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You two are as South African as you are your respective nationalities. Thank you for honoring our country, people, and different cultures! Ps. Beautiful part of South Africa. But bitching cold. So is our beautiful Mpumalanga. Beautiful and warmer in winter!
Thank you for immersing yourselves in our culture, nature and cuisine! We are very proud of our country, and it is the best compliment EVERRR when overlanders enjoy it with us.
Hey Leigh and Steph. I found your channel as your landy landed in Cape Town. It is SO lekker watching you guys enjoying yourselves in our beautiful country and here in Cape Town. Yep, I'm a local here in CT and it really warms my heart to see you guys enjoying yourselves here. It is amazing the very high reputation that we have when it comes to rebuilding vehicles for overlanding, etc and that you guys put your trust in our guys here to get your landy rebuilt for your next adventures and I know they will deliver!. I watch 4xOverland as well and it is amazing how many camping, overlanding, etc accessories and gear is manufactured locally and of top quality too. Just a pity about the weather. I am not sure when you guys were in the Cederberg, but I hope it wasn't during those HUGE storms that caused the access road to Citrusdal to wash away. That bobotie - yum!! Enjoy your time here in Cape Town!! Oh, glad that Andrew's 105 found a good home.
The easiest way to keep your windshield from freezing or getting ice on them put something over in your windshield by cardboard or a sheet to clean in on one door shut it pull all the way across but the other end on the other door and shut it that will keep be nice off your windshield okay well have a good day and have fun Dion 🖖🐾
As a South African migrant to Australia I totally agree about the pies! Enjoy your channel. Nice revisiting parts of SA we haven't seen in 30 years! My adult kids find it a bit boring when I point out in your vlogs places we have been! The Oz stuff they know because we do the 4WD thing here.
Fail ? Fail ? Nope, wrong word ... You didn't fail once, you made the right choices. Safety first, and then pleasure... Not because I'm a local boertjie, but this was one of your very best video's, music, drone work, and then, that Bobotie... That was done 100%. ( ok, 90%, I didn't taste it...) The slighty burnt part in bobotie tastes the best, more caramelised than the rest.. I always go for the crust 😂 The baboons were only nosey/noisy, they wouldn't have given you any trouble... but yes, no pleasure in climbing if you feel threatened... See you soon, again. Enjoy enjoy enjoy... 🇿🇦
Awesome series in S.A. 🇿🇦 . Cape Town is my hometown....so many beautiful nature scenes to enjoy! Looking forward to seeing your upcoming experiences 😀
Baboons 1 Stef & Lee 0😂 super cool to see you guys enjoying some local cuisine and just enjoying your time in S.A. Beautiful part of the world that . Truitjies = Small jersey and Kraal = Enclosure to keep cattle or sheep if that makes sense. Well done even your pronunciation is pretty good.
Great video guys and you are making us homesick. When I compare your content, editorial style and general story to so many other RUclipsrs that we come across in South America, you are miles better
OK I'm really impressed. I just made your dish in my home. It is off the hook! The fact you made that encamp proves my thesis that; Just because one chooses to camp, one does not need be savage! I do hope our paths cross one day.
I've been taking Safaris for years around Southern Africa, and "bush cooking" stays the best....coming from my clients as well. Only your "stove" or "oven" differs. No need to eat dehydrated or tinned food because you are camping. It's a sign of a lazy overlander/camper ( those stuff is stached away in your emergency box, where you have to dig it out, in order not to be tempted for a shortcut ) Nothing beat the smell of flames and smoke in a dish. Most of the destinations, even if you are wild like ItchyBoots, there is always some fresh stuff to buy along the road... Happy journeys, all of you nice people commenting.
Jiss julle moet nou bietjie Afrikaans leer praat, that accommodation in the Cederberg mountains, simply stunning, such a beautiful place in SA. Enjoy our country!
It is my country and you guys are showing me places I did not know about. Thank you and enjoy our hospitality industry the stalletjies or farmstall or padstalletjies are indeginous to our rainbow country
I see Steph made a small roof (or afdakkie) for your fire to prevent the rain from spoiling things.... So, in Afrikaans you could have said: "n' boer maak a plan," or "a farmer makes a plan." 👍
Your videos are making me a bit home sick. Currently we are overlanding in South America, but we will be back in Cape Town early next year. Enjoy the Cape and thanks for the videos.
