Making a Cylindrical Grinder attachment for the surface grinder(and hopefully a cutter grinder)Pt2.
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Making a Cylindrical Grinder attachment for the surface grinder Pt2 (and maybe the cutter grinder). I make all my projects from whatever material I can find, this project is no different. (Appologies for the mouse clicks, don’t know why that happened).
I don't have any drawings to work from, because generally, I'm usually working on projects that don't have drawings or they are unobtainable. While I'm making the project, I record what I do and how I went about the process.
These projects are usually about something that I want to enable me to do or get something done easier or faster. I have measured every thing and raised drawings to issue for free via my website, www.thesheddweller.com.
Hello, I've watched a lot of videos about this profession, but I haven't seen a rational and professional person as much as you, I thought I was working myself while watching you, we use the same techniques, the same tools, in the same way. You do your job very fondly, I wish you success.
Hi, thank you for your very kind comments, thanks for watching.
Was a interesting watch for sure, exceptional ! Thank you for taking the time to produce the drawings and offering them to anyone, very generous.
Ken Shea Hi, I believe everyone should benefit from my project, after all, I wouldn't have published a video and I've had some drawings for free too.
Regards
This video was exceptional. Love watching it as much as I love watching TOT.
Hi, thank you for your very kind comments, but I dont think I’m in the same league as TOT.
Cheers TSD.
Very nice build and your timing is impeccable, almost like you have been reading my propjects idea list. Using your work as a starting point for the same device adapted to the dimensions for my Ingar RT618 will save my a heap of head scratching. If only I could give multiple thumbs up! Have subscribed and "belled" the channel and look forward to your up coming works. Cheers and greetings from NZ.
Hi, James. thanks for watching. I’m glad you enjoyed. I wonder if my next project will hit a spot or miss altogether. NZ, is a fabulous country, I’ve travelled all over it, and I mean all over. I would have loved to have moved there but I’m now too old to pack my own bags.
Incredible! What a fine and scilled technican.
That is an awesome attachment and I can’t wait to see what you end up doing with it.
Hi, me too.
Very well made my friend. I've worked with dovetails, and they are very involved from scraping and the final flaking processes. I really liked what you did.
Keith Monarch Hi, I've done hundreds, possibly thousands, of circular dovetail grooves in my time, similar to balance weight grooves on very high speed fans or rotor caps. My choice was get them right or find another job. Many times my sweat glands ran in to overdrive due to some of the tolerances. In that time, I never scraped or flaked any because that option was too time consuming and therefore costly. But, yes, scraping and flaking is a very skillful art, my skills don't include anything more than medaling with respect to this. Regards
@@Thesheddweller A final note, yes it's primarily for oil retention. And thank you for your great response. I'm now 62, learned the trades, from many years, just bought a decent Lathe and want to hobby things from utube. Some real cool stuff to make 😎.
Thank you , this project has been well thought out and built.A very useful addition to the workshop.
SteveD Hi, thank you, thanks for watching.
Best worker..and best tools.
Godbless you..from jakarta
hi, thank you, thanks for watching.
Hi Paul,
A very interesting build...
Take care
Paul,,
Will do.. Thanks
Very much enjoyed this. Would that I had discovered this channel years ago.
Hey, don't be in too much of a rush to catch up on my videos,... I can only manage one a month. cheers.
Excellent project, very innovative.
Thanks for sharing.
Cheers
Nicely done, looks like it will fit the bill. Nice that the belt drive turned out so nicely. Enjoyed, cheers!
Hi, thanks… that was a fluke with the belt gear, I know I put some time into the calculation, but that was all theoretical and could just as easily have gone wrong.
@@Thesheddweller Paul, I've seen charts on various vendors websites showing outer diameters for various tooth counts for gear belt drives. I know BANGGOOD have some and also McMaster Carr in the US. I'm sure you must have local vendors who have that information on their websites. Maybe Model Engineers Workshop site has them too or at least how to locate them.
It was a pleasure to watch you work and explain at the same time. It reminds me of my apprenticeship.
Thanks, Mr.
Absolutely brilliant. Gilles
Hi. Thanks. Cheers
TSD,
Thanks for the interesting vids. A cylindrical grinder build is in the plans so I enjoyed watching the journey. I am not familiar with the various designs and I must admit that I was rather skeptical of your flexture detail for adjusting the "tail stock" center. Then I saw the recent Harig video from Solid Rock Machine Shop and it has the same feature but Steve talks about using tooling balls in the end of the centers instead of cones. Smart idea, smart man. Worth a watch if you haven't seen it already. Thanks again for the vid and the plans.
John
Hi, thanks for watching. The reason I prefer dead centres, is, there are only two points of mobile contact (where the part rotates around a common centre point). With using precision balls as bearings, you will have the same precision, but potentially four mobile contact points and a bit of a fight on your hands when you are trying to load or unload the work piece, in what is possibly a very tight work space. There are many arguments for using both methods. I look at it this way, use dead centres for doing the work and balls for checking the work.
