Fixing the beat grid for old disco recordings
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- This video explains how you can correct the beat grid when you have old analog tracks that have varying beats duo to analog recordings. You see how a song with three different tempos can get straightened to use in mixes.
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flexible beat gridding in app! brilliant
It is not completely flexible, but by setting a few user beat markers, we calculate the position of the beats in between.
I know...fkn awesome program.
I am old enough to remember this song being released and featured on a Streetsounds Electro record. I wish those mixes got a new release. They are DJ history after all.
@1:50 giggle - that little "oopsie" moment is so cute :) some people would edit that out, but I think it's cool you left that in the finished video, makes it seem all the more authentic and real :)
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this is fkn awesome. As a producer, I used to go into Studio ONE to pin to "the grid" new artist recordings that weren't recorded to a click track. After straightening them out I'd take them into Bitwig but this is so much better than anything I have used (I have ableton as well). Also worth noting that Bitwig should be able to use ALS files exported from DJS.
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Great update! Thank you.
Wow.. I just brought the pro license.. can't wait to try this. Amazing..
Hope you enjoy it!
Thanks for the video. I’m going to try this process when I get to my computer. Hopefully this is the video I’ve been waiting for. I’ve been stuck on track 8 for 5 days trying to figure it out. Hopefully it works.
Yes, and if you see the whole track drifting constantly in one direction, then you should change the BPM. There is a BPM edit field on the right side of the play bar on the track tab in the studio.
Yes this is the video. All set Well on to the next track. Let’s see what other greatness this software has to offer. Thanks again
You're a genius!
That is very cool! I would like to see DJ Studio also being able import beat grids from VDJ/Rekordbox/Serato. Most DJs that play "real" music have already painstakingly beatgridded most of their old skool tracks. Please import those grids. Thanks! (Just got my license a few days ago 🙂)
We do! Unfortunately, a lot of people did not fix their grid in Rekordbox, so we imported bad beat grids, and people started complaining about it in DJ.Studio :-( So, we decided today to take our beat detection algorithm to the next level and stop importing the grids from external software that we don't control.
But could you please offer the option to use the manually crafted beatgrids some of us have already made in our DJ software? I mean, if your beat detection algorithm is so “next level”, why did you make this video on how to manually fix beat grids for old disco tracks?? As long as you can’t reliably detect the beats, then at least let us re-use the manual grids made in our DJ apps. This will save a lot of pain re-doing the grids in DJ Studio.
@@SuppeUrtthere's no software that can get a every track on point, too many reasons I can personally list but if they allow for them to be imported and it's not successful for everyone right now wouldn't be a good idea. It's too new of a company and the team is so small, it's better for them to hold off on a potential issue that cman cause for a bad outlook from the start.
I'm pretty sure within time they will be able to but this company is so new they might now have the developing team to support that bug or whatever the back end issue may be....
I am pretty sure if anyone can help them with the backend of this it'll be much appreciated and help move this forward to others as well!
Seem very easy to beat match old track ( similar to Acid Pro but mooooooore fast ) well done . Mixmeister was good but very confusonary especially the wave form
@@carlos_mann You seem to misunderstand what I am requesting. I (and many others) have spent a lot of time manually creating perfect beat grids in our DJ apps. An option to import those grids will be a huge benefit. It doesn’t have to be default. @djstudioapp replied, that they already are able to import, but because some DJs do not fix their grids, then nobody should have the option to import. That doesn’t make sense to me.
Thanks! Can you make an extensive explanation video for mixing old disco songs?
Ehh I thought I just gave you the key to mixing old disco songs. Now that the beat grid is fixed, you can mix the music into any other song. What exactly do you want me to show? And what songs?
@@djstudioapp Yes, thanks! But a real example with the transactions is always nice to see how exactly you do that and solve it.
@@happyweddingdjI agree this song was easy. It has a drum machine. Use a more complex disco track with changing tempos and a drummer 🥁
Thanks for this useful tip
Happy to help
This is awesome! You didnt mention how you can zoom :)
you can zoom with the cursor keys up and down or with the scroll wheel on your mouse. or pinch and zoom on your touchpad.
well thats one feature that works better than Mix miester did . it was very confusing , this seems very easy to manipulate
Once I've fixed the beat grid of a track, when I save the file, am I creating a new MP3/Wav/M4A which potentially degrades the integrity of the original recording or is there some some of 'beat grid' meta data written to the file? Also, if I edit grids on files first them import them to RekordBox, will it keep the beat grid I assigned?
Front end is a little counter intuitive. It would appear I'm always 'creating a mix'. I just want to edit individual tracks beat grids.
We do not touch the original file. We create separate beat grids. Fixed, variable, and AI. You can switch between these grids to find which suits you best. Or you can make your own manual changes, and it becomes a manual grid. We do export this grid to rekordbox for you. We are not a music library for fixing grids. That's why the front end only works from within the studio while you are crafting a mix. I understand you want to use DJ.Studio to fix your rekordbox grids? In that case, we would need to bring the beatgrid editor to the library.
