I have done six sessions and it was the hardest thing I’ve ever done but I am living life life of my dreams 2.5 years later. It was like hitting the reset button. I had to work hard to rebuild my life but it was worth it, it did save my life.
I’ve done ECT I had them 4 times 6 sessions each. I suffer from major depressive disorder and bipolar disorder along with generalized anxiety disorder I’m now raising 2 children and am a single mother
I was given 13 treatments of ECT for depression. I ended treatment a year ago since I didn't feel I needed it anymore and this year I have been the most stable I've been in over a decade. I can honestly say ECT saved my life, and I refuse to be silent about the lifesaving benefits of ECT. ECT was, as is should be, the last resort. I had determined if it didn't work I would kill myself since I had completely given up after nearly a lifetime of dealing with mental health issues. I am by no means cured of all my mental afflictions, but I am able to live again.
I have had electroshock myself, I have had 30+ treatments in a period with a week gap between each treatment. I dreaded the first treatment - not the ECT itself, but the anesthesia. On the 5th treatment I peed the bed during the treatment. I was really tormented by my illness before the treatment. I did not get the treatment under duress, but was offered it by the head doctor. After the first treatment, I couldn't really tell if I had gotten better or worse. But, after 3-4 treatments I could clearly feel an improvement. And today, 4 years later, I am grateful for that treatment.
Contact the Baum Hedlund law firm in CA if you have had ECT. National suit around devices used in ECT. We have medical malpractice interest now as well. See videos on RUclips under ds electroshock to learn about this. Every procedure is an acquired TBI with systemic risks to include ALS and CTE.
I had ECT treatment combined with meds and I have to say it didn't work for my depression. Doctors said it would not affect my memory too much but I forgot a lot of things that happened in my life before that and my memory is still not good. However, I met people that felt better after ECT. For me though, it didn't have the effect doctor expected. Not even a month after, I was in a psych ward again. Even though it didn't work for me, it helps millions of people in the world and I'm happy for each one of them. I appreciate that you raise awareness about topics like mental illness and even ECT because it's still something that people judge. Thank you
I personally have had ECT Therapy for my severe case of catatonic psychosis 5 years ago now. I've had About 15 sessions in total. The biggest drawbacks for me were my affected memory and decreased mobility. After a few years now I'll just have to cope with the fact I lost a lot of memories. Childhood memories, intellect and mental capacity were most affected. Only my memories can't be trained. I also noticed after a couple of months addressing my muscles felt like I was 80. I noticed it when I, for the first time in my life, tried to ride a hoverboard in a sports store. Something trivial to a young man. But I had a lot of trouble balancing, my muscles didn't do what I wanted them to do. They just needed to be stable. That was almost impossible then. I also lost about three years of skiing skills (three years is three vacations/weeks of course). My parents said the therapy helped a lot. They almost instantly saw improvements. They would sure have felt glad, but for the longest period I couldn't. All by all I'm glad I'm not as sick as I used to be, even if I'm still using some strong medication. That's story on it's own. I do feel glad now. even if it took me two years to feel that way.
Ruben Aders that’s terrible, I’m so sorry you had to lose so much for it to work. I constantly live in the past so if I lost my memories, my world would end. Regardless, I’m glad you’re feeling better now, even if it was hard to get here
I once met someone, a relative of a relative of mine, who was once an investment banker and then worked as an analyst for a big bank. She got ECT to combat her depression. After many treatments the only outcome was that she lost most of her childhood memories and couldn't think straight anymore to the point where she couldn't work. It basically ruined her life. I'm not saying that ECT will do this to everyone, but you should never downplay the serious side effects of something, no matter how amazing it may seem.
neslef3 yes, that’s true! My mom was sign off for those treatments and it almost ruined her whole memories, got dyslexia, got multiple fractures, and some of her internal organs until today don’t work as they should, even tho she has always been a pretty healthy person
I’m just saying, trouble concentrating, memory problems, and other cognitive problems can be symptoms of depression. So there is a chance that some of what she has experienced since is just depression that never improved/worsened?
It's okay for me I don't care if I lost my memory. I got nothing to loose, I'm overwhelmed with past depression, childhood neglection. I can't go to work or study or focus anything because of this. I lost my girl, I lost my dreams. People often avoid, even from my family. I feel sucide. I don't want the old past rule over me. I need a ECT
@@gabrielrodriguez6157 memory problems are not a symptom of depression. forgetfulness or confusion are. not losing memory of last 5 years of your life. DO NOT SPREAD MISINFORMATION. this treatment is horrible. the order in which you should proceed if you are diagnosed with severe depression: 1. SSRI 2. other antidepressants 3. antidepressants and sedatives 4. cocktail of different antidepressants 5. psychedelic drugs (MDMA, LSD etc.) - not legal in most places, but worked for many who didn't have other choice .................... 100000000000000000000000000. ECT ECT: - works in only 50% cases, and even then mostly in combination with antidepressants (so would it even work without them?) - makes you suffer tremendous memory loss - leaves you in pain - causes organ failure - leaves you incapacitated in performing every day tasks if they told you TV you're buying has 50% of chance of working, would you buy it? but you will electrocute your brain, with only 50% chance of that curing your disease? and in those 50% cases, they are still not mentioning the side-effects. it is ridiculous that this treatment is legal.
I had my last ECT session last May, it completely changed how my brain forms memories, but it worked! It was like a miracle, but i can't talk about it because people have their opinions on something they've never gone through. It was so hard to go through, I wish people would just be happy for me.
I play these videos for my students - only a handful appreciate them. Most of them complain, roll their eyes, etc. Maybe it's not the teachers at your school that are the problem.
@@shravyac5778 personal responsibility has become a rare thing for many students. I don't think I've had one student this year admit they are the reason for their current predicament. I've had many blame their circumstances, other people, etc. Unsurprisingly, none have yet to correctly self-identify the real problem. In order to correct your situation, you must first acknowledge the problem and then seek a solution. Personal anecdote - I took a few classes in college taught by less than stellar professors. I went to the lectures of other professors that I felt were better. I watched classes posted online by MIT. I wanted to learn, so I did. Contrast that with the typical student that shuns Khan Academy or makes outlandish and inappropriate comments towards presenters like Tyler DeWitt - all because they abhor learning. The current climate/culture of celebrity worship does not mesh well with excellence in learning. There will always be teachers that you don't like, but ultimately you are doing yourself no favors by letting your own opinions/prejudices determine the outcome. You will be much better off if you can learn to self-examine objectively.
I had ECT 3 years ago and despite its controversy (and parents’ fear), it greatly helped my severe depression. My mood was extremely low, didn’t respond to meds or therapy, and suicidal thoughts. It’s nothing like in the movies or One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest - it’s painless. It did take some time for my symptoms to improve but I didn’t have severe memory loss. The only bad thing about my ECT experience was how arrogant and absent the doctor I initially consulted with was.
Misleading title, the truth is we do not know why it works,period. all those it didnt help still are left with the side-effects. its a last resort not a solution.
I’ve been doing ect since january of 2022 and i’m glad i am, i’ve been able to stop taking one of my medications because i no longer need it and my bi polar is in complete check, this is the first time in 4 years that i have had relief in my bi polar.
My brother checked out ECT after this TED. He was profoundly depressed with bi-polar and had tried all meds. It took him a fair # of treatments but profoundly improved his condition. 10 months on he is doing great. No meds and doing great. Living his life again vs not able to get out of bed. Yeah, there’s some side-effects but deep depression is more awful by far.
I was offered theis treatment for severe depressions and PTSD. I said no for a long time. At one point I was so depressed I couldn't think straight, they got me to agree. I received 10 ECTsessions. It had absolutely NO effect, and to this day, years later, I have huge gaps in my memory. I can't think as fast or as good anymore. People should be aware that this can have serious side-effects!
My mother told me they used to do that to her when she was in foster care. She had a horrible childhood. She moved out of her hometown away from family, it wasn't until she started taking us to visit that she started to remember some on the things that went on. I think it's a temporary fix to a life time of issues
Could you do "The truth about LASIK" too. Many people including me would want to know more about it. Most sources on the same are either too difficult to understand or leave out loads of info.
Even though it could be beneficial, it has plenty of shortcomings. I'd like they talk about improving vision naturally, which is getting broader, and it's getting scientifically accepted. That's the future of vision improvement I'd say.
@Unbreakable Patches 1. An animated video of what exactly does the laser sent in the eye do to cure myopia, hypermetropia and presbyopia. 2. Is it safe. What are the side effects or what damage it could cause? 3. Requirements to get it done Mainly pt 1 though.
@Unbreakable Patches I know the structure of cornea and the working of lenses. It was wrong on your part to assume I didn't. Thanks for the info though.
I have had ECT treatments 3 times. 6 sessions each. They blast away my bipolar depression. It was a last resort option and I am lucky that it works for me. Around the 3rd session, I start to feel my sadness and heaviness lift. I have had no horrible side effects. I began treatment because I was a fan of Carrie Fisher and she gets ECT. I get upkeep treatments yearly. I would rather go get ECT than go to the dentist. You go, you can do outpatient. You get in your hostpital gown, get an iv put in, your wheeled into a room on a gurney bed, they give you anesthesia and you wake up wondering if it happened already. You can be home and napping in like 2 hours. I know that a lot of people have had bad experiences. It is not for everyone. But it saved me and Ive seen it happen to others. I don't know why it works. Something with seizures? I ironically take an anti seizure medication for my depression. Who knows. Read Carrie Fisher's book on it, Kitty Dukakis has a book on it- do research on hospitals. Some hospitals have wards just for ECT. Vanderbilt in Nashville does. It is certainly a last resort but at that point no matter what happened, I didn't care because I just wanted to be dead and living was exhaustive and hurt. Will I lose my memory with time? Probably but it zaps my depression away which kicks out my anxiety and life is livable again.
"I began treatment because I was a fan of Carrie Fisher and she gets ECT" Carrie Fisher died 2016 at only 60 years old. And she still gets ECT? By the time you wrote this, Fisher was dead since 4 years. Please dont recommend any medical threatment to others. You should become a member of some crasy church instead and settle with that.
I had severe memory loss and was unable to function in my work and even remember streets in my suburb. It is years later and I still have gaps in my memory and it feels like my brain turned into an Ementaler cheese. It set me back
@@ahmedfraz8324 I have permanent holes in my memory because of ECTs. I also have ataxia-where I suddenly lose the ability to remember a certain word. It’s frustrating and embarrassing; I’m a highly intelligent person……. Talk to many people before you decide. It may have become better controlled in the last 25 years!
I've had good results using ECT to treat my depression when medicines failed. Aside from a headache the day of, and sometimes the day after, it's been a game changer for me.
@DeeDee Please keep us posted! I may have to go this route. Did you try TMS first? I am pursuing this at the moment, but may have to try the ECT if this doesn't work. Thanks!
@DeeDee Not yet. I am dealing with my insurance company is will cover next to nothing for it. I live in Bermuda where mental health benefits overseas is next to nothing. Very sad. Please do keep me posted! Best of luck to you
I care for my severely depressed husband who is obsessed with planning his suicide. He is drug resistant so his doctors recommend Ect as the last resort. We decided to try this despite of short term memory loss which we should try to treat by some means afterwards. I would rather a forgetful husband than be a widow 🙁
Hobbes Hobbiton that stigma arouse because we don't know what ECT is doing, and that's a dangerous thing! ... we had a similar case before in psychiatry with lobotomy
I had ECT in 2017, it saved my life. My memory of that month or so isn't perfect, no other long-term side effects though. I understand I'm extremely lucky, just wanted to share that it really can do a lot of good.
Ahmed, I suffer from chonic depression too for 6 years now. I'm sorry to hear you are struggling with it too. I have found something that helped me alot to understand more deeply what I am experiencing. 2 names: Daniel Backler and Gabor Maté.
My good friend’s daughter has suffered severely with SMI beginning in her late teens. No exaggeration, she tried to take her own life 11 times over the course of 8 years. No medications, behavioral therapies or in-treatment centers could help her. About 5 years ago, she tried ECT. At 1st it was 2 times a week, then once a week, and then eventually, it dwindled to twice a month and now once a month. She has even had months where she could skip it entirely because she is familiar enough with her disease, she knows when she needs to go in. She’s 31 now and engaged to an awesome man who also gets ECT treatments. They met in a group therapy session. Both are employed and maintain perfectly healthy lives. Of course they admit to still having ‘off’ days but they absolutely swear by the success of this treatment. It’s frustrating that movies and general society has demonized it so much. When administered properly, ECT can literally save lives.
I had 19 sessions and it changed my life, my brain. I would be dead if it weren't for ect curing me. It reset my brain/erasing my neuro connections and during these sessions I went to therapy 3x a week to create good coping skills and thought processes. It made me open to know what was my behaviors and thoughts vs my chemical imbalance. Later I got prescribed Lithium (I'm bipolar) and I've been 100% mentally well ever since. I recommend ect, despite the memory loss and side effects. It works.
