aye, i think anything an F1 team create should be allowed and kept no matter what, these people are the smartest mechanics the world will know. banning their innovations is just stupid. F1 needs cars with hidden secrets to keep it more .... unbalanced.
@@preacherz01 I agree, but that's only in the case that the inclusion of the innovation doesn't result in "extended periods of one handed driving", or otherwise doesn't give them a very significant edge.
McLaren: "Ok.We need to make sure no one sees that our drivers are using the F-duct" Basically every other team: "LMAO, let's just one hand so everybody sees it."
The reason other teams had to use their hands were due to the drivers survival cell being homologated at the start of the season. Mclaren had designed their safety cell with a hole for the leg to activate it, other teams were not able to punch a hole in it for their leg to activate it, hence using their hands instead.
@@armands3153 nah that aint right. come do plumbing and piping work in a derelict house without adequate lighting and comfortable spacing to do ya job. trying to get a pipe cutter onto a gullied oxidised pipe thats 3 ft below the ground floor of a house.
@@irish_mcrae1892 its because they competitors are too lazy to think of ways to make a f duck that doesnt involve the use of one hand and its people like that who got it bannedf
The FIA should just put some rails on the track. That’s the “safest” option. Don’t forget to give Ferrari a separate set on the inside line so they don’t whine
I get the feeling that RUclips channels don't actually understand what "why" means. This is a good overview of the various implementations, but it doesn't at all answer the question of *why* it was banned.
Coder Stone that’s not a reason for why they lobby that innovations be banned. You could say “unfair advantage” but that’s not entirely true given the technology is in its infancy.
@@dimitriyakovic1522 - Have you ever listened to a snowmobile competition? Well, that's CVT racing, there's only FORWARDS and BACKWARDS. The 4 most famous vehicles with CVT are electric cars (and some hybrids like the Prius), Polaris UTVs, direct-drive karts and mopeds.
FIA really seems to have missed the ENTIRE point of F1: To promote innovation of cutting edge technology to makes cars get to the finish line as quickly as possible.
mainstream residential cars have been perfected over 10 years ago. People like bells and whistles and stuff that means they can become sh*ttier drivers. Does any racing vehicle have blind spot indicators, pedestrian collision technology or an ability to attempt to drive itself? Exactly. Safety is being a good driver, not a car that lets u not pay attention and rewards you for it by not letting u get into an accident or preventing you from mowing down a pack of school children crossing the street as ur texting ur bff. If you need that sh*t you should take the bus or a bycicle.
@@michael-dm2bv Cue the soap-boxing purist... Boxing people into whatever extreme to disguise personal preference as some sort of factoid is a bit schoolyard silly. Grow up. You've a long way to go before you're savvy enough to "win" the internet award for puerile rants. Comparing two vehicles with entire different design purpose is just pointless. Cars as a whole by dint of being machines will never be "perfected" until people run out of ideas and stop inventing. Hasn't happened in human history yet, likely never will. Cars of all kinds will continue to change as people innovate until something comes along to make them obsolete. Racing rules stunt the pace of progress but do not in fact stop it.
@@machinech183 - someone is mad. u must like ur barely relevant self driving musk ev or ur volvos blind spot warning flashers. i have already won the award for rants. Keeping the sole of ur foot on satans head ain't easy, and i can easily surmise that you would not know.
@@machinech183 - u seem to have run out of ideas. Does that imply that martians have been perfected? You no longer need to improve? have you ever watched "they live"? how about jacob's ladder? Lets talk! Don't be mad. Hell is going to enjoy ur soul! If that's not good news i don't know what is.
I think that as long as safety isn't impacted, teams should be basically free to develop whatever especially once the budget-cap is in place. Let teams come up with innovative solutions and ideas once more!
Here is the simplest explanation for the f duct .. grab a straw , put a hole in it halfway up, blow in one end and feel how much air is coming out the end. Now cover the hole in the middle and do the same and feel the result. You have just made your own f duct and a fluid switch. The hard part is balancing the sizes of intakes and outlets so your not stalling the wing without blocking the hole or on the other, blocking the whole and not stalling the wing.
I really don't get that. I would understand the ban, if it has potential harm and danger, but otherwise... How can they innovative, if the teams are required to follow specific set of rules which don't account any kind of technical freedom. And if someone legally "bends" the rules, other teams like sore losers right away try to ban it, because their engineers didn't thought of it. Like what is this? Why is everything so imprecise and cryptic?
Would have really appreciated a much more elementary explanation of what's happening with the f duct instead of just throwing out words like "pipery" and "fluidic switch" with no explanation and a few drawings with nice green arrows.
Think of the system as a whole as the switch. By putting his hand on the hole in the cockpit the driver activates pressure differences and changes how or where the air ( fluid ) is diverted , hence a switch.
