You only gotta get lucky once. Doesn't matter if you've done 1200 solves or 12. Your next epic might only be one solve away. It's a grind, I'm at 800 solves, still trying to get Zin'rokh, but at least it's afk as hell and I can do something on a 2nd monitor while doing arch
@@daisyou812 Weak auras or scripts. Try to google - Archeology Solves Counter for weakaura. But all methods have one annoying bug - after solve you need /reload to correct counts.
Its gonna be replaced by HC item which is also a RNG drop, which also have a high competition. On top of that HC isn't joke, ppl are 100% better than in OG Cata but still, it might take quite some time until zin'rokh or staff is gonna be replaced
I'm in the same boat as you. I'm at almost 1,200 total solves. Around 500 Troll and 270 Dwarf. I've got the shield, and that's it. I don't even want the shield.
@@SolheimGaming There's a weak aura called Pain and obviously is tracking archaeology progression. It's funny when you compare the whole guild in the chat with !pain which displays the total solves of all players utilizing it. At least someone begins to feel sorry for you after that. :D
Damn I got my Zin in about 210 troll solves and I thought I was extremely unlucky. Hope you get it soon. I even got the shield and staff around 50 solves each and I wasn’t even farming them.
It has nothing to do with 80. Its about getting 450 skill. You dont get lvl85 epics unless you have 450 skill. So if you want you can lvl with the other race solves and not solve troll at all till you get to 450 for higher chance of epics
The probability of at least one success in 300 tries is approximately 77.69% in a single race for example Troll, yet there are people out there with up to 1000 tries who still haven't succeeded and feel like they've gotten the middle finger instead
I'm sure this has already been realised by now, but you CAN get the Pterrordax Hatchling now. I just got it at 450 Archae, with only 137 solves. So I have now completed Fossils.
Also archeology was not available on the OG prepatch... so they make this change without making some kind of progressive change to make it a little more palitable. 100% ruined the prepatch for countless people
A fail safe would be an excellent addition. Truth is even with 1000 solves, you’re no closer than you were after 10 solves. It just doesn’t feel good. However, my buddy got the staff and the trinket with 700ish solves. Stay positive!
I feel like, they are already speeding up this expansion with the fast phases so i no argument to not put a failsafe on these epics. Granted i have not spent as much as you, but i have been logging every day after work and been doing this non-stop and i have not seen a single one.
Have to agree with this. Still farming for epix. Got the low level mail head and cloth chest that will never be used because of heirlooms. Wouldn't mind some kind of actual progression. I think your token idea isn't good, but some kind of increase to chance of getting rare solves based on how much effort you put in would be good. Actually, without it, with archaeology being pure rng, the whole proffession isn't so much a proffession as an addiction. Lol.
I got zin'rokh in 13 solves, 30 troll total. I think that's pretty much as good as it gets about 4h total. And did most of it when I was in dungeon queue at 84, so I actually had a couple of million xp pr hour while doing so
I love that archaeology doesn't make you compete for a resource, you can be side by side with another player and you're both doing your own digging. no stress, no toxicity, just two people farming the same thing at the same time. nothing like trying to farm ore or herbs
Agree 110%! The entire system is fine except instead of turning fragments into rng solves you spend the fragments on the items you want. Like you I’ve been unlucky dual boxing dwarf dks solving tons but getting no results, rerolled a few times leveling a total of 5 characters.
I'm at 800 solves atm with no epic at all, but I genuinely dont want a failsafe. If you were guaranteed the sword after 500 solves if would become mandatory, now it's just luck so I don't feel the same "need" to dig.
I keep going back and forth with whether I want to continue this grind, probably around 300 total solves so not a lot my any means. Saying player progression is limited by RNG isn't really much of a point to make though as that applies to all the items you get from raiding etc. too
I know I'm late to the party but just want to add a few things. I started archeology about 4 days ago and today I just got my zin rohk. That's right I had maybe 100 or so troll solves. People giving advice saying to wait to solve troll till 450. My advice is since there is only like 3 rares get them out of the way while lvl arch. Once you hit 450 thatl leave with only one left the sword! Maybe I was extremely lucky but that's how I got the sword.
