Great first impressions video Jose and it's great to see you posting content again. I've just had a fantastic 1 hour flight in the Quest 3. No doubt about it, if you have the GPU, it's a great display. SOOO smooth too using VD. My issue is most people won't have a high end GPU, and in this instance, they'd still be better off with a DP headset such as the G2 or Pico Neo 3 link. I wish I could keep flying but this headset is by far, the most uncomfortable headset I've ever worn. Meta really messed up here. There are a few of us (including Get Your Game On and Sim hanger Mark) who can see SDE. I guess I'm just spoiled by the Crystal, Aero and Beyond now. Great video and thanks for the shout out. Looking forward to seeing more!
Thanks for the video. Question please. I have a 10900K/3090GPU and currently use the Reverb G2. I purchased the Quest 3 for Christmas after hearing from many pilots that the clarity is comparable with the G2. Unfortunately, I'm not finding that to be the case. Two issues; 1. Clarity of text on buttons or glass screens and 2. Brightness and colour is overdone to the point that nothing can be read on panels with bright light on them and colours are too saturated to the point that is looks very "gamey". In contrast the G2 is spot on with clarity and colour intensity. Appreciate any comments you might have.
@@sprlpy318 you sound like you know what you're talking about...... on my HP G2, what software group should I be using in Aug. 2024, when I last used it last year I know there was a bunch of little software utilities (can't remember name of the little program in tandem with the Windows Experience or hmmm what was it called , Windows Mixed Reality or something like that, sorry for butchering the name
People forget that while the Reverb G2 hardware was made by HP, the software which is literally called Windows Mixed Reality was made by Microsoft. It is very normal that Microsoft Flight Simulator, which obviously was also made by Microsoft lol, is much more optimized for the G2. People also forgot that when the MSFS 2020 VR option was launched, it was exclusive to the G2 in the beginning. So I dont think it is surprising that it works better in the G2 than on the Meta headsets. However, people found a way to increase the bitrate in Quest headsets to up to 940 which is insane and apparently just gives the edge back the Q3 over the G2.
okey. one stupid question: to get better VR experience with the quest3, you have also to activate OpenXR? or do I need OpenXR only for hp reverb b2/WMR? OpenXR is nice, but I have some problems with it compared to SteamVr. Motion compensation works not that great with OpenXR, in steamVr it is perfect. I want the nicest and most fluid experience for Automobilista 2, and I wonder if upgrading from reverb g2 to quest 3 would be a good step for improving sharpness and or fps
@mh7711 with MSFS OpenXR is the best. A youtuver named VR Flight Sim Guy made a tutorial and recommended with the Quest 3 to supersample the resolution in OpenXR Toolkit up to 3500. That worked very well for me, but it depends on your GPU. I have a 3090, and I supersample to 3400 and easily reach 40-50 fps with high/ultra settings, which is great. I never use motion reprojection with Quest 3. It is called ASW and has never worked for me. However, what I do is cap the FPS to 36, which is half of 72, and usually I have a great experience in MSFS and much better than the G2. I also use DLSS quality mode. As for AMS2, unfortunately, you can't use OpenXR with Quest headsets. It forces it to go through Oculs runtime. The other option is to use Virtual Desctop and use OpenXR with it , hich is called VDXR. However, you don't have the high bitrate that comes with the cable anymore. For me, I use Oculus Runtime, and it works fine with AMS2 at full resolution, 80FPS, and medium graphics settings.
@@MegaIronicaokey thank you very much for the detailed answer, but yes I don't have to use OpenXR if the oculus runtime is as good as OpenXR. or even little bit better, additional better sweetspot. I have rtx 3090 and run 90 fps in ams2 with my hp reverb, but resolution about 80% only to get fluid 90 fps, it looks not really good. pushing resolution or super resolution to 150-200 % looks worlds better... but yes, perhaps in 2 years with a rtx 5090 (I will get immediately for sure)
@@MegaIronicaand I don't mean motion reprojection but motion compensation, I have a full motion Rig (simrig sr2) but in OpenXR the compensation is not completely eliminated in games. so when I press the break the scene moves in unnatural way instead of compensating, that sucks and I don't want to use OpenXR.
Thanks for the video! I came from the Rift S and it´s such a big difference and looks great now! I can read all the tiny text on the screens in the cockpit now in DCS. Running it on a 4080 with airlink and got 72 fps on the DCS counter with the airlink, DCS PD 1,3. Noticed, that the quality became much better after turning off DLSS, much sharper image. It´s a great device as it´s not bound to the PC but can be used for other funny stuff.
I got the Q3 on release day. My only real complaint is the face padding. I had the Q2 for a few years (mostly used for flight sim) and the pad they sent out to fix the Q2 is pretty comfortable. The Q3 digs into my cheek bones and I have to keep moving it around in a never-ending attempt to find a comfy spot. The image is good enough that I won't waste my money on anything more expensive. At least not for flight sim. Movies look great! 4k videos are pretty impressive to watch vs. my Q2s.
@@theVRpilot what should i be waiting to buy, currently I have the HP G2. Sounds like the Q3 is not an upgrade enough to justify the cost according to the way you present it for MS2020 that is. DCS, I will keep that in mind since I am a DCS user too, I do both. thanks so much, i always enjoy your content.....if I hear your voice on a video, I immediately know who it is......yea, that's the ATC Guy!!!!!
Thx for your Vid Jose. And for championing the VR flightsim hobby helping it grow.. we need that. With regards to reviewing headsets for MSFS use, I think YT's in generel are missing one key aspect.. Sure The rig that is used are important ofc. But all too often another important element are the kind and type of aircraft it is reviewed in. 3 tests should be made. Stock Cesna 172, Payware turboprop, payware airliner pmdg/fenix. These would give 3 very different reviews im sure. Have had the Q3 for 10 days now, and must say im not happy with it. After buying face cushion, new strap, new battery life strap, HQ link cable, TP link dedicated router and the headset itself im $1000 down the rabbit hole. Not complaining, just saying its something to be aware of. I have been through the simhanger and Steves settings recs, + tampered myself and so far im say at 70ish percent the quality and performance compared to the G2. I run a 139 +4090 rig so top notch there. I DO however push the sim right to the edge with addons, peripherals, motion rig, vatsim and the Fenix A320 and that is where I feel the Q3 might be too weak. I see a lot of color bleed in text on displays making them harder to read. blown out whites when the sun is out. low quality of the clouds though they are set high. and I could go on. the sim looks like a vanilla version of XP11 outside tbh. Im not saying there aren't a solution, just haven't found it yet but will keep tweaking, but compared to the G2 right now its not matching it in visual quality and performance. Side by side settings wise I am getting 23 fps in the Q3 (link AND cabled) compared to G2's 40 fps on direct side-by-side testing. the Q3 is the headset I want to love... Have missed the UI and controllers since I left the Oculus 2 for the G2. Love the lack of sweet spot hunting Love the ability to bring windows EASILY into VR to chat with friends, read messages and just browser while in cruise. Love the controllers and their build quality Easy to take screenshots or vids and share with friends. The freedom when not being cabled (longer flights needs cable to charge) AND ofc my kids love it too, so don't see me getting rid of it again. Just wish I could get the same performance out of it as I do with the G2. Im sure it has it under the hood, but is locked out of it due to the lack of direct graphics card input. Im also sure it is up to par if you just enjoy flying "simpler" aircrafts and aren't a certified sim-nut like me :) I will keep it around though, one never knows if a solution comes up.. (yeah, also tried fps and smooth flight add ons, they just throttle the sim down to much to work for me). If you are looking for something that has the same quality and performance as you get with the G2 in the sweet spot, the Q3 ain't it if you want to fly complex a/c.
They are model number DT 990 Pro, by Sennheiser. Comfortable. Open back 250ohm headphones. I use them to edit content as well as listen to how my voice / audio levels are when I record.
I have a quest 2 and just got the quest 3 from best buy. The Quest 3 has one bright pixel, and mura is very visible when the brightness is turned up. Positives are the lenses are really sharp all of the way to the edges. I also was able to plug in a usb ethernet adapter into the Quest 3, and it works with Virtual Desktop. The passthrough and AR demo game are pretty amazing. The only issue I have in MSFS over link cable is some strange tearing at the extreme edges when moving my head quickly. I am going to do some in depth flying in DCS, MSFS and Flying Circus in the Quest 3, and then switch back to the Quest 2. If I don't feel a huge loss in quality when going back to the 2, i will probably return it.
