Top 10 Hardest Raid Bosses of All Time in World of Warcraft [Reforged]
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- In this video I'll go over the hardest raid bosses in the history of warcraft, based on a lot of different factors that I'll be explaining within each segment of this video.
-The List-
Intro: (0:00)
10-Fallen Avatar, Tomb of Sargeras - (453 wipes before World First (Method)): (0:11)
9- Blackhand (WoD) (325 wipes before World First (Method): (4:07)
8- WoD Archimonde (472 wipes before World First (Method)): (7:04)
7-Firelands Ragnaros (500+ (Paragon): (10:32)
6- Uu'nat, BfA- (731 wipes before World First (Pieces)): (13:23)
5- The Lich King, Wotlk (170+ (Paragon) (limited attempts, 5% buff)): (17:26)
4- Legion Kil'Jaeden (654 wipes before World First (Method): (21:31)
3- Alone in the Dark (Yogg-Saron) Wotlk (500+ estimated (Stars) World First): (28:43)
2- C'thun, Vanilla WoW (Killed 86 days after it was available): (36:05)
1- M'uru, TBC (Only 5 guilds killed it pre-nerf): (41:33)
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Got this in my recommended, never played Warcraft and I have absolutely no clue what half of what you’re talking about means but still watched the whole thing lmao
have you started playing wow since then?
@MrSpiceBoi I am also curious. Did you start playing?
That means you have a life!
Are you addicted to RUclips and his voice?
Have you tried it yet? Go for WoW Classic! :)
Jesus man, that's such a great video. You are successfully fighting the stereotype of "top 10" videos being low effort. The amount of research here is insane. Great Job.
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@@wangchung5063 Pretty sure I've heard him mention in another video that he started in WotLK.
It was actually over kill. I didn’t ask for all a raid boss guide.
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Please refrain from using Lord’s Name in vain.
The best players in the entire world: We have proven this is impossible to do.
Blizzard: Git gud, scrubs.
people still believe the mathematically impossible crap after wow classic lol ?
Even the best players of 2005/2006 were noobs compared to your average raider of today, so they were kind of right
@@Sprachitektur wow classic uses the endgame patch, so the boss was already nerfed to shit lol
@roororoo Just compare how fast raids were cleared back in the day and today, between the best players of then vs now it's even more clear
Blizzard: try it with our GM gear
What a trip down memory lane, and the pleasing feeling to see M'uru at the top. Had the privilege to raid Vanilla to LK with in un-nerfed state competing for top 20 kills, being part of those 0.23% and early Yogg-0's. Just an amazingly hard fight which we only got right after the first pushback nerf.
One of the things you never mentioned about the M'uru fight is how incredibly hard this fight was for the two add-tanks. This was pre-aoe tanking so the adds running in at a very high speed and quite twitchy to move around, had to be nailed hard and swift - so perfect threat execution on two targets at the same time, because cleave damage was the only way to get them down fast enough. Very hard compared to after tanking changed to simplify aoe.
AoE tanking was from a different design perspective at that point, specific classes were given specific roles, my guild had a Protection Paladin for M'uru (I also respecced Protection when needed) which were considered the "AoE tanks" of the time. The previous raid of Mount Hyjaal required a protection paladin to deal with the adds that came with the multiple waves because only protection could hold multiple targets.
"One of the things you never mentioned about the M'uru fight is how incredibly hard this fight was for the two add-tanks."
Thank you so much for saying this. I was our feral offtank for the back-hallway and I was SOOO proud of how well I handled those adds while our DPS was going 100% all in on basically all three of them at the same time. I told our top dps'ers to go 100% and I don't care which ones you hit and I guaranteed they would not pull on any of the 3 no matter how hard they tried... and let me tell you, it took all of my focus and abilities to manage threat on all three of them. No one ever pulled on me.
My plan was basically to develop primary threat on one of the 3 while generating cleave-threat on the other two. I would just assume I would lose aggro on one of my secondary targets and I would plan it out that way. I'd wait for someone to pull aggro on a secondary target and immediately taunt and follow that up with maul/mangle. And then i would go back to ignoring that one that just pulled (and just cleaved it with swipes), where i would finally focus on the 3rd mob that I basically ignored the whole time until then. It was such a delicate balance but it truly pushed me to my limits. It was moments like this that made the entire game worth it for me. I'll remember that for the rest of my life.
I'm amazed you kept my attention for 50 minutes with this, it really did not feel like 50 minutes to me !
I just realized this video is 50 mins long after I finished the video and looked at your comment....