You know when you stick your hand over the end of the hose on a vacuum cleaner and the motor spins faster? You can use that kinda thing to switch which pipe the air flows through. And if you throw some air at a wing in the right way, it messes the whole thing up and stops moving air, less downforce = less drag.
Air goes whoosh whoosh. When driver want air to go whoosh over the airplain wing, driver block air window to make whoosh go over airplan wing. FFS it's a fucking duct, dude. What's to understand?
My favorite F-1 car of all time, and now a banned platform, was the Tyrell P-34. I believe that with proper support from s tire manufacturer the P-34 could have had multiple handling advantages as well as an aero advantage.
Mclaren: We introduce F-duct on our new cars Mercedes: Our cars are now fitted with new DAS technology Ferrari International Assistance: Wait, that's illegal.
I don't think anything should be banned, unless it is unsafe. Part of motorsport is the difference between vehicles. If people think that all cars should follow the same rules, then just get one manufacturer to make all cars, then we can see how good the drivers really are.
The one handed driving to activate it is insane. it would have been better to have a foot switch like old school high beams...and the fact that no one thought of that kind of boggles my mind.
Ingenious stuff. Sad it was banned. Innovation got me into F1.. I'll still watch but that aspect that inspired me seems to be being brushed away into history.
@@Amauvy There are hundreds, it's just that most are not prominent enough visually or performance wise to get a name and attention of the public eye. There's also the snowplough, s duct, and those rear wing cutouts to bleed air.
one small critique.. Next time you mention multiple races in rapid succession from years past, could you maybe add "Fourth Round at X, or Round 10 at Y" for those of us that don't remember the order of every single race in seasons past?
Lotus also tried a solution like this, a fluid switch that stalled the rear wing at a certain speed and unstalled it below a set speed (in 2013 british gp I think) but it was never raced
FIA: Formula 1 is meant to be the ultimate expression in technology that makes the car faster in straights and corners and lighter. Also FIA: aaa speed scawy
Great video, i remember the f-duct. It was an interesting bit of engineering at the time. The FIA had no choice but to ban this idea and regulate it through the use of DRS. The sport changed drastically with these innovations, and added to the excitement of the F1 experiance for viewers.
The FIA banned it on the grounds of safety, soon they saw the teams using one hand to drive and the other to cover the F-duct hole, it took 2.5 seconds for the FIA to ban it (and laugh maniacally because they could finally ban it muahahahaha).
Alonso was shown in replays using his left hand to block the DRS duct. Since he had to use his right hand to adjust the break bias that left no hands on the steering wheel. The FIA realized that this was making the device too dangerous. If all the teams had used a duct activated by the left leg it would have been safer, but it wasn't practical to cram it into an existing car. The point was proven though, stalling the rear wing helped the cars pass. So rather than make the F-duct, all all the associated complex pipe work, legal it made more sense to introduce DRS instead because it was just a flap in the rear wing that did the same thing but with a greater effect and significant less development cost. Plus significantly safer. Ross Brawn later commented that the DRS flap was worth 10x times more in helping cars pass than all the aero changes they introduced in 2009 combined. He admitted that none of the brilliant aero guys involved in the 2009 changes thought of just putting a flap in the rear wing, if they had they would have saved everyone a lot of trouble.
I’ll never forget watching the Italian GP that year and seeing Jenson Button’s massive rear wing, completely out of context with the fastest GP circuit on the calendar!
My favourite is the Brabham BT46B, Aka the Fan Car. A brilliant or cynical, depending on your opinion, exploitation of loopholes in the wording of the regulations
It's public safety that is the problem. If a car going at 200mph goes off the track it's weight and volocity turn it into a large bullet causingall sorts of damage when it hits. Look at the crowd stands in Abu Dhabi, imagine an F1 at 200mph going over the fences into the crowd. Think of the law suits! F1 has to be safe for the audience as well as the drivers, so anything that makes the cars good faster and thus more dangerous has to be banned. Compromise. Make the cars go faster, put the crowd further back - 200m. All the crowd would see is coloured dots whizz past.
People dont understand that when the FIA bans something is in order to improve racing. If the feature is very expensive to develop, creates considerable amounts of dirty air, and/or could be dangerous then it should be banned.
Functionally yes, but the DRS is much better at it. Significantly cheaper, and arguably safer. The problem that led to the F-duct is F1 has a blanket rule than bans 'moveable aerodynamic devices' ie flaps in the wing. However at the time the driver was not considered as part of this rule, which is why a fluidic switch covered by the drivers leg/hand was legal. The F-duct is actually the reason they introduced DRS in the first place.
Great video, thank you. I remember it being a thing at the time but never really understood how it worked. As for my favorite band F1 car, it has to be the Brabham BT46. Gordon Murray's fan car.
this is what I love about F1, the constant pushing of the rules/workarounds to gain an advantage. The things they come up with are amazing, like these ducts, Renaults damper in 2006, Ferrari's 2019 engine, yes they get banned but that just allows a new trick to be created next.
