Best documentary ever, no preaching or pushing a narrative or virtue signaling about the horrors. Just facts. If I'm watching a documentary like this I don't care what the hosts personal opinions about the subject are.
I lately saw a map of the tunnel system built by the Vietcong during the war, and it was literally staggering ! The network covered practically all of South Vietnam, only the river delta areas in the south-west and mountain areas in the Central Highlands being excluded for obvious reasons. It is truly astounding what dedicated human beings can construct if they are forced to through dire circumstances. Wild horses wouldn't have been able to get me down one of those tunnels and the so-called 'Tunnel Rats', the alied soldiers who volunteered to go into them, were a very special breed of highly courageous men.
I hear that. If we wouldve had flamethrower troops it probably wouodnt have been bad. I wouldn't want tocbe a tunnel rat. But i give them props for doing it though
2024 calling 🤟😎 used to watch this before going to work. Still my favorite Vietnam War series. Thank you for putting this amazing series out there. Peace to everyone.
I met a marine E6 on leave in my home town. I asked him what he remembered most about Vietnam, as he served there at the beginning of his career as a marine for 4 years until the US pulled out. " The smell. The sweet smell of dung. It was everywhere we went. In the fields, and in the woods".
I wish the UK's media company would do something like this about the malay emergency instead the powers that be has made every possible effort conceded to get it swept under the rug, just as with the korean war they really are the forgotten ones of a once great nation and alliance, which i find very disrespectful and unfair for all those who didnt come home and who had given their lives and freedoms not only for their own country and future kin but for anothers aswell?, to this day many malay peoples appreciate what the brits and anzacs acheived for them, there is literally only two documentaries on both these subjects made by the brits showing british involvement, there's probably more on the suez crisis, as with the WW2 version of this series i found this marvellous viewing and very imformative and not overly biased and objective, i believe this series also done a few episodes of really old battles aswell as in towton, agincourt, rourkes drift, wars of the roses and crimea...thanks for the uploading for future generations to bare witness....
One thing I’ve always noticed in watching multiple documentary series about the conflict in Vietnam..The VC always seemed to be running and moving quickly. The Americans by contrast always seemed prone and slow moving. That might be an overly simplistic view but I imagine it’s a reflection of the nature of the combat that took place. Whilst the Americans arguably never lost a battle as such, they never managed to draw the VC out into full scale battles with perhaps the exception of TET which ironically despite being a massive loss for the VC and NVA, in fact turned the tide of the conflict. Fascinating really.
You must not forget that the US troops had to carry about 35 kgs of equipment and weapons, whereas the VC and NVA infantry were generally lightly armed and equiped soldiers.
@@stuvo1977 they’d been fighting for hundreds of years before that too. Surely history tells us at this stage, that any country fighting for its freedom doesn’t quit. You might even think Mr Putin would have realised that but perhaps not 🤷♂️
D Flatt, The source of “history of the world“ information is the VFW. That information may or may not be accurate. But, according to that data, 25% of in country personnel were drafted, and they made up 30% of the casualties. So draftees were slightly more likely to die than enlistees. What that data doesn’t show is the percentage of enlistees as a function of time. At the beginning of the war there was no draft so everyone was a volunteer. Towards the end of the war, as it became more unpopular, significantly fewer people were enlisting which required utilizing the draft in order to keep the numbers up.
Can anyone explain it to me: if the war was lost (as explained at 14:50) because LBJ refused to provide more funds, as he needed money for his Great Society program, how it happened that Saigon fell after six years when LBJ wasn't at the power? Why Johnson's mistakes weren't fixed by Nixon?
They dont mention LZ Albany directly but what happened there to all those brave men should have served as a warning and lessons could have been learned but yet it was covered up and almost ignored by the high up military politicians
They say it was an ambush, but that's wrong : it was more a chance encounter between two units which turned into an all-out brawl, where US airpower and artillery couldn't be brought into play effectively, hence the high death toll.