Wow your Africa journey has been amazing so far am enjoying it a lot . Plus looking forward to seeing more of grizzly and bears new build . As for rock climbing with baboons or monkeys I had the little buggers ( the monkeys ) dropping things on us for fun . They thought it was great fun , we did not . But what a spectacular area to travel in . And great drone shots along the way . Thanks again for sharing your wonderful travel memories ( and food ) with us all your over landing friends . Cheers from Steve Stott in Sutherlin Oregon U.S.A. :) :) 🌍🍻👍🏼😁..P.S. DUCH OVENS JUST TAKE TIME TO LEARN HOW MUCH HEAT NEEDED TO COOK WITH . LOOKED LIKE A dish I would like to do . 👍🏼.😁
The Cederberg is a truly magical place and no adventure visit to SA is complete without visiting that wilderness. (Promise the weather not always like that!)
No need for a guide at Boven we've climbed there many times. In fact we stayed there for a month 8 years ago climbing every day. One of our favourite climbing destinations in all the world 😍
Whaou quelle aventure, pluie pluie pluie ou pluie....bon vous me faites rêver quand même. Et le temps fait partie du voyage. Et j'aime beaucoup le fait que les sous titres soient en français, cela me permet d'apprendre l'anglais autrement. Merci pour ces bons moments que vous nous partagez.
Merci beaucoup. Ça fait vraiment plaisir car combien de fois j'ai eu envie d'abandonner les sous-titres Français. Je crois que les Français ne représentent que 3 ou 4% de notre audience. J'y passe en moyenne 5h/vidéo. Les sous-titres automatisés ne sont vraiment pas bon et ne se calent pas du tout avec les changements d'images...
@@GrizzlyNbearOverland je sais que c'est beaucoup beaucoup de travail. Je te remercie pour tout ce travail, entre les rushs, le montage et la traduction...félicitations et merci encore pour les 4% de français. Sans ton travail je comprendrais qu'un quart de ce que vous dites.
Impressive jump at 6:41. But if one looks precisely, one can clearly see it's Steph pulling you up! 😄 Great spirits, content & edit (your channel deserves so much more attention)! I will try to prepare a Bobotie myself, it looks delicious.
When you were in Australia you did not come by our place and have a taste of the meat pies my wife makes, very good indeed, better than from a shop. I only became aware of your travels in SA. Fellow LR owner now for many years.
@Steph on ne tu juges pas sur le plat car les conditions de cuisine sont exceptionnelles mais les conditions de vues sont là. ce coté cuisine vous rend plus abordables en terme d'identification: même si tu crois t'être loupée, on a apprécié!!!
Uninformed opinion, that can’t be said for all of our 9 provinces, it might be cold but the days warm up with stunning blue skies, and for the most part without rain, and there’s nothing nicer than warming up with a good open wood fire.
ooo controversy or is it blasphemy haha you havent have the pies from bake up rising in Newcastle NSW. but in general you could be right , most of it is rubbish. love you guys getting back to more climbing and too bad its been a very wet winter in South Africa. keep the good work guys
Because we don't all behave in our Nature Parks... If you pay, maybe you will be a bit more aware, if you don't, then you take it for granted, and don't care... Just look at our public open spaces.. I rest my case...
@@alwynvanwyk1851 the majority shouldn't be punished for the actions of the few who abuse these places. We don't mind paying entry to national parks etc if the parks are well maintained and facilities good. South African entry prices are extremely overpriced especially for non residents.
I dreamt of doing adventure with my girlfriend in my life like you beautiful couple but unfortunately she got married with someone due circumstances caused in her family 😔😭 but I will do it without her and live my life with pain remembering her. It’s hard but I don’t have choice. I’m a great fan of you. I wish you both together have a great adventures life and will keep watching all your videos.
Sorry to hear... We wish you all the best and please stay strong and positive. One day you will meet a great girl and pursue your dreams. You will not forget your first love but you will love again.
@@GrizzlyNbearOverland I am so grateful for your kind words but, I can’t love anyone and I feel I’m already married to her and will live with her memories till I’m alive. Sure, I’m looking forward for upcoming years and will leave a note where ever I travel with her name. Thank you again.
