this.
During my time in the Marine Corps, we had our share of "those guys" who had to have the most high speed low drag brand new gear, and had shit hanging from every single loop on their flak jacket or day pack... the term we used for them is "gear queer". They bought it because it looked cool or made them look cool. I've killed deer, elk, and pronghorn in both camo, and in a t-shirt, jeans and Ariat boots. I went through the gear queer phase early on because I thought it would make me a better hunter. I did the prostaff thing too, slinging cheap products because I got them for 10 or 20 percent off... not because they worked. And I honestly never killed anything using them. It comes down to essential vs nonessential for me. Weapon, optics, food, water, a small possibles bag with some emergency items and fire starting kit, and a pack. I stay light and mobile. As for camo, I've snuck in on deer in flip flops and shorts so... lol. Over the years I've come to realize the hunting industry is much like the fishing lure industry- they're not meant to catch fish, they're meant to catch fishermen. The best piece of gear the hunter can have rests inside their cranium. Knowing the game and being confident in their shooting will kill more game than a flashy new Sitka jacket ever will.
Couldnt have said it better myself. Glad someone like Cliff has the balls to come out and say this...its basically career suicide....which is unfortunate. Commercialism has almost ruined hunting. But hey, at least Rinella got a million dollars and had his fun huh
Coming down with throat cancer caused me to lose over one hundred pounds. Problem is or was, my camo hunting clothes are way too big! I’ve decided to spend the money for what works. That is what I see other successful hunters using. Yes, I beat the cancer and am planning big time hunting trips with my boys, maybe even Africa! I’m hoping I don’t intimidate them because I’m retired with plenty of money while they are raising families. Good advise Cliff, thanks for your effort.
this is 100% why i really enjoy your content. as a fairly inexperienced hunter (compared to some others) i get a real problem with gear goggles trying to keep up with the pack. i watch youtube videos for tips on how to become better at the sport and it does feel like a lot of these videos spend a lot of time selling you on gear that i frankly just cant afford, just ask my wife she’ll tell ya. i appreciate the honest nature of your tips about substance the substance of the hunt for the average enthusiast instead of feeling like i’m watching commercials intended for only the richest hunters. thanx man! by far my favourite youtube hunting channel,
Love it. The problem I run into is I find something I really like, use it till it's a shambles and when I go to replace it. The replacement stuff is changed and usually for the worse.
For big game hunting, you truly only need rifle, binoculars, a knife, boots, a pack and warm close. Been hunting mule deer since I was a kid and that’s all I’ve ever needed. I use an old pack and backpack from the 70s (born in the 90s) and it’s been great. If you like minimalist camp set up, I recommend a Canvas Cutter. It’s a waterproof cowboy bedroll and it works great. (Although, very expensive). Bring a cooler for food and water and YOURE SET. Being a skilled hunter and knowing the land is by far the most important.
Great philosophy on the gear. I have always been an outdoor enthusiast. Hunter, backpacker, mountaineer. A tent/ hammock/ rolled up in a tarp on the ground kind of camper. As I'm getting a little more experienced, I've found the ground is a little harder and colder than it was forty years ago when I was 20. There is not much gear that is essential to a successful hunt. The native American hunters had skills rather than equipment. Bow, arrows, knife, ability to build fires etc. .
I really appreciate your content! I am going on my first western mule deer and elk hunt this year. There is so much gear to get and especially someone like me who is building a kit it’s so easy to focus just on the gear and neglect actually using the gear. I don’t have a endless income and seeing the cost of some of the gear was shocking. Very thankful for secondhand gear and some non hunting brand budget options out there for clothing etc. Keep up the awesome content…I am learning a ton from your channel.
Sounds like you have a good approach… tons of good used stuff out there. A lot of it ends up being essentially new! Good luck this Fall.. I love hearing that the videos have been useful.
be practical. kings camo/ mossy/ realtree can be a quarter of the price and just as good in the mountains. I have been a western hunter my whole life. I often wear jeans, a long sleeve and an orange vest.
My experience is that good boots are #1 on the importance list of thing that don't go BOOM. It cannot be overstated what a difference maker a good set of boots built for the mountains can be.
@@Toms2ATime I kept hearing the same thing and ended up finding a used pair of salewa rapace for a third of the price in great shape. So far so good with those!
You don't even need GTX boots like Crispi's or any of that.... You'll see once your out there - there will be guys wearing blue jeans & tennis shoes..!!!!! But,,, trekking boots with a heel brake are nice for the loose terrain...
I learned this years ago a friend bought all "state of the art " Gear and went on an elk hunt with me.....I had 5 year old wal mart camo pants....a shirt with blood on the sleeves and on the vest I was wearing.....He spent a lot of money and ate a tag that year....and has never went back...that was 2012..... I am like 8 animals in my 8 years now because like you said...ass time in the woods is more important than a bass pro card... Get there early if you are coming from a long ways away...I try to have at least 3 days....1 to get my oxygen right and drive around looking for new areas....Then I spend thrusday and friday with glass in my hands....I guarantee yall what Cliff is saying about gear is true... and make sure you know how to use your spotter and binos....before you go....I live in texas and will watch cows coyotes and pigs with my glass.....and if you like to eat...(youre fat) start walking NOW..... You don't want to try to go into a reduced oxygen situation carrying an extra 60lbs on your back and not be able to walk because you neglected your most important piece of gear...you
I was talking to a guy at an archery stuff as I get up for my first bow season. He saved me a lot of money by telling me I DIDNT need illuminated nocks or a name brand sling. I appreciate that level of honesty.
I’ve found information makes me stop buying or even looking at new gear. Learning the principles behind what is driving a purchase can then fulfill my reasoning for buying something. Otherwise if there’s no real reasoning you’re just looking for new shit just for the sake of being new. It seems like educating is becoming a newer trend which is really the answer we need. Appreciate all your info and time you put into your videos
Brother so true on the gear. My Dad went to the woods with his rifle, smokes and coffee and harvested plenty of game over the years. Great video. Thank you
Great video! Couple of extra tips - after the season I evaluate what gear/lack of gear “cost” me an opportunity and I prioritize that. I also buy gear/ammo in late winter/spring (not last minute) so that I know I’ll have it for the season and most importantly - test it in the field!
I live in the east. I hunt at least 6 weeks or more a year in the east and west. I'm a carpenter. I live modestly. Here's the way I look at gear and the cost of living. I've hunted 33 years. My gear has changed 3 times maybe, other than boots. This seems silly to some people but some people are crazy to me. Truck payment = $600/month = out of state elk tag = 3 years of deer, turkey, bear tags in state = 15 hours of work and not in the woods. New fancier jacket = 1/2 an elk tag out of state = deer tag out of state = 2 years of tags in state = 8 extra hours of work and not in the woods New pack frame = elk tag = more deer tags = more hours of work and not in the woods More time = more bullets = more arrows = more play = more scouting = more self confidence = more living = more loving = priceless. I learned you can never buy enough time at the end of your life. I decided a long time ago to accumulate time and memories not things. My family is due most of my money. Firstly, I work to support them not my "wants". In return more than I need is given to me by them. I'm simple, all I need is time in the woods to hunt, fish, hike, and trap.
Keep these coming. Getting ready for my first western hunt currently. My only gear indulgence is a new pack. It's on my back every other morning till I get to Colorado. Like some have said, the ability to get deep and stay in the field is paramount.
Soild footwear... Something that don't twist up and give out when you walk over rough terrain... Don't need $400 boots either - I have the Scarpa Kaliash GTX for $150-$225 (depending on where you buy them) are awesome trek boots..... Many options under $200 . . . My buddy used Under Armor trail shoes.
Well said Cliff. I've definitely falling into that over the years. The problem is everything is driven by money and a company that wants to keep going needs to constantly put out the "latest and greatest" to try and grab the market. Take the time to scout more, dial in your rifle/bow more, test and use the clothing and equipment you have is way more beneficial in the long run. Thanks Nate
You nailed it. And it's applicable to adventure motorcycle riding, archery and all sorts of things where folk think gear=shortcut and lack thereof or even not breaking gear in = feeble excuse.
100% correct! been saying this for years myself. 10years ago there wasn’t the crap in the accessories market and it’s all down to marketing! don’t get sucked in👍
One of the best pieces of advice I got for clothing was from another outfitter on my first day- "Get a mesh leafy jacket and hat, then wear whatever you have under". Its instant camo and you can wear whatever is in your budget under it and focus on non hunting brands that provide decent clothes.
