AIKIDO - Training with Quakenbush and Sly - PART 3 The Finale
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Aikido training with Quakenbush and Sly part 3 the finale! This is it the final part of our epic encounter. I hope everyone has enjoyed this event that we did and we're hoping that this might spark a seminar so all of you guy's that could attend would. Thank you again, thank you for all of the support and if you haven't subscribed please could you. It would be greatly appreciated.
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I think Tristan summed it up perfectly when he said Corky is doing is one aspect of Aikido. Corky has some sound principles and he has a good method of introducing concepts of Aikido to beginners. However once someone starts to understand the principles, as Lenny always says this needs to be practiced fast and with real attacks.
I'm glad you uploaded these videos Lenny, this is a productive conversation and conducted with a lot of respect. We need more of this to happen.
What is Tristan ‘s last name?
Cermack
@@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13 Ty Lenny..
Aikido is really easy when the attacks are fast because the momentum of the attack carries the attacker through to the ground really quickly.
Just watch how easily Lenny handles the attacks that come fast, but the ones that are relatively slow are the ones that do not turn into aikido but cause him to struggle and give up aikido to instead attack back.
If you can find aiki when the attack when the attack's power comes from an intention to impose a connection in a more deliberate way, then you can find it easily when the attack is fast. In aikido the aikidoka is ahead of the attack, so the speed of the attack just regulates how fast the attacker gets to the ground.
The double standard on the whole headbutt attack is interesting. If Sly's camp admits their Aikido can't defend against an attack, why discount Quakenbush's Aikido just because it can't defend the same attack under the exact same circumstances? Doesn't that mean Aikido in general is crap for dealing with that kind of violence? (And I say this as an Aikido practitioner.)
What is being discussed is the difference in attitude toward conflict, not a difference in technical approach. One camp has the attitude of "You want to F*** me up, so I'm gonna F*** you up for it. I'm gonna teach you a lesson to never do that again! I'm just gonna do it Aikido style." The other attitude is that of "You want to F*** me up? I forgive you and want to help you change your mind. And in the meantime, I'm gonna do what I can to make sure neither of us get hurt." I've experienced both sides of this fence. The reality is... One path is easy to choose. But I don't need 10-20 years and a black belt in a martial art to get good at it. (And, though it is an easy choice, it does have costs.) Violence is easy if you're just willing to look at the other person as a bag of meat and are willing to do injury. (Even it is "just enough injury to stop them".) The other path is much more difficult. To not harbor anger or violence in your mind/heart for someone who wants or has done violence to you? To, at most, simply want to control yourself and maybe someone's actions enough to minimize or nullify their attack without returning "evil for evil"? That's the difference between these two practices. And since the goals are different, you can't use the same metrics to measure "success".
You've brought up some really good points here. Ultimately, violence is always the easiest fall back position when it comes to dealing with attack, but the chances of the violence actually succeeding is what is the biggest variable. If there was some magical technique that would render any opponent incapable of attacking it would be the only technique anyone ever practiced. But that would also mean that the person who was the best at it would be UFC champ forever.
But when we were talking about a head butt, there was a lot of fantasy going on in the dojo. First the guy in the blue gi offers this hypothetical - "So, you're in a restaurant and some guy..."
A RESTAURANT? Okay, sure, a restaurant, then, where a lot of deadly fights break out... but anyway, some guy walks up to you and without warning head butts you. Well, blue gi guy is right, there is no defense if you hope to react to something you see coming from 20 feet away and hope your reaction will be enough when the attacker is inches away, but the truth is that no one can head butt another person without the intention to do so. And in aikido when someone approaches us with the intention to attack we move ahead of the attack.
Blue gi guy (BGG) mentions that he walked up to me and I "didn't even flinch." That was because when you can recognize intention you can see that BGG had absolutely no intention of attacking, or actually using his head as an attacking appendage - his intention was to mimic an attack. Why this is important can be seen if you slow the video down. When BGG does his "head butt" action, the inertia he manages to create is directed to stop before it is even close to the target. It's like a quick chicken peck. For any type of attack to be effective it has to have enough inertia to damage the target.
When a person intends to damage a skull with a head butt, the attacking head must move through the space occupied by the target in order to deliver anything meaningfully damaging. When this happens aikidoka utilize all the principles of aikido to turn off the line of the attack in a connected way so that the head butt momentum can result in a grounding. The people supporting the idea that a head butt can not be stopped are just ignorant of this fact. And think of this: If there was really "no defense against a head butt," why would any attacker use anything there IS a defense against? All attacks would be head butts! lol...
First of all No disrespect to anyone, but dealing with a known attack, as apposed to an unknown attack, as a TRAINED martial artist, the out come will depend on how you reacting before, during, or after, the threat, HAS been identified. This all can happen milliseconds, or seconds depending on distance, at time of recognizing the threat. With that said, be aware not paranoid, and Treat the threat with enough force to stop you from going to the morgue, or going to jail. Great video, Respects to both LS. and CC.
Top work Lenny thanks for telling this guy that is not functional. Nobody grabs your wrist without a haymaker
Exactly!
I find it really amusing when fantasies like this are accepted as reality. All you have to do is watch a cop who is grabbing someone's wrist to put cuffs on them to see that what a ridiculous claim it is that "Nobody grabs your wrist without a haymaker."
I have met exactly one aikido practitioner in almost thirty years of martial arts training that could pull off aikido in a fight. The late Kevin Sparkman Sensei in Nashville TN. He was a bouncer around there for about 15 years in the 80/90s. He used to crack skulls nightly. Damn near legendary back then. He would call Corky Thatcher here a “granola eater” aikidoka. Too much Jedi. Kevin ran a very traditional curriculum, but the techniques he taught had to work in a fight. Because he was using them nightly in fights. Lenny has a very similar mindset to Kevin. Corky does not.
Cool story bro
The best aikido I ever saw from a "bouncer" was the head of security for Duran Duran when I was working on "Sing Blue Silver". I watched him remove people from situations without raising his voice, raising a sweat or raising a fist. No cracked heads, no lawsuits, no nothing but a problem going away like it never existed. Masterful.
I have done traditional and now I do tenshin aikido. My view is ALWAYS soft and relaxed but NEVER passive. Being passive will get you killed. Soft/relaxed and assertive/aggressive is the combination that can work. It seems from these videos that Sensei Quakenbush is way too passive (but soft and relaxed) and Sensei Sly is assertive/aggressive (but I can’t tell whether he is soft, never took ukemi for him; probably is).
You train TenShin aikido now. Who do you train with?
ROGUE WARRIORS TV Bushikan Aikido. Sensei Greg Sinclair Shihan.