Does anyone else have the thought of "They should let me be in charge of a War. I'll show them how it's done Right". Lol. It just seems like there should Not be any Reason why the U.S lost this War.
politicians. The US won every major campaign but the politics wanted the war to go on so they were hamstrung from taking over the north or going into Laos and Cambodia to chase. Really dumb way to fight a war,
The narrator neglects one very important detail about the VC tunnel complexes. Where did they poop? Maybe the VC had that ONE tunnel that no one wanted to be around because it was so stinky. I also wonder if the tunnel complexes were like the NCC 1701D Enterprise. There is only one bathroom on board the ship (according to the technical diagrams). Perhaps it was like that in the tunnels?
History shows that you can't win a counter insurgency war. Nevertheless against a tuff people like the Vietnamese. Total waste of time and money did they learn no just like Afghanistan
,,History shows that you can't win a counter insurgency war.'' Oh really? -January Uprising -Caucasian resistance against Tsarist Russia -American-Philippine War -Second Boer War -Tambov Rebellion -Malayan Emergency -Mau Mau Uprising History shows that it is winnable, of course it is
@Noel Normandin bwahaha that is such a dumb thing to say.. remember china and russia both had them too and wouldnt let it go or slide off that easy! haha
@@roadracer1584 You do realise when this was made? You are in the minority unfortunately regarding the OST. It fits perfectly with the Vietnam documentary. This composer also did music for other renowned documentaries.
@@robertmaguire1067 Well. OK. It doesn't matter when the video was made. I prefer to hear the documentary and not crappy music playing in the background which is distracting and makes it harder to understand the narrator.
Anyone know what format these films were shot? 8mm or 16mm? My thinking is 8mm, simple and lightweight. You could carry three times the film as 16mm format films. I don't understand the music background. It' creepy, spooky and depressing. We don't show WW2 in a darkened creepy state. Those documentaries use upbeat music. But provide a documentary on another war that was not as popular and us vets felt we did some thing wrong. Now add insult to injury in this documentary, and use depressing music. The music is creepy and inappropriate. The music is so bad I am going to have to stop watching........damn it!
@@davidhoogendyke2774 Not to hard to understand really. Music backgrounds are used to establish the scene's mood. In the case of this doc, the music is very low, some what mysterious maybe even depressing or morose. Add that to killing and pillaging, you end up with a dark film that will lose viewers. I felt the producers wanted to make it seem creepy, as if the Vietnam war was creepy. 2sints.
From what I heard said exactly that. He didn't mention exact gun ship variants all he said there were gunship variants. Maybe it got something wrong but not this if its as you say.
the 1B and 1C were just revisions, which were also used as slicks before the enlarged D model was fielded. Most short-body UH1s were converted to gunships once the D made up the bulk of the fleet, but none came out of the factory as gunships, they were retrofitted. It was only with the AH-1 that Bell fielded a chopper that was designed from the ground up for the gunship role.
This is the third episode I've watched and at this point, the one piece of background music they purchased to use over and over again, sometimes unnecessarily, is seriously beginning to ruin the whole program for me. Annoying, over-produced, rambling synthesizer garbage that frankly doesn't need to be there.
What the hell do you want?...the usual 60's music playing in a continous loop?.Maybe you should stick to fictional movies on Nam if all you want is entertainment.
Obviously you should stick to American fiction like all American war movies...your shallowness is showing, war shouldn't be entertaining. How old ARE you?.
This documentary is only probably the most comprehensive and detailed battlefield analysis about the Vietnam War.
I haven't found any other as comprehemsive either. It's truly well made.
And this documentary series has been around for several years.
@@EamonnSeoigh I have this on VHS from the late 90's.
@@kdolo100 I wonder what the cover is like
Battlefield is the definitive military doc series.
Still is far superior to Ken Burn's documentary, his bias seethes through the series. This is pure perfection.
So true!
Having not seen that series... what sort biases does it have?
Love the background music 👍
Hands down thee best vietnam documentary. I remember watching this in the late 90s
Best documentary ever, no preaching or pushing a narrative or virtue signaling about the horrors. Just facts. If I'm watching a documentary like this I don't care what the hosts personal opinions about the subject are.