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@@stevenchenzhanhua yup me too, time really flies with good content
Steven Chen Same!
@@celmestra8713 im amazed he got me subscribed and i quit WoW 5 years ago lol
Didn't even realize this video was 50 min until it was over. Your best video by far.
I cannot believe the amount of information you have on every encounter. Hell of a research
considering the amount of broken souls world of warcraft creates every raid tier. this is just a sample
The ending of this video is great, it ends on such a humble note and gave me goosebumps. I’ve been slowly burning through your content and look forward to when I can chill and watch you analyse wow. 😊 thank you for all the hard work you put in for this channel.
14:03 Star Augur is laughing at us.
Imagine being a literal old god, one of the most powerful and malicious beings in existence, and not being more difficult to kill than some floating crystals
The Naaru and Old Gods are mapped out as the same tier as power, just on the opposite sides of the coin. So it's not too rough.
I mean you can make that argument for 90% of wow. A fel orc in Outland is weaker gameplay wise then a crab on Zandalar.
well an MMORPG Lore and Ingame are 2 different things. Not everything that comes up in Lore has to be the same for the game. Its the same nonsense that we are the heroes all the time.. even if it should be over, after the first death of our characters
Dude, a mob in current content is stronger than a raid boss from 2-3 expansions back. And there was also the mythic dungeon mechanic that stacked a health/damage buff on surviving mobs, allowing you to make an impossible to kill snail with billions of hp.
You never actually kill them truly and you fight them while they are still chained.
Right now however....it's a different situation with Azshara releasing N'zoth.
Thank you for this awesome upload! The elaborate explanation of Archimonde's mechanics made me realize why so many raiders were tired of soaking mechanics during that time!
Holy hell...imagine wiping to the same boss 500+ times.
I get to 50 wipes and I'm like "WTF?!"
That's some real dedication, right there.
i get to like 3 and leave raidfinder
imo dieing hundreds of times to a boss was not as annoying and demoralizing as having every wipe take basically 20min in between pulls to run back to your body/zone, buff up, readycheck, mana up, etc only to get to that attempts cap blizz use to have from some of the last bosses in vanilla (Rag, Cthun) that would reset once a week; not to mention having the instance you got for that week was strictly the one you had for that week, you couldnt join another lockout until reset unless you paid to server xfer and even then.
You should definitely keep it up with the reforged content. The work you put into them is so worth it.
Hiru, this was insanely well made. It's got all the information that videos like this normally don't have, and you explain everything perfectly.
The thing that made Lich King so difficult for top guilds, was that you had to have 5 paladins and 2 disc priests in a 25 man raid to pair up aura mastery with shields for infest. Disc priests alone were not enough to fully absorb the infest without the aura mastery until the 25% buff came from the 5th month of the boss.
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You say that but it will die the first day it's available with like 4 healers in the raid on wotlk classic. People were just bad back then, myself included, end of story.
@@Neurotik51 well yes and no. You forget a very very big part of the story: classic players have experience and knowledge about the full fight with the perfect roster comps.
You didnt have either of these back in 2010, you needed to figure it out yourself with a very limited time (since you were raid locked if u tried too many time).
I can roll up to an LOD raid rn and i know there will be 1 or 2 hpala and 1 disco and probably a pala and bear tank cuz thats just the easiest to do with. But back then trying to figure out all of this WHILE LK wasnt nerfed? Not a chance you could do that.
@@Neurotik51 you mean the ppl, who downed Yog 0 were bad? Let me remind you, Blizz doesnt know the exact value, of like anything, cause they didnt make backup (or they got lost who knows). Also, Blizz stated, classic is not vanilla, as you could have seen, ppl didnt really struggel with C'thun, cause they implemented the bug fixed, tuned fight outside of you know, no armor, dmg reduction, dmg done, etc values, and they probably dont want to over tune or have better testing teams, so they are more likely the undertune fights, compared to vanilla. You can say, the C'thun couldnt be beaten, cause they were bad, but LK was several years later, with players actually having experience, alt running, gear funneling etc.
Not true, me and a buddy were the 2 disc priests, and we could shield the whole raid before infest struck, and it got soaked completely.
Only when a disc priest got picked up by valkyr, it would be a possible wipe. We were guild 257 in the world that killed him on 25hc. And were realm first.. and realm second on 10hc, were we only had 2 healers, me as disc and a druid. Yes it was really hard, but doable.
"One quick video before I go sleep", I said.