Regards
@@Thesheddweller
TSD,
Absolutely, I agree with your preference for dead centers. My thought was that using a flexture to adjust the alignment of conical centers could have an effect as the cones could be in disimilar planes. The use of spherical tooling balls as dead centers, instead of conical dead centers minimizes the misalignment. I am a total novice but it made perfect sense when Steve demonstrated it in his video. Although a newbie, one thing I have learned in grinding is very small things can have effects.
Cheers,
John
PS I also like the way your drive is independent.
This is the first video of yours i have watched. I love your style and subscribed. Thanks.
Hi, thanks for your kind comments.
Great project. Thanks for sharing
Hi. thank you. cheers
Interesting. Very nice work
Ottimo lavoro, complimenti! Un saluto dall'Italia
Very well done, good job! Regards from Italy
Ciao, grazie per la visione, saluti.
Thanks Paul great problem solving. Try the baked beans in ham sauce they are delicious.
Norm Esmonde Hi, sounds good. Thanks for watching.
Nice to see a RUclipsr using odd legs instead of abusing their Vernier.
And a Simpson fan too "DOH
Hi, Thankyou for your kind comments.
You mean hemophrodide calipers😁😁your right as an apprentice using a vernier as a scriber would deserve a thick ear..
@@dougiehogarth6652 there are vernier markers designed especially for scribing. The moveable jaw has been replaced with a scriber tip. Mostly intended for wood working but no reason it can't be used for metal too.
Hi interesting project look forward to some more episodes.
Hi, thanks for watching, I have many projects in the pipeline.
Great work Mr. Paul...like...greetings from Brazil
Celso Ari
Hi, Thank you for your feedback.
great work. i hope you are happy with how it turned out. Looks like it will be a really useful tool. If you are anything like me you will have already thought of a few improvements!
Machine shop at the bottom of the garden, everything could do with improving.
Great video! Thanks for sharing! I can't wait to see more
Hi, thanks for watching.
Very interesting project! I like the way you use layout die & scribe when making parts. For me, this is more intuitive.
Hi, thats good, I’ll probably use this more.
Brilliant!!!! Thanks for sharing
Hi, Thank you, thanks for watching.
WOW! Subscribed! Amazing work!
Hi thanks for your feedback.
Nice design and execution.
Hi, thanks for your feedback
great work thanks a lot for this, how you work is very similar to me, most of the stuff I do I just work off the top of my head and wing it, I've downloaded your plans and will first model it in 3dsmax though so i can check out roughly in my head how its going to work with my Union T&C grinder, I might have to make another head for it or adapter as there isnt a lot of reach for the grinding wheel, putting in software i cn also block out dimensions of the grinder and see how it will all work.
Hi, all the best let me know how you got on. Cheers
very good video..thanks for your time
Hi, thanks for watching.
Paul, A great build and well paced and suitably explained I am sure it has kept you sane during the 'new normal'. Did you ever get to replace the 'now broken a bit more' sewing machine? and chick peas are a great addition to the baked bean diet but keep the windows open!
Regards from an expat down under.
G,day, thanks I’ll remeber that. New sewing machine installed, (how else will I get my wife to paint my fabricated parts).
Good work, I like to watch
Hi, thank you.
A very good project.
Hi, thanks for your comments
Well Paul, I guess now that you've returned the motor to your wife's old sewing machine you can legitimately use the remainder for the die filer I suggested before.
I'm assuming you've bought her a new one since.
Also you said you needed a slotter. You have one. It's called your shaper. Go to Rustinox's channel and he'll show you how it's done.
Thanks for a fun video series.
Regards from Canada's banana belt.☃️🇨🇦👍.
I got her a nice new sewing machine. I need other stuff before getting a die filer and I have done slotting on my shaper.
nice project
Hi, thanks for watching.
Excellent! I like it!
MONSTER,GOOD TECNIC,THE BEST
Hi, thank you, thanks for watching.
Rumour has it, the sewing machine only needed a new fuse.
Oh……...
Subscribed. A backplate for a 4 jaw and or collet chuck would be awesome. How accurate is this across the whole length? and is the flexure enough to dial it in dead nuts true. I'd love to buy a jones and shipman cylindrical but can justify the cost right now and my needs are only small shafts and I already have a surface grinde.
A Jones and shipman in good condition will be worth every penny if it’s in reasonable condition. About £2 - £3 grand should do it. This little device I made was as true as I could measure with the kit I have. True to 0.002 best estimate between divisions using the grinders touch. You know what I mean..!
you need a sewing machine ?i have a singer built in 1951 electric or treadle with cast iron stand you come and collect it drawes works perfect. button hole maker the lot !
Hi, thanks for the offer, but I've just bought one, back in her good books... again. regards
Great Video good idea not to use the sewing machine motor with all that coolant around.. what kind of surface grinder is that? In all my 60 years working as a toolmaker I've never seen a grinder working g anticlockwise..
Hi Dougie, I have never seen a backwards surface grinder either, it’s an Eagle if that means anything to you and it's 3phase, it won't take more than changing two wires in the motor to reverse it but for some reason everything indicates the opposite direction even the arrows. There aren't any manuals or schematics for me to peruse for conformation either.
Regards
brilliant
paul rayner Hi thanks for your feedback.
