The Marble Machine comes to Life - Say Hello to 45 Degree Angles

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  • @Wintergatan
    @Wintergatan  2 месяца назад +417

    Hey and thanks to everyone leaving wonderful comments on last weeks video. It was great to see the positive reaction!
    BTW Don´t worry about the structural arcs in the sketch, they were only there to make a point that i forgot to mention in the video.
    I think making this machine as compact as possible will make it inherit some of the same type of beauty as the previous versions had. Now, on to some real world prototyping again, revisiting dropping marbles on bass :).

    • @Deqster
      @Deqster 2 месяца назад +10

      I'd love you too build off the aesthetic of mmx, it is a nice hybrid of steel and wood, and has that skeleton clock look you were talking about.

    • @oygemprime3864
      @oygemprime3864 2 месяца назад +7

      Definitely agree that compactness will bring in some of that beauty! The compact nature really makes the complexity that is there so much more apparent, since you can see in one place just how much goes into the process. Excited to see what comes next in the process!

    • @redmonkey3556
      @redmonkey3556 2 месяца назад +3

      You did say form by function, so I hope its functional.

    • @dilbert0815
      @dilbert0815 2 месяца назад +2

      the joints would be needed in any case would you go for the bigger maschine.
      There is no way to align a large mechanical contraption perfectly in stage. You would need to decouple modules anyway using cupplers that allow angle variations as well as smaller misalignments.
      And thats the crux of the stage-wide marble maschine. So making it compact is an outright necessity of being portable.
      Else you end up as the equivalent of an organ-maker that needs a immobile building to install his contraption.

    • @davidwilson6577
      @davidwilson6577 2 месяца назад

      Please tell me you can ditch the wings :)

  • @secondengineer9814
    @secondengineer9814 2 месяца назад +1478

    I can't wait to go to the Marble Machine concert and stand in a grid pattern with 5000 other people

    • @awesomestuff9715
      @awesomestuff9715 2 месяца назад +90

      I'll be in row 56 column 1083

    • @Grombags
      @Grombags 2 месяца назад +25

      I did think it looked a bit like a fascist rally! 😯 Also, a very silly way to stand to watch something in perfect rows behind eachother. Needs to be staggered to give everyone a 'window' 🤭

    • @thundermagnet
      @thundermagnet 2 месяца назад +57

      Don’t forget, we must all have our arms straight out, lifter 45 degrees!

    • @robertholtz
      @robertholtz 2 месяца назад +6

      @@thundermagnetHaha! You beat me to it. Perfection.👌😂

    • @nixtarma
      @nixtarma 2 месяца назад +3

      Make sure you have your all-gray sweatsuit too!

  • @plutoplanet4275
    @plutoplanet4275 2 месяца назад +383

    One of the most mesmerizing things about the two earlier machines was seeing the marbles going up ladders, spirals, through gears and staircases. Prominently display the marble paths.

    • @sleeptwitch8950
      @sleeptwitch8950 2 месяца назад +21

      Indeed. It's a musical marble run structure. That's what's fun about it.

    • @noeperard8843
      @noeperard8843 2 месяца назад +13

      This is the key factor. Deep down, we're all kids that love marble runs.

    • @Schmidtelpunkt
      @Schmidtelpunkt 2 месяца назад +4

      Indeed. And those paths are the least important for timing, so going wild with them won't hurt the function.

    • @innertuber4049
      @innertuber4049 2 месяца назад

      ​@@Schmidtelpunktwell... not sure how much of the MMX process you watched...

    • @Schmidtelpunkt
      @Schmidtelpunkt 2 месяца назад +2

      @@innertuber4049Oh yes, I forgot about the planetary gears... maybe going wild but not too wild would be the better option.

  • @jarongittinger
    @jarongittinger 2 месяца назад +312

    it took 7+ years for Martin to have the epiphany that he was correct in the beginning that this machine is a piece of art and not some impossibly flawless engineering masterpiece.

    • @vhat2
      @vhat2 2 месяца назад +40

      In another 7 years he will be in the other side again

    • @grahamthomas9319
      @grahamthomas9319 2 месяца назад +9

      When you finally reach the conclusion your childhood dream was spot on, then there is nothing more to do but go for it. It’s the audacity to believe that takes people forever to attain, after that it’s just hard work and a whole lot of fun.

    • @suvidani
      @suvidani 2 месяца назад +5

      Haha, let's wait 3 months. :D

    • @ppprime98K
      @ppprime98K 2 месяца назад

      Ehm that's how he went for almost 7 years... and hitting rock bottom because of his fundamental mistakes.
      I personally think that his chasing this early on the design can be another project killer if he lets his "impulse" to take again, and i would suggest Martin building each piece first and then seeing how would connect together, As far as i know he has done only proof of concepts of specific parts of the machine like the speed control mechanism and the marble drop accuracy, but not the module as a whole, his MMX downfall was that as a whole didn't function properly from the beginning he put the machine together, I hope this just doesn't turn in another failed project.

