Was Warlords of Draenor Really That Bad Of An Expansion?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Warlords of Draenor, one of wows most infamous expansions. Whenever something bad happens in World of Warcraft, generally they use warlords draenor as a measuring stick, to say "sure this new features kind of bad, but it's not as bad as this thing from warlords of draenor". And to an extent it deserves some of that criticism, blizzard themselves even apologized for the expansion. But was it really that bad?
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Warlords of dreanor didn't have bad content...
It just had waaaaaaay too little content.
Hard Agree
/caseclosed
Apexis dailies were good in what dimension? literally the exact same quest only in a different zone.
@@Fabriciod_Crv I'd take apexis dailies over a good chunk of the current world quests from shadowlands and bfa especcialy when you get a mob to do the elite apexis zones
@@cyberdoga5728 World quests has variety, Apexis dailies never changed and it was painfully slow, even going back there on a capped character it felt like it took too long, beacuse its just 1% per kill for the most part. The elite wasn't any different, you just needed to group up for it, that was it. Even SL's multi-step world quests feel better to do that AC dailies.
I know this video is an April Fools joke, but seriously? Hard agree here. Loved WoD, wanted to have more of it.
well, that's why people hate wod, we did not get more of it, except raids, leveling and pvp, there was nothing else.
Personally, I'd prefer an expansion around the Caverns of Time, maybe the five dragon aspects become emo and depressed since Cata.
Corrupted by the Infinite Dragon flight, all time ways become under attack.
This would give us an excuse to quest through pre-plague lordaeron. Explore the troll tribes before the Sundering, or just plain level between the 1st and 2nd wars. So much potential.
LUL
Sames....
@@riftbandit223 It's like Cataclysm could have used an extra patch or two. Zandalar and Kul Tiras could have happened, alongside the Abysmal Maw raid that never happened. We could still get another time travel expansion that showcases pre-Sundering Kalimdor, but no clue where the later patches could lead us to tho.
The lvling aspect of it when it launched was amazing, the patches to follow sucked.
You mean the lack of patches LOL
The patches were good, the problem was being served a delicacy after starving for months.
@@arforafro5523 I personally wouldn't call 6.2, the only major patch, all that good. The Raid was excellent - true, but the rest of the patch was a bit of a joke. Tanaan was 7 Apexis Areas that weren't all that enjoyable, as well as a few rares, some godawful reps and a splattering of vignettes. The Shipyard was a complete meme too - just a worse Mission Table. Mythic Dungeons were kind of cool but it didn't really add anything - many people including myself expected new mechanics or maybe even an extra boss, it was just Heroic dungeons from the start of the expansion basically. Timewalking was neat but wasn't expanded upon and was pretty useless until 6.2.3 a good few months later. The bonus events were neat and were a good example of an evergreen system that still is in the game today.
The one issue I had with WoD what that the cut content (Farahlon as a zone and Shattrath as a raid) royally messed with the story as we saw it. We went from picking off Grommash's top underlings (Kargath, Ner'zhul, Blackhand, etc.) to "Oh hey, Grommash is on our side now and we're fighting Gul'dan's forces!" The Shattrath raid could/would have provided some decent context, like maybe we start by fighting the Iron Horde, both us and the Iron Horde realize that the true threat is Gul'dan and the Burning Legion and Grommash & co. help out in the later boss encounters against some demon lords.
WoD had absolutely *fantastic* leveling and raid content, but everything else was pretty weak. Even when they added mythic dungeons, it didn't do much for anyone doing even heroic raids. Also, the fact that every dungeon boss dropped the entire array of items in a particular slot meant that it was *really* hard to grind for specific dungeon items while gearing up (I think I had over 4 dozen runs of heroic Shadowmoon Burial Grounds trying to get a multistrike/crit helm or something on my SV hunter, same with a DPS trinket in UBRS). The daily content also kinda sucked if you weren't specifically looking for the cosmetics. But if every expansion could approach the quality of WoD leveling and raiding while also providing solid daily/weekly content (world questing, mythic keystone dungeons, stuff like that), we'd have an ace expansion. I think Shadowlands could be that (the fact that you can get close to normal raid quality gear from just doing world content is also very nice, while also having some reasons to still pop into LFR [legendary powers, anima] even if you don't actually raid) if the future raids are solid. Castle Nathria is okay; the aesthetics are amazing, but there are just way too many "STOP EVERYTHING FOR A MINUTE!!!" boss encounters (and those are the worst...I don't mind GFTO! mechanics like Sludgefist where you only lose about 5 seconds a minute, but Shriekwing and the Council are just bad, even if DDR on the Council is actually pretty fun). MoP is still my favorite expansion, though.
wod and pandaria are still to this day my all time favorite expansions.
for me is pandaria and legion
I also thought the content for the zones and especially the raids were my all time favorites.
Also it was the first xpac I joined another guild as most of my friends had gone so we couldn't keep our own going any more. Turned out I worked really well with them as a dk tank.
Also to this day I use the special weapon models you get when you completed the time trials for each dungeon. We didn't even have the optimal group but we hammered out gold on all of them.