That would be the thing that Adrian Newey designed for the Gran Turismo game- closed cockpit, active-everything, fan car. Does a bazillion kph and doesn't just drive o the ceiling; but chews the ceiling up and spits it out the rear, whilst opening spacetime rifts simultaneously...!!
Interesting video! Could you guys provide a reference on the more technical side of the F-duct? Maybe with a little more technical detail? I’m curious to know what you mean by stalling decreasing drag
I always thought it was a beautiful solution, using airflow in an innovative way like that. But the need to take your hand off the wheel in the Ferrari design was never a good idea.
Using the driver to manipulate a static fluid switch stems from a ban on movable aerodynamic surfaces (which would include air valves used for aerodynamic purposes). DRS is the same thing, but using a moving aerodynamic surface.
I want to see an F1 car with ground effect, four wheel drive, a massive engine that's super charged and turbo charged, with KERS and a F Duct. I think we'd beat a few lap records
Innovation is being creative in the way you interpret the rules. Just because the a rule says "the cars can only be black" doesn´t mean the teams can´t paint it in matte black to improve weight and by doing so, they are not doing anything illegal, just applying the rules in a different way.
There is this really really neat aircraft museum in Dayton Ohio, USA, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. The way they have the museum setup, you start off at the very beginning of flight and work your way to the current area. You notice small changes in airframe design. For example moving flight control cables from the outside into a protected tube, or putting aerodynamic covers over wheels, or a plate over the spokes of a rim. It seems obvious looking back, but every advancement in design makes aviation that much safer and more efficient. The point is, unless new ideas and technologies are tested, advancement is impossible.
It honestly pisses me off how much shit in racing gets banned, it seems no matter what category they just ban fucking everything that would make it more exciting and or more competitive
The first F-1 race I attended (I was eight years old) was in 1960 at Riverside Raceway in California (Stirling Moss won if anyone is interested). The cars had shifted to rear engine layout which at the time was the height of technical achievement. Oh how things have changed! Computers win races now, not the driver’s!
There is no traction control, abs, or active suspension there hasn't been for over a decade unless you mean the computers that control the fuel injection?
Jack Danny I suppose my comment is more of a melancholy lament. In the late sixties and seventies it seemed like there were a greater percentage of teams that could be competitive without needing the financial resources of a Boeing or Microsoft (a decent example was Rob Walkers efforts). One arena is engines. Although some companies always used their own power plants many others did quite well running the Cosworth DFV (this also helped level the playing field a bit). A company didn’t need access to wind tunnels and prohibitively expensive “main frame” computers to win races. Maybe I am being naive but I feel like there was a time when the driver made the difference (as in Stirling Moss-awesome driver largely competing in sub par British vehicles, but still winning races). Now it seems to me that you can take a good (not necessarily great) driver, put him in a dominant vehicle and the race is decided before it starts. The dominant vehicles now (and in fairness this isn’t a recent phenomena) are produced by companies with virtually unlimited developmental resources (super sophisticated computer designs), basically things that some companies don’t have and ultimately are forced to leave F1 because of this. So, my observation about “computers winning races” was more of a generic comment. I could be way off base here but to illustrate my point, I would suggest you could put several different drivers in the current Mercedes and they would win races in that car. However I doubt if the opposite is true. Could a Hamilton or Schumacher win a lot of races in mediocre vehicles today? I think not. And in my opinion “computers” play a huge part in this. Maybe all this is inevitable, but at least for me it seems like a big part of the drivers contribution has been reduced significantly. Just sayin’........
McLaren F1 engineer: let’s make this thing go faster by manipulating aerodynamic drag. Cletus MacFarlane: I need to turn this thing into a ripper! James, get the toolbox!
DRS literally does the same thing, and is definitely safer, and cheaper. Drivers literally had to take their hands off the wheel down the straight. With DRS, they push a button. The F-Duct is now completely useless
I'm imagining the fun and games that would have ensued, if someone had combined the Lotus double chassis car with the Brabham fan car, and slipped the resulting combination under the radar enough to deploy it in anger in an actual race. That would have lit the fireworks ...
Personally I actually agree with this ban. Using a body part to physically cover an air duct is distracting at best and reduces control authority as well. The fact that DRS essentially serves the same purpose while being formally regulated supports the notion that FIA indeed banned the F-duct out of safety concerns. I think we can all agree that pushing a button clearly has higher safety margins than covering an air vent.
I seriously hope that the FIA and F1 will move towards making sure the teams don't cross the cost caps while leaving them as much wiggle room as possible as far as technical regs are concerned. I would truly love to see how the engineers tackle such a scenario and all the possible solutions
There should be a committee which should be chaired 1/3 rd by vetted team representatives, 1/3 rd by vetted car mechanics and engineers, 1/3 rd by FIA stewards. This committee will review the appeals of FIA to ban innovations of teams. This will be a fair and swift tool for F1, also will remove the dogmatic monopoly of FIA politics in the sport which will empower team’s innovations and give them more sense if control.