    • @skedfinger
      @skedfinger 2 месяца назад

      @@ppprime98KMaybe the problem is not the goals, but the method.
      Maybe.

  • @GudasWorld
    @GudasWorld 2 месяца назад +387

    A marbal waterfall that you stand under? You can wear a hardhat. A hardhat with LED. Maybe make the hardhat like a cymbil. The possibilities are endless.

    • @gaspode8
      @gaspode8 2 месяца назад +1

      Thought of the same idea. 😀

    • @pizzatheface
      @pizzatheface 2 месяца назад +5

      Floor marbles… *shudder!*

    • @jazzman616
      @jazzman616 2 месяца назад +4

      ​@@pizzatheface Make the platform a grating with a funnel underneath. Probably won't catch everything, but it could be viable

    • @IvoTichelaar
      @IvoTichelaar 2 месяца назад

      You're thinking of his brother ;-)

    • @paulbeglane5489
      @paulbeglane5489 2 месяца назад

      If he agrees to wear a Devo hat for protection I support this.

  • @odw32
    @odw32 2 месяца назад +179

    Above all, I love the change in your mood & motivation, it seems to have changed from "Help, I'm stuck in a gray cubicle and I'm forced to design machines" to "Life is an amusement park, engineering is a tool to turn wild dreams into reality!".
    Fun is truly an essential requirement, it's the grease which keeps the artist/engineer going!

    • @Schmidtelpunkt
      @Schmidtelpunkt 2 месяца назад +2

      Unfortunately it comes at a point where the modular concept has not been proven to work in the first place. Instead it added a layer of complexity to a task which on its own is already impossible to accomplish. But the failing will probably be more fun to watch that way.

    • @awogbob
      @awogbob 2 месяца назад +1

      I'm sure you have achieved a lot and have a lot of joy in your life

    • @felreaverguy
      @felreaverguy Месяц назад

      @Schmidtelpunkt shut up dork

  • @marinertheraccoon
    @marinertheraccoon 2 месяца назад +134

    Consider "Constant Velocity Joints" like the axles in front-wheel and 4-wheel drive cars use, they don't have the consistently problem of universal/cardan joints.

    • @macedindu829
      @macedindu829 2 месяца назад +6

      And they're readily available as car parts.

    • @d455ave
      @d455ave 2 месяца назад +5

      This. Or bevel gears.

    • @TitoRigatoni
      @TitoRigatoni 2 месяца назад +9

      A double cardan joint (as he showed) solves the consistency problem. It is a type of Constant Velocity joint.

    • @paulomtambos567
      @paulomtambos567 2 месяца назад

      I was about to say that

    • @paulomtambos567
      @paulomtambos567 2 месяца назад

      @@TitoRigatonigood point.

  • @dansegelov305
    @dansegelov305 2 месяца назад +611

    Hey Martin. DO NOT use cardan/universal joints. They do not transmit rotation evenly! The rotation speed on the output rises and falls twice per rotation. You will lose the tightness you've been chasing.
    You need 'constant velocity joints' (CV joints.)

    • @paavokaleva
      @paavokaleva 2 месяца назад +23

      That was my first thought when I saw cardan.

    • @marcinkowalczyk647
      @marcinkowalczyk647 2 месяца назад +3

      @@paavokaleva concur !

    • @user-wo7rl4nm7w
      @user-wo7rl4nm7w 2 месяца назад +8

      Like this until martin sees this

    • @jonasdaverio9369
      @jonasdaverio9369 2 месяца назад +81

      He showed a double cardan joint. A double cardan joint is CV joint. By the way, I'm pretty sure someone on his Discord engineer server is aware of that.

    • @SteevyTable
      @SteevyTable 2 месяца назад +22

      What he showed on screen does transmit constant velocity as long as you get your angles right.

  • @LJBisbee
    @LJBisbee 2 месяца назад +88

    Honestly, it feels like Martin is back. Watching him have fun these last few weeks have been great

    • @watchpath5019
      @watchpath5019 2 месяца назад +1

      Martin passion is contagious. I feel like everything will go for the best on this project from now on.

    • @yannmassard3970
      @yannmassard3970 2 месяца назад

      nah you missunderstood what s happening. A 49 yo slim wearing man completely lost who s trying as much as he can to re exist. That s what s hapenning. He s completely delusional. Egocentric, and depressive (he is depressed).

