Another Big Bang Denier
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- I haven't heard this argument against the Big Bang before. Original, but stupid. Check it out here (at own risk!): aoi.com.au.
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Wow, this must be something really stupid to have made Martymer come out of his hibernation to correct it
Well there's no shortage of stupid around. But he's also already dealt with a lot of it. Still, it would be nice to hear from him more often.
Lol, yeah I couldn't help but think, "Yay he's back, but this is gonna be a dumpster fire".
You are EXACTLY right there at the end where those that talk about science being wrong or saying that a "thing" contradicts science are nearly always those that never took any science class. For some reason the RUclips Science is irresistible and one RUclips video is enough to make any idiot an expert.
If you don't even know what a theory is then you have about as much authority on science as someone who doesn't speak German has on the grammar of a native speaker. If you don't even understand the language then you can't even claim any credibility.
Exactly right.
Good to see you again. Hopefully you do another video tearing apart everybody's favorite blue wuh peddler.
I just checked if he's said something worth replying to recently. Dammit. He has.
@@Martymer81 [rubs hands together in anticipation]
@@Martymer81 need mittens and burana? 🧤💊 or aren’t these enough?
A martymer video?! You have made my day
Year*
@@marlonthomas8042 decade*
I actually said, "Oh boy!"
Good to see you back after some time
There was no Big Bag. No matter how hard I tried, none would fit the bin.
It's a shame you don't drop videos as often as you used to, I guess you're too busy
I'm so proud to see it's time for the anniversary of another Bang Denier, they grow up so fast.
Maybe the word "bang" in big bang is part of the problem that science are having. Perhaps the Big Whoosh, the Big Whump or the Big Shazaam would be better.
@@JMM33RanMA Just blame Fred Hoyle for that
@@boterlettersukkel Yes, blame the idiot who invented that term in an attempt at denigrating the cosmic expansion theory.
@@Kualinar Fred Hoyle was an idiot that went full retard the older he got.
This is a well known fact.
His nucleosynthesis theory is well known but he wanted a steady state universe.
In the end he went full relitard.
"Big Bang" is just a catch phrase, which has been used for the general public because it sounds neat and they can grasp the general idea. It should not be taken as a detailed description. Like the term "Black Hole", which is used in a similar casual fashion; I've heard that a different term was used in Russian language discussions due to it having an unfortunate slang meaning. 😯
It's always good to see another video of yours :)
Some of your older vids (specifically the ones about spirit """science""") helped me avoid falling for pseudoscience.
just thought I'd mention it
Did you see video about when Spirit "Science" felt to neo-nazi propaganda? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hope you avoid the psuedo science present in academic journals as well.
Thank you. And yes, GRAVITY!
And thank you for noting the _observable_ universe is not infinite.
Your uploads are always a welcome surprise. Wish happiness and health for you and your family
Nice to see you again. Bring on the oven mitts
Meanwhile the Universe continues expanding.
A joy as always, and welcome back ! I admire your restraint in calling these Dipsticks, Wuckfads and Hrsaoles for what they actually are. (Spoonerisms came from an Oxford don with an unfortunate habit, transposing initial letters...)
Thank you so much for including the "GRAVITY" meme, I've been missing it.
7:20 Conspiracy theorists, woo peddlers, and other anti-science nutters, all have a completely different definition of what the word, "Assumption", means in science and math. They always re-define it as, "The conclusion that I want to force into being, and discarding anything else that doesn't". In math and science, "Assumption" is used for simplification and clarification purposes. They want "Assume" to mean, "This is the conclusion no matter what.". It clearly shows 1. Complete lack of education, 2. Probably complete dishonesty, 3 Most likely 1 and 2 at the same time.
This isn't about just stupid. It's about EPIC stupid. Awesome analysis and debunk. I'm glad you're back.
it's impressive that 2022 material can look like 2005's one.
I really appreciate it, keep it up, it's fucking awesome
it is admirable that you started to ignore all the flerfers stumbling across youtube and found some new stupid^^
Sadly with RUclips, social media and the internet there is no limit to the stupid.
Can confirm: that website does look like old Geocities personal websites. I've been trying to find mine in some of the archived collections online and BOY OH BOY would that urine-colored "research center"'s webpage fit in just fine and dandy.
Looks a lot like that Time Cube website, too. Which I don't remember if it's the same ultra-religious guy who was _so deeply and completely far gone from sane_ that he single-handedly programmed his own operating system from scratch on instructions from his imaginary friend. Which also looked like that website.
