The Best Grand Seiko 2021 White Birch - move over Snowflake!
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Correction. Lug width / bracelet are 22mm wide.
Yes same as the SLGH003 the limited blue version and tapers to 20mm.
No incremental sizing on the go in the bracelet is a no go. Sorry GS. next time.
And it tapers to 20mm.
39mm Case and 22m Lugs? Thats a surprise
@@eingram141 It's a 20mm case with 22mm lugs that taper to 20mm.
I’m just glad to see they don’t have the lion logo on a case back obscuring the view of the movement. Never understood why they did that.
They have, but its just visible under a certain angle
It's very faint but it's there, I have three GS and all three it's barely noticeable.
It has a Lion logo, it’s called a ghost Lion
looks way cooler than those limited edition colored logo
I think its fine. Only wish they would center the damn thing if they were going to put it on. Same thing with the crown...
Zenith, Tag, Chopard, Girard Perregaux all have movements somewhere in their lineup that beat at 36,000 or even higher (chopard's at 57,000, also COSC). Even Zodiac and LOngines had 36,000 hi beats back in the day. 36,000 is nice but isn't unique to GS, but Spring Drive is, so yea, I too would prefer Spring Drive.
And lmao @ anyone daft enough to think Spring Drive is a quartz watch
Grand Seiko addressing the thickness of their mechanical movements is definitely a good thing. More important to me than the extended power reserve.
Still need to work on their bracelets, though.
That’s really the deal breaker for me with the brand. The bracelets. They are subpar.
100% the bracelets need to look better and these would be no brainers
According to Tim Musso, this new bracelet is as good as Rolex.
@@dirkdiggs according to Tim Musso, this new one is very good
ive never worn a GS but this comment just made me think about how there isnt a single brand i havent seen at least one person knock their bracelets. Definitely just need to try them on
The snowflake is much more subtle, and if I go for GS, I would take a Spring Drive as its unique to GS. You can get a hi-beat movement from other brands.
Most people don’t have any idea what an amazing invention the Springdrive is. If everyone in the US and Europe had a Springdrive it wouldn’t light a lightbulb.
Does Rolex have a hi beat movement? 36000 beats?
That 80 hour power reserve on a hi-beat movement is quite something, though.
@@remycris2108 I don't think so, but other brands do. Zenith for example.
@@malikknows3510 No doubt about it. I just meant that for me the uniqueness of the spring drive technology would be the reason to buy a GS.
The finishing on that high beat movement is spectacular
Definitely prefer this over the snowflake! I’m not the biggest titanium fan!
Whats wrong with titanium?
@@GneX4Ktb nothing i actually love titanium knives but I like my watches to have a little weight and also I prefer the finishing of steel over titanium on watches. So to answer ur question, nothing wrong with titanium just preference
@@just-inedc2381 thanks👍
Not all snowflakes come in titanium.
With regards to case finishing and dial design, I think the White Birch is absolutely PHENOMENAL!!! Definitely my favorite designed Grand Seiko! The 80 hr. power reserve is definitely a plus as well.
I checked out the White Birch at the dealer today and even the best video on YT fails to capture the beauty of the dial. I've never been a fan of GS but this watch is fantastic.
Right branding move for the channel to bring back “drinking coffee, talking watches”, not sure why you walked away from it for a while 👍🏻
Thanks mate. I just like the change things up. 👍🏻
@@BarkandJack change? How can change be part of life. Not acceptable 😁
This movement is spectacular. I have the slgh003 anniversary. The very first SS GS with this movement
After white birch and so many other beautiful limited editions, the snowflake is still the icon of GS, just perfect
Traded in my Snowflake for the White Birch after seeing it in person. Loved my snowflake, but always felt it was too thick. Also love the Springdrive technology, but this new escapement.......brilliant! Now I wait for it to arrive!
I love GS and everything they’ve done over the years. Great seeing watch channels give the brand the attention it deserves.
Great video. One correction. The spring drive is far more accurate then your average quartz watch. The highest end ones can be orders of magnitude more accurate then a G-Shock. Obviously they lose on power reserve, but as long as they are worn, they are extremely accurate.
I edited out a large section about comparing spring drive to the 9f quartz which is far more accurate. But you’re right.
