Plastic Porsche. 904, 906, 910, 907, and 908 Documentary 1999
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- Опубликовано: 20 дек 2022
- "History's Pitstop - Plastic Porsche, 904, 906, 910, 907, & 908". Henry Payne discusses the history of his rare Porsche collection. Featuring 904-066, 906-160, 910-001, 907-005, and 908/02-017.
Digitized from an old OOP VHS tape.
Also, I am looking for 906 doors and other minor body parts and I have surplus 906-908 parts.
I can not believe I found this! My dad worked at Payne Engineering I would go there and just look at those cars. The smell in the garage is something I will always remember. I would see this 904 every day when I would cut the grass there in the summer and it is my favorite car of all time. Thank you so much for posting this!
Glad you liked it. Henry certainly created something special. The guy used a 904 as a daily driver, assembled the greatest collection of Porsche prototypes in individual, private ownership, continued to race them despite being worth millions, built a race track, and invited locals to enjoy it. And all in WV of all places.
YES the smell of hypoid oil, fresh rubber, glue, fiberglass, race gas, paint... I know the memory . Great stuff, great passions 🏁
I will never forget as a teenager passing Henry in the 904 while we are in a driving rain on the Expressway just about at the Train Station down from South Hills. His Mini Make with the tuned 1250 motor won many auto crosses, and his AC Buick was legendary. I had asked him when was he going to get a real Cobra- He responded as soon as he finds a Cobra with a better Power to Weight ratio.
I've looked for this documentary for years! I've seen these cars in person, driven on that track,
and was told this video existed but could never find it! I've always been fascinated by Henry Payne III and lived very near this facility. Thank you so much for posting this!
A fan of the 904 from the beginning.Such a simple frame with a clean body it has always been a winner to me
of course some commenters just have to bash something. Not saying there is no course for argument, just that this video comment section is not it. Thank you for a great piece of history and I have actually owned 906 and 917 cars in 1/24 scale.
Great docu - thks for the upload. Saw some of the fiberglass Porsches live on Hill-Climbs in Southern Germany during the late 60tees and early 70tees - and our local racer trio even built a hill climb open two seater based on a tubular frame copied from the 904 - those where the days - those where the real cars. Still some of the most beautiful sports cars ever made.
These designs are the most beautiful for me, I just love the rear end of the 906 and the 907! The 904 is just cute and perfect in every way
I am totally stunned by the sincere quality of this. And really as much as the 904 to me looks almost friendly, its shown successors feel intimidating like bullets. There is great Targa Florio material with the Spyders on yt. Thankyou.
Thank you for posting this, I've been looking for this documentary for years. I worked at Payne Engineering in Florida for 10 years and visited the WV plant many times, even went to a couple track events with Henry and Jack. Worked on the cars a few times, but I was always nervous I was going break something irreplaceable 😂. Henry was an incredible engineer and boss, I think about him often.
I remember many of these great racecars. Saw some of them in action at the Ollon-Villars hillclimb race in Switzerland. Even saw Jim Clark at the hillclimb.
Excellent documentary about the direct ancestors of the mighty porsche 917. Thank you.
Thanks for this video. Mr Payne is a lucky man. The 907 LH is truly magnificent.
Glad you enjoyed it. Henry embodied the American dream. He built something from nothing and had the forethought to buy many rare cars before they exploded in value. Unfortunately, he died in 2008. What we admired about him was that he continued to drive these cars as just as Porsche intended, despite their growing value. Jerry Seinfeld now owns the 907. His mechanic called me seeking a glass windshield to replace the perspex version pictured here, so apparently they are doing a complete restoration and making it "as good as new". Unfortunately, it almost certainly will never see serious track time again.
I’ve watched this twice now , great Porsche history and all from a little egg the Beetle
Excellent! Good to see Henry, and the cars, again.
Waaay back in the day, Henry Payne held SCCA autocrosses at the track he built around the grounds of Payne Engineering. He would frequently take either his 904 (with the 6 cyl engine), 906, 908 or 910 around his track. I recall the day he stuffed his 908 into a tree that was near the edge of the track. Somewhere I have a photo of my dad standing between his 904 and one of the others.
Wow, Carl Sagan had a Porsche collection. Who knew?