I couldn't skip a single second of this perfectly put together video. I loved all the details about the specific mechanics. You are very knowledgeable. And even the music is well selected and spot on.
Thanks Hiru! I thought I was gonna watch this in intervals but I was enthralled the entire time! Fun and enjoyable watch!
YES INDEED and i really mean indeed because Heru making this video introduced me to things about these bosses I diden't know at first!!!😀😄👏👏👏
I was a mage in a top guild during TBC and i had completly forgotten about the fact that everyone in the guild did indeed pick up leatherworking in order to use those drums. The prenerf Muru fight was just crazy. The mages had to mark and cc the humanoids spawning from the two opposite sides of the room perfectly while also counterspelling the casters. The tank would die due to the high amount of damage if he took more than 1 on at a time and if the caster adds werent counterspelled in time they would be in a bad location where melee dps wouldnt reach them fast enough and you would wipe because you would get overrun by adds because they spawned so frequently. Muru also spawned 1 big void walker which needed to be tanked and when it died it spawned a bunch of small adds that needed to be aoed quickly, our guild used warlocks that spammed some seed aoe ability, the name i cant remember. AND you needed to do dmg to Muru himself aswell and you needed to get a perfect transition into the dps race phase without any adds alive. And in addition to that the damage and healing required through the fight was crazy. The adds spawned so fast and had so much hp you had little time to dps Muru and Muru did high continuous dmg to the raid too, it was so much dmg and healing required that sometimes youd just wipe randomly because someone died or someone fucked up a crowd control or people focused too much on damaging muru so you got overrun by ads and sometimes people didnt damage Muru enough so the fight just lasted forever until someone inevitably died.
The dps phase while very hard was extremely simple and straightforward. He just did so much raid dmg and had so much hp you basically needed a perfect transition with no adds up and people in good locations with everyone alive and every important cooldown ready.
I also saw another comment about the bad fps in the fight and i can confirm i remember lowering my graphics settings myself aswell. The chain lightning in particular and everything else during the fight just killed your fps.
I remember only bringing one mage to the fight, cause mages were really bad in sunwell. and bringing a prot paladin to tank the void spawns made the fight a lot easier.
So in a nutshell, a fight with joke mechanics but overtuned hp and dmg. Well, if you overtune the hp and dmg on any boss in the game it becomes challenging, but in an artificial way, and Blizzard understood that. That's why I think later they amended that by brainstorming all kinds of mechanics for the bosses in later expansions.
@@vhyles Keep in mind we had very few addons to help us with the fight back then. We had a threat meter and i think we manually set up timers for when mobs would spawn. That was about it.
I'm not sure how many more mechanics you could realistically add to a fight in those conditions while still claiming it to be good design. Eyeballing the distance between every player around you to avoid the chain lightning while still being in reach to do the things you needed to do against moving targets with minimal lost time was pretty difficult on a shit computer with bad fps not gonna lie. But yes the hp and dmg was tuned very highly before the mega nerf in the weeks leading up to the wrath release.
@@antonsundin2974 Yeah, with no DBM I guess it would be harder to have a clean phase transition with no remaining adds. If we add to that the limits of the time, bad internet and low fps, that makes the fight exponentially harder. I'm just a bit surprised he was number 1 after seeing all the mad mechanics players must do on bosses in the latest expansions. But overall you have a point 👍
I'm very curious when TBC reaches its final phase how will players fare with Muru, with 0 lag, 100+ fps and DBM that shows the timers of spawns.
Ty for your input
@@vhyles Im sure he will go down within hours on the first day haha.
This has to be the one of the best WoW list videos ever made. Wonderful work! I was shocked to see that I just watched a 50 minute list video, it was so good that it didn't seem longer than normal :) thanks for this masterpiece!
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Makes me wish I was around to play so I could experience all these different raid bosses. So many raids missed
It's funny that you mention your drawings at the ending as my immediate thought during the Lich King boss explanation was just the drawing you did of picking up the stick figure and gently placing them. I know you didn't like the illustrations, but that one always comes to mind when talking about the bomb exploit. :' )
Lovely video and I look forward to the next revisit 5 years from now! :D
This is the type of video I can truly sit back, relax and enjoy watching for 50 minutes :)
?? Very over analyzed with random information that doesn't pertain to difficulty of bosses what so ever. Pretty odd formula for a video.
@@tipsysmichigander6483 And? He perfectly explains why every boss is difficult, if that is only what you need. Why are you saying this?
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hirumaredx knows why and that is all that matters... This video being 49:00 minutes long, he wont receive a fraction of his normal view count. He already knows it and is wondering why he didn't break this video up into numerous videos. Wasn't being rude just honest.