I don't remember it being this hard the first time around. Wonder if your odds go up as you level. That's what I'm banking on at this point. I'm just toping off at 200 of each and I'll try my luck again on Tuesday.
People burning out on the game is not good for shareholders... This is blizzard simply not wanting to put up the money to pay programmers to change anything.
It seems everyone in my guild is out doing archaeology. A couple of people have gotten the shield and one person has gotten the trinket. No one has gotten the sword / staff yet. I'm only at 203 solves, and don't see myself going past 300-350. At this point I'd be happy getting any epic, even if it's just the shield.
Im so happy to be a rogue for cataclysm so all i just want is the mounts so achived the raptor super fast so now im just chilling untill launch for archy to get instant 525 got 200 in all factions just w8ing :D
I just solved innkeepers daughter today, so it must no longer be bugged. I was solving it while I was also solving the fossil mount, and I didn't roll any troll rares while I had those other two rares active, so there might be a limit on the number of rares in progress that you can have.
Ive given up tbh not good for my sanity and my will to play the game, i dont want to be burned out before cata even launches so no, I may dig if im bored but not farming for hours anymore (0 epics here btw so not the slightless motivation left)
I was doing this grind too for the sword. Then I remembered blizzard added wow tokens and am just going to gdkp a raid weapon as a buyer. That's the end of archeology for me.
I got the Hatchling the other day so they definitely made a change before yesterday. I got that right after I got the fossilized pet. I was like wait both in a row? 😂
DO NOT USE THE CHAR BOOST IF YOU HAVE PROFESSIONS TRAINED TO ANY LEVEL!!!!!!!!!! GO CHECK THE WOW CLASSIC BUG FORUMS!!!!!!!!! IT BRICKS YOUR TOON and makes your profs bug to 0/0... you cant level them and you cant untrain them.... whats more is this have been going on for weeks in the forums and we have got ZERO response from blizz
I'm so glad I didn't have 4k honor or Justice points, or I woulda been doing this grind too. The fact you only had the shield at 90 hrs of digging was a red flag. Now 40 hours later and you're in the same boat.. I'd be going crazy.
I stopped at 400 troll solves. Haven’t been on in 3 days because like you said, hiding something this meaningful behind straight rng is trash. I’ve started playing a different game the last few days and idk if I’ll be back for cata haha
They should do a system kinda like the legion legendary fail safe where after not getting a rare after so many solves it will increase odds of getting epic
Yeah I'll just get a 2H from heroics and a 2H from raids later, not worth 150 hours of free time for something that won't last past phase 1 but that's just my little opinion
I got stupid lucky with the sword and shield... Less than 100 solves for each. But I have no characters that I want either of those for, lol. No sign of the staff yet, but only about 220 solves in dwarf, so compared to you and many others, can't really complain that much.
Absolutely need a fail safe ... Feels so bad this ... would have loved to do sooo much leveling new alts and stuff, but being serious about our raiding i kinda feel i need to keep farming farming...
Argument of 'Locking player progression behind RNG' doesn't really makes sense when talking about WoW. Gear has always been locked behind RNG. You get gear from Raids and you could get Thunderfury in one raids but someone else will never see one binding...
Yes, but once you do a raid you are locked out for the week. Meaning there isn't the incentive to play for an excessive and unhealthy amount of hours. Obviously there is a massive difference. . .
You shouldnt get your bis/pre bis items with a shovel before even expantion is out. End of discussion. Hence they shouldnt improve this to get it easier it should be removed
There should be a fail safe along with RNG. This design only makes me want to get in a pitch black room with a male blizz game designer. Make it 4 to even the odds. He would change his perspective in a beat ;)
If they'd want this rng system to be a legitimate feature to encourage playing the game, all they'd end up with is a ton of burnt out and discouraged majority of players
Complaining about player power level locked behind rng is not a relevant point imo as its nothing new (TF in vanilla, warglaives in TBC etc. ) Some people feel obligated to obtain those and if your guild / ambitions demand it - welcome to rng hell. Making a token system is a workaround that may seem "fair" to you but imagine this - that would force even more people to invest countless hours into archeology via their guild requirements. Arch is a secondary prof that is literally designed to be a timesink. If you force yourself into it - so be it, your call. But dont give blizzard ideas how to make it pretty much mandatory. thanks!
i have the shield, and even when i keep fossil maxxed, i have solve them because at some points thats all i have on both continents, yes 8 fossil sites.. seems after i got the shield the amount of fossil sites went up and thats the most annoying part, release the fukin pet already, this alone creates an obsticle in the way of getting the epics.