Brilliant documentary 👌
What a collection, thanks for sharing. I heard back in 1966 that the the suspension of the 910 was subject to request for quotes from both Lotus and Elva and that Elva won. Probably more to do with Chapman's over ambitious pricing...
Thank you for the video!
RIP Henry. At one point he had a 4l open topped 907 that was incredibly quick.
Right....... In my model car collection I have a Chev, Lin, and AMC Horn.
PORSCH-'E' (Pronounced AH in German)🏁☮️
I drive a Ford, in this video it would be a For!
It's not "Porsch", but "Porsch-e", the "e" at the end is stressed.
As a Porsche specialist, one should know ...
Do you feel better now?
Does the Porsche specialist holiday in Paris (pronounced Paree)?
Thank you, because I simply cannot say more than that.
Thank you.
Ollon -villars Spider ❤ greetings from exactly there
thanks'! wow like a vette! light and lively drive' i bet', got to love the sixties', peace
😽💗👍👍✌ I love the cars !
No power steering adds a whole new layer of fun and excitement.
Found that out driving our 83 944 !!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊
I would frequently see neurosurgeon Dr. David Lane's red 904 on the streets of Ft. Lauderdale when I was a teenager. Sightings were a big deal for me back then. The Porsche had steel wheels and a muffler with two outlets. I also saw the car at SCCA races from time to time. He was usually with Chuck Cassel and his silver 904 and co-drove with Cassel at Sebring one year that I remember (and a couple more times, according to the website Racing Sports Cars). Cassel's car had the racing exhaust system.
And, by the way Bob Publicker drove his pontoon-fender Ferrari Testarossa on the streets of Ft. Lauderdale back then. With the four howling megaphones emphasizing his presence.
Why anyone thinks cheap tinkly background music adds value to this documentary is beyond me
It's not Porch!!! It's PorschE!
Actually, the 906 had one concession to street use; it had a drivers manual.
That yellow 904 is a repro. To me the wide wheel wells mar the beauty of the car.
Clearly you don't know who Henry Payne was. The 904 is not only the genuine article, but also well known as the highest mileage 904 in existence. The changes he made to the car to suit his daily driving needs have been published in a variety of Porsche books and magazines. Thanks for watching though.
@@slash5bmw Didn’t know who he was. The slimmer 904s looked better though I’m sure his has a six and his much faster. My apologies.
The 904 looks like the Ferrari P3.
I frankly fail to see the similarities between the 904 and P3, aside from the fact that they’re both mid-engined. If you examined the designs and their differences, you’d see the P3 has more emphasis on both its rear and frontal haunches. The Ferrari P3 also generally carries a slightly more rounded philosophy to its exterior design, whereas the Porsche 904 leans towards the boxier side of the overall design.
For gods sake its POR-SHA
Now Germany is gone! One's it was Müller, Meier, Schmidt... now it is Yussuf, Hassan and Achmet!!!!!!!!!!
What?
Carrera gts😊
Quit saying it wrong!!!!!
Why concern yourself with the pronunciations of strangers?
Over paid, ignorant Americans again! Try Renualt, Citreon.
By "plastic", do you mean 'resin reinforced fiberglass?' Plastic infers a weak, or cheap, element which they ( Porsches ) were definitely not.
Fiberglass is a type of fiber-reinforced plastic. I think you might be confusing the word 'infers' for the word 'implies'. If you are suggesting that 'plastic' universally implies something to be cheap or weak, then I would disagree. The use of fiber-reinforced plastic for the body of the 904 was not only a departure, but also an advancement for Porsche. Beginning at 0:53, the narrator mentions the rigidity of the 904 and Mr. Payne discusses why these cars were dubbed 'Plastic Porsches'.
I thought the Mini-Cooper won the Monte Carlo rally in the mid-60's. Porsche sometimes exaggerates their successes. Look at the results history and not a story book. We race for results, and they are well documented.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but at around 3:00 the narrator correctly states that a 904 took 2nd place overall in the 1965 Monte Carlo Rally, not first. I have confirmed this both in the race results and also the various story books I have, which are both well documented.
@@slash5bmw And it beat the 911, which IIRC, finished fifth. Also, I seem to remember that a 912 won the European Rally Championship back in the ‘60s.