I agree with you that passivity is a dangerous strategy. There is nothing passive about my aikido even though it is non-violent. Aikido requires one to ahead of the attack. One can't be passive and ahead of the attack. It requires action. But the action chosen will determine if there is aikido or a fight.
Their reasons for training are different. Lenny trains to defend himself, other guy trains Aikido for Aikidos sake. They're both fine depending on your own goals but not comparable.
I agree with you but please remember that not all aikidokas teach aikido as an art of fighting but rather as an art of peace. People learn karate to lear how break bricks so they can break someone's skull with their bare hands, that is stupid, if they want to break someone's skull, just take the damn brick and hit someone's head with it.
@@misterprogressive8730 An art of Peace and an art of living that will keep you living long and strong.
Some people realize that in life we face a battle with nature much more often than we need to bash people or risk getting bashed.
True, but I got the impression Quarky thinks his aikido will be effective against someone focussed on taking him down, and I doubt that very much.
I would say that you might be correct in a sense. Aikido is not about defense, although anyone utilizing aikido principles will be safe from attack without "defending." Aikido is about proactive non-resistance. Defense always involves some resistance, and Morihei Ueshiba teaches us that aikido is non-resistant. Defense is as likely to create a struggle as to end an attack, but non-resistance allows the attack to fail without any struggle whatsoever (if you don't count the struggle inside the brain to respond automatically and involuntarily with resistant responses).
A little friendly sparring/randori would answer many questions. Why didn't u try?
I suggested a few minutes of jiyu-waza near the end of the second video of this series. Corky was not interested in doing that.
@@tristanchermack6735 ok, thanks for the answer :)
Lenny... really simple question: Why didn't you put him through the Seagal "Dan test" to see how he would do? You would get your answer pretty much straight away. Not saying Seagal's test in the most realistic form of attack but it's more real than 99.9% of Aikido out there.
My god, there's no technique or arts could save you from a surprise attack.🤣
It's a question of degree though - what might be a "surprise attack" to one person, is something that was telegraphed long since to a potentially more experienced and/or aware different person - who might have diffused/avoided/defended differently.
I don't even know where this conversation is going any more. Corky is giving me a headache.
Time for his meds
@@TheMoodyedge didn't know they had meds for Alzheimer's 🤣😂
Thanks mr. Lenny aly for your video's they are real and your for real about all of it
The most important takeaway I get is people like Corky who trained in Aikido for years, have actually developed his delusion so profoundly that he actually believes he has some mythical ki, centering power that will kick in when he needs it! He is that delusional!
ha ha - except that it has "kicked in" every time I've needed it! No delusion if it is backed up with experience!
I like to keep my comments short an sweet. Fact is dorky corky has absolutely no idea what happens in a true fight. He'll train a guy to get hurt.
“However, Ueshiba Morihei Sensei himself, who was my master at one point, expressed himself in the following manner. He said, “In a real fight, Aikido is 70 percent atemi and 30 percent throwing.” Based on my own experience, I can say this is precisely the case”-Gozo Shioda Shihan, ‘Aikido Shugyo: Harmony in Confrontation’ (translated by Jacques Payet and Christopher Johnston), pages 17-18
Not to be repetitive, but this is worth posting again! Look, when it comes to Aiki or Kokyu (oshikiuchi, etc.), O-Sensei was the best at it! There have been none better at it, and many of the best that followed him learned directly from him (Koichi Tohei, Seigo Yamaguchi, etc.) O-Sensei in his prime was probably the greatest martial artist of the 20th century
So why is O-Sensei saying this to Shioda or anyone else?
LENNY is trying to help PEOPLE to survive in the CRAZY WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!GREAT JOB ALL YOU ROGUE WARRIOR'S
A Martial art is a War Art, a practice of a Warrior to kill. It starts from there, it's foundation is there, and it then may be dialed back in polite society, not the other way around. The other way around is a dangerous road of self delusion.
Mr. Quakenbush is never going to understand the dynamics of a real fight until he's been in a few and until then he will tell himself he can magically avoid the fight.
When I was working with cops I would always run into the true believer type who had managed to convince themselves nobody could get their gun from them or take them to the ground or something else. Then within 5 minutes of training I would do to them what they insisted could never happen.
It's not that I'm a fantastic fighter it's that the cop simply papered over the flaw in his argument with "but I'd *never* be there."
Unfortunately, because they don't believe they'll ever be there they usually end up on disability or dead when they finally get there because they never trained for what to do when they got there.
Just my two cents ..... Keep up the good work, Lenny!
By utilizing aikido principles there is no need to "understand the dynamics of a real fight" because aikido is not fighting. You imply that I have never been in a "real fight" but that doesn't account for the times I have been actually attacked, including twice when my assailants pointed firearms at me.
It's quite a fantasy that things that can be demonstrated in a controlled environment such as doing "to them what they insisted could never happen" would in any way come close to a similar event in an actual real environment.
There is no doubt that training is valuable, but fear based training is going to rely on fear based responses. Aikido trains us to cultivate courage so that we can actively participate in seeing that the attack end without ANYONE being hurt.
The closer an attacker attacks you the slower is your reaction time. At close quarter you have to depend on having hand to hand contact. Sensitivity to touch is faster than sight.
my opinion (for what its worth) is you need Sensei Quakenbush's essence with Sensei Sly's practical training. The feeling and connection and energy with practicle application. Aikido is not Aikido without the principals Aikido is not affective without realistic training! What each should have taken away from this is hey I need more relax and sink, and hey I need to up my training game to make it affective. I have bounced, worked in security for years and have seen my fair share of mayhem. I practice Aikido for over 20 years. People in conflict want to take your head off its my training that keeps me in a state of relaxed awareness (zanshin) to react to the potential threat as it comes (takemusu). It was the realistic training mixed with the principals that allowed me to react in real time. In a conflict you must be resolved that you will get struck you will get hurt. Its training that allows us to minimize the occurrence and react accordingly. Again just my two cents worth. Thank Sensei Sly for providing your videos and thank you Sensei Quakenbush for participating.
You've brought up some great points here. In real life conflict attacks occur when the desire to take someone's head off transcends the person's natural tendency to insure safety first. And the potential threat is that the threshold will be breached. The kinetic threat is subject to aikido as long as the principles of aiki are observed in practice. What stops the principles of aikido from being utilized? Limbic system defensive programming. That's why for the history of martial arts zanshin was necessary to precipitate takemusu aiki.
Ok so after watching Corky’s videos on his channel then coming back to this part 3, I have come to the conclusion that Corky is dead set on maintaining a complete opposite direction that Lenny and others have been trying to change in Aikido this past year. Corky is what’s keeping Aikido back. He just fails to acknowledge what happens in the real world. I feel bad for his students honestly. They don’t seem to be learning real skills to defend themselves let alone modifying Aikido for real world application. It looks comical to be honest. Sometimes you just gotta let it go Lenny. Keep going your way with the passion to bring Aikido back and sadly guys like Corky stay behind. I just don’t see him changing his weird theories and connection nonsense. Thanks for the videos guys.