    • @Nooticus
      @Nooticus 2 месяца назад

      Agreed

  • @Simred69
    @Simred69 2 месяца назад +201

    you basically took an angle grinder to the old design. it never dies

    • @prebenkul
      @prebenkul 2 месяца назад +12

      Thats because the MMX was poorly planned, the frame wasnt allowing him to add and remove things he wanted to change. So the only way was to angle grind and then weld the next piece. But imagine if he had designed it form by function, imagine how easier it would be. I'm certain that if he makes MMX 3 with all that he has learned, it will succeed.

    • @alexandrecosta2567
      @alexandrecosta2567 2 месяца назад +22

      Pain is temporary, glory is forever

    • @PabloEdvardo
      @PabloEdvardo 2 месяца назад +2

      @@prebenkul exactly, he now understands the reason behind modular design, but also that you can create modules within space contraints

    • @leftcoastfunk
      @leftcoastfunk 2 месяца назад +3

      at least this time he did it before it was built, right?

    • @eveleynce
      @eveleynce 2 месяца назад +2

      it's always much easier to angle grind on paper than on metal

  • @roippi3985
    @roippi3985 2 месяца назад +300

    This is a slippery slope. What’s next, 30 degree angles? Semicircles? *Elliptic curves*?!

    • @CharlesGriswold
      @CharlesGriswold 2 месяца назад +19

      Absolutely. I would love to see some elliptical curve joints in the finished machine.

    • @kbouwman64
      @kbouwman64 2 месяца назад +5

      Bezier?

    • @squirrelwood8008
      @squirrelwood8008 2 месяца назад +15

      Quantum entanglement! Send the marbles through other universes!

    • @xhivo97
      @xhivo97 2 месяца назад +3

      Cryptographic marble machine

    • @denziljoe
      @denziljoe 2 месяца назад +1

      Infinitely tighter angles

  • @intagliode
    @intagliode 2 месяца назад +66

    NO TO UNIVERSAL JOINTS IF YOU WANT TIGHT MUSIC. The Cardin joint or universal joint velocity changes the steeper the angle of the joint becomes. That is why CV joints (constant velocity) are used on vehicles to remove this issue.

    • @TitoRigatoni
      @TitoRigatoni 2 месяца назад +6

      A double cardan joint (as he showed) does not have this problem. It IS a constant velocity joint.

    • @intagliode
      @intagliode 2 месяца назад +1

      Very true. For double joints.

    • @SaintNath
      @SaintNath Месяц назад

      Legalize it! Oh wait...

  • @BattleGrown
    @BattleGrown 2 месяца назад +26

    Next step: "guys this machine can't play tight music, function must come before form!"

    • @Kandralla
      @Kandralla 2 месяца назад +1

      Yeah... I think that's coming.
      If you put form before function then just save the time and money and make a painting. That's not to say that form doesn't matter, but a pretty airplane that can't fly isn't an airplane and it's much harder to make a working airplane than it is to make a pretty airplane.

  • @kamnxt
    @kamnxt 2 месяца назад +98

    regarding the car engine bay comparison, it might be modular but that doesn't mean some cars don't have parts that need to be accessed often hidden deep and requiring significant disassembly haha. making something compact yet easily repairable/modifiable is a real challenge.

    • @SteevyTable
      @SteevyTable 2 месяца назад +3

      He showed a car that didn't do too badly if the cousin to it that I'm driving is any indication. (WRX vs my Impreza) Except spark plugs. Those suck.

    • @grahamthomas9319
      @grahamthomas9319 2 месяца назад +1

      It’s also not really a priority anymore either. These new cars are basically iPads with wheels. I have an air cooled VW. If it has gas and spark it runs. I do most of the work in a lawn chair.

    • @Roomsaver
      @Roomsaver 2 месяца назад +2

      @@grahamthomas9319The car he showed is a 2008-2014 WRX, not exactly an iPad on wheels

  • @RabbitDamnIt
    @RabbitDamnIt 2 месяца назад +52

    Martin: I want to play the tightest music on a mechanical machine and it needs to be perfect and I can tour with it
    Also Martin: Let's build something 4 time bigger and more complexe with much more moving parts

    • @minerscale
      @minerscale 2 месяца назад +8

      Bigger simplifies it significantly! At least it's easier to take apart and put back together. Which will have to happen in hours with no margin for error in the context of a world tour. A denser machine is not simpler! This is a bit more spread out. The animusic thing is ridiculous I must say but it's too cool to dismiss. All it's missing is a kinetic finger the size of a two story building.

    • @RabbitDamnIt
      @RabbitDamnIt 2 месяца назад +1

      @@minerscale bigger light simplify a lot of things as you are more free to make adjustments and they can be a bit less rigorous. Maybe it's easier to separate elements and make modules (easier with different workgroups and easier to disassemble). But it's Martin, je will want to have the notes played perfectly. And synchronising thing a bigger scale can also be a big challenge.