"Crazy person's website" has a _look,_ is all I'm saying. And no, mine didn't look anything like it. Shame, really. I made a nice, easy to look at background and I had a whole list of webcomics I forgot about since, but none of it was kept. Instead you got a bunch of weird, depressingly prepubsecent _look how cool I am_ stuff preserved.
Ah, TempleOS. It's an experience.
Nah, Terry Davis was unfortunately ill but not ill enough to come up with Time Cube, that was Otis Ray.
I am subscribed to all manner of youtubers that respond to stupidity, like Logicked for example... But any time Martymer shows up in my feed, I know somebody went somewhere extra stupid.
Have you seen Sir Sic?
It was a very good day with Professor Dave, Professor Stick all releasing videos on the same day and now the cherry on top of this we get a Martymer video!!!
It warms my heart to see and hear the "GRAVITY" clip after so many years!!!
Occam's razor:
The Simple explanation for Day, Nights, Years, Seasons, stars position in the sky and the horizon is, the Earth is spherical and rotate around a axis.
The flat earth explanation for the same is; We are under a dome and inside this dome a local sun and a moon is circulating the north pole, that folk in Australia can not see the polar star is for we all also have a personal dome around us, the Earth is flat for gravity do not exist and we stick to the ground for we are denser than air and for water always are leveled even we can observe tides that still can't be explained and ....
Well, when folk like flat-earthers have to come up with a new explanation for everything Occam had go fot the simplest answer that answer all the questions that is "ew live on a huge sphere that slowly rotate around it own axis that is not perfectly still".
Great to see you back from the depressing void that is "not addressing something stupid" 🙂
Quality over quantity -- your videos are worth the wait.
I open RUclips. There's a video from Martymer and a video of Sir Sic making fun of Spirit Science. This must be Christmas!
You evil bastard. You made me go look at what Jordan has been up to recently. Consciousness and quantum mechanics. Damn you. Oh well, at least I'm not working tomorrow, so I can drink. ... There's a high probability I'll be making another WDPLaSS now...
@@Martymer81
😁It's pleasure to serve you, my lord.
@@Martymer81 Yes please rip Jordan a new ankh hole.
The legend has returned
Unfortunately being intelligent doesn't make you immune to believing something because you want to. For example Sir Fred Hoyle and his steady state Universe. This Big Bang denier though seems to be in the left hand half of the bell curve.
This actually seems less stupid then most of the stuff you cover. Don't get me wrong it's stupid, but it seems less wrong then electric universe, young earth creationism, new age woo, flat earth and hollow earth.
Well someone had to tell him... too many people fall for his BS and turns people stoopid. Glad to of seen this.
I'm not sure there's any phrase someone can use, that's more damning of their knowledge of basic science, as "just a theory".
16:23 No theory needed? So he's a flat Earther who doesn't know what theory means in science?
GRAVITY! 🤣
Ouch for so many reasons. Desertphile is always an amusing touch
I always learn stuff when I see your videos. Mostly that there is no end to the number of complete idiots who think they can debunk all of established science with woo horse manure!
As soon as that website came up, I was thinking "2000's web!" You're back in my time when I learned how to code in HTML (took a single lesson. Damned fine uni course!) That awful background colour had me think "AOL" 🤣 Well, it matches the level of idiocy on display...
Indeed it looks like a CGA colour palette.
A MTBs professor at university had a website where the background was a dither between that awful mustard yellow and pure white. Maybe one day he'll learn we have more than sixty-five thousand colours these days.
That style is how the web *should* look. Bring back bespoke sites and personal pages! Smash the centralized platforms!
@@klobiforpresident2254 Euw! Vile. Our teacher had us build a website using backgrounds, links, fonts, etc. For the time, they were pretty far ahead :)
@@Noname72105 I'm all for personalised pages - I've made enough sites in my time. But that yellow (and those close to it) should be banned! ;)
It's great to discover your channel again. Last I remember you were laughing at Spirit Science.
I wonder what Oort soup tastes like....
@17:10 " Why people opinin don't know...."
Raging Wikipedia fueled cases of Dunning Kruger syndrome?
"The people who are the most certain that what science says is wrong, are the ones that don't even know what science says." Ah yes, Dunning-Kruger. Classic.
"No Theory Required"
Aaaand David Noel destroyed all of his credibility with that absurd statement!
Return of the king
Desertphile, improving videos for a decade. :D
0:42 Yes, I do.
What? … NO! I'M NOT OLD!
… I'm still young at heart.