@@BarkandJack yea, GS quartz are insane. Both using the highest quality crystals Seiko grows, with the 9f having the advantage of temperature compensation. That, along with a lot more power on board from the battery then the power generator in the spring drive. However if you truly care about that level of accuracy, get a smart watch, or a solar powered GPS watch. For me, the reason I own a GS Spring Drive is two fold. One is the dial side finishing is Patek level, and the second is no other watch in the world has a sweeping hand, and I love knowing the technology in my watch that creates that effect, is one of a kind to Seiko.
The only down side, is I have the dress watch variant, as I really don't like the case shape on the snowflake (this new one is a bit better), and I don't dress up much. I need to find a way to dress it down.
@@TheRealMafoo I wear my snowflake on colorful suede straps. It really gives the watch a whole new look. you should give them a go.
@@vgcamara Yea, I really should do that.
I've had my Snowflake for 14 months. I reset the time on the 1st of each month and it has been consistently 1 second fast each month.
An absolutely beautiful watch! While I am attracted to the uniqueness of the Spring Drive, the mechanical drive on the 'White Birch' is very attractive aesthetically and mechanically. The design of the dial is incredible and lives up to its name. I have to agree that the White Birch will give the Snowflake real competition, at least for those that can afford it.
I Love the dials and the Finishing of the GS Models. What I just don‘t like are the bracelets and Clasps Grand Seiko is using...
the non-taper does annoy... the clasp though is fine imo because it is relatively thin and comfortable and is still rigid enough
Why is a tapered bracelet such an issue?
@@mitchellsumpter4807 Not a huge problem for me but a tapered bracelet does look less chunky and therefore more elegant imo
Everyone knows Grand Seiko is a pathetic brand for worthless dogs / soyboys.
This is almost perfect. The dial, the movement, the case design and size. The toned down polishing so it doesn’t look like you’re wearing a mirror on your wrist. That bracelet though, it’s a shame it doesn’t taper, and the clasp still doesn’t have any sort of micro adjustment.
Honestly though, I still think I’ll head over to Glasgow to check it out when the lockdown is over. I think it’s one of the prettiest watches (front and back) I have ever seen, especially for that price point.
Great video as always!
the bracelet tapers from 22mm to 20mm. i don't like this one. I'll take spring drive over it any day. also, it is too small. the sbgc223 kills it.
I got to see this watch in person recently. Absolutely stunning, and multiple leagues above anything I've seen under 10kUSD. Including other Grand Seikos in that range.
yet 99% of the high end watch market is made up of status snobs so they aren't going to buy a seiko for USD10,000.
@@zatarawood3588 you'd be surprised. Super high end Nissans, Chevys, etc. sell quite well to car snobs. Grand Seiko's growth in the last three years alone has been huge, word of mouth travels fast.
@@zatarawood3588 that being said, yeah no one is going to take Rolex's crown anytime soon. Not for at least a decade or two. Whoever is in charge of marketing Rolex did a damn good job of indefinitely ingraining it into everyone in the world's mind that Rolex equals success and "you've made it"
@@sylinmino true and we are social animals, we care what the herd thinks of us. Which is why wearing an £8k sub will carry more kudos than a far far higher quality £8k GS...but in reality the only person who knows if you made it is you. And let’s be honest if you love quality watches The GS is a far better watch than a mass produced sub. If someone judges you for wearing a Seiko, I think it says more about them than you.
@@AttilatheMike don't get me wrong btw, I'm not slighting Rolex or the submariner either (hell, the submariner is leagues ahead any diver Grand Seiko is currently making). Was more just pointing out to the popularity discrepancy and pop culture significance that can't be changed without possibly decades backing you up.
I might get flak for this, but the "old" hands are so much nicer than the new hands on all the new hi-beat models.
THIS IS TOO REAL! I'm so excited about GS right now and everything they are serving us. White Birch dial is shit hot.
Spring Drive is not a mechanical quarz movement, it is a mechanical movement with a quartz control feedback loop
Incredible! When GS get their bracelets and clasps on point and launch a competitive and well proportioned 40mm diver, they're gonna be unstoppable!
why would you want a 40mm diver? i love the sbgc223 chronograph, it ia a spring drive with diver looks and 46mm.