Aikido is love, harmony and peace...selfdefence meen not fight and not get hurt...People pls wake up and Stop to invite the fight in you, start to love each other, the world peace beginns by Yourself...Quarky is right...People of all arround the globe...we all are able to cancel any fight but instead we accept somehow the fight...let the ego dissapare, dont proove on the street wos better...it brings you only in a big trouble..winner doesnt exist...im a street kid from 90's Bratislava downtown where steroid street fight bullies was a daily rutine...Quarky teaching is about to handle your center of gravity and mantain the calmness what he mastered very well..its not nesessary to hit, break or distroy...learn to know yourself first and make peace..live with the harmony of the nature..nobody is better or worse..make love and peace is the thrue message from O. Sensei and dont forget to train hard because from nothing comes nothing.Peace my friend.
My direction in aikido is not an arbitrary path meant to prove one thing or another, it is to discover how and why aikido effortlessly changes the outcome of an altercation from a winner and a loser to an outcome in which attacking makes no sense.
Of course, connection is essential. It is essential whether one is talking about fighting or aikido. If it were "nonsense" then fighters would win fights without connecting with their opponents. Obviously there needs to be connection in any regard, but the nature of the connection determines whether the connection will result in a struggle or an effortless resolution.
One thing you wrote that I agree with whole-heartedly is that my students are not learning defense skills, although the skills they are learning will make defense unnecessary. Defense is a by-product of aikido. If aikido were effective at all as a defense you would see it in fights. You may see some jujutsu that resembles aikido in a fight but it wouldn't be aikido, it would be... a fight.
@@Kakushitoride I meant no disrespect sir. My apologies and thank you for responding 🙏🏼
Here we go again. Looks like the only concept used within Quakenbush practice is awareness, so you just need to be aware and avoid dangerous sh*t. That’s a new one and obviously has nothing to do with common sense. What happened to O-Sensei thesis that “Aikido is 90% sweat and 10% of philosophy”? The absence of committed full-blown practice and more importantly real-life situations involving confrontation leads to such illusions. As one of my instructors once said: “you’d better perform a 1000 ukemi on a concrete instead, at least it’ll be worth something”.
I totally get it. Quakenbush method is internal - ie playing with subtle energy flow that is always in flux - body feeling and redirecting energy. Lennys method is martial and quite short sighted in my opinion. Q is trying to get L to play but L is caught up in a technique centric martial POV where there is no compromise. That is fine but there is also a time and place for both work. Be open and learn otherwise your art just becomes a self defense.
Lol
They cant agree of the definition of Aikido, for me, Quakenbush is doing Aikido while Leny is doing Aikijutsu, totally diferent things ,
Aikido is an Art of Peace , Aikijutsu is a Fighting Technique. Arts is not Fights. These differ on purpose.
Arts are expression of principles or ideas of beauty, order or possibilites through mediums such as painting, sculpture or dances. Aikido is a dance depicting mercy and respect to human life against violent attacks & to end fights, through muscle memory.
while Fighting Techniques are the most effective and efficient intentional body movement against an attack and to break attacker's body or life.
1. Pre-war "Aikido" (at that time there was no name yet but called Ueshiba Art ) taught by Osensei is very much still an AIKIJUTSU, the parent Martial Fighting Technique (not Art) of Takeda Sensei. In the sense now in practice by the present organization such as Tenshin and Iwama-Saito and Yoshinkan, this pre-war technique shouldnot be called aikido but AIKIJUTSU Fight techniques. The purpose is to use Aiki in defeating violent forces (no enemy) with or without use of preemptive & counter strikes with intention cause injury to the attacking person to disable from continuing the attack. Aikijutsu has no rules but applicable only in conflicts where there is figthing.
2. Post War Aikido as it was then called , is the refined set of techniques that become an ART, because of the MacArthur's ban on proliferation of studying Martial Fight Techniques. In the present , this is the ART that Osensei wants the world to recognize, not the aikijutsu of the pre-war era. The successor of Osensei, who are the generations of Doshus in Hombu Dojo, are the maintainer and main source of prescribed way of AIKIDO , this will also include Koichi Tohei's group and branches. This is the present AIKIDO Art of Peace. The purpose is to use the principle of Aiki to communicate peace and harmony by neutralizing attack forces (no enemy) and bring the attacker and his force to emptiness, without employing any counter strikes or premptive injurious strikes.
Aikido is an art of peace , not of combat self defense , Aikido is a self defense against senseless "fighting" by prevention or neutralization of force not the attacker. Aikido has no rules outside the dojo and can be use at all times at any conflict situation including figting-(most difficult to master & must be deliberately trained for to achieve).
What is aikido? A martial art for self-preservation. How effective is it? Effective. How proficient are you as an aikidoa? Touch hands with someone who’s not complying then you’ll know immediately. Or try randori....
It doesn’t matter how you explain, quantify or justify your way, reality will always show you how much you don’t know.
The thing I don’t understand about aikido is that looking at their forms it uses defenses to things that aren’t attacks. No one lunges into attacks, no on stands still after grabbing a wrist, no one sprints at you and uses one singular karate chop.
When these methods of defeating unrealistic attacks get applied to defending realistic attacks it just wouldn’t work unless you strip down the technique and cut down the floweriness
It would be like trying to defend yourself after studying film fight scene choreography. You’re using unrealistic answers to unrealistic attacks, not realistic answers to realistic attacks
Again I don't do Aikido so these are just my thought and they could be wrong. It seem s that the older man is trying to use/train his Aikido in a way that is against someone that doesn't want to hurt them. If that is the case why would he need to use it in the first place.
This example of the broken up bar fight where the guy comes back and attacks the other guy when he's not looking is an example of the importance of zanshin.
Again EXACTLY
Exactly!
Wisdom will get you further then anything else be intelligent always be one step ahead of everybody and 90 percent of the time you will be able to avoid conflict. when its time for conflict yeah speed and technique are very very important but all is predicated on your wisdom on when and how to use it.
GREAT JOB LENNY,trying to make the AIKIDIO WORLD to grow. To deal with LOW-LOSERS on the STREET,that have no regard for HUMAN LIFE. But if some people do not want to listen. They are going to find out the HARD WAY!!!!!!!!!
I have been watching this and I just don't get what Quackenbush and his people are getting at you, either defend yourself or not, once you are engaged with someone things will happen fast.
i dont get it what is the point of Quakenbush explaining how "aikido works"!? Yes balance, awareness, center of your core, movement all that is presented in any fight, but "soft" approach techniques against someone that is stronger, or skilled(we cant know if they are or are not skilled in not controllable environment ), finishing fight fast is crucial, or avoiding it (with awareness or movement) is even better, some aikido techniques do WORK but they are all dependable on situation, opponent, environment...etc...Quakenbush did not present his point very well.