The tearing went away when I lowered the render resolution. Try having the Oculus software at 1.0 and 90hz (or 72hz depending on your Pc hardware) and then the in game VR resolution at 100. Then start increasing things from there. I found oversampling with the 12900k and 4090 did well, and I was able to get rid of the tearing but it just wasn’t as clear as I wanted it. Mind you that’s with TAA, if I set it to DLSS it was wildly unusable in VR lol. Smooth, yes but it looked gross lol.
Steve's first impressions have largely been revised and he can get a clear image and good performance. I can also see the SDE effect quite clearly but it doesn't distract too much, colours are just not quite as solid as they might be, do some AB testing with your G2, look at light colours and you can see. From the performance in MSFS I'm getting better performance using Wifi than Steve is using cable (I believe). I've got a 2500 Mbps 6e Wifi router using VDXR in VD and I can tell you, although I'm using ASW and DLSS I can run Ultra settings @ over 3000 per eye and it looks fantastic. If it was a choice of buying a £719 HP Reverb G2 which is discontnued or the Quest 3 at £479, for me it's a no brainer even if you are a simmer. Only caveat for me is the comfort, the G2 is very comfortable and you do need an elite strap or one of the many third party solutions - be aware though I use a powered link cable, if you buy a headstrap with a battery pack, you can't use the link cable for data, you can only use a cable for proviing additional power - so you would be stuck with the Wifi solution.
No I'm not @@oliverf944 . The colours and contrast for an LCD panel is good in both the G2 and Quest 3 but the SDE in the Quest which is more noticable on stuff further out can deminish how solid something looks.
Hey, good to see another enthusiast from Florida. I work at an FBO in South Florida, and have family in the Tampa, Clearwater area. Next time I am in town, we can hit Big Storm Brewery, and shoot the breeze about VR simming and gaming. I do want to upgrade from my Rift S to the quest 3. I do believe the clarity for the price is what I am going for. My only concern is I fly for hours, and want to be sure that the link cable charges the headset while plugged in. Can you answer that for me?
Very cool! For sure. Join discord and reach out to me there. The link cable will NOT keep your charge long term, the PC does not output enough power. The headset is just a hungry machine. When you consider even the Reverb G2 had its own dedicated power supply for the headset, its just too much draw and the USB cant transfer that wattage. Solution? Connect to the headset via Airlink or Virtual desktop whether by Wifi 6 direct on a wifi 6 router, or using Metas Dlink wifi6 hot spot USB hub, and then PLUG directly into the wall outlet to charge your headset. Now the original cable might be too short, you might have to get a longer one. Note- Quick chargers and more powerful chargers will also keep up just find, but part of the challenge of quick chargers is they increase heat as they charger faster, leading to reduced longevity imo. Honestly, I rather quick charge and have more jusice going to the headset than having to worry about the headset not maintaining charge. This batter issue is a big deal now and quite unfortunate for PC VR simmers. Apparently the Meta 3 elite strap charges well, but again, its not a quick charger. Hopefully this gets resolved soon, but it might be a long term hardware thing we just have to work around. Now with all that being said, I LOVE the clarity of the Quest 3, way better than the G2 as far as FOV, sweet spot, and no fresnel lenses. IS it mind blowing? No, but yes lol. Its a great improvement and I would say, give it a shot, have a some solutions on hand when you buy the headset so you have time to test it and if it doesnt work out you can return the headset. But the Q3 is great, and I love it. Ill eventually have a video on MSFS and the Q3.
Thanks! I have to do an updated video, I think the Quest 3 has shaped up rather good especially if you have a more powerful PC. But also I am keeping my eye on the Pimax Crystal Light.
Three reviews I've watched say there is mura and a screen door effect, yours is the second saying there isn't. I'm wondering if there are massive panel differences in the market right now or some are more sensitive than others to it.
Great observation and I wonder that myself. I’m going to look into this more. I do not wear glasses. I come from 10 years of using VR and flying in VR, but yeah I mean screen door effect is just something I do not see. Do I see pixels, I mean sure if I’m reaalllly looking for them. But no way would I call that a screen door effect. I wouldn’t think that’s correct or fair but that’s how I describe it, but I’m surprised to hear other folks say it’s there. As for Mura I’ll look into it to make sure I’m understand it, but I felt it was minimal if anything. Again, this isn’t a perfect headset but those pancake lenses do wonder and not having ugly god rays at night is so nice!
I've got a quest 3 and all the accessories sitting in my Amazon cart. I've enjoyed my G2 but cannot stand the Windows mixed reality controls. They are so cluncky and top heavy. I've been getting into VTOL VR and just can't do it anymore. Everything I've heard is the Q3 controls are great.
I agree, Quest 3 controls are great. Getting the headset configured has been plug and play for some and required tweaking for others but as time passes, many that have it love it over the G2.
Thanks for this. Currently considering taking the plunge into VR flight simming since I can no longer fly. This gave me a lot of good info. Thanks! New sub.
Great. ruclips.net/video/Hf6onSRSSrA/видео.html I made a video on "how to see in VR". Also I built a new simpit, which you can see in my shorts videos. I will have a video coming out on that soon. While it isnt necessary its a fun project and I recorded it to share with others. Also I didnt find any videos like that online and figured others would be interested. That video will come out soon. @@BryanW0765
I don't have anything yet but want to get into VR for MSFS and being away from a PC. Sound like the Quest 3 is the way to go and hope it improves in the near future. Probably wait for Black Friday deals for now. Thanks for the video and perspective.
@@theVRpilot I do not know how you can say the Quest 3 is not better than the Reverb when it is clearly the case. I have both and have double the fps with greater clarity on the Q3, and this with a 3080 Ti. I stopped watching the video after that statement.
@@theVRpilot Running VD that you do not even mention, somehow. And I don’t ask you to mention VDXR because at that time it did not exist. It drains battery, that’s what batteries are for, but it can be avoided plugging the supplied mains. But I do not need it, I consider one or two hours enough of playing for those who have other things to do, which is probably 99% of the society, or it should be.
What did you mean with not for msfs? Is it that the fps is less? The. Latency is more? Or that the visuals are not BETTER than the g2? Are the visuals the same as the g2 with msfs? I couldn’t really comprehend that from your video. Also has the situation changed by now? Because it’s now 8 months ago.
@@faziolifairmont8125 I am overdue for an update video. In short, the Quest 3 is much better and my experience recently has been great. For what it is, this is a great headset, WiFi 6 is the best option with virtual desktop and the better the GPU the better the experience.
No, it shouldnt be. Wifi only gets deactivated if you use the VR air bridge by Dlink as it creates a direct wifi6 connection to it and then to your pc.
Not a single review mentions the increased latency of the Reverb G2 compared to every other headset, yet that is its defining flaw. Conversely, one of the many superior qualities of the quest 3 is it's absolute rock solid positioning of the virtual world and virtual objects, in other words it has the lowest latency of any headset.
Very interesting. I have to say that I’ll pay more attention to this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I had other issues I guess that overshadowed the increased latency and I likely was taking it for granted but also distracted.
I have the reverb g2, the latency is (for me, who is very!!! sensitive to latency) only bad (and nearly unplayable for fast sim racing) only when I set it to 60hz. activating 90hz is much less latency, an extreme difference for me. do you share this experience with me or is even 90hz laggy to you?
Thank you Jose, after Steve's less than enthusiastic review of the Q3 i was rethinking purchasing it, now i believe I'm just delaying, new hardware requires driver tweaks. I'm thinking the Q3 is suffering from these initial growing pains. The performance in DCS cemented my belief that the MSFS issues will be dealt with, and that waiting for black Friday seems now more bearable.
You are welcome Sam. That’s a great way to look at this. Now, I didn’t mention it or show it off much, but I will later, the mixed reality part is neat, and if you have a quest 2 and enjoy it, the Quest 3 is just that much better! I am happy I purchased it. And I will continue to see if I can improve the performance through discord, Facebook and the official forums j
No Steve was correct. My friend got his today and said it is still not as clear as his G2 on MSFS and DCS, he did say it was a little better on DCS though. If you have a G2 it is not a step up. We have 4080's and like Steve was saying you would probably need to have a 4090 to get close to a G2 that is on a 3080. G2 on the 4080 is insane. I can see targets on the ground at 20k feet. My friend confirmed he could not see targets in the distance like on his G2. If you have a Quest 2 it is a no brainer though.