@@tipsysmichigander6483 Maybe he doesnt care that much about viewers? Maybe he just wants to put out quality content for people that enjoy this stuff?
@@tipsysmichigander6483 Even if the older video is one of his most famous videos with 1.6 mil . You heard it yourself, he doesn't like it mostly because it was rushed. If you gonna make a top 10 hardest boss videos , you better explain why each boss was so difficult to be on the list and include some minor details because they also played a role , like the pet that gives 20% reduced nature dmg , which helped on c'thun stomach mechanic. That's what he had to do , and that is exactly what he did
#1 hardest boss .. the elevator in SSC
I’ve been subscribing to this channel recently and I’ve just been blown away by the nostalgic factor. You see, I played wow vanilla when it first came out and I would definitely call myself more of a casual gamer. These raid bosses in vanilla wow were statistically very rare for the average gamer to participate, requiring large amounts of game coordination and dedication for gear leveling and such. Basically 15 years later I'm learning about parts of a game I really was unable to experience 15 years ago. I've never encountered cthun let alone been able to play in AQ. Hell I only had parts of a tier 1 set! Altogether, I really appreciate your videos ! Thank you!!!
this video was so good. 50 minuets wasnt a waste. good job hiru
all your work paid off on it. i remember the og video and loved it for the simple but funny drawings. i've been retired from playing wow but love to watch things about it and glad to see an update video to a top 10 that everyone asks themselves and others too.
I really liked all the diagrams, drawings and Hearthstone footage you used to show raid mechanics. It helped break up the video and make it more interesting. You should do that more often
The fact that you put a lot more time and effort into this video really shows. Thanks for the great video dude
I personally was so gratified to see Fallen Avatar on the list. Doing him on heroic in Legion nearly made me quit raiding altogether, and forced a complete re-construction of my raid team.
Heroic? I cleared hc Tomb pug on some crappy geared shaman healer.
Heroic lul
I quited because of him on mythic, tomb of soak killed raider in me.
Well done mate. Your hard work after 5 years certainly shows. Keep up the efforts mate, I’m a big fan!
The amount of effort and research put into this was insane. Thank you sir.
I hate large videos but you can feel how much effort it's been put on this, you tell the stories as well as your voice, animation everything is been done in such a way that I finished the video without noticing how large It was and enjoying It, I love your videos!
M'uru was the hardest boss i've ever faced. Thanks for keeping it number one on the list.
I remember weeks of wipes, raiding sunday to thursday, 8pm to midnight.
And as a holy pally, i had a whole group to myself, with 3 shaman rotating mana tide when i asked and a shadow priest. Because the tank heal was INSANE!! zero breaks, moving from MT tanking the big void, to the pally tank getting the small adds. And my guild helped me farm dark runes from scholomance, so i could get another mana boost on the fight.
Ahhhh the good old days.
Those hours and days sounds just like my guild. Definitely the longest I remember ever being stuck on a boss. Our guild ended up raid stacking and so as a warrior tank, I ended up being in standby most of the time. Ultimately led me to stop raiding. Guild got him and cleared within a couple weeks. Maybe I sucked but those adds were hard to tank too. You had to pick them up so fast and with dps going all out as soon as possible, I had to be on my toes
The original version of this video was the first video I've watched on this channel, and how I ended up subscribing. How time flew.
wow, didnt even realise I had been watching this for 50 minutes xD But man, this was a really nice video. I loved all the info u had on each boss etc. Keep up the good work my dued cuz you got yourself a new subscriber!
Putting M’uru on top is spot on. Our guild also got disbanded after countless tries on it. I was the Warrior MT . IMO, humanoid adds were insanely fun n relatively easy to tank with the help of spell reflection. But we always sucked at transitioning on to 2nd phase just as you mentioned. Good memories though : ) Thanks for the beautifully compiled video!
Actually watched the whole thing, good content man :D
hiru your content and commentary is so good that i never played wow and still watched a 50 min video about it
Very well done, I feel kind of set back in time when I progressed many of these bosses! For me the hardest was also Muru, who my guild wasn't able to defeat pre-nerf. But we killed him/her directly after the hotfixes were applied. Sadly I never had the chance to progress Cthun, I think it would've been fun! Thanks for the video!
Yep, I’d have to say anyone who faced muru back in the day is a badass, or even stepping into sunwell pre nerfs
I knew muruu was gonna be #1! But what made this video so good was how in depth your explanation was on why they were so difficult.