My dk still carries that 2 handed weapon mace that spins and spits out fire for its model.
I burned out by the end and wish we had another raid tier but my positive memory's far outweigh my negative ones.
I started playing WoW shortly after Hearthstone was released (played a bit in Wrath but I was like 11 and didn't understand anything lol) and I remember WoD coming out and having a lot of fun just leveling different characters, learning the game, and going for different mounts, pets, etc.
Then Blizz releases a store mount a couple months in and I saw the video was entirely full of dislikes and harsh comments, and I was so confused as to why people were hating on it. I didn't even raid! So in a way WoD's goal of getting more players back into the game sorta worked out for me lol.
The real problem I had with WoD was it felt like a huge lost opportunity. This wasn't some world we had no clue about -- this was *Outland*, an undestroyed version of Outland, and so much of what I wanted to see was completely skipped over. Like, what did Netherstorm look like before it was Netherstorm? Could we see the Black Temple before it was corrupted? How about Shattrath in its prime? Wasn't there supposed to be an actual Ogre city somewhere too that never materialised? So much was promised, but so little delivered. I quit WoW for like 3 years, skipped Legion entirely, because of what a disappointment WoD was. I didn't go back until halfway through BfA and it was mostly getting caught up in Legion that got me back into the game.
I wasn't around for WoD, having only started playing WoW a little over a year ago, but WoD is is probably my favorite expansion thus far, with BFA and Legion coming in 2nd and 3rd. But most of that has to do with how amazing their zones are
Yeah, the problem was after you hit max level, and did both of the raids, there really wasn't anything to keep you interested for the next 18 months.
WoD Alpha >>> Legion >>> WoD Live >>> The Twisting Nether >>> Beta for Azeroth >>> Systemlands.
I ignored the first 4 expansions on the list, because they are infinitely superior, even Cataclysm.
id love for you to go over every xpac since bc just doing this style of video explaining all the bads and goods then when ur done doing them all rank them based of the good and bads and if something was bad enough point it out and if it was great enough also point it out
warlods did nothing wrong
The expansion was interesting as it "story" focused in some regards despite the story being fucked up to get going, but I think the worst is the updates and overhaul the Expansion brought that really degraded our gear.
I think the garrison was a good shot at player housing. The mine and herbalism area were cool. It was nice fo have that stuff all together, and good to make some easy gold with the missions. Maybe two things I would've added are a personal bank or small building linking to your regular bank storage, and of course some way to make it relevant through expacs. I remember being disappointed that it was largely worthless come Legion.
Feels good knowing I'm not the only who didn't hate WoD. Sure there was a lot that it didn't do right, but there was so much that it did right which got overshadowed by the flaws.
I liked WoD.
I liked the Garrison (I sorta miss it), and I liked the new additions that Legion built on (and perfected).
I do wholeheartedly agree, that WoD was hampered by development and cut content, but I genuinely liked the expansion.
I liked Legion more, but I do not have bad memories about WoD at all.
I enjoyed WoD massively the first month and was super hyped for it but quit a couple of months after release. For me personally what made me quit wow during WoD and never come back until classic came out was the way they changed gearing. Randomized stats, sockets etc. did not sit well with me at all. For me the fun in wow gearing is setting your sight on a bis list and then try to obtain it, this way I would never feel satisfied with gear pieces.
Garrisons were also a big factor to me quiting, it really made the game feel more like a facebbok game to me, log in to do daily chores in the garrison without seeing another player.
Making enough content to please everyone is challenging. When the goal for a solid portion of content is that everyone can clear it, the folks who aren't challenged by it just consume it on arrival and ask for more. I thought Challenge Modes were a great way to give the dungeon content longevity but so many folks turned their noses up at them cause they didn't make the character stronger. Getting better at the game when WoD had some of the best class design was something to be enjoyed enough on its own.
There's also such a thing as putting the game down. A lot of people just want to live and breathe the game and they'll surely run the well dry long before someone who can't afford as much time to the game.
There's nothing wrong with the playstyles of wanting to grind and make an avatar stronger or play a game at your own pace either. WoW just doesn't offer enough options to let literally every player play at their own pace. I'm definitely in a minority of folks who enjoyed the expansion so chew me out if you want :P I don't mind taking criticism for my opinions.
This is exactly what I have been saying. WoD wasn't that bad. Even though it had little content in it, I still played the game. I stopped playing at the end of BFA because it was just terrible once 8.2 launched. Draenor Perks and the abilities you get for each zone are a lot better than the Azerite system. I was also looking forward to more of Yrel's story.
Shadow priest was glorious during WoD, as was feral druid. But shadow was just pure joy to play in 3's and higher.
I had a good time because of the people I played with. It was enjoyable from day 1 until the end for me, i did everything in draenor that most didnt even attempt:
I liked a lot about WoD. Really enjoyed garrisons and shipyards. Raids were sweet. Last raid I got an AotC in.
Isn't WoD when they also did the huge revamp of "under the hood" improvements to modernize it's antiquated system?