    • @RabbitDamnIt
      @RabbitDamnIt 2 месяца назад +2

      He will also have to deal with the weight of components, thing he had a less to worry about in small machine. Materials will have much more physical constraints. Anyway, like a lot of people, it's hard to finish projects. And easy to start new ones.

    • @volrath__
      @volrath__ 2 месяца назад +2

      The problem with the MMX though was everything was a compromise to fit the form factor... That's why he is moving in this direction... Give the modules space to actually function as intended, you can always shrink things later...
      You actually see this a lot in high tech developments... Prototypes of tech are normally massive (most games consoles start life looking like a VCR from the mid 80s or a tower PC). Only later do they shrink and gain the clean aesthetic we know.
      When a team is designing an F1 car the first running engine/power unit is massive and laid bare, it wouldn't fit in a car if they tried! They then refine and shrink the design to get the same output in a smaller unit...
      I know it's counter intuitive, but having things spread out will help make things function better and play tighter music... As long as the system can be driven reliably (my one concern right now is inertia)... Because there is less compromise, less things in the way, less complexity.

    • @Mark_LaCroix
      @Mark_LaCroix 2 месяца назад +5

      @h__ One of Martin's biggest mistakes of the past few years is one you're making with that analogy. He's not designing either a consumer product or a professional, optimized system. He has problems that "high tech" product designers don't have which he has been ignoring, but worse, those designers have all sorts of problems that Martin doesn't have, yet has been spending way more time trying to solve those problems. He's not designing or building a mass-produced item like a Tesla or an iPhone, or a performance-tested system like an F1 engine, so most of the lessons learned from those designers' processes are of absolutely no use to him.
      You're talking about making decisions that would need to be tested in a competitive environment (whether a market or a racetrack) and then refined and iterated on before perfecting them in... a MM7 or MM8? Assuming the MM3 is a success, is Martin even going to build a MM4? Is that the goal? Because a finished MM is not a product with a lot of users, nor will it get a lot of use (even if he played a live show with it every week for multiple years), what actionable intel can he possibly hope to gain from its deployment that could even be brought back to the drawing board to refine that process you're talking about?
      That's one of the reasons that the MMX (and until now the MM3) stalled, sputtered, and was frequently reinvented. He thinks he's doing all this testing, but he's thinking like a product designer not an inventor or artist. He needs to *make choices* and stick with them, and he needs to be less flexible. This requires a lot more faith and trust (and seemingly needless redundancy and error margins) in his design, in the absence of the precise raw data he'll *never* be able to collect (no matter how many marble drops he does). Yes, it also means major consequences if he makes bad choices, but he has to decide now to live with those choices, rather than continually keep his options open until he finds the perfect, and most efficient, flexible, adaptable solutions, because there's fundamentally no way he'll ever get there on this project.

  • @MrJosch700
    @MrJosch700 2 месяца назад +91

    I would actually argue that's beeing part of beeing a good engineer. Not just dismiss everything a designer comes up with, rather work together with the designer and create a beautiful mesmerizing product

    • @verdatum
      @verdatum 2 месяца назад +4

      It's also when to spot a feeping creaturism, and when to say "NO!" And this can take a lifetime to master. It makes the difference between projects that NEVER deliver, and projects deliver and blow people away even if you have your regrets about what had to left out, and (shudder) Star Wars: Special Edition. NEVER GO FULL GEORGE LUCAS.

    • @thomasbecker9676
      @thomasbecker9676 2 месяца назад

      "Beeing?"
      Also, Martin isn't an engineer.

    • @user-bc7cb8uu7e
      @user-bc7cb8uu7e 2 месяца назад +1

      You also can't say yes to everything the designer wants either. You have to find the balance between design, function, and deliverability. That's what makes a great engineer.

  • @TimothyFish
    @TimothyFish 2 месяца назад +82

    The "steam punk" comment is spot on. That's, essentially, what you are creating. The governor should be very visible. Have you considered actually powering it with steam?

    • @Kaepsele337
      @Kaepsele337 2 месяца назад +4

      Steam whistles!!!!

    • @woowooNeedsFaith
      @woowooNeedsFaith 2 месяца назад +18

      No. He powers it with punk.

    • @AoiKaze2000
      @AoiKaze2000 2 месяца назад +2

      @@woowooNeedsFaithMaybe Steampunk marbles powered by steam?

  • @Ludix147
    @Ludix147 2 месяца назад +95

    At this point I have simply accepted that this channel is just reflections on projects in general and it's no longer about building the marble machine.

    • @Ludix147
      @Ludix147 2 месяца назад +12

      Actually I think I would like a music focused episode again at some point. I always liked those!