3:15: G'day from a sunny & cold Sydney. I see Lee has been "South Africanised" and is already saying "ja" instead of "yeah". Traitor!!! And we won't even get into that traitor's comment about South African pies being better. Ag nee man Lee, jy moet reg kom boet!!!
😁😁😁😁😁😁😁 He hasn't even got to the best pies in SA !!!! I'm Mr Pie Judge... 1. Dassiesfontein. WC. Bobotie, curry lamb and pepper steak. 2.Nanaga EC. Venison, curry lamb, chicken, Bobotie 🤭 3. Ou Meul WC. Chicken mushroom, steak&kidney, Bobotie 😋 My mom.... Rip... Did I mention Bobotie Bobotie.... Mmmmmm
Unknown, don't be a doos.. Rather enjoy the video's, and keep your Jap Crap comments for your Jap Crap groups... On a quiet African night, with the call of Hyena, Jackal and Lion, you can hear your Land Cruiser rusting away.... Long live the Green Oval.... 🎖️♥️🎖️ Said with a twinkle in the eye, and a slight smile, Unknown bro... 😉😏🤭🤭
my ozzy mates say nz pies are better than ozzy pies maybe you guys will have to come to new zealand and tell us if our pies are better than south African pies
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Thank you so much.
Thanks at the bottom where, Leigh....
Thanks Stephy, very well done.... 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
@@alwynvanwyk1851just to the right of the like, share buttons 😊
Mais comment tu filmes quand Leigh descend en rappel puisque c'est toi qui l'assure ?
@@brunodupuis417 drone fix
You two are as South African as you are your respective nationalities. Thank you for honoring our country, people, and different cultures!
Ps. Beautiful part of South Africa. But bitching cold. So is our beautiful Mpumalanga. Beautiful and warmer in winter!
Thanks for keeping it real. Every video is always an adventure… even when conditions suck.! ❤️🙏🏾
Wow, South Africa is just incredible!
Fynbos campsite at the back of the padstal has the most epic campsite (and chalets) with a great animal sanctuary.
The best time to visit the Cape is during Spring or Autumn. Great mild weather with little rain. Hope you’re sticking around for a while ❤
We've been there since February 😉
As usual a great video. Love you guy's.....🤩
What a beautiful accommodation!
Thank you for immersing yourselves in our culture, nature and cuisine! We are very proud of our country, and it is the best compliment EVERRR when overlanders enjoy it with us.
Update video too late.
That dish looks wonderful! Thank you for sharing your adventures.
I'm a climber too, and no way would I climb if monkeys were on the wall. That was really something!
Waiting for the progress report, thank you;>)
Hey Leigh and Steph. I found your channel as your landy landed in Cape Town. It is SO lekker watching you guys enjoying yourselves in our beautiful country and here in Cape Town. Yep, I'm a local here in CT and it really warms my heart to see you guys enjoying yourselves here. It is amazing the very high reputation that we have when it comes to rebuilding vehicles for overlanding, etc and that you guys put your trust in our guys here to get your landy rebuilt for your next adventures and I know they will deliver!. I watch 4xOverland as well and it is amazing how many camping, overlanding, etc accessories and gear is manufactured locally and of top quality too. Just a pity about the weather. I am not sure when you guys were in the Cederberg, but I hope it wasn't during those HUGE storms that caused the access road to Citrusdal to wash away. That bobotie - yum!!
Enjoy your time here in Cape Town!!
Oh, glad that Andrew's 105 found a good home.
The easiest way to keep your windshield from freezing or getting ice on them put something over in your windshield by cardboard or a sheet to clean in on one door shut it pull all the way across but the other end on the other door and shut it that will keep be nice off your windshield okay well have a good day and have fun
Dion 🖖🐾
South Africa and it's PEOPLE are super friendly!😊
Not a fail at all. Looks amazing. ❤
Thank you ❤❤❤
As a South African migrant to Australia I totally agree about the pies! Enjoy your channel. Nice revisiting parts of SA we haven't seen in 30 years! My adult kids find it a bit boring when I point out in your vlogs places we have been! The Oz stuff they know because we do the 4WD thing here.