@@Devni2002 don't worry, Ariana, it really does help! It might give her small side effects like headache or dry mouth which are annoying. But it's really effective and SAFE!!! the doctors, crnas and nurses work really hard to ensure a safe, non traumatic procedure. It's over in 5 minutes! :)
@@Malaowieczka996 i am suffering from severe ocd and anxiety my mind is tormenting me currently taking meds from past one month havent seen any change really suffering😔
I'm starting my second round of ECT in two years. I hope it goes better this time. The headaches after treatment before were unbearable and I still have major memory loss, but my overall mental health has been much better.
I wish you the best of luck. I've had to undergo a few rounds myself, but I am now back to work, and have been stable on just meds alone now for a full year. Something that is a big change for me. Talk to your doctor about the headaches and/or any nausea after treatments as they can give IV medications (Toradol and Zofran) pre-treatment to help with them.
@@jonathanclouse7139 you are right I want to remove my past memories, it only fills me with sad, depression, suicidal thoughts. Not telling much. The lost of girl I loved, The lost ones, Negligence, Humiliation, And other. I also suffering daydreaming which is maladaptive disorder. These are affect my jobs, other works and study I can't focus it. I want to forget them. I try on my own but I can't. When I was age 17 I attempt to suicide several time. My relatives try take me to mental hospital, doctors suggest me to take some ect. But my parents refuse and take me back to home. Now I'm 25, I'm still suffering depression. There is nothing good in my past. So i don't want to let them ruin my present.
@@jonathanclouse7139 How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects...plzz let me know..I am suffering from depression for four years
@@ahmedfraz8324 It's still used as punishment in many mental wards around the globe. I've seen it with my own eyes. ECT was created by sadists, as majority of people in mental health field are, and it's still being used without no research or scientifical evidence at all. At this point, they are like, let's just give you a traumatic experience, like an electric shock to the brain and see if you forget what causes your depression/psychosis/mood disregulation.
ECT turned my friend into an emotionally dead zombie. She used to go to swinger clubs, party, laugh and smile. Now she can't even remember who she used to be. No initiative, not much emotion, dead facial expressions. It's horrible to watch, because she's the numb one, while I had to watch a personality die slowly.
After my first and only section of ECT, I slept an entire day and started having a lot of problems with my memory (I started having problems finishing sentences while talking, forgetting how to write some words wich I always used in texts, not remembering names...) wich I have to this day. I hope no one else suffers with this symptons after the treatment.
@@AudriusAlkauskas depression came back and I was diagnosed with autism; turns out, the psychiatrist made a mistake by misdiagnosing me with bipolar disorder and the need for electroconvulsive therapy. I'm fine with the new meds as they don't mess with my memory nor my speech pattern. The side effects from ect however are long gone and the only thing that won't come back is some memories from far back in my memory brain card
After I gave birth to my son at 18 I experienced postpartum psychosis and I was in the middle of getting diagnosed with bipolar disorder I was offered ECT but turned it down. Luckily medication has saved me
As a medical student, I was fascinated when I first saw this wonder treatment which could very well pull a patient from the grave depths of suicidal depression. We really need more awareness about it as this well may be the final choice that one may have at life
My Dad was hosptilased for a year with severe depression after a serious suicide attempt. No Medication or therapy ever worked. ETC was the only thing that made any significant difference in helping his depression.
Back in 70s, my dad did some practice study in asylum while he's studying psychology. He saw the patient that given this treatment just changed into empty vessel after it. Very traumatizing experience just to watch it, he told me.
@@cupofjoen There must be another way. I have MDD severe, recurrent w/ psychotic symptoms. But even as low as I value myself, this treatment is too extreme. There is no scientific basis as to WHY it even works. That's scary.
@@sunshineyrainbows13 we gotta learn to love ourselves. Unfortunately at my age (19) it's kinda too late if I have to learn to love myself since it was my parents job to teach me (but they didn't, I'm from broken home). So, to learn to love myself, I need to start from zero again. Goddammit.
It would be interesting to see if a placebo treatment of ECT would result in similar results. I mean you are knocked out for the procedure. You wouldn't know that your brain was hit with electricity or not. The pure concept of thinking you had your brain fried with the hope and expectation that you went under this crazy therapy could, in theory, change your personal outlook on life without you even actually have received the treatment in the first place.
GREAT video, TedEd! I had 6 rounds of ECT in 2008, and it absolutely saved my life. I was so badly lost into a major depression and nothing was working. I wasn't able to take care of myself or my children. After the 6 sessions I had, I was a new girl! I do have some memory loss and can be a little bit forgetful occasionally, but those are my only side effects. Now I'm a successful healthcare provider and a clinical educator as well! I'm living my dream life, so happy and healthy. ECT isn't for everyone, but it is an option that can save lives.
@@MissPurdy730 sure! So in the beginning it was more severe. I had both some long term memory loss and difficulty with short term memory. I had no memory of my son's first year of life at all, which was really hard. But, over the last 5 years or so, I've gotten a good amount of that memory back! I am still missing parts of it, but what's more important than having memories of him as a baby? Him having a healthy mom there for him NOW that he's 13 years old. My short term memory loss is more like me just being airheaded and forgetful at times now. Where the heck did I sit my car keys? Where are my glasses? Why did I come into this room? Although I'm not sure how much of it is ECT and how much is me being in my 40s lol. My kids (13 & 15) know they have to remind me of things a few times if it's gonna stick with me. They help me find the things I misplace. But otherwise? That's pretty much it! I'm a healthcare instructor, nurse, and EMT. All of my licenses/certifications are current, I practice medicine (and teach it!) on a daily basis with absolutely no problems whatsoever. It's interesting, with the exception of not remembering my child's first year, all of my memory loss seems to be stuff that doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things. With regard to my occupation, my knowledge and skills are sharper than ever. Pretty amazing to think that 12 years ago I couldn't even get out of bed, care for myself, or care for my children.
"We still don't really know why it works... but since 50% and 'maybe more' subjects said it helped them, we'll keep doing it despite the memory loss." Who uses a statistic like that? Seems like a treatment modeled after the shotgun in the way that it floods the brain with impulses in hopes that some unknown target gets positively affected.
A colleague of mine told me about a patient who came in a state of full on rigid body "arching" catalepsy. Unresponsive to any medication. The man was basically one rigid arch of muscles. After one ECT session - the man walked out of the hospital.
@@jarls5890 somebody once told me that if I ate many banananas I would rejuvenate, the guy claimed a friend of his worked in an asylum where an oldman started to ate bananas and became strong AF.
I can listen to each Reader/Narrator's voice all day. It's so relaxing and the reason why I binge watch. I get to listen to a relaxing voice *and* learn information!
ECT has ruined the life of my partner due to the side effects. After researching this treatment, much your info is inaccurate. There are many which have been severely and adversely affected by this treatment in recent years. much is due to doctors that don't follow correct procedures because of the confusion and lack of knowledge of how ECT affects the body. I bet if we look into funding on this "lesson" we can find the companies trying to sell this as an at home product are very involved.
I was in the hospital about two years ago because of my depression. I have 12 ECT treatments and it didn't seem to help. Actually, my memory has gotten a lot worse and I felt just as bad as I did before. I'm not saying don't get ECT, I'm just saying that it works differently for everyone and be aware of the side effects.
aw man :( I received ECT for a few months around 3 years ago and it completely destroyed my memory to the point where it was doing way more harm than good and I stopped. Short term memory loss sucked for sure but it was super scary losing memories of the previous years and that was definitely worse. I sort of forgot who I was, and what I liked, and even who I was friends with, to a point. All of that I had to rebuild, for better or worse. Hearing stories, seeing pictures, visiting formerly familiar places, all helped me gather fragments of the memories lost. The administrating doctor, in response to my complaints, affirmed that memory loss was not an unexpected side affect but that it was not entirely irreversible, and that they would return somewhat exponentially as I began to fill in the gaps. To an extent, this has been true, but man was it damaging, and there are still a lot of memories from childhood and adolescence that are still lost and perhaps gone for good. !! I don't share this ton rag on ECT,, its helpful to around 50% of the people who receive it which is great!! However, Dr. Farell did sorta breeze past the long term memory bit and it uhhh sucked and still sucks
It is strange how ECT is described as a generally safe treatment, but at the same time comments on how the therapy severely impacted the memory of some patients are alarming and unfortunately, I had difficulty finding trusted sources that mention it. Do you know where I can find more information about the subject?
@@ahmedfraz8324 I'm in maintenance phase as of right now and It has definitely been worth it. It's not a cure all but it has improved my quality of life significantly.
@@ahmedfraz8324 They put you under anesthesia and for me anyways the side effects are minor. But I can't say I relate because I wasn't really afraid because the depression was so bad that I was willing to try anything
I had it recently (last one this monday), 6 in total, it worked great on my MDD and partial PTSD, worsened greatly by this whole virus situation, I was barely sleeping and eating at the end
@Audrius Alkauskas I do ECT once a week, at first it gave me headaches but I told the doctor that and he gives me stuff now before ECT that changes that, the only other thing is memory lose but it isn't that bad
Pardon my english) What a bunch of nonsense. A propaganda film, I was once in an open department of a psychiatric hospital and I met people after ECT. Everyone was like zombies, indifferent, apathetic. They could not focus even on the simplest tasks within the framework of rehabilitation, such as painting Christmas baubles. They shook their hands, smashed the baubles on the floor. They talked about how they had to learn about their family after ECT because they did not remember them. I am expressing this conclusion that due to ECT man loses his identity, he is no longer himself, he is something else. It's like killing a man and introducing the soul of someone else into his body. A barbaric, cruel method is nothing but legal torture. The very fact that in the Soviet Union ECT was commonly used to erase the memory of uncomfortable people, and in combination with psychedelic drugs they made obedient dolls with which the criminal regime could do what he wanted. Never disagree with ECT! After ECT, your self-awareness dies, in other words, as if you were dead. So what can they help? You will not experience this improvement because after using ECT in your body there will be a "different man".
as someone who has received ect it is pure torture, and their methodology is flawed as the after care is highly suggestive and patients are traumatized and conditioned by ect to give certain answers. E.g. making them numb so they score lower on a depression test, but that is because their actual feelings of depression are repressed because a new trauma is introduced. ECT is sadistic and an example of where science fails. No doctor would ever voluntarily take an ECT to test whether it's safe. If you wouldn't do it to yourself you also shouldn't do it to your patients
@@dljve After an ECT session, I was wheeled back into the main corridor of the psych ward, and left there for anyone to gawk at. I hadn’t even fully woken up yet. One memory that I will always remember because my father heard about it and did a formal complaint. I had no way of getting anyone’s attention until a good friend walked by and asked me why I was there. It was her who told my dad, and angrily stomped to the nurses’ desk to get someone to wheel my bed back to my room so I could recover in relative privacy. I don’t remember much about it myself except waking up without knowing why or where I was. My dad managed to get a settlement from the hospital…..
IMHO it's not responsible to do a "quick talk" on one of the most dangerous medical procedures there are and not cite any source/papers/data of any kind. A quick look at the comments will let you know that most people just eat your videos up as truth and probably don't care to do any research. Regardless of the actual effectiveness and potential of ECT (which I believe to be quite real), it's a very delicate subject and something that clearly should only be attempted as a last resort. It'd do good to further explain WHY there's such a negative stigma about it - its dangers are real and quite unpredictable (yes, even today). You shouldn't make an impressionistic video about such a highly controversial and delicate topic without being extremely thorough and impartial - otherwise you might risk alienating your audience, in a way that might be potentially damaging to some. or am I alone in thinking this lol
It does get the conversation going. It's hard to say where the balance is between getting things moving and forcefully directing its trajectory. Maybe Google will get on board and check out the comments.... They (OK, the algorithms) are the ones directing conversations, right? I do agree with you, though. This needs more than a quick touch. Links in the dooblydoo on something like this should be a bare minimum. That wouldn't be forcing any horses to drink. Thank you for bringing ethics into the education conversation. We as a species seem to think that all learning is good, and then scratch our heads when things go haywire. There are a great number of people who don't know how to process information to a productive (non-)end, and those of us who kinda have the hang of it can't figure out what's going on.
That might be a good idea actually, it would be great if they can add a list of references to each of their talk, including those on history, basic sciences and social sciences. Maybe you can start and show them the rope? I think it must be a big task to cover a large and divisive topic for a less than 5 minutes videos while putting it in plain language for the general public. Sounds like it's certainly sparked a conversation
If you're so annoyed at the lack of sources go do some research yourself...the literature is fairly undivided on ECT (spoiler alert: it's arguably the safest and most effective option for treatment-resistant depression). IMHO, with recent developments like unilateral, ultra-brief pulse ECT--I think it should be a first-line treatment. Unfortunately, all the treatment options for mental illness are fairly lacking and the risks and side-effects of psychopharmacological treatments are grossly understated.
I understand what you're saying. And in truth I would tend to agree with you. However I must also say that if some people deem that a 4:24 minutes video is enough to understand a subject without going further and do some research and don't see that these videos are made to give to their audience general ideas on several subjects, and in the process start a conversation, then they're idiots in the first place lol
I have MDD, chronic anxiety and OCD. I have tried SSRIs, Benzodiazepines, CBT, PHP, TMS, and Esketamine. Nothing works. I feel that I may eventually commit suicide if all else fails. I cannot fathom living out the rest of my life this way. One procedure that I haven't tried yet is ECT. Of all the methods of treatment that science offers today, that is the one I fear most. I may have to rethink my understanding of it and give it a try. The alternative is a lifetime of mental anguish.