Was better than legion, that's for sure. The problem with WoD was that, they never added any new content to WoD until the last patch. 6.1 added the selfie cam and facebook integration. That's it. 6.2 was technically the one and only patch ever added to WoD that added new stuff to do. That is why people hated it so much. What little content there was in 6.0 was actually good.
I actually liked WoD, it was by far the most alt friendly xpack ever added to wow, I think I had something like 16 lvl 100 toons before 7.0. The GEARING was also the most alt friendly, as each and every one of those 16 toons had at least 700+ ilvl just an hour or so after capping. All you would need to to was spend an hour inside ashran to get enough points to buy a full set of ilvl 700 items and even enough to buy 1 or 2 710 items.
Do to the lack of content, I managed to get roughly 60+% of my achievements/collectables I have on my account during WoD, as I spent most of my time every week farming old content, on my 16+ capped alts. WoD also had very good class design, something that they have only shit on since. With 7.0 fucking up pet AI to be super stupid, making playing any class with pets or guardians a chore. I just popped my fire ele on my sham, but then get stunned, so now for 6sec while I can't do anything, neither can my 5min CD guardian. Not the case pre 7.0. They completely changed Aflic warlock in 7.0, as well. I loved my lock alt so much during WoD I was considering maining him in legion, but they completely removed and destroyed what what it was that I actually liked about the rotation. I also liked ele sham in WoD as well, with that being a high contender for my main pre 7.0, until they fucked that over too.
But the biggest nail in the coffin for me as to why I hated legion right from the start and look back on WoD so fondly, is my main of 7 years, my 2 HAND frost DK, was completely removed from the game and not only that, the whole spec was overhauled like the others. Nothing was the same, only the spell names. Yes, they 'technically' brought it back in Shitlands, but remember how I said they OVERHAULED the whole SPEC? Just because I can WEAR a 2hander doesn't make it what I had mained for 7 long years of my life. I actually just tested this, on retail recently, Festering strike, the filler spell for UH, hits HARDER than obliterate for frost using a 2 hander. Howling blast deals next to NO damage, whole frost fever deals MORE damage than UH's main DoT. This is the complete opposite of how it was pre 7.0. 2hand frost pre 7.0 was all about using obliterate as much as possible because that was your big heavy hitter. Now obliterate is just a filler spell. It's a shadow bolt, it's a fireball. It's how you get to the rest of your rotation, with frost fever being the largest portion of your damage. A dot, in a spec that use to care about big direct damage. This would be like if they made Destro locks the DoT spec and aflic the big heavy hitter.
My DK which I mained for over 7 years has not been my main since 7.1, and I will never forgive them for what they did. WoD was the last time I could say I actually enjoyed playing the game at max lvl and didn't try to just avoid it as much as possible. What little we actually got in WoD was good, and I liked it a lot.
So...I've been out of your channel for a bit until I saw your channel in the comments of Kiara from Hololive EN, I found my way back thanks to the Rabbit hole
lol, thats great
I actually enjoyed playing combar rogue, the ability Burst of speed was so fun
Me, personally, I loved the story. I loved how killed Ner'zhul in a 5 man, it was a nice callback to WOTLK. I also love how Kargath was the first raid boss in the game, it really engaged me as a player to kill him off in an Ogre raid. And the ending, how we rescue Grom and just let him go after his genocidal campaign. Too bad they did best Warchief who did nothing wrong terribly by having Thrall cheat in a duel.
ah my favorite series, the april fools videos that make unironic good points
true
I loved wod
Why is nobody in the comments mentioning the largest and the worst part of WoD - ability pruning? Because everyone here is a PvEer? Ashran, too, albeit smaller. Ability pruning gutted Destruction Warlocks, for example, just listen to Cobrak (my childhood icon).
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@@angamaitesangahyando685 As a casual player WoD was the second best expansion to me, especially I started doing PVP after TBC.
Ability pruning didn't affect my class as much (Plates), not sure about everyone else tho
i really enjoyed the video and went tgrough the whole thing, agreeing with author thinkin he makes solid points and just now noticed it was released on april 1st😭
Something I think you missed is that the lvl 100 talent row added some of the most interesting abilities/passives such as gladiator stance, death from above, Necrotic plague, breath of sindragosa, chi explosion, cascade (this one was lvl 90 but still a cool addition), prismatic crystal, claws of shirvallah, lone wolf, empowered seals and demonbolt among others. You might dont like some of them but they were fresh and impactful by themselves, they really felt like an actual end of leveling reward.
Yeah this is true, I completely forgot to mention that
RIP Claws of Shirvallah, I loved that talent so much 😔
@@hirumaredx Baldmongold saw your video and pointed out something true: the part where you talk about raid boss count, you were wrong. You said it had 27 raid bosses (Cataclysm) but it actually has 31:
Baradin Hold: 3
Blackwing Descent: 6
Bastion of Twilight: 5
Throne of the Four Winds: 2
Firelands: 7
Dragonsoul: 8
31 bosses, not 27
so yes, WoD had the least
But you could say Classic had only 1 difficulty, past that, heroic up to MoP, then all had 3 difficulties... so more bosses technically, as opposed to one boss always the same, like the old times
@@ballsofsalsa01 The thing with Cataclysm and Baradin Hold not being counted was basically because that was Cata's equivalent of world bosses. As Wrath and Cata were the only 2 xpacs that didnt have world bosses, and instead they used VoA and BH as replacements. Wod had 4 World bosses, so it would still even out if you wanted to include world bosses and BH.