10:30 : This guy also gets "black dwarf stars" wrong. A starlike object that's not quite massive enough to be a star is called a BROWN dwarf. A BLACK dwarf is a hypothetical object formed when a WHITE dwarf star cools off to the point where it's no longer emitting visible light. I say hypothetical, because not only have none been observed (not even with radio telescopes), they SHOULD NOT EXIST because it takes trillions (not billions) of years for a black dwarf to cool off that much.
It is actually quite simple why this guy is wrong. Without the radiation background created in the early Universe, there is no reason why cosmic dust or any comets and asteroids far from the stars should have the temperature of exactly 2.7 K. Their temperature would vary with the distance from the sun being close to 0 K for very far one, and even more than 2.7 K for closer ones (like the Kuiper belt objects). There is no reason they all would be at 2.7 K.
Good to see you back!
Martymer videos are like fascinating celestial events:
They only happen every few years
And stupid people don't understand them
As if scientists just LIKE BB cosmology. I think if we're reducing things down to the subjective for the sake of argument, I'd guess most scientists don't like the BB model. But they're scientists so it doesn't matter what they like if the evidence points that way.
If Oort Soup was real, we would see stars forming in the middle of nowhere, instead of gas clouds. Especially in the middle of nowhere, far away from existing bodies - because those are the areas where density of the Soup should be greatest.
How does this disprove the Big Bang anyway? Even if we accept this Oort soup idea, how did it get there, where did matter come from, and how did it coalesce into Jupiter-sized bodies in the middle of nowhere?
Science isn’t wrong, just incomplete.
Worth the wait. See you next time you find some wonky nonsense worth debunking!
This is one of the many lone sad souls who thinks only he (it is rarely a she) understands physics and everybody else is wrong. Every physicist gets contacted by some of them sooner or later. It seems it is not a small bunch of loners.
Wooo! He's baaack!
Yaaaaaaaaaaayy, you are back!
Man oh man, I’ve been waiting all day to see this. Settling in with a drink and a snack to watch the show. Good to see you.
Good to see you again! At least this guy's idea had a bit more substance than most reality-deniers. And you explained it perfectly; there are a variety of strong reasons why we abandoned eternal universes. Although, what's your opinion on Eternal Inflation?
I think it seems plausible, but I won't go as far as to say I believe it.
@@Martymer81 Thanks for responding. Planned experiments include looking for evidence of collisions between our space-time and another on the largest scales, but I can't say as I know what that ought to look like. Still, I like it because it provides a decent explanation for the Fine-tuning Problem, but also annoys god-botherers. It'll be exciting to see if it pans out.
@@synthetic240
I read something about that in between 2013 and 2016 I think. An article said something about the potential collision our universe might have had with another one early in its existence and the potential example given was a section of space somewhere past the region called the great attractor, it's said to look kinda like that one spot in glass where it once connected to the glassblower, due to how the lack of stars and galaxies made it appear like a good spot ,as if a hit had somewhat pushed the space away kinda like a indentation/dent.
It's really interesting and based on the sciences best models of space and it stood out for the fact it lacks any directly obvious reasons for its odd placement of galaxies compared to the rest of the universe which has most galaxies quite clustered all over. 💁♂️
@@guytheincognito4186 I doubt the Great Attractor will turn out to be anything too strange. The only reason we don't know what it is is because the disc of the galaxy is in the way heh.
Part of me is like, "no, it's Bolder's Ring" lol
@@synthetic240 👍
Thanks for the video :)
Wake me up it's christmas! Martymer 81 has made a video!
Nice background
I tried a can of Oort Soup, too spicy.
Come on RUclips. I have the bell icon selected for Martymer81's videos and yet I didn't get a notification whatsoever? Way to drop the ball. This could've ruined my entire life. Thankfully I'm always on the lookout for new Martymer81 videos. 😉
But were hinted about cat’s that talk or bimbos tripping on their high heels ….😊 I almost missed this one too.😮
MARTY! Welcome back, I missed ya buddy!
Good stuff! 👍
i just discovered your channel, and i must say....I LOVE YOUR CONTENT! especially your debunks of Spirit Science! thank you for giving us qualitative work!
For a minute I was worried it was gonna be another skyscholar situation. He thinks the CMBR, as detected by WMAP & Plank at L2 over 1,000,000 km away, is actually microwaves reflected off of EARTH'S OCEANS!! Professor Dave cut him to pieces, but his disciples seem to be all in with his grift, and as such are immune to anything that contradicts their pseudoscientific Alt-CMBR waifu. This is pretty bonkers though! Thanks for covering it! Always a good day when I see that you've uploaded a new debunk!
where they bleep have you been?!
"Hurr durr, what if dark matter is just regular matter all along?" Buddy, scientists tried, desperately, to make that explanation work somehow. This happens so often. People just dismiss a theory that scientists viciously attacked because of how unconventional it was, and eventually had to concede was true.