F1 Team: *creates something innovative and cutting-edge*
FIA: B A N N E D
Other team got jealous on it so they ask FIA to ban it
aye, i think anything an F1 team create should be allowed and kept no matter what, these people are the smartest mechanics the world will know. banning their innovations is just stupid. F1 needs cars with hidden secrets to keep it more .... unbalanced.
@@preacherz01 I agree, but that's only in the case that the inclusion of the innovation doesn't result in "extended periods of one handed driving", or otherwise doesn't give them a very significant edge.
The fault of people that implemented it in an unsafe manor, IE use of a hand to activate and loss of some steering control.
And that's why i think it is getting more and more boring.
Lol I've heard of the F Duct so many times I didn't realise it stood for the F in Vodafone!
Lol same
I've always hated the spelling of Vodafone so I think I'll start calling it the "ph" duct from now on.
yeah, I've always thought that it's called like that because of the shape of the piping system
I thought it stood for "flow duct"
It doesn't stand for the F in Vodafone
McLaren: "Ok.We need to make sure no one sees that our drivers are using the F-duct"
Basically every other team: "LMAO, let's just one hand so everybody sees it."
Well it worked - they covered the F-Duct with one hand so nobody sees that the car has an F-Duct. Complex problems require simple solutions.
The reason other teams had to use their hands were due to the drivers survival cell being homologated at the start of the season. Mclaren had designed their safety cell with a hole for the leg to activate it, other teams were not able to punch a hole in it for their leg to activate it, hence using their hands instead.
I think it was more like "Lets use our hands so the FIA bans it three seconds after it finds out we are steering with one hand ROTFLMAOTROLOLOL"
@@armands3153 nah that aint right. come do plumbing and piping work in a derelict house without adequate lighting and comfortable spacing to do ya job.
trying to get a pipe cutter onto a gullied oxidised pipe thats 3 ft below the ground floor of a house.
metalhead and a car guy wtf are we twin or something
Imagine how cool F1 would be if the FIA didn't ban everything that made cars faster.
More deaths
Like formula B rally?
Imagine the deaths
@@uuuultra death is good, something you can learn from
Or more deadly lol.
I just love how Alonso casually drives with one hand during the straights.
That was crazy 🤯
You wouldn’t think driving in a straight line would be hard, yet most car accidents happen on motorways 🤦♂️
@@Sparrowash97 Absolutely.
Nothing on senna driving one handed around Monaco
Alonso drove with 1 hand in corners! I remember seeing it on TV.
That’s dangerous using your knee to activate it
Ferrari: hold my beer
hold my *steering wheel
@@jazznazz8152 you have a steering wheel?
by using the back of the hand there's no need to drive with one hand
Hold my hand
Lecrec Hold my seatbelts
Austosport title: Asks question.
Autosport video: Doesn’t answer question.
Nice.
It’s because the FIA is afraid of being more technologically advanced
@@trentwerner366 No, it was for safety, cause of the 1 handed driving
@@irish_mcrae1892 its because they competitors are too lazy to think of ways to make a f duck that doesnt involve the use of one hand and its people like that who got it bannedf
@@irish_mcrae1892 No, because systems that were activated by the driver's knee were also banned.
It was banned for safety also anything activated by using your knee or make u take your hand off the wheel is also banned
The FIA should just put some rails on the track. That’s the “safest” option.
Don’t forget to give Ferrari a separate set on the inside line so they don’t whine
They should take all the wheels off the cars and just imagine who would win off of which car looks cooler
@Izan TM so, turn F1 into an e-sport
@@MasrSR mercedes looks the coolest imo
F1: We want teams to innovate.
McLaren: How about this fancy F-duct I created?
F1: No!
Teams: 😢
It lasted several years and took several different forms
😂
I get the feeling that RUclips channels don't actually understand what "why" means. This is a good overview of the various implementations, but it doesn't at all answer the question of *why* it was banned.
I get the feeling you are an idiot. He clearly says, the teams copy and/or campaign for solutions to be banned, stated multiple times.
Coder Stone that’s not a reason for why they lobby that innovations be banned. You could say “unfair advantage” but that’s not entirely true given the technology is in its infancy.
Maybe the one handed driving was deemed to dangerous
Agreed, this is a 3 minute video
It got banned because teams were implementing the technology poorly and in unsafe ways, particularly by driving with one hand to activate the F duct.
The Blown Defuser was awesome. The best F1 Sound for me dircet after the V10s
V10s have that awesome harmonic sound.
The F-duct was one of the most brilliant bits of engineering in F1 history, I really hope the people that came up with it got raises.
My favorite banned technology in F1: CVT.
Why was it banned though?