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@@hirumaredx True but, it's still a raid. You mentioned "raid bosses" and those still count as such. I get your idea, as if you had to include those, then you'd need to count all other world bosses like Oondasta, Azuregos or Kazzak, but those can be seen as rare elite mobs as well, not instance bosses, while BH was indeed, a raid/instance.
Like you said in a previous video, when making a guide, just a simple mistake can invalid the whole video, and finding this "mistake" made people go "oh so it's April Fool's and this bit of information is wrong, therefore everything else is also wrong,misleading or lying to prove a fake point"
you could have use the * you do for many videos, the classic...
*except for X thing
*only in Y
*counting Z
to make it clearer for viewers
I actually had a lot of fond memories with WoD. Most likely because raid encounters were actually top notch.
I’m sure the raids weren’t bad. But it’s when they started moving wow towards a mobile game
PvP was also decent in WoD. I also believe WoD was the most alt friendly expansion ever. The gearing was absolutely amazing.
Facts my friends, wod was the tragedy where we had peak raid and class design with an okay pvp and amazing gladiator arena every man for himself mode and no content where we could use those classes outside of this one raid a week fun
@@supercal3944 WoD had the best pvp gearing system we had with the scaling up in pvp
Same. WoD had many flaws but raiding, PvP and class design was one of the best ever (in my opinion).
Honestly the leveling process in WoD was some of the best i've seen. The zones were actually fun, the unique zone abilities added interesting functions to them, and it didn't take so long that it dragged on forever.
Can’t wait for the eventual Reddit posts “Unpopular opinion but..... WoD was a good expansion”.
lmao
At this point you dont ecen need to write your opinion, just share this video.
Someone on the forums asked when a wod classic server was coming lol. Like that would be cool to play with all the stuff that was actually going to happen in wod. All the cut content added back in, for the fungal whale mount boss thing, for example. The class accesories concept. All the scrapped zones. Nerfing the garrisons and the gold inflation nonsense. That would be worth playing. Adding in all the scrapped raids and cities.
Enhanced mind flay is just a t10 shadow priest bonus from wotlk re made lmao @@hirumaredx
It was half of a good expansion. What we got was great but half of it was missing.
"It was one raid tier away from being one of the best" - Oof! Great finishing line! R.I.P Shattrath raid! :(
moreso it just needed Mythic+ and less of its core progression being tied to the garrison. Its still without question a better expansion then Legion, BFA, or SL though because its only mistakes are being rushed to the point that Talador had to be axed which hopefully we get to experience when WoD classic rolls around, and the shear in a boxness of the garrison to the point that anyone that wasnt an alchemist never had to actually leave the garrison for crafting except to get felblood
@@F14thunderhawk Faralon abandoned.
Garrson placement scrapped.
Garrison customisation abandoned.
Apexis Crystal grinding.
Faction cities abandoned.
Blizzard cut more content from WoD than any other expansion and it was obvious to anyone who played it. It was also when Blizzard stopped giving a crap about player reported bugs.
Go to Karabor harbour and listen to the sound of combat that they never bothered to remove from the battle that ended when you completed the Shadowmoon Valley quest chain. Nothing says immersion like the sound of a battle playing all around you that obviously isn't happening.
That Ganar Cutscene was fucking insane i love it everytime again
I thought the same. I was looking forward to seeing more storytelling for Durotan and Yrel.
THE APRIL FOOLS JOKE IS THAT ITS A SERIOUS VIDEO
The joke is that there's no joke. :P
Rest in peace, Ray D. Tear
Idk if this was a joke or not, but I agree with this seriously. I remember at the time being less into it because MoP had thematically (in terms of visuals and more importantly what it made me think about and feel) been perfect to me as it had really come at a tough time in my life and had quite a bit of inspiration. But in hindsight, it's a favorite of mine.
This is not a joke read the description
The cut shattrath raid really rubbed me the wrong way.
WoD had some of the best lvling and zones ever. They were so pretty.
The leveling and zones were flawless. Great zones and superb cinematics.
Blackrock foundry is still my favorite raid ever in the game.
Once you got the heroic gear though you didn't have anything to do.
Personally I unironically enjoyed most of the expansion, but the fact I like to explore and level slowly might be coloring my perceptions differently than people focused on post-100 content.
Agreed, I love to explore and play with alts, so I was usually pretty busy
I mean, slow leveling and exploration is how MMOs are *meant* to be played.
I kinda Agree with you, WoD is one of my favorite expansions, Although i didn't raid much in black rock, i still find exploration and questing to be even more awesome, and i felt i had so much to do while being free of "mandatory things" in quests and reputation.
Its also the expansion that made me have another main character for someone who only mains one class this was huge to me ^-^
Nope, I'm with you, WoD had the best content WoW ever had, it just had too little of it.