    • @Meatpie007
      @Meatpie007 2 месяца назад +13

      Don’t you want to see a new prototype for marble gate version 612

    • @douglascaskey7302
      @douglascaskey7302 2 месяца назад +4

      I think Martin needs to decide what he wants to be when he grows up... a Musician that makes music, or a wanna be designer / engineer that just makes RUclips content?

    • @Meatpie007
      @Meatpie007 2 месяца назад +4

      @@douglascaskey7302 Mmmm Patreon Money 🤤

    • @Oxtorayk
      @Oxtorayk 2 месяца назад +1

      back in my day Wintergatan was a band putting out albums. 11 years of this machine madness.

  • @Thomas_wur
    @Thomas_wur 2 месяца назад +52

    U-joints/Cardan joints causes the angular velocity to oscillate throughout the rotation (for a constant angular velocity of the input shaft). While on average it will be the same, at moments it will spin faster or slower than the input shaft

    • @brianmeyer2699
      @brianmeyer2699 2 месяца назад

      Consider rzeppa joint instead.

    • @g_glop
      @g_glop 2 месяца назад +6

      That can be solved using a double cardan shaft with correct phasing and alignment, or a double cardan joint. Still, the middle piece won't have constant velocity and will generate vibrations

    • @jdmjesus6103
      @jdmjesus6103 2 месяца назад +1

      This is wrong, using a double u joint as shown cancels the effect (provided the angles are equal).

    • @AlexanderNash
      @AlexanderNash 2 месяца назад

      Yep, but morons keep repeating this@@jdmjesus6103

    • @Mark_LaCroix
      @Mark_LaCroix 2 месяца назад

      The cruel irony of this is that that amount of oscillation is likely small enough to still play "tight enough" music, especially at the BPMs he wants the machine to play at, but when Martin sees all the comments about it he's going to have an identity crisis. Like, how important is "must play tight music" to the project, really? Should it still be the first priority? Second?

  • @HappyJackington
    @HappyJackington 2 месяца назад +19

    A serious problem with the Cardan (or universal/U) joint is that it is not a constant-velocity joint. This means that as it rotates, the output shaft will speed up and slow down relative to the angle between the input and output shaft. What you want to use if you go down this route is Constant-Velocity (or CV) joints. They are specifically designed to eliminate this issue with Cardan joints.
    CV joints are surprisingly common and used in any front-wheel drive car. It is how the engine motor delivers power to the wheels of the car through a changing suspension angle. That would be my bet to keep your music tight while allowing for this angled setup.

    • @TitoRigatoni
      @TitoRigatoni 2 месяца назад +3

      A double cardan joint (as he showed) does not have this problem. It IS a constant velocity joint.

  • @kentslocum
    @kentslocum 2 месяца назад +9

    So glad to see that I wasn't wrong about the older designs; no one wants to see a purely functional machine--there needs to be an element of superfluous magic! 😊

  • @pizzatheface
    @pizzatheface 2 месяца назад +18

    Martin, I would even contend there is a third reason we are following you on this journey: The artistry of the videos. You have combined three different artistic media in an amazing way!

    • @osculant
      @osculant 2 месяца назад +1

      This is something I’ve been saying all along. After abandoning MMX, he moved to a engineering/cad/webcam model and it just didn’t have the same charm. It always seemed like not being able to take the machine on a world tour was a failure of his to produce art, when in reality the reason many people came and stayed was because the videos were the art we were seeking. Along with whimsy was music; having a soundtrack to a video of a cnc machine was somehow cool. Recently I’ve felt a return to the previous era and I’m excited for it.
      Also when you think about it, let’s say he books a wildly successful world tour, 100 cities and 1000 people per city, that’s 100,000 who will get to see it on tour. About 3-4% of total subscribers. If I had to guess, closer to 99% of subscribers will never see it in person by the time it’s done. Which is really all just to say, most of us are here just to watch the process. And personally as long as the process is entertaining, I’m fine with however long it takes and how ever many changes he makes. And glad he seems a lot happier and inspired by the project.

  • @cube4547
    @cube4547 2 месяца назад +51

    i have watched your videos on and off for years and gotten inspired in multiple ways, and i want to say this...
    i think the charm of the original marble machine is in how raw it was.
    it's not about funny marbles or about a highly complex machine making music... it's about someone making a machine that can play beautiful music out of wood and Legos.
    it's about all those marbles on the floor. it's about action/reaction.
    it's about the joy of crafting something

    • @PixelBrushArt
      @PixelBrushArt 2 месяца назад +2

      THIS. I loved the jank of it.

    • @KatePhiz
      @KatePhiz 2 месяца назад +2

      It was put together on instinct not CAD drawings. I don't think the new process is able to deliver anything as fun as the first two machines.