I lately saw a map of the tunnel system built by the Vietcong during the war, and it was literally staggering ! The network covered practically all of South Vietnam, only the river delta areas in the south-west and mountain areas in the Central Highlands being excluded for obvious reasons. It is truly astounding what dedicated human beings can construct if they are forced to through dire circumstances.
Wild horses wouldn't have been able to get me down one of those tunnels and the so-called 'Tunnel Rats', the alied soldiers who volunteered to go into them, were a very special breed of highly courageous men.
I hear that. If we wouldve had flamethrower troops it probably wouodnt have been bad. I wouldn't want tocbe a tunnel rat. But i give them props for doing it though
We weren't winning that war.
@@amkrause2004 they did use flamethrower units in Vietnam. In a tunnel would never work though.
2024 calling 🤟😎 used to watch this before going to work. Still my favorite Vietnam War series. Thank you for putting this amazing series out there. Peace to everyone.
"The M60 could fire more than a houndred rounds a minute..." No shit, more like 500-600.
To be fair, straight up holding down the trigger for a few minutes straight isn’t a great idea lol
@@tristantrust597 unless u need to melt some metal quickly
I met a marine E6 on leave in my home town. I asked him what he remembered most about Vietnam, as he served there at the beginning of his career as a marine for 4 years until the US pulled out. " The smell. The sweet smell of dung. It was everywhere we went. In the fields, and in the woods".
🌴💩💩💩💩💩
Narrator just loves saying "firepower" 😂😂😂
Aye! It sounds like he enjoys using his synthesizer too! 🤣
Kind of reminds me of this ruclips.net/video/sIj09c_QwsE/видео.html
"Meanwhile.. the firepower..."
because it's really an awesome "firepower" 😂😂😂
fayepawah
I wish the UK's media company would do something like this about the malay emergency instead the powers that be has made every possible effort conceded to get it swept under the rug, just as with the korean war they really are the forgotten ones of a once great nation and alliance, which i find very disrespectful and unfair for all those who didnt come home and who had given their lives and freedoms not only for their own country and future kin but for anothers aswell?, to this day many malay peoples appreciate what the brits and anzacs acheived for them, there is literally only two documentaries on both these subjects made by the brits showing british involvement, there's probably more on the suez crisis, as with the WW2 version of this series i found this marvellous viewing and very imformative and not overly biased and objective, i believe this series also done a few episodes of really old battles aswell as in towton, agincourt, rourkes drift, wars of the roses and crimea...thanks for the uploading for future generations to bare witness....
this narrator is perfect to listen to
The NVA's tunnels were pretty impressive
NLF's.
I am Vietnamese. I love Vietnam
Nice to know, bud
I love Vietnam
This is the best thing on utube
Those tunnels are actually cool...
Vietnamese people fighting spirit truly admirable
EXCELLENT!
Thx for this series!
We got a note from headquarters. Search and destroy is to be changed to sweep and clear
Yes, 55 years too late !!!
How about you do a Battlefield Afghanistan or a Battlefield Iraq?
Gen wheelers plan was to fight to a stalemate and hope the north would quit 🤔
the U.S could never really destroy there tunnel systems they were smart fighters
Their tunnel system could withstand being bombed by a B-52, even if 2,000 lb bombs were used. Sheesh
They couldnt withstand CS gas getting pumped into them though...
@@wor53lg50Yes but the sheer size made the gas completely useless, they would just relocate to a safe area.
One thing I’ve always noticed in watching multiple documentary series about the conflict in Vietnam..The VC always seemed to be running and moving quickly. The Americans by contrast always seemed prone and slow moving. That might be an overly simplistic view but I imagine it’s a reflection of the nature of the combat that took place.
Whilst the Americans arguably never lost a battle as such, they never managed to draw the VC out into full scale battles with perhaps the exception of TET which ironically despite being a massive loss for the VC and NVA, in fact turned the tide of the conflict. Fascinating really.
You must not forget that the US troops had to carry about 35 kgs of equipment and weapons, whereas the VC and NVA infantry were generally lightly armed and equiped soldiers.