I remember the first video. Thanks for the 5years Hiru. Didn't realize it had been that long.
So C'thun and Yogg-Saron were considered "mathematically impossible." Makes me wonder if Blizz made the Old Gods that way on purpose. If they did, then I might expect N'Zoth to be "mathematically impossible" as well.
i expect n'zoth to be the hardest raid boss to this point solely because he's the only old god we've faced who is fully released. c'thun and yogg were still partially imprisoned. I expect even normal to be decently difficult
Think lore wise we will not beat N'zoth at the end of the encounter
@@SmokerFace12 you cant kill old gods due to the damage it does to our planet as was found out when y'shaarj was killed its the reason why c'thun and yogg arent dead ether.
@@jandegrote1 oh i see, only play since Cata and didnt care for lore at all because I never understand half of whats going on.. But these Old Gods and Titans are getting very interesting now and might need to do some lore research :)
in this day? no. he'll be a push over like everything else they make now.
lore wise... sargeras should've swatted everyone like a fly but "let's make illidan commit suicide for literally no reason because we wrote it so poorly it's out of place for him to be imprisoned with him"
You prob dont read comments on this anymore, but I have used this video to fall asleep for about 6months now, listen to it every single night. Helps me sleep, thanks for this masterpiece
dude ive been watching Duel Logs for so long and i didnt realize you also made wow content, thats crazy
Same except his dnd channel lol. I watched the WoW stuff first, years ago & came across his dnd content, like I recognize this voice from somewhere…
I've raided a lot of raids til Legion, cleared naxx in classic and did all the HC and later Mythic Raids and I absolutely loved the WoD Mythic Raidcontent. Mythic Archimonde was such a lovely fight.
blizzard employee: "its possible, you just need to get better"
It was literally impossible at the time.
That Blizzard employee could charitably be described as 'full of shit'.
I can bet they didn't even play test it.
@@raimondsstokmanis1892 I feel like there's a lot of stuff they didnt play test especially in vanilla. For example I started levelling a druid in classic and in bear form I found out the hard way you cannot use a health pot at a critical moment while in bear form, you have to get out of bear form and btw you cannot even pop bark skin in bear form LOL!!
Blizzard Employee who maybe clears LFR or doesn't even play the game*
@@Orthane In Vanilla there was no LFR. It was all Blizz doing stuff on the fly and letting the players find all the bugs. Vanilla was horrible for all sorts of bad bugs, especially for pets of Hunters and Locks.
Thanks for making this vid! Took me down memory lane, and explained why these bosses were hard, rather then just buggy. Although they were all buggy.
Watching the video helped me know about a Lot of things about these bosses i dident even know about around the time! 🖐️😄🖐️
what a great video full flashback my memories,to reminds me i was there..in every boss..in every single expansion..18 years passed..im still here..
I feel honored to be apart of the .23% to complete ICC when it was current content... the glory days
I wasn't (only saw the first few bosses of ICC, but frankly: It really were the glory days for me, too because I haven't raided much since, especially since most of my friends stopped playing (only returning for a month here a month there etc.))...and that is ok, because seeing the last encounter of an expansion should not be trivial (note: But raiding should also not require you to run a shit-ton of mythic dungeons etc....the early encounters should basically equip you for the later ones and be doable in green-gear!)
ok boomer
I loved Tanking that fight back in the day.
ICC and Lich King as a whole were the golden days of WoW and what I remember most fondly
Holy shit I did not even realize this was a 50 minute video, well done man
I raided in vanilla & TBC and played a little in WotLK so I’m not familiar with most of these bosses but you made me watch the entire video. Great job making this video.
TFW the only instance you've ever been in WoW is Wailing Caverns and yet you still want to raid just because how awesome this video is.
Just a small note on your end segment; Kil'Jaeden, in sunwell, was not a hard fight. His low kill count was quite literally only because M'uru was so hard. Most guilds that managed to kill M'uru would kill KJ within a day or two of killing M'uru. I know my guild at the time quite literally killed him the next raid day. We always attributed it to the fact that everyone in the raid at that point was so close to mechanically perfect due to M'uru, so all the mechanics on KJ had so much room for error that it was kind of a joke; this despite the mechanics looking difficult to someone not directly raiding the content.
@unknowning unknown hahhaha are u offended or something?
Well it was kind of hard, but... he was so much easier than M'uru that it just never seemed that hard to anyone capable of even getting to him. Funny kind of thing when the 2nd to last boss of a raid is harder then the last one.