Watch me suffer through absolute pain on Twitch: www.twitch.tv/solheimyt
mate, I got the hatchling
Archeology update? Did you get the sword?
First you're hopefull, then your angry, depressed but in the end you dont have any emotions left so you just sit there.. digging..
this
You only gotta get lucky once. Doesn't matter if you've done 1200 solves or 12. Your next epic might only be one solve away. It's a grind, I'm at 800 solves, still trying to get Zin'rokh, but at least it's afk as hell and I can do something on a 2nd monitor while doing arch
How can u know how many solves u have? I looked for the addons and they aren’t on curseforge?
@@daisyou812 Weak auras or scripts. Try to google - Archeology Solves Counter for weakaura. But all methods have one annoying bug - after solve you need /reload to correct counts.
You can see in Minimal Archeology how many soleves you have for each type @@daisyou812
130 hours in 2 weeks on just archeology is insane lol..
100+ hours to maybe get a pre-raid bis item? hard pass
its not just pre raid bis, since you only replace it with HC item
Its gonna be replaced by HC item which is also a RNG drop, which also have a high competition. On top of that HC isn't joke, ppl are 100% better than in OG Cata but still, it might take quite some time until zin'rokh or staff is gonna be replaced
trinket is bis for hpally all through t11
Ya just gotta be me and get both the Staff and Zin'rokh in less than 5 solves once ya hit 450. I know, I'm scum, thank you!
@@drakainen4555 Haha nice!
I'm in the same boat as you. I'm at almost 1,200 total solves. Around 500 Troll and 270 Dwarf. I've got the shield, and that's it. I don't even want the shield.
lvl an alt to 450 without solving trolls u have a good shit within the first 20 solves for it with the guarenteed 2 rares
chance*
@@mikedavid1945 that's exactly what I did with my first character. Why didn't it work? It's still only a small chance, same as every regular solve.
Pain.
@@SolheimGaming There's a weak aura called Pain and obviously is tracking archaeology progression. It's funny when you compare the whole guild in the chat with !pain which displays the total solves of all players utilizing it. At least someone begins to feel sorry for you after that. :D
2.1k+ solves in no trinket staff or sword. Attempting the alt tech, but all of my excitement for cataclysm has been killed by archeology.
Agreed tried alt tech leveled 5 total and I farm dual boxing dwarf dks, up to an insane number if solves but nothing to show which is a huge piss off
Just don’t do archeology and get other items lol
Damn I got my Zin in about 210 troll solves and I thought I was extremely unlucky. Hope you get it soon.
I even got the shield and staff around 50 solves each and I wasn’t even farming them.
That is extremely lucky.
Absurdly lucky. grats dude
Should I wiat to solve troll till 80? Don't you have better rates for your first couple solves or am I wrong?
It has nothing to do with 80. Its about getting 450 skill. You dont get lvl85 epics unless you have 450 skill. So if you want you can lvl with the other race solves and not solve troll at all till you get to 450 for higher chance of epics
I think if Cataclysm will be rushed then they could improve the drops rates Archaeology has currently
I am a dwarf and I'm digging a hole
I'm digging my own grave ngl
They have too many important bugs to fix to bother with archaeology. This is just a good distraction while they scramble to fix those things.
The probability of at least one success in 300 tries is approximately 77.69% in a single race for example Troll, yet there are people out there with up to 1000 tries who still haven't succeeded and feel like they've gotten the middle finger instead
I'm sure this has already been realised by now, but you CAN get the Pterrordax Hatchling now. I just got it at 450 Archae, with only 137 solves. So I have now completed Fossils.
Been doing a little bit every day since launch. Just got the shield last night and it’s also the only one I won’t use.