@@ComdrStewGood point, having a 4080/4090 pushing the extra pixels makes a significant difference. We are getting closer tho! This headset is a step in the right direction!
@@theVRpilot Oh yeah it is in the correct direction. I just wish the link cable plugged into the GPU. I think BigScreen is the future of headsets though. Imagine BigScreen's small form factor headset with eye tracking, active cooling, a larger FOV, and passthrough. I mean it's FOV is the same as the G2 and Q3 already. Quest 3 passthrough looks groundbreaking for the price.
So the sweetspot is bigger than on the HP Reverb G2? I own the Reverb G2 and the sweetspot is extremely small, only the absolute middle is sharp, 10 degrees beside it becomes much unsharp. the old Pimax 5k was worlds better.
Does the Q3 charge/power over the link cable? One of the biggest issues I had with my Q2 before going to the G2 was the power drama. Could only use a Q2 for a few hours before it went flat.
Hey, so I wanted to test it before answering. What I found was I could do airlink and then connect my headset to the wall via a PD charger and my headset would not lose charge. Apparently I think there is a Wi-Fi 6 bug that is causing issues for some folks using wireless but meta is working on it. If I plug into the Pc for a direct connection it will absolutely drain. There might be a solution of a usb cable that has power split from data like the Reverb G2 has. I’m looking into that now.
Yeah this is the same issue I had with the Q2. WHen using the link cable, it dies in a couple hours. I searched everywhere for a split QC cable, but noone makes one.@@theVRpilot
@@vRoulettes Good news! some companys sell a cable inwhich you connect the quest charger to the little box on the link cable and it charges and links at the same time!
Thanks for the honest review Jose. I was hoping to upgrade from the Q2 for MSFS, but will hold off for the time being… let’s hope there’s a way of getting MSFS to run better 🤞
I hope to find a solution as time progresses, and other folks will be using the Quest 3. But I wanted to try to set expectations clear after messing with it for 3 days, is it a clear cut upgrade now from Quest 2 for MSFS as your main focus? Unfortunately no, but if you did want to upgrade because of the other headset capabilities you will totally enjoy it. These are my first impressions overall, and I plan to keep making content! And I will continue to revisit MSFS. I’ll do a whole flight in each sim and chat through it sharing my experience.
I have a Reverb G2 you can buy by it's 4 months old I sim race with it but have replaced it with a quest 3 because the lenses are much better and it works better for Assetto Corsa and ACC through CM and steam VR the reverb doesn't do so well in steam VR because WMR is pretty bad unless your playing a Microsoft title like MSFS and I don't play flight sims well hit me up if your interested hope this post doesn't get me in trouble but I putt the offer out there anyway
I have folks saying the Q3 still beats the G2, and I agree with DCS, but for some reason with MSFS it just didnt look as good. I am not sure why. It looks GREAT! But man, I keep coming back to the G2 and I have both. I have a 12900k and 4090, and I thoroughly love the G2 over my Q3 for flight sim.
Yeah I guess im worried about my 3080ti and ryzen 9 5900x not being able to support the Q3 to its full potential in games like DCS and the G2 just being a better pick in all games due to it. @@theVRpilot
@@theVRpilot The G2 has better resolution than Q3, I just hope HP comes up with a G3 soon since the G2 will be 4 years old in December 2024. I don't have a G2, but I will wait and continue using my Q2 and PSVR2.
@@AlgerianFoxFoot picture is more clear than the reverb g2 even without connected to pc. I already did a side by side test with both. And yeas the image was perfect. Any modern usb will work. Trust me
@@theVRpilot the problem is, they're only visible on a black screen. However, I primarily play Elite Dangerous, which is a space sim, so it's always black.
Is the problem with msfs related to framerate and smoothness, or visual fidelity? Steve did say that MSFS looks amazing if you have a 4090 and running godlike mode using VD. In which case it was as good as the G2 visually. This was on the mixed reality podcast with Sebastan.
Great question! Frame rate was amazing, 90hz butter smooth. In game FPS was locked at 45, so yeah it was so smooth! A real treat. My struggle was with the visual fidelity. Now, I am going to reach out to Steve and his discord group and see what they suggest. I did not run Virtual Desktop, but will do that next and post a video sharing how my experience is once I check for the best settings. But yeah, DCS was significantly better and looked amazing. The intro of DCS where your next to the Mig or SU27 plane, I forget, is mind blowing. Everything was crystal clear. At that point I knew it was the way MSFS is processing that is affecting the end result for us in VR. But I do have a 4090 and I’ll try VD over the next few days.
which vr headset should I choose if I will use it with a PC at the moment, I have a 4080 video card, I need a high-quality picture for sim racing (I didn’t have a vr headset before and I don’t know how it will look or like it) thanks for attention.. vr headset up to 600 dollars
I just bought a dedicated Wi-Fi 6E router for virtual desktop connection on my Q3… can you use the Dlink adapter out of the box? Or do you have to install sidequest software Do you have a msfs settings guide?
The Dlink Adapter is surprisingly simple to setup. It’s pretty much plug and play, I struggled more on getting the headset to connect with the cable, due to my USB PORTS.
I have the Quest Pro, Quest 3 and the G2 and both Quests are better than the G2 in MSFS for me, although it took me a while to dial in my settings with the Pro when I got it last year. I use the cable, with encode bitrate set to 500 in the Oculus debug tool, sharpening set to normal, distortion curvature low. I don't use the OpenXR Toolkit as that conflicted and created some extra sharpening that made it look a bit stencil like. I the Rift app I have the slider all the way to the right, 5408 x 2896. In the sim I use TAA, render resolution set to 115, I think my Steam render is set at 150. In Nvidia settings for MSFS I set Anisotripic to x16 which forces LOD bias to clamp, which seems to reduce shimmering. I also keep AMD's FSR quite low in the sim, around 40 as it doesn't look good sharpened. My guess is you have some sharpening from NIS or FSR conflicting a bit with Meta's own sharpening. It looks great for me, although I prefer the Quest Pro because of the local dimming and contrasts. I can't stand to use the G2 any more, it's like having a tiny cone of circular clarity in the centre about 30 degrees across, and being almost legally blind outside of that. Pancake all the way!
I just got mine tonight and am not happy so far. I won't have a link cable until tomorrow and was just using airlink. I just bought this because my 3rd G2 died last night and so far it's not looking so great. I was sick of the tiny sweet spot on the G2 also.
@@baaamakingbaaaa give it a few days, there is a learning curve to setting up Link as you have to set the encode bitrate, resolution width, display curvature and other factors yourself. I ce you learn how to do it you'll get much better results.
My computer doesn't detect my oculus 3. and the Oculus 3 doesn't detect my computer either. only by Air Link. Does anyone know how to solve it? I want to play MSFS and I can only via Air Link but I think it looks terrible, there is a lot of vibration. I have the Original Oculus cable and a generic cable. doesn't connect with anyone
So you confirm Steve that the Quest 3 is not the go to VR headet if you got the G2. Fun so see more VR pro peeps in MSFS2020 test this all out berfore the massas go buy it. Hope you don't have any dead pixels in your Q3 that Steve got in many and he has his 5th Quest 3 already!
@@vfragos I think so, yes. Putting aside the mixed reality benefits, the pancake lenses really are excellent, if you bump up the resolution in either DCS or Oculus (or both) just a bit, you end up with an amazing crisp image, edge to edge clarity. The other benefit is reduced muira and virtually 0 fps rays. The increased FOV is minimal but I do think it’s nice too for what the headset is. I find myself less distracted by it the “toilet paper roll effect” across all sims. I’d be curious if you have the opportunity to try it to let me know your thoughts. Best Buy in the US has them where you can try it. Maybe local stores by you might do that too.
@theVRpilot Thank you so much for your impressions. What is the problem with msfs regarding the image? I live in EU but I was waiting my pre-order of the 128gb model to be delivered tomorrow but sadly Amazon and Ups lost my package and now I'm waiting when I will be able to get it on my hands. I'll to know my impressions when I get it.
