This is normal for then back in the day. You have to wind up those engines for 2-3mins before they start and then only one by one the cylinders would cut in slowly. All the smoke you see is all the unburnt diesel burning off in the exaust system. I remember Clapham Yard at four in the morning being so fogged out I had to walk forwards to check to see if the Shunt signal was off before we could leave. Two engines coupled together both doing what we call half fart running share the charging systems between them and keep both sets of batteries on both engines charging. We used to call that DONKEYING. The fuel that engines used back then was 85% diesel and 15% old used recycled filtered engine lube oil. When the engines got hotter they would run a lot clearer but on a first or a cold start they would smoke badly some times there was fire seen out the top. what you filmed was mild compared to Clapham yard in winter....
Clapham yard in winter ? Luxury!, try the M1 through the Don Valley in Winter early 70’s people blamed the Steelworks but it was all the Diesels on Tinsley Shed starting up and fogging the Motorway out.
@@paulnolan1352After going not to bed got up before dawn and licked t’ tarmac off t’ road at WincoBank. Dunt kna’ ow lucky thee ar lad! 🤣 (love these driver stories thanks for yours, secretly very envious! Should have done that YTS!)
Got to love a couple of cold start tractors - back in the day I was on a Christmas loco pre-heating turn at Didcot and I had 11 class 37`s running like that, after about 10-15 mins you could not see the station or station road, at some point when the exhausts get hot enough but the locos are still over fueling (Most of the white smoke) you can get some very loud back fires and a few towers of flames out of the exhaust stacks, when they are only running on part bank you can get some epic smoke rings out as well. Great video, brings it all back - thanks.
That’s a superb piece of footage Alan and a thoroughly enjoyable watch, wishing you and Jane a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, cheers nige 🎄🚂
Many thanks Nige. Jane has a cough but we are basically fine! Hope you are enjoying your filming and keeping well. AND a Happy Christmas to you and yours!
It's a 1960s diesel engine, which depends entirely on the temperature of the combustion chamber to work properly. The tolerances of the engine components were far lower than something made today (same as any internal combustion engine) so it took a while for the engine to heat up to its operating temperature and work as intended.
My job was to start up the 37's at Godfrey Road sidings ( this location ) ready for service. Cold start caused a lot of smoke. Settled down when warmed up
normal coolant running temp is around 77 C , these locos are cold , coolant temp around 8 C. Coolant was Borax and water for many years, then antifreeze then pink engine coolant as used in cars. Those 37's in your video on MGR's were used to test 37's after big exams. 10 am Margam to Llanwern , empties back to Margam, we got off at Canton. We did one pre exam run, intercoolers blocked, causing over fuelling on Stormy Bank. That made all the exhaust pipes glow red. That was 37704. I even rode the tripple headers on ore in the 1970's
This was normal I had the job to start all the class 31s 47s 08s up over the Christmas period at Bounds Green depot to stop them freezing and ready for there duties the following day the whole depot and yard was thick with diesel fumes it’s was a sight back in the good old days happy times back then 👍🏻👍🏻
I used to look forward to the day when Pacers would go extinct. As for the 37, that’s normal. No glow plugs, no block heater and the “Cold Start” button just dumps more fuel into the cylinders. Added to that, the engine’s governor works with oil pressure so they do surge badly until warmed through. Oooooh all that unburnt diesel!!!!!
@@CrossfellRailwayVideosit was standard, 31’s were as bad…nearly killed me firing four 31’s in the shed at Buxton post Christmas…The shed extractors were switched off, and the acrid smoke had me choking for an hour, and my eyes were red raw…
At 1 minute I saw a piece of junk I'd never class as a train with character. A bus on rails, that's what I call them. The 37's here remind me of the days I used to go all over the country, where the variety of locos was absolutely amazing. Today, it's lost its appeal for me as I don't like modern traction. Time flies so fast it doesn't seem that long ago the UK was rife with lots of different traction that were interesting.