Maxim idk ask Williams
@Ethan Yost lol how did that work out? as cylinders went away, it sounds like that anyway
@Ethan Yost if they did not ban CVTs in F1, i am willing to bet we'd have better CVTs today.
F1s sound like high pitched weed eaters anyway.
@@dimitriyakovic1522 - Have you ever listened to a snowmobile competition? Well, that's CVT racing, there's only FORWARDS and BACKWARDS. The 4 most famous vehicles with CVT are electric cars (and some hybrids like the Prius), Polaris UTVs, direct-drive karts and mopeds.
FIA really seems to have missed the ENTIRE point of F1: To promote innovation of cutting edge technology to makes cars get to the finish line as quickly as possible.
I blame their stunting of innovation through motorsports for the advent of the absolute crap that mainstream manufacturers are now producing.
mainstream residential cars have been perfected over 10 years ago. People like bells and whistles and stuff that means they can become sh*ttier drivers. Does any racing vehicle have blind spot indicators, pedestrian collision technology or an ability to attempt to drive itself? Exactly. Safety is being a good driver, not a car that lets u not pay attention and rewards you for it by not letting u get into an accident or preventing you from mowing down a pack of school children crossing the street as ur texting ur bff. If you need that sh*t you should take the bus or a bycicle.
@@michael-dm2bv Cue the soap-boxing purist... Boxing people into whatever extreme to disguise personal preference as some sort of factoid is a bit schoolyard silly. Grow up. You've a long way to go before you're savvy enough to "win" the internet award for puerile rants. Comparing two vehicles with entire different design purpose is just pointless. Cars as a whole by dint of being machines will never be "perfected" until people run out of ideas and stop inventing. Hasn't happened in human history yet, likely never will. Cars of all kinds will continue to change as people innovate until something comes along to make them obsolete. Racing rules stunt the pace of progress but do not in fact stop it.
@@machinech183 - someone is mad. u must like ur barely relevant self driving musk ev or ur volvos blind spot warning flashers. i have already won the award for rants. Keeping the sole of ur foot on satans head ain't easy, and i can easily surmise that you would not know.
@@machinech183 - u seem to have run out of ideas. Does that imply that martians have been perfected? You no longer need to improve? have you ever watched "they live"? how about jacob's ladder? Lets talk! Don't be mad. Hell is going to enjoy ur soul! If that's not good news i don't know what is.
I think that as long as safety isn't impacted, teams should be basically free to develop whatever especially once the budget-cap is in place. Let teams come up with innovative solutions and ideas once more!
Here is the simplest explanation for the f duct .. grab a straw , put a hole in it halfway up, blow in one end and feel how much air is coming out the end. Now cover the hole in the middle and do the same and feel the result. You have just made your own f duct and a fluid switch. The hard part is balancing the sizes of intakes and outlets so your not stalling the wing without blocking the hole or on the other, blocking the whole and not stalling the wing.
Team: introduces innovation.
FIA: BAN IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
I really don't get that. I would understand the ban, if it has potential harm and danger, but otherwise...
How can they innovative, if the teams are required to follow specific set of rules which don't account any kind of technical freedom. And if someone legally "bends" the rules, other teams like sore losers right away try to ban it, because their engineers didn't thought of it. Like what is this? Why is everything so imprecise and cryptic?
@@racetracknerd9484 We shall see.
That's why F1 is basically parade laps determined by the size of your wallet
Well f-duct wasn't banned, is just by the time DRS was introduced, the f-duct became pointless
@@armands3153 Potential harm and danger... Like drivers going flat out with one hand on the wheel?
FIA: "hahaha, you can't go faster what are you thinking"
Would have really appreciated a much more elementary explanation of what's happening with the f duct instead of just throwing out words like "pipery" and "fluidic switch" with no explanation and a few drawings with nice green arrows.
Think of the system as a whole as the switch. By putting his hand on the hole in the cockpit the driver activates pressure differences and changes how or where the air ( fluid ) is diverted , hence a switch.
its digestible recycled youtube content. There are some great explanations of it out there.
You know when you stick your hand over the end of the hose on a vacuum cleaner and the motor spins faster? You can use that kinda thing to switch which pipe the air flows through. And if you throw some air at a wing in the right way, it messes the whole thing up and stops moving air, less downforce = less drag.
Air goes whoosh whoosh. When driver want air to go whoosh over the airplain wing, driver block air window to make whoosh go over airplan wing.
FFS it's a fucking duct, dude. What's to understand?
my favorite ban: X wings
I mean it’s always gonna be unfair, racing against spaceships...
Salt especially weaponized ones
You're in luck 😉 ruclips.net/video/h6_UUXTVjK0/видео.html
@@AutosportOfficial you already did a video. great!
Autosport lmao top lad
The alleged pinnacle of motorsport stifling innovation as usual.