I remember I was on acid during the twin orgron fight in Highmaul and thought the fire was gonna kill me in real life. Good times.
@Top GIFs With Sound it is :D without weed I wouldn’t be here today
@Top GIFs With Sound as long as its only weed, shrooms or lsd you are good. Those have no negative side effects for them, they actually have benefits
@@everychannel1025 Cid Barret would like a word with you. Well i mean he might i don't know, he's lost his mind from lsd.
@@everychannel1025 they have ketamine clinics now for treating depression. few drugs are absolutely good or bad, just varying degrees of dangerous
playing wow on acid sounds excruciating
The art design, specifically pulling strongly from early eighties fantasy movies with low to mid range budgets, is so goddamned incredible. The emphasis on brass horns in all the soundtrack, the eerie familiarity of the former TBC locations that are altogether completely unique, goddamn it feels exactly like Conan the Barbarian and Beastmaster. There just wasn’t enough of it.
My main criticism of the video is Hiru's points regarding endgame content/dailies. There was rather little in the way of dailies, the one from your map, the variable one that was sometimes professions, pet dailies, and later the small handful in Tanaan. There were Rares that were killable daily and helped with the repgrind, but that's what it was, a repGRIND. Endlessly killing Skettis mobs was an intense pain. It really felt like an afterthought Granted, I'm someone who LIKED those dailies in MoP and didn't complain at all about them. I've got insane, so I'm not allergic to grinds, but having every rep tied to grinding them out was unpalatable. Furthermore, while those raids and dungeons were among the best WoW has ever had, I think alternate gearing systems (Like the Anima, world quests, or PVP of Shadowlands) would have incentivized people to prepare and engage in that content.
Also, while you lauded the initial upsurge in launch playerbase, I think it's a bit remiss to mention JUST how baaaaaaaaad that launch was functionally. Who else remembers the stupid spyglass?
@@MythrilShotgunthe only time I liked dailies was literally isle of quel’thas. Also, ALL endgames are nothing but repgrinds from Vanilla to today.
Yes
Best menu theme
eerie? bro its the same fcking continent wtf r u talking about
I love the fact that the mage bar is just all one spell.
there was a time during WoD when that was the entire Arcane Mage rotation. It was literally 1 whole button. I knew there was Action Bar Bloat, but damn!
@@AlmightStick Damn, I haven't played Arcane in WoD, was it that bad? On the other hand Warriors, Shamans, Rogues, Paladins and Monks were amazing. I mean literally in shadowlands reverted a lot of the specs to resemble WoD class design(and some resemble Cata class design) and people love them now.
@@badass6300 Bad in a way because the complexity was non existent, But it did bring BIG numbers.
@@AlmightStick Yeah absolutely. One spell rotation is vanilla/classic WoW bad.
What caused that?
A meme back from Cata. Stuck with the poor poor spec to this day.
Warlords of Draenor had some of the best zones in the entire game's history. The location were detailed but still expansive, meaning you could travel without being attacked every five seconds (hello Legion), and the questlines were great.
The problem was... everything else. Once you hit max level, there was just nothing to do. And they gave up on the expansion practically as soon as it began.
Exactly what happened to me
I basically started playing consistently last year, but I've read most of the WoW books before... for what i saw, the issue of wod is how the expansion lore fit in the wow lore. It's easy to understand that the intention was to experience the rise of the horde story, but tho fit in a different time it was just too random... would have fit better a pretext like the one at the start of war of the ancients books, where you go to investigate something (maybe with khadgar) and you suddenly go back in time, and you have to survive and make the story go like it went in your reality. In that case it would have explained why thrall didn't even say hi to his parents, or at least be moved seing them alive.
I disagree. All I did at max level was PvP in Ashran, which was SUPER fun.
Wrong, the zones were utter shit
WoD’s extremely impressive zones and stories has a lot to do with the flight restriction experiment, it’s really a shame that so much content was cut or abandoned.
The dungeons and raids were top tier, and leveling was top tier. The Garrison was poorly implemented and the content dearth dragged on way too long. The lack of content was so bad it unfortunately drags it into the personal worst xpac I ever played. I didn’t play BFA* took a break after going hard in legion.
Black Rock Foundry is one of the BEST raids of the entire game!
Hey I even got the mythic mount from my aotc clear back then.
@@R0m0n3 you mean Cutting Edge? I don't remember a AoTC mount.
@@brugalter94 no it just means that he got mount from the mythic probably.
and BRF Mythic set is the most uniqe for every class in the game, most of them have special idle animation tho, no gear have the same special animation since then. Same with WoD pvp season 1 Elite sets
So are Highmaul and Hellfire Citadel.
I personally really liked the aesthetics of "industrialized Horde". Really, I am so tired of the fact that basically all fantasy must be aither medieval or in space. Why can't we have industrial fantasy?! 19th century aesthetics is so cool, and has so much potential for an interesting stories!