KJ in TOS however, was pure misery. The reason why ALLY players couldnt kill him is because anyone who couldnt jump back on the platform...well they went off the platform.
I played swp on a buffed private server and muru was rly easy, if priests and tanks knew what to do. As dps you just go out prior ti the dark area and then aoe the adds.
They should release un-nerfed Cthun when it drops on classic; I have a feeling he would drop.
Stack 20 dps warriors doing 1k dps, he WILL drop
@@frederickroy7039 with reliable internet and communication, its made classic a lot easier.
As someone who was in a top 20 guild and had 3 months of wipes on C'thun in Vanilla, he wouldn't. There were too many bugs in the fight that made it un-killable; for instance sometimes he would put people in his stomach and there wouldn't be any way to get out.
Probably would with 1.12 talents since they itself increase damage significantly. (the case of not enough dps, not sure about other bugs etc.)
Also class stacking would help on that since that didn't really happen much in the old days.
I was hoping for a mention of the stack overflow error from the reverse chain lightening. If the raid ran in together, players could get hit for more damage than the server had integers (at the time) and so players died after taking -1 damage.
I just want to thank you for making great content and not resorting to clickbait titles. You've got my sub for this reason alone.
Great video! I can't remember the last time I spent an hour on one youtube video and felt good about it.
I'd like to mention that Mimiron was changed after week 1, due to a "bug" where the gatling gun part of his body in phase 4 would not be locked to the floor, but follow the orientation of the base, meaning that if that gatling went off at the same time as the shockwave, the tank would need to run out as well. Now, after shockwave completed, the boss would jerk to a start, following the tank that ran away, and if gatling gun was still firing, he'd swipe a basically random 1/4 of the room, often leading to wipes. Not to mention that the hard mode was incredibly tightly tuned, until it was finally nerfed something like 60+ days into the Ulduar patch. Week 1 Mimiron was only killable on normal mode because you could stack the raid to have the tank live through the shockwave, thereby preventing the random gatling kills. It felt like quite the achievement at the time to clear Ulduar week 1! I do think that the problem here was unintended behaviour, so the fix was immediate.
Awesome top.
Will you do a "Story of Class Specs" in the future? Like, "History of Combat Rogues" "History of Fury Warriors" "History of Shadow Priests" etc, etc, etc.
In defense of your original top ten hardest raid bosses video, I have to say the Paint drawings gave it a nice descriptive touch. While raid footage is better to show what you are talking about, sometimes the chaotic mishmash of spell effects clouds the mechanics, so the little paint drawings makeit simple to understand at a basic level. It's a bit like a more energetic Bob Ross explaining raid mechanics.
In particular I love the Lich King rising Sindragosa part.
I also liked the Proving Grounds (kind of a precursor to the mage Tower) and the brawlers Guild, both added in MoP. Great video, really enjoyed it...
50 minutes long and yet it was hella exciting to watch. Ty
Seeing all the old gods in this list makes me think about N'zoth in 8.3
ahh, M'uru. As a Void Spawn (and Entropius) tank, I must have gone through thousands of Ironshield pots. That was a requirement back then, haha. +2500 armor (around 12% of a raid-buffed warrior tank's armor in sunwell).
Being your #1 hardest fight (which I agree with), you should have taken time to mention the door adds and how BRUTALLY hard they hit. You needed very well put together groups on each side to handle them. This was another major part of the fight where you needed to deal with something in PERFECT TIMING (as it was nearly impossible to kill them with time to spare prior to the next group running out, and if you got 2 groups at once it was pretty much over right there). Anyway, thanks for the nostalgia.... Being a TBC-Cata main tank in progression guilds was one of the best times I've ever had in my life.
I will note that C'thun should be more highly ranked however, as C'Thun was actually possible in his unnerfed state and a single kill was logged mere hours before the patch went live. What was not typically known was just how difficult the fight was pre nerfs, to the point where it was only achievable with the BiS Nature Resist gear for every character in the raid, as well as having Nature Resist flasks on everyone. And this was before the Shadow of Naxxramas patch which made Black Lotus tradeable, which means everyone in the raid had to, alone, level and cap their armorcrafting professions and material profession, then unlearn both of those professions and level alchemy and herbalism from 0.
Conversely, M'Uru was actually harder then even intended, as the World First Kalegos kill was achieved by using the TBC drumcircle strategy, which was then immediately patched out. Until that kill, Drums werent just spammable, they stacked. And this was a massive buff to raiders. 5% haste is good as a static statistic, 25% haste lasting 30 seconds was incredible in TBC.