My experience in a nutshell! I can work with the wind and many other factors but I can not sit still when I’m freezing. The fear that I’ve found that helps me stay warm will stay with me for a long time no matter what other miracle clothing comes out on the market.
The vast majority of my efforts goes into year round practice of positional shooting and my hunting budget is mostly directed towards supporting that. I would say physical preparation would be my primary, it's my occupation.
Just subscribed. This level of honesty is rare and much appreciated. You're saying the things we all already know deep down but don't want to admit. Rock on man and God Bless! Happy Hunting!
Very well stated Cliff. It's important that we recognize our own biases as well. Some of the more modern systems/materials are important, but a small comparison to experience and time spent in the field.
Great point of view! I’ve actually caught myself purchasing “superior” equipment as a substitute for time in the field. It’s easier to buy a new backpack while sitting on the couch than to drive 30 miles and trek up a mountain side to glass at daylight in the off season. To your point, many of us could justify either of the actions as “preparing for the hunt.”
Cliff there are very few social media types I enjoy hearing perspectives from more than I do you. Your content is unapologetic and real and I appreciate that. It makes me want to hear more about the things you’re trying to speak to on your channel. I love new gear with the best of em but once I find a product that speaks to me and performs, it’s very difficult to wanna change from it for the new hotness . Great vid and look forward to the next!
Brand new to hunting and you said it perfectly @3:54 Thank you for the video. As I get started this video put my mind at ease on all the gear out there find what you need and get going!
Investing in your knowledge base and getting experience as often as one can is definitely more valuable than the latest and greatest gear. Plus it weighs zero ounces. Randy Newberg even says if you have the basic gear from hunting whitetail in the east and Midwest then it would be better to use your money 💵 on tags 🏷 instead of buying all the latest and greatest and not being able to afford any tags 🏷 to actually go hunting. We all have fallen into that trap, I know that I have especially when I see something on sale. Great job pointing that out about the hunting industry.
Wow, absolutely loved this. First video I have watched of yours and wow. I have been hunting for over 30 years and have never owned or used a range finder or bipods. I have nothing against rests and if you have one available, use it. But the amount of people I have seen who use those things cannot shoot off hand or on the knee to save their life. I have seen shots with the rests that should not have been taken, but they felt confident then spent hours finding that animal to finish it off. Skill set is of the utmost importance before gear.
Yeah man, I had all kinds of ideas for new gear I'd need for elk hunting. Should I get new camo? New boots? The rifle was a big one. I asked my buddy who has done a lot of elk hunting before "should I get a 300 win mag or a 7mm rem? Is the 308 not enough pow?" And he just explained, no, it's more than enough. What you need is good glass, and a good range finder to properly place your shots. That's it. Everything you already have for deer will carry over just fine. I'm glad to talk to/ watch people with experience, or I might be spending another 2 - 3 grand on stuff I didn't need.
Camo is the funniest progression I have seen: We have the best camo! This years camo is way better! This years camo is way better! This years camo is way better! This years camo is way better! This years camo is way better! Camo doesnt do anything, check out our new solids!
@@ColoradoStreaming yeah it's funny, my dad sees our camo set ups and he jokes that back in his hunting days (70s and 80s) he wouldn't even wear camo, they'd just go out with plaid and khaki, maybe olive drab and have plenty of success.
@@BCvictoria I read somewhere that plaid is actually pretty effective as camo. Deer cannot see the color red very well and the pattern breaks up your outline.
43 yrs hunting the west ,Swarovski binos , kuiu Yukon gear ,my 300 win mag model 70 ,3.5 x10 stainless ,must haves for me everything else I could get by with anything .
Your comment at 8:21 is the reason I buy solid colors...... If we look at apex predators hunting the same game, they are typically brown or grey or some kind of combination of the two......
Cliff All your videos are priceless from the beginner to the experienced hunter I fall in between the 2 and greatly appreciate the door you’ve unlocked for us
As a rookie hunter in my mid 40's and on a budget Its great to hear you break it down so well. As a first generation hunter I've started from scratch and have been learning the good ol' fashion way by putting in hard work with the very basics and then saving money to buy gear along the way that I actually find I have need for. The "buy once cry once" method is so true!! As a newbie its insane how strong the hunting marketing is when it comes to selling gear. Fortunately as a lifelong fisherman I am no newbie to the "catch the fisherman" concept but the fishing world doesn't come close to the "hunting the hunter" shakedown!!!! Love your channel as you have taught me a ton. Thanks for all the work and for sharing your knowledge. You sir have helped this rookie get going!!! Stay after it. Read more
The basics of any hunt is getting out and going.. I remember as a kid at a local country store with my Dad, he was talking with a buddy and I was the typical kid wanting something new and shiny, I was 8 years old. I guess he was into the conversation and when I asked for some money he gave me a five dollar bill. I was so excited because I had been eyeing this wallet one of many on a old flimsy piece of cardboard above the register counter with the usual combs, precut fishing line with attached cork and hook, handkerchiefs and other products you would expect in a old southern store. This wallet had my complete attention because I was into westerns as everyone my age during that time, and this leather prison made wallet had a horse carved on the front of it. So I took that five dollar bill and bought that thing quicker than my wife would buy another pair of shoes today spending that five dollars down to three cents after the purchase. I ran to my Dad with the biggest smile to show him, he said it was nice and asked how much it was. I replied with the total price and without a smile or hesitation he ask me…now what you gonna put in it? Lesson learned.!!
Spot on. I feel and do the same as you. My hunting gear is chosen by what works best for me. I ditched cotton about 20 years ago for some better textiles & am so glad I did. Function is my first consideration above all.
I love the straight shooting advice. It’s very easy to fall into it, it’s human nature to want an “edge.” And to some degree, rightly so in the current dynamic of trying to even get a tag in your pocket. The mindset of “I’ve waited X years for this hunt and I have one chance, I won’t let substandard gear let me down” is a huge player as well. To your point, though, it’s really just the things you discussed that give that edge. Get your lungs and legs in better shape. Gap shoot your pins on your bow. Shoot elevation changes. Practice in the wind. Etc., etc. I’ve pieced together gear slowly but I hardly ever “change.” Hell I hardly buy camo anymore. Brown and green gets it done fine.
Awesome video! I think about my old man who has hunted with the same rifle his whole life and killed a lot of elk. There are way better guns out there now but they can’t replace the comfortability and confidence he has in his rifle.
Camo is like fishing lures. Lures don't have to catch fish, just fishermen. I'm more into my clothing than gear. I've had my rifle for 25 years. I've been using the same bow for 11 years. Same little camp stove, water filter, and cook set. Merino base layers if it's cold and I may be out over night or might get wet. When it works I'm hard pressed to change it.
Well said. Some of my favorite hunting clothing is a super lightweight set of travel brand pants and shirt that I just spray painted with a leaf/branch stencil (and I get pro form deals on one of the big guys gear).
I’ve never been 1 to buy the newest jacket or other things like that. My addiction comes from me always trying to get the lightest or most compact gear I can find, when normally it only saves me a few ounces
Thanks for the reminder Cliff! Love your contribution to the online hunting community. It should be part of hunter training to watch your videos! I actually find a lot of older stuff and buy it used for a fraction of the cost of new. Mainly because I don’t have the budget to buy all the new stuff. Usually it works out pretty good and I have a bit more cash to go toward the actual hunting trip.
A breath of fresh air. I tend to think the more time people spend in the backcountry the more at odds they are with the marketing of most gear and I would say conventional knowledge from the past 100 years or so. Just my experience. Also I have a hard time changing things now. Bought an extra backpack (same model) when I found out mine was being discontinued. I do wear out gear like crazy.
I appreciate the video. Good gear is important and it can be tough to find a balance. You make some great points. If my gear allows me to hunt longer, in worse conditions, and be more comfortable it improves my hunting ability. The thing that sucks balls right now is it's cheaper to buy gear than it is to pay for fuel to go scouting. It's easier to find gear available to buy than it is to find ammo to shoot and practice.