In the beginning, you are talking about situational awareness. Extremely important no matter what you train or do.
Came back to read through some of these comments... And damn! The testosterone beat the crap out of the opponent mindsets and straight up disrespect toward someone who may have a differing opinion is astounding. Anyone ever hear this one? “It is only when mosquito lands on your balls that you realize there is a way to solve problems without using violence.”
Look... I've worked out with Quakenbush. I've debated and argued ad nauseam with him over these very issues more than once. And I'm not some devoted convert to his way of thinking. But having given him a fair hearing with an open mind, I do see he has some points that Lenny's group weren't even hearing. I've also spent time with a Tenshin Aikido teacher and been banged up in training. So I've seen both sides of this. Now if we want to say Quakenbush wouldn't stand a chance against Lenny or one of his guys in a cage match? I'd agree. But cage matches and fulfilling fantasies of being some Steven Seagal wannabe isn't what Corky Quakenbush is teaching. And if that's what YOU are training for... You may be sadly disappointed if and when your moment comes. And if your only solution is to ground and pound a "bad guy", you may find yourself with a bad result. 1) Maybe you win the fight, but you go to jail OR 2) you ain't as big and bad as you think, they win the fight. And you still go to jail or the hospital or the morgue.
Quakenbush's focus is first in de-escalating violence before it gets going. Not to ground and pound an attacker into submission and teach them a lesson as a response to some jerk's bad life choices. His goal is to change the guy's mind about attacking by first not being a threat himself. (And yes, there is a risk to this option. But there's a risk to the other one too.) Quakenbush's teachings are also more "organic" and "spontaneous" in nature, not technique oriented. And his teaching approach also help one to see your Fight/Flight/Freeze reactions and how you get triggered. (Something I don't believe he got to flesh out in the discussion, but something that applies in daily life.) And the reality is... His approach is a difficult thing to demonstrate. It is an approach that takes time to develop. But if his ideas can be trained up to handle the speed and honesty of attack even with the softness of response some of you are complaining about... It would be the kind of Aikido Ueshiba spoke about.
I do agree in a way with what you are saying. I've been watching this channel for a while and Lenny always came acrossed as high intensity, sometimes even aggressive but, I am kind of having the feeling that it is because the perceived animosity (or real) that he thinks he got from traditional aikido circles and aikido doubters. With that said, I think he is very reserved already in these videos. What Lenny and his students said about real life situation is real and anyone who had been in street fight or witnessed someone getting jumped can attest to it, and I felt Lenny student (sorry I didn't catch his name, the one in blue gi) explained that very well (he is seemingly calmer than Lenny). What he said was, Corky idea works in theory but his training doesn't reflect it at all. Honestly, I think it is very very soft and non resistance, good to train the connection, not very good in training techniques, probably even worse to train for real life situation. I think that is his point
@@mark9104 From a certain point of view, I get the "real life situation" argument. (I've argued that side of it before.) But when you also consider the work of guys like Tony Blauer and Rory Miller, you also begin see that there are steps that can be skipped before "techniques" are required. The reality is, to focus on Aikido, the Aiki Taiso exercises can offer the real first step in responding to an attack. For example, shomen uchi undo (viewed through the lens of Blauer's SPEAR approach or Rory Miller's wedge) demonstrate an initial "real life" response. This first response to an attack can provide a pause to gain control (control of one's own emotional reactions as well as control of the attacker). What happens AFTER first contact becomes based on what the attacker "asks for". The "Uke" will ask for a "technique". (This is a concept I learned working out with Corky, not with the Tenshin Aikido experience.) Too often the technique oriented approach teaches students to learn how to force a square peg into a round hole and make a technique work through brute force. But that doesn't seem to be the intent of the founder. It also makes the art useless for a smaller, weaker practitioner against big aggressive guys built like Lenny and his guys.
By the way, I made a comment earlier on the video and how Lenny and friends discussed the issue. My 2nd comment above was directed more at the comments and keyboard warriors who want to trash someone they've probably never even interacted with.
@@AikiPrinciple I'm not that well read about blauer but I read a lot of Geoff Thompson and his guys when I was younger. I have no disagreement about disengaging, just that I am not sure this is the way to train.
mark9104 Hey... If Corky’s approach isn’t your cup of tea, no issue. But if you have a chance, go to a seminar and do just what you would any other seminar. Take what you can from it and forget the rest.
I hate to break it to you but not everyone can be talked down from being the first to attack you because you don't know what's going off in their minds. They may not be on their meds and they're spiralling out of control mentally. Or they are deluded on ilicit drugs or they could be a psycho path who doesnt see any wrong in physically attacking people.
I talk from personal experience because I have been attacked by someone that was mentally ill and was abusing drugs too. Not a good mix I know but I couldn't really communicate properly to someone that was in such a erratic psychotic state. And you can't. Everything was coming out of him. All the aggression in the world he was giving me. And I've been doing Aikido for 6 years.
Quarky is only talking fundamentals here not applications. And there is a big difference between aesthetic fundamentals in the dojo and real world practical application which is usually using the simple things to pull off.
haha the towel on the belly at the end
I must've missed it.
They cant agree of the definition of Aikido, for me, Quakenbush is doing Aikido while Leny is doing Aikijutsu, totally diferent things ,
Aikido is an Art of Peace , Aikijutsu is a Fighting Technique. Arts is not Fights. These differ on purpose.
Arts are expression of principles or ideas of beauty, order or possibilites through mediums such as painting, sculpture or dances. Aikido is a dance depicting mercy and respect to human life against violent attacks & to end fights, through muscle memory.
while Fighting Techniques are the most effective and efficient intentional body movement against an attack and to break attacker's body or life.
1. Pre-war "Aikido" (at that time there was no name yet but called Ueshiba Art ) taught by Osensei is very much still an AIKIJUTSU, the parent Martial Fighting Technique (not Art) of Takeda Sensei. In the sense now in practice by the present organization such as Tenshin and Iwama-Saito and Yoshinkan, this pre-war technique shouldnot be called aikido but AIKIJUTSU Fight techniques. The purpose is to use Aiki in defeating violent forces (no enemy) with or without use of preemptive & counter strikes with intention cause injury to the attacking person to disable from continuing the attack. Aikijutsu has no rules but applicable only in conflicts where there is figthing.