Even with my criticism of Q3, I absolutely love it. I have a feeling Apple will restrict external use unless authorized via their software or hardware, but I hope I am wrong!
Thanks for the feedback! They are Beyerdynamic DT 990 open back headphones. Great for mixing, mastering, or editing. They will need an amp! amzn.to/40tPIfl In my other videos I use the Fostek T50MRP open back, which are also amazing and need an amp. amzn.to/3u7DBsc
Vr these days seems to serve only 2 markets: standalone midrange devices for a lower budget or enthusiast level 1600+ buck setup. theres nothing like a 2022/2023 index "2" around these days. in other words: if vr hardware were gpus: you would be able to get 4090 and 4080"tis", then 4060 or a 4050 SOC. no 4070 or 4070ti around, if you want xx70, you can only buy a 3070 or 2070
After my 3rd G2 died last night I ordered a Quest 3 and it arrived today. It's a pain in the ass to set up and without a link cable it looks like a bad cartoon. My cable arrives tomorrow. We'll see. My pc specs are definitely not an issue as I ran the G2 maxed with shadows and everything. The Reverb quality is just garbage and I just hope this lasts until I get my Varjo.
I think the reverb quality is great but also my perspective is different as I have been flying in VR since 2013. I still have the original Oculus Development Kit one! But I understand it leaves a lot to be desired. We’re headed in the right direction! I love the Varjo Aero. It’s an amazing headset but like others not perfect. Each has its pros and cons.
@@theVRpilot I was wrong!!! I just plugged my G2 into my non-gaming PC with a i9-9900k and 3080ti and it worked just fine. Out of the 3 G2s only one headset was bad. It's that dang 3090ti. The repeater that you have to use with it must have gone bad.
never had a vr headset and bought one of these and for some reason the moment the money came out i got huge buyers remorse so i cancelled. decided with the quest 2 instead so just need to wait for my money back xD
I do think the Quest 3 is better than the Quest 2 in many aspects, I also think the Quest 2 used for $150 or less is an insanely good value! They are being sold like hot cakes. With time hardware and software will improve but I think both are great value for what the offer. What do you mostly play or watch in VR?
@@theVRpilot never used it so have no idea. decided i dont need the latest thing with all the bells and whistles. i can guarantee myself the Q2 will still blow my mind. would mainly use it for racing and beat saber so seems ideal for me now i actually think before buying lol
If only the PSVR2 could hook up to a PC! Its my favorite headset but yeah limited by not being able to hook up to PC. Otherwise everyone would be buying one of the those. It does everything right. The adaptive triggers, rechargeable controllers, HMD haptics are amazing.
Sadly its basically the same thing without the god rays presented by the crap Fresnel lenses. In fact its actually worse than the G2 because it doesnt have a HDMI connector. The Meta Quest 3 is a JOKE. I should have known better than to trust Phuckerberg. Its going back and going to try the Pimax. The Q3 should sell for $99 not $500. Then get this, you have to pay a third party to get it to work adequately.
Not even close. The Q3 could have been amazing with a DVI port yes, but the Q3 looks way better than the G2. You hate on Zuck but realize they are investing billions into this industry and LOSING BILLIONS per year. Who else is doing that? Not MS, not Sony, not HP. Q3 is not perfect, but without their insane investment and push for VR allowing other companies to want a slice of the Pie we wouldn't be having this conversation. www.pcgamer.com/hardware/vr-hardware/a-decade-after-buying-oculus-vr-metas-reality-labs-losses-are-spiralling-out-of-control-with-no-end-in-sight/
I do agree that other cables work and have worked in the past, I presented the product that I used. and BTW these greedy corporations dont have to create these products, we dont have to buy them you vote with your wallet, and we are lucky that other companies make alternative products. But companies will charge what they want and we chose accordingly. Considering how MANY billions Meta/FB has poured into Virtual Reality I think you are failing to understand how much they are advancing the industry while LOSING billions. If they charge a set price to recoup some of the money, so be it. You say they are being greedy but they are a company trying to make money. It is what it is. Vote with your wallet and buy an alternative that exist, or support the company that has spent BILLIONS and LOST billions advancing a hobby that you like. Who else has spent billions in VR like FB/Meta? no one.
Buy it once but you never have to buy it again.... what horseshit. Send the product DESIGNED to connect to the PC with the effin cable. - a product that costs $550 to $700 dollars - thats a deal breaker
Absolutely they could but there other factors that you might not be considering. Consider FB/META is betting heavily on VR and it being part of the future and are leading the world with Research and development and how much they are investing into VR/XR etc. In 2021 they reported a LOSS of $10.2 Billion and in 2022 the loss increased to $13.7 Billion. They are not even PROFITABLE with the items they are selling hardware/software. They are trying to bring high quality and value for the consumer while recouping some of the money. Luckily there are alternatives if you feel that this price is to high and not worth it but considering they are one of the leading company bringing budget HMD to the masses, I am ok with supporting them when and where I can. Other times I choose to buy products that I prefer elsewhere, for example the BOBOm3 strap, I like that over the Meta battery pack pro. I still have my Oculus Development kit 1 from 2013. I have seen VR improve so much and most folks don't even know how rough VR was then. From my perspective I am happy to support the companies that keep bringing me value year over year.
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Great first impressions video Jose and it's great to see you posting content again. I've just had a fantastic 1 hour flight in the Quest 3. No doubt about it, if you have the GPU, it's a great display. SOOO smooth too using VD. My issue is most people won't have a high end GPU, and in this instance, they'd still be better off with a DP headset such as the G2 or Pico Neo 3 link. I wish I could keep flying but this headset is by far, the most uncomfortable headset I've ever worn. Meta really messed up here.
There are a few of us (including Get Your Game On and Sim hanger Mark) who can see SDE. I guess I'm just spoiled by the Crystal, Aero and Beyond now.
Great video and thanks for the shout out. Looking forward to seeing more!
Thanks Steve! Going to try VD now with your updated settings suggestion!
Thanks for the video. Question please. I have a 10900K/3090GPU and currently use the Reverb G2. I purchased the Quest 3 for Christmas after hearing from many pilots that the clarity is comparable with the G2. Unfortunately, I'm not finding that to be the case. Two issues; 1. Clarity of text on buttons or glass screens and 2. Brightness and colour is overdone to the point that nothing can be read on panels with bright light on them and colours are too saturated to the point that is looks very "gamey". In contrast the G2 is spot on with clarity and colour intensity. Appreciate any comments you might have.
you don't have enough GPU, I had the same picture, it squeezes the picture when going out into the lens
@@sprlpy318 you sound like you know what you're talking about...... on my HP G2, what software group should I be using in Aug. 2024, when I last used it last year I know there was a bunch of little software utilities (can't remember name of the little program in tandem with the Windows Experience or hmmm what was it called , Windows Mixed Reality or something like that, sorry for butchering the name
People forget that while the Reverb G2 hardware was made by HP, the software which is literally called Windows Mixed Reality was made by Microsoft. It is very normal that Microsoft Flight Simulator, which obviously was also made by Microsoft lol, is much more optimized for the G2. People also forgot that when the MSFS 2020 VR option was launched, it was exclusive to the G2 in the beginning. So I dont think it is surprising that it works better in the G2 than on the Meta headsets. However, people found a way to increase the bitrate in Quest headsets to up to 940 which is insane and apparently just gives the edge back the Q3 over the G2.
Great point. I also think that direct cable for the video feed helps out too lol.
okey. one stupid question: to get better VR experience with the quest3, you have also to activate OpenXR? or do I need OpenXR only for hp reverb b2/WMR? OpenXR is nice, but I have some problems with it compared to SteamVr. Motion compensation works not that great with OpenXR, in steamVr it is perfect. I want the nicest and most fluid experience for Automobilista 2, and I wonder if upgrading from reverb g2 to quest 3 would be a good step for improving sharpness and or fps
@mh7711 with MSFS OpenXR is the best. A youtuver named VR Flight Sim Guy made a tutorial and recommended with the Quest 3 to supersample the resolution in OpenXR Toolkit up to 3500. That worked very well for me, but it depends on your GPU. I have a 3090, and I supersample to 3400 and easily reach 40-50 fps with high/ultra settings, which is great. I never use motion reprojection with Quest 3. It is called ASW and has never worked for me. However, what I do is cap the FPS to 36, which is half of 72, and usually I have a great experience in MSFS and much better than the G2. I also use DLSS quality mode.