Thanks for sharing. Love your videos. I have brand new Jan Braai potjie and going to give the bobotie a go. Enjoy South Africa.
Fail ? Fail ?
Nope, wrong word ...
You didn't fail once, you made the right choices.
Safety first, and then pleasure...
Not because I'm a local boertjie, but this was one of your very best video's, music, drone work, and then, that Bobotie...
That was done 100%. ( ok, 90%, I didn't taste it...)
The slighty burnt part in bobotie tastes the best, more caramelised than the rest..
I always go for the crust 😂
The baboons were only nosey/noisy, they wouldn't have given you any trouble... but yes, no pleasure in climbing if you feel threatened...
See you soon, again.
Enjoy enjoy enjoy... 🇿🇦
Awesome series in S.A. 🇿🇦 . Cape Town is my hometown....so many beautiful nature scenes to enjoy! Looking forward to seeing your upcoming experiences 😀
South African pies are legendary, especially the further out of cities you go. Awesome video, great Boboti btw... Well done
Baboons 1 Stef & Lee 0😂 super cool to see you guys enjoying some local cuisine and just enjoying your time in S.A. Beautiful part of the world that . Truitjies = Small jersey and Kraal = Enclosure to keep cattle or sheep if that makes sense. Well done even your pronunciation is pretty good.
That food looked great, I'm going to try it.
Looking forward to the rebuild. Happy Trails
Great video guys and you are making us homesick. When I compare your content, editorial style and general story to so many other RUclipsrs that we come across in South America, you are miles better
OK I'm really impressed. I just made your dish in my home. It is off the hook! The fact you made that encamp proves my thesis that; Just because one chooses to camp, one does not need be savage! I do hope our paths cross one day.
I've been taking Safaris for years around Southern Africa, and "bush cooking" stays the best....coming from my clients as well.
Only your "stove" or "oven" differs. No need to eat dehydrated or tinned food because you are camping. It's a sign of a lazy overlander/camper
( those stuff is stached away in your emergency box, where you have to dig it out, in order not to be tempted for a shortcut )
Nothing beat the smell of flames and smoke in a dish.
Most of the destinations, even if you are wild like ItchyBoots, there is always some fresh stuff to buy along the road...
Happy journeys, all of you nice people commenting.
Thank you. But, word of advice, do not even think of getting close to baboons. Especially when there are young ones about. And do not ever feed them!
Danke! I love your cooking, Stephy 🧑🍳
Thank you so very much for your support here and of course over on Patreon ❤️❤️❤️
Jiss julle moet nou bietjie Afrikaans leer praat, that accommodation in the Cederberg mountains, simply stunning, such a beautiful place in SA. Enjoy our country!
I love to see you both! Everytime! I hope Stephy is ok now!
Stephi you are amazing. I didn't think that was going to cook. Africa is known for having terrible roads.
It is my country and you guys are showing me places I did not know about. Thank you and enjoy our hospitality industry the stalletjies or farmstall or padstalletjies are indeginous to our rainbow country
Really better pie than Australia? Ok I need to go and try😊
You would be a tough customer 😜
Bonjour de la FRANCE❤,j'adore vos vidéos, et en plus le translate est 👍.
Merci et en plus je suis un fan de Land ❤🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙.
We call it 'bundu bashing' on the trails and back roads.
I see Steph made a small roof (or afdakkie) for your fire to prevent the rain from spoiling things.... So, in Afrikaans you could have said: "n' boer maak a plan," or "a farmer makes a plan." 👍
gardez votre bonne humeur................😘
Your videos are making me a bit home sick. Currently we are overlanding in South America, but we will be back in Cape Town early next year. Enjoy the Cape and thanks for the videos.
Wow your Africa journey has been amazing so far am enjoying it a lot . Plus looking forward to seeing more of grizzly and bears new build . As for rock climbing with baboons or monkeys I had the little buggers ( the monkeys ) dropping things on us for fun . They thought it was great fun , we did not . But what a spectacular area to travel in . And great drone shots along the way . Thanks again for sharing your wonderful travel memories ( and food ) with us all your over landing friends . Cheers from Steve Stott in Sutherlin Oregon U.S.A. :) :) 🌍🍻👍🏼😁..P.S. DUCH OVENS JUST TAKE TIME TO LEARN HOW MUCH HEAT NEEDED TO COOK WITH . LOOKED LIKE A dish I would like to do . 👍🏼.😁
The Cederberg is life changing. The purple and pink sunsets, amazing!