Is there two versions of the hatchling or did they move it up to 525 after a couple of days? Because I got it my second day…
The pterodax one need 525, not the raptor, you can get the raptor atm
@@Gorgok19Just got the Pterrodax today
@@Gorgok19they changed something cause I got the Hatchling and the Fossilized Raptor before Cata launched yesterday
I got the hatching at 450 arch last week before launch.
I finished fossil, how is it possible?
Also archeology was not available on the OG prepatch... so they make this change without making some kind of progressive change to make it a little more palitable. 100% ruined the prepatch for countless people
A fail safe would be an excellent addition. Truth is even with 1000 solves, you’re no closer than you were after 10 solves. It just doesn’t feel good. However, my buddy got the staff and the trinket with 700ish solves. Stay positive!
I agree 100% also when you clear old raid like ICC after 5 weeks you get a token you can exchange for Invincible mount
I feel like, they are already speeding up this expansion with the fast phases so i no argument to not put a failsafe on these epics.
Granted i have not spent as much as you, but i have been logging every day after work and been doing this non-stop and i have not seen a single one.
Did you get anything since you posted this?
Got the shield twice and am now considering rerolling prot pala xD
2x on the same character?
@@XDarkPyroX ofc not. Tried the "First 10 solves" thing on my 2nd and....yeah didn't work
Think the game is telling u something
@@SolheimGaming And I will refuse to listen xD
Have to agree with this. Still farming for epix. Got the low level mail head and cloth chest that will never be used because of heirlooms. Wouldn't mind some kind of actual progression. I think your token idea isn't good, but some kind of increase to chance of getting rare solves based on how much effort you put in would be good. Actually, without it, with archaeology being pure rng, the whole proffession isn't so much a proffession as an addiction. Lol.
I got zin'rokh in 13 solves, 30 troll total. I think that's pretty much as good as it gets about 4h total. And did most of it when I was in dungeon queue at 84, so I actually had a couple of million xp pr hour while doing so
I love that archaeology doesn't make you compete for a resource, you can be side by side with another player and you're both doing your own digging. no stress, no toxicity, just two people farming the same thing at the same time. nothing like trying to farm ore or herbs
Well i have the hatchiling on 450 what now?
Agree with all of your points, particularly the fossil pet locked at 525 that's just a slap in the face.
Agree 110%! The entire system is fine except instead of turning fragments into rng solves you spend the fragments on the items you want.
Like you I’ve been unlucky dual boxing dwarf dks solving tons but getting no results, rerolled a few times leveling a total of 5 characters.
I'm at 800 solves atm with no epic at all, but I genuinely dont want a failsafe. If you were guaranteed the sword after 500 solves if would become mandatory, now it's just luck so I don't feel the same "need" to dig.
I keep going back and forth with whether I want to continue this grind, probably around 300 total solves so not a lot my any means. Saying player progression is limited by RNG isn't really much of a point to make though as that applies to all the items you get from raiding etc. too
This is insane.
I have 275 total solves.
Already got the staff and the shield.
Got the staff on my 55th solve
then you're in the 1%, gz
I know I'm late to the party but just want to add a few things. I started archeology about 4 days ago and today I just got my zin rohk. That's right I had maybe 100 or so troll solves. People giving advice saying to wait to solve troll till 450. My advice is since there is only like 3 rares get them out of the way while lvl arch. Once you hit 450 thatl leave with only one left the sword! Maybe I was extremely lucky but that's how I got the sword.
By solve do you mean, not to level troll below 450 or just not solving trolls below 450? Im new so im a bit lost.
I don't remember it being this hard the first time around. Wonder if your odds go up as you level. That's what I'm banking on at this point. I'm just toping off at 200 of each and I'll try my luck again on Tuesday.
Thats what im doing with 5 characters too
People burning out on the game is not good for shareholders... This is blizzard simply not wanting to put up the money to pay programmers to change anything.
you could just increase the chance to get the epic with every common craft. So after a certain amount of effort you are getting it for sure.
It seems everyone in my guild is out doing archaeology. A couple of people have gotten the shield and one person has gotten the trinket. No one has gotten the sword / staff yet. I'm only at 203 solves, and don't see myself going past 300-350. At this point I'd be happy getting any epic, even if it's just the shield.
