The Admiral was actually the most qualified person for the job. His men were just idiots and borderline uncontrollable. And the Kamchatka made every worse.
Fun fact, the admiral on the Japanese side was a samurai (sword ,black powder cannon and all) back when he was a kid. This war still had the generation that was forced to open to the world by the Americans.
The other fun fact, one of the combatant on Japanese side is Lt. Isoroku Yamamoto who lost 2 fingers due to an accidental explosion of an 8" shell. Had he lost one more finger, he would've been medically discharge from the IPN and the world history would've been very different.
Japanese were buying their new stellar ships from British, and Britain had good relations with Japan. The paranoia came from "what if" Japan ambushed them with their fresh vessels from Britain.
In fact, Russian Baltic squadron was utterly obsolete and made up of various outdated leftovers, and it was the last ditch attempt to influence the war, as the Far East Fleet was damaged and trapped in the harbour by the Japanese, and the Russians thought they could relief them with the Baltic squadron sneaking from behind.
@@NorthonBruce Tbh, you're overstating obsoleteness of the ships, some of the ships were nearly brand new, some were older and obsolescent but still useable, and some were of only limited use, but they weren't exactly hopelessly outmatched by Japanese fleet in terms of ships. The reinforcement fleet that Russia sent through Suez on the other hand that has been sent to add numbers, that one was hopelessly obsolete and completely useless. While at disadvantage in terms of ships, the reason why they got so completely overwhelmed was poor crew training. Additionally, due to a lucky hit, the Russian admiral was injured and incapacitated early in the battle, making the situation even messier for Russian fleet.
When it was the Soviet Union, it’s military was decent. Not amazing, but it was at least able to fight and move competently. And many of their best troops were Ukrainian.
keeping in mind that russia lost a military ship in an encounter against a romaninan sheeptransportship in 2017, i guess there were not much changes done in their training routine.
The reason why warcrimes should not be ignored is that it only feeds the radical movements and leads to worse treatment of your own pow's... Just imagine how many sailor's from the Allies were killed by the aftermath of the laconia incident... And somehow the people responsible got meals for that... If you are not familiar then read up un it, its actually quite disturbing.
Yeah, the point of rules of war isn't to be "nice." It's to avoid unnecessary brutality that drags out the fighting and leads to a lot more dead and crippled people on both sides, and in general makes the war messier for no real gain. Why don't we shoot hospital ships? Because then ours are fair game and no one gets to have hospital ships anymore. Why don't we execute prisoners or surrendering enemy forces? Because if they don't trust you to accept a surrender or treat them with dignity, they'll fight to the bitter end every single time. Same goes for false surrenders, you'll punk them once or twice and then they'll just put you down every single time after.
Small fun fact about the comment at 5:25 indeed Japan didn't do anything in the Atlantic or Mediteranean sea in WW2, but during WW1, as Japan was allied with the Entente they sent destroyers to Europe to help counter the Austro-Hungarian submarines. They did so with distinction.
Naval battles aren't as simple as "point and shoot". You need to consider physics like how far the shells will travel before hitting the water. And sometimes the shells will bounce off the surface of the water if they're traveling too quickly
I saw from a comment on another video that the conscripted peasants were brought in from the middle of Russia, meaning they might not even have seen a large lake before, let alone an ocean. It would be a shock to find out they could swim. I think they had all the reason in the world to be scared.
14:07: Most of the japanese warships at Tsushima were at the height of technology of the day, actually. They had commissioned them from british shipyards.
Actually, firing from ship cannons on distance of several miles, on a moving platform to moving target is not so easy. You have to calculate a lot of factors to determine right point to shoot where you want to hit. And yes. This Baltic Fleet was full of inexperienced and untrained crews.
One mistake here: the British didn’t revoke their access to the canal. Some of the ships were just too big to fit, so those ships went around Africa while smaller ships went through the canal
Well, we Russians have always been stronger on land than at sea. In addition, at that time, Japan's technology in the fleet was better than ours (for example, the Japanese used new, more deadly projectiles). Also, it was not much easier to transport troops by land than by sea from European Russia to the Far East. There was only one railway leading there, the transfer of forces to the theater of operations was slow. In general, as our Finance Minister Witte said:"It was not the Japanese who defeated Russia, not the Russian army, but our orders, or rather, our boyish management of the 140 million population in recent years." Our rotten Romanov dynasty started a "small victorious war" to distract the people from the problems inside the country. Now it seems to be the same.