As far as all the new fangled gear is concerned where the advantage lies is weight to warmth function. A reasonable strategy for purchasing this type of pricy gear( Kuiu, Sitka, FirstLight) is the buy once cry once, catch the big sales, and get one set and use the crap out of it. But there is several other options out there. I must also add...pit zips are a huge determining factor as well. 👍
In addition to hunters I respect, I’ve been talking to non hunters who are hard core mountain hikers to research my new back country hunt gear. I still use gear that has served me well for twenty years and have a hard time giving up proven stuff. For me working within my budget has been key and difficult, but it’s coming together. Thanks Cliff, learning a bunch from you!
Gregory backpacks and LL Bean wool pants and sweaters. I never worried about buying new backpacks for hunting because I have a couple of Gregory packs that I already own and are comfortable. Wool pants, well they are inexpensive, warm, quiet, and surprisingly water resistant.
I feel you Cliff! Great message....I tend to steer clear of guys that always have top-of-the-line fresh gear that looks like it just came out of the wash or buys a new bow every year.....walk up to me with some well-used, worn-down gear and we can talk!
True words Sir. I would add your viewpoint here is not only accurate about the hunting industry but it is what’s happening in every other segment of outdoor and adventure sports too. Arguably, this is happening everywhere with everything and it’s not limited to outdoor activities as well. Either way. Yes, gear does matter but only so far. The real differences in people’s experiences relies almost solely in their knowledge, experience and mindset.
Guilty, my day kit is dialed, but I now own one wall tent, one hot tent, 3 cold tents and they hardly get used… Big dreams but we almost always hunt out of our airstream boon docking 1 hour and bouncy jeep trail from our trailhead… 430am comes early, but the airstream is just so easy and comfortable, maybee next season we will rough it and as our daughter pointed out every elk we brought out was using our basecamp model, she doesn’t like the tents.
👍this is a great comment Ty… brings up something I didn’t hit on in the video but have run into a lot as a guide and on personal hunts… a lot of the time we are comfortable/effective doing a certain style of hunt but we still feel the need to have all the gear for other styles of hunting, in many ways this can be stressful and get us off track. Good luck this Fall… glad to hear you have your daughters in on hunts. Thanks
I stumbled upon your channel watching hunting videos. I cant believe I just now found it! I love your blue collar, everyday day joe , yet professional guide approach and philosophy to hunting. Good luck to you and thanks for the great info! New subscriber and looking forward to future content!
When I started hunting 10-12 years ago I didn’t even own my own rifle yet and I didn’t even start buying camo until couple years ago but my rifles today are some of the best with rifle scopes I mainly use leupold stsrted out with few vortex but they are subpar. I always wore jeans and a t shirt in the fall during hot archery hunts I wear shorts and tank top. I work on learning the animals and and trying to stay fit for my hikes watch videos of how professionals hunt and out there experience with my own and go out and learn. Good comfortable hiking shoes most important besides my rifle because I have wide feet haha
I go for comfort and quietness. Merino wool is my go to. One shirt, pair of pants and a wind jacket is all my camouflage as I can infinitely layer. Comfortable from 20c (70f) to -15c (0f). When it gets cold I throw the wind layer on over wool and or down. Warm just thin shirt. Mild just wind jacket etc….I’m fairly new to hunting but already had quality clothing from other outdoor activities so just use those. My hunting mentor wears blue jeans and red wool or fleece for moose and mule deer and tweed for upland. I would rather save my money to afford time off to be in the woods and fuel to get me there.
best video yet. Boldly honest . I'm sure you hurt some feelers out there . The only thing I think you didn't say but implied is all about someone's pride . Thank you
You nailed it with the keys to gear being comfort and confidence. I will wear 3 or 4 different camo patterns at once on a bow hunt. I do not care so much about how I look to other hunters, but how my gear performs. And while I'm not an outfitter, I try not to buy anything at MSRP; patiently wait for sales, and add pieces to my gear when those sales arise. Not being brand biased helps here too.
Fishing lures are made to catch fishermen, not necessarily fish…. I am 100% with you on upgrading gear to upgrade. I actually got told not to by a guide I have hunted many times with. I bought a .375 Ruger with a 20” barrel because it was dirt cheap, and put a 1” Leopold vx3 1.5x5 on it to fit within budget. This year I told Michael I wanted to get a 23” version of the rifle, and get the 30mm tube with a fire dot for my next trip. He told me point blank “Eric, you have been bringing that rifle to Africa for years, and you it is an extension of you. I do shit with you I do with almost no one else because of that. I am getting to old to take chances with a rifle you aren’t as familiar with.
Stansfield wool sweaters! I wore them on the fire line, falling trees in cold wet timber and in the attic when I worked on the ice roads. Cant beat that old gray rag that keeps you warm when wet. If I don't wear one hunting I have one in my pack, The functionality of it is better than any camo. I cant post pics in comments or else I would post the pics with last year's elk I had the stany on!
Couldn’t agree more on skill set being more important. I killed my biggest bull at 3yds with not a shred of camo on, and my bald head glistening in the morning sun. Reason being is because I showed up late to elk camp and wanted to get a early morning hunt in before unpacking all my gear, it sure taught me a valuable lesson.
Really appreciate your opinion and expertise. I'm a new beginning big game hunter, with a very small budget. It's hard to navigate what gear is essential and finding out the what and wherefore... this really helps level it all out for me. Thanks brother.
I have an older bow (ancient, by some people's standards). But it still works so, unless someone comes out with a bow that will bring more deer under my tree, I'm happy to keep using it.
Good advice Cliff! It's funny that guys go out and spend hundreds if not thousands on gear, I see this in fly fishing all of the time. People are always shocked to hear about my fishing success and that I do it with old gear, middle road setups and just plain old average tactics. All of the that top of the line gear doesn't matter, it's all about time on the water. This year will be my third year deer hunting and I've tried to apply that same mind set to western backcountry hunts, spend as much time in the field hiking, backpacking, scouting and shooting. Keep up the great work, your videos have been huge for me in the last couple of months!
Cliff, Fantastic presentation and clear articulated thoughts. Thank you for this content! This only solidified my beliefs and will be archived for future presentation to my friends who may doubt this line of thinking. Godspeed Danny
I just subscribed because of this video. I'm planning on starting to hunt once I move to Colorado next year and wow this video made me feel calm for the future.
I grew up hunting in wool clothing. When your a kid and you learn what’s warm and what’s wet, you really begin to appreciate the leaps and bounds that the new “Tech” gear offers us hunters today. I absolutely love the shit, it’s layering systems are so nice, and it works. I came from the heavy, ice covered, sweaty, but warm days of wool. I have a formula that I follow on new gear. Take for example the “ puffy Jacket” that I really wanted for late afternoon glassing. It was a big expense for me because I have family needs before mine. So every year I buy one piece of gear, so I make it count. I study each brand, the fit, feel, comfort, compact to warmth ratio. Then I ask my wife for Christmas and birthday for this exact item, having already done my research. My extended family loves it, they all just pitch in 20, 40, 50$ whatever they want, and don’t buy me gifts I’ll never use. I’ve been doing this for 20 years and I use the living shit outa the stuff, and it’s still holding up. If it doesn’t for some odd reason, the companies are still small enough that they’ll repair it in the off season.
I grew up with wool myself. The only thing I don’t like about this new stuff is it’s not as tough as wool. I am constantly tearing it on brush and melting little holes in it near a fire.
I have hunted for years in my blue jeans t-shirt or hoody and a baseball hat with a plain Jane Ruger .270 with a tasco 3-9x40 and a $10 sling because when I bought the gun at 14 all I had was the money for the gun. My dad bought a cheap scope and sling and we put them on. I'm now 44 and I still use the exact same set-up. I know there is nicer stuff out there but I have killed so many animals with that set-up why change what works??? Good stuff Cliff.
LMAO you described all my Whitetail buddy's....I don't have the extra cash to go buy the latest and not so greatest gear. But I use the trusted and accurate bow, rifles and gear that I own from yesterday .... The only gear that I really spent the coin on was a kuiu pack system with pants and jacket. It was the best purchase I think I have ever made regarding hunting gear set up for what I do. My wife thinks I'm absolutely crazy, but she loves me, and respects my love for chasing critters.
I always find the material I want for a piece of gear i.e. gortex, puffy jacket, packable rain jacket or camo etc and buy the least expensive I can find. I still wear camo that doesn't match and have elk look right through me standing out in the open as the light colored camo pants and dark or green colored top break up my pattern. I made my own bugle tube out of a large wiffle ball bat. There are two areas I spend top dollar on though. Boots and backpacks. I don't hunt out of tents anymore...but if your back or feet hurt your ass will spend less time in the woods where it counts.