    • @r.e.m.s
      @r.e.m.s 2 месяца назад

      Cardan joint are non linear, you should take care when you use them

    • @petercolquhoun2086
      @petercolquhoun2086 2 месяца назад

      A constant velocity (CV) joint may be needed to keep the rotation speed well, constant. @@r.e.m.s

    • @Tech_Marauder
      @Tech_Marauder 2 месяца назад +1

      Yes, but MMX had a slightly different charm that’s equally valid, which was a beautifully and articulate engineered look, which is what he’s going for now. I personally like the MMX a lot more than the original.

  • @wgolyoko
    @wgolyoko 2 месяца назад +23

    I'm so happy.
    I can see people playing music anywhere, but there's only place I can watch someone play a marble machine. The heart of the project is being cool :)

    • @thomasbecker9676
      @thomasbecker9676 2 месяца назад +6

      When was the last time Martin played a marble machine?

  • @akukelilipan
    @akukelilipan 2 месяца назад +3

    And here we are, rocking forth between forms and functions 🤣

  • @OrbvsTomarvm
    @OrbvsTomarvm 2 месяца назад +4

    he woke up and smelled the coffee.

  • @andresparedes-vincent2851
    @andresparedes-vincent2851 2 месяца назад +3

    this video feels like a huge step forward in the right direction that you could only take after spending so long working on fundamentals. It's like we say in visual art, you have to learn the rules first before you can break them.

  • @dhyanais
    @dhyanais 2 месяца назад +8

    Perfectionism is a tough trade.

  • @HadynLander
    @HadynLander 2 месяца назад +13

    Martin discussing technical engineering details: interesting enough, I guess.
    Martin excitedly detailing his art project: the purest joy.
    I respected the project either way, but I'm so glad to see this return to playfulness!

  • @silivrengamer
    @silivrengamer 2 месяца назад +5

    I think your thought processes show what kind of artist you are. I ALSO think that going back to basics and finding the things that would take away some of the faults of the other machines was a GOOD thing. Once you did all that, you can step back and say, ok, now what? This is THAT. This is the point in an oil painting when you’ve finalized your sketch and are starting to commit it to the canvas so you can paint it for real.

  • @valdir7426
    @valdir7426 2 месяца назад +2

    "that's bells and whistles" yeah litterally

  • @starblaiz1986
    @starblaiz1986 2 месяца назад +5

    Engineering is all about the HOW. Art is all about the WHY. I'm so happy to see you beginning to realise that and bring these two important aspects of life together in this project! 😊❤

  • @bzqp2
    @bzqp2 2 месяца назад +14

    When it gets so big it stops being an instrument. Octobasse is the limit Martin.

    • @bzqp2
      @bzqp2 2 месяца назад +17

      The MM and MMX were beautifully compressed. You could see a very complex, top-heavy machinery-cube standing on grotesque looking thin legs. They were both perfectly proportional with regards to the operator. It was something between an instrument and... a musician on its own. Just like the "Strandbeests" are not only machines but also characters with personality. The design you are showing us now feels much too exploded. It becomes a part of the scene, a weird background.

    • @lvn5609
      @lvn5609 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@@bzqp2 Yeah that's what I thought but couldn't word to myself

    • @MaMastoast
      @MaMastoast 2 месяца назад +5

      @@bzqp2 I agree. What I liked about the previous versions is that it felt like a single, complex, object.

  • @niels1917
    @niels1917 2 месяца назад +32

    Not sure why nobody wants to swim, but someone needs to dive in and save Martin. It feels like he is drowning for the past 4 years...

  • @valentine9586
    @valentine9586 2 месяца назад +12

    YES, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT! a soul of the machine, not a perfect music playing square with perfect timings like a computer program, but a music machine that has its own unique sounds, and nieches!

  • @IsaacDaBoatSloth
    @IsaacDaBoatSloth 2 месяца назад +5

    the idea of the huge marble tracks is a very functional way to ensure they dont run out of marbles

  • @panzudo007
    @panzudo007 2 месяца назад +3

    The new design looks like an amusement park where a group of friend can come a play... and make music along.

  • @lastproductionstudio
    @lastproductionstudio 2 месяца назад +1

    Here comes the precision chasing within the drive train

  • @jwybecker
    @jwybecker 2 месяца назад +17

    It's good to see the old Martin back :)

  • @louleke77
    @louleke77 2 месяца назад +1

    I'm glad you're returning to a design more artistic, more intricate, with more wheel visually wheeling. It's what made the magic of the first two one for me!

  • @sammybeasley9599
    @sammybeasley9599 2 месяца назад +2

    Loving the new look
    Can't wait to see it in person!!

  • @benjacobsonn
    @benjacobsonn 2 месяца назад +3

    So glad Martin changed his perspective of MM3. If he was going for strictly functional, he would’ve made the whole thing with solenoids and been done 2 years ago. Using marbles to play music is inherently artistic, and the machine should reflect that. Now this isn’t to say the machine doesn’t need to be well engineered and have well-defined requirements, but I say bring on the fun!