I tried it on in Kyoto today. Was absolutely stunning and is certainly my dream watch!
Texted my AD immediately after watching this, might overlap a bit with my OP39 white but I don’t care. This is too good
I saw this watch in person just after I had put a spring drive on lay-away. Boom! Now, I'm on the "List" to get a White Birch! An amazing dial that the video doesn't even come close to showing how incredibly cool it is! My analogy is like going from mono to high fidelity stereo. This watch POPS!
Grand Seiko is doing phenomenal work with those dials. I think it’s like art on the wrist.
Oh my lord that dial. I love how you talked about the hour hand continuing the design with the markers. I need to save up for this one.
This watch is certainly amazing. Fair price I think. The finishing, the amazing dial (I wonder how much work goes into that), awesome new movement that has made technical innovations. I actually think this watch will look great on a black leather strap. I believe it will hold its value too. Crazy to me that people will pay more for an 2005 Pepsi Rolex GMT or a 2021 datejust when you can get this.
OMG, This is the most beautiful watch that I have ever seen in my life, I can only see the value of this watch go up in years to come, maybe double in price, breathless.
I was lucky enough to try it on last week it’s incredible.
Having tried one on at the GS boutique in NYC, the dial texture is stark with a lot of metallic contrast. In certain situations it could be a bit much. I also found the brushed bezel to be both fascinating to catch the light, but also distracting. Amazing piece, of which GS is getting more and more of.
I'm so glad that I found this channel. Love it, love it, love it!
Thank you for amazing content.
Thanks so much for watching. 🙌🏻
I like the Snowflake much more. I find the dial cleaner, even with the power reserve. The White Birch dial just seems busy and i hate the "cut off" handles. Also i just love the sweeping second hand on the spring drive,
This video had an influence on me. I’m very glad it did, sitting here wearing my SLGH005. It’s stunning. The watch is very elegant and the movement is very interesting and is running 3 1/2 seconds fast for the most recent two weeks. I wanted something very special to commemorate my 65th birthday and long career and this watch is immensely satisfying. I can’t understand the comments that the watch face is too boldly defined and instead find it very subtle and refined.
I'd rather have a spring drive or a quartz from GS rather than an automatic, thats definitely their USP to me. Just need an overhaul for their clasp and I'm sold!
The white birch and the rikka will make a perfect 2 watch collection.
Great video and a great watch. I love that movement so much. I own the Snowflake and I'm a fan of the more subtle dial, but I agree, would love it in Steel or a little thinner.
The Birch is so beautiful, I really could see myself wearing one 24/7. It oozes class and style.
Keep the videos and tutorials coming, good Sir. As I truly enjoy your channel over most of the others I watch. No disrespect to other channels of course.
Kind regards Rikki
I think the price is merited. People need to get it in their heads that Japan can match a lot of European brands. Cheers!
I agree, Credor has been punching their watches right up with Patek and A. Lange. It’s just incredible that a country with little horological heritage can rival and MATCH against a country that has a rich rich heritage.
I never felt fully happy with the power reserve indicator in the dial of the snowflake, but that new one is just GORGEOUS. New grail I think.
I love this Grand Seiko White Birch, finally GS have improve the thickness of their watch. What i like the most is the dial, its just so beautiful.
Yeah the dial really is cool. This one wears so well.
He’s right about the snowflake. If it was in steel I would buy it. Titanium looks good and seiko have done an amazing job. But I like my watches to have a bit of weight
Fantastic face, although I wish it were a white dial to reflect the essence of birch. I also agree that if this band would have been tapered it would move GS to the next level. Stunning movement, and can't wait to see this collection in person, but I know that I'll have to be patient since these are rare at the moment. Great video.
I tried this watch on yesterday, it’s spectacular in every way, it’s a bit more in your face than the snowflake, you certainly don’t need to catch the light with it to show it off. I was in the AD to buy a 9f but this has really got me thinking.
I’m loosing track on the amount of times you change your side parting Adrian lol . That new dial does look insane . I really liked the black version too - keep up the great vids
This new GS is simply amazing. That dial is mesmerizing and gorgeous ❤️
I still love my snowflake, but nice review.
I have the SBGA413 Shunbun and I love it too. But I saw this White Birch in person and trust me, it's on another level. The good news is it doesn't suddenly make your Snowflake obsolete though.