Interesting topic on buying hunting gear. The only place near me to buy brand name stuff is Cabelas in Dartmouth NS. I’ve been there and looked at a ton of stuff. Expensive stuff, me being practical I didn’t buy what I actually went there for.. My hunting clothes consist of 30;year old Realtree hardwoods camo quilted bibs and jacket. They keep me warm, so why buy new. I’m thinking there’s tremendous markup on that sort of stuff. Once again thanks for making the informative videos for everybody to watch.
Totally agree! I've been say'n this for last 5 years. You heard here first- think about it, they're selling "the experience through the possession". Joe B
I have a friend who set up his backpack based on a pack dump video he saw on RUclips. So even though we were only hunting about 800 yards away from where our campsite was he had a backpack with all of his sleep gear and jet, boil, and mountain house and all of that, I asked him why he was bringing all of that stuff and he really did not have that great of an answer. One thing that we need to take into consideration when we try to mimic what an influencer has in their pack is are they hunting the same style and under the same conditions that we are. ?
Thanks Cliff, when I’m sitting at work or home wishing I was hunting, it’s easy to get caught up in gear dreaming and spreadsheet shopping. But you’re right, once you have that base setup, something has to be really good to be worth buying and replacing something that you already know works. I’ve been trying to lighten my pack, but the price per pound savings is outrageous 😆
Great video! Personally, what you're talking about is one of the reasons I like to hunt with trad archery gear....it's already out dated by it's nature. So, " upgrading" to the newest tech just isn't really a thing. Plus, if I get skunked I can at least salve my ego with the fact that it was already really difficult to start off with ;-). I also like the Fred Bear quote " The best camouflage pattern is called sit down and be quiet! Your grandpa hunted deer in a red plaid coat...think about that for a second." Thanks for putting out the content. You and Clay Hayes are the top of the youtube heap.
Lightweight backpacker guru Ray Jardine wrote an article called "cannon balls". It was to make a point that folks fall into a trap of buying whatever gear the magazines promote. He made fun of that by joking that folks would buy designer cannon balls with the best names on them and carry them in their backpacks on the trail, Sarcastically saying that's what folks are doing instead of just carrying lightweight and useful gear. (Ray was one of the first backpackers to promote light packs and wearing running shoes instead of heavy leather hiking boots)
Really relate to the motorcycle comparison. Ive ridden and raced offroad moto for 35yrs. I believe in having only what you need. With a focus on reliability. Most of the money is spent on things you cant see. My hunting setup is close to the same.
I’d think the most important thing to invest in is your physical fitness, target practice, and sleep system. Being able to physically hike all your gear up/down a mountain Is not easy. Knowing how and when to dope your scope to make certain shots only comes from experience. Your sleep system makes your experience that you’re likely paying top dollar for more enjoyable. Other than that I think training in the boots and socks you’re going to wear while hunting is pretty important too so you know if you’ll get hot spots or blisters. I almost wonder if you even need camouflage if you’re rifle hunting. Most game animals have shitty eyesight at best and rely more on sound and smell.
Great video. Things to think about. I would spend my money on the things that would keep me safe and comfortable if something went south like weather or injury. Being able to take care of basic human needs is way more important than a 4500.00 rifle:) After all now days budget rifles that come with a free scope shoot sub moa. I just proved that last week. Your safety is number one. And a successful hunt is number 2! Can’t have number 2 without number 1
I still believe and wear the military woodland camo. IMO it’s very effective. I have noticed and will start trying is to use lighter colored camo. It seems to blend in better with most any terrain. I watched a video of a guy stalking a buck with what we would say is good camo but he stuck out like Sasquatch in the area he was in. You can add to the lighter camo for changing conditions. I’m the kind of guy that I won’t change something I like and comfortable with unless someone can show me different. I like your thoughts. Thanks
I'm a fan of beige and gray. In the fall, I think ASAT and 6-color chocolate-chip desert camo work best. I laugh when I see heavy winter hunting jackets in dark green camo patterns!
Awesome information straight talk and real. No disrespect, I only want to see you grow in subscribers and followers. I say that to say this. Please use less camera transitions. I almost didn’t watch the whole video. BUT you had such good information I couldn’t stop watching/listening. Good luck in all you do.
Hey Jason, really appreciate this kind of feedback. Editing the videos is a learning curve for me… don’t want them to be boring but at the same time don’t want to make them difficult to watch. This helps a lot. Thanks
Brother the content is Great. You are saying what a lot of hunters think and want to know especially novices. It is difficult when you first start out to decide what is with the money and what is not. Good luck brother Keep posting. Jason
Some of the best hunting clothes I've ever bought have been from Walmart on clearance!!! 4 way stretch nylon camo pants & Shirts are The same materials as the big brands - ONLY 10X cheaper !!!!!
I have a pair of Swarovski NL pure binos. Yes. They were stupid expensive. But I'll never need to buy another pair of bino's.. Swarovski is the best period. I've found animals that my buddies literally couldn't see with there glass. But I agree with you on 90% of what your saying. IMO Bino's are one of the most important pieces of gear people need to spend money on.
That cowboy thing was funny😄. Why not go for it if you like it. I’ve noticed that people who are mean about stuff like that aren’t cool and it was a good indicator early on.
Mate, that was so well said and I needed to be said. Appreciate your honesty and acknowledgment of bias. Also thanks for just being real about sometimes wanting to just dress a certain was because you like it. So refreshing dude. Power to you! Z.
I can’t tell you how helpful it was to hear this. I find myself getting into the rat race if buying new gear. But I’ve lately found myself keeping the same gear year over year, and it gives me one less thing to think about. Life is complicated enough. Find good gear and move on. Thanks Cliff!
This is an axiom for life, not just hunting. There are endless shortcuts to spend your money on to improve your health, finances, relationships, whatever. Rarely is that where the difference is made. Improvement starts from within.
I tend to have a gear list that would have been similar to one of the 1950s through 70s. Keeping it light, enjoy the challenge ( skill) of leaving the training wheels at home. Man up and do it the way grandpa did. I agree with your attitude on this. I'm not trying to say I use gear of the 50s . I'll use the modern if it's better but as we all know some of the older stuff is better quality built.
“Then came the gadgeteer, otherwise known as the sporting-goods dealer. He has draped the American outdoorsman with an infinity of contraptions, all offered as aids to self-reliance, hardihood, woodcraft, or marksmanship, but too often functioning as substitutes for them. Gadgets fill the pockets, they dangle from neck and belt. The overflow fills the auto-trunk and also the trailer. Each item of outdoor equipment grows lighter and often better, but the aggregate poundage becomes tonnage.“ -Aldo Leopold
I love this quote! wish I knew it before making this video - I would have just said it! summarizes the problem so well. thanks for sharing.
@@CliffGray Aldo Leopold's writings are full of wisdom. This was the first video on your channel I've come across and I enjoy your content a lot. Currently running through them as I pack for 3rd rifle deer/elk season in Colorado.
@@martinaxe6390 good stuff! Travel safe and good luck on your hunt! Glad you enjoy the videos.
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Hey Cliff, first I really enjoy your content and respect what you say. With that said, whats your opinion on the Burris Eliminator line of scopes as far as simplicity and ease of use.
You just earned my respect for having the balls to say this... something 99% of people in the industry dont have. I never dreamed id see anyone in hunting media even say this.
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Welp, I guess the skinning knife with compass/USB carger/flare gun built in is off the Christmas list.
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Hell yeah.
Really appreciate the candidness. Honestly hadn’t seen your videos before, I’m a fan now.
During my time in the Marine Corps, we had our share of "those guys" who had to have the most high speed low drag brand new gear, and had shit hanging from every single loop on their flak jacket or day pack... the term we used for them is "gear queer". They bought it because it looked cool or made them look cool. I've killed deer, elk, and pronghorn in both camo, and in a t-shirt, jeans and Ariat boots. I went through the gear queer phase early on because I thought it would make me a better hunter. I did the prostaff thing too, slinging cheap products because I got them for 10 or 20 percent off... not because they worked. And I honestly never killed anything using them. It comes down to essential vs nonessential for me. Weapon, optics, food, water, a small possibles bag with some emergency items and fire starting kit, and a pack. I stay light and mobile. As for camo, I've snuck in on deer in flip flops and shorts so... lol. Over the years I've come to realize the hunting industry is much like the fishing lure industry- they're not meant to catch fish, they're meant to catch fishermen. The best piece of gear the hunter can have rests inside their cranium. Knowing the game and being confident in their shooting will kill more game than a flashy new Sitka jacket ever will.