It’s nice to see Russian comment from someone who isn’t afraid to be honest and hasn’t been influenced by propaganda. although I bet all the other comments that praise Russia are probably from bots I wonder how many people are influenced by propaganda and support the invasion
One thing to note about the battle of Tsushima is that the Japanese were markedly more advanced than the russians, the 1st pacific squadron that the Japanese trapped in port Arthur were more or less on par but got out manuevered and were outnumbered as well. The Squadron assembled from the baltic fleet however was the dregs of the Russian Navy, their most capable naval forces being stationed in the black sea at Sevastopol, the third pacific was crewed largely by untrained uneducated conscripts, and half of it were geriatric hulks that the admiral tried to avoid linking up with because he considered them a liability in the line of battle, this was well into the dreadnaught era and some of the russian ships were IRONCLADS. The Japanese fleet at Tsushima was largely made up of modern ships based on British Royal Navy designs and doctrine some even built by the royal navy for japan crewed by disciplined sailors that were in large part trained by either Royal Navy officers or Japanese trained on Royal Navy Doctrine. Tsushima was not a fair fight, the Russians might as well have tried to go up against the Royal Navy or the US Navy of the time, the result would have been the same.
Ya, pretty much all of the criticism this video levies at the Russian admiral is misplaced. He did what he could in probably the worst situation imaginable.
This video is toooooo short, so many important things left behind. First of all sea weapons before WW1 were very inaccurate, 1 in 8 hit is average, maybe even good. Next - it was Russian Imperial Navy, so it was massively outdated, especially technologically - maybe in 1840 it would be good, but totally not in 1900, when e.g. Japan and Germany build absolutely new navy whit newest technology implicated and top of the line equipment. And of course rulers and command in last years of Russian Empire were totally incompetent, even people were tired of rulers incompetence so strongly that they started the revolution, and of course lack of any competence were so deep that rulers failed any and all possible and impossible attempts to stop it. Not to mention another numerous problems....
sounds like a complete lack of training for about everyone on those ships and they have only marginally improved over time until today but still losses ships to ground forces. a joke nation.
Serfdom just ended by the father of the current king. Free Midevil slaves sailing battleships around the world is good enough, you cant really expect them to be that competent,
@jesuszamora6949 Yeah, France had built the first diesel-electric submarine in 1904 and Britian was about to start construction of their D-Class boats.
Russia has a history of underperforming in wars
Ask Sweden, Poland, Turkey, France and Germany about underperforming in wars with Russia. There was enough land for everyone, 2 meters for each
The Admiral was actually the most qualified person for the job. His men were just idiots and borderline uncontrollable. And the Kamchatka made every worse.
Fun fact, the admiral on the Japanese side was a samurai (sword ,black powder cannon and all) back when he was a kid. This war still had the generation that was forced to open to the world by the Americans.
The other fun fact, one of the combatant on Japanese side is Lt. Isoroku Yamamoto who lost 2 fingers due to an accidental explosion of an 8" shell. Had he lost one more finger, he would've been medically discharge from the IPN and the world history would've been very different.
All the parrot is screaming is “The enemy is approaching from the East.”
No curses there
Japanese were buying their new stellar ships from British, and Britain had good relations with Japan.
The paranoia came from "what if" Japan ambushed them with their fresh vessels from Britain.
In fact, Russian Baltic squadron was utterly obsolete and made up of various outdated leftovers, and it was the last ditch attempt to influence the war, as the Far East Fleet was damaged and trapped in the harbour by the Japanese, and the Russians thought they could relief them with the Baltic squadron sneaking from behind.
@@NorthonBruce Tbh, you're overstating obsoleteness of the ships, some of the ships were nearly brand new, some were older and obsolescent but still useable, and some were of only limited use, but they weren't exactly hopelessly outmatched by Japanese fleet in terms of ships. The reinforcement fleet that Russia sent through Suez on the other hand that has been sent to add numbers, that one was hopelessly obsolete and completely useless.
While at disadvantage in terms of ships, the reason why they got so completely overwhelmed was poor crew training. Additionally, due to a lucky hit, the Russian admiral was injured and incapacitated early in the battle, making the situation even messier for Russian fleet.
There's even more he left out.
Drachfinel is where I'd recommend the long version.
Yeah drachs videos are the best I've seen so far.
That sound you heard is the Russian military shooting themselves in their foot.
...Yes, I'm talking about Ukraine!
When it was the Soviet Union, it’s military was decent. Not amazing, but it was at least able to fight and move competently.
And many of their best troops were Ukrainian.
keeping in mind that russia lost a military ship in an encounter against a romaninan sheeptransportship in 2017, i guess there were not much changes done in their training routine.
Surprisingly, no lessons were learned.
The reason why warcrimes should not be ignored is that it only feeds the radical movements and leads to worse treatment of your own pow's...
Just imagine how many sailor's from the Allies were killed by the aftermath of the laconia incident...
And somehow the people responsible got meals for that...
If you are not familiar then read up un it, its actually quite disturbing.
Yeah, the point of rules of war isn't to be "nice." It's to avoid unnecessary brutality that drags out the fighting and leads to a lot more dead and crippled people on both sides, and in general makes the war messier for no real gain. Why don't we shoot hospital ships? Because then ours are fair game and no one gets to have hospital ships anymore. Why don't we execute prisoners or surrendering enemy forces? Because if they don't trust you to accept a surrender or treat them with dignity, they'll fight to the bitter end every single time. Same goes for false surrenders, you'll punk them once or twice and then they'll just put you down every single time after.