As a nursing student, I got to see 8 patients go through this yesterday. Many were on their 6th-12th treatment and openly discussed how great it had been for them when nothing else had worked. When I was told what happened to the patients and saw them in active seizer, I was really concerned, but I left the hospital with a different opinion. This is extremely beneficial to a large number of people.
I was hospitalized for SEVERE clinical depression in 1985 and 2003. On both occasions ECT worked well for me and I was able to return to my normal healthy life. My doctor in 1985 told me not to be surprised if sometime in the future I would need to come 'into the pit stop' for another round of treatment. He was right. Depression plays tricks on our mind by "telling" us that the severe emotional PAIN will "remain for the rest of out lives". Depression is a liar. I was a crisis line volunteer for 2 years in the late 80's.
"ECT make a difference when ALL ELSE fails." However, in today's healthcare it's a big money maker making it a 'go to' much sooner than it should be. It will definitely change someone often NOT returning someone to their very pleasant, (before -depression), former self. That person /personality may be gone forever.
@@rebeccab1064 What do think? My own eyes and ears!!! After, 32 medically abusive treatments approved by her doctor and miserable husband (after she told him she wanted to leave and divorce), she NOW struggles to keep a thought in her head or put together a sentence when speaking!! Get your head out of the clouds, Rebecca.
Depression medication can have severe personality impact. I'm glad that you say that she's regularly meeting with her caregivers to monitor the effects, but you should ask if you can go sometime as well. It helps to have family input on the effects of the medication.
I underwent four sessions of ECT in 2017 for Schizoaffective disorder and man do I regret it. I would wake up after and not remember where I was. The doctors said it was temporary side effect. It's been two years and my memory is so bad it's hard to function. I've read four different doctor/ counselor notes on me and they all say I repeat things over and over again. Do not get ECT done! It's not worth it
Apparently people with epilepsy are way less likely to suffer from the more common mental illnesses like depression, anxiety, and ADHD. Memory is a huge loss, but with trying medication until something worked, I died for a few seconds after a severe allergic reaction. My parents were so used to me switching medication every 3 months or so that it was incredibly lucky my mom remembered the name of my newest medicine so they could save my life. I would give up so many precious memories for a better chance of decreasing my suffering than going through medicine after medicine and therapist after therapist of nothing working. You have to have that proven track record of therapy and so many medicines not working for a health care provider is willing to suggest ECT. Unfortunately, when I got to that point I was transitioning into adulthood and there is so much financial management I need to learn before I can return back for more sessions. I am so willing to take the risk even though I know I could possibly die from this as well. It improved my symptoms so much with only half the treatments I was recommended and I hope it will help even more when I can finally finish them
It's very alarming the number of things that are given the "green light" when there is so little understanding of it. I'm sure it helps lots of people, but the fact that no one knows why is pretty suspect.
i mean, no one really understands why anesthesia works the way it does. are you suggesting we should stop using that simply because we don't understand it, when the benefits of anesthesia have absolutely outnumbered its side effects?
I've had 10 ect sessions done half a year ago (I'm 19) which didn't lift my severe depression for long enough time but I at least stopped having hallucinations, so I would still consider it a success. I still suffer from memory loss here and there and about 2 or 3 months after the treatment I had horrible problems concentrating and felt less intelligent but that's mostly gone by now. Honestly the experience wasnt too bad.
An amazingly positive video for a treatment that came from doctors experimenting on vulnerable people and psychiatry has no idea why it works (like pretty much all of the biological interventions in mental health). I love this channel, but sometimes they really dress up conjecture as fact
I especially love "mild electronic signal". If it was so mild, it would not induce grand mal seizures. Think getting punched in the head by Mike Tyson...
@@tool_fighter ... Uh... That's not in any way similar... Catastrophic blunt force trauma V/S exterior electric introduction to the nervous system. Nope. Not speaking to results, just saying... One of these things is not like the other
Conjecture? Like the research and development to show the positive outcomes of modern ECT? You just hear what you want to hear. Try to think critically for once
I have multiple mental illnesses, and I asked my psych about Shock Treatments and she said ECT will make my psychosis worse. Instead she gave me a little alpha stimulator shock therapy device. You clip electrodes to your ears and wear it for like an hour a day. It's supposed to work so good you can stop taking some of your meds. I hope so.
I did 18 ect treatments, and i felt a little improvement with no long term side effects. I also saw several people, who recovered from it completely. Still,ect has its risks, and so does untreated severe depression. I talk about all of that in detail on my channel
@DeeDee Are you still on a wait list? Why is there a wait list? Asking because you're the only comment I've seen at this point who mentions Bipolar not depression.
@DeeDee did you do this, i was diagnosed w bipolar 2 a few months back and am on seroquel and prozac, but its been 4mo since ive had peace or joy. I took zoloft and it set me into really bad manic racing thought mode and still trying to recover, my psych brought up ect
Depression is a real illness not something one can snap out of depression can ruin families and take the lives of our young people I believe one should do what works for them so I'm sending prayers out to all those suffering from depression
The doctors said "there would be a NEW you. A very different one because there would be no more extreme mood swings and depression". I freaked out after that session and never come back again.
About 8 years ago I went to a pysc ward for trying to kill myself. I meet thus sweet older lady who tried killing herself 15 times. She was told since she was there was so much. She HAD to go through ECT and she would cry about it so much. When they started her on it she would come back unable to speak, move or remember anything. She looked as white as a ghost and every time she did it. She looked more dead. She changed but in a bad way. She would hardly talk or do anything when she recovered, witch would take hours. I was so terrified that I swore I wouldn't try killing myself again in fear I'd be forced to as well. I felt so bad for her because she wanted to die not be physically and mentally tortured by a bunch of hack doctors. Don't believe everything you hear on the internet. There are plenty of reasons why ECT should be banned in all country's. Its inhumane and sick for anyone to even consider doing it to any living creature.
@@husseinbazzy8294 It was done at a very rich hospital, They wouldn't hire just anybody there. Its psychopathic to strap anyone down and electrocute them. In any other context it would look like I'm talking about the death plenty in the states. There's a reason why they got rid of it because it can be easily botched.
@@husseinbazzy8294 What exactly is the correct technique? How many milliamps do you need, exactly? How small is the step from a therapeutic current to a damaging current? How can they be sure about the path the electricity is going to take? Ever seen a Lichtenberg figure? Do they test cognition before and after the procedure to rule out brain damage?
@@centralintelligenceagency9003 I really don't know... I am only saying that "maybe" the technique could be helpful if administrated properly but the problem is that there is a lot of research to be done yet to really have a good grasp of the whole process. I am neither pro nor anti this technique. Just like anything else it does need research. Afterall, insulin coma were used to "heal" patients with mental illnesses. Today, insulin is what keeps me alive.
@@husseinbazzy8294 And that alone makes the use of this treatment scandalous. We know exactly why insulin keeps diabetic people alive, why antibiotics cure bacterial infections that would have otherwise killed us, and why chemotherapy harms cancer more than it does the patient, but ECT, and neuroleptics for that matter? "It just werks", the proponents holler, and they appear to be satisfied with that answer.
I just woke up from anesthesia after my 8th round of ECT. Its starting to work and I am currently on 8 medications as well. It is not like it is in horror movies.
Which doesn't prove anything, or say very much. If you think it is so harmless why doesn't the doctor administering your "treatment" have a few himself? They are all so sympathetic to you, right? You DO realize don't you they are making a ton of money giving your brain a charge...which is not what your brain was evolved to handle?
@@leomarkaable1 Well first of all, I live in Norway and it is free for me to be hospitalised and have the treatment, so they don't gain anything more by me having the treatment then if I didn't. Second, if it ain't broke don't fix it. I wrote another comment on here updating on the progress I have. There is no need for my doctor to take it himself if he can function properly without it, which I did not. I was 90% bed bound, unable to eat or do anything, I could barely listen to music, watch movies or series because of too much stimulation. I showered 1-3times a month and my average step count a day was around 100, which was back and forth to the bathroom. Now I shower every other day, I eat and cook food, I help cleaning the house, I take walks 3 times a week. My psychiatrist wasn't even sure if it was depression that made me so sick because it was so bad, but after the treatment I'm better, I've had 10 rounds. I'm still depressed but I'm on my way to recovery
@@leomarkaable1 did you mean they saved people from depression? Try this. If your children work as a psychologist and ECT practitioner, wouldn't you be offended when someone said that your children milks money from patient instead of saving them?
@@ouh8759 i think because this is such an unknown as to why it works it would be hard to say. I have known others to forget everything in the past 2 years besides me getting treatment with them. Though, after ECT i was more receptive to medication and CBT. Dedinitely a last resort.
As someone that's had dozens of ECT treatments in a row i highly recommend against it! As it might help some for me it made everything worse and even threw more problems in the mix. I have had multiple doctors tell me they fried my brain with these "modern" ECT treatments. If i could go back in time i would NEVER do it...I have lost so much because of these treatments...so many memories...so many holes. Don't do it! They want just want to fry your brain and hope you forget about your problems, just like medication tries to make you forget, but never helps the source. Just a band-aid...with serious consequences.
Western Medicine is at its wits end in dealing with depression. I don't think anyone wants fried brains, they just really don't know what else to try. I'm so very sorry that it didn't work out for you. Please keep telling your story, and if you can, tell it to your care providers.
I too experienced retrograde amnesia from my ECT treatments, which has caused many issues in my life. However I do know it works on some people. But is it really worth the risk of losing your memory is what I question
@@juisee36 I suppose it would depend on how bad the depression is. Those with depression so bad that they have lost their will to live and/or have attempted suicide and is not relieved by meds or counseling...Would perhaps welcome any hope of relief despite the posibility of side effects.
I love how the ECT does to people with a psychological problem like me. Even if I declined ECT just before my treatment date because I was careful about my memory---the love I had for my mother till this present. :)
I've been taking antidepressants for two years now. I'm a lot better now than I used to be when I started the treatment, but I still feel sad, numb and overwhelmed by every task, have strong thoughts of self-loathing and my mood changes quite drastically often. The medication worked in the beginning and still works to mitigate my symptoms, but now I feel stuck in a place in which I neither get better nor worse. Is it time for me to try ECT?
My wife tried 10 ect treatments for depression and saw no positive outcome from the treatment. But she did receive permanent scarring on her tongue from biting her tongue during the treatments multiple times. The main symptoms of receiving ect treatment that we found. She had regressed to the mentality of a 13 year old for about half a year afterward and also had severe memory issues for about 2 years.
Very interesting. I wonder who came up with the idea to shock people's brains to help relieve symptoms of depression and why they thought it was a good idea.
FireBow the scientist who discovered it noticed that his patients who later developed a seizure disorder had improved outcomes from catatonic schizophrenia, and other psychiatric illnesses.
I think it was when they first discovered that human neurons work through electric and chemical stimuli. So they started studying the chemistry and treating mental illnesses with chemicals (drugs), and some wanted to treat them with electricity as a way to "recharge" the brain and restart it in some way. That's what I'm assuming.
Actually, it was first used on animals before slaughter. They noticed that it "stunned" the animals and made them more "docile." The information in this video might be true to some degree, but here's the real scoop: www.cchr.org/ban-ect/the-truth-about-electroshock/the-birth-of-ect.html
My 23 y/o son is going to have ECT therapy soon and honestly I'm really scared but it's the last resort for him to have some quality of life as he is diagnosed with major depression with psychosis plus autism spectrum plus a tourettes disorder called coprolalia and he refuses any medication anymore, which never worked well anyway and made him gain over 100 pounds and almost became diabetic. Reading the positive results that others have experienced with ECT is very comforting and hopeful though.
ECT is the last resource when everything else failed. The fact that it works half of the time is still good news. Medicine is to advance and find out other treatments for that other half.
You realize that first-line medication alone doesn’t even work for half of cases right? An improvement to normal life for HALF of patients with Major Depression is beyond a good result.
Do the half of us that it helped not count? Considering most first line treatments for severe psychiatric disorders don't work half of the time, I'd say half is pretty good. I'm SO grateful I was in that half that was lucky enough to be helped by ECT.
I'm going on 9 years of diagnosed depression (though I believe I have had it for many more years). I have asked and asked about ECT but no doctors agree to prescribe it to me. I don't know why. And only one hospital in my whole city does it. It's really discouraging, especially when most info I found online about it are positive.
I had about 13 ECT sessions at Johns Hopkins. I did not find ECT very helpful at all for me personally. I had some success with it at first and felt significantly better, but that only lasted for about a week or so. I had some significant short term memory loss, which was expected. It's been a month or so since receiving the treatments and I'm basically back to where I started, but still with some mild memory loss. It did, however, somehow drastically improve the problems I had with my jaw joints for years. They used to pop and click and be generally stiff and sore, causing tension headaches. For some reason, it went away for the most part after a couple ECT treatments. So that's something I guess. But I'm still extremely depressed and I've also tried dozens of antidepressants and other medications. Pretty hopeless at this point.