This dial is even more stunning in person. I do agree that if you want a more understated aesthetic then the Snowflake is still better. When the light hits the White Birch dial, it can almost compete with diamond-studded watches.
I'll take spring drive over hi beat any day
same. true smoothness. also for 36k vph I'd get a Zenith honestly
@@pizza.doctor I have a Zenith chronomaster. It’s awesome accurate. I like the GS high beat too. Quartz does nothing for me in a luxury watch.
The hi-beat is an incredible movement. It outperforms almost any Swiss watch in terms of accuracy.
But the spring drive is on a another level.
I have an SBGA285 and spring drive movement kicks ass.
I agree!
Spring drive is so but so advanced and unique that no company in the planet, not even any high tech Chinese Co., was able to copy the movement after years.
LOVE this watch! I am getting a Grand Seiko this year and you just helped me to make up my mind as to which one I want to get. Love the size, love the fact the case is stainless steel, love the fact it's NOT a Spring Drive but has a new GS movement. Love the 80 hour power reserve but let's be real here... LOVE THE DIAL!!!!! The white birch tree this dial is emulating actually grows all around the GS facility it was designed in. Also, the bracelet. I asked a GS rep about the bracelet and the lack of micro adjustments. He said GS believes the watch needs to be perfectly balanced and in harmony with the bracelet and so they have created the bracelet with "half-links" so you can size it perfectly to fit your wrist. Thank you for a wonderful and informative video. The ONLY thing I thought you could have improved on this one, you said this show is about watches and coffee (two of my loves) and that was the last mention of coffee in the entire show. TY again Adrian for a GREAT ten minutes and fourteen seconds!
The art is unbelievable
A really great review, I own the Snowflake which is an amazing watch I get mesmerized every time I check the time the second hand sweep just draws you in. I've considered the White Birch but just prefer the hands of the Snowflake. You never know I might get tempted to invest in the White Birch later.
Dude, you gotta wait for the new four seasons collection in September; the fall watch is just magnificent!
which one is that watch ( the fall) ?
@@RickyRicon2023 it's the sbge271. The one in black with yellow highlights
Probably the most 'perfect' watch I have seen. The movement looks and sounds amazing. Now all I need is some amazing watch pocket money.
I feel like that’s gonna be the snowflake replacement. But that movement alone will make it worth its price
A great explanation by Rob. I actually understood it. Thanks guys.
Grand Seiko just came out with a whole new movement, put it in a watch under $20k, slimmed down there case profile, and upgraded the movement finishing and oh yea created a new dial. But the bracelet is the sticking point. The watch world is funny. These guys continue to impress. Hats off.
Great video Adrian!! Smart to pop in a GS expert to talk about the movement. Nice touch. I agree with your assessment on GS’s trajectory. Rolex had a terrible bracelet for decades also.
i do prefer the sweep of the snowflake.
but that mechanism is definitly something next level.
I prob still lean towards the snow flake. The level of finish on GS is amazing.
Tapered bracelet, no date, and a flat white dial- would be perfect for me to pull the trigger on this!
Just an amazing movement, dial and finish. Astounding that it runs at 10 beats per sec and has such a high power reserve.
The best value for a quality timepiece on the market today. And I dont think it will take 5+ years for GS to make its mark. They are growing exponentially as we speak. Great review Adrian. I especially enjoyed to 3D movement illistrations. 👍🍻
I'm with you on the lack of taper on the bracelet, but other than that, bloody hell that's a brilliant watch.😍
It really is awesome.
That new GS is amazing but I still get the snowflake any day because of it's superior movement.
The Hi-Beat technology is impressive. You don't get this kind of innovation from the Swiss, besides Patek but your paying 3x the price at least.
Yeah you do.
Well done, GS, well done! That dial as well as the movement look soooo good!
Not that I’m even close to being able to afford any Grand Seiko luxury watch but I think I might prefer the lightweight of the titanium Snowflake. I do love the heft of my steel Orient Kamasu but whenever I put on my other, lighter watches it feels very freeing from a wearability standpoint.
I'm sure you'll buy it
I look forward to the Grand Seiko 2022 Palm Tree dial inspired by Okinawa. Move over, white birch!