Well put Gary! Thanks
By the way, my brother’s a marine and he still calls me a gear queer… haha
Couldnt have said it better myself. Glad someone like Cliff has the balls to come out and say this...its basically career suicide....which is unfortunate. Commercialism has almost ruined hunting. But hey, at least Rinella got a million dollars and had his fun huh
Haha that’s hilarious Cliff!! Just give your brother some crayons for Christmas… he’ll get the joke 😂
Coming down with throat cancer caused me to lose over one hundred pounds. Problem is or was, my camo hunting clothes are way too big! I’ve decided to spend the money for what works. That is what I see other successful hunters using. Yes, I beat the cancer and am planning big time hunting trips with my boys, maybe even Africa! I’m hoping I don’t intimidate them because I’m retired with plenty of money while they are raising families. Good advise Cliff, thanks for your effort.
good luck on your hunt! glad to hear your health is on the upswing!
Then help them pay for the trips. They'll respect you for it.
This is why I follow Cliff. No bullshit just knowledge! Thanks brother!
Thanks Tim! 👊
this is 100% why i really enjoy your content. as a fairly inexperienced hunter (compared to some others) i get a real problem with gear goggles trying to keep up with the pack. i watch youtube videos for tips on how to become better at the sport and it does feel like a lot of these videos spend a lot of time selling you on gear that i frankly just cant afford, just ask my wife she’ll tell ya. i appreciate the honest nature of your tips about substance the substance of the hunt for the average enthusiast instead of feeling like i’m watching commercials intended for only the richest hunters. thanx man! by far my favourite youtube hunting channel,
Really appreciate Greg! Thanks
Love it. The problem I run into is I find something I really like, use it till it's a shambles and when I go to replace it. The replacement stuff is changed and usually for the worse.
For big game hunting, you truly only need rifle, binoculars, a knife, boots, a pack and warm close. Been hunting mule deer since I was a kid and that’s all I’ve ever needed. I use an old pack and backpack from the 70s (born in the 90s) and it’s been great. If you like minimalist camp set up, I recommend a Canvas Cutter. It’s a waterproof cowboy bedroll and it works great. (Although, very expensive). Bring a cooler for food and water and YOURE SET. Being a skilled hunter and knowing the land is by far the most important.
Great philosophy on the gear. I have always been an outdoor enthusiast. Hunter, backpacker, mountaineer. A tent/ hammock/ rolled up in a tarp on the ground kind of camper. As I'm getting a little more experienced, I've found the ground is a little harder and colder than it was forty years ago when I was 20. There is not much gear that is essential to a successful hunt. The native American hunters had skills rather than equipment. Bow, arrows, knife, ability to build fires etc. .
I really appreciate your content! I am going on my first western mule deer and elk hunt this year. There is so much gear to get and especially someone like me who is building a kit it’s so easy to focus just on the gear and neglect actually using the gear. I don’t have a endless income and seeing the cost of some of the gear was shocking. Very thankful for secondhand gear and some non hunting brand budget options out there for clothing etc. Keep up the awesome content…I am learning a ton from your channel.
Sounds like you have a good approach… tons of good used stuff out there. A lot of it ends up being essentially new! Good luck this Fall.. I love hearing that the videos have been useful.
be practical. kings camo/ mossy/ realtree can be a quarter of the price and just as good in the mountains. I have been a western hunter my whole life. I often wear jeans, a long sleeve and an orange vest.
My experience is that good boots are #1 on the importance list of thing that don't go BOOM.
It cannot be overstated what a difference maker a good set of boots built for the mountains can be.
@@Toms2ATime I kept hearing the same thing and ended up finding a used pair of salewa rapace for a third of the price in great shape. So far so good with those!
You don't even need GTX boots like Crispi's or any of that.... You'll see once your out there - there will be guys wearing blue jeans & tennis shoes..!!!!! But,,, trekking boots with a heel brake are nice for the loose terrain...
I learned this years ago a friend bought all "state of the art " Gear and went on an elk hunt with me.....I had 5 year old wal mart camo pants....a shirt with blood on the sleeves and on the vest I was wearing.....He spent a lot of money and ate a tag that year....and has never went back...that was 2012..... I am like 8 animals in my 8 years now because like you said...ass time in the woods is more important than a bass pro card... Get there early if you are coming from a long ways away...I try to have at least 3 days....1 to get my oxygen right and drive around looking for new areas....Then I spend thrusday and friday with glass in my hands....I guarantee yall what Cliff is saying about gear is true... and make sure you know how to use your spotter and binos....before you go....I live in texas and will watch cows coyotes and pigs with my glass.....and if you like to eat...(youre fat) start walking NOW..... You don't want to try to go into a reduced oxygen situation carrying an extra 60lbs on your back and not be able to walk because you neglected your most important piece of gear...you
I was talking to a guy at an archery stuff as I get up for my first bow season. He saved me a lot of money by telling me I DIDNT need illuminated nocks or a name brand sling. I appreciate that level of honesty.
I’ve found information makes me stop buying or even looking at new gear. Learning the principles behind what is driving a purchase can then fulfill my reasoning for buying something. Otherwise if there’s no real reasoning you’re just looking for new shit just for the sake of being new. It seems like educating is becoming a newer trend which is really the answer we need. Appreciate all your info and time you put into your videos
Thanks Tim!
Brother so true on the gear. My Dad went to the woods with his rifle, smokes and coffee and harvested plenty of game over the years.
Great video. Thank you
Great video! Couple of extra tips - after the season I evaluate what gear/lack of gear “cost” me an opportunity and I prioritize that. I also buy gear/ammo in late winter/spring (not last minute) so that I know I’ll have it for the season and most importantly - test it in the field!
Good tips! Thanks
I live in the east. I hunt at least 6 weeks or more a year in the east and west. I'm a carpenter. I live modestly. Here's the way I look at gear and the cost of living. I've hunted 33 years. My gear has changed 3 times maybe, other than boots. This seems silly to some people but some people are crazy to me.
Truck payment = $600/month = out of state elk tag = 3 years of deer, turkey, bear tags in state = 15 hours of work and not in the woods.
New fancier jacket = 1/2 an elk tag out of state = deer tag out of state = 2 years of tags in state = 8 extra hours of work and not in the woods
New pack frame = elk tag = more deer tags = more hours of work and not in the woods
More time = more bullets = more arrows = more play = more scouting = more self confidence = more living = more loving = priceless.
I learned you can never buy enough time at the end of your life. I decided a long time ago to accumulate time and memories not things.
My family is due most of my money. Firstly, I work to support them not my "wants". In return more than I need is given to me by them. I'm simple, all I need is time in the woods to hunt, fish, hike, and trap.
Well put! Love it.
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Keep these coming. Getting ready for my first western hunt currently. My only gear indulgence is a new pack. It's on my back every other morning till I get to Colorado. Like some have said, the ability to get deep and stay in the field is paramount.
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Soild footwear... Something that don't twist up and give out when you walk over rough terrain... Don't need $400 boots either - I have the Scarpa Kaliash GTX for $150-$225 (depending on where you buy them) are awesome trek boots..... Many options under $200 . . . My buddy used Under Armor trail shoes.
Well said Cliff. I've definitely falling into that over the years. The problem is everything is driven by money and a company that wants to keep going needs to constantly put out the "latest and greatest" to try and grab the market. Take the time to scout more, dial in your rifle/bow more, test and use the clothing and equipment you have is way more beneficial in the long run.
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for sure Nate!
You nailed it. And it's applicable to adventure motorcycle riding, archery and all sorts of things where folk think gear=shortcut and lack thereof or even not breaking gear in = feeble excuse.
100% correct! been saying this for years myself. 10years ago there wasn’t the crap in the accessories market and it’s all down to marketing! don’t get sucked in👍
One of the best pieces of advice I got for clothing was from another outfitter on my first day-
"Get a mesh leafy jacket and hat, then wear whatever you have under".
Its instant camo and you can wear whatever is in your budget under it and focus on non hunting brands that provide decent clothes.
Can’t wait to see this channel hit 100k +
Really appreciate it man!