It's the depression that makes you feel like it's hopeless but it's not. There are hundred different types of antidepressants, so even if you tried a lot there are still a lot that can potentially help you. I hope you get better!
Don't listen to anyone. I believe you tried everything you could. I know how frustrating it is when you try everytging and still deal with chronic depression. Your situation is real, and it is not gloom. I would love to talk with you on my experience and how it may help yours.
I went through 10 ECT sessions a few years ago and it's awful. It messed with my brain, my memory and thought process were never the same since then. It also messed up everyone I knew went through it too and was staying in the clinic with me back then. It gave me a little reset as it's said, but the costs are just too high. I had much more better experiences and results later on, getting that kind of reset too but in a whole different and much lovelier way with healing plants and natural medicines. Wish no one that reads this gives it a try. Please let us stop this nonsense and go back to connect with our roots and natural ways of healing. After all, none of these technics have ever actually healed anyone anyway.
ECT can be credited with pulling my mom out of a psychotic depression, but my mom was never the same after that. She had some abnormal psychological condition afterwards that nobody’s really got a name for it but it’s like it took all of her psychological conditions that she had underneath the surface and then made them very permanent in her in like an exaggerated way and so she’s just been screwed up and messed up ever since I was 10 years old. At least I got to know her before she got screwed up but it’s always been a loss of some sort and my little sister has never known her to be any other way it’s really unfortunate
@@BOBDMRI can’t tell you’re mocking me, but I guess you are. ECT destroyed my mom and turned her into a permanently disabled human being. It lifted her out of her psychotic depression violently and left her permanently disabled. She was never the same person for the rest of her life. I’d have preferred they let her have the time to come out of it gently over time somehow. This video is status quo propaganda IMHO. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
I've been battling depression and anxiety issues for 5 years at this point with limiting success. I've been to the mental hospital a couple of times because it's gotten so bad. Both times I stayed for quite a while too and then did outpatient programs even after. Traditional meds usually made things worse or barely helped me and therapy while helpful for sure still wasn't enough. Exercise probably helped me the most and journaling was a good help as well. Along with using mindfulness to cope with extreme negative emotions but I was at a point where I felt like I was just surviving and not thriving in anyway. Everything was so difficult to do and life felt unrewarding and like a big burden to be honest. Like a chore, not a gift at all. I had been dealing with my mental health issues for so long that I had just kinda learned how to live with it after a while and almost forgot alternative more pleasant states of consciousness were even possible. All that being said I started ECT last week and have done 4 treatments so far and it is by far the most helpful treatment for depression I've ever done. I was trying to do ketamine treatments as an alternative but that all fell through but I'm glad I decided to give ECT a try because it's almost like magic how much it helps, especially when compared to how little everything else helped. Like I actually find joy and enjoyment in things again. Everything doesn't seem like a chore anymore and the sky doesn't feel like it's always falling. The only thing that's came even remotely close to helping on this level was psychedelics but that's not something one can easily find in a controlled setting for treatment of depression. ECT is the best option one has right now for treatment resistant depression so if you're thinking about it definitely go ahead and talk to a provider and see if you qualify because in my experience it's worth it! I hope many others suffering from mental illness are able to experience the relief I have from ECT!
I also have anxiety i had alot of pain in my chest and belly after doing 3 treatments of ECT the pain was gone but now i have constan tension headache pain 24/7 of the day its ruining my life :(
@@Furkan-dq1pf I'm sorry to hear that. There is a lot of possible negative side effects that can happen with ECT. I was fortunate enough to not experience any but I will admit I'm young and physically very healthy so I wasn't exactly at as high of a risk as some. I only did 6 treatments total because even though I didn't experience any negative side effects my Dr. didn't want to risk it. Unfortunately not everyone will take to it as well as I did. TMS is an option and I've done that as well. It's kinda similar to ECT in how it helps but it doesn't share any of the negative side effects. It does take longer and require more treatments to work but you aren't put under anesthesia so you can go about you day like normal after the treatment. Also another alternative treatment is ketamine. Spravato which is basically just nasal ketamine is approved by insurance for an alternative treatment for major depression when conversational methods have failed. You can also do it at treatment center where they do it intravenously like at the hospital but that's not cover by insurance and insanely expensive. Although it is more effective. Best of luck, hope you're able to find a treatment that works for you
If all you think you have is traumatic memories, you might appreciate the trade in. Though there is *so* much to be learned from trauma. I'd hope the people who remember it will brave their memories and find a way to use their voice, and get paid for it.
Trust me, if it meant that you couldn't get out of bed, care for yourself, or care for your children... You'd trade some memories. You don't lose all memories. I'm missing a few from my past, but the majority of them are still alive and well! And, I'm healthier than I've ever been, 12 years after my last rounds of ECT. It saved my life. I am missing a lot of the memories of my son's first year of life. That's sad, and yes it bothers me a bit, but what's way more important than that is that now at 13 years old he has a healthy mom that's there for him. People who receive ECT aren't looking for a "feeling of well being"... they're trying to survive severe mental illness when all else has failed.
@@ThatClinicalInstructor true, but looking at what happens to people who continue to be forced to have ect for many years of their life - they are not human anymore. it would be better to be dead.
@@amandacar5679 forced? We don't really force anyone to do anything anymore in healthcare. I certainly wasn't forced, and every patient I've transported via ambulance to an ECT appointment wasn't forced either. In fact, my patients always had a similar reaction that I did - they were grateful to finally find something that actually helps after trying everything else and failing. ❤
Right now, I am low. Today, I got out of bed at 1:00 pm. Then I ate breakfast. I forced myself to shop for food. It’s been a depressing day. Someone today told me that ECT helps people. Although I find it scary?????
Pls do not fo this to urself. It's not worth it. Mediate, travel, exercise, meet new people, draw. This are the best ways to cure depression. Stay away from these doctors. They dont know what they are doing
@@singstreetcar5881 have you been diagnosed with major depressive disorder? I just can't imagine someone who has would seriously tell another person to travel, draw, and meet people to cure their depression. People are literally unable to get out of bed and you tell them to travel?
@@rancidfangs yes, travelling and a change of environment is a better cure for depression than running electric currents thru ur head, and taking dangerous drugs from doctors who dont even understand the side effects of these dangerous drugs.
I have been suffering from severe depression, anxiety. I can’t stop my mind from having suicidal thoughts. Just one thing that stops me is what if I fail, the fear of being the family joke, and also being burdened with more pain and a disfigured face is stopping me. I have tried all kinds of therapies and medications for the past 4 years. I am thinking I should take up ECT. Should I? Please comment your genuine views, that will help me to shape up a decision.
I´m in the same kind of situation, even tho most of my family is very supportive. I don´t know should I try it or not. I am afraid I will lose part of my memories or get serious complications..
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I have done six sessions and it was the hardest thing I’ve ever done but I am living life life of my dreams 2.5 years later. It was like hitting the reset button. I had to work hard to rebuild my life but it was worth it, it did save my life.
What side effects did you have? Was life somehow harder after treatment?
My psychiatric doctor wanted me to do this. I'm glad you're doing great
I’ve done ECT I had them 4 times 6 sessions each. I suffer from major depressive disorder and bipolar disorder along with generalized anxiety disorder I’m now raising 2 children and am a single mother
I am also curious about this and the difference between TMS ,
If anyone got info feel free to inbox me or reply than you
@@Muck-qy2oo what's mean multiwave oscillator?
I was given 13 treatments of ECT for depression. I ended treatment a year ago since I didn't feel I needed it anymore and this year I have been the most stable I've been in over a decade. I can honestly say ECT saved my life, and I refuse to be silent about the lifesaving benefits of ECT. ECT was, as is should be, the last resort. I had determined if it didn't work I would kill myself since I had completely given up after nearly a lifetime of dealing with mental health issues. I am by no means cured of all my mental afflictions, but I am able to live again.
I also can only say good Things about its Just light pain in the head after U Wake Up...
Feeling very grateful for you! All the best!
How have you been since?
I have had electroshock myself, I have had 30+ treatments in a period with a week gap between each treatment. I dreaded the first treatment - not the ECT itself, but the anesthesia. On the 5th treatment I peed the bed during the treatment.
I was really tormented by my illness before the treatment. I did not get the treatment under duress, but was offered it by the head doctor.
After the first treatment, I couldn't really tell if I had gotten better or worse. But, after 3-4 treatments I could clearly feel an improvement. And today, 4 years later, I am grateful for that treatment.
Contact the Baum Hedlund law firm in CA if you have had ECT. National suit around devices used in ECT. We have medical malpractice interest now as well. See videos on RUclips under ds electroshock to learn about this. Every procedure is an acquired TBI with systemic risks to include ALS and CTE.
I can’t imagine how scary it was for the first volunteer to receive electro convulsion therapy.
UNLEASHING POTENTIAL - PSYCHOLOGY VIDEOS LOL volunteers
@@mickeythemaltipoo3756lol i laughed so hard
It's very likely the patient was facing extreme depression and would dare to try anything to alleviate the symptoms.
and how brave
@@mickeythemaltipoo3756 Exactly! Just like those "volunteers" at Unit 731...
I had ECT treatment combined with meds and I have to say it didn't work for my depression. Doctors said it would not affect my memory too much but I forgot a lot of things that happened in my life before that and my memory is still not good. However, I met people that felt better after ECT. For me though, it didn't have the effect doctor expected. Not even a month after, I was in a psych ward again. Even though it didn't work for me, it helps millions of people in the world and I'm happy for each one of them. I appreciate that you raise awareness about topics like mental illness and even ECT because it's still something that people judge. Thank you
Have you forget traumatic events
Where did you get this procedure done?
@@jasmineshk1924 unfortunately no but i forgot lots of the stuff that happened during that year when i had ect
@@adallie in a psych ward in slovakia
You are a wide-hearted person to be able to judge things fairly even though it didn’t work for you
That’s like slapping the TV remote so it works again
charging the batteries
@@kay1426 don't they have a chair for that? Perhaps you should try it.
its not as like u r thinking
Or desensitization of the frontal lobe connections so it slows down connections.
Better... It is like cutting someone's arm with a chainsaw and scientifically proof that the pain in that arm has been cured for 90% in all cases.
ECT is like the medical equivalent of “Have you tried turning it off and turning it on again?”
seems legit
It’s much worse than that.
@@aikaterineillt9876 its not even bad
Yeah, and when the "computer" is shut off, all the stuff that's stored on your RAM is permanently wiped along with random chunks of saved data.
@@FolstrimHori that's a good thing to some people.
I personally have had ECT Therapy for my severe case of catatonic psychosis 5 years ago now. I've had About 15 sessions in total. The biggest drawbacks for me were my affected memory and decreased mobility. After a few years now I'll just have to cope with the fact I lost a lot of memories. Childhood memories, intellect and mental capacity were most affected. Only my memories can't be trained. I also noticed after a couple of months addressing my muscles felt like I was 80. I noticed it when I, for the first time in my life, tried to ride a hoverboard in a sports store. Something trivial to a young man. But I had a lot of trouble balancing, my muscles didn't do what I wanted them to do. They just needed to be stable. That was almost impossible then. I also lost about three years of skiing skills (three years is three vacations/weeks of course). My parents said the therapy helped a lot. They almost instantly saw improvements. They would sure have felt glad, but for the longest period I couldn't. All by all I'm glad I'm not as sick as I used to be, even if I'm still using some strong medication. That's story on it's own. I do feel glad now. even if it took me two years to feel that way.
Ruben Aders that’s terrible, I’m so sorry you had to lose so much for it to work. I constantly live in the past so if I lost my memories, my world would end. Regardless, I’m glad you’re feeling better now, even if it was hard to get here
Sorry you had to deal with that but I hope you can improve yourself.
A friend of mine forgot all of the songs she knew.
Thank you for sharing, you're very brave
thanks for sharing
I once met someone, a relative of a relative of mine, who was once an investment banker and then worked as an analyst for a big bank. She got ECT to combat her depression. After many treatments the only outcome was that she lost most of her childhood memories and couldn't think straight anymore to the point where she couldn't work. It basically ruined her life. I'm not saying that ECT will do this to everyone, but you should never downplay the serious side effects of something, no matter how amazing it may seem.
neslef3 yes, that’s true! My mom was sign off for those treatments and it almost ruined her whole memories, got dyslexia, got multiple fractures, and some of her internal organs until today don’t work as they should, even tho she has always been a pretty healthy person
I’m just saying, trouble concentrating, memory problems, and other cognitive problems can be symptoms of depression. So there is a chance that some of what she has experienced since is just depression that never improved/worsened?
It's okay for me I don't care if I lost my memory. I got nothing to loose, I'm overwhelmed with past depression, childhood neglection. I can't go to work or study or focus anything because of this. I lost my girl, I lost my dreams. People often avoid, even from my family. I feel sucide. I don't want the old past rule over me. I need a ECT
:( I want to tell him I'm so sorry
@@gabrielrodriguez6157 memory problems are not a symptom of depression. forgetfulness or confusion are. not losing memory of last 5 years of your life. DO NOT SPREAD MISINFORMATION.
this treatment is horrible.
the order in which you should proceed if you are diagnosed with severe depression:
1. SSRI
2. other antidepressants
3. antidepressants and sedatives
4. cocktail of different antidepressants
5. psychedelic drugs (MDMA, LSD etc.) - not legal in most places, but worked for many who didn't have other choice
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100000000000000000000000000. ECT
ECT:
- works in only 50% cases, and even then mostly in combination with antidepressants (so would it even work without them?)