Love this watch. Feel myself being drawn to it despite the fact I would normally consider 40mm too big, despite the fact, like you I'd prefer a better tapering bracelet and despite the price. OK, that last one possibly rules it out unfortunately, but it's close to making it onto the grail list.
Its gorgeous. And the proportions on the case look so much better than the snowflake. Great video!
Great Watch love the White Birch
Snowflake ❄️ just melted.
Also liking the Summer Dial and Spring Dial.
I just picked this watch up yesterday. I absolutely love it. I came to my dealer to put my eyes on the ivory GMT, I was all but sold on it. I was heart broken upon seeing it in person, although the detail of the finish appeared to be present as it is in the zoom videos I watch on RUclips. Only problem was that it was all too small for me to appreciate. I have had been drawn to GS for awhile but was usually disappointed in the bracelets as well as the weight of most models being titanium. Superior metal or not, I can’t spend thousands on a watch that has the weight of a digital Casio. I was torn between Birch and green and white sub dial gmt on leather strap. Once I was handed this watch I had no hesitation spending an additional 4K usd. I even went as far to have them size my white date just Roman to fit my wife’s wrist. I told her that this will be the only watch of this style I will be needing
Congrats. It’s such a great watch and the details on it are amazing.
I am in love! How GS manage to continually outdo themselves I do not know. PS, agree with the 'hate the power reserve' concept. I know there is more to this but I wish they would take the plunge and stick it on the back - or, dammit, just get rid of it! I have a SARX055, part of the Presage range, and we get on just fine without a power reserve.
Everyone always talks about the Daniel’s coaxial in the same breath as Omega (and rightly so) GS and all of their innovations (spring drive not withstanding) never seems to get the same love - perhaps because a corporation does not have the same narrative value as a sole watchmaker on an island working away on his opus.
I completely agree. And that’s why I think GS has a lot of work to do when it comes to branding. The product is great and but the image is not so.
shinji would disagree
Not really. If you look closely, you'll see that the Grand Seiko escapement is a half-assed hybrid of a Co-axial and a Lever escapement.
@Just watch the animations on how each of the 3 escapements deliver the impulse and you'll see what I am talking about. If you had known better, you'd also know that Roger Smith has invented a single wheel 'co-axial' escapement. If this doesn't convince you that the way the impulse is delivered is more important than the wheel arrangement, I don't know what will.
A love the fact of no more power reserve on dail, it is a scar on the magnificent work of art.
Gorgeous watch, but I don’t like the cut off hour hand.
Thanks for that explanation of the movement, Rob. That direct and indirect impulse escapement looks neat.
I'm getting tired of hearing limited edition! A while ago I was considering a Snowflake but I couldn't find one. I bought a new fireplace instead. Enjoy your show.
Haha. The fireplace sounds more useful. 👍🏻
The Snowflake and White Birch are both not limited edition! They'll be staying in production for a while!
Not limited edition and quite easy to find one.
Hi beat is incredible. Love the watch but it’s no snowflake. Snowflake is and will forever be Grand Seiko’s icon.
It's a shame you won't give the seamaster bracelet a chance. It's wonderful.
Branding his own straps
I bought the Sky flake, steel watch with blue face and crocodile strap, it’s the beez neez, I love it.
Spring Drive crisis coming for the Swiss watch industry. All this innovation we can see that the Japanise are much better in watch making when they put themselves to it, and Grand Seiko has not been long in the Game and look what they have created already.
Takes the texture of the snowflake and dials it up to luxurious indulgence. Size, polishing, lack of power reserve meter, all add up to the best Grand Seiko has in its catalogue.
I agree the heft of steel is just perfect for a watch. Remember the night vision goggles in Jurassic Park - “Are they heavy?” “Yeah.” “Then they’re expensive, put ‘em back.”
The Dials of GS deserve a museum all on their own
I hope it isn't too hard to get hold of. The last thing we need is another Rolex in the market.
My thoughts exactly. Brands should be jumping on those who are fed up with the Rolex situation.
Would rather get an IWC omega JLC.... Rolex staffs are pretty stuck up too in my country. (obviously an Asian country haha)
@@BarkandJack Honestly as much as I would love to get a sub, if I cant just walk into a dealer and pay retail to purchase one I'm not interest. Totally understandable for halo products of a brand to be on a preferred client list etc. but for a steel sports sorry they've just lost my business.