As for AMS2, unfortunately, you can't use OpenXR with Quest headsets. It forces it to go through Oculs runtime. The other option is to use Virtual Desctop and use OpenXR with it , hich is called VDXR. However, you don't have the high bitrate that comes with the cable anymore. For me, I use Oculus Runtime, and it works fine with AMS2 at full resolution, 80FPS, and medium graphics settings.
@@MegaIronicaokey thank you very much for the detailed answer, but yes I don't have to use OpenXR if the oculus runtime is as good as OpenXR. or even little bit better, additional better sweetspot. I have rtx 3090 and run 90 fps in ams2 with my hp reverb, but resolution about 80% only to get fluid 90 fps, it looks not really good. pushing resolution or super resolution to 150-200 % looks worlds better... but yes, perhaps in 2 years with a rtx 5090 (I will get immediately for sure)
@@MegaIronicaand I don't mean motion reprojection but motion compensation, I have a full motion Rig (simrig sr2) but in OpenXR the compensation is not completely eliminated in games. so when I press the break the scene moves in unnatural way instead of compensating, that sucks and I don't want to use OpenXR.
Thanks for the video! I came from the Rift S and it´s such a big difference and looks great now! I can read all the tiny text on the screens in the cockpit now in DCS. Running it on a 4080 with airlink and got 72 fps on the DCS counter with the airlink, DCS PD 1,3. Noticed, that the quality became much better after turning off DLSS, much sharper image.
It´s a great device as it´s not bound to the PC but can be used for other funny stuff.
I got the Q3 on release day. My only real complaint is the face padding. I had the Q2 for a few years (mostly used for flight sim) and the pad they sent out to fix the Q2 is pretty comfortable. The Q3 digs into my cheek bones and I have to keep moving it around in a never-ending attempt to find a comfy spot.
The image is good enough that I won't waste my money on anything more expensive. At least not for flight sim. Movies look great! 4k videos are pretty impressive to watch vs. my Q2s.
I agree. I find (actually) 4k videos now on the Q3 are amazing. So good!
@@theVRpilot what should i be waiting to buy, currently I have the HP G2. Sounds like the Q3 is not an upgrade enough to justify the cost according to the way you present it for MS2020 that is. DCS, I will keep that in mind since I am a DCS user too, I do both. thanks so much, i always enjoy your content.....if I hear your voice on a video, I immediately know who it is......yea, that's the ATC Guy!!!!!
Thx for your Vid Jose. And for championing the VR flightsim hobby helping it grow.. we need that.
With regards to reviewing headsets for MSFS use, I think YT's in generel are missing one key aspect.. Sure The rig that is used are important ofc. But all too often another important element are the kind and type of aircraft it is reviewed in. 3 tests should be made. Stock Cesna 172, Payware turboprop, payware airliner pmdg/fenix. These would give 3 very different reviews im sure.
Have had the Q3 for 10 days now, and must say im not happy with it. After buying face cushion, new strap, new battery life strap, HQ link cable, TP link dedicated router and the headset itself im $1000 down the rabbit hole. Not complaining, just saying its something to be aware of.
I have been through the simhanger and Steves settings recs, + tampered myself and so far im say at 70ish percent the quality and performance compared to the G2. I run a 139 +4090 rig so top notch there.
I DO however push the sim right to the edge with addons, peripherals, motion rig, vatsim and the Fenix A320 and that is where I feel the Q3 might be too weak. I see a lot of color bleed in text on displays making them harder to read. blown out whites when the sun is out. low quality of the clouds though they are set high. and I could go on. the sim looks like a vanilla version of XP11 outside tbh.
Im not saying there aren't a solution, just haven't found it yet but will keep tweaking, but compared to the G2 right now its not matching it in visual quality and performance. Side by side settings wise I am getting 23 fps in the Q3 (link AND cabled) compared to G2's 40 fps on direct side-by-side testing.
the Q3 is the headset I want to love... Have missed the UI and controllers since I left the Oculus 2 for the G2.
Love the lack of sweet spot hunting
Love the ability to bring windows EASILY into VR to chat with friends, read messages and just browser while in cruise.
Love the controllers and their build quality
Easy to take screenshots or vids and share with friends.
The freedom when not being cabled (longer flights needs cable to charge)
AND ofc my kids love it too, so don't see me getting rid of it again.
Just wish I could get the same performance out of it as I do with the G2. Im sure it has it under the hood, but is locked out of it due to the lack of direct graphics card input.
Im also sure it is up to par if you just enjoy flying "simpler" aircrafts and aren't a certified sim-nut like me :)
I will keep it around though, one never knows if a solution comes up.. (yeah, also tried fps and smooth flight add ons, they just throttle the sim down to much to work for me).
If you are looking for something that has the same quality and performance as you get with the G2 in the sweet spot, the Q3 ain't it if you want to fly complex a/c.
What's the name of the headphones you are wearing?
They are model number DT 990 Pro, by Sennheiser. Comfortable. Open back 250ohm headphones. I use them to edit content as well as listen to how my voice / audio levels are when I record.
Thank you for the great review. I'm looking forward to the setup tutorial video.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 thank you for the feedback.
I have a quest 2 and just got the quest 3 from best buy. The Quest 3 has one bright pixel, and mura is very visible when the brightness is turned up. Positives are the lenses are really sharp all of the way to the edges. I also was able to plug in a usb ethernet adapter into the Quest 3, and it works with Virtual Desktop. The passthrough and AR demo game are pretty amazing. The only issue I have in MSFS over link cable is some strange tearing at the extreme edges when moving my head quickly. I am going to do some in depth flying in DCS, MSFS and Flying Circus in the Quest 3, and then switch back to the Quest 2. If I don't feel a huge loss in quality when going back to the 2, i will probably return it.
The tearing went away when I lowered the render resolution.
Try having the Oculus software at 1.0 and 90hz (or 72hz depending on your Pc hardware) and then the in game VR resolution at 100.
Then start increasing things from there.
I found oversampling with the 12900k and 4090 did well, and I was able to get rid of the tearing but it just wasn’t as clear as I wanted it.
Mind you that’s with TAA, if I set it to DLSS it was wildly unusable in VR lol. Smooth, yes but it looked gross lol.
Didn’t notice screen door at all. Virtual Desktop works like a champ to stay wire-free.
Happy to Hear!
Happy New Year!
Steve's first impressions have largely been revised and he can get a clear image and good performance. I can also see the SDE effect quite clearly but it doesn't distract too much, colours are just not quite as solid as they might be, do some AB testing with your G2, look at light colours and you can see. From the performance in MSFS I'm getting better performance using Wifi than Steve is using cable (I believe). I've got a 2500 Mbps 6e Wifi router using VDXR in VD and I can tell you, although I'm using ASW and DLSS I can run Ultra settings @ over 3000 per eye and it looks fantastic. If it was a choice of buying a £719 HP Reverb G2 which is discontnued or the Quest 3 at £479, for me it's a no brainer even if you are a simmer. Only caveat for me is the comfort, the G2 is very comfortable and you do need an elite strap or one of the many third party solutions - be aware though I use a powered link cable, if you buy a headstrap with a battery pack, you can't use the link cable for data, you can only use a cable for proviing additional power - so you would be stuck with the Wifi solution.
are you saying the quest has better colours over the g2?
No I'm not @@oliverf944 . The colours and contrast for an LCD panel is good in both the G2 and Quest 3 but the SDE in the Quest which is more noticable on stuff further out can deminish how solid something looks.
Hey, good to see another enthusiast from Florida. I work at an FBO in South Florida, and have family in the Tampa, Clearwater area. Next time I am in town, we can hit Big Storm Brewery, and shoot the breeze about VR simming and gaming. I do want to upgrade from my Rift S to the quest 3. I do believe the clarity for the price is what I am going for. My only concern is I fly for hours, and want to be sure that the link cable charges the headset while plugged in. Can you answer that for me?