"No theory needed"
Pretty sure you need one to explain why the universe is full of Oort soup
Adding to the list at 13:20:
4. There is no reason at all for all the bodies in the "Oort soup" all to have the same temperature of 2.7 K, since they are at different places in the galaxy, hence are surrounded by a different number of stars, and hence receive a different amount of (heat) radiation.
5. This does in no way explain specific features of the CMBR like the acoustic peaks.
6. This does in no way explain why the CMBR shows strong correlations with galaxy clusters. (integrated Sachs-Wolfe effect and Sunyaev-Zel'dovich effect)
Hey Marty, have you considered reviewing Graham Hancock's new Netflix series "Ancient Apocalypse"?
Hey Martymer! It’s so nice to see you posting videos again, I’ve been really inspired to go on and produce my own videos talking about pseudoscience. I understand how life can get in the way of producing videos and I’ve even been burnt out in the past. It’s just good to know you’re still up to debunk 😎
Jeez, the 90s called and want their website back. That's AWFUL.
Is this David, the same David who called the Atheist show and claimed, he had postulated his own version of cosmology, he called it "David's cosmology" ??
You can't talk to people who don't understand meanings of basic words, like 'up', 'down' and 'theory'. I am having a dig at the flerfs.
I did read Steven Weinberg’s book about the great work behind COBE. He had to prove his hypothesis with evidence, but also test other conflicting hypothesis and disprove them.
The latter is something no-one in the anti-science or fake science community ever does, but real scientists are more or less obliged to do it.
So if flat-earthers, creationists, mud-floodists and many others started looking at their believes critically …. NO, that would never happen. What was I thinking …. 😮
What always frustrates me about science deniers is that they are so damn smug while they do it. Like, you explain the actual science to them and why they are wrong, and they just go "nah, bro" and laugh at you, like they know better. I don't have a degree in physics, and it frustrates me, so I can't even imagine what it must be like to literally teach it and have a degree in it and have absolute morons that don't understand it going around arrogantly parading their ignorance and just writing off actual science.
What is truly annoying is that intelligence isn't even a real protection from this. I have a lot of friends that are quite intelligent. Some have masters degrees. And yet, when Covid happened, a good portion of them ignored experts, pretended the whole thing was just a flu, refused to get vaxed or wear masks, and listened to podcasters over scientists. It was so enraging and frustrating at the time. What I realized, though, is that intelligence is a tool, and a lot of us believe things not truly out of rationality but rather based on our feelings, and then our brains will construct reasons for those beliefs and be convinced that our feelings are right, ignoring or reinterpreting all evidence to the contrary.
And I'm not saying that from some ivory tower, as though I am better than these folks. The truth is that there are probably some things in my life that I believe that are BS, but I rationalize them. You probably do too. But what those things are differs based on personality. My guess is that people who believe these out there physics theories that aren't backed up by science want them to be true not because they actually think there is hard proof, but rather because it makes them feel like they are smart and have a more accurate understanding of the world. It gives them a sense of validation to be "ahead of the curve" of those scientists and their fancy degrees.
It might also be that the standard big bang theory leaves them feeling uncertain. If the universe is infinitely old and eternal, well, then that means it will go on forever, probably. If it's always existed, then why would it not continue on ad infinitum? But if the big bang is true, then that implies there was a beginning, and if there was a beginning, there is probably going to be an end of some sort. And that reality can make everything we do here, all of our lives, feel meaningless, and really puts into perspective that we ourselves are finite and will die, as, some day, will the universe. Some day, there will be no remnant of humanity, the stars, or anything. That can be a scary thing to accept, soul crushing even. So, they need it to not be true, and in order for that to be the case, they need to attack anything that supports it. The CMB is a pretty big support beam for the theory, so if they could knock that out, they might be able to rationalize away the scary, entropic, dying universe that we live in.
Of course, an infinitely old universe has all those same nihilistic implications on a psychological level. It would imply, for example, that there was a past earth somewhere in that infinite past that had a civilization like ours which has since been forgotten, and in fact there likely have been an infinite number, which means the only unique thing about this one is that we are experiencing it. Even creationists will run into this problem, albeit in a different form: If God snapped this universe into being for his own purposes, how do you know he hasn't done so an infinite number of times before or since? Why assume we're his favorite plaything? Perhaps God created this universe and, like a dad who went to the store for cigarettes twenty years ago, he never came back. Perhaps that's why the world kinda sucks sometimes. But no one, aside from me, is going to consider that, because if you've denied physics to escape from the scary entropic universe, you're probably not going to consider the full implications of infinity because those are as scary, if not scarier.