    • @ppprime98K
      @ppprime98K 2 месяца назад

      I don't because he hasn't built anything beside proof of concepts of parts

  • @deadmanschest4322
    @deadmanschest4322 2 месяца назад +2

    nice side effect of "the 45° angle", the Marble Machine also looks much more like an orchestra

  • @gaboc.r251
    @gaboc.r251 13 дней назад +1

    The “some part of the audience has already left” 1:42 was AAAMAZING

  • @briangindling1266
    @briangindling1266 2 месяца назад +1

    This is really breathing much needed new life into the marble machine!

  • @AlexAegisOfficial
    @AlexAegisOfficial 2 месяца назад +1

    the world is healing

  • @patrycjuszsinkiewicz6935
    @patrycjuszsinkiewicz6935 2 месяца назад +2

    After watching this video I can only say one thing. Welcome back Martin

  • @mindthemoods
    @mindthemoods 2 месяца назад +3

    Glad to see ya finding some joy working on the artistic side of things! An elaborate design philosophy is good, but it's nice not to get too caught up in efficiency and whatnot.

  • @seanszarkowicz2910
    @seanszarkowicz2910 2 месяца назад +2

    Best news since you started the new version of marble machine!!! Cant wait to see the new design, this is way more interesting again!!

  • @TheSunsetHero256
    @TheSunsetHero256 2 месяца назад +2

    Exactly what I was hoping to see from Martin for YEARS now: Make it functional, then make it beautiful.
    His recent efforts have sussed out a solid design for marble playing music. But it looked boring. Making it something that can carry the spectacle of the previous two machines is a good next step.

  • @rismosch
    @rismosch 2 месяца назад +2

    I've been watching this video with a big grin on my face. This is it. I think you've rediscovered the magic that made me follow your journey in the first place. Godspeed! And best of luck!

  • @SandyWalsh
    @SandyWalsh 2 месяца назад +3

    Can't make a marble gate work ... "Let's build a 787 aircraft!"

  • @rravotti
    @rravotti 2 месяца назад +1

    I'm so glad to see this video. I was so worried the soul was bleeding out of the machine. I want nothing more than for the Marble Machine to be a spectacle of harnessed chaos.

  • @directrix777shinyshinyamyt4
    @directrix777shinyshinyamyt4 2 месяца назад +1

    I audibly said “YOOOOOOOO” when you put the flywheel governor at the top of that arch! That would look SO COOL! I’m super excited to see where things go from here!

  • @EZnevets
    @EZnevets 2 месяца назад +11

    "Needs more cowbell"
    I personally think it should e a 360 degree performance so the audience can surround the machine and the nutter who made it.

    • @matthewparker9276
      @matthewparker9276 2 месяца назад

      Agree. That lets everyone get a bit closer to the machine to see the details too.

  • @gizanked
    @gizanked 2 месяца назад +3

    Between last week and this week all I can think is that kinetic fingers are back on the menu.

    • @ps.2
      @ps.2 2 месяца назад

      Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • @pururmur
    @pururmur 2 месяца назад +8

    I think Martin is financially motivated to build his marble machine indefinitely. He's been building it for at least 6 years!

    • @mrbfox1775
      @mrbfox1775 2 месяца назад +3

      Because the goal is the RUclips revenue, not the “world tour” or completed machine.

    • @altwouss
      @altwouss 2 месяца назад +4

      He cancelled his Patreon when ending the MMX. If the funds were his goal he would not have done that. And he would have milked the MMX by producing all kind of songs.

    • @impablomations
      @impablomations 2 месяца назад

      It's become a grift at this point

    • @pururmur
      @pururmur 2 месяца назад

      @@altwouss I don't understand the combination of his meticulous approach to creating every detail and the failure of the original concept. This should have happened much earlier.

  • @zisumevoli96
    @zisumevoli96 2 месяца назад

    This is awesome!!! I cant wait to see what you have in mind for the bass!

  • @DEO777
    @DEO777 2 месяца назад +38

    By the time this project is done, the only spinning wheels at the concert will be Martin's wheelchair as he rolls on stage at 90 years old.

  • @oscarscholten2059
    @oscarscholten2059 2 месяца назад +1

    YES, YOU GOT IT!