I believe that the point of the comment in the video was that the Porsche came second in a "brutal event" with a car that was designed for the race track. If you are looking for outright wins, that would be the Porsche 911 with 3x wins in a row in the 1960s and another in the 1970s.
Not all of em. Minis won 64 and 65, then the French banned them!
What is so difficult about pronouncing the Porsche name correctly????
“Porsh”? Come on people, what the hell. Why is “Porsche” so hard to say. Clearly not a real Porsche guy.
Ignoring the pretense, I'm not sure how someone could hear the dropped syllable and not hear the extensive historic and technical information and come to that conclusion. Very odd, clearly.
apparently impossible for an anglophone to correctly pronounce "Porsche"...
good show mate
I am sure that they must run a competition in the USA, to see who can mispronounce most foreign names? It seems almost illegal to say any non-US name correctly….
That's very clever. I suggest you avoid Victory by Design: Porsche. Alain de Cadanet might be a little too much for self-approving ears.
But they’re foreign right? 😂
It is illegal in many states.
A great documentary, very informative however the narrator is horrible and made me want to sleep lol.
And for the next 50 years, Porsche continued to lie to their customers, promoting the rear engined street sports car suspension design as superior to a mid engine design which they had chosen to use as their prototype racing designs. And we wonder how many driver and passenger deaths resulted from the use of that well known inferior design. The death machine: the Porsche 911. Drive at your own risk, because you already know it's a poor design.
While I don't think anyone would dispute that there are better drivetrain designs than the rear-engine layout, I think you're sensationalizing the situation quite a bit. Based on my research, Porsche never claimed it was a superior design. It does have advantages and Porsche has engineered their version to make it perform very well. When machines are used at or beyond their capabilities, failures are going to happen. By your logic, a Cessna 150 is an inferior design because the wings come off if you try to pull 8.5g like an F-4 Phantom. The 911 is perfectly safe to drive. It wouldn't have passed the NTSB vetting process otherwise.
Porsche tried to replace the 911 w/ the 928. The market spoke, "we prefer the 911". Over the years, Porsche continued development of the 911 to be the car it is today. Extended wheelbase, wider rear tires, improved suspension, brakes & aero & now driver assist systems. It has become a quite stable, high performance platform... especially for drivers who cared to learn & leverage its unique nature. Perhaps one might focus upon over-weight, low-powered 4 wheel drive transport devices - I understand they are incredibly safe for unskilled operators, + there are plenty to choose from. Good luck!
Whoa Deb B, driving is always at your own risk! I drove hundreds of thousands of miles in the prototype 911, the VW Bug, burning up engines, clutches, brakes, suspension parts, breaking and driving with mixes of those components working or not. Never rolled one over, loved to hang out the rear, oversteering with joy, full time fun auto experience. "Superior?" Mother Superior used to love to pinch me at Catechism, but I still went. I think I have those 'self approving' ears, too. Great vid, the 904 was my fave! Thanks,
@@robnamowicz8073 Yes, it's at our own risk. But the manufacturer knew it was a bad design for a sports car all the way back to at least 1960. For a slow city car, or a bus, sure, hang that engine behind the rear wheels. For a performance car, where handling it important? Nope, it doesn't belong behind the rear wheels, easily demonstrated by Porsche itself, which turned to mid engines for their best handling racing vehicles. Continuing to promote the 911, well, we'll never know how many people died unnecessarily, or were crippled because of the desire to sell garbage to foolish drivers who thought they were experts. And, even experts preferred a mid engine vehicle, but they too would bend to $$$$ when offered. The 911 in it's later years only survived because of the balance of performance regulations.
Even Porsche eventually gave up, and gave their top 911s a mid engine design, but didn't dare make their top racing street car oh my god a CAYMAN, because it would destroy the market to all the macho people who felt the need to proclaim to the world, 'LOOK AT ME! I CAN DRIVE THE NOTORIOUSLY TRICKY TO HANDLE CAR THAT KILLS LESSER DRIVERS, BECAUSE I'M AN EXPERT!' And so the 911 moniker lives on.
These were the real Porsches. The 911 is just an expensive Corvair.
Get the name right! Porsche prenouced PORSH ER. Don't chop it short. arg!
POR-SHA not Porsh
What about Porsch-Uh
@@douglasjherring 🤦♂️shut up grasshopper