I love how Barbflare Gremlin has haste, so it can swing in immediately to start pinging, but at the risk that everyone ELSE gets to accelerate their mana before you do. Or you can leave it back, then attack, then use the doubler on your turn. OR you can even cast spells beforehand if you don't need the mana ramp, then attack, and skirt the ping. It's super cool how many ways you can use it.
I also like the way it was worded so that you get to choose last. Let everyone else take out the most obvious threats then you get to pick something further down your threat list
3 Questions: 1) I prefer Valgamoth as the commander, Is that bad or should I play the lord of pain as the Commander? 2) If the answer of the previous answer is that I should play The lord of pain, Which other precon of duskmourn is fun and good out of the box (I don't really like the Lord of Pain as Commander, sorry😅) 3) Does the precons lower their prices as the time goes by?, I want to buy one, but the only time for that is when is Christmas season
@@alexisaravenagonzalez7787 1) if you don’t like The Lord Of Pain as a commander, then you shouldn’t play him. I’m not playing him because he’s “better” I’m playing him because I personally like him better. He’s more interesting to me 2) the best commander precon comes a lot down to personal play style. If you have a style you don’t like, even if it’s good, you probably won’t do good with it since you are using a lot of brain power hating it. 3) this is really a toss up. Some go up some go down. This one probably won’t
@@nutellakinesis Ahhh damn it, I really liked the deck, well maybe I can find other precon from older sets in offer. I really liked Valgamoth beacuse I really like to hit my opponets with a big creature in the face (my only other Commander deck is a Kyler Sygardian emmisary one [I found it in 50% offer the last christmas, and also it's my first physical Magic deck and it's in upgrade progress {I only started playing Magic the December of last year}]) Well, thanks anyway and sorry for taking part of your time telling things about me 😅. Have a nice day
@@alexisaravenagonzalez7787 A similar precon would be the fallout Mothman precon. Lots of new players like it and mothman is a big stompy creature that gets very large
@@nutellakinesis Thanks man, I gonna to considerate it. P.S: If I find other fun option I'm going to build that, beacuse I don't want to repeat green for my second deck.
I had a Juri deck that was honorary spell slinger because I'd used a lot of cheap instants to get him big and then fling him. So the Seance board would have been good in that. I also currently have a Junji Lilanna's contract deck where that's actually gonna be perfect because I'm always saccing Junji to get demons and he himself is a spirit! Excited to add it.
I was thinking about switching my ob nixilis for my group slug deck, because he's a bit too stormy and the deck revolves around him too much, so initially valvagoth seemed like a really cool way to "power down" my commander but also open up my chocies for group slug. I tried brewing with it and after goldfishing I found it somewhat underwhelming, like it was pretty much an ob nix deck that couldn't storm, I didn't gain that much. But Lord of Pain is just what I wanted! I can slam freely all the group slug I want, all the goad I want (which isn't the case with other commanders like mogis) and he just feels so much fun and the whole deck can work without him too. I'm honestly in love
Seance Board is actually SUPER good for Kylox, Visionary Inventor! He's an Izzet spellslinger deck that plays big spells and sacs creatures! Normally you just want to cast stuff for free, but sometimes you burned your board to roll the dice, this lets you have a backup way to get a nice amount of mana to hard cast your big spellslinger bombs if you're low on creatures in Kylox.
I have been waiting to get a precon for a while because I haven’t been a fan of some of the decks (there are cool ones but nothing that spoke to me). But I gotta say this deck looks super fun
13:00 I had the new Bladegriff Prototype in the thunder junction theft deck. I have it myriad and swung out, expecting political fireworks. But I was archenemy and everyone picked the same indestructible target so I got no value. Also this group slug deck is so cool!
I knew it. I knew this was gonna cook so I preordered it and I was right to do so because this sucker is already sold out online and being sold out and had its price doubled
Ward: Pay 2 life is their new lifelink/deathtouch in terms of a keyword they’ve been using a lot to add a bit of power to cards. At least on this one it makes a bit of sense, even though there is no way someone would target and not kill it you’d at least draw a card
Suspended sentence, I dont get this card (new player here). Does this mean if I pay 1 neutral 1 black, I can exile it "from my hand"? Or does this mean after the 1st time it was cast, I can pay the cost after the time counters resolve and have it suspended instead of being put in my Graveyard?
question regarding the Lord of Pain: if only 2 players are left and since the ability states "another" player and not "may.. deal dmg" wouldnt that technicly mean the controler of Lord of Pain would have to deal dmg to himself since there is no other valid target? Also the Sadistic Shell Game is a good answer against a Player that phased out before a boardwipe. Since there is no other creatures that player would have to destroy one of his own
There needs to be MSRP. Already seeing this deck retail $25 more than others. Obviously it’s super strong and chock full of reprints, but charge a standard $60 or something cause this always feels bad
You are sleeping on Seance Board. Getting creatures killed is not your limitation (sure, it helps), but being able to spend the mana is where it's at. I think it's gonna be an ultrastaple. Small Atraxa, any spellslinger, any of the mentioned tribals, deck where the commander is of that tribe. Yes, the floor is "does nothing", but the next step is Arcane Signet and anything beyond that is absolutely broken.