My experience in a nutshell! I can work with the wind and many other factors but I can not sit still when I’m freezing. The fear that I’ve found that helps me stay warm will stay with me for a long time no matter what other miracle clothing comes out on the market.
I love that i got an ad for the meateater store immediately after this video finished up. I appreciate that you have some integrity.
Bwhaha now that’s pretty funny!
The vast majority of my efforts goes into year round practice of positional shooting and my hunting budget is mostly directed towards supporting that. I would say physical preparation would be my primary, it's my occupation.
Just subscribed. This level of honesty is rare and much appreciated. You're saying the things we all already know deep down but don't want to admit. Rock on man and God Bless! Happy Hunting!
thanks!
Very well stated Cliff. It's important that we recognize our own biases as well. Some of the more modern systems/materials are important, but a small comparison to experience and time spent in the field.
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Great point of view! I’ve actually caught myself purchasing “superior” equipment as a substitute for time in the field. It’s easier to buy a new backpack while sitting on the couch than to drive 30 miles and trek up a mountain side to glass at daylight in the off season. To your point, many of us could justify either of the actions as “preparing for the hunt.”
Cliff there are very few social media types I enjoy hearing perspectives from more than I do you. Your content is unapologetic and real and I appreciate that. It makes me want to hear more about the things you’re trying to speak to on your channel. I love new gear with the best of em but once I find a product that speaks to me and performs, it’s very difficult to wanna change from it for the new hotness . Great vid and look forward to the next!
Thank you! 👍
Brand new to hunting and you said it perfectly @3:54 Thank you for the video. As I get started this video put my mind at ease on all the gear out there find what you need and get going!
Investing in your knowledge base and getting experience as often as one can is definitely more valuable than the latest and greatest gear. Plus it weighs zero ounces. Randy Newberg even says if you have the basic gear from hunting whitetail in the east and Midwest then it would be better to use your money 💵 on tags 🏷 instead of buying all the latest and greatest and not being able to afford any tags 🏷 to actually go hunting.
We all have fallen into that trap, I know that I have especially when I see something on sale.
Great job pointing that out about the hunting industry.
Right on Cliff! Great advice and relayed very well!
This is some of the most sound advice I’ve heard in a long time; thanks!
You got it man! Thanks for watching.
I really appreciate your honesty! I often mess with my arrow setup to try the latest and greatest stuff. This often ends in wasted time and money.
Wow, absolutely loved this. First video I have watched of yours and wow. I have been hunting for over 30 years and have never owned or used a range finder or bipods. I have nothing against rests and if you have one available, use it. But the amount of people I have seen who use those things cannot shoot off hand or on the knee to save their life. I have seen shots with the rests that should not have been taken, but they felt confident then spent hours finding that animal to finish it off. Skill set is of the utmost importance before gear.
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Yeah man, I had all kinds of ideas for new gear I'd need for elk hunting. Should I get new camo? New boots? The rifle was a big one. I asked my buddy who has done a lot of elk hunting before "should I get a 300 win mag or a 7mm rem? Is the 308 not enough pow?" And he just explained, no, it's more than enough. What you need is good glass, and a good range finder to properly place your shots. That's it. Everything you already have for deer will carry over just fine. I'm glad to talk to/ watch people with experience, or I might be spending another 2 - 3 grand on stuff I didn't need.
Love to hear it!!!
Camo is the funniest progression I have seen:
We have the best camo!
This years camo is way better!
This years camo is way better!
This years camo is way better!
This years camo is way better!
This years camo is way better!
Camo doesnt do anything, check out our new solids!
@@ColoradoStreaming yeah it's funny, my dad sees our camo set ups and he jokes that back in his hunting days (70s and 80s) he wouldn't even wear camo, they'd just go out with plaid and khaki, maybe olive drab and have plenty of success.
@@BCvictoria I read somewhere that plaid is actually pretty effective as camo. Deer cannot see the color red very well and the pattern breaks up your outline.
Great video! There is something in simplicity! There is a reason in so many videos on knives you hold up the same Buck Knife… solid points!
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43 yrs hunting the west ,Swarovski binos , kuiu Yukon gear ,my 300 win mag model 70 ,3.5 x10 stainless ,must haves for me everything else I could get by with anything .
Your comment at 8:21 is the reason I buy solid colors...... If we look at apex predators hunting the same game, they are typically brown or grey or some kind of combination of the two......
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All your videos are priceless from the beginner to the experienced hunter
I fall in between the 2 and greatly appreciate the door you’ve unlocked for us
Thanks!
I have to admit that last part hits home.
I look at day packs and such,I'm just like that new pack doesn't do anything my current doesn't already do.
Ha! Yeah, exactly
As a rookie hunter in my mid 40's and on a budget Its great to hear you break it down so well. As a first generation hunter I've started from scratch and have been learning the good ol' fashion way by putting in hard work with the very basics and then saving money to buy gear along the way that I actually find I have need for. The "buy once cry once" method is so true!! As a newbie its insane how strong the hunting marketing is when it comes to selling gear. Fortunately as a lifelong fisherman I am no newbie to the "catch the fisherman" concept but the fishing world doesn't come close to the "hunting the hunter" shakedown!!!! Love your channel as you have taught me a ton. Thanks for all the work and for sharing your knowledge. You sir have helped this rookie get going!!! Stay after it.
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Glad it was helpful Ken! Appreciate the support. Thanks
The basics of any hunt is getting out and going.. I remember as a kid at a local country store with my Dad, he was talking with a buddy and I was the typical kid wanting something new and shiny, I was 8 years old. I guess he was into the conversation and when I asked for some money he gave me a five dollar bill. I was so excited because I had been eyeing this wallet one of many on a old flimsy piece of cardboard above the register counter with the usual combs, precut fishing line with attached cork and hook, handkerchiefs and other products you would expect in a old southern store. This wallet had my complete attention because I was into westerns as everyone my age during that time, and this leather prison made wallet had a horse carved on the front of it. So I took that five dollar bill and bought that thing quicker than my wife would buy another pair of shoes today spending that five dollars down to three cents after the purchase. I ran to my Dad with the biggest smile to show him, he said it was nice and asked how much it was. I replied with the total price and without a smile or hesitation he ask me…now what you gonna put in it? Lesson learned.!!
bwhahaha. That is a great story
Spot on. I feel and do the same as you. My hunting gear is chosen by what works best for me. I ditched cotton about 20 years ago for some better textiles & am so glad I did. Function is my first consideration above all.
Yes!!!! Great advise. I’m a one time purchaser and hate being gear dependent.
I love the straight shooting advice. It’s very easy to fall into it, it’s human nature to want an “edge.” And to some degree, rightly so in the current dynamic of trying to even get a tag in your pocket. The mindset of “I’ve waited X years for this hunt and I have one chance, I won’t let substandard gear let me down” is a huge player as well. To your point, though, it’s really just the things you discussed that give that edge. Get your lungs and legs in better shape. Gap shoot your pins on your bow. Shoot elevation changes. Practice in the wind. Etc., etc. I’ve pieced together gear slowly but I hardly ever “change.” Hell I hardly buy camo anymore. Brown and green gets it done fine.
Awesome video! I think about my old man who has hunted with the same rifle his whole life and killed a lot of elk. There are way better guns out there now but they can’t replace the comfortability and confidence he has in his rifle.
Camo is like fishing lures. Lures don't have to catch fish, just fishermen. I'm more into my clothing than gear. I've had my rifle for 25 years. I've been using the same bow for 11 years. Same little camp stove, water filter, and cook set. Merino base layers if it's cold and I may be out over night or might get wet. When it works I'm hard pressed to change it.
I'm with ya! The fishing lure analogy is a great one!
Well said. Some of my favorite hunting clothing is a super lightweight set of travel brand pants and shirt that I just spray painted with a leaf/branch stencil (and I get pro form deals on one of the big guys gear).
I’ve never been 1 to buy the newest jacket or other things like that. My addiction comes from me always trying to get the lightest or most compact gear I can find, when normally it only saves me a few ounces
Thank you for sharing your insights. I believe that all marketing is to breed discontent.
There is a lot to that. Thanks for the comment and watching! 👍👍
Thanks for the reminder Cliff! Love your contribution to the online hunting community. It should be part of hunter training to watch your videos!
I actually find a lot of older stuff and buy it used for a fraction of the cost of new. Mainly because I don’t have the budget to buy all the new stuff. Usually it works out pretty good and I have a bit more cash to go toward the actual hunting trip.