@CrossfellRailwayVideos I drove trains for over 20 years. When the new 450's came in, I lost the passion for it. I know it's a personal taste but modern trains have killed it for me.
Nice to see the old rail freight liveries and regional rail colours, fare do it wasn't perfect back then but better than the rainbow railways of today.
I was on this job in 2013 at Oxford on a 60. Flat batteries charged and a very cold engine. ruclips.net/video/1YbnZHnG04M/видео.htmlsi=TINVzLgFYwu8yWMz.
@@CrossfellRailwayVideos class 37's not sick, cold engine that's all . This did this when brand new . Smoke is un burned fuel as the engine cylinders are cold so impeding combustion. I have had flames on some of them. Worked on them for 50 years. We were told not to run them by the boss at Godfrey Road in later years, they were moved to nearby AD Junction , my base . They would take around 45 minutes to warm up and clear. We did suggest a coolant preheaters as fitted to Westerns . Class 70's have pre heaters
This is normal for then back in the day. You have to wind up those engines for 2-3mins before they start and then only one by one the cylinders would cut in slowly. All the smoke you see is all the unburnt diesel burning off in the exaust system. I remember Clapham Yard at four in the morning being so fogged out I had to walk forwards to check to see if the Shunt signal was off before we could leave. Two engines coupled together both doing what we call half fart running share the charging systems between them and keep both sets of batteries on both engines charging. We used to call that DONKEYING. The fuel that engines used back then was 85% diesel and 15% old used recycled filtered engine lube oil. When the engines got hotter they would run a lot clearer but on a first or a cold start they would smoke badly some times there was fire seen out the top. what you filmed was mild compared to Clapham yard in winter....
Thanks Jakob. Quite interesting, your tale!!
Clapham yard in winter ? Luxury!, try the M1 through the Don Valley in Winter early 70’s people blamed the Steelworks but it was all the Diesels on Tinsley Shed starting up and fogging the Motorway out.
@@paulnolan1352After going not to bed got up before dawn and licked t’ tarmac off t’ road at WincoBank. Dunt kna’ ow lucky thee ar lad! 🤣 (love these driver stories thanks for yours, secretly very envious! Should have done that YTS!)
Got to love a couple of cold start tractors - back in the day I was on a Christmas loco pre-heating turn at Didcot and I had 11 class 37`s running like that, after about 10-15 mins you could not see the station or station road, at some point when the exhausts get hot enough but the locos are still over fueling (Most of the white smoke) you can get some very loud back fires and a few towers of flames out of the exhaust stacks, when they are only running on part bank you can get some epic smoke rings out as well. Great video, brings it all back - thanks.
Many thanks for that. They must be really dirty machines!! A decent diesel engine doesn't do that!
@ only used to happen when they were very cold.
I thought they were trains, tractors are on a farm
I can smell it now and it smells beautiful, thank you for posting.
Our pleasure!
That’s a superb piece of footage Alan and a thoroughly enjoyable watch, wishing you and Jane a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, cheers nige 🎄🚂
Many thanks Nige. Jane has a cough but we are basically fine! Hope you are enjoying your filming and keeping well. AND a Happy Christmas to you and yours!
It's a 1960s diesel engine, which depends entirely on the temperature of the combustion chamber to work properly. The tolerances of the engine components were far lower than something made today (same as any internal combustion engine) so it took a while for the engine to heat up to its operating temperature and work as intended.
Thanks very much. Everybody says its normal but normal doesn't mean "right".
My job was to start up the 37's at Godfrey Road sidings ( this location ) ready for service. Cold start caused a lot of smoke. Settled down when warmed up
normal coolant running temp is around 77 C , these locos are cold , coolant temp around 8 C. Coolant was Borax and water for many years, then antifreeze then pink engine coolant as used in cars. Those 37's in your video on MGR's were used to test 37's after big exams. 10 am Margam to Llanwern , empties back to Margam, we got off at Canton. We did one pre exam run, intercoolers blocked, causing over fuelling on Stormy Bank. That made all the exhaust pipes glow red. That was 37704. I even rode the tripple headers on ore in the 1970's
Thanks for that.