2. Post War Aikido as it was then called , is the refined set of techniques that become an ART, because of the MacArthur's ban on proliferation of studying Martial Fight Techniques. In the present , this is the ART that Osensei wants the world to recognize, not the aikijutsu of the pre-war era. The successor of Osensei, who are the generations of Doshus in Hombu Dojo, are the maintainer and main source of prescribed way of AIKIDO , this will also include Koichi Tohei's group and branches. This is the present AIKIDO Art of Peace. The purpose is to use the principle of Aiki to communicate peace and harmony by neutralizing attack forces (no enemy) and bring the attacker and his force to emptiness, without employing any counter strikes or premptive injurious strikes.
Aikido is an art of peace , not of combat self defense , Aikido is a self defense against senseless "fighting" by prevention or neutralization of force not the attacker. Aikido has no rules outside the dojo and can be use at all times at any conflict situation including figting-(most difficult to master & must be deliberately trained for to achieve).
3. Use Aikijutsu to the extent that the Criminal Laws wil not be violated , in such a way that the means employed to defend against an attack are not excessive or not results in greater injury to the attacker from the prior intent of the attacker.
Thanks for the great historical perspective, @leusmaximus2928. Another aspect of history shows us a lineage and evolution of social consciousness and human rights, one that begins with the beginning of Law. The imposition of law to replace the anarchy of lawless determination of who lives and who dies evolved to representative governments and expanded human rights. The US Constitution, the first written law to acknowledge the right for humans to self-govern, is an example.
Our human evolution includes and evolution of our technology, and it was in the early portions of the 20th Century that saw shifts in consciousness regarding response to aggression. This shift demonstrated an ability of the modern human brain to conceive truth in the paradox that non-violence is more effective in dismantling violence than violence. Mohandas Gandhi demonstrated a technology of non-violent actions to be free from brutal forces occupying India. He demonstrated the power of non-violence to overcome violence in a societal way.
At the same time in history, Ueshiba became the first human to develop a technology for non-violence that can be used individual to individual. Even though for centuries before warriors acknowledged the precepts of benevolence, respect and self-control, the ability for a critical mass of individuals evolved enough to understand the martial effectiveness of those internal qualities took until the 1900's. Osensei took what was a life-taking art into one that was a life-saving art.
What I see many people failing to understand are the differences between fighting and aikido, and along with that how intention must shift away from defense in order to embrace bushido. Fighting is nothing but resistance. An attack needs resistance for it to be effective, and defensive actions are all resistant to the effects of attack. The reason a division of weight classes in sport fighting show how certain physical properties can affect the outcome of an adversarial confrontation.
Aikido, on the other hand, is non-resistant. In the words of Osensei, aikido is invincible because it "contends with nothing." The trajectory of energy of a committed attack is the same no matter the size or shape of the attacker, and it inevitably goes into the ground. Osensei has given us an art in which by remaining connected to an attacker outside the attacker's effective range while turning the linear kinetic energy of an attack into spiral energy by rotation and remaining off the line and moving consistently toward the changing center between bodies allows the energy of the attack to safely dispel into the ground by lack of resistance.
On very interesting moment in the video above that doesn't seem to get much attention is when the guy in the blue gi is describing some friend of his suffering from PTSD who will not let anyone get close to him without him turning off the line. At 14:00 minutes, blue gi guy describes how this friend turns off the line when anyone threatens to move within the range of effectiveness. At around 15:00 blue gi guy demonstrates how my intention to grab him by the throat or lapels is thwarted by his simple turning off the line of my attack, and how this allows my intention to proceed to put me into a shiho nage position. After a little discussion about how my attack intention coupled with his turns off the line produced aikido, at 15:12 blue gi guy recounts how he told his PTSD suffering friend that "you're teaching aikido, and you don't even know it." So despite his adversarial challenges to my point of view, he appears to accept that what I had been speaking of as aikido is in alignment with his true beliefs.
Aikido requires a transcendence of the fight/flight/freeze responses to a perception of threat to move in a non-resistant way.
Thanks for the inspiring comment!
That’s the problem with identifying yourself with a specific system. “I do Aikido, karate, jujitsu,etc”. You immediately limit yourself. I don’t do anything. I’m not constrained by the techniques or concepts of any art, system etc. I use everything that I’ve learned, seen, experienced, and personally adapted over the past 50 years of my training. All of it real world tested.
@@gladius2489 there is a lot in what you wrote I agree with, but I don't find aikido limiting in any way except for coercion, in which I am personally not interested. Aikido was "real world tested" for me on a number of occasions, including random attacks, and attacks in which those attacking me used firearms. I gave up practicing techniques, which I found to be detrimental. However, the concepts of aikido, as I see them, have never failed me, even early in my practice when my understanding of them was less developed.
This is the QUINTESSENTIAL manifestation of everything that is wrong in Aikido. Watching this reminded me what we used to do after class till 12am in the car park after evening classes. Arguing and fighting with difference of opinion with no satisfactory outcome except wasted time. I got to the point where I decided to leave Aikido for good. My gut was telling me it was the right time to go. And it has been the best decision I ever made. I took my hakama off 7 years ago, folded it up and put it away and never looked back. I realised how much Aikido was polluting me, stifling me, oppressing me, holding me back and flat out depressing me. I had simply outgrown Aikido. Not because am better. It just wasn't doing anything to enhance my life anymore and I felt I needed to move on after 25 years of study and studying with so many different teachers. I look at videos like this now and just giggle. I can find the humour in it now, back then I was so passionate about it, I'd stay up all night discussing it.
So sorry that you left aikido without finding any of its value. This is not uncommon. If you are old enough to remember those computer generated images that were very popular briefly, they appeared at first glance to be rather abstract images as one's eyes take in the art as a two dimensional "obvious" sheet of paper with nothing about it representing an image of anything else. Then a shift in perspective allowed the eyes to take in the artwork in a way in which the lack of focus allowed the eyes to adjust to the stereoscopic elements of the art and then viewers could see the three dimensional feature of the art. Many people got very frustrated by their inability to see what others around them would suddenly see and proclaim. Once you were able to see it in one of the art pieces, then you could easily see the different objects in the different pieces. It takes a paradigm shift sometimes. The good news is that even though you gave up, the truth of it is still there for you waiting to be seen.
The midnight discussions you experienced were like some people gathered around that "magic art," some saying I know something good is in there but we're just not seeing it, some saying that they saw what they imagined was in the art but really wasn't what it was all about, and others who thought the whole thing was nothing more than an abstract computer-generated hodge-podge. It all totally makes sense, but once you uncover the secret and realize what's behind the curtain of your immediate perception, a new world opens up. Good luck to you in your search!
@@Kakushitoride Well with a response like that am not surprsed Aikido is dying. In fact it died along time ago. Best thing ever leaving it. I matured and life was better.
@@acquiesce100 lol... progress has always moved forward with a critical mass, not a majority. Aikido doesn't need everyone to understand in order to survive. best of luck to you in your journey!