Yep. Not abiding the rules just makes war last longer than it needs to.
Small fun fact about the comment at 5:25 indeed Japan didn't do anything in the Atlantic or Mediteranean sea in WW2, but during WW1, as Japan was allied with the Entente they sent destroyers to Europe to help counter the Austro-Hungarian submarines. They did so with distinction.
Naval battles aren't as simple as "point and shoot". You need to consider physics like how far the shells will travel before hitting the water. And sometimes the shells will bounce off the surface of the water if they're traveling too quickly
I saw from a comment on another video that the conscripted peasants were brought in from the middle of Russia, meaning they might not even have seen a large lake before, let alone an ocean. It would be a shock to find out they could swim. I think they had all the reason in the world to be scared.
14:07: Most of the japanese warships at Tsushima were at the height of technology of the day, actually. They had commissioned them from british shipyards.
Actually, firing from ship cannons on distance of several miles, on a moving platform to moving target is not so easy. You have to calculate a lot of factors to determine right point to shoot where you want to hit. And yes. This Baltic Fleet was full of inexperienced and untrained crews.
The Japanese had around 12.0 to 1.0 kill ratio.
this hasnt changed much during the next regime against other powers.
One mistake here: the British didn’t revoke their access to the canal. Some of the ships were just too big to fit, so those ships went around Africa while smaller ships went through the canal
Alligators in madagascar are called caimans. basically alligators but different somehow I don't know the exact details.
Well, we Russians have always been stronger on land than at sea. In addition, at that time, Japan's technology in the fleet was better than ours (for example, the Japanese used new, more deadly projectiles). Also, it was not much easier to transport troops by land than by sea from European Russia to the Far East. There was only one railway leading there, the transfer of forces to the theater of operations was slow.
In general, as our Finance Minister Witte said:"It was not the Japanese who defeated Russia, not the Russian army, but our orders, or rather, our boyish management of the 140 million population in recent years." Our rotten Romanov dynasty started a "small victorious war" to distract the people from the problems inside the country. Now it seems to be the same.
Hope you're safe, man. And yeah, Ukraine is a prime example of "the more things change..."
It’s nice to see Russian comment from someone who isn’t afraid to be honest and hasn’t been influenced by propaganda. although I bet all the other comments that praise Russia are probably from bots I wonder how many people are influenced by propaganda and support the invasion
One thing to note about the battle of Tsushima is that the Japanese were markedly more advanced than the russians, the 1st pacific squadron that the Japanese trapped in port Arthur were more or less on par but got out manuevered and were outnumbered as well. The Squadron assembled from the baltic fleet however was the dregs of the Russian Navy, their most capable naval forces being stationed in the black sea at Sevastopol, the third pacific was crewed largely by untrained uneducated conscripts, and half of it were geriatric hulks that the admiral tried to avoid linking up with because he considered them a liability in the line of battle, this was well into the dreadnaught era and some of the russian ships were IRONCLADS. The Japanese fleet at Tsushima was largely made up of modern ships based on British Royal Navy designs and doctrine some even built by the royal navy for japan crewed by disciplined sailors that were in large part trained by either Royal Navy officers or Japanese trained on Royal Navy Doctrine. Tsushima was not a fair fight, the Russians might as well have tried to go up against the Royal Navy or the US Navy of the time, the result would have been the same.
Ya, pretty much all of the criticism this video levies at the Russian admiral is misplaced. He did what he could in probably the worst situation imaginable.
This video is toooooo short, so many important things left behind.
First of all sea weapons before WW1 were very inaccurate, 1 in 8 hit is average, maybe even good.
Next - it was Russian Imperial Navy, so it was massively outdated, especially technologically - maybe in 1840 it would be good, but totally not in 1900, when e.g. Japan and Germany build absolutely new navy whit newest technology implicated and top of the line equipment.
And of course rulers and command in last years of Russian Empire were totally incompetent, even people were tired of rulers incompetence so strongly that they started the revolution, and of course lack of any competence were so deep that rulers failed any and all possible and impossible attempts to stop it.
Not to mention another numerous problems....
Um, Dreadnoughts had fire control calculators, 1 in 8 hits is not good.
sounds like a complete lack of training for about everyone on those ships and they have only marginally improved over time until today but still losses ships to ground forces.
a joke nation.
Serfdom just ended by the father of the current king. Free Midevil slaves sailing battleships around the world is good enough, you cant really expect them to be that competent,
Serfdom "ended" if by ending you mean loading the peasants up with debt while paying the landowners off.
Can't really do much shipping by submarine.
And while we're at it, were subs even a thing in 1904-1905?
@jesuszamora6949
Yeah, France had built the first diesel-electric submarine in 1904 and Britian was about to start construction of their D-Class boats.