Spent like 100+ hours aswell. Gotten Shield and Staff epic. So I feel your pain. And All I wanted is Zin'rokh :')
Zero epics in 110 hours myself...I really wish they'd adjust it
Im so happy to be a rogue for cataclysm so all i just want is the mounts so achived the raptor super fast so now im just chilling untill launch for archy to get instant 525 got 200 in all factions just w8ing :D
I just solved innkeepers daughter today, so it must no longer be bugged.
I was solving it while I was also solving the fossil mount, and I didn't roll any troll rares while I had those other two rares active, so there might be a limit on the number of rares in progress that you can have.
They did fix it last hotfix, you're correct. I don't think there's a limit on number of rares in progress, I had 4 in progress yesterday.
Thanks for the info, I guess I was just unlucky
I had 4 rares up plus the orc mail helm at once. Still no 85 epic but have got everything else available
I already got the fossil mount & pet at 450 archeology
interesting, there no player that doesnt have that
Ive given up tbh not good for my sanity and my will to play the game, i dont want to be burned out before cata even launches so no, I may dig if im bored but not farming for hours anymore (0 epics here btw so not the slightless motivation left)
I have 2 Chars with high Warlod, but im am since i got the Mount, with some pet and epics but none 85‘s
Im 1200+ in... got the shield and trinket so far.. needing staff
And locking OPTIONAL player power behind rng is fine I’d say more farmable than raid drops at least lol
I was doing this grind too for the sword. Then I remembered blizzard added wow tokens and am just going to gdkp a raid weapon as a buyer. That's the end of archeology for me.
Got the staff but on a warrior main… 😭😭😭
I got the Hatchling the other day so they definitely made a change before yesterday. I got that right after I got the fossilized pet. I was like wait both in a row? 😂
DO NOT USE THE CHAR BOOST IF YOU HAVE PROFESSIONS TRAINED TO ANY LEVEL!!!!!!!!!! GO CHECK THE WOW CLASSIC BUG FORUMS!!!!!!!!! IT BRICKS YOUR TOON and makes your profs bug to 0/0... you cant level them and you cant untrain them.... whats more is this have been going on for weeks in the forums and we have got ZERO response from blizz
Thought I had bad rng for getting zinrokh on 300ish troll solves… have seen some ridiculous number of attempts 5/600+ hope you guys get
it at last
I'm so glad I didn't have 4k honor or Justice points, or I woulda been doing this grind too. The fact you only had the shield at 90 hrs of digging was a red flag. Now 40 hours later and you're in the same boat.. I'd be going crazy.
I stopped at 400 troll solves. Haven’t been on in 3 days because like you said, hiding something this meaningful behind straight rng is trash. I’ve started playing a different game the last few days and idk if I’ll be back for cata haha
Fishfood was here.
I only want the sword, im professor title, got all epics except sword. Feels like im getting 90% fossils now that everything else is completed.
Ive gotten everything except what i want. No staff. Im over 100 hrs also.
It's time to put down the crack pipe...
Imagine locking player power behind pet battle. i feel the same way with archeology :D
HAHA
150 solves Night Elf trinket, onto Dwarf now
or give some form of bad luck protection so the more you craft of a race the more likely you are to get an epic
They should do a system kinda like the legion legendary fail safe where after not getting a rare after so many solves it will increase odds of getting epic
I love it makes ppl angry...it is fine to have things u cant bruteforce by gold/time investment.
Fingers crossed for each and everyone who's struggle. Dig until u get it.
Yeah I'll just get a 2H from heroics and a 2H from raids later, not worth 150 hours of free time for something that won't last past phase 1 but that's just my little opinion
I got stupid lucky with the sword and shield... Less than 100 solves for each. But I have no characters that I want either of those for, lol. No sign of the staff yet, but only about 220 solves in dwarf, so compared to you and many others, can't really complain that much.
lol only
staff should be guarranted after 150 at most its such a waste of time
Absolutely need a fail safe ... Feels so bad this ... would have loved to do sooo much leveling new alts and stuff, but being serious about our raiding i kinda feel i need to keep farming farming...