I mean. modern period fantasy isnt particularly rare. Warhammer is basically renaissance period. We have the entire steampunk genre, which is commonly interspersed with fantasy as well. Adventurequest and other settings have the whole 'magitech' thing going on. Lots of fantasy settings have modernist technology, though most of the time they still have swords and plate armor anyways. but to be fair, the 18th century also had swords and plate armor, so thats hardly a disqualifier.
Because this is classic fantasy, not steampunk.
Also space isn't fantasy, it's science fiction.
@@86Corvus Tell that to the Draenei.
@@86Corvus Classic Fantasy? Gnomish Gyrocoptors and the Steam Tanks turned Siege Tanks would like a word from WarCraft 3. So would the Horde's advancement from basic catapolts to slingshot ones. Also, Gnomergan called, same with the goblins and their forest slaying shredders.
WarCraft was a 'classic' fantasy game for one installment. What you have is wishful thinking.
I’ll be honest. I had more fun during WOD then BFA.
No shit
One of my most favorite expansions was WOD
ill be honest too, i had more fun in bfa than in any other expansion
Our annual fix of Hiru’s april fools day
Jesus man.. I remember I was jogging in my yard last year when I was listening to "Arthas did nothing wrong". It was during quarantine times. I can't believe it's been 365 days since then.
@@WeedStriker I’m sad to inform you that it is😂
I must be one of the few who really liked the garrison. The sailing missions from the garrisons were a miss for me. I also loved the quest line at the beginning when first entering the dark portal and fighting your way out of Tanaan Jungle. I thought of it as a fun way to introduce the expansion. It would have been great to be given more options with the garrison, and as an introvert, I had no problems with staying out of capital cities.
I'll be back here next year to see hiru praising for BFA being actually good
Can get why WoD, but you're crossing the line
@Randall Kildare That, and the schizophrenic nature of the storyline. Blizzard took out their lore books, squatted over them, and took a huge steaming dump on them. Then kicked them all over the place, rubbed their crap-covered hands all over the walls like some kind of psychotic finger painting, and then showed it off proudly.
@Randall Kildare Not a lot of people, if my friend list on Discord is anything to go by. Mainly playing on RP realms, RPers generally hated BfA because of the schizophrenic, fractured narrative, and Shadowlands is generally horrible. BfA generally was more alt friendlier than Shadowlands has felt so far, and the content didn't feel so mind-numbingly boring. BfA at least had two separate stories for the factions to play through as you leveled, but the Covenant system in Shadowlands doesn't allow that. The fact that Threads of Fate allows you to choose a Covenant but not progress its story seems a shatteringly stupid decision on Blizzard's part. That leaves the entire leveling experience in Shadowlands to either a single storyline that you have to play through with every single character, or simply grinding out dungeons, world quests, and bonus objectives. Basically the same thing from every past expansion, just now 'official'. Not very innovative.
@Randall Kildare WoW's "official" lore ended in WoTLK, after that it's just been a chain of improvised fanfictions
@@kou7191 TBC itself was a improvised fanfaction as well.
This is my opinion of WoD but unironically, It is a shame it gets the rep as the worst expansion to this day when BfA and current exists. I'd take another 2 years of WoD over the 2 newest expansions any day.
At least in wod I could actually play the game the way I wanted to. Not pigeon holed down the same route and forced mandatory quest lines. At least PvP gear was viable and not impossible to get. Miss wod pvp so bad.
@@ProjectpvpProduction I got an mmo hot take, I actually liked having a tangeable end to player progression and the ability pruning so that my keyboard isn't clogged up with so many buttons for everything I need to raid and pvp
What we got was decent.
Can't wait for the "Was SL a bad xpac" 2 years from now.
If it's the current expansion, it's the worst expansion ever.
i've unironically seen people say stuff about how bfa was better now
like i enjoyed bfa but nah i like shadowlands more and also shadowlands still isnt finished
Have a semi famous troller on one of my servers acting pissed when his level got dropped back to 60
So far Shadowlands is an amazing expansion, the only problem is, it's having the same problem as WoD, content draught and lack of new content.
@@badass6300 true it is getting kinda boring with the content drought but at least there will be new content
idk why stuff is taking so long but im just gonna guess and say it would have been faster if it weren't for the whole global pandemic
Its crazy that after playing BFA and SL I actually start to miss WoD
WoD is when I first started caring about the game, got my first Max level character, and really started being a part of the community.
My favorite dungeons are in WoD, and it has some of my favorite zones.
you know it's bad when you daydream of playing warlords of dreanor
I'd happily raid foundry or citadel as current content over nathria, they were a lot more interesting.
Well id play WoD any day over legion, bfa or shadowlands.
ateast i actulyl coul enjoy my class.
I loved ashran and pvp all day, exploring the beautiful zones, multistrike, and of course getting new friends and just playing for no reason. I guess its all about perspective, for me, i had a lot of fun
Classic Ashran was really cool, it felt like a dance of some sort with teams having to drop off combat to do different objectives and come back to push later.
I never really played WoW but to me the whole thing seems like WoD would have been a perfect expansion for casual (normal) players. Unfortunately by that time WoW cultivated an audience full of sweat lords who would spend 5 hours daily playing the game.