- makes you suffer tremendous memory loss
- leaves you in pain
- causes organ failure
- leaves you incapacitated in performing every day tasks
if they told you TV you're buying has 50% of chance of working, would you buy it?
but you will electrocute your brain, with only 50% chance of that curing your disease?
and in those 50% cases, they are still not mentioning the side-effects.
it is ridiculous that this treatment is legal.
I wish I could thank that nurse in real life for being so brave and fighting for others. A true medical professional right there
I had my last ECT session last May, it completely changed how my brain forms memories, but it worked! It was like a miracle, but i can't talk about it because people have their opinions on something they've never gone through. It was so hard to go through, I wish people would just be happy for me.
Why didn't the doctor who shocked you volunteer for a few? Wouldn't that make it really special?
I am happy for you!
I am happy for you that it was so successful. God bless.
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects...plzz let me know..I am suffering from depression for four years
It's a risky treatment, a Russian roulette.
I wish ted ed lecturers visit my school and show my teachers the true art of teaching
Ohho!😂😂😂He won't
You know, Ted Ed is created by students. You could make your own!
I play these videos for my students - only a handful appreciate them. Most of them complain, roll their eyes, etc. Maybe it's not the teachers at your school that are the problem.
@@shravyac5778 personal responsibility has become a rare thing for many students. I don't think I've had one student this year admit they are the reason for their current predicament. I've had many blame their circumstances, other people, etc. Unsurprisingly, none have yet to correctly self-identify the real problem.
In order to correct your situation, you must first acknowledge the problem and then seek a solution. Personal anecdote - I took a few classes in college taught by less than stellar professors. I went to the lectures of other professors that I felt were better. I watched classes posted online by MIT. I wanted to learn, so I did. Contrast that with the typical student that shuns Khan Academy or makes outlandish and inappropriate comments towards presenters like Tyler DeWitt - all because they abhor learning. The current climate/culture of celebrity worship does not mesh well with excellence in learning.
There will always be teachers that you don't like, but ultimately you are doing yourself no favors by letting your own opinions/prejudices determine the outcome. You will be much better off if you can learn to self-examine objectively.
I wish your teachers be like "I wish I had a student who showed me the true art of learning"...
I had ECT 3 years ago and despite its controversy (and parents’ fear), it greatly helped my severe depression. My mood was extremely low, didn’t respond to meds or therapy, and suicidal thoughts. It’s nothing like in the movies or One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest - it’s painless. It did take some time for my symptoms to improve but I didn’t have severe memory loss. The only bad thing about my ECT experience was how arrogant and absent the doctor I initially consulted with was.
How have you been since?
These medications also ruin lives.
She ded
How does your team still put out this many videos
We love what we do! :)
🤑
Alex & Rah Kurzgesagt has a consistent art style. I believe you’re thinking of The School Of Life.
By having web MD sources.
Alex & Rah Ah, my bad :)
Misleading title,
the truth is we do not know why it works,period.
all those it didnt help still are left with the side-effects.
its a last resort not a solution.
Yep. And that's what happened with this guy: ruclips.net/video/v-XpJw054d4/видео.html
Maybe same way like turning think off and then on.
I’ve been doing ect since january of 2022 and i’m glad i am, i’ve been able to stop taking one of my medications because i no longer need it and my bi polar is in complete check, this is the first time in 4 years that i have had relief in my bi polar.
ECT have saved my life. I had them when I was 19, 24, and 27 (ish) and about 80 treatments together. It's tough but It works 💜
Hi! Would you be willing to discuss your experience with ECT? I am considering this treatment and would like to hear other people's stories.
I start ECT next week. Thanks for sharing.
@@Alex-dk8dl how did it go?
@DeeDee Did you eventually have ECT?
ECT has changed my life for the better and I am forever grateful ❤️
My brother checked out ECT after this TED. He was profoundly depressed with bi-polar and had tried all meds. It took him a fair # of treatments but profoundly improved his condition. 10 months on he is doing great. No meds and doing great. Living his life again vs not able to get out of bed. Yeah, there’s some side-effects but deep depression is more awful by far.
How is he now?
Where did he go for his treatment?
I was offered theis treatment for severe depressions and PTSD. I said no for a long time. At one point I was so depressed I couldn't think straight, they got me to agree. I received 10 ECTsessions. It had absolutely NO effect, and to this day, years later, I have huge gaps in my memory. I can't think as fast or as good anymore. People should be aware that this can have serious side-effects!
My mother told me they used to do that to her when she was in foster care. She had a horrible childhood. She moved out of her hometown away from family, it wasn't until she started taking us to visit that she started to remember some on the things that went on. I think it's a temporary fix to a life time of issues
Sometimes people do have to get it long term BUT not nearly as frequently
Could you do "The truth about LASIK" too. Many people including me would want to know more about it.
Most sources on the same are either too difficult to understand or leave out loads of info.
Even though it could be beneficial, it has plenty of shortcomings. I'd like they talk about improving vision naturally, which is getting broader, and it's getting scientifically accepted. That's the future of vision improvement I'd say.
@Unbreakable Patches
1. An animated video of what exactly does the laser sent in the eye do to cure myopia, hypermetropia and presbyopia.
2. Is it safe. What are the side effects or what damage it could cause?
3. Requirements to get it done
Mainly pt 1 though.
@Unbreakable Patches Flap related complications!!?? Sounds terrifying.
@Unbreakable Patches I know the structure of cornea and the working of lenses. It was wrong on your part to assume I didn't.
Thanks for the info though.
Every person I know that has had it done said it was the best decision they ever had.
I have had ECT treatments 3 times. 6 sessions each. They blast away my bipolar depression. It was a last resort option and I am lucky that it works for me. Around the 3rd session, I start to feel my sadness and heaviness lift. I have had no horrible side effects. I began treatment because I was a fan of Carrie Fisher and she gets ECT. I get upkeep treatments yearly. I would rather go get ECT than go to the dentist. You go, you can do outpatient. You get in your hostpital gown, get an iv put in, your wheeled into a room on a gurney bed, they give you anesthesia and you wake up wondering if it happened already. You can be home and napping in like 2 hours. I know that a lot of people have had bad experiences. It is not for everyone. But it saved me and Ive seen it happen to others. I don't know why it works. Something with seizures? I ironically take an anti seizure medication for my depression. Who knows. Read Carrie Fisher's book on it, Kitty Dukakis has a book on it- do research on hospitals. Some hospitals have wards just for ECT. Vanderbilt in Nashville does. It is certainly a last resort but at that point no matter what happened, I didn't care because I just wanted to be dead and living was exhaustive and hurt. Will I lose my memory with time? Probably but it zaps my depression away which kicks out my anxiety and life is livable again.
Bro I have OCD fast five years can I go for this treatment
"I began treatment because I was a fan of Carrie Fisher and she gets ECT" Carrie Fisher died 2016 at only 60 years old. And she still gets ECT? By the time you wrote this, Fisher was dead since 4 years. Please dont recommend any medical threatment to others. You should become a member of some crasy church instead and settle with that.
I had severe memory loss and was unable to function in my work and even remember streets in my suburb. It is years later and I still have gaps in my memory and it feels like my brain turned into an Ementaler cheese. It set me back
Denise Huxham sounds like a great way to forget an ex!
@@LongTranQuoc lmao
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects...plzz let me know..I am suffering from depression for four years
@@ahmedfraz8324 I have permanent holes in my memory because of ECTs. I also have ataxia-where I suddenly lose the ability to remember a certain word. It’s frustrating and embarrassing; I’m a highly intelligent person……. Talk to many people before you decide. It may have become better controlled in the last 25 years!
Denise-same here. I’m so angry that a temporary four month cure for depression has made me worse in the long run!
I've had good results using ECT to treat my depression when medicines failed. Aside from a headache the day of, and sometimes the day after, it's been a game changer for me.
Did it make you forget your bad memory
@DeeDee Please keep us posted! I may have to go this route. Did you try TMS first? I am pursuing this at the moment, but may have to try the ECT if this doesn't work. Thanks!
@DeeDee Not yet. I am dealing with my insurance company is will cover next to nothing for it. I live in Bermuda where mental health benefits overseas is next to nothing. Very sad. Please do keep me posted! Best of luck to you
I think he forgot everything, including the password for his account lol.
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects...plzz let me know..I am suffering from depression for four years
My family member had this to get her out of severe postpartum psychosis and it really worked well.
I care for my severely depressed husband who is obsessed with planning his suicide. He is drug resistant so his doctors recommend Ect as the last resort. We decided to try this despite of short term memory loss which we should try to treat by some means afterwards. I would rather a forgetful husband than be a widow 🙁
Hi, are you still alive?
How did it go?
How did it go?
Great video, but I feel as if you should've addressed *why* there is a stigma against ECT, and how it was negatively used.
Hobbes Hobbiton that stigma arouse because we don't know what ECT is doing, and that's a dangerous thing! ... we had a similar case before in psychiatry with lobotomy
I thought the negative stigma came from Return to Oz
They used to use too much electricity and fried their brains back in the day
Concern is real forget the stigma
@@doberman8450 so how come u still remember that u had many head injury including skull fracture...?
My uncle have done it, it was like a zombie. It didn't work at all for him.
I had ECT in 2017, it saved my life. My memory of that month or so isn't perfect, no other long-term side effects though. I understand I'm extremely lucky, just wanted to share that it really can do a lot of good.
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects...plzz let me know..I am suffering from depression for four years
Ahmed, I suffer from chonic depression too for 6 years now. I'm sorry to hear you are struggling with it too. I have found something that helped me alot to understand more deeply what I am experiencing. 2 names: Daniel Backler and Gabor Maté.
How are you now?
Have you forget depressive memory
My good friend’s daughter has suffered severely with SMI beginning in her late teens. No exaggeration, she tried to take her own life 11 times over the course of 8 years. No medications, behavioral therapies or in-treatment centers could help her. About 5 years ago, she tried ECT. At 1st it was 2 times a week, then once a week, and then eventually, it dwindled to twice a month and now once a month. She has even had months where she could skip it entirely because she is familiar enough with her disease, she knows when she needs to go in. She’s 31 now and engaged to an awesome man who also gets ECT treatments. They met in a group therapy session. Both are employed and maintain perfectly healthy lives. Of course they admit to still having ‘off’ days but they absolutely swear by the success of this treatment. It’s frustrating that movies and general society has demonized it so much. When administered properly, ECT can literally save lives.
Such a happy ending..
How have they been since?
I had 19 sessions and it changed my life, my brain. I would be dead if it weren't for ect curing me. It reset my brain/erasing my neuro connections and during these sessions I went to therapy 3x a week to create good coping skills and thought processes. It made me open to know what was my behaviors and thoughts vs my chemical imbalance. Later I got prescribed Lithium (I'm bipolar) and I've been 100% mentally well ever since. I recommend ect, despite the memory loss and side effects. It works.
Hii my mom is
Doing it and im really scared
@@Devni2002 don't worry, Ariana, it really does help! It might give her small side effects like headache or dry mouth which are annoying. But it's really effective and SAFE!!! the doctors, crnas and nurses work really hard to ensure a safe, non traumatic procedure. It's over in 5 minutes! :)
This is amazing
@@Malaowieczka996 i am suffering from severe ocd and anxiety my mind is tormenting me currently taking meds from past one month havent seen any change really suffering😔
Hej, Kasia. Mówisz po Polsku, bo ja słabo rozumiem po angielsku. Od 10 lat choruję na depresję i chciałbym zapytać o ect.....będę wdzięczny za odp
I'm starting my second round of ECT in two years. I hope it goes better this time. The headaches after treatment before were unbearable and I still have major memory loss, but my overall mental health has been much better.
I wish you the best of luck. I've had to undergo a few rounds myself, but I am now back to work, and have been stable on just meds alone now for a full year. Something that is a big change for me. Talk to your doctor about the headaches and/or any nausea after treatments as they can give IV medications (Toradol and Zofran) pre-treatment to help with them.
@@jonathanclouse7139 you are right I want to remove my past memories, it only fills me with sad, depression, suicidal thoughts. Not telling much. The lost of girl I loved, The lost ones, Negligence, Humiliation, And other. I also suffering daydreaming which is maladaptive disorder. These are affect my jobs, other works and study I can't focus it. I want to forget them. I try on my own but I can't. When I was age 17 I attempt to suicide several time. My relatives try take me to mental hospital, doctors suggest me to take some ect. But my parents refuse and take me back to home. Now I'm 25, I'm still suffering depression. There is nothing good in my past. So i don't want to let them ruin my present.
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects...plzz let me know..I am suffering from depression for four years
@@jonathanclouse7139 How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects...plzz let me know..I am suffering from depression for four years
@@ahmedfraz8324 It's still used as punishment in many mental wards around the globe. I've seen it with my own eyes.