I think all those covid deniers just really found the restrictions cumbersome and so decided that it can't be true because it was inconvenient. Or maybe it also scared them, reminding them that all it takes is some little microscopic bag of filth or barely alive string of proteins mutating in just the right way to kill loads of people, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to prevent it. All you can do is try to slow its spread and work tirelessly to get a vaccine or treatment that actually stands a chance of saving lives. And no matter how healthy you are, all it takes is the right germ getting in you to undo you from the inside, so you never know when the Grim Reaper is going to show up and say time's up. And that's scary for a lot of people. So it's just a lot easier, psychologically, to believe that all the scientists are lying, and to live accordingly. For many that was a fatal mistake. Luckily it probably isn't with astrophysics. In that case it's just annoying.
But that's all just a . . . . Theory. 😈
Dude. If you were to make a video every time something stupid appeared on the internet, you would have to clone yourself an infinite number of times.
ETA: Ah. Stupid and original.
I miss you, Marty. If you're ever in Arizona, shoot me a message. I'll buy you so much food, beer, and weed.
"Theoretical Research"?
I'm sure someone else has already said this, but it definitely seems like his research is very theoretical, indeed. Now if he could only do some _actual_ research, with _actual_ results... 🤦♂️
I like the fact that you talked about what the word "theory" actually means. It's such a badly misused word and people seem to think it just means "guess."
I LOVE That Vegan Teacher! She is AWESOME!
Great video as always, Martymer! I had a feeling Desertphile was going to make an appearance! It pains me to see people who don't know much or anything about science to babble on as if they do know.
Good to see you again!
space did expand, but the "explosion" part of the big bang is actually *inflation* not *expansion*
Explosion is still TOTALLY wrong
we don't have a very solid model for inflation, or rather, we can't see beyond the CMBR and inflation happened before the CMBR so its hard to tell exactly what happened or even propose experiments that can help elucidate it. That isn't to say that it's impossible though and I'm not a physicist, let alone a professional big bang cosmologist, so there's not a lot I can actually say for certain.
But one thing I can say for certain.
Inflation is Not an Explosion, except in a loose metaphorical sense that a population boom is called an explosion.
The word "explosion" means a rapid expansion. It doesn't always mean a rapid chemical reaction.
We can't see, but we can see the effects. Just like an expert in explosives can tell what a bomb was made of by what remains, we can try and work out what the early universe was like by studying what it produced.
@@PlatinumAltaria _"It doesn't always mean a rapid chemical reaction"_
The first thing I thought to myself was "For example: population explosions." Then it occurred to me that those are also caused by chemical reactions. :)
@@AlbertaGeek yeah. Hence the last sentence I wrote. I'm allowing for the word to have other meanings. But the meaning in physics typically refers to a chemical explosion and to refer to inflation or expansion in the big bang as an "explosion" is only a tool to cause people to misunderstand it. It's equivocation.
People in the modern age can intuitively understand explosions.
They cannot intuitively understand cosmic inflation.
I had geocities website as well :) Still have its backup on my comp :)
Well he was probably closer then most non scientists. The problem is that he tries to teach with a flawed understanding. If I get it wrong, no harm done but if I sread my misconceptions then I do harm. It is like trying to teach math above the level you mastered yourself. It isn't going to work out well.
Come on, we all know the truth, It wasn't this, it wasn't the big bang. the entire Universe was in fact sneezed out of the nose of a being known as the Great Green Arkleseizure.
My cousin (who's an actual physicist) is working on a theory of a cyclical universe, in which each big bang simply expands into the previous universe. It involves all or most matter congealing while the universe itself continues to expand. Basically that dark matter, electromagnetism, quantum theory and gravity are strong enough to negate the dark energy expansion. I'm no physicist, just a sci fi writer, so I think I get the jist of it but there's a reason I write and don't do math...
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RUclips being RUclips
Ohh how I missed your video Marty!!!!
the loyal fans want more, find the stupid!
Always glad to see your video. 😊 Always informative, and entertaining. Hope you and your clan are well and happy.
I thought comets came from the Kuiper Belt, rather than the Oort Cloud.
The world may be going to Hell, but you have brought a little sanity back.
I thought you would be back, the stoopid was calling to you.
I have never consumed oort soup, I wonder what it tastes like?
Help me! My uncle is an amateur astronomer but he believes the Universe has been created in exactly 6 days.
Just about as bad as Wallace Thornhill 😂
I come for the sarcasm and stay for the amazing content.