Sad but true
My favorite F-1 car of all time, and now a banned platform, was the Tyrell P-34. I believe that with proper support from s tire manufacturer the P-34 could have had multiple handling advantages as well as an aero advantage.
Teams usually 'seek clarification' aka, snitching to the FIA.
Mclaren: We introduce F-duct on our new cars
Mercedes: Our cars are now fitted with new DAS technology
Ferrari International Assistance: Wait, that's illegal.
Pikachu *Wait, DAS illegal.
Also Ferrari International Assistance: Hey guys! Why the hell is everything so expensive?
(Answer: FIA keeps removing all the "cheap" options)
I don't think anything should be banned, unless it is unsafe. Part of motorsport is the difference between vehicles.
If people think that all cars should follow the same rules, then just get one manufacturer to make all cars, then we can see how good the drivers really are.
Tbh I love the how teams get around the rules it’s good to watch
And here I am trying to figure out how to get more air in to my PC.
The one handed driving to activate it is insane. it would have been better to have a foot switch like old school high beams...and the fact that no one thought of that kind of boggles my mind.
Ferrari had a DRS similar System in 1997. Their plan was to use it at the GP of Jerez but the FIA banned it before the were able to race it.
Ingenious stuff. Sad it was banned. Innovation got me into F1.. I'll still watch but that aspect that inspired me seems to be being brushed away into history.
DAS / F duct / W duct, and thats the only one i have in mind atm, but its still full of innovation dw.
@@Amauvy There are hundreds, it's just that most are not prominent enough visually or performance wise to get a name and attention of the public eye. There's also the snowplough, s duct, and those rear wing cutouts to bleed air.
there's still innovation but it's less visually obvious now which, imo, makes it even more brilliant
one small critique.. Next time you mention multiple races in rapid succession from years past, could you maybe add "Fourth Round at X, or Round 10 at Y" for those of us that don't remember the order of every single race in seasons past?
The f duct blew my mind for years and still does. The blown diffuser is another one that I love
Lotus also tried a solution like this, a fluid switch that stalled the rear wing at a certain speed and unstalled it below a set speed (in 2013 british gp I think) but it was never raced
FIA: Formula 1 is meant to be the ultimate expression in technology that makes the car faster in straights and corners and lighter.
Also FIA: aaa speed scawy
Interesting designs! You never really think of air being taken from the rear and routed to the front! One of many reasons I'm not an F1 engineer.
I think with the 2022 changes it might be beneficial for teams to redevelop the w-duct to channel more air into the venturi tunnels under the car
Great video, i remember the f-duct. It was an interesting bit of engineering at the time. The FIA had no choice but to ban this idea and regulate it through the use of DRS. The sport changed drastically with these innovations, and added to the excitement of the F1 experiance for viewers.
You don't ever really explain "why" specifically it was banned...?
not banned so much as made redundant. DRS made it pointless
also some teams made it so the driver would have to take their hand off the wheel which was dangerous
The FIA banned it on the grounds of safety, soon they saw the teams using one hand to drive and the other to cover the F-duct hole, it took 2.5 seconds for the FIA to ban it (and laugh maniacally because they could finally ban it muahahahaha).
Alonso was shown in replays using his left hand to block the DRS duct. Since he had to use his right hand to adjust the break bias that left no hands on the steering wheel. The FIA realized that this was making the device too dangerous.
If all the teams had used a duct activated by the left leg it would have been safer, but it wasn't practical to cram it into an existing car.
The point was proven though, stalling the rear wing helped the cars pass. So rather than make the F-duct, all all the associated complex pipe work, legal it made more sense to introduce DRS instead because it was just a flap in the rear wing that did the same thing but with a greater effect and significant less development cost. Plus significantly safer.
Ross Brawn later commented that the DRS flap was worth 10x times more in helping cars pass than all the aero changes they introduced in 2009 combined. He admitted that none of the brilliant aero guys involved in the 2009 changes thought of just putting a flap in the rear wing, if they had they would have saved everyone a lot of trouble.
@@darkalman I know all this, I'm just pointing out to the Autosport channel that their title is misleading.
I’ll never forget watching the Italian GP that year and seeing Jenson Button’s massive rear wing, completely out of context with the fastest GP circuit on the calendar!
My favourite is the Brabham BT46B, Aka the Fan Car. A brilliant or cynical, depending on your opinion, exploitation of loopholes in the wording of the regulations
Can we get videos on double diffusers and blown diffuses. Unless it’s already been done.
Am I the only one who loves these illustrations?
Never ban innovation!
I think there should be an unlimited class some day. I know of one car that was built like this but it's only used for setting records.
It's public safety that is the problem. If a car going at 200mph goes off the track it's weight and volocity turn it into a large bullet causingall sorts of damage when it hits. Look at the crowd stands in Abu Dhabi, imagine an F1 at 200mph going over the fences into the crowd. Think of the law suits! F1 has to be safe for the audience as well as the drivers, so anything that makes the cars good faster and thus more dangerous has to be banned. Compromise. Make the cars go faster, put the crowd further back - 200m. All the crowd would see is coloured dots whizz past.