Would demon decks using Shadowborn Apostle like Séance Board? I know that it only triggers once regardless of how many creatures died, but maybe there are a lot of other sacrifice spells (like Deadly Dispute or those types of cards) that could power it as well. I guess the Shadowborn Apostle ability wouldn't add a ton to it, but I dunno, seems to fit thematically in a few ways. Doesn't seem like it would hurt.
Give Lord of Pain lifelink, laugh manically, profit, laugh manically. Plenty of ways to do it to, just to bad he isn't any target or Basilisk Collar would be a 100% staple for him. Still good for him though since deathtouch + menace is silly.
Barbfire feels kinda meh to me. Opponents doubling their mana and being able to get mana of any colour only to take one damage feels bad. Even more so that you can’t double that damage or add any extra in any way.
Why is he that similar to Gev, just one set later lol. I get that he’s a bigger threat himself instead of spreading out the +1’s but cmon. I like him but it’s the same exact group slug unless you build GeV the persist way.
19:00 4 mana for 3 devil tokens is "overcosted"? Hard disagree! 1 plus the amount of tokens you are making is a totally reasonable mana value, especially when you are making devil tokens.
I'm skeptical of Tomer's judgment calling this the strongest one. I think it's the weakest. The fact that it spreads damage means it can't reliably close out any single player while pissing off all of them.
Spreading the damage is great, it gives you huge card advantage + a large body on your commander. It just needs ways to keep the commander on the board.
@@ausear I mean, I get that. But the deck *needs* the commander in play to work, otherwise it's bad. The other decks play synergies that are all good and better with the commander around. This deck legitimately falls apart if Valgavoth dies 2 or 3 times and is in BAD colors to protect it. At minimum, you need Malakir Rebirth style effects to protect it. I guess Tibalt's Trickery is a must for the deck.
Agreed. The list is all over the place and the new cards often dont even synergize with the face commander. Was hoping for a stronger offering of slug mechanics. Oh well, at least it's a fun build around.
@@nutellakinesis Hexproof, Indestructible, Regenerate, Undying, and Persist are all better ways to add resilience to a creature. Maybe harder to balance or match to any given concept, but better than slapping ward on everything
I love how Barbflare Gremlin has haste, so it can swing in immediately to start pinging, but at the risk that everyone ELSE gets to accelerate their mana before you do. Or you can leave it back, then attack, then use the doubler on your turn. OR you can even cast spells beforehand if you don't need the mana ramp, then attack, and skirt the ping. It's super cool how many ways you can use it.
can't wait to see the upgrade guides for this deck
Sadistic Shell Game being another kill spell for hexproof/shroud creatures is a huge bonus too since it doesn’t target
Doesnt it also get around problack too? Good vs feast and Famine.
@@Gorbgorbenson Since Protection has the same clause as hexproof/shroud included of “Can’t be targeted by x” yeah
Yea.
I missed that for a while and thought it was just a worse hex, but now it looks a lot better.
I also like the way it was worded so that you get to choose last. Let everyone else take out the most obvious threats then you get to pick something further down your threat list
14:50 Kykar Winds Fury would enjoy Seance Board. Sacing tokens to pay for instants and sorceries.
Probably the best home for it :)
Anhelo would love this too
Yup
That's what I was thinking
Tomer's hair game strong as always.
Seance board is going into my Awaken the Blood Avatar deck for sure
Get in there!
Séance Board can't get any more perfect for Anhelo.
I love the list for this deck, it's a great starting point. Thanks Tomer for the content
Never bought a precon before but this definitely might be it. Don’t have a rakdos deck yet.
well good luck cuz it’s going for double price right now lol
Seance Board and Sadistic Shell Game both found a home in my Vren the Relentless deck, doing insane work.
16:00 Anelo! Casualty gets you the triggers for morbid and then you just enjoy the mana for your instants and sorceries
star athlete is gonna be fun, because it targets any non-land permanent. Not specifically from the person it attacked. Politics aplenty lol
I’m going to go with The Lord of Pain as the commander. Give him life link and you’re going to start getting tons of life
3 Questions:
1) I prefer Valgamoth as the commander, Is that bad or should I play the lord of pain as the Commander?