Very cool! For sure. Join discord and reach out to me there.
The link cable will NOT keep your charge long term, the PC does not output enough power. The headset is just a hungry machine.
When you consider even the Reverb G2 had its own dedicated power supply for the headset, its just too much draw and the USB cant transfer that wattage.
Solution?
Connect to the headset via Airlink or Virtual desktop whether by Wifi 6 direct on a wifi 6 router, or using Metas Dlink wifi6 hot spot USB hub, and then PLUG directly into the wall outlet to charge your headset.
Now the original cable might be too short, you might have to get a longer one.
Note- Quick chargers and more powerful chargers will also keep up just find, but part of the challenge of quick chargers is they increase heat as they charger faster, leading to reduced longevity imo.
Honestly, I rather quick charge and have more jusice going to the headset than having to worry about the headset not maintaining charge.
This batter issue is a big deal now and quite unfortunate for PC VR simmers.
Apparently the Meta 3 elite strap charges well, but again, its not a quick charger.
Hopefully this gets resolved soon, but it might be a long term hardware thing we just have to work around.
Now with all that being said, I LOVE the clarity of the Quest 3, way better than the G2 as far as FOV, sweet spot, and no fresnel lenses. IS it mind blowing? No, but yes lol. Its a great improvement and I would say, give it a shot, have a some solutions on hand when you buy the headset so you have time to test it and if it doesnt work out you can return the headset.
But the Q3 is great, and I love it.
Ill eventually have a video on MSFS and the Q3.
The cable is expensive because it is not just a copper USB-C, it is a hybrid fiber optic/copper cable.
Ah, thanks for sharing Mike. I didn’t want to rip it open and find out lol
6:40 what would be a better option for assetto corsa i think the g2 still looks better than the quest 3
I love both, but I love the G2 as my go to still over the Q3.
Awesome information, and thank you for the great video.
Thanks! I have to do an updated video, I think the Quest 3 has shaped up rather good especially if you have a more powerful PC. But also I am keeping my eye on the Pimax Crystal Light.
Hey just a heads up unless you mess with settings DCS runs openxr by default now irc
Thanks for that info! I’ll take a look at that !
really interested in a quest3,have a Rift-s,been using it for 4 years .How long is the battery time in the quest 3,while flying dcs etc...
Three reviews I've watched say there is mura and a screen door effect, yours is the second saying there isn't. I'm wondering if there are massive panel differences in the market right now or some are more sensitive than others to it.
Great observation and I wonder that myself. I’m going to look into this more. I do not wear glasses.
I come from 10 years of using VR and flying in VR, but yeah I mean screen door effect is just something I do not see.
Do I see pixels, I mean sure if I’m reaalllly looking for them.
But no way would I call that a screen door effect.
I wouldn’t think that’s correct or fair but that’s how I describe it, but I’m surprised to hear other folks say it’s there.
As for Mura I’ll look into it to make sure I’m understand it, but I felt it was minimal if anything.
Again, this isn’t a perfect headset but those pancake lenses do wonder and not having ugly god rays at night is so nice!
I've got a quest 3 and all the accessories sitting in my Amazon cart. I've enjoyed my G2 but cannot stand the Windows mixed reality controls. They are so cluncky and top heavy. I've been getting into VTOL VR and just can't do it anymore. Everything I've heard is the Q3 controls are great.
I agree, Quest 3 controls are great. Getting the headset configured has been plug and play for some and required tweaking for others but as time passes, many that have it love it over the G2.
Thanks for this. Currently considering taking the plunge into VR flight simming since I can no longer fly. This gave me a lot of good info. Thanks! New sub.
Glad I could help, I plan to do a video for new flight simmers. What questions do you have as someone new to VR flight simulation?
No questions right now. Those will come when it comes time to set everything up.
Great. ruclips.net/video/Hf6onSRSSrA/видео.html
I made a video on "how to see in VR".
Also I built a new simpit, which you can see in my shorts videos. I will have a video coming out on that soon. While it isnt necessary its a fun project and I recorded it to share with others. Also I didnt find any videos like that online and figured others would be interested. That video will come out soon.
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I don't have anything yet but want to get into VR for MSFS and being away from a PC. Sound like the Quest 3 is the way to go and hope it improves in the near future. Probably wait for Black Friday deals for now. Thanks for the video and perspective.
Not a bad idea! Lmk if you find any deals
@@theVRpilot I do not know how you can say the Quest 3 is not better than the Reverb when it is clearly the case. I have both and have double the fps with greater clarity on the Q3, and this with a 3080 Ti. I stopped watching the video after that statement.
Good for you man! Are you wired or running airlink? Does your Q3 continue to drain battery as you fly?
@@theVRpilot Running VD that you do not even mention, somehow. And I don’t ask you to mention VDXR because at that time it did not exist. It drains battery, that’s what batteries are for, but it can be avoided plugging the supplied mains. But I do not need it, I consider one or two hours enough of playing for those who have other things to do, which is probably 99% of the society, or it should be.
What did you mean with not for msfs? Is it that the fps is less? The. Latency is more? Or that the visuals are not BETTER than the g2? Are the visuals the same as the g2 with msfs?
I couldn’t really comprehend that from your video.
Also has the situation changed by now? Because it’s now 8 months ago.
@@faziolifairmont8125 I am overdue for an update video. In short, the Quest 3 is much better and my experience recently has been great.
For what it is, this is a great headset, WiFi 6 is the best option with virtual desktop and the better the GPU the better the experience.
@@theVRpilot i have 3060TI it's good for quest 3? i fly DCS
Is the WiFi deactivated when the cable is pluged in?
No, it shouldnt be. Wifi only gets deactivated if you use the VR air bridge by Dlink as it creates a direct wifi6 connection to it and then to your pc.
Oh, thats sad. i dont want to have WiFi direct at my head for hours.
Excellent video Brother!
Thank you! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Not a single review mentions the increased latency of the Reverb G2 compared to every other headset, yet that is its defining flaw. Conversely, one of the many superior qualities of the quest 3 is it's absolute rock solid positioning of the virtual world and virtual objects, in other words it has the lowest latency of any headset.
Very interesting. I have to say that I’ll pay more attention to this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I had other issues I guess that overshadowed the increased latency and I likely was taking it for granted but also distracted.
I have the reverb g2, the latency is (for me, who is very!!! sensitive to latency) only bad (and nearly unplayable for fast sim racing) only when I set it to 60hz. activating 90hz is much less latency, an extreme difference for me. do you share this experience with me or is even 90hz laggy to you?
Thank you Jose, after Steve's less than enthusiastic review of the Q3 i was rethinking purchasing it, now i believe I'm just delaying, new hardware requires driver tweaks. I'm thinking the Q3 is suffering from these initial growing pains. The performance in DCS cemented my belief that the MSFS issues will be dealt with, and that waiting for black Friday seems now more bearable.
You are welcome Sam. That’s a great way to look at this.
Now, I didn’t mention it or show it off much, but I will later, the mixed reality part is neat, and if you have a quest 2 and enjoy it, the Quest 3 is just that much better! I am happy I purchased it.
And I will continue to see if I can improve the performance through discord, Facebook and the official forums j
No Steve was correct. My friend got his today and said it is still not as clear as his G2 on MSFS and DCS, he did say it was a little better on DCS though. If you have a G2 it is not a step up. We have 4080's and like Steve was saying you would probably need to have a 4090 to get close to a G2 that is on a 3080. G2 on the 4080 is insane. I can see targets on the ground at 20k feet. My friend confirmed he could not see targets in the distance like on his G2. If you have a Quest 2 it is a no brainer though.
@@ComdrStewGood point, having a 4080/4090 pushing the extra pixels makes a significant difference.
We are getting closer tho! This headset is a step in the right direction!
@@theVRpilot Oh yeah it is in the correct direction. I just wish the link cable plugged into the GPU. I think BigScreen is the future of headsets though. Imagine BigScreen's small form factor headset with eye tracking, active cooling, a larger FOV, and passthrough. I mean it's FOV is the same as the G2 and Q3 already. Quest 3 passthrough looks groundbreaking for the price.
So the sweetspot is bigger than on the HP Reverb G2? I own the Reverb G2 and the sweetspot is extremely small, only the absolute middle is sharp, 10 degrees beside it becomes much unsharp. the old Pimax 5k was worlds better.