Very informative video! Thanks
People dont understand that when the FIA bans something is in order to improve racing. If the feature is very expensive to develop, creates considerable amounts of dirty air, and/or could be dangerous then it should be banned.
Doesn’t DRS do the same thing as the F-Duct?
Functionally yes, but the DRS is much better at it. Significantly cheaper, and arguably safer.
The problem that led to the F-duct is F1 has a blanket rule than bans 'moveable aerodynamic devices' ie flaps in the wing.
However at the time the driver was not considered as part of this rule, which is why a fluidic switch covered by the drivers leg/hand was legal.
The F-duct is actually the reason they introduced DRS in the first place.
FIA banned it because they were afraid teams would use the forced induction of air through the duct for “other purposes”.
Great video, thank you. I remember it being a thing at the time but never really understood how it worked. As for my favorite band F1 car, it has to be the Brabham BT46. Gordon Murray's fan car.
didn't the teams agree to ban it themselves not the FIA
this is what I love about F1, the constant pushing of the rules/workarounds to gain an advantage. The things they come up with are amazing, like these ducts, Renaults damper in 2006, Ferrari's 2019 engine, yes they get banned but that just allows a new trick to be created next.
So basically drs without all the rules surrounding the use of drs
9 minute video and 7 midroll ads... WTF?
Wonder how a f1 car with every single banned feature installed would do, compared to the current cars
That would be the thing that Adrian Newey designed for the Gran Turismo game- closed cockpit, active-everything, fan car. Does a bazillion kph and doesn't just drive o the ceiling; but chews the ceiling up and spits it out the rear, whilst opening spacetime rifts simultaneously...!!
Interesting video! Could you guys provide a reference on the more technical side of the F-duct? Maybe with a little more technical detail? I’m curious to know what you mean by stalling decreasing drag
I always thought it was a beautiful solution, using airflow in an innovative way like that. But the need to take your hand off the wheel in the Ferrari design was never a good idea.
Back then in Ferrari not much was a good idea.
@@The_Curious_Cat arguably still a relevant statement for their current situation
Using the driver to manipulate a static fluid switch stems from a ban on movable aerodynamic surfaces (which would include air valves used for aerodynamic purposes). DRS is the same thing, but using a moving aerodynamic surface.
I want to see an F1 car with ground effect, four wheel drive, a massive engine that's super charged and turbo charged, with KERS and a F Duct. I think we'd beat a few lap records
well, the 2022 cars have ground effect so we’re getting there
F1 team: innovates something huge which should be celebrated Other teams: BAN IT NOW
But before "WE ARE GOING O COPY IT! AND USING OUR HANDS! ROLFMAO!" then it doesn´t work as good as the original: "BAN IT NOW!".
One time, Alonso drove with one hand on the steering wheel and the other on that duct lol. The interview afterwards made me "XD"
One hand on the F-duct and the other on twitter, while steering with his knee.
@@The_Curious_Cat Lol XD
I'm pretty sure I've read that introductory speech on Adrian Newey's book
I think it's silly to ban aero control schemes. They make the cars faster and races more exciting.
FIA: Play by the rules.
Mercedes: How about no.
There is a fine line between bending rules and "innovation".
Innovation is being creative in the way you interpret the rules. Just because the a rule says "the cars can only be black" doesn´t mean the teams can´t paint it in matte black to improve weight and by doing so, they are not doing anything illegal, just applying the rules in a different way.
Dont hate the playa', hate the game
3 must-watch ads in a 9 min clip? first and last vid I watch from this channel. YT is becoming a joke.
There is this really really neat aircraft museum in Dayton Ohio, USA, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. The way they have the museum setup, you start off at the very beginning of flight and work your way to the current area. You notice small changes in airframe design. For example moving flight control cables from the outside into a protected tube, or putting aerodynamic covers over wheels, or a plate over the spokes of a rim. It seems obvious looking back, but every advancement in design makes aviation that much safer and more efficient. The point is, unless new ideas and technologies are tested, advancement is impossible.
3:41 Y0, i heard you like wings
The f word pun in thumbnail 😂😂
We saw how Kubica back then was driving with one hand.
It honestly pisses me off how much shit in racing gets banned, it seems no matter what category they just ban fucking everything that would make it more exciting and or more competitive
Bring it back it looks pretty handy
I love the sound of the old v12 motors back in the day.
I would like to know about the secret deal between Ferrari and the FIA regarding their "2019 close to illegal engine".
Imagine a f1 with no rules on builds (except raming of course)
Just speed...
haven't watched the video yet, but i guess it is for safety reasons due to the need of manual activation from the driver's hand.