Ahhh, WoD. The expansion that copuldve been. What was there was generally fantastic. Im still salty though about the Horde/Alliance Player hubs. Bladespire Citadel in Frostfire Ridge wouldve been such a cool base. And The Alliance diodnt even get to go into Karabor. So much cut content that we lost
Loved WoD, from the cinematic giving me chills every time I watch to the epic Iron Horde soundtrack, the fun moments are easier to remember than the low points
“LOK’TAAAAAAR!”
Still the one cinematic that got me. That is a real Orc.
RIP Ga'nar, one of the best questlines in wow to date
wod was my 2nd favorite xpac after mop, 400+ days played on hunter priest, realy loved it
"WoD is the only expansion to have full cinematics for every zone" - Not for Gorgrond or Spires of Arak.
Black rock foundry is my favorite raid it s just so unique
"The content drought of WoD, the worst content drought in the game's history" *laughs in Shadowlands*
They’re both pretty similar, 6.1 was literally 0.5 patch
@@Fabriciod_Crv yeah i remember people at the time we like oh 6.1 brings the black rock raid. When in fact that raid was part of 6.0 and was released with the updated bloodelf models and selfie camera round about 6.1
@@Fabriciod_Crv but here is the thing: Most expansions have a huge content drought _at the end_ of the expansion's run. SL is the only expansion that _started_ with a big content drought.
@@thenerdbeast7375 the time between WoD’s launch and it’s first (and only) major patch was 7 months.
In WoD, besides raids, doing Undone quest were the end game... now you have a variety things to do that would have been considered top north in thst time.
I really think you downplayed the lack of world content in this expansion. Not everybody likes to do group content and players had no real incentive to do the dailies that were available.
So that led to an absolutely abysmal content drought for those people until Tanaan Jungle finally got released. I was so bored that I actually used that time to grind out "the Insane" title. It was THAT BAD!
Oof.
I know its april first, but most of Hiru's April Fools videos have some truth to them, even if they are jokes, WoD wasnt as bad as it was painted to be, people just had too much hype and expectations.
I played wod totally solo and the leveling kept me completely engaged the whole time
Likewise.
It wasn't a bad expansion not by a long fucking shot, the biggest problem was that.. there was not ENOUGH content. The content we had was good but not enough, with all the resources, the money the fanbase.. everything and all they came up was that pile of dogshit.
WoD really was an expansion that could of been.
This is why I'm subscribed to you. Excellent explanation that goes deep into the problem itself.
I didn't play WoD except after it to level through, bit this gives so much insight into what happened.
I thought this was another April Fools joke I'm so glad it's sincere
Well except the last part where he just brush off a missing raid tier like it's a small thing. It could very well be the biggest reason why people are continuing their subscription. It's sincere in a way but it still has April fools joke here and there.
I really enjoyed WoD. I loved all the secrets they had sprinkled across the maps. They contained fun and useful things, and pets. Not just order halls resources, azerite, artifact power and what not.
I remember the saying, "Warlords was bad, but the raiding was good".
Also the shipyard sucked.
Everyone knows WoD was the best expansion, why you gotta make a video on something everyone knows?
true true
I know it's april fools but I actually liked this expansion. It was much better than BFA was.
And in terms of pvp better then Sl!
and here we go the flat circle of time continues see y'all in a few years when y'all talk about how much you loved bfa
@@Necrodoge i dont think so bcs i quit in Bfa but didnt quit durinh WoD. But tbh much more friends were playing back then.
I actually liked WoD a lot. but thats most likly cause i loved the garrisson, followers, navy, and all that came with it. but then i am a old school RTS player.
Yeah brf is one of the best most inventive raids ever
Awesome raids, pretty awesome zones, was a bit glitched up at launch, but honestly, compared to SL and BFA this was a better time for WoW, its a shame they kind of gave up half way through.
I only played BFA and now Shadowlands as current content, WOD has always felt like the ghost of the past, never to be mentioned. But everytime I go to Draenor I have such a joyous time, it was the only Pathfinder I didn't mind grinding because I enjoyed the continent and zones so much.
WOD really is only hated because of a lack of content. It’s pretty widely agreed that the content that actually made it into the game was very good overall (minus garrisons). That’s probably the reason you enjoy draenor so much. The content really was great.....there just wasn’t much of it.
that is just to show how much of sheeps people are. I loved WoD. It was my favorite expansion of all times. Was is perfect? No. But i think most of the criticism behind it was 80% generated by big streamers and youtubers and it was not the real general feel of the player base.
Im a PvPer so it comes without saying that i loved the expansion because of its simplistic and strait forward gearing system. You could just max level and queue BG and arenas with the addition of being able to get gear through Ashran.
Ashran was one of the things in which i think got most of its hate through sheer content creator influence and toxic memes.
Ashran imo was actually great and genuinely fun. But as soon as 1 streamer called it Trashran, everyone else was also doing.
You hear a lot of people saying that WoD as bad but 99% of the time this criticism doesnt come in conjunction with reasons.
I would 100% rather have a simple expansion with little, but good content, than having a convoluted mess that was BfA.