@@Kakushitoride Corky - you are not listening to what I have said. Aikido is at an all time low. It has become a joke. People are not interested in it and it is basically on life support now. You all have a part to play in its demise. You brought it on yourselves. I predicted its downfall 20 years ago and I was proven right. It's pretty much DEAD and about to be BURIED.
@@acquiesce100 you're making broad generalizations that only look true when viewed through a prism of large populations practicing it. It has been a good thing for aikido as an art to shed the largest percentage of practitioners who have no idea what aikido really is.
That you are not interested in aikido certainly doesn't mean all people share your view. Even someone like yourself who says they don't care still manage to make it to a youtube aikido page and make a comment. It would seem to me that a lack of interest would come with a lack of action regarding what aikidoka are doing with the art. I take that as a promising sign that one day you will realize what you have been missing. Good luck with you in your journey, including not ignoring that which you think of as fanciful.
He’s never been in a fight outside his dojo.
He's never been in a fight INSIDE his dojo either.
I cant believe what i'm seeing and hearing. Lenny show this soft arty farty the real side of Aikido does he really think this will help students in a real confrontation? While he's thinking of a magical solution i would have knocked him out 10 times over. I believe the only one with any sense and experience is Sensei Lenny Sly. I bow to you lenny with full respect.
As I’ve said before here I am by no means an Aikido practitioner I am a karateka. But I do know the way you train in the dojo will be the way you act in the street. Will it be perfect ? No. But your reflexes, timing, speed, power etc will be better by it. I don’t care who you are if I don’t know you then you’re getting AT LEAST a legs distance from me. And even then I may or may not have the time it takes to read what you’re about to do. You have to be aware at all times. THATS martial arts. And I’ll only use it to defend me or my family. I think I know what he was saying but here again I’m going with Lenny’s teaching regardless. I want to be sharp. Lenny I take what I can from you and use it. I’ve never actually had a fight in the street. And ya know what that’s ok with me. But when I train I’m going to do it such a way that prepares me to be as ready as I can. To the point where it becomes natural. And that takes a WHOLE freakin lot of practice no matter who you are. Great stuff Lenny and thank you for always sharing with all of us.
Love to see this type of collab with Systema, Krav Maga, Defendo (Bill Wolfe) or pressure tested styles.
why is there barbed wire mounted on your internal walls?
I never noticed that lol. Is it barbed or razor wire? I think it's to give the look of a prison yard where violence happens. Funny enough, the very thing they were talking about (situational awareness) is how most people get shanked in prison.
because now youzzz cant leave
russell kriehn LOL
One further comment. Quacky there needs a lesson in iron sharpens iron. Real time sparring
Hi would you not use the fence too stop them from getting to close .
Why are you even letting him get that close? Situational awareness
I think they are talking past one another...or rather...about different aspects of the same art. Both are legit components but they are apples and oranges. They don't really belong in the same space at the same time...they represent...the full spectrum of the art. Maybe I misspoke. I don't know that they are...exclusionary. But neither are they...complimentary. Am I making any sense!? LOL
Robert Slaughter Yes, you make perfect sense IF you allow for Corky’s argument being one for martial presence within application and Lenny’s argument in favor of hard bujitsu has its limits on the street. That bridges this gap.
Many thanks for assisting and giving your energy and time to create this video.
What you describe 'in the beginning' (God created.. sorry lol my bad 😂😂)
Happened to myself, about six years ago. I found myself, set upon by (allegedly) three fellas.. I was shitfaced! Blind drunk.. saw my Sister walking up, so I had intended, before being inconvenienced most terribly by the three young men, to escort her home..
All I can recall, is shouting to my Sister, then, all of a sudden feeling a terrible sharp shock on the left side of my jaw.. Honestly, I remember saying.. 'fucking hell was that..??' (Not knowing of the assault in progress. ) Then, almost immediately followed by another strike to the opposite side, which again.. wtf, moment was thought.. (meanwhile, Danger, Danger Will Robinson, was sounding off 😂😂😂) Yet I couldn't identify the source at this time.. Then a third strike knocked me on the ground.. I then, real eyesed what was happening, laughed and began to express how weak his punches were.. and how much he was in trouble.. (Bullet tooth Tony style from Snatch, for context.)
I remember laughing saying, 'someone hits like a bitch! You're in trouble now!!'
However.. Much to the effort I we mustering whilst rising to stand, muttering the words.. I recollect a face, speaking.. 'hit like a bitch, do I?'
Of course I said yes! However.. having being in such a shitfaced state.. I finally was knocked semi unconscious.. I swear I span 360 on the spot before I fell.. can't be sure.. anyway, I remember thinking.. hmm... sleep time.. actually comforting thought, but couldn't understand why my face was making this noise.. (impacts of kicks) 3/4 I remember.. Then all I rember was my sister's face frantically saying my name..
All because, previous in the same night, I restrained a man aafter seeing him, raining down blows upon another chap, laid out, star fished, unconscious.. I was tempted to choke him to sleep, but in the moment, it became apparent as a bad idea, given the environment. I actually said to him, 'I have no intention to hurt you, I just want to stop you, don't attack me when I let you go'
I took away his power, momentarily..
18 months or so later, I began learning Aikido at Two Circles, Doncaster. Currently holding the rank of 5th kyu after near four years now.
Aikido.. the enigma lol So thankful it chose me. Just a shame it took at least 18 years to find a place after picking up the call which had been ringing for so long..
Today.. I find my senses more attuned.. Had a meeting with a unhappy staff member.. Had the most odd, momentary feeling in response to one of my questions.. almost a go-no-Sen, moment..
I could read your stories for hours 👍
What is a dance class,what does did you take my keys have to do with SURVIVING ON THE STREETS. SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!@ How did the ROGUE WARRIOR'S continue without LAUGHING.
Issue: I have never had an attacker come up to me and grab my wrist.
What I have had is an attacker come at me from my flank in a lunging motion with both arms out. My instinct was a quick kick to the ribs and that attack was over. The guy just folded in pain. I felt bad but hey!! What was I supposed to do.....wait and think about it? He wasn't planning on giving me a big hug for fun.
The other typical attack I've experienced is guys that take a few steps and telegraph a right roundhouse punch. These are the most typical two types of frontal attacks.
The next type of attack is generally a front kick.
The side headlock and the headlock from behind are the other typical attacks.
That's 5 of the most popular attacks that all students should be able to defend against within 30 days if they work hard at the techniques. From there they will only get better and add more techniques.
IMHO.
Corky has no concept of real fighting, and he likes to twist what ever LENNY and his instructors are trying to say. Corky give us a F××KING BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!
so you guys know it all? They are trying to share something that they feel is useful
Who is who in your reference?
His head is full of magic.
At 3:15 the gentleman made a great point, and the man in the blue tried to wash it away.