Press F to pay respects.
The first F-1 race I attended (I was eight years old) was in 1960 at Riverside Raceway in California (Stirling Moss won if anyone is interested). The cars had shifted to rear engine layout which at the time was the height of technical achievement. Oh how things have changed! Computers win races now, not the driver’s!
There is no traction control, abs, or active suspension there hasn't been for over a decade unless you mean the computers that control the fuel injection?
Jack Danny
I suppose my comment is more of a melancholy lament. In the late sixties and seventies it seemed like there were a greater percentage of teams that could be competitive without needing the financial resources of a Boeing or Microsoft (a decent example was Rob Walkers efforts). One arena is engines. Although some companies always used their own power plants many others did quite well running the Cosworth DFV (this also helped level the playing field a bit). A company didn’t need access to wind tunnels and prohibitively expensive “main frame” computers to win races. Maybe I am being naive but I feel like there was a time when the driver made the difference (as in Stirling Moss-awesome driver largely competing in sub par British vehicles, but still winning races). Now it seems to me that you can take a good (not necessarily great) driver, put him in a dominant vehicle and the race is decided before it starts. The dominant vehicles now (and in fairness this isn’t a recent phenomena) are produced by companies with virtually unlimited developmental resources (super sophisticated computer designs), basically things that some companies don’t have and ultimately are forced to leave F1 because of this. So, my observation about “computers winning races” was more of a generic comment. I could be way off base here but to illustrate my point, I would suggest you could put several different drivers in the current Mercedes and they would win races in that car. However I doubt if the opposite is true. Could a Hamilton or Schumacher win a lot of races in mediocre vehicles today? I think not. And in my opinion “computers” play a huge part in this.
Maybe all this is inevitable, but at least for me it seems like a big part of the drivers contribution has been reduced significantly. Just sayin’........
How I read the title: Why Duct Tape was banned from F1.
Lol but they use tape to seal the components
Tuned Mass Damper from Renault or the Brake Steer from McLaren or Michelin’s Tread Width.
TMD solution is a very clever solution
McLaren F1 engineer: let’s make this thing go faster by manipulating aerodynamic drag. Cletus MacFarlane: I need to turn this thing into a ripper! James, get the toolbox!
L0L
Savage Sock it is pretty funny isn’t it! I didn’t think anybody would get the reference!
F1 cars have like 1,000 bhp and way more down force than its own weight.. god forbid they have a 3 inch duct
DRS literally does the same thing, and is definitely safer, and cheaper. Drivers literally had to take their hands off the wheel down the straight. With DRS, they push a button. The F-Duct is now completely useless
I'm imagining the fun and games that would have ensued, if someone had combined the Lotus double chassis car with the Brabham fan car, and slipped the resulting combination under the radar enough to deploy it in anger in an actual race. That would have lit the fireworks ...
Personally I actually agree with this ban. Using a body part to physically cover an air duct is distracting at best and reduces control authority as well.
The fact that DRS essentially serves the same purpose while being formally regulated supports the notion that FIA indeed banned the F-duct out of safety concerns. I think we can all agree that pushing a button clearly has higher safety margins than covering an air vent.
Do I know what an F duct is? No.
Did I know it was banned in F1? No.
Do I even care? No.
Did I click on the video anyway? Yeah. Yeah I did 😂
Bring back the six wheeler please
great video
They should create an f1 group B so we can see just how fast it can get
I think we should have an open class of racing that lets the team do anything to go faster.
There needs to be rules for safety
@@PeRRXX NO.
I seriously hope that the FIA and F1 will move towards making sure the teams don't cross the cost caps while leaving them as much wiggle room as possible as far as technical regs are concerned. I would truly love to see how the engineers tackle such a scenario and all the possible solutions
They done F-Duct up!!!
F1 team: comes with new innovative and creative tech.
FIA: WE DON'T DO THAT HERE
Lotus 88 double chassis groud effect
Every time a team innovates fia banns
Other teams can't copy: BAN IT!
FIA: Okay
There should be a committee which should be chaired 1/3 rd by vetted team representatives, 1/3 rd by vetted car mechanics and engineers, 1/3 rd by FIA stewards. This committee will review the appeals of FIA to ban innovations of teams. This will be a fair and swift tool for F1, also will remove the dogmatic monopoly of FIA politics in the sport which will empower team’s innovations and give them more sense if control.
Active Suspension on Williams
is it called the f duct because it was on the f of the vodafone logo?
Yup
@@TrashPandaSupra yay im correct
So does the focus on double DRS explain why Mercedes' development stalled in 2012?
My favourite banned thing is the Brabham BT46. The only F1 car to have a 100% win record, it won every race it entered.
When was the last time Ferrari came up with any decent F1 innovation? There's the semi auto gearbox and the awful F92A twin floor but not much else.
Love innovation
> bans f duct
> authorizes drs
>>> what the heck