I love it when I find a city boy on Craigslist that did a one time hunt and will never do it again and he's unloading all his top shelve gear.
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A breath of fresh air.
I tend to think the more time people spend in the backcountry the more at odds they are with the marketing of most gear and I would say conventional knowledge from the past 100 years or so. Just my experience.
Also I have a hard time changing things now. Bought an extra backpack (same model) when I found out mine was being discontinued. I do wear out gear like crazy.
I love the backpack deal… buying a backup before they quit making them! I’ve done that same thing on a few small things myself.
Appreciate this video. I'm very guilty of falling for all the marketing crap. This video made me realize that I really need to check myself!!
I appreciate the video. Good gear is important and it can be tough to find a balance. You make some great points. If my gear allows me to hunt longer, in worse conditions, and be more comfortable it improves my hunting ability. The thing that sucks balls right now is it's cheaper to buy gear than it is to pay for fuel to go scouting. It's easier to find gear available to buy than it is to find ammo to shoot and practice.
As far as all the new fangled gear is concerned where the advantage lies is weight to warmth function. A reasonable strategy for purchasing this type of pricy gear( Kuiu, Sitka, FirstLight) is the buy once cry once, catch the big sales, and get one set and use the crap out of it.
But there is several other options out there.
I must also add...pit zips are a huge determining factor as well. 👍
In addition to hunters I respect, I’ve been talking to non hunters who are hard core mountain hikers to research my new back country hunt gear. I still use gear that has served me well for twenty years and have a hard time giving up proven stuff. For me working within my budget has been key and difficult, but it’s coming together. Thanks Cliff, learning a bunch from you!
That's a great way to research gear... some of the nonhunting equipment is awesome and a better value. thanks
Gregory backpacks and LL Bean wool pants and sweaters. I never worried about buying new backpacks for hunting because I have a couple of Gregory packs that I already own and are comfortable. Wool pants, well they are inexpensive, warm, quiet, and surprisingly water resistant.
I feel you Cliff! Great message....I tend to steer clear of guys that always have top-of-the-line fresh gear that looks like it just came out of the wash or buys a new bow every year.....walk up to me with some well-used, worn-down gear and we can talk!
Really appreciate it. Thanks!
True words Sir.
I would add your viewpoint here is not only accurate about the hunting industry but it is what’s happening in every other segment of outdoor and adventure sports too.
Arguably, this is happening everywhere with everything and it’s not limited to outdoor activities as well.
Either way. Yes, gear does matter but only so far. The real differences in people’s experiences relies almost solely in their knowledge, experience and mindset.
Thanks Tim
Wow! Channel is growing!
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Guilty, my day kit is dialed, but I now own one wall tent, one hot tent, 3 cold tents and they hardly get used… Big dreams but we almost always hunt out of our airstream boon docking 1 hour and bouncy jeep trail from our trailhead… 430am comes early, but the airstream is just so easy and comfortable, maybee next season we will rough it and as our daughter pointed out every elk we brought out was using our basecamp model, she doesn’t like the tents.
👍this is a great comment Ty… brings up something I didn’t hit on in the video but have run into a lot as a guide and on personal hunts… a lot of the time we are comfortable/effective doing a certain style of hunt but we still feel the need to have all the gear for other styles of hunting, in many ways this can be stressful and get us off track. Good luck this Fall… glad to hear you have your daughters in on hunts. Thanks
I stumbled upon your channel watching hunting videos. I cant believe I just now found it! I love your blue collar, everyday day joe , yet professional guide approach and philosophy to hunting. Good luck to you and thanks for the great info! New subscriber and looking forward to future content!
Thank you!
When I started hunting 10-12 years ago I didn’t even own my own rifle yet and I didn’t even start buying camo until couple years ago but my rifles today are some of the best with rifle scopes I mainly use leupold stsrted out with few vortex but they are subpar. I always wore jeans and a t shirt in the fall during hot archery hunts I wear shorts and tank top. I work on learning the animals and and trying to stay fit for my hikes watch videos of how professionals hunt and out there experience with my own and go out and learn. Good comfortable hiking shoes most important besides my rifle because I have wide feet haha
I go for comfort and quietness. Merino wool is my go to. One shirt, pair of pants and a wind jacket is all my camouflage as I can infinitely layer. Comfortable from 20c (70f) to -15c (0f). When it gets cold I throw the wind layer on over wool and or down. Warm just thin shirt. Mild just wind jacket etc….I’m fairly new to hunting but already had quality clothing from other outdoor activities so just use those. My hunting mentor wears blue jeans and red wool or fleece for moose and mule deer and tweed for upland. I would rather save my money to afford time off to be in the woods and fuel to get me there.
Man I glad you started this channel.
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best video yet. Boldly honest . I'm sure you hurt some feelers out there . The only thing I think you didn't say but implied is all about someone's pride . Thank you
You nailed it with the keys to gear being comfort and confidence. I will wear 3 or 4 different camo patterns at once on a bow hunt. I do not care so much about how I look to other hunters, but how my gear performs. And while I'm not an outfitter, I try not to buy anything at MSRP; patiently wait for sales, and add pieces to my gear when those sales arise. Not being brand biased helps here too.
Fishing lures are made to catch fishermen, not necessarily fish….
I am 100% with you on upgrading gear to upgrade.
I actually got told not to by a guide I have hunted many times with. I bought a .375 Ruger with a 20” barrel because it was dirt cheap, and put a 1” Leopold vx3 1.5x5 on it to fit within budget. This year I told Michael I wanted to get a 23” version of the rifle, and get the 30mm tube with a fire dot for my next trip.
He told me point blank “Eric, you have been bringing that rifle to Africa for years, and you it is an extension of you. I do shit with you I do with almost no one else because of that. I am getting to old to take chances with a rifle you aren’t as familiar with.
Great story! Sounds like a good guide 👍
Stansfield wool sweaters! I wore them on the fire line, falling trees in cold wet timber and in the attic when I worked on the ice roads. Cant beat that old gray rag that keeps you warm when wet. If I don't wear one hunting I have one in my pack, The functionality of it is better than any camo. I cant post pics in comments or else I would post the pics with last year's elk I had the stany on!
Couldn’t agree more on skill set being more important. I killed my biggest bull at 3yds with not a shred of camo on, and my bald head glistening in the morning sun. Reason being is because I showed up late to elk camp and wanted to get a early morning hunt in before unpacking all my gear, it sure taught me a valuable lesson.
Ha! Never know when it’s going to all come together
Great take! I buy gear that functions well for me and rarely change anything if I don’t have to.
Really appreciate your opinion and expertise. I'm a new beginning big game hunter, with a very small budget. It's hard to navigate what gear is essential and finding out the what and wherefore... this really helps level it all out for me. Thanks brother.
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I have an older bow (ancient, by some people's standards). But it still works so, unless someone comes out with a bow that will bring more deer under my tree, I'm happy to keep using it.
Good advice Cliff! It's funny that guys go out and spend hundreds if not thousands on gear, I see this in fly fishing all of the time. People are always shocked to hear about my fishing success and that I do it with old gear, middle road setups and just plain old average tactics. All of the that top of the line gear doesn't matter, it's all about time on the water. This year will be my third year deer hunting and I've tried to apply that same mind set to western backcountry hunts, spend as much time in the field hiking, backpacking, scouting and shooting. Keep up the great work, your videos have been huge for me in the last couple of months!
Thanks Joey!
Cliff,
Fantastic presentation and clear articulated thoughts. Thank you for this content! This only solidified my beliefs and will be archived for future presentation to my friends who may doubt this line of thinking.
Godspeed
Danny
Thanks Danny!
I just subscribed because of this video. I'm planning on starting to hunt once I move to Colorado next year and wow this video made me feel calm for the future.
welcome! good luck on your planning for next years hunt.
I grew up hunting in wool clothing. When your a kid and you learn what’s warm and what’s wet, you really begin to appreciate the leaps and bounds that the new “Tech” gear offers us hunters today. I absolutely love the shit, it’s layering systems are so nice, and it works. I came from the heavy, ice covered, sweaty, but warm days of wool. I have a formula that I follow on new gear. Take for example the “ puffy Jacket” that I really wanted for late afternoon glassing. It was a big expense for me because I have family needs before mine. So every year I buy one piece of gear, so I make it count. I study each brand, the fit, feel, comfort, compact to warmth ratio. Then I ask my wife for Christmas and birthday for this exact item, having already done my research. My extended family loves it, they all just pitch in 20, 40, 50$ whatever they want, and don’t buy me gifts I’ll never use. I’ve been doing this for 20 years and I use the living shit outa the stuff, and it’s still holding up. If it doesn’t for some odd reason, the companies are still small enough that they’ll repair it in the off season.