ECT was created by sadists, as majority of people in mental health field are, and it's still being used without no research or scientifical evidence at all. At this point, they are like, let's just give you a traumatic experience, like an electric shock to the brain and see if you forget what causes your depression/psychosis/mood disregulation.
ECT turned my friend into an emotionally dead zombie. She used to go to swinger clubs, party, laugh and smile. Now she can't even remember who she used to be. No initiative, not much emotion, dead facial expressions. It's horrible to watch, because she's the numb one, while I had to watch a personality die slowly.
Does she work? Is she still here mentally? Cause I'd just like to be a bit normal or at least better version of myself now.
But if she was such a joyful person, why did she have ECT in the first place?
@@l2516 MAYBE THET SAID SHE WAS MANIC and given to her against her will
@@joeldecoster8816 I don't think it happens often anymore to give it against someone's will. Especially not in first world countries.
@@l2516 howestly , you would hope so, but its true, i know , dont for one minute that anyone has a choice ,
After my first and only section of ECT, I slept an entire day and started having a lot of problems with my memory (I started having problems finishing sentences while talking, forgetting how to write some words wich I always used in texts, not remembering names...) wich I have to this day. I hope no one else suffers with this symptons after the treatment.
How are you doing now ? Still had the side effect ?
How are you doing nowadays?😅
@@AudriusAlkauskas depression came back and I was diagnosed with autism; turns out, the psychiatrist made a mistake by misdiagnosing me with bipolar disorder and the need for electroconvulsive therapy. I'm fine with the new meds as they don't mess with my memory nor my speech pattern. The side effects from ect however are long gone and the only thing that won't come back is some memories from far back in my memory brain card
Small nitpick: you shouldn't show an electron moving between neurons. The charge is carried by positive atomic ions, not negatively-charged electrons
Well it's actually a wave of depolarisation of the membrane. I don't think charge actual flows along the neuron
Should you animate for them instead. Try email them.
This is my expression to school. 0:42
Same😂
LMAO
😂😂😂
School and my past failures are the reasons why i have depression, sooo i pretty hate it, but now I'm struggling in college more than ever.....
CVince A...whole life is a struggle
After I gave birth to my son at 18 I experienced postpartum psychosis and I was in the middle of getting diagnosed with bipolar disorder I was offered ECT but turned it down. Luckily medication has saved me
As a medical student, I was fascinated when I first saw this wonder treatment which could very well pull a patient from the grave depths of suicidal depression. We really need more awareness about it as this well may be the final choice that one may have at life
My Dad was hosptilased for a year with severe depression after a serious suicide attempt. No Medication or therapy ever worked. ETC was the only thing that made any significant difference in helping his depression.
Back in 70s, my dad did some practice study in asylum while he's studying psychology. He saw the patient that given this treatment just changed into empty vessel after it. Very traumatizing experience just to watch it, he told me.
Alia Ris Please speak out. Many of us are brain damaged and have no rehabilitation. Are still depressed but no with memory problems and worse
Now, If try this treatment because I'm an empty vessel, would it be filled or what?
@@cupofjoen There must be another way. I have MDD severe, recurrent w/ psychotic symptoms. But even as low as I value myself, this treatment is too extreme. There is no scientific basis as to WHY it even works. That's scary.
@@sunshineyrainbows13 we gotta learn to love ourselves. Unfortunately at my age (19) it's kinda too late if I have to learn to love myself since it was my parents job to teach me (but they didn't, I'm from broken home). So, to learn to love myself, I need to start from zero again. Goddammit.
I've had it and he is correct. I got it in the early 2000's when it was supposed to be better. Not.
I came here as the term ECT sounded scary and I wanted to know what it was. Now I know better, I’m glad it’s helpful for some people :)
I don't know why, but this outro music makes me feel so uplifted, really deeping mindful satisfaction from this lessons. sorry for my English
It would be interesting to see if a placebo treatment of ECT would result in similar results. I mean you are knocked out for the procedure. You wouldn't know that your brain was hit with electricity or not. The pure concept of thinking you had your brain fried with the hope and expectation that you went under this crazy therapy could, in theory, change your personal outlook on life without you even actually have received the treatment in the first place.
This study has been done Look up Dr Peter Breggin's website for the scientific information on ECT
That’s is a great idea! Would be awesome if they could do studies on it
@@Echidna7095 thank you!!
That wouldn't be effective. Because sometimes the patient is not informed and the treatment works.
Hahahahahahaha!!!!
GREAT video, TedEd! I had 6 rounds of ECT in 2008, and it absolutely saved my life. I was so badly lost into a major depression and nothing was working. I wasn't able to take care of myself or my children. After the 6 sessions I had, I was a new girl! I do have some memory loss and can be a little bit forgetful occasionally, but those are my only side effects. Now I'm a successful healthcare provider and a clinical educator as well! I'm living my dream life, so happy and healthy. ECT isn't for everyone, but it is an option that can save lives.
Could you explain the extent of your memory loss??
@@MissPurdy730 sure! So in the beginning it was more severe. I had both some long term memory loss and difficulty with short term memory. I had no memory of my son's first year of life at all, which was really hard. But, over the last 5 years or so, I've gotten a good amount of that memory back! I am still missing parts of it, but what's more important than having memories of him as a baby? Him having a healthy mom there for him NOW that he's 13 years old. My short term memory loss is more like me just being airheaded and forgetful at times now. Where the heck did I sit my car keys? Where are my glasses? Why did I come into this room? Although I'm not sure how much of it is ECT and how much is me being in my 40s lol. My kids (13 & 15) know they have to remind me of things a few times if it's gonna stick with me. They help me find the things I misplace. But otherwise? That's pretty much it! I'm a healthcare instructor, nurse, and EMT. All of my licenses/certifications are current, I practice medicine (and teach it!) on a daily basis with absolutely no problems whatsoever. It's interesting, with the exception of not remembering my child's first year, all of my memory loss seems to be stuff that doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things. With regard to my occupation, my knowledge and skills are sharper than ever. Pretty amazing to think that 12 years ago I couldn't even get out of bed, care for myself, or care for my children.
@@ThatClinicalInstructor Nice to hear success stories! How are you now?
Where did you get your treatment?
I’m about to do this to treat my depression. Finally made this decision after years of suffering.
How was it? I´m thinking of maybe trying it for my depression, talked about it with my doctor
She died
@@pbufh I recovered...
Where did you get your treatment?
"We still don't really know why it works... but since 50% and 'maybe more' subjects said it helped them, we'll keep doing it despite the memory loss." Who uses a statistic like that? Seems like a treatment modeled after the shotgun in the way that it floods the brain with impulses in hopes that some unknown target gets positively affected.
A colleague of mine told me about a patient who came in a state of full on rigid body "arching" catalepsy. Unresponsive to any medication. The man was basically one rigid arch of muscles. After one ECT session - the man walked out of the hospital.
@@jarls5890 somebody once told me that if I ate many banananas I would rejuvenate, the guy claimed a friend of his worked in an asylum where an oldman started to ate bananas and became strong AF.
@Imperfection Perfected wow im so sorry
@@michiman2219 BAHAHA
The classification as"soft sciences" allows for less than rigorous scientific testing/experimentation.
I can listen to each Reader/Narrator's voice all day. It's so relaxing and the reason why I binge watch. I get to listen to a relaxing voice *and* learn information!
ECT has ruined the life of my partner due to the side effects. After researching this treatment, much your info is inaccurate. There are many which have been severely and adversely affected by this treatment in recent years. much is due to doctors that don't follow correct procedures because of the confusion and lack of knowledge of how ECT affects the body.
I bet if we look into funding on this "lesson" we can find the companies trying to sell this as an at home product are very involved.
"much is due to doctors that don't follow correct procedures" - Then in a way this is more related to mediocre doctors than the treatment itself.
I was in the hospital about two years ago because of my depression. I have 12 ECT treatments and it didn't seem to help. Actually, my memory has gotten a lot worse and I felt just as bad as I did before. I'm not saying don't get ECT, I'm just saying that it works differently for everyone and be aware of the side effects.
It worked for me and gave me my life back. Begged to have it again but was is practically impossible to get in the UK unless you're in hospital :(
aw man :( I received ECT for a few months around 3 years ago and it completely destroyed my memory to the point where it was doing way more harm than good and I stopped. Short term memory loss sucked for sure but it was super scary losing memories of the previous years and that was definitely worse. I sort of forgot who I was, and what I liked, and even who I was friends with, to a point. All of that I had to rebuild, for better or worse. Hearing stories, seeing pictures, visiting formerly familiar places, all helped me gather fragments of the memories lost. The administrating doctor, in response to my complaints, affirmed that memory loss was not an unexpected side affect but that it was not entirely irreversible, and that they would return somewhat exponentially as I began to fill in the gaps. To an extent, this has been true, but man was it damaging, and there are still a lot of memories from childhood and adolescence that are still lost and perhaps gone for good.
!! I don't share this ton rag on ECT,, its helpful to around 50% of the people who receive it which is great!!
However, Dr. Farell did sorta breeze past the long term memory bit and it uhhh sucked and still sucks
It is strange how ECT is described as a generally safe treatment, but at the same time comments on how the therapy severely impacted the memory of some patients are alarming and unfortunately, I had difficulty finding trusted sources that mention it. Do you know where I can find more information about the subject?
the question is...did it help your depresssion, the reason you had the treatment?
I had 17 treatments of etc. It saved my life but destroyed my memories and problem solving skills. Pretty 50/50 with positives and negatives
Did some cognitive skills come back?
Where did you get it done?
@@AudriusAlkauskassome but not all
@@adallieAlberta mental hospital
@@ver0ntr0n thank you. I think im going to get it at the Cleveland Clinic. It’s hard to find first hand accounts
It's been life changing for me and I'm still in induction.
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects...plzz let me know..I am suffering from depression for four years
@@ahmedfraz8324 I'm in maintenance phase as of right now and It has definitely been worth it. It's not a cure all but it has improved my quality of life significantly.
@@Axolotlian now he asking me to go for ECT and am very scared of it.
@@ahmedfraz8324 They put you under anesthesia and for me anyways the side effects are minor. But I can't say I relate because I wasn't really afraid because the depression was so bad that I was willing to try anything
I had it recently (last one this monday), 6 in total, it worked great on my MDD and partial PTSD, worsened greatly by this whole virus situation, I was barely sleeping and eating at the end
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects...plzz let me know..I am suffering from depression for four years
@@ahmedfraz8324 a little short term memory loss, but it eventually came back, after 4 sessions I was feeling much better and I am still feeling OK
How are you now?
@@AudriusAlkauskas so far still good
ECT changed my life, I can't imagine a life with out it, I want to be alive now.
Did you have side effects?
@Audrius Alkauskas I do ECT once a week, at first it gave me headaches but I told the doctor that and he gives me stuff now before ECT that changes that, the only other thing is memory lose but it isn't that bad
Pardon my english) What a bunch of nonsense. A propaganda film, I was once in an open department of a psychiatric hospital and I met people after ECT. Everyone was like zombies, indifferent, apathetic. They could not focus even on the simplest tasks within the framework of rehabilitation, such as painting Christmas baubles. They shook their hands, smashed the baubles on the floor. They talked about how they had to learn about their family after ECT because they did not remember them. I am expressing this conclusion that due to ECT man loses his identity, he is no longer himself, he is something else. It's like killing a man and introducing the soul of someone else into his body. A barbaric, cruel method is nothing but legal torture. The very fact that in the Soviet Union ECT was commonly used to erase the memory of uncomfortable people, and in combination with psychedelic drugs they made obedient dolls with which the criminal regime could do what he wanted. Never disagree with ECT! After ECT, your self-awareness dies, in other words, as if you were dead. So what can they help? You will not experience this improvement because after using ECT in your body there will be a "different man".
Blido your English is excellent and perfectly explains the trauma of the patient and their family too
You are deranged and have no idea what you're talking about
How much are you getting paid to electrocute patients?
as someone who has received ect it is pure torture, and their methodology is flawed as the after care is highly suggestive and patients are traumatized and conditioned by ect to give certain answers. E.g. making them numb so they score lower on a depression test, but that is because their actual feelings of depression are repressed because a new trauma is introduced. ECT is sadistic and an example of where science fails. No doctor would ever voluntarily take an ECT to test whether it's safe. If you wouldn't do it to yourself you also shouldn't do it to your patients
@@dljve After an ECT session, I was wheeled back into the main corridor of the psych ward, and left there for anyone to gawk at. I hadn’t even fully woken up yet. One memory that I will always remember because my father heard about it and did a formal complaint.
I had no way of getting anyone’s attention until a good friend walked by and asked me why I was there. It was her who told my dad, and angrily stomped to the nurses’ desk to get someone to wheel my bed back to my room so I could recover in relative privacy.
I don’t remember much about it myself except waking up without knowing why or where I was. My dad managed to get a settlement from the hospital…..
IMHO it's not responsible to do a "quick talk" on one of the most dangerous medical procedures there are and not cite any source/papers/data of any kind.
A quick look at the comments will let you know that most people just eat your videos up as truth and probably don't care to do any research. Regardless of the actual effectiveness and potential of ECT (which I believe to be quite real), it's a very delicate subject and something that clearly should only be attempted as a last resort.