Yes the Sweet spot is much nicer on the quest 3. It’s huge lol.
@@theVRpilotwow, thank you very much!
Does the Q3 charge/power over the link cable? One of the biggest issues I had with my Q2 before going to the G2 was the power drama. Could only use a Q2 for a few hours before it went flat.
Hey, so I wanted to test it before answering.
What I found was I could do airlink and then connect my headset to the wall via a PD charger and my headset would not lose charge.
Apparently I think there is a Wi-Fi 6 bug that is causing issues for some folks using wireless but meta is working on it.
If I plug into the Pc for a direct connection it will absolutely drain.
There might be a solution of a usb cable that has power split from data like the Reverb G2 has.
I’m looking into that now.
Yeah this is the same issue I had with the Q2. WHen using the link cable, it dies in a couple hours. I searched everywhere for a split QC cable, but noone makes one.@@theVRpilot
@vRoulettes So frustrating. Such a misstep by meta.
@@vRoulettes Good news! some companys sell a cable inwhich you connect the quest charger to the little box on the link cable and it charges and links at the same time!
I was skeptical about the Quest 3 and PC gaming. It is really good. Like amazing with Virtual Desktop.
I agree! PC gaming is pretty good!
Thanks for the honest review Jose. I was hoping to upgrade from the Q2 for MSFS, but will hold off for the time being… let’s hope there’s a way of getting MSFS to run better 🤞
Msfs 2024 will be multithreaded
@@stachowi Yes! I can’t wait for MSFS Multithreaded !
I hope to find a solution as time progresses, and other folks will be using the Quest 3. But I wanted to try to set expectations clear after messing with it for 3 days, is it a clear cut upgrade now from Quest 2 for MSFS as your main focus?
Unfortunately no, but if you did want to upgrade because of the other headset capabilities you will totally enjoy it.
These are my first impressions overall, and I plan to keep making content! And I will continue to revisit MSFS.
I’ll do a whole flight in each sim and chat through it sharing my experience.
I have a Reverb G2 you can buy by it's 4 months old I sim race with it but have replaced it with a quest 3 because the lenses are much better and it works better for Assetto Corsa and ACC through CM and steam VR the reverb doesn't do so well in steam VR because WMR is pretty bad unless your playing a Microsoft title like MSFS and I don't play flight sims well hit me up if your interested hope this post doesn't get me in trouble but I putt the offer out there anyway
As someone with a 3080ti still and no plans to upgrade any time soon, would you recommend the G2 or running the quest3 with compression?
I have folks saying the Q3 still beats the G2, and I agree with DCS, but for some reason with MSFS it just didnt look as good. I am not sure why. It looks GREAT! But man, I keep coming back to the G2 and I have both. I have a 12900k and 4090, and I thoroughly love the G2 over my Q3 for flight sim.
Yeah I guess im worried about my 3080ti and ryzen 9 5900x not being able to support the Q3 to its full potential in games like DCS and the G2 just being a better pick in all games due to it. @@theVRpilot
3080ti is absolut very good with Q3 and G2. Runs MSFS 2020 and Iracing total butter.
@@theVRpilot The G2 has better resolution than Q3, I just hope HP comes up with a G3 soon since the G2 will be 4 years old in December 2024. I don't have a G2, but I will wait and continue using my Q2 and PSVR2.
What about IL2? I like WW2 sims and IL2 does that better than DCS for online play
Great Question, I suspect the Quest 3 would do well. I’ll try to add this on my list to check here soon
Used my phone charger usb for pcvr on quest 3. Don't need official cable
Awesome! My buddy said the same thing.
@@tykendrick800 oho!? 🤔And do you have a clear image !? 😯 is ur phone chargegr usb a 3.0?? 🤔
@@AlgerianFoxFoot picture is more clear than the reverb g2 even without connected to pc. I already did a side by side test with both. And yeas the image was perfect. Any modern usb will work. Trust me
I've had 2 quest 2's with dead pixels. Not going with them anymore
So far my oculus/quest headset have been great, but I’ve heard of the issue your taking about.
@@theVRpilot the problem is, they're only visible on a black screen. However, I primarily play Elite Dangerous, which is a space sim, so it's always black.
The OTHER video i have been waiting for! 👀👀👀
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Is the problem with msfs related to framerate and smoothness, or visual fidelity? Steve did say that MSFS looks amazing if you have a 4090 and running godlike mode using VD. In which case it was as good as the G2 visually. This was on the mixed reality podcast with Sebastan.
Great question!
Frame rate was amazing, 90hz butter smooth. In game FPS was locked at 45, so yeah it was so smooth! A real treat.
My struggle was with the visual fidelity.
Now, I am going to reach out to Steve and his discord group and see what they suggest.
I did not run Virtual Desktop, but will do that next and post a video sharing how my experience is once I check for the best settings.
But yeah, DCS was significantly better and looked amazing. The intro of DCS where your next to the Mig or SU27 plane, I forget, is mind blowing. Everything was crystal clear. At that point I knew it was the way MSFS is processing that is affecting the end result for us in VR.
But I do have a 4090 and I’ll try VD over the next few days.
@@theVRpilot Thanks! Look forward to your next videos!
which vr headset should I choose if I will use it with a PC at the moment, I have a 4080 video card, I need a high-quality picture for sim racing (I didn’t have a vr headset before and I don’t know how it will look or like it) thanks for attention.. vr headset up to 600 dollars
Quest 3, you have pretty much no choice anyway.
I found that really helpful. Just have to save some $ now to get the Q3 :)
Glad this was helpful. Let me know how you enjoy it!
MT DCS uses OpenXR built-in mate.
Awesome! I have been running it lately and its been great !
I just bought a dedicated Wi-Fi 6E router for virtual desktop connection on my Q3… can you use the Dlink adapter out of the box? Or do you have to install sidequest software
Do you have a msfs settings guide?
Which router do you have?
I decided to purchase TP-Link Archer AXE75
The Dlink Adapter is surprisingly simple to setup. It’s pretty much plug and play, I struggled more on getting the headset to connect with the cable, due to my USB PORTS.
buys a standalone headset to play seated? wired not over DP? this is for sure an ad
I have the Quest Pro, Quest 3 and the G2 and both Quests are better than the G2 in MSFS for me, although it took me a while to dial in my settings with the Pro when I got it last year.
I use the cable, with encode bitrate set to 500 in the Oculus debug tool, sharpening set to normal, distortion curvature low.
I don't use the OpenXR Toolkit as that conflicted and created some extra sharpening that made it look a bit stencil like.
I the Rift app I have the slider all the way to the right, 5408 x 2896.
In the sim I use TAA, render resolution set to 115, I think my Steam render is set at 150.
In Nvidia settings for MSFS I set Anisotripic to x16 which forces LOD bias to clamp, which seems to reduce shimmering.
I also keep AMD's FSR quite low in the sim, around 40 as it doesn't look good sharpened.
My guess is you have some sharpening from NIS or FSR conflicting a bit with Meta's own sharpening.
It looks great for me, although I prefer the Quest Pro because of the local dimming and contrasts.
I can't stand to use the G2 any more, it's like having a tiny cone of circular clarity in the centre about 30 degrees across, and being almost legally blind outside of that. Pancake all the way!
sounds like i should wait for the next gen of VR and hang on to the G2, at least for now. thx
I just got mine tonight and am not happy so far. I won't have a link cable until tomorrow and was just using airlink. I just bought this because my 3rd G2 died last night and so far it's not looking so great. I was sick of the tiny sweet spot on the G2 also.
@@baaamakingbaaaa The Sweet spot can be adjusted
@@baaamakingbaaaa give it a few days, there is a learning curve to setting up Link as you have to set the encode bitrate, resolution width, display curvature and other factors yourself. I ce you learn how to do it you'll get much better results.
My computer doesn't detect my oculus 3. and the Oculus 3 doesn't detect my computer either. only by Air Link. Does anyone know how to solve it? I want to play MSFS and I can only via Air Link but I think it looks terrible, there is a lot of vibration. I have the Original Oculus cable and a generic cable. doesn't connect with anyone
Luis, did you solve this issue?