If your UK I'm GS AD happy to help, insta @clockonawrist
need a new version of this watch with tapering bracelet and no chopping of hour hand. your reviews are bang on. cheers.
This watch essentially has Moser finishing with George Daniels type of watchmaking. Worth $10K in my opinion. Though, the yellow gold and platinum versions are very overpriced.
I also thought the escapement was very much inspired of the omega co-axial...I'm sure this will not leave omega very happy
@@artblend4278 Especially because the George Daniel escapement cannot go higher than 25,200 vph because it wears off fast, whereas this is a 5Hz movement.
I believe you mean special escapement. GD's watchmaking is wholly handmade, not something GS achieved.
@@leyay7540 Yeah, I mean it in a technological regard.
At first I was like ok another nice looking GS, no big deal. But then you showed that movement. Most of their movements are never this decorated. They really are going for another level. It is Hi-beat and looks good with a clear case back (unlike Rolex). Wow!
Indeed this "white birch" watch has reached a milestone in creating something that is as desirable as a Rolex, both movement and dial are stunning. I never liked the snowflake, the titanium case made it look dull and feel cheap, the snowflake dial looked like filter paper from a chemistry class, and I like a watch that ticks.
This is another level above rolex and omega. Extremely beautiful. Wish the price is more accessible.
It could be if it had a better bracelet and clasp
Taper absolutely needed on this one, I can live with it on my Seamaster but this feels much more dainty and versatile - the sculpting on the inside of the lugs makes a massive difference over the Snowflake
Adrian deserves a cut on these, he sold me when i wasn't even considering this watch...
For me the news flash is how tightly thinner it is compared to previous models. Under 12mm's is excellent!
p.s. Seiko bracelets might be the final frontier.
Lots of RUclips channels jumping on the bandwagon. It's hilarious
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Which bandwagon?
Are you seriously suggesting GS is not worth talking about, by a watch journalist, or anyone?!
@@mr_watchaddict3146 Ow yes Grand Seiko sure is worth. I know. I own one
Never really been into watches.... Appreciate how good this video is though. Great explanations, loads of closeups and then bonkers good when you got your mate from GrandSeiko on camera. Nice work fella 👍
This is awesome! My only question would be if Grand Seiko woul ever include this new movement in a sub-8000 watch when the technology gets older
I think if GS had there way, they would no longer make a sub-8000 watch, so I would not hold your breath on that one. Your best bet will be second hand in a few years.
@@TheRealMafoo That's simply not true. Dozens of GS models fall under $8k. It's a significant market and if you're going to be only producing $8,000+ models you start competing with some heavy hitters.
GS will continue to make sub-8k watches, the question is whether this new movement will ever be included in that collection - which is yet to be seen.
The white birch is absolutely gorgeous
Stop showing these Grand Seiko, I have 2 and I want to be able to buy more in the future!
I was thinking the same thing. I have one and it’s probably my favorite watch. I have been thinking about getting a high beat. The 72 hour ones, should be able to be bought at a discount. Of course I want the 80 hour.
@@rickjason215 The hi-beat is almost as smooth as the spring drive, I have the SBGH269, it’s just 55 hours power reserve, crazy accurate and the sweeping seconds it’s beautiful to look at.
Of course , I know very well, because I had a spring drive.
@@Sef211 My Rolex AD said he would get me a Sub and to call him if I want it. I have divers and I don’t flip my watches and too be totally honest, the GS is a better watch. What’s the warranty on the Hibeat?
@@rickjason215 I’m not sure but I think 2 years.
@@Sef211 I was thinking 3 at most. This is what worries me. At that price, they should give 5 years.
This White Birch is incredible as was your review of it @BarkandJack!
This thing is so close to perfect and I am stunned by the engineering work they've put into that High Beat movement. I love it.
I'm a big fan of Omega but I piece like this, if I could buy one with clear conscience would be in the Grail category for me.
There's the snag, I suppose? 8,000 pounds is a monster price tag and this is probably worth it given the price other watches sell at, but I feel the watch market has run relentlessly in the upward direction for too long - past the point of reason.