I mean 1 single sniper can bog down an entire company for hours
They played to their strengths and fought a long war of attrition. They used the perfect strategy and got the victory.
@@stuvo1977 they’d been fighting for hundreds of years before that too.
Surely history tells us at this stage, that any country fighting for its freedom doesn’t quit.
You might even think Mr Putin would have realised that but perhaps not 🤷♂️
IA Drang was a pitched battle. PAVN took such appalling losses they couldn't last if they kept this up.
75% of Service Members in Vietnam weren't Drafted. They Joined. only 25% of people in Vietnam were drafted
Where did narrator say specific %? All he said was "from whom were many drafted". Which is many....
So 600.000 combat draftees and another 1.000.000 or so non combat. I would say that qualifies as many .
D Flatt, The source of “history of the world“ information is the VFW. That information may or may not be accurate.
But, according to that data, 25% of in country personnel were drafted, and they made up 30% of the casualties. So draftees were slightly more likely to die than enlistees.
What that data doesn’t show is the percentage of enlistees as a function of time. At the beginning of the war there was no draft so everyone was a volunteer. Towards the end of the war, as it became more unpopular, significantly fewer people were enlisting which required utilizing the draft in order to keep the numbers up.
@@MarkoLomovic "many of whom were draftees".
You figure is complete bullshit. Most were drafted actually.
The resolve of the North Vietnamese people is unmatched.
Can anyone explain it to me: if the war was lost (as explained at 14:50) because LBJ refused to provide more funds, as he needed money for his Great Society program, how it happened that Saigon fell after six years when LBJ wasn't at the power? Why Johnson's mistakes weren't fixed by Nixon?
Onto part 4
Staying inside a tunnel at Cu Chi isn't for the weak...
F Johnson. Welfare inventor.
They dont mention LZ Albany directly but what happened there to all those brave men should have served as a warning and lessons could have been learned but yet it was covered up and almost ignored by the high up military politicians
They say it was an ambush, but that's wrong : it was more a chance encounter between two units which turned into an all-out brawl, where US airpower and artillery couldn't be brought into play effectively, hence the high death toll.
they did mention it but not by name
Yes, so many brave Vietcong and NVA fighters died.
It wasnt made into a movie. Thats why no one knows about it
La Drang Valley Battle = We Were Soldier
Quya Kalashnikova You watched the Hollywood movie? You really know your history....
Great movie
@@Ash-ey9oy It's good but nowhere near as good as platoon
Larry, Curly, and Moe, The Three Stooges, gave way to LBJ, McNamara, and Westmoreland.
grease
Does anyone else have the thought of "They should let me be in charge of a War. I'll show them how it's done Right". Lol.
It just seems like there should Not be any Reason why the U.S lost this War.
politicians. The US won every major campaign but the politics wanted the war to go on so they were hamstrung from taking over the north or going into Laos and Cambodia to chase. Really dumb way to fight a war,
Best GUERILLA fighters in the world at that time. They say a conventional force needs 10times as many troops to beat them
The narrator neglects one very important detail about the VC tunnel complexes. Where did they poop? Maybe the VC had that ONE tunnel that no one wanted to be around because it was so stinky.
I also wonder if the tunnel complexes were like the NCC 1701D Enterprise. There is only one bathroom on board the ship (according to the technical diagrams). Perhaps it was like that in the tunnels?
Lol. We were pooped in the jungle. And you dont need to take bath time when nalpam bombs droping on your head
@General Grievous damnit you beat me to it haha
They would shit in a bucket and dump it
Dude, they had cities underground. There were North Vietnamese born underground. It was just nuts.
Jesus Loves You
The best thing would be no wars
History shows that you can't win a counter insurgency war. Nevertheless against a tuff people like the Vietnamese. Total waste of time and money did they learn no just like Afghanistan
And, oh yeah. it was a crime against humanity ... like Iraq and Afghanistan. It's all a 'Rich Man's Trick.'
Politics won't let us win and that's what happened in Vietnam and other battles
,,History shows that you can't win a counter insurgency war.''
Oh really?