I will admit I've been very down on WoD but I suppose I tend to forget all the good times and fun that I did have during the expansion
While Thrall totally cheated during the Mok'Gorah vs Garrosh that was a REALLY cool cinematic at the time.
I remember having so much fun with the Artillery Strike ability in Talador.
I know it's kinda controversial now but I really liked Yrel through WoD, I am sad that they didn't end up making the Auchindoun raid that had the mid point of her story. And after seeing how she changed in the Mag'har recruitment quest I hope we see her again in the future.
The request stop flight button has saved me so much time.
The new character models are so nice that people even want to see them added to #NoChanges classic wow AND #SomeChanges TBC Classic.
Having an abomination as the pet for the Unholy DK was really cool too, I remember when progressing in HFC we would joke about our DK's abom name and how "now that he's here we got this, our boy Gorechop is gonna carry us."
The biggest thing I had an issue with garrisons was that I wish you could've built in different styles, I really wanted my garrison to have blood elf architecture.
Man I miss the WoD soundtrack though. Don't think they've ever had that level of epicness since really. Shame.
I started playing during WoD, which is probably why I enjoyed it lmao
Wod was a memorable experience for me, the zones, ost and new models where awesome
Was anyone else waiting for the "APRIL FOOLS" at the end?
I achelly hoped this wasn't an April fools
No.
FINALLY! Finally someone else agrees that my favorite expansion was at least decent. It was by far the expansion that gave me the most fun. People are just overly dramatic and love "being cool" by joining the wod hating bandwagon.
the class design was also at its peak, notably blood dks having BoS which made tanking pretty damn fun
what's BoS i remember little of blood back then
@@MrMrdhmhtrhs7 breath of sindragosa, which currently exists only for frost DKs (lorewise it fits frost only, i'd say, but it was a nice build option for blood tanking)
The problem with WOD was not the content, it was the lack of it. I don't recall that much criticism of anything that actually materialized.
For me wod was the epitomy of class design/fantasy, pvp-wise. I also rly enjoyed the garrison. I stopped playing wow after what they did to my beloved DK in the following xpansion...
I liked Draenor, especially compared to the expansion that came after it. I disliked the ones after way more, I found Draenor having a better story and all. Sure BfA added new races, but everything after Draenor was timegated bullshit.
WoD was actually the last expansion that somehow kept my attention the entire expansion, altho most of the drought I spent in old content, and it gave me genuinely good memories that I really haven't had with Legion, BfA and even SL so far. WoD >>>> BfA also
I joined WOW during WOD so it has a special place in my heart. :)
The content drop most complain about is that the story from Blackrock to hellfire was a hugh gap with entire story lines clipped. Exampel Hellscream went from baddie to goodie in a snap
I loved 6.1 Windwalker Monk in WoD. The best the spec has been in pvp and arena for sure.
I disagree with this video so much. I played every expansion including Vanilla, raiding, dungeons, PVP. WoD was the first expansion I unsubbed. The garrison felt like a huge chore, the dungeons were too easy, and High Maul was a pretty bleach raid after raiding Seige of Orcismear for nearly a year. The insult to injury is they added such little content apart from raiding, and the content they added was terrible. The shipyards was a huge misstep and you didn’t even mention that! Having your boat that took some effort to make get destroyed if the mission failed was infuriating (they did patch this so it was more forgiving). Most of the rep was beyond grindy and I have all my vanilla reps at exalted. Tanaan jungle, which you didn’t mention again, was one of the worst new zones for any patch in the game and we had to do it to get flying for the expansion! You also didn’t mention major lore/story arcs were completely canned/dropped because Blizzard decided to abort the expansion. You also forgot about the excessively grindy legendary ring chores that were way worse than MoP legendary cloak chores.
I agree with everything you said except the ring. I don't remember the ring being more than, play the game, and do a couple special quests, to keep updated, much like the cloak.
This was the last expac me and my dad played together, it holds a special place in my heart.
Hiru, you don't seem to understand April Fool's Day
You're supposed to make a joke today, not make a video of facts!
Gladiator protection warrior was amazing and when they killed it I abandoned the class out of disappointment.
Elitists: You know, we are very hard core players, who enjoy only the hardest difficulty.
Also Elitists: **downloads every single addon available, telling them where exactly to click at what given time**
Not sure if april fools (as i never played that expansion), but so far very interestong video. Nice 👍
He does videos like these on every April fools,And i always agree that the joke is actually a fact
His April Fools videos are always kinda semi-serious. He voices controversial opinions that can be either dismissed as jokes or accepted earnestly
Hiru's April Fools videos are always in the vein of focusing on the actual positive aspects of the topic, while withholding or rephrasing the negatives to make the topic seem better. That's why I find these fun.
Description sais its not april fools
@@xpuc70 and you believe it? Hiru said on twitter that this is his favourite april fools video yet
Im not saying WoD was particularly good, but the overrated hatered through memes, hivemind mentality and hate-trains was uncalled for. I had quite a good time. I had no idea people actually hated it for like a year of playing WoD.