So you confirm Steve that the Quest 3 is not the go to VR headet if you got the G2. Fun so see more VR pro peeps in MSFS2020 test this all out berfore the massas go buy it. Hope you don't have any dead pixels in your Q3 that Steve got in many and he has his 5th Quest 3 already!
Sven! No dead pixels here, lol, but man, it just isnt up to par but it isnt the headset its MSFS! DCS looks AMAZING. Its wild how difference it is!
@@theVRpilot So to make it more straight. Quest 3 in DCS is much better than the G2?
@@vfragos I think so, yes. Putting aside the mixed reality benefits, the pancake lenses really are excellent, if you bump up the resolution in either DCS or Oculus (or both) just a bit, you end up with an amazing crisp image, edge to edge clarity.
The other benefit is reduced muira and virtually 0 fps rays.
The increased FOV is minimal but I do think it’s nice too for what the headset is. I find myself less distracted by it the “toilet paper roll effect” across all sims.
I’d be curious if you have the opportunity to try it to let me know your thoughts. Best Buy in the US has them where you can try it.
Maybe local stores by you might do that too.
@theVRpilot Thank you so much for your impressions. What is the problem with msfs regarding the image? I live in EU but I was waiting my pre-order of the 128gb model to be delivered tomorrow but sadly Amazon and Ups lost my package and now I'm waiting when I will be able to get it on my hands. I'll to know my impressions when I get it.
got q3 to improve gaming experience :) I hope Apple device will support games..
Even with my criticism of Q3, I absolutely love it. I have a feeling Apple will restrict external use unless authorized via their software or hardware, but I hope I am wrong!
will the Quest 3 work with OpenXR ?
It does via virtual desktop
great video!, what's the headphone your using?
Thanks for the feedback!
They are Beyerdynamic DT 990 open back headphones. Great for mixing, mastering, or editing.
They will need an amp!
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In my other videos I use the Fostek T50MRP open back, which are also amazing and need an amp.
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Vr these days seems to serve only 2 markets: standalone midrange devices for a lower budget or enthusiast level 1600+ buck setup. theres nothing like a 2022/2023 index "2" around these days. in other words: if vr hardware were gpus: you would be able to get 4090 and 4080"tis", then 4060 or a 4050 SOC. no 4070 or 4070ti around, if you want xx70, you can only buy a 3070 or 2070
After my 3rd G2 died last night I ordered a Quest 3 and it arrived today. It's a pain in the ass to set up and without a link cable it looks like a bad cartoon. My cable arrives tomorrow. We'll see. My pc specs are definitely not an issue as I ran the G2 maxed with shadows and everything. The Reverb quality is just garbage and I just hope this lasts until I get my Varjo.
Give Virtual Desktop a try, airlink is a complete buffoonery.
Solid advice, I will also try this. Airlink was disappoint with MSFS.
I think the reverb quality is great but also my perspective is different as I have been flying in VR since 2013.
I still have the original Oculus Development Kit one!
But I understand it leaves a lot to be desired. We’re headed in the right direction!
I love the Varjo Aero. It’s an amazing headset but like others not perfect. Each has its pros and cons.
@@theVRpilot I was wrong!!! I just plugged my G2 into my non-gaming PC with a i9-9900k and 3080ti and it worked just fine. Out of the 3 G2s only one headset was bad. It's that dang 3090ti. The repeater that you have to use with it must have gone bad.
@@baaamakingbaaaa what CPU do you have on 3090TI system?
Accepted Jose's referral
Hey thanks!
never had a vr headset and bought one of these and for some reason the moment the money came out i got huge buyers remorse so i cancelled. decided with the quest 2 instead so just need to wait for my money back xD
I do think the Quest 3 is better than the Quest 2 in many aspects, I also think the Quest 2 used for $150 or less is an insanely good value! They are being sold like hot cakes.
With time hardware and software will improve but I think both are great value for what the offer.
What do you mostly play or watch in VR?
@@theVRpilot never used it so have no idea. decided i dont need the latest thing with all the bells and whistles. i can guarantee myself the Q2 will still blow my mind. would mainly use it for racing and beat saber so seems ideal for me now i actually think before buying lol
@J03130 haha. Good call. Yes Quest 2 is great. I’m keeping mine!
If only the PSVR2 could hook up to a PC! Its my favorite headset but yeah limited by not being able to hook up to PC.
Otherwise everyone would be buying one of the those.
It does everything right. The adaptive triggers, rechargeable controllers, HMD haptics are amazing.
Reverb G2 is a pepper spray for your eyes 🤣
Lol why
@@theVRpilot I feel it after owning Quest 3 despite quest 3 has low stereo overlap problem
Basically this video told me nothing, except some conclusion. Lacking all analysis.
I will take your feedback into consideration, thank you for sharing it with me.
"If your gonna be doing other stuff" 😉
😂😂😂I meant play beat saber lol
lol@@theVRpilot
Sadly its basically the same thing without the god rays presented by the crap Fresnel lenses. In fact its actually worse than the G2 because it doesnt have a HDMI connector. The Meta Quest 3 is a JOKE. I should have known better than to trust Phuckerberg. Its going back and going to try the Pimax. The Q3 should sell for $99 not $500. Then get this, you have to pay a third party to get it to work adequately.
Not even close. The Q3 could have been amazing with a DVI port yes, but the Q3 looks way better than the G2.
You hate on Zuck but realize they are investing billions into this industry and LOSING BILLIONS per year. Who else is doing that? Not MS, not Sony, not HP.
Q3 is not perfect, but without their insane investment and push for VR allowing other companies to want a slice of the Pie we wouldn't be having this conversation.
www.pcgamer.com/hardware/vr-hardware/a-decade-after-buying-oculus-vr-metas-reality-labs-losses-are-spiralling-out-of-control-with-no-end-in-sight/
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I need to get my hands on it.
Is that what you are considering?
$80 for a cable. If it’s not a ripoff I don’t know what to call it! Stop feeding greedy corporations folks.
I do agree that other cables work and have worked in the past, I presented the product that I used.
and BTW these greedy corporations dont have to create these products, we dont have to buy them you vote with your wallet, and we are lucky that other companies make alternative products.
But companies will charge what they want and we chose accordingly.
Considering how MANY billions Meta/FB has poured into Virtual Reality I think you are failing to understand how much they are advancing the industry while LOSING billions. If they charge a set price to recoup some of the money, so be it.
You say they are being greedy but they are a company trying to make money. It is what it is.
Vote with your wallet and buy an alternative that exist, or support the company that has spent BILLIONS and LOST billions advancing a hobby that you like.
Who else has spent billions in VR like FB/Meta? no one.
HAHhAA 4090 FS.... FIRE STARTER....
LOL, yes it is.
Buy it once but you never have to buy it again.... what horseshit. Send the product DESIGNED to connect to the PC with the effin cable. - a product that costs $550 to $700 dollars - thats a deal breaker
Absolutely they could but there other factors that you might not be considering.
Consider FB/META is betting heavily on VR and it being part of the future and are leading the world with Research and development and how much they are investing into VR/XR etc.
In 2021 they reported a LOSS of $10.2 Billion and in 2022 the loss increased to $13.7 Billion. They are not even PROFITABLE with the items they are selling hardware/software.
They are trying to bring high quality and value for the consumer while recouping some of the money.
Luckily there are alternatives if you feel that this price is to high and not worth it but considering they are one of the leading company bringing budget HMD to the masses, I am ok with supporting them when and where I can. Other times I choose to buy products that I prefer elsewhere, for example the BOBOm3 strap, I like that over the Meta battery pack pro.
I still have my Oculus Development kit 1 from 2013. I have seen VR improve so much and most folks don't even know how rough VR was then.
From my perspective I am happy to support the companies that keep bringing me value year over year.
4090 12900k club lol j/k
Meta cable SUCKS!!! IT WILL FAIL..! the cable has to be capable of 5gbs... anything less you are screwed
Dang dude, sorry to hear mine hasn't failed.
MSFS 2024 is around the corner, I got hands on time with it check it out!
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What’s your biggest concern with the Quest 3?
Let’s chat on discord!
discord.gg/WKfJqJBwYb
MFS 2020 don't work for any VR mfs 2020 worst terrible game play in VR
Hey Sorry, not sure what you mean? Are you having trouble with MSFS in VR?