I dont know but I can imagine those guilds would prefer to do raid trash farms instead of archeology. might be.
Cata Hype! Cata Hype!
Argument of 'Locking player progression behind RNG' doesn't really makes sense when talking about WoW. Gear has always been locked behind RNG. You get gear from Raids and you could get Thunderfury in one raids but someone else will never see one binding...
Yes, but once you do a raid you are locked out for the week. Meaning there isn't the incentive to play for an excessive and unhealthy amount of hours. Obviously there is a massive difference. . .
You shouldnt get your bis/pre bis items with a shovel before even expantion is out. End of discussion. Hence they shouldnt improve this to get it easier it should be removed
There should be a fail safe along with RNG. This design only makes me want to get in a pitch black room with a male blizz game designer. Make it 4 to even the odds. He would change his perspective in a beat ;)
I got a good 20hrs in and then decided to just lvl a few 70s to 75 so I can learn cata profs
I got the pet yesterday at about 300 skill
this was the most daunting grind, zinrok is sick tho
Im in the same boat, i HATE archeology :)
I wouldn't be so sure that one line of code would change pet dropping at 450 instead of 525. I assume its a big pulp of spaghetti
It's ridiculous that Blizzard isn't allowing us to finish fossil on prepatch
Saw some ppl with.fossils already
If they'd want this rng system to be a legitimate feature to encourage playing the game, all they'd end up with is a ton of burnt out and discouraged majority of players
They need to increase drop rates for the epics since blizz is speeding through this expansion
Where is the video about how much gold you’ve made doing arch?
Or spent...
Definately there needs to be a fail-safe mode.
130 hours?? Bruh go outside & enjoy the summer
failsafe is the way to go. But will they do it? Probably not :(
It was designed to waste your time. Blizzard's prime directive is to keep you playing.
yes
lol I’ve only got the epic shield too and I don’t even have a damned shield wearing char!
I spent 130hrs, bro you’ve done 128
Complaining about player power level locked behind rng is not a relevant point imo as its nothing new (TF in vanilla, warglaives in TBC etc. ) Some people feel obligated to obtain those and if your guild / ambitions demand it - welcome to rng hell.
Making a token system is a workaround that may seem "fair" to you but imagine this - that would force even more people to invest countless hours into archeology via their guild requirements.
Arch is a secondary prof that is literally designed to be a timesink. If you force yourself into it - so be it, your call. But dont give blizzard ideas how to make it pretty much mandatory. thanks!
My experience with Archaeology so far; slowest gold farm ever. Almost 400 troll solves and 0 85 epics.
"unless you play a prot warrior or prot paladin which you shouldnt do anyway" lmao you crack me up bro
top guilds are benching players without preraid bis, including archy epics
Yep -.- this is ridicilous
that's too sweaty lmao
Archaeology has really put into perspective what a waste of time this game is
nearly 450 troll solves and still going. Best of luck to you solheim
unless a humongous wow content creator speaks up nothing will happen. There's multiple threads on the cata classic forums and nothing....
I'm making easy brainless gold while I work doing arch, so I'm liking it
Blizzard is scamming player with this archeology...wtf???
You’re actually trolling yourself not using gathermate
It should have some bad luck protection.
Sorry I don't agree. You start giving it to every and it becomes less epic
Problem is we don't know how they calculate odds. No way in hell it's flat 1% as wowhead said.
@@merick92snowflake, it is better than having 140 hours spent with no result
@@helzing5114 snowflake for not wanting easier, yeah....
@helzing5114 just grind it out Chad! Got mine last night, glhf.
If you have this much time in it i have 0 hope of getting the weapon
i have the shield, and even when i keep fossil maxxed, i have solve them because at some points thats all i have on both continents, yes 8 fossil sites.. seems after i got the shield the amount of fossil sites went up and thats the most annoying part, release the fukin pet already, this alone creates an obsticle in the way of getting the epics.
When you say the pet are we talking about the hatchling?
Maybe if you stop complaining the epics will drop
Archeology is such a waste of time, UNLESS you enjoy it...