I grew up with wool myself. The only thing I don’t like about this new stuff is it’s not as tough as wool. I am constantly tearing it on brush and melting little holes in it near a fire.
Thank you Cliff! I guess I will get those 15x56 Swaro’s after all….and spend a lifetime perfecting my glassing technique with them.
I have hunted for years in my blue jeans t-shirt or hoody and a baseball hat with a plain Jane Ruger .270 with a tasco 3-9x40 and a $10 sling because when I bought the gun at 14 all I had was the money for the gun. My dad bought a cheap scope and sling and we put them on. I'm now 44 and I still use the exact same set-up. I know there is nicer stuff out there but I have killed so many animals with that set-up why change what works??? Good stuff Cliff.
LMAO you described all my Whitetail buddy's....I don't have the extra cash to go buy the latest and not so greatest gear. But I use the trusted and accurate bow, rifles and gear that I own from yesterday .... The only gear that I really spent the coin on was a kuiu pack system with pants and jacket. It was the best purchase I think I have ever made regarding hunting gear set up for what I do. My wife thinks I'm absolutely crazy, but she loves me, and respects my love for chasing critters.
I always find the material I want for a piece of gear i.e. gortex, puffy jacket, packable rain jacket or camo etc and buy the least expensive I can find. I still wear camo that doesn't match and have elk look right through me standing out in the open as the light colored camo pants and dark or green colored top break up my pattern. I made my own bugle tube out of a large wiffle ball bat. There are two areas I spend top dollar on though. Boots and backpacks. I don't hunt out of tents anymore...but if your back or feet hurt your ass will spend less time in the woods where it counts.
Interesting topic on buying hunting gear. The only place near me to buy brand name stuff is Cabelas in Dartmouth NS. I’ve been there and looked at a ton of stuff. Expensive stuff, me being practical I didn’t buy what I actually went there for.. My hunting clothes consist of 30;year old Realtree hardwoods camo quilted bibs and jacket. They keep me warm, so why buy new. I’m thinking there’s tremendous markup on that sort of stuff. Once again thanks for making the informative videos for everybody to watch.
Thanks Barry!
Totally agree! I've been say'n this for last 5 years. You heard here first- think about it, they're selling "the experience through the possession". Joe B
Pretty much! Great way to put it
I have a friend who set up his backpack based on a pack dump video he saw on RUclips. So even though we were only hunting about 800 yards away from where our campsite was he had a backpack with all of his sleep gear and jet, boil, and mountain house and all of that, I asked him why he was bringing all of that stuff and he really did not have that great of an answer. One thing that we need to take into consideration when we try to mimic what an influencer has in their pack is are they hunting the same style and under the same conditions that we are. ?
Thanks Cliff, when I’m sitting at work or home wishing I was hunting, it’s easy to get caught up in gear dreaming and spreadsheet shopping. But you’re right, once you have that base setup, something has to be really good to be worth buying and replacing something that you already know works. I’ve been trying to lighten my pack, but the price per pound savings is outrageous 😆
Great video! Personally, what you're talking about is one of the reasons I like to hunt with trad archery gear....it's already out dated by it's nature. So, " upgrading" to the newest tech just isn't really a thing. Plus, if I get skunked I can at least salve my ego with the fact that it was already really difficult to start off with ;-). I also like the Fred Bear quote " The best camouflage pattern is called sit down and be quiet! Your grandpa hunted deer in a red plaid coat...think about that for a second."
Thanks for putting out the content. You and Clay Hayes are the top of the youtube heap.
Thanks Jon! Love the Fred B quote!
Lightweight backpacker guru Ray Jardine wrote an article called "cannon balls". It was to make a point that folks fall into a trap of buying whatever gear the magazines promote. He made fun of that by joking that folks would buy designer cannon balls with the best names on them and carry them in their backpacks on the trail, Sarcastically saying that's what folks are doing instead of just carrying lightweight and useful gear. (Ray was one of the first backpackers to promote light packs and wearing running shoes instead of heavy leather hiking boots)
Really relate to the motorcycle comparison. Ive ridden and raced offroad moto for 35yrs. I believe in having only what you need. With a focus on reliability. Most of the money is spent on things you cant see.
My hunting setup is close to the same.
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I’d think the most important thing to invest in is your physical fitness, target practice, and sleep system. Being able to physically hike all your gear up/down a mountain Is not easy. Knowing how and when to dope your scope to make certain shots only comes from experience. Your sleep system makes your experience that you’re likely paying top dollar for more enjoyable. Other than that I think training in the boots and socks you’re going to wear while hunting is pretty important too so you know if you’ll get hot spots or blisters.
I almost wonder if you even need camouflage if you’re rifle hunting. Most game animals have shitty eyesight at best and rely more on sound and smell.
Great video. Things to think about. I would spend my money on the things that would keep me safe and comfortable if something went south like weather or injury. Being able to take care of basic human needs is way more important than a 4500.00 rifle:) After all now days budget rifles that come with a free scope shoot sub moa. I just proved that last week. Your safety is number one. And a successful hunt is number 2! Can’t have number 2 without number 1
Great perspective Mathew👍 very true
I still believe and wear the military woodland camo. IMO it’s very effective. I have noticed and will start trying is to use lighter colored camo. It seems to blend in better with most any terrain. I watched a video of a guy stalking a buck with what we would say is good camo but he stuck out like Sasquatch in the area he was in. You can add to the lighter camo for changing conditions. I’m the kind of guy that I won’t change something I like and comfortable with unless someone can show me different. I like your thoughts. Thanks
I'm a fan of beige and gray. In the fall, I think ASAT and 6-color chocolate-chip desert camo work best. I laugh when I see heavy winter hunting jackets in dark green camo patterns!
Awesome information straight talk and real. No disrespect, I only want to see you grow in subscribers and followers. I say that to say this. Please use less camera transitions.
I almost didn’t watch the whole video. BUT you had such good information I couldn’t stop watching/listening.
Good luck in all you do.
Hey Jason, really appreciate this kind of feedback. Editing the videos is a learning curve for me… don’t want them to be boring but at the same time don’t want to make them difficult to watch. This helps a lot. Thanks
Brother the content is Great. You are saying what a lot of hunters think and want to know especially novices. It is difficult when you first start out to decide what is with the money and what is not.
Good luck brother
Keep posting.
Jason
Some of the best hunting clothes I've ever bought have been from Walmart on clearance!!! 4 way stretch nylon camo pants & Shirts are The same materials as the big brands - ONLY 10X cheaper !!!!!
I have a pair of Swarovski NL pure binos. Yes. They were stupid expensive. But I'll never need to buy another pair of bino's.. Swarovski is the best period. I've found animals that my buddies literally couldn't see with there glass. But I agree with you on 90% of what your saying. IMO Bino's are one of the most important pieces of gear people need to spend money on.
That cowboy thing was funny😄. Why not go for it if you like it. I’ve noticed that people who are mean about stuff like that aren’t cool and it was a good indicator early on.
Mate, that was so well said and I needed to be said. Appreciate your honesty and acknowledgment of bias. Also thanks for just being real about sometimes wanting to just dress a certain was because you like it. So refreshing dude. Power to you! Z.
Thanks Zander! Appreciate the support
I can’t tell you how helpful it was to hear this. I find myself getting into the rat race if buying new gear. But I’ve lately found myself keeping the same gear year over year, and it gives me one less thing to think about. Life is complicated enough. Find good gear and move on. Thanks Cliff!
Glad it was helpful Billy!
This is an axiom for life, not just hunting. There are endless shortcuts to spend your money on to improve your health, finances, relationships, whatever. Rarely is that where the difference is made. Improvement starts from within.
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I tend to have a gear list that would have been similar to one of the 1950s through 70s. Keeping it light, enjoy the challenge ( skill) of leaving the training wheels at home. Man up and do it the way grandpa did. I agree with your attitude on this. I'm not trying to say I use gear of the 50s . I'll use the modern if it's better but as we all know some of the older stuff is better quality built.