A splendid train presentation !!
Many thanks!
Superb old video footage Alan. Great shots of the class 37 start ups. Cheers - Allan. 👍
Many thanks Allan! Twas good fun in those days!
Terrific, as another Welsh Lass once said, THOSE WERE THE DAYS.
Indeed!!
This was normal
I had the job to start all the class 31s 47s 08s up over the Christmas period at Bounds Green depot to stop them freezing and ready for there duties the following day the whole depot and yard was thick with diesel fumes it’s was a sight back in the good old days happy times back then 👍🏻👍🏻
Yes, indeed, I realise that it was normal for some machines. But it was perfect;y possible to start one without so much clag! In Summer, or when warm.
Great sound from the 37.👍
Yes, indeed!
What a difference now at that place!
Indeed!
I used to look forward to the day when Pacers would go extinct.
As for the 37, that’s normal. No glow plugs, no block heater and the “Cold Start” button just dumps more fuel into the cylinders. Added to that, the engine’s governor works with oil pressure so they do surge badly until warmed through. Oooooh all that unburnt diesel!!!!!
Not good, whatever excuses are provided !!
@@CrossfellRailwayVideosit was standard, 31’s were as bad…nearly killed me firing four 31’s in the shed at Buxton post Christmas…The shed extractors were switched off, and the acrid smoke had me choking for an hour, and my eyes were red raw…
Like 1 Beautiful capture!!
Many thanks!
Nice video 👍❤️
Thank you 🤗
Nothing like the smell of burning diesel on a cold morning.
Very true!
Not sick just cold.
Well, I'm sick when I'm that cold!!
Too bad we dont get Smellovision on here! 🥴 I bet that put a hole in the ozone over Newport that day. Bloody beautiful tho. God i luv tractors.
Thanks a lot!
At 1 minute I saw a piece of junk I'd never class as a train with character. A bus on rails, that's what I call them. The 37's here remind me of the days I used to go all over the country, where the variety of locos was absolutely amazing. Today, it's lost its appeal for me as I don't like modern traction. Time flies so fast it doesn't seem that long ago the UK was rife with lots of different traction that were interesting.
Well said!
@CrossfellRailwayVideos I drove trains for over 20 years. When the new 450's came in, I lost the passion for it. I know it's a personal taste but modern trains have killed it for me.
Nice to see the old rail freight liveries and regional rail colours, fare do it wasn't perfect back then but better than the rainbow railways of today.
Totally agree!
Green peace would love that 😂
Indeed they would!
South Wales was railway heaven 37 s pacers and hsts alll now gone 🏴
Yes, and the overhead wires don't help!
And we got rid of steam because it was Smokey noisy and took a long time to get started😁
Haha!
A steam locomotive takes several hours to get started, rather than several minutes.
That's normal
I have seen it different!
@@CrossfellRailwayVideos must have been a warm engine then.
I was on this job in 2013 at Oxford on a 60. Flat batteries charged and a very cold engine. ruclips.net/video/1YbnZHnG04M/видео.htmlsi=TINVzLgFYwu8yWMz.
Thanks a lot!
Good grief.
That's nothing - see below!
@CrossfellRailwayVideos I did. Those old engines certainly put on a show!
Helps to do a little research before you title the video.
Neither of those 37's are "rather sick" !!
Your opinion. I cannot the machine was designed to do this!
@@CrossfellRailwayVideos class 37's not sick, cold engine that's all . This did this when brand new . Smoke is un burned fuel as the engine cylinders are cold so impeding combustion. I have had flames on some of them. Worked on them for 50 years. We were told not to run them by the boss at Godfrey Road in later years, they were moved to nearby AD Junction , my base . They would take around 45 minutes to warm up and clear. We did suggest a coolant preheaters as fitted to Westerns . Class 70's have pre heaters
Not sick, just lazy.
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