It'd do good to further explain WHY there's such a negative stigma about it - its dangers are real and quite unpredictable (yes, even today). You shouldn't make an impressionistic video about such a highly controversial and delicate topic without being extremely thorough and impartial - otherwise you might risk alienating your audience, in a way that might be potentially damaging to some.
or am I alone in thinking this lol
It does get the conversation going. It's hard to say where the balance is between getting things moving and forcefully directing its trajectory. Maybe Google will get on board and check out the comments.... They (OK, the algorithms) are the ones directing conversations, right?
I do agree with you, though. This needs more than a quick touch. Links in the dooblydoo on something like this should be a bare minimum. That wouldn't be forcing any horses to drink.
Thank you for bringing ethics into the education conversation. We as a species seem to think that all learning is good, and then scratch our heads when things go haywire. There are a great number of people who don't know how to process information to a productive (non-)end, and those of us who kinda have the hang of it can't figure out what's going on.
Since this is a fairly scientifically minded channel, would you mind linking to a few credible studies backing up your claims?
That might be a good idea actually, it would be great if they can add a list of references to each of their talk, including those on history, basic sciences and social sciences. Maybe you can start and show them the rope?
I think it must be a big task to cover a large and divisive topic for a less than 5 minutes videos while putting it in plain language for the general public. Sounds like it's certainly sparked a conversation
If you're so annoyed at the lack of sources go do some research yourself...the literature is fairly undivided on ECT (spoiler alert: it's arguably the safest and most effective option for treatment-resistant depression).
IMHO, with recent developments like unilateral, ultra-brief pulse ECT--I think it should be a first-line treatment. Unfortunately, all the treatment options for mental illness are fairly lacking and the risks and side-effects of psychopharmacological treatments are grossly understated.
I understand what you're saying. And in truth I would tend to agree with you. However I must also say that if some people deem that a 4:24 minutes video is enough to understand a subject without going further and do some research and don't see that these videos are made to give to their audience general ideas on several subjects, and in the process start a conversation, then they're idiots in the first place lol
I have MDD, chronic anxiety and OCD. I have tried SSRIs, Benzodiazepines, CBT, PHP, TMS, and Esketamine. Nothing works. I feel that I may eventually commit suicide if all else fails. I cannot fathom living out the rest of my life this way. One procedure that I haven't tried yet is ECT. Of all the methods of treatment that science offers today, that is the one I fear most. I may have to rethink my understanding of it and give it a try. The alternative is a lifetime of mental anguish.
How are you now?
As a nursing student, I got to see 8 patients go through this yesterday. Many were on their 6th-12th treatment and openly discussed how great it had been for them when nothing else had worked. When I was told what happened to the patients and saw them in active seizer, I was really concerned, but I left the hospital with a different opinion. This is extremely beneficial to a large number of people.
this feels like the equivalent of hitting the TV until it works.. no one knows why, it just does..
Yah but depending on the tv, it might break. You can’t buy another human
Doctors treating our brains like replaceable electronics is terrifying.
Uh... Stop hitting your tv.
I was hospitalized for SEVERE clinical depression in 1985 and 2003. On both occasions ECT worked well for me and I was able to return to my normal healthy life. My doctor in 1985 told me not to be surprised if sometime in the future I would need to come 'into the pit stop' for another round of treatment. He was right.
Depression plays tricks on our mind by "telling" us that the severe emotional PAIN will "remain for the rest of out lives". Depression is a liar.
I was a crisis line volunteer for 2 years in the late 80's.
What caused your severe clinical depressions? and ECT really allowed you to feel joy again?
How have you been since?
"ECT make a difference when ALL ELSE fails." However, in today's healthcare it's a big money maker making it a 'go to' much sooner than it should be. It will definitely change someone often NOT returning someone to their very pleasant, (before -depression), former self. That person /personality may be gone forever.
Source?
@@rebeccab1064 What do think? My own eyes and ears!!! After, 32 medically abusive treatments approved by her doctor and miserable husband (after she told him she wanted to leave and divorce), she NOW struggles to keep a thought in her head or put together a sentence when speaking!! Get your head out of the clouds, Rebecca.
My mom had this treatment. She is kind of not there anymore. Might be from the medicine she is on though.
I'm sorry to hear that. There might be something that needs to be done about that.
@@ourochroma Thank you! She has regular appointments with her care team always working to find the right medicines and such.
Depression medication can have severe personality impact. I'm glad that you say that she's regularly meeting with her caregivers to monitor the effects, but you should ask if you can go sometime as well. It helps to have family input on the effects of the medication.
@Moon Lit thank you! I will try to.
@05candyman thank you for your kind words!
I underwent four sessions of ECT in 2017 for Schizoaffective disorder and man do I regret it. I would wake up after and not remember where I was. The doctors said it was temporary side effect. It's been two years and my memory is so bad it's hard to function. I've read four different doctor/ counselor notes on me and they all say I repeat things over and over again. Do not get ECT done! It's not worth it
Apparently people with epilepsy are way less likely to suffer from the more common mental illnesses like depression, anxiety, and ADHD. Memory is a huge loss, but with trying medication until something worked, I died for a few seconds after a severe allergic reaction. My parents were so used to me switching medication every 3 months or so that it was incredibly lucky my mom remembered the name of my newest medicine so they could save my life. I would give up so many precious memories for a better chance of decreasing my suffering than going through medicine after medicine and therapist after therapist of nothing working. You have to have that proven track record of therapy and so many medicines not working for a health care provider is willing to suggest ECT. Unfortunately, when I got to that point I was transitioning into adulthood and there is so much financial management I need to learn before I can return back for more sessions. I am so willing to take the risk even though I know I could possibly die from this as well. It improved my symptoms so much with only half the treatments I was recommended and I hope it will help even more when I can finally finish them
Wow this voice is so dominant and satisfying at the same time!
It's very alarming the number of things that are given the "green light" when there is so little understanding of it. I'm sure it helps lots of people, but the fact that no one knows why is pretty suspect.
So what do you suggest? Do nothing until the patient commits suicide?
@@gabrielrodriguez6157 I suggest rTMS, ketamine infusion/spray and psilocybine.
And who are you ? A scientist or a Doctor?
@@gabrielrodriguez6157 it's better to be dead than to not remember your own children.
i mean, no one really understands why anesthesia works the way it does. are you suggesting we should stop using that simply because we don't understand it, when the benefits of anesthesia have absolutely outnumbered its side effects?
This procedure has given someone in my family permanent short term memory loss and caused them to have seizures. Screw this treatment.
Just saw the procedure today, during our posting in psychiatry ward...it actually works within minutes...
I've had 10 ect sessions done half a year ago (I'm 19) which didn't lift my severe depression for long enough time but I at least stopped having hallucinations, so I would still consider it a success.
I still suffer from memory loss here and there and about 2 or 3 months after the treatment I had horrible problems concentrating and felt less intelligent but that's mostly gone by now.
Honestly the experience wasnt too bad.
What halluzinations did You have?
Acoustic? Melodies?
I will get ECT soon and I Hope my halluzinations Will Go away with this Treatment
How have you been since?
Hey! Thank you for sharing. How are you doing now?
I had 10 treatments of ECT... didn't help at all.
How are you now?
You poor thing! This thing killed my grandma..
@josephine donatella gloria viola ciano Oh so you believe in God don't you. That's good.
You should tell the doctor to install a new memory
An amazingly positive video for a treatment that came from doctors experimenting on vulnerable people and psychiatry has no idea why it works (like pretty much all of the biological interventions in mental health). I love this channel, but sometimes they really dress up conjecture as fact
I especially love "mild electronic signal". If it was so mild, it would not induce grand mal seizures. Think getting punched in the head by Mike Tyson...
This procedure is in the same ballpark as lobotomies
Ooooo! Nice use of conjecture! I love it when RUclips comments show their big brain words! Fr, fr.
@@tool_fighter ... Uh... That's not in any way similar... Catastrophic blunt force trauma
V/S exterior electric introduction to the nervous system. Nope. Not speaking to results, just saying... One of these things is not like the other
Conjecture? Like the research and development to show the positive outcomes of modern ECT? You just hear what you want to hear. Try to think critically for once
I have multiple mental illnesses, and I asked my psych about Shock Treatments and she said ECT will make my psychosis worse. Instead she gave me a little alpha stimulator shock therapy device. You clip electrodes to your ears and wear it for like an hour a day. It's supposed to work so good you can stop taking some of your meds. I hope so.
I did 18 ect treatments, and i felt a little improvement with no long term side effects. I also saw several people, who recovered from it completely. Still,ect has its risks, and so does untreated severe depression. I talk about all of that in detail on my channel
I got also around 20 ect treatments i can Not Report Bad Side efects Overall i Know Looks Bad but its a Safe and effektive therapy...
I am so grateful that my bipolar disease is treatable with medication :)
@DeeDee Ah, yes, you're right!
@DeeDee Are you still on a wait list? Why is there a wait list? Asking because you're the only comment I've seen at this point who mentions Bipolar not depression.
@DeeDee did you do this, i was diagnosed w bipolar 2 a few months back and am on seroquel and prozac, but its been 4mo since ive had peace or joy. I took zoloft and it set me into really bad manic racing thought mode and still trying to recover, my psych brought up ect
Depression is a real illness not something one can snap out of depression can ruin families and take the lives of our young people I believe one should do what works for them so I'm sending prayers out to all those suffering from depression
The doctors said "there would be a NEW you. A very different one because there would be no more extreme mood swings and depression". I freaked out after that session and never come back again.
It's scary as heck to keep going under general anesthesia.
It's like 1984...
About 8 years ago I went to a pysc ward for trying to kill myself. I meet thus sweet older lady who tried killing herself 15 times. She was told since she was there was so much. She HAD to go through ECT and she would cry about it so much. When they started her on it she would come back unable to speak, move or remember anything. She looked as white as a ghost and every time she did it. She looked more dead. She changed but in a bad way. She would hardly talk or do anything when she recovered, witch would take hours. I was so terrified that I swore I wouldn't try killing myself again in fear I'd be forced to as well. I felt so bad for her because she wanted to die not be physically and mentally tortured by a bunch of hack doctors. Don't believe everything you hear on the internet. There are plenty of reasons why ECT should be banned in all country's. Its inhumane and sick for anyone to even consider doing it to any living creature.
She could be simply unfortunate enough to see the good results. Maybe the technique was not administered properly. Who knows?
@@husseinbazzy8294
It was done at a very rich hospital, They wouldn't hire just anybody there. Its psychopathic to strap anyone down and electrocute them. In any other context it would look like I'm talking about the death plenty in the states.
There's a reason why they got rid of it because it can be easily botched.
@@husseinbazzy8294 What exactly is the correct technique? How many milliamps do you need, exactly? How small is the step from a therapeutic current to a damaging current? How can they be sure about the path the electricity is going to take? Ever seen a Lichtenberg figure? Do they test cognition before and after the procedure to rule out brain damage?
@@centralintelligenceagency9003 I really don't know... I am only saying that "maybe" the technique could be helpful if administrated properly but the problem is that there is a lot of research to be done yet to really have a good grasp of the whole process. I am neither pro nor anti this technique. Just like anything else it does need research. Afterall, insulin coma were used to "heal" patients with mental illnesses. Today, insulin is what keeps me alive.
@@husseinbazzy8294 And that alone makes the use of this treatment scandalous. We know exactly why insulin keeps diabetic people alive, why antibiotics cure bacterial infections that would have otherwise killed us, and why chemotherapy harms cancer more than it does the patient, but ECT, and neuroleptics for that matter? "It just werks", the proponents holler, and they appear to be satisfied with that answer.
I just woke up from anesthesia after my 8th round of ECT. Its starting to work and I am currently on 8 medications as well. It is not like it is in horror movies.
Which doesn't prove anything, or say very much. If you think it is so harmless why doesn't the doctor administering your "treatment" have a few himself? They are all so sympathetic to you, right? You DO realize don't you they are making a ton of money giving your brain a charge...which is not what your brain was evolved to handle?
@@leomarkaable1 Well first of all, I live in Norway and it is free for me to be hospitalised and have the treatment, so they don't gain anything more by me having the treatment then if I didn't. Second, if it ain't broke don't fix it. I wrote another comment on here updating on the progress I have. There is no need for my doctor to take it himself if he can function properly without it, which I did not. I was 90% bed bound, unable to eat or do anything, I could barely listen to music, watch movies or series because of too much stimulation. I showered 1-3times a month and my average step count a day was around 100, which was back and forth to the bathroom. Now I shower every other day, I eat and cook food, I help cleaning the house, I take walks 3 times a week. My psychiatrist wasn't even sure if it was depression that made me so sick because it was so bad, but after the treatment I'm better, I've had 10 rounds. I'm still depressed but I'm on my way to recovery
@@leomarkaable1 did you mean they saved people from depression? Try this. If your children work as a psychologist and ECT practitioner, wouldn't you be offended when someone said that your children milks money from patient instead of saving them?
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects...plzz let me know..I am suffering from depression for four years
This was the best thing to have happened in my life. Otherwise i would most probably be dead right now.
You think it could help with derealisation?