Awareness is the most effective self defense tool you can ever cultivate. Without it, you're always vulnerable to a sucker punch.
The older gentleman makes very valid points, the guy in the blue just wants to look for conflict in situations.
NIK I’m sorry, but that is ridiculous. One of O-Sensei’s students tells the story-per John Stevens’ biography-that one time O-Sensei was confronted by an angry farmer for walking through his unmarked field. Did the Master kick his butt? No. He humbly apologized, warmly greeted him, and left the situation calmly. In my lifetime I’ve seen amazing examples of this. Turning anger into laughter. CORE and SNCC taught their civil disobedience protesters to always look their aggressors in the eye to attempt to bring about a psychological conversion-in essence, to poison the bigotry inside them.
Aikido, as taught by my teachers’ teacher Mitsugi Saotome, is an avenue to developing this kind of individual. One of Saotome’s students heard him say that O-Sensei taught that the most powerful weapons are “courtesy” and “kindness”. If you are a warm individual, you have a warm life. If your warmth is returned with coldness, then you know to get ready for a possible conflict. Today there is Verbal Judo, CPI, and many other forms of conflict resolution.
NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH A GUY HEADBUTTING YOU IN THE FACE WITHOUT WARNING! Awareness will put you on guard, but then what? Sadly, no one is talking about the effects of a good, strong “KIAI!” deep from the hara can have on a situation, but violence is violence-whether dealt with in a nonresistant way or otherwise-until it stops being violence. Period.
Corky makes a good point about having a posture and sense about oneself that repels conflict...but once it’s on and cracking, THAT’S IT until it’s over and dealt with!
I can see both sides. Some people take martial arts just to go out and fight. That's why UFC and bellator is popular now. For others it's self defense against those previously mentioned and any other attacker
@@gregoryw.1160
No one is denying violence.
If you see it around every corner, then that's how you view life.
How did the guy just materialize out of the ether to head butt you? Why did he head butt you? What did you do to deserve it? Was it just head butting day at the super market? You get what I am saying right?
I am a training martial artist and practice violence regularly, but in my practice, I realize that fighting takes a long time to materialize and it takes two people to start a fight. Yes a loud "KIA" is great, all these ideas are great. Kicks, punches, throws, all of these are great to know how to do and do them well.
Though Lenny is coming from a place of complete violence, everything he see's, he see's potential violence... well, then it makes sense that he trains that way because of what you said.
It's how people pontificate about gun defense.
NIK If Lenny is coming from a place “of complete violence” in your estimation, then so is every Jeet Kune Do teacher and every Okinawan Karate teacher. ALL of them.
Fighting materializes, I agree, but it does not always take a long time and often does not. When you watch O-Sensei in his classic Aiki-Budo film, you don’t see him as Corky puts it, create a situation “that Aikido can unfold”. He instantly throws or pins the ukes without hesitation EACH time. Kuzushi on contact. Each technique has an atemi that is not always obvious-except to Saito, Shioda, Shirata, and others that he showed them to-and those atemi often have kyusho, vital point potential.
What you’re talking about is not what he taught before American occupation forces took over-and he continued to teach in Iwama afterwards. Look at his ‘Budo’ manual. Look at Daito Ryu Takumakai (developed after he taught at the Asahi Newspaper Dojo). Look up “Sudden Street Fights” on RUclips.
Do your homework, brother!
I see what you're saying.
I am not against the violent path of meeting someone unwilling to stop aggression. Violence is necessary. Though there is level 1, conflict resolution of a basic disagreement, and 100, full blown fight to the death. Working on 2 to 99 is the lifetime practice of a martial artist.
Traditional Hapkido has incorporated the aspects of Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu very well.
If you live in a reality where combat is as common as the sun rising out of the East, then why practice Aikido? Practice some forms of military combat, carry and knife or gun. Then eventually make a better life to move out of that environment.
It comes down to preference. I practice violence regularly in my art, but I don't see it or seek it everywhere I go.
I'd say if Lenny was working in a pre-school, and not a bouncer, his views would be very different. Would you agree?
Lenny is more suitable for "catch " wrestling judging by his practical mind , he rejects anything unpractical .
The key is don't get in a fight period.
What would so the tick here is a good old sparring drill with someone off the street. Light sparring maybe up to 50% nothing crazy
How much do you charge for a seminar? I’m just curious Sensei.
It depends, where are you located?
ROGUE WARRIORS TV Thanks for the reply Sensei. I teach Tang Soo Do and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in California.
All I know is this, theres no talk or rationale if one puts their hands on me, its on.
There is not alot of rational thinking once someone is drinking etc in a bar
Whats up with these PANSY with not wanting to be thrown, GIVE ME A BREAK. These two guys are not real AIKIDO MASTERS like THE ROGUE WARRIORS . The ROGUE WARRIORS are really trying to show how to defend yourselves.
This guy keeps trying to defend his ideas but has no leg to stand on . I have no training what so ever other being a bouncer for 10 years I don't think this guy could even handle me . But he won't concede to your ideas he keeps trying to reason why his is better but he's full of s***
The second time I watch this video thinking I had miss something, but I was VERY WRONG!!!!!!!! corky just likes to TALK IN CIRCLES accomplishing nothing. OH! MY GOD!!!!!!!! .CORKY I THINK THERE IS SOME ROOM IN SPACE FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow! You missed so much! Practice for a few more years and you may gain greater understanding.
Lenny, you should have paid some punks off the street who don't know you, Gorky and anyone else to come in the dojo and just surprise attack him
That wouldn't be productive. Lenny got his point across in a very respectful way.
Yes someone off the street that doesn't train aikido to surprise attack(sparring) drill
1. Combat has nothing to do with Martial Arts.
2. This guy finds security in trying to analyze combat without having experience in it.
Coach Lenny. It would appear this man has zero knowledge of combat and is looking to managa his fear of combat with his belief. You use Aikido as a tool in combat. Not a perfect tool. This man would get wrecked in reality. Keep on with your own style.
Thank you for your thoughts.
please make videos with jo techniques
Traditional aikido vs aikijutsu is what I'm seeing here, Sly Sensei is more the original art and the other guy is Osensei aikikai. Aikijutsu was the samurai art that the warrior used if he lost or broke his sword. J train aikijutsu and I feel very confident that I can defend myself standing or on the ground as most fights are going to the ground within 30 seconds in my experience.