2) If the answer of the previous answer is that I should play The lord of pain, Which other precon of duskmourn is fun and good out of the box (I don't really like the Lord of Pain as Commander, sorry😅)
3) Does the precons lower their prices as the time goes by?, I want to buy one, but the only time for that is when is Christmas season
@@alexisaravenagonzalez7787 1) if you don’t like The Lord Of Pain as a commander, then you shouldn’t play him. I’m not playing him because he’s “better” I’m playing him because I personally like him better. He’s more interesting to me
2) the best commander precon comes a lot down to personal play style. If you have a style you don’t like, even if it’s good, you probably won’t do good with it since you are using a lot of brain power hating it.
3) this is really a toss up. Some go up some go down. This one probably won’t
@@nutellakinesis Ahhh damn it, I really liked the deck, well maybe I can find other precon from older sets in offer.
I really liked Valgamoth beacuse I really like to hit my opponets with a big creature in the face (my only other Commander deck is a Kyler Sygardian emmisary one [I found it in 50% offer the last christmas, and also it's my first physical Magic deck and it's in upgrade progress {I only started playing Magic the December of last year}])
Well, thanks anyway and sorry for taking part of your time telling things about me 😅. Have a nice day
@@alexisaravenagonzalez7787 A similar precon would be the fallout Mothman precon. Lots of new players like it and mothman is a big stompy creature that gets very large
@@nutellakinesis Thanks man, I gonna to considerate it.
P.S: If I find other fun option I'm going to build that, beacuse I don't want to repeat green for my second deck.
Aftermath ob nix stocks to the moon
Judith, Carnage Connoisseur is another great home for seance board
I had a Juri deck that was honorary spell slinger because I'd used a lot of cheap instants to get him big and then fling him. So the Seance board would have been good in that.
I also currently have a Junji Lilanna's contract deck where that's actually gonna be perfect because I'm always saccing Junji to get demons and he himself is a spirit! Excited to add it.
I was thinking about switching my ob nixilis for my group slug deck, because he's a bit too stormy and the deck revolves around him too much, so initially valvagoth seemed like a really cool way to "power down" my commander but also open up my chocies for group slug.
I tried brewing with it and after goldfishing I found it somewhat underwhelming, like it was pretty much an ob nix deck that couldn't storm, I didn't gain that much.
But Lord of Pain is just what I wanted! I can slam freely all the group slug I want, all the goad I want (which isn't the case with other commanders like mogis) and he just feels so much fun and the whole deck can work without him too. I'm honestly in love
Maybe I'm wrong, but this feels almost like the other side of the same coin to my Yurlok of Scorch Thrash deck. I'm stoked to play it
Séance Board will be sweet in Anhelo, the Painter. A mix of spellslinger and aristocrats, it's perfect.
Seance Board is actually SUPER good for Kylox, Visionary Inventor! He's an Izzet spellslinger deck that plays big spells and sacs creatures! Normally you just want to cast stuff for free, but sometimes you burned your board to roll the dice, this lets you have a backup way to get a nice amount of mana to hard cast your big spellslinger bombs if you're low on creatures in Kylox.
"Feed the swarm, Seth's favourite card" the shade is real 😂😂
Heads up looks like you linked the winter pre con list in the description
This decks looks great. Probably buying it
Seance board's flavor to be able to cast only spirits, demons, instants or sorceries is sweet!
Worth noting that Sadistic Shell Game gets through protection, hexproof, ward, and shroud.
Séance Board is an absolute slam dunk in Kykar
I have been waiting to get a precon for a while because I haven’t been a fan of some of the decks (there are cool ones but nothing that spoke to me). But I gotta say this deck looks super fun
13:00 I had the new Bladegriff Prototype in the thunder junction theft deck. I have it myriad and swung out, expecting political fireworks. But I was archenemy and everyone picked the same indestructible target so I got no value.
Also this group slug deck is so cool!
Seance board just looks good
Sadistic Shell Game gets around hexproof and ward, which makes it very good in my book.
I knew it. I knew this was gonna cook so I preordered it and I was right to do so because this sucker is already sold out online and being sold out and had its price doubled
Hey Tomer, does Séance Board go in our Tribal Tribal decks?
I really love your guys content
Suspended sentence go ham in that grixis upkeep commander
Ward: Pay 2 life is their new lifelink/deathtouch in terms of a keyword they’ve been using a lot to add a bit of power to cards. At least on this one it makes a bit of sense, even though there is no way someone would target and not kill it you’d at least draw a card
I'm thinking of running a few wound reflection type effects with him though, which would have a side effect of essentially boosting the ward cost
Suspended sentence, I dont get this card (new player here). Does this mean if I pay 1 neutral 1 black, I can exile it "from my hand"?
Or does this mean after the 1st time it was cast, I can pay the cost after the time counters resolve and have it suspended instead of being put in my Graveyard?