Brilliant video, the mountain cabin looked very chilled 👌🏻
The Cederberg is a truly magical place and no adventure visit to SA is complete without visiting that wilderness. (Promise the weather not always like that!)
After having watched Itchyboots and a few others travel through Southern Africa, it's on my bucket list to visit....
That area is hot and dry most of the year, unlucky 🤣🤣!
Finally.... The Climbing has comeback to the rocks!!
Merci pour le partage. C'est un endroit magnifique. Biz à tous les deux. 😃🥰🥰
As Wynand told you, Bobotie is our ‘special’ dish, we’ll share the full story next time we get to see you!🤭
Enjoy the beautiful Cape Kiddos!!💚
Thank you Evelyn. Next time we know not so much heat 🔥
With all those ingredients. It is not a surprise, you have a big pot.
It’s an adventure every day. Love your style. 😊
Супер! Ждём восстановления Гризли!!!
always love the sound of the TDI
If you go towards Kruger you have to go climb at Waterval Boven area. Get a local guide there though.
No need for a guide at Boven we've climbed there many times. In fact we stayed there for a month 8 years ago climbing every day. One of our favourite climbing destinations in all the world 😍
@@GrizzlyNbearOverland excellent, good to hear 👏
Wooo! First to watch.
Steffy montre au anglais a faire un bon Gratin Dauphinois
je ne suis meme pas sure d'en avoir deja fait 😆
Whaou quelle aventure, pluie pluie pluie ou pluie....bon vous me faites rêver quand même. Et le temps fait partie du voyage. Et j'aime beaucoup le fait que les sous titres soient en français, cela me permet d'apprendre l'anglais autrement. Merci pour ces bons moments que vous nous partagez.
Merci beaucoup. Ça fait vraiment plaisir car combien de fois j'ai eu envie d'abandonner les sous-titres Français. Je crois que les Français ne représentent que 3 ou 4% de notre audience. J'y passe en moyenne 5h/vidéo. Les sous-titres automatisés ne sont vraiment pas bon et ne se calent pas du tout avec les changements d'images...
@@GrizzlyNbearOverland je sais que c'est beaucoup beaucoup de travail. Je te remercie pour tout ce travail, entre les rushs, le montage et la traduction...félicitations et merci encore pour les 4% de français. Sans ton travail je comprendrais qu'un quart de ce que vous dites.
😎👍
Cooking in a potjie is not easy. Well done 👍. Love Bobotie
We need some more practice for sure .
Impressive jump at 6:41. But if one looks precisely, one can clearly see it's Steph pulling you up! 😄 Great spirits, content & edit (your channel deserves so much more attention)! I will try to prepare a Bobotie myself, it looks delicious.
Thank you. Bobotie can be done in traditional oven too. More controlled.
That you give up due to weather.?Must have been really disgusting. Waiting for better conditions. 🤢🤔🇫🇷
Haha Stephy can't pull me up as the rope is below 😂😂😂
Sometimes on a top rope we can certainly help each other along 😉
rien de grave pour les bouton? Tjrs plein de rebondissement, a bientôt
You should wait until the baboons leave to forage for the day.
When you were in Australia you did not come by our place and have a taste of the meat pies my wife makes, very good indeed, better than from a shop. I only became aware of your travels in SA. Fellow LR owner now for many years.
Home made by the wife. Can’t compete for sure. 🤤
Lovely show❤
FAIL 👎👎. Just joking 😂😂😂 Still a good video 👍👍. Thanks guys 👏👏👏
@Steph on ne tu juges pas sur le plat car les conditions de cuisine sont exceptionnelles mais les conditions de vues sont là. ce coté cuisine vous rend plus abordables en terme d'identification: même si tu crois t'être loupée, on a apprécié!!!
Merci , j'ai meme hérité a tout effacer... mais bon c'est du reel life . merci
I was thinking the Landy failed; but it didn’t! Cheers guys. 🙏🦘
A Landy failure ??? I don’t know what you are talking about 🤣
Sont-ce les vacances aussi dans l'hémisphère sud parceque faut pas etre à croc du grizzily en ce moment ......