Everyone has Lots of Story to Tell ! LOL
I thought headbutt was atemi in aikido?? I mean even the sumos had headbutts and sumo is the origin of jujutsu, judo and aikido
I like watching this video and i wanna give my thoughts about it. Maybe it will help you seeking the truth. About that headbutt yess offcourse he could do that sneaky headbutt but also the other could do that same headbutt. But what got me really suprised is that you think that the fight would end right there. Well in my world and i was one time on the receiving and of the headbutt. The fight is JUST GOT STARTED by the headbutt. Now the grabbing, the fire, the no mercy is taking over and you are in a fight. So the question should be can Aikido save you in that fight. Or is wrestling boxing you way to safety a better option. And at the end of the video when that dude that is trying to prove something but i really believe he never felt any pain, the talks about that somebody was not knowing doing aikido, getting of line, get to the flank, get controle. Well i can tell you all fighting arts are teaching you that at white belt level. Nothing Aikido about it. I saw the three episodes and I wish Lenny the best doing this thing and I hope he will a way to do his thing. I believe there are techniques that you can pull of but there are also many fantasy stuff that will get you in the hospital.
Again another interesting and well written comment minasz, thank you for posting.
Lenny~
Traditional aikido only works in the dojo! I switched from yagyu ryu jujitsu to aikido in 1991 because of Seagal. trying to side step a push or a real punch doesn't work. Nor does being harmonious when your under a real street attack. Sorry aikikai
no skirts in bagua.
Poor old Corky.... Just doesn't really get it....
Saludos de mexico
That guy is feeding so much it makes me sick
It’s like this guy is pretending that getting attacked isn’t real lol. WTF do they train for?!
Argue that shit over a beer, the mat is for training. But, if I were at the bar with them, I tell old guy that he is the embodiment of what's wrong with Aikido. I'd tell tall guy that he's had too many beers and stop being a dick, but what he said is spot on. Then I'd ask Lenny not to video these pissing contests and let's see some of that good teaching. That's what I watch this channel for!
Triangulation and center of mass and gravity
The softest Aikido guy meets with the hardest. You know it won't be pretty.
Zanshin guys !!!Keep your hands up and assume you are gonna be attacked... Look him in the eyes, in the street.... You Stoopid ?
That was 18 minutes of my life wasted
Soft aikido in real life situatsion not work.
Bravo, exactly, some aikido moves does work, but soft moves without proper follow up hits are not useful !!
Egert käbi Lättekivi a lot of folks make fun or talk shit about Steven Seagal but if you watch the documentary on RUclips his students say his style of defense is for real life attacks , his seminars aren't very brutal but what he teaches man I wouldn't want to be the aggressor lol
Egert käbi Lättekivi NavySeal hand to hand video on RUclips with James Williams teaching aikijuijitsu is very good info
Sure it does. It works up to the point that a striking or grappling art is required. It's not always required. Distance, positioning, intent, presence, de-escalating and a whole lot of things can diffuse or avoid the next level of violence. It has its place. But once it goes beyond that level, then what? We are not going to just smash everyone that gets heated or argues with us. This is where Corky's ideas come into play.The next level is where Lenny's ideas step in.
What is Aikido?
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting" *
What is Aikido?
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."*
What is Aikido?
"Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." *
What is Aikido?
"Move swift as the Wind and closely-formed as the Wood. Attack like the Fire and be still as the Mountain."*
* The Art of War Sun Tzu
"Be at Peace. Peace I give to you Not of This World." *
This world of yin and yang of opposites is destined to be in constant turmoil any peace is momentary...not long lived...
* Jesus Christ
Presumably in any of the attacks exemplified in these discussions in an ineffective defense none of the above would have been followed ...
Keep practicing...Aiki ..in all its forms for understanding comes at differing space time continuum and consistent with individual level
From another 55+ years Aiki practitioner
Cheap shots are a part of life , corky what ever your name is,this so-called instructors does not want to grow or learn he keep says he knows but he real does not understand at all!!!!!!!!!!!
7:15 gay aikido
Its great to blend all styles of any MARTIAL ART to defend yourself. The ROGUE WARRIORS showing real self defense. Corky whats with the damn car key situations, is corky for REAL!!!!!!!! GROW UP Corky!!!!!!!!!!!!
So my aikido is bigger than yours.....that is what is all about
That was totally not the point of their discussion, Lenny was talking about "what to do" if someone aggressively going to attack-hit you in some random intense situation, and Quakenbush is assured that he can avoid attack with awareness and with his aikido experience, and that tells us that he never was(never saw) in real dangerous situation against some really strong and aggressive attacker.
And CORKY's Aikido is the Original ,AIKI KAI ; If Aikido is innefective in SLY's opinion then he can go for another system ,nobody forced his hands !
@@angel-rq4fz I think that depends on how you define original and real... Is O Sensei pre-war aikido real? It was much harder than when he was 80, shioda taught his own style based on early O Sensei techniques, is it aikido? How about tomiki Sensei with his judo inspired aikido?
@mark9104 : Yoshinkan Aikido(sport Aikido) and their extensive use of Low DACHI and getting Help from Hip shows that they don't trust their Aikido ; I invite you to search in youtube for SAOTOME sensei and George Ledyard to see how they do their move without that exagerated stance of Yoshinkan relying on HIP .
@Milos Stojanovic : I saw Corky real demos against Punch and other Violent Attacks and they are very smooth and practical with no need of strength ,Speed and quickness ;Knowledge of QI ,distance control and Biomechanics are enough ; As George Ledyard says : There are many Bad Aikidos around .
You do not always need to use just aikido you use what ever martial arts you need to, this is why corky LOL will never grown. Corky keeps saying he knows corky know SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cobra Kai Aikido
Very good debate.
omg lenny
Whaaaat?
ROGUE WARRIORS TV how did you keep your cool
@@southcoastaikido3004 Obviously he didn't not which is rather uncool an emotionalized.
@@amuthi1 dude go sit on your hands
Why bother talking about a sudden head butt. May as well talk about a gun hidden in a sleeve. If someone plans to kill you, there is not much you can do. You want to deal with a tough guy throwing punches and kicks. That's all. No one starts a fight walking towards the other guy with arms extended. Thats what you are demonstrating. Show something realistic.
But it seems all these guys assume a street thug is going to initiate a fight by grabbing your wrist.
Perry, because head butts happen on the street. And if you grab my left hand I will punch you with my right hand.
From what I'm seeing in all three videos, there are a few simple conclusions, that stood true for me for years:
99% of western Aikido instructors have an understanding of Aikido on a level of a white belt
You can't train for sucker punches
There are GREAT differences between training Self Defense, Martial Art and an Art
All three require an adjusted approach to teaching the same techniques
100% of Aikido instructors in the west don't actually understand the difference
Overall Aikido training and testing methods need to be adjusted
ROGUE WARRIORS , i do not know how you stopped yourselves from just SMASHING THESE TO IDIOTS!!!!!!!I I would have quickly because they try to show that there aikido is more effective when it really is not, and do not listen or try to learn anything , but knocking things LENNY and the other guy are trying to show them way it works and doesn't work.
Quackenbush is annoying