Love these vids ❤❤
wow! persistent constrictor is perfect for my mono B yawgmoth zombies deck
Seance board is more powerfull than it looks, because it triggers on each end step
I would put Seance Board into my Imodane Pyrohammer deck. Should be Mana positive pretty fast.
seance board in judith, carnage connoisseur
question regarding the Lord of Pain: if only 2 players are left and since the ability states "another" player and not "may.. deal dmg" wouldnt that technicly mean the controler of Lord of Pain would have to deal dmg to himself since there is no other valid target?
Also the Sadistic Shell Game is a good answer against a Player that phased out before a boardwipe. Since there is no other creatures that player would have to destroy one of his own
There needs to be MSRP. Already seeing this deck retail $25 more than others. Obviously it’s super strong and chock full of reprints, but charge a standard $60 or something cause this always feels bad
You are sleeping on Seance Board. Getting creatures killed is not your limitation (sure, it helps), but being able to spend the mana is where it's at. I think it's gonna be an ultrastaple. Small Atraxa, any spellslinger, any of the mentioned tribals, deck where the commander is of that tribe. Yes, the floor is "does nothing", but the next step is Arcane Signet and anything beyond that is absolutely broken.
Would demon decks using Shadowborn Apostle like Séance Board? I know that it only triggers once regardless of how many creatures died, but maybe there are a lot of other sacrifice spells (like Deadly Dispute or those types of cards) that could power it as well. I guess the Shadowborn Apostle ability wouldn't add a ton to it, but I dunno, seems to fit thematically in a few ways. Doesn't seem like it would hurt.
Tomer you really couldn’t be any cuter.
paws 🐾
Give Lord of Pain lifelink, laugh manically, profit, laugh manically. Plenty of ways to do it to, just to bad he isn't any target or Basilisk Collar would be a 100% staple for him. Still good for him though since deathtouch + menace is silly.
But what about when you are 1v1 in the end?
Group slug lets go!
Grixis spellslinger with Maestros :)
niv-mizzet parun thats what im thinking
I don't play the commander but Anhelo could like Seance Board
Evil Bumbleflower?
Group Slug historically is the opposite of Group Hug
so yes
this deck might need a few protection pieces more for the commander
otherwise its rly cool
Nekusar is getting powercrept
Swap 10 cards for protection, kaya ghostform should be in any deck thar cares about your commander sticking around.
Seance Board should be good in Anhelo decks.
Seance board in a raffine proliferate deck
Lord of pain’s art is so goofy that I can’t take it seriously
Barbfire feels kinda meh to me. Opponents doubling their mana and being able to get mana of any colour only to take one damage feels bad. Even more so that you can’t double that damage or add any extra in any way.
Why is he that similar to Gev, just one set later lol. I get that he’s a bigger threat himself instead of spreading out the +1’s but cmon. I like him but it’s the same exact group slug unless you build GeV the persist way.
19:00 4 mana for 3 devil tokens is "overcosted"? Hard disagree! 1 plus the amount of tokens you are making is a totally reasonable mana value, especially when you are making devil tokens.
Gleeful arsonist has no reason being that good. Shuts down a lot of cedh combos. Yes, please recast your led over and over or brain freeze combos.
Give infect to the lord of pain
I'm skeptical of Tomer's judgment calling this the strongest one. I think it's the weakest. The fact that it spreads damage means it can't reliably close out any single player while pissing off all of them.
Spreading the damage is great, it gives you huge card advantage + a large body on your commander. It just needs ways to keep the commander on the board.
@@ausear I mean, I get that. But the deck *needs* the commander in play to work, otherwise it's bad. The other decks play synergies that are all good and better with the commander around. This deck legitimately falls apart if Valgavoth dies 2 or 3 times and is in BAD colors to protect it. At minimum, you need Malakir Rebirth style effects to protect it. I guess Tibalt's Trickery is a must for the deck.
Agreed. The list is all over the place and the new cards often dont even synergize with the face commander. Was hoping for a stronger offering of slug mechanics. Oh well, at least it's a fun build around.
@@davidrosenberg9615in what way does this deck need valgovoth? He’s just a value engine. The 99 is doing the heavy lifting
@@hahahafunniness it’s not all over the place. Not sure what you’re referring to. It’s Rakdos and dealing damage. There’s not much to be muddled about
i hate ward, its so samey and overdone, wotc please stop
What would you have them do instead?
@@nutellakinesis Hexproof, Indestructible, Regenerate, Undying, and Persist are all better ways to add resilience to a creature. Maybe harder to balance or match to any given concept, but better than slapping ward on everything
@@VenzyntRoleplay I’d argue ward is better than Hexproof since you can target it if you want
I guess they want to make Commander super aggro as well. They already ruined every other format with bullshit aggro so why not Commander.
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