I prefer to play fun games, rather than competitive, so the T-72 is great for me. It means you can get good non hordy games against non competitive lists like S-tanks, Merkavas etc
Not sure I agree with grouping the Soviet T-72 and the T-72M and putting them on E. The T-72M is a great way to put down a lot of cheap and nasty AT21 (sabot) on the table - which is what makes the Soviet T-62M such a good pick.
If it was V1, I would agree with you, but with all the new added ATGM weapons readily available in V2 I Don't see a place for them on the comp scene when the T72b is a much better tank, especially for Warpact
@@lucianaurelius2418 The armoured car with FA1 and no moving RoF, not to mention the limited availability of 1 unit of 3 in Div Support +1 with a BTR or BMP Battalion? It ain't it chief. If I had to take AT21 HEAT, it'd probably be with black box Raketenpanzers.
I find the fins, a bit of a hard one to rate as its unique to them, while its a good tank for them id put in the same category as t72b or 1 higher based of the skill and range as it allows you to blitz and use range to engage other similar class tanks. it is also a good QRF tank for the fins and as well as bumping up pts for sweeds for use for reserves.
This is highly opinion oriented and lacks objectivity. It seems the criteria are not goood or bad but more about numbers fielded. Closer you get to hoard numbers, the better the tank. This not even consistent as a hoard force can get side shots even with other week stats.
The ASU is a poor tank, it can only be found in 2 formations, can not be taken as black box, does not have the cross, a poor weapon as it AT is 14 and heat, a single leo2 could defeat 10 of them. on the other hand a leo2 can be a 1 drop reserve unit can plug gaps, assault infantry and has the skill, cross and tac move to get in and out of danger.
@@forwarnedforarmed220 IT HAS 2 SHOTS and is like 1 ish points a model! U take it to counter Leo 1’s and IFV. Idgaf about Leo 2 it’s a sitting duck begging to be ATGM’d
@@forwarnedforarmed220 for the role it fills for being dirt cheap and A rating it’s filling a T-55 role except even cheaper and double the shots it’s designed to counter nato Leo 1’s for the money. Any Pact player would agree
I will have to strongly disagree, these are the reasons why, 1. it's the same prices as T55 which are far superior to the ASU and they can do any role. 2. the ASU is only good on the turn it ambushes; from there it is easily countered. why it's a one trick pony. 3. most soviet players favour horde style tactics for tournaments which is why you will hardly see them in use in tournaments. 4. it's only available to VDV formations. 5. look at the kanonpanzerjager for West Germans which is much better on paper but has draw backs being a support choice similar to the ASU which just beats it for the ranking. 6. It has a AT 14 heat gun which is useless against most tanks, yes it may be ROF2 which is why its not an F. 7. to rate it an A you have to compare it to every other tank and I don't see it beating any of the d class tanks. 8. Its forward firing which can easily be countered and flack by leo1 which have a better range, skill and cross to manoeuvrer over terrain. 9. most pact players if faced with choosing between ASU and T55 for the same pts will pick the T55
I prefer to play fun games, rather than competitive, so the T-72 is great for me. It means you can get good non hordy games against non competitive lists like S-tanks, Merkavas etc
Any chance of a update with the new suggested point changes?
You missed su-100 for cubans ;)
But FA 7 AT17 slow firing gun cross check of 5+ I reckon its A tier at least
Gotta redo this with new points
Can you repeat your national restrictions?
What are the three S tier? M1, T55AM and what the last one?
T55
What about Merkava?
at the end
Not sure I agree with grouping the Soviet T-72 and the T-72M and putting them on E. The T-72M is a great way to put down a lot of cheap and nasty AT21 (sabot) on the table - which is what makes the Soviet T-62M such a good pick.
If it was V1, I would agree with you, but with all the new added ATGM weapons readily available in V2 I Don't see a place for them on the comp scene when the T72b is a much better tank, especially for Warpact
No T-72’s just suck especially the M literally just take Spandrels
@@lucianaurelius2418 The armoured car with FA1 and no moving RoF, not to mention the limited availability of 1 unit of 3 in Div Support +1 with a BTR or BMP Battalion? It ain't it chief.
If I had to take AT21 HEAT, it'd probably be with black box Raketenpanzers.
T72M for the Czechs are still relevant i believe. The discounted price AT 21 platform with range and it can be spamed for the Czechs
@@wozja yeah no
How do you rate the Finnish T-72FM2?
I find the fins, a bit of a hard one to rate as its unique to them, while its a good tank for them id put in the same category as t72b or 1 higher based of the skill and range as it allows you to blitz and use range to engage other similar class tanks. it is also a good QRF tank for the fins and as well as bumping up pts for sweeds for use for reserves.
This is highly opinion oriented and lacks objectivity. It seems the criteria are not goood or bad but more about numbers fielded. Closer you get to hoard numbers, the better the tank.
This not even consistent as a hoard force can get side shots even with other week stats.
You rank the 2A4 an A but the ASU an E???? You do realize you’re playing Team Yankee not wargame Red Dragon right?
The ASU is a poor tank, it can only be found in 2 formations, can not be taken as black box, does not have the cross, a poor weapon as it AT is 14 and heat, a single leo2 could defeat 10 of them. on the other hand a leo2 can be a 1 drop reserve unit can plug gaps, assault infantry and has the skill, cross and tac move to get in and out of danger.
@@forwarnedforarmed220 IT HAS 2 SHOTS and is like 1 ish points a model! U take it to counter Leo 1’s and IFV. Idgaf about Leo 2 it’s a sitting duck begging to be ATGM’d
it may have rof 2, but its still outmatched, as I said it good for ambush and IFVs that is it. where would you rate it.
@@forwarnedforarmed220 for the role it fills for being dirt cheap and A rating it’s filling a T-55 role except even cheaper and double the shots it’s designed to counter nato Leo 1’s for the money. Any Pact player would agree
I will have to strongly disagree, these are the reasons why,
1. it's the same prices as T55 which are far superior to the ASU and they can do any role.
2. the ASU is only good on the turn it ambushes; from there it is easily countered. why it's a one trick pony.
3. most soviet players favour horde style tactics for tournaments which is why you will hardly see them in use in tournaments.
4. it's only available to VDV formations.
5. look at the kanonpanzerjager for West Germans which is much better on paper but has draw backs being a support choice similar to the ASU which just beats it for the ranking.
6. It has a AT 14 heat gun which is useless against most tanks, yes it may be ROF2 which is why its not an F.
7. to rate it an A you have to compare it to every other tank and I don't see it beating any of the d class tanks.
8. Its forward firing which can easily be countered and flack by leo1 which have a better range, skill and cross to manoeuvrer over terrain.
9. most pact players if faced with choosing between ASU and T55 for the same pts will pick the T55