@@ouh8759 i think because this is such an unknown as to why it works it would be hard to say. I have known others to forget everything in the past 2 years besides me getting treatment with them. Though, after ECT i was more receptive to medication and CBT. Dedinitely a last resort.
I AM IN DESPERATE NEED OF THIS
As someone that's had dozens of ECT treatments in a row i highly recommend against it! As it might help some for me it made everything worse and even threw more problems in the mix. I have had multiple doctors tell me they fried my brain with these "modern" ECT treatments. If i could go back in time i would NEVER do it...I have lost so much because of these treatments...so many memories...so many holes.
Don't do it! They want just want to fry your brain and hope you forget about your problems, just like medication tries to make you forget, but never helps the source. Just a band-aid...with serious consequences.
Western Medicine is at its wits end in dealing with depression. I don't think anyone wants fried brains, they just really don't know what else to try. I'm so very sorry that it didn't work out for you. Please keep telling your story, and if you can, tell it to your care providers.
I too experienced retrograde amnesia from my ECT treatments, which has caused many issues in my life. However I do know it works on some people. But is it really worth the risk of losing your memory is what I question
@@juisee36 I suppose it would depend on how bad the depression is. Those with depression so bad that they have lost their will to live and/or have attempted suicide and is not relieved by meds or counseling...Would perhaps welcome any hope of relief despite the posibility of side effects.
Do you believe religion can cure depression?
@@gothnerd887 Cure? No, not at all.
For some it may reduce symptoms or bring a little comfort, but far from a cure and definitely not for everyone.
I love how the ECT does to people with a psychological problem like me. Even if I declined ECT just before my treatment date because I was careful about my memory---the love I had for my mother till this present. :)
I've been taking antidepressants for two years now. I'm a lot better now than I used to be when I started the treatment, but I still feel sad, numb and overwhelmed by every task, have strong thoughts of self-loathing and my mood changes quite drastically often. The medication worked in the beginning and still works to mitigate my symptoms, but now I feel stuck in a place in which I neither get better nor worse. Is it time for me to try ECT?
My wife tried 10 ect treatments for depression and saw no positive outcome from the treatment. But she did receive permanent scarring on her tongue from biting her tongue during the treatments multiple times.
The main symptoms of receiving ect treatment that we found. She had regressed to the mentality of a 13 year old for about half a year afterward and also had severe memory issues for about 2 years.
Very interesting. I wonder who came up with the idea to shock people's brains to help relieve symptoms of depression and why they thought it was a good idea.
FireBow the scientist who discovered it noticed that his patients who later developed a seizure disorder had improved outcomes from catatonic schizophrenia, and other psychiatric illnesses.
@@ayoesther6042 Fascinating, thanks for replying :)
I think it was when they first discovered that human neurons work through electric and chemical stimuli. So they started studying the chemistry and treating mental illnesses with chemicals (drugs), and some wanted to treat them with electricity as a way to "recharge" the brain and restart it in some way. That's what I'm assuming.
Actually, it was first used on animals before slaughter. They noticed that it "stunned" the animals and made them more "docile." The information in this video might be true to some degree, but here's the real scoop: www.cchr.org/ban-ect/the-truth-about-electroshock/the-birth-of-ect.html
My 23 y/o son is going to have ECT therapy soon and honestly I'm really scared but it's the last resort for him to have some quality of life as he is diagnosed with major depression with psychosis plus autism spectrum plus a tourettes disorder called coprolalia and he refuses any medication anymore, which never worked well anyway and made him gain over 100 pounds and almost became diabetic. Reading the positive results that others have experienced with ECT is very comforting and hopeful though.
How did it go?
HALF??? Bruh!
What about the other half??
ECT is the last resource when everything else failed. The fact that it works half of the time is still good news. Medicine is to advance and find out other treatments for that other half.
You realize that first-line medication alone doesn’t even work for half of cases right? An improvement to normal life for HALF of patients with Major Depression is beyond a good result.
Half is still much better than the success rates for other treatments (for the patients that it's used for, i.e. treatment resistant depression).
Do the half of us that it helped not count? Considering most first line treatments for severe psychiatric disorders don't work half of the time, I'd say half is pretty good. I'm SO grateful I was in that half that was lucky enough to be helped by ECT.
I'm going on 9 years of diagnosed depression (though I believe I have had it for many more years). I have asked and asked about ECT but no doctors agree to prescribe it to me. I don't know why. And only one hospital in my whole city does it. It's really discouraging, especially when most info I found online about it are positive.
Kedia Ajax I think if you read the comments, you'll see a significant number of side effects.
Which city do you live in? I want to move there.
I had about 13 ECT sessions at Johns Hopkins. I did not find ECT very helpful at all for me personally. I had some success with it at first and felt significantly better, but that only lasted for about a week or so. I had some significant short term memory loss, which was expected. It's been a month or so since receiving the treatments and I'm basically back to where I started, but still with some mild memory loss. It did, however, somehow drastically improve the problems I had with my jaw joints for years. They used to pop and click and be generally stiff and sore, causing tension headaches. For some reason, it went away for the most part after a couple ECT treatments. So that's something I guess. But I'm still extremely depressed and I've also tried dozens of antidepressants and other medications. Pretty hopeless at this point.
It's the depression that makes you feel like it's hopeless but it's not. There are hundred different types of antidepressants, so even if you tried a lot there are still a lot that can potentially help you. I hope you get better!
Now what is your condition
Have you tried altering diet?
Don't listen to anyone. I believe you tried everything you could. I know how frustrating it is when you try everytging and still deal with chronic depression.
Your situation is real, and it is not gloom. I would love to talk with you on my experience and how it may help yours.
I went through 10 ECT sessions a few years ago and it's awful. It messed with my brain, my memory and thought process were never the same since then. It also messed up everyone I knew went through it too and was staying in the clinic with me back then.
It gave me a little reset as it's said, but the costs are just too high. I had much more better experiences and results later on, getting that kind of reset too but in a whole different and much lovelier way with healing plants and natural medicines.
Wish no one that reads this gives it a try.
Please let us stop this nonsense and go back to connect with our roots and natural ways of healing.
After all, none of these technics have ever actually healed anyone anyway.
For anyone who went through ECT, I'm glad you are alive.
I’m not glad
@@MrBrooksWimberly ur a bully
ECT can be credited with pulling my mom out of a psychotic depression, but my mom was never the same after that. She had some abnormal psychological condition afterwards that nobody’s really got a name for it but it’s like it took all of her psychological conditions that she had underneath the surface and then made them very permanent in her in like an exaggerated way and so she’s just been screwed up and messed up ever since I was 10 years old. At least I got to know her before she got screwed up but it’s always been a loss of some sort and my little sister has never known her to be any other way it’s really unfortunate
omg tell me more
@@BOBDMRI can’t tell you’re mocking me, but I guess you are.
ECT destroyed my mom and turned her into a permanently disabled human being. It lifted her out of her psychotic depression violently and left her permanently disabled. She was never the same person for the rest of her life.
I’d have preferred they let her have the time to come out of it gently over time somehow.
This video is status quo propaganda IMHO.
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I've been battling depression and anxiety issues for 5 years at this point with limiting success. I've been to the mental hospital a couple of times because it's gotten so bad. Both times I stayed for quite a while too and then did outpatient programs even after. Traditional meds usually made things worse or barely helped me and therapy while helpful for sure still wasn't enough. Exercise probably helped me the most and journaling was a good help as well. Along with using mindfulness to cope with extreme negative emotions but I was at a point where I felt like I was just surviving and not thriving in anyway. Everything was so difficult to do and life felt unrewarding and like a big burden to be honest. Like a chore, not a gift at all. I had been dealing with my mental health issues for so long that I had just kinda learned how to live with it after a while and almost forgot alternative more pleasant states of consciousness were even possible. All that being said I started ECT last week and have done 4 treatments so far and it is by far the most helpful treatment for depression I've ever done. I was trying to do ketamine treatments as an alternative but that all fell through but I'm glad I decided to give ECT a try because it's almost like magic how much it helps, especially when compared to how little everything else helped. Like I actually find joy and enjoyment in things again. Everything doesn't seem like a chore anymore and the sky doesn't feel like it's always falling. The only thing that's came even remotely close to helping on this level was psychedelics but that's not something one can easily find in a controlled setting for treatment of depression. ECT is the best option one has right now for treatment resistant depression so if you're thinking about it definitely go ahead and talk to a provider and see if you qualify because in my experience it's worth it! I hope many others suffering from mental illness are able to experience the relief I have from ECT!
I also have anxiety i had alot of pain in my chest and belly after doing 3 treatments of ECT the pain was gone but now i have constan tension headache pain 24/7 of the day its ruining my life :(
@@Furkan-dq1pf I'm sorry to hear that. There is a lot of possible negative side effects that can happen with ECT. I was fortunate enough to not experience any but I will admit I'm young and physically very healthy so I wasn't exactly at as high of a risk as some. I only did 6 treatments total because even though I didn't experience any negative side effects my Dr. didn't want to risk it. Unfortunately not everyone will take to it as well as I did. TMS is an option and I've done that as well. It's kinda similar to ECT in how it helps but it doesn't share any of the negative side effects. It does take longer and require more treatments to work but you aren't put under anesthesia so you can go about you day like normal after the treatment. Also another alternative treatment is ketamine. Spravato which is basically just nasal ketamine is approved by insurance for an alternative treatment for major depression when conversational methods have failed. You can also do it at treatment center where they do it intravenously like at the hospital but that's not cover by insurance and insanely expensive. Although it is more effective. Best of luck, hope you're able to find a treatment that works for you
@@Furkan-dq1pf Çok geçmiş olsun. Bu tedaviyi ne için yaptırdığınızı ve nerede yaptırdığınızı paylaşabilir misiniz?
binnur AKTEPE bende anksiyete ve panik atak vardi istanbulda lape hastanesinde yaptirdim bu tedaviyi
@@Furkan-dq1pf Peki şimdi nasılsınız? Bunlar geçti mi? Ve ECT'nin yan etkisi oldu mu?
I'm so happy to find this information here.
Hmm I don't think I would trade memories for a feeling of well being.. memory is who we are.
If all you think you have is traumatic memories, you might appreciate the trade in. Though there is *so* much to be learned from trauma. I'd hope the people who remember it will brave their memories and find a way to use their voice, and get paid for it.
My memories are the reason for my pain
Trust me, if it meant that you couldn't get out of bed, care for yourself, or care for your children... You'd trade some memories. You don't lose all memories. I'm missing a few from my past, but the majority of them are still alive and well! And, I'm healthier than I've ever been, 12 years after my last rounds of ECT. It saved my life. I am missing a lot of the memories of my son's first year of life. That's sad, and yes it bothers me a bit, but what's way more important than that is that now at 13 years old he has a healthy mom that's there for him.
People who receive ECT aren't looking for a "feeling of well being"... they're trying to survive severe mental illness when all else has failed.
@@ThatClinicalInstructor true, but looking at what happens to people who continue to be forced to have ect for many years of their life - they are not human anymore. it would be better to be dead.
@@amandacar5679 forced? We don't really force anyone to do anything anymore in healthcare. I certainly wasn't forced, and every patient I've transported via ambulance to an ECT appointment wasn't forced either. In fact, my patients always had a similar reaction that I did - they were grateful to finally find something that actually helps after trying everything else and failing. ❤
Right now, I am low. Today, I got out of bed at 1:00 pm. Then I ate breakfast. I forced myself to shop for food. It’s been a depressing day. Someone today told me that ECT helps people. Although I find it scary?????
Only do It if you can't even get out of bed or bathe or feed yourself.
You only seem slightly depressed.
I’ll refer you to where I got mine online
drgavin_trips
On instagram
@@pbufhI’ll refer you to where i got mine online
If it is really that benificial, why is it a last resort treatment?
Because of its more extreme side effects
EXACTLY
A huge thank you to medicine and the creators of this video. I feel much more comfortable right now.
Pls do not fo this to urself. It's not worth it. Mediate, travel, exercise, meet new people, draw. This are the best ways to cure depression. Stay away from these doctors. They dont know what they are doing
@@singstreetcar5881 have you been diagnosed with major depressive disorder? I just can't imagine someone who has would seriously tell another person to travel, draw, and meet people to cure their depression. People are literally unable to get out of bed and you tell them to travel?
@@rancidfangs yes, travelling and a change of environment is a better cure for depression than running electric currents thru ur head, and taking dangerous drugs from doctors who dont even understand the side effects of these dangerous drugs.
@@singstreetcar5881 very few of us could afford such a thing. Not practical.
@@rancidfangs Agreed. This is like saying "just start to live normal life!"
i am shocked by the animation !
That may be subtle as appose to reality, too.
I have been suffering from severe depression, anxiety. I can’t stop my mind from having suicidal thoughts. Just one thing that stops me is what if I fail, the fear of being the family joke, and also being burdened with more pain and a disfigured face is stopping me. I have tried all kinds of therapies and medications for the past 4 years. I am thinking I should take up ECT. Should I? Please comment your genuine views, that will help me to shape up a decision.
I´m in the same kind of situation, even tho most of my family is very supportive. I don´t know should I try it or not. I am afraid I will lose part of my memories or get serious complications..