-January Uprising
-Caucasian resistance against Tsarist Russia
-American-Philippine War
-Second Boer War
-Tambov Rebellion
-Malayan Emergency
-Mau Mau Uprising
History shows that it is winnable, of course it is
@Noel Normandin bwahaha that is such a dumb thing to say.. remember china and russia both had them too and wouldnt let it go or slide off that easy! haha
America hasn't learned a thing about war and never will...too arrogant and greedy.
Fascinating documentary but I couldn't take the repetitive soundtrack anymore.
You'll learn to love it then be back here years later talking about nostalgia
We will get Madonna to do the OST instead.
@@robertmaguire1067 How about no soundtrack at all? The soundtrack is irritating and distracting. It was hard to understand the narrator.
@@roadracer1584 You do realise when this was made? You are in the minority unfortunately regarding the OST. It fits perfectly with the Vietnam documentary. This composer also did music for other renowned documentaries.
@@robertmaguire1067 Well. OK. It doesn't matter when the video was made. I prefer to hear the documentary and not crappy music playing in the background which is distracting and makes it harder to understand the narrator.
49:10 The Troops the Vietcong
Anyone know what format these films were shot? 8mm or 16mm? My thinking is 8mm, simple and lightweight. You could carry three times the film as 16mm format films. I don't understand the music background. It' creepy, spooky and depressing. We don't show WW2 in a darkened creepy state. Those documentaries use upbeat music. But provide a documentary on another war that was not as popular and us vets felt we did some thing wrong. Now add insult to injury in this documentary, and use depressing music. The music is creepy and inappropriate. The music is so bad I am going to have to stop watching........damn it!
What difference does the music make?, what do you want?...top 40 hits, jeez whiz!. How about all the cliche music in all stupid Nam movies?.
@@davidhoogendyke2774 Not to hard to understand really. Music backgrounds are used to establish the scene's mood. In the case of this doc, the music is very low, some what mysterious maybe even depressing or morose. Add that to killing and pillaging, you end up with a dark film that will lose viewers. I felt the producers wanted to make it seem creepy, as if the Vietnam war was creepy. 2sints.
@@gregorys6838 Its a war, not a holiday or a movie. War is scary, depressing, creepy etc. I think the music choice is pretty fitting.
I'm depressed. I Love that music.
26:19 Strategy (The Vietcong)
17:42 The Leaders (Vietcong)
fall movie battlefiel vitnam
I despise the NVA.
Why?
There a worthy opponent
@Arda Kolima Probably because they kicked Burgerland's asses.
@@carpetclimber4027 Probably because they didn't
@@abbfilmann3735 Yeah, Burgerland just permanently retreated and never returned. Sounds like a loss to me.
UH-1H is the Slick.. the UH-1B and UH-1C were used as gunships.. this video is getting a lot of things wrong
From what I heard said exactly that. He didn't mention exact gun ship variants all he said there were gunship variants. Maybe it got something wrong but not this if its as you say.
the 1B and 1C were just revisions, which were also used as slicks before the enlarged D model was fielded.
Most short-body UH1s were converted to gunships once the D made up the bulk of the fleet, but none came out of the factory as gunships, they were retrofitted. It was only with the AH-1 that Bell fielded a chopper that was designed from the ground up for the gunship role.
@@brandensilverstar Then prove me wrong, show your sources !
@@MarkoLomovic You didn't hear that in this doc!!!.
@@davidhoogendyke2774 didn't hear what ?
This is the third episode I've watched and at this point, the one piece of background music they purchased to use over and over again, sometimes unnecessarily, is seriously beginning to ruin the whole program for me. Annoying, over-produced, rambling synthesizer garbage that frankly doesn't need to be there.
What the hell do you want?...the usual 60's music playing in a continous loop?.Maybe you should stick to fictional movies on Nam if all you want is entertainment.
Great documentry ruined by that annoying background music. The music adds nothing.
The music and tone of the narrator is offensive. Trying to impress a mood?
That's not history, it is propaganda!
history books are to my opinion (atleast) always 60% propaganda
Obviously you should stick to American fiction like all American war movies...your shallowness is showing, war shouldn't be entertaining. How old ARE you?.