Our first pull my tank got basically oneshotted by them, so a bit hard to heal you might say.
Speaking personally I loved your little shortcuts in the previous video, I thought it was really cute showing 4horseman in hearth and the little drawings of the bosses :)
5 years ago the video hgave me chill down my spine and im happy to say that this one even greater chills, I dont know why but they always come at the time most needed... 100% will watch more
Oh, the 20-25 minute Illidan fights. 🥶
it as pretty chill tho, i remember we downed it after 10/15 wypes
Good video, can't wait for the next one 5 years from now.
I always enjoy your content Hiru, even the early beta rag sketch. Keep up the good work bro!👏👏
Sick video my friend! Can really tell you put a LOT of research and effort in to it. Keep it up!
I just remember how happy my raid leader was on Yogg 0 when he found out I not only could, but preferred affliction.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that Ion H himself was the dude from Death and Taxes that did some of the math to discover that C'Thuun was impossible
Ion was not in Death N Taxes. He was in elitist jerks which got banned from exploiting the skeram wall.
XI and Blacken were the DnT members arguing with the blizzard developers.
How do I know this you ask. I was a mage in Death N Taxes.
Loved this video!! (and I don't feel so bad that my casual guild never beat uu'nat anymore.)
Great video I watched start to finish!
Alone in the Dark was hands down the best fight ever for me, probably because I MT'd it which was incredibly fun and tense. LK was so amazing to, both on 10 which was way more fun to play than 25 imo. We also did both without c-res... kinda crazy, but I think the difficulty was healthier then.
32:46 Turns out the line between "clever use of game mechanics" and "illegal exploit" is a real fine one. To my mind, that was just a brilliant creative move on their part: they dealt with the mobs, using game mechanics. They didn't remove lines of code, walk through walls or glitch anything obviously shady like that. In the same way that a paladin may bubble to prevent all incoming damage, warlocks negating a debuff altogether by just draining life, or someone kiting a pack of mobs for an entire fight. The difference between an evade and a kite/bubble/total negation is hardly that significant when you're up against one of the toughest bosses in the game's history. Hell, most people posited that it was mathematically impossible, so no wonder they found themselves having to get real creative, and props to them for going the extra mile to prove them wrong.
Peace!
Great, great video. You're the king of top 10s. This was so good, I watched it during dinner, instead of netflix :D
Me and Zarkie never got the mount, despite killing the boss world 188st.
I still remember it because we were also going for the Yogg+0 kill to get the mimiron head mount and I got it, but gave it to him in return for getting invincible. Which they technically removed from the game on my birthday. Fun patch!
The fun thing about the explanation for Kil´jeaden is; and there was this additonal mechanic on top of this.... for like 5 Minutes. I loved this fight.
You missed the best, MC from the day it opened, back in the day when PVP realms was the norm. Back in the day when you went into BRM and the paths were white with the dead. Nothing today even comes close.
Wow. That took 50minutes :o I didn't think it was so long! You always keep attention! Awesome job!
It's been 4 years since this video, I look forward to seeing another Top 10 Hardest Raid Bosses in a year!
Thanks for your effort! Very well done!
It’s really telling how boss difficulty has been refined since most of the bosses in the video are from last 2 expacs
Having multiple difficultys allows the top end to be harder and the "bottom" to be easier at the same time.
To be fair, neither C'thun or M'uuru deserve to be on this list. Vanilla/TBC boss difficulty is laugable by today standards (taking in consideration only Mythic mode obv).
@@Cr4ZyHaloBob that's kinda true, when you take a look at it you could say that M'uru was hard because best possible raid dps at the time was 20k (example number, I never played on tbc so I don't know how much should a raid be pushing at the time), and M'uru's requirement was that same 20k, that means it's ridiculously hard, but it's fake difficulty.
Still, great video
@@Cr4ZyHaloBob Not really. Yes, there were less mechanics, but they also needed to be executed well. Also gearing for a content was a lot harder, especially since you have to gear full 40 people at least and mostly a lot more because not all can play and you had to have backup. There were no alt runs because just reaching 60 was a lot of time. You only had one difficulty of raid and that is it. But hey, we have classic now. I would honestly love to see C'thun with its original mechanics and hp. Lets see if its killable without all the nerfs.
@@vasilije94 "but they also needed to be executed wel" yes, exactly like today, with the difference that vanilla bosses had very very few mechanics that were also very basic and, while punishing, easy to execute thanks to the low pacing of vanilla encounters and little to none mechanics overlap. Players back then where just much less skilled and experienced. This is why MC got totally destroyed in classic, and the other raids will share the same fate.