That’s really bad luck in the Cederberg but it’s not called a wilderness area for nothing and can get a bit wild out there
Especially being winter and the wettest winter in 40 years in ZA apparently. We still enjoyed it .
@@GrizzlyNbearOverland yes it’s wet and cold we would like summer back now please
👋🏻🤠
Winter time in SA, hence the poor weather
Uninformed opinion, that can’t be said for all of our 9 provinces, it might be cold but the days warm up with stunning blue skies, and for the most part without rain, and there’s nothing nicer than warming up with a good open wood fire.
ooo controversy or is it blasphemy haha you havent have the pies from bake up rising in Newcastle NSW. but in general you could be right , most of it is rubbish. love you guys getting back to more climbing and too bad its been a very wet winter in South Africa. keep the good work guys
The best one we had in Oz was in Mt Carbine (Cape York) I'm sure Leigh wanted to tease some Aussies. ;)
Go check out Rosa's bakery in CT for some croissants 🎉
Better map screen shots of where you went please.
My sister emigrated to NZ and was surprised that all nature parks have free entrances compared to S.A. where we get milked dry for everything.
Yes that was certainly a surprise the high costs of park entry and us tourists usually pay 3 times the price of locals 😜
Because we don't all behave in our Nature Parks... If you pay, maybe you will be a bit more aware, if you don't, then you take it for granted, and don't care... Just look at our public open spaces..
I rest my case...
@@alwynvanwyk1851 the majority shouldn't be punished for the actions of the few who abuse these places. We don't mind paying entry to national parks etc if the parks are well maintained and facilities good. South African entry prices are extremely overpriced especially for non residents.
I dreamt of doing adventure with my girlfriend in my life like you beautiful couple but unfortunately she got married with someone due circumstances caused in her family 😔😭 but I will do it without her and live my life with pain remembering her. It’s hard but I don’t have choice. I’m a great fan of you. I wish you both together have a great adventures life and will keep watching all your videos.
Sorry to hear... We wish you all the best and please stay strong and positive. One day you will meet a great girl and pursue your dreams. You will not forget your first love but you will love again.
@@GrizzlyNbearOverland I am so grateful for your kind words but, I can’t love anyone and I feel I’m already married to her and will live with her memories till I’m alive. Sure, I’m looking forward for upcoming years and will leave a note where ever I travel with her name. Thank you again.
Merci !
Merci beaucoup Fred ❤️❤️❤️
My bobotie recipe is a whole lot simpler than this 😂
3:15: G'day from a sunny & cold Sydney. I see Lee has been "South Africanised" and is already saying "ja" instead of "yeah". Traitor!!! And we won't even get into that traitor's comment about South African pies being better. Ag nee man Lee, jy moet reg kom boet!!!
😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
He hasn't even got to the best pies in SA !!!!
I'm Mr Pie Judge...
1. Dassiesfontein. WC.
Bobotie, curry lamb and pepper steak.
2.Nanaga EC.
Venison, curry lamb, chicken, Bobotie 🤭
3. Ou Meul WC.
Chicken mushroom, steak&kidney, Bobotie 😋
My mom.... Rip...
Did I mention Bobotie
Bobotie.... Mmmmmm
@@alwynvanwyk1851can never beat mum's cooking ❤️
Should really get a Land Cruiser
Which one?
Unknown, don't be a doos..
Rather enjoy the video's, and keep your Jap Crap comments for your Jap Crap groups...
On a quiet African night, with the call of Hyena, Jackal and Lion, you can hear your Land Cruiser rusting away....
Long live the Green Oval.... 🎖️♥️🎖️
Said with a twinkle in the eye, and a slight smile, Unknown bro... 😉😏🤭🤭
Not matter what happens you can’t say that to a Landy lover.
That's hilarious 😂😂😂
You have the Budget...Just Get a Mercedes VARIO camper and be free
Ai tog, daar ruk jy nou die hol uit die hoender...
or
In foreign language...
Shit, there you just pulled the plug from the dam....
my ozzy mates say nz pies are better than ozzy pies maybe you guys will have to come to new zealand and tell us if our pies are better than south African pies