@@djstudioapp Awesome. Thanks for some clarification. The beat grid component of DJ Studio is great! Much better than Rekordbox. How do I save the new beat grid I create back to Rekordbox then? You say “We do export this grid to Rekordbox for you”. I dont see any option to do that!
No ability for the software to listen to the track and automatically create markers in the correct place like other DAWs can?
Well that can be pretty complex and other DAW's also struggle with it. Ableton is doing a good job now, but that took them 15 years to get there. We are 6 months young.
Just bought my pro licence today, thanks to Laidback Luke, and looking forward to dive in.
Fixing the beat grid here, looks much more effective than the tedious work I'll have to do in Serato. As I still have mountains of unfixed grids waiting, I'm wondering, if DJ Studio is able to export the fixed grids into Serato, so I don't have to do double the work?
Hi Christian, At the moment we do not send anything back to Serato. Would be a good idea to do that in the future. First, we need to agree with Serato on a microsecond level about positions in the music.
@@djstudioapp This for the reply. Surely I don't know about the issues of integration. Perhaps a work-around could be an option to export a "copy" mp3, with beat grid data included (if this is even possible). Kinda like PlatinumNotes makes a copy of files, so you still have the original unprocessed as well.
Disclaimer: I don't know anything about programming etc. I'm just a DJ. :D
I really like DJ Studio but it's very frustrating that this problem hasn't been addressed in a more intelligent way. I don't want to spend hours aligning beat grids for every track I work with (mostly disco and live beats)
Surely a fairly simple task for an AI model to do automatically with just minor user input?
Fingers crossed for an update in future.
I agree with you. We started off purely EDM-focused. Now that we have more types of music, we are rebuilding our beat detection algorithm. We hope to release this new algorithm in the coming weeks.
@@djstudioapp that's fantastic news! Thanks very much for the information and hard work. This is a game changer!
Awesome software, im lost with pressing the left or right keys, what are the keys mentioned?
The cursor keys on your keyboard control the direction of the playhead. The up and down cursor keys control the zoom level. Space is play and stop and Esc is to follow the playhead. Shift cursor to select a block, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-v and Del. All the keys you need to make a cool edit and DJ mix ;-)
So if the song is currently at 118 for example.. and I want to techno it to Gabba at 140 Will those bm s stay?
yes! The beat markers mark the beats in the original track. The mix tempo is set in the Tempo lane. We cut the original track in pieces per beat and play them at the speed you want. going from 118 to 140 is no problem. We repitch the music to keep the same key and prevent stuttering in the vocals.
I seen a recent video showing a DJ hitting an ai button and it automatically warped the old track... Is that an update since this video?
Correct. We have a lot of updates since this video. Those disco tracks are now fixed with AI beat griding ;-)
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Is there a limited amount of User Beat Marker, that can be used in one song ?
No, You can go wild if you want ;-) We need 16 beats between markers to prevent you from accidentally changing the tempo of the song.
Can you then export the track so when it’s loaded into Rekordbox it’s perfectly on grid?
Yes, you can export it back to rekordbox, and we even add hot cue points for your set. We don't write the beat grid back to rekordbox. We assume you have your beat grid already fixed in rekordbox.
Is it possible to delete individual or all user beat markers if something went wrong?
Yes you can simply click a user beat marker to delete it
I have the trial version of the software and purchased it to fix the beatgrid of old songs that I have. I made all the corrections to the grid according to the video, but when I exported the file in mp3 format and when I loaded it into Traktor, the grid was wrong again. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong or could it be a limitation of the trial version?
We don't export the grid to Traktor. Only separate tracks as music.
I ran AI Beatgrid across the song, disabled the limiter and exported the single audio file as a Mix to WAV file format.
I did this with several old 70's classic songs. I then loaded the tracks into Traktor 4 and their beatgrids were 100%.
I also loaded the new created WAV file (with AI adjusted beatgrid) back into DJ Studio library.
I then right-clicked on the track and exported as an ableton stems file, basically a zip file containing the 4 separate wav files.
I unzipped the wav files into a folder and loaded the drums wav file into traktor. The result was 100% accurate beat consistent throughout the length of the track.
How much is this DAW? Kinda reminds me of Maschine DAW
We have a extended cyberweek discount where you can buy the pro one off license for 149 with 2 years of updates and support included.
My Dj studio is not doing this. I put my 1st beat then when I relocate mi second beat that moves the whole beat grid
User Beat Markers need to be 16 beats away from each other to prevent accidental changes of the tempo. If you think they need to be closer then the tempo of the track is wrong. You can change the BPM on the Track tab on the Studio page.
@@djstudioapp I DJ Latin music and some old songs are not recorded with metronome so the beats are not consistent. When I see the video I thought dj studio was able to flexible beat grid. I don’t need all the grids perfect may be 16 beats increments works.
Thank you
Sorry sir but this is not a disco song. Please verify Genre and adjust.