The cheese in this list can be summarized in one meme:
Warlock: *exists*
Overtuned bosses: Why do I hear boss music?
Warlocks rock man!
well that tells you all you need to know about us Warlocks ;) pretty sure Isle of Quel'Danas PvP'ers heard that same bawz music play when we decided to have some fun there ^_^ ahh those were some fun days :D almost as fun as thunderpunting alliance raids at the Thunderbluff elevators back in the day with my shammy XD now those were some really good times... puts a smile on my face thinking about it
Timeless Isle too, to some extent. I used to pull some tortoises from the shallows with my demon pet to kill afk'ers at the beach. Until I learned that their aggro are unusually stuck for the longest range. So I proceed to pull the biggest, baddest tortoise from deeper water, and brought them along to the Celestial arena to ensure maximum chaos.
Fun time.
@@andy.w There is a special place in hell for people like you!
Namely the board of executives! Welcome aboard.
Warlocks also made the val kyr on Lich King easier
Fantastic ! Such a great video ! Congratulations !
Watching this at the end of 2021, I think some of my best memories were healing Avatar and KJ. So hard but so satisfying and we got the Cutting Edge kill the last day!
This is what made it tough to quit wow after MoP; blizzard was starting to evolve their Pve mechanics by some amazing fights during MoP, and set the requirement of Skill, Dedication and knowledge to a new level. Seems like they did a remarkable job of continuing- and expanding their Great Pve raiding !!
Yup. Raid got infinitely better with Siege of Orgrimmar.
Mop casualfied the game
@@_AriseChicken lol, tell that to any high rated pvp player with 50 keybinds/macros, or the raider who spent hours utilizing reforge and stat calculations, perfecting every role-equivalent specc on their class and push the rotation to the limit. Gear didnt even carry you, or define how well you performed, if you didnt know how to use it. Theres no way you could be succesfull as casual player, but all preceeding expansions, you could achieve the majority of everything without putting in maximum effort
@@ru99414 ill tell it to all the players who had to play with simplified talents and gear. oh yea everyone. congrats you were high rated on the easiest expac. Also reforge addons, which had millions of downloads.
One or may be the best video i have ever seen about wow raids. You have earned my sub and follow. Thanks for the very well done job.
You worked hard on this video!! Thank you!
I've not played wow since lich King, and watched all this video, hat off to you good sir
Even in BFA we dont even bother doing KJ during transmog runs on mythic.
Good luck ever trying to organise a transmog run pug to not get booted off the platform immediately. Having top level difficulty mechanics that do not scale to level have been the bane of transmog groups forever. Razorgore, felmyst, KJ etc.
Tomb of Sargeras was popular with 1-shot death mechanics even on LFR mode.
Just imagine how many bosses blizzard has done, pretty crazy :) Coming up with new stuff all the time for each exp.
They save time by clearly not playtesting them enough :O
"New stuff" being remodelled appearances and putting some random mechanics that already exists on multiple bosses AND THEN in one boss of entire expansion, a new mechanic that is based on something very similar.
Yeah, new.
@@LaLaCucaracha lol ya that or taking mechanics from other mmos XD Most wow players dont realize just how much they take from other mmos.
@@deaconfrost796 It's quite the opposite. Other MMOs hard copy from WoW.
Alternative title. Top 10 bosses that made people cry, rage and break down both physically and mentally
Great video! My greatest achievement in WoW will always be Yogg 0 Lights and earning the Realm First! Death's Demise title.
Top 10 videos to reforge.
Number 10. Pet battle tips
Raid boss too hard to kill
Warlocks : allow us to introduce ourselves
Is for me 👉👈😳
My favorites Firefighter, 0-Lights and Lich King Hardmodes... really loved that fights.
Archimonde is one of those bosses that usually slips under the radar when it comes to difficulty. I think you put it well; the amount of never before seen tactics in combination with the two extreme resource checks (dps in P1 and battleresses in P3) made it suuuch a satisfying race.
I can only imagine what it would look like, had it not been for the emergence of the insane WeakAuras.
Because of that, i recommend checking out Paragon’s killvid, and the beauty that is their handling of the chaos beam mechanics
Lich King: Exists
Me: Suffers from Defile PTSD
Oh wow this video is an hour long and I didn’t even notice lmao
Epic video! I watched full video it was amazing! Keep the good work!
both videos were great you put a ton of work in and it showes