👍, but 1belt (round) beter for grinding, not have pulses.
Hi, thanks for watching
cylindrical grinder i use at work, although in desperate need of maintenance the belt is standard V belt used on cars. and absolutely no problem with pulses although you'd think you would.
@@MrAirsoftmodz vee belts are standard on all industrial grinders whether cylinder, external or Internal. The bigger the cutting wheel the more belts used. My factory machine was a 6metre Urfurt with a 800mm x 100mm Wide wheel.
If your centres at not at 90 degrees to your wheel you will create a taper I believe.
Hi, if the centers are not at 90 then you get a concave (bobbin) effect. I showed this on the whiteboard at the beginning. regards
you said you bought a 24vdc motor and it's 3Amps and I noticed it says 120w
on the motor, that doesn't make sense, I just saw a 24vdc motor 100w and its
5.9Amps
Shed dweller (sorry, can't find your real name), please, explain to people about "grinding is very dangerous". It's not enough information to clarify. The only one dangerous part of grinding (except stupid things which people can do with anything) - stone explosion, but it's very hard to achieve. Even small metal lathe much more dangerous.
Thank you for sharing your job!
Hi,thanks for watching. I have seen the results of a stone explosion, it wasnt pretty.
@@Thesheddweller hi again. Yes, it is ) I just mean maybe grinding safety can be a good idea for one of your next video. Of course you no need to explode your stones ☺️
Magnetic chuck is also dungerous, especially for fingers.
@@VegaMaker Oh, you’re so right about that, magnets are worse than shears if they are mishandled. Maybe I can include some of the risks in future videos. I’ve got another lathe component project to get on with at the moment.
I remember doing a work experience week at a local engineering company when I was doing my GCE O levels. The first machine they put me on was a very large surface grinder. After a quick demo how to use the machine they left me to it. How things change...
@@PizzeyTechnology I had the same experience when I started my first day on the shop floor, I also remembered one guy that 'blew up' every machine he went on… somehow after the carnage and the dust cleared, he was always stood right on the spot without a scratch, still holding the hand wheel.
Very nice but motor sefty gard missing
Hi you're the first person to see this error and say anything about it. Yes, the guard is missing, I might get around to making one one day when I get some time. cheers, thanks.
i have a singer treadle/motor driven. sewing machine . and live fairly local should keep the wife happy regards laurence..
This is perfekt for Swingarmbearings ...
Great.
@@Thesheddweller app.:" great" paul ... i discover here somthing what explains "great" in a awsome impressing & mindblowing way: ruclips.net/video/mtV8Zu5EtUE/видео.html
хорошая приспособа!
Привет, спасибо, спасибо за просмотр.
Your shaper is a slotting machine.
Hi, yeah, I know, but I’m one for making stuff that maybe someone out there can make for themselves especially if they can’t afford or get tools they want.
How can you do the inner diameter grinding?
Look up FACE DRIVERS and you can eliminate your dog drve plate witch can get i your way then your grinding wheel and you will be able to grind full length of the shift. 🧐
Hi, thanks for watching, the face driver, if memory serves me right, has a live centre not a dead centre. On this device the driver plate is removable to attach whatever else one requires.
What kind of scribe is that he’s using to mark center
Vance Gunsmithing Hi, thanks for watching, I picked up this and a couple more scribes at a car boot (trunk) market, I believe they were old dental utensils. The tip is so sharp and hard that after straightening and re-hardening they make brilliant scribes.
It's give us only finishing. Not accuracy piece to piece..
Y-KING Hooks see my website for the drawings
buenisimo
Muchas gracias
@ 11:51Trepanning...? Parting, is more like it.
yes. but, they are the similar operation on a different plane.
@@Thesheddweller Facing is the same thing only on a different plane.
@@aubreyaub yeah, I cocked up on the description but that’s me being human,... and old.😁👍
@@Thesheddweller Sorry mate. I can be an arsehole.
@@aubreyaub no worries, It’s good that people do actually watch.
Sehr gut. Leider sehr mühsam.
Hallo, danke fürs Zuschauen.
Brilliant! Wanna sell it? ;-)
I gave the plans away for free to everyone, so you can make your own,... :-D
Slightly confused
You said you don't have a slotter then move straight to the shaper?
Virtually a slotter with a tooling change, I do know that a vertical slotter is handy for slotting since I have one but don't have a shaper yet
ruclips.net/video/RG3Zgg20w6A/видео.htmlsi=HgToQoppVW1uEQhw
Would like to apprentice machining from you,seems your disposition would suit being great teacher
Hi, I'm writing this reply again, because I can't confirm whether I sent the previous reply, sorry if I repeat myself.
I always say that there's nothing new in machining, just variations of old techniques.
I'm sorry about the confusion, I do have a shaper but, I don't have a (vertical) slotter (like the very big one we used at work) and I would like a small version, because it would remove the danger of leverage fracture that was close to happening in that video you invited me to watch above. My problem is while making these videos I forget to fully explain what I mean because there's no-one to question or query what I mean. sorry for the confusion. Cheers
@@Thesheddweller no problem
Great project, thanks for sharing
Rodney Kiemele Hi, thanks for watching.