  • @naninano8813
    @naninano8813 2 месяца назад +1

    the best way to go from fooling around in CAD to a MM concert is to have a giant screen on stage and animate moving cogwheels on it )

  • @kungfuhskull
    @kungfuhskull 2 месяца назад +1

    Watching the second video with this new vibe.
    Glad to see you having more fun and I'm looking forward for the journey ahead.
    Thank you

  • @Boxmaker247
    @Boxmaker247 2 месяца назад +1

    Finally he realised it,the new marble machine 3 is great it just needed to be more playful 😊

  • @LeeJtotheC
    @LeeJtotheC 2 месяца назад +1

    So glad Martin has fun and design back at the top of the menu, I feel a revived enthusiasm in him too

  • @Olichi60
    @Olichi60 2 месяца назад +1

    Your new ideas are a big improvement to the overall design

  • @kurtiswilkes538
    @kurtiswilkes538 2 месяца назад +12

    1 step forward, 2 steps back. CLAAAASSSSIC!

  • @adamyelland1981
    @adamyelland1981 2 месяца назад +1

    so glad you have got back to the routes, thats what we wanted from the start!!

  • @sestren2
    @sestren2 2 месяца назад +1

    The governor at the top has to happen somehow. That is such a cool concept.

  • @TenkoFoxx
    @TenkoFoxx 2 месяца назад +1

    So happy! It's much more important the machine looks cool and mesmerizing than have it playing with a standard deviation of 0.6 milliseconds. ❤

  • @riuphane
    @riuphane 2 месяца назад +6

    Funny you reference Animusic, because that's how I found you and why I started following!
    Just remember that it's a computer simulation, not an actual real life machine, so don't expect the same level of perfection or precision. While those are elements that make a CGI video fun and satisfying, we're more interested in seeing it work generally than making it perfect!

  • @Danny-sb4jd
    @Danny-sb4jd 2 месяца назад +3

    HES BEGINNING TO BELIEVE. I've been waiting for this episode. You've become so capable with your engineering process that its time to add back in SOUL. Once you've fully nailed the timing and dropping of the marbles, why not make their path back to escapement more entertaining for the audience.

  • @FireStormOOO_
    @FireStormOOO_ 2 месяца назад +1

    Not just a music machine, a steampunk af marvelous marble music contraption.

  • @jonasfermefors
    @jonasfermefors 2 месяца назад +1

    Yes! This is what will set the marble machine apart from the 19th century machines at the Speelklok museum. If you can't see what's happening it's just an advanced musicbox.

  • @renemulisak5401
    @renemulisak5401 2 месяца назад +1

    YES, the spteampunky Marble Machine project is back !!!

  • @QuestionMan
    @QuestionMan 2 месяца назад +1

    The dream is ALIVE!!! This wanton fever dream of imagination is what audiences crave.

  • @MrBeard-ys9vq
    @MrBeard-ys9vq 2 месяца назад +1

    I very much enjoyed this analysis and totally agree!

  • @Smokkedandslammed
    @Smokkedandslammed 2 месяца назад +1

    WORLD TOUR! WORLD TOUR! WORLD TOUR! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

  • @ApfelJohannisbeere
    @ApfelJohannisbeere 2 месяца назад +1

    I follow you now for a long time since the first marble machine and you are as well inspiring us in return!

  • @orpheasapostolopoulos9803
    @orpheasapostolopoulos9803 2 месяца назад +1

    Another aspect of cardan joints is that they introduce fluctuations in the output rotation speed

  • @Schmeeky455
    @Schmeeky455 2 месяца назад +1

    After Marble Machine X there was the epiphany that the next machine had to be thoroughly engineered, which has reaped great rewards.. But this latest epiphany that the machine needs to be fun will be I think the making of it. The engineering is necessary; the fun even more so. Can't wait to see what happens next.

  • @alathepriest9637
    @alathepriest9637 2 месяца назад +12

    I like the look either way. Cameras can always be placed in ways to show the inner workings at different angles in whatever design you end up with. What I worry about instead is if you get stuck in a “redesign loop” if another thought/idea comes along and changes things again. Just be careful as you change the form that you don’t lose too much function along the way :)

    • @Squant
      @Squant 2 месяца назад

      Yeah, that's what the crowd wants, cameras...

    • @SuperCuriousFox
      @SuperCuriousFox 2 месяца назад +1

      @@SquantFor a concert? Definitely. Most people will barely see the machine up close anyway when it’s being played during a show.

  • @complexunit
    @complexunit 2 месяца назад +1

    I think this video nicely shows with great enthusiasm what Martin missed for a long time: to dream and making your dream come true. It's really uplifting to see you kinda childlike when thinking about how the audience might react to the machine.

  • @dutubsucks
    @dutubsucks 2 месяца назад

    I love the dedication and joy in this project!

  • @Terror-Gene
    @Terror-Gene 2 месяца назад +2

    Put your hands up in the air! 🙌
    Perfect! Now don’t move!

  • @Seviinz
    @Seviinz 2 месяца назад

    I love how you can get it so invested every week.
    I love the direction the Marble machine is heading

  • @oliverjd26
    @oliverjd26 2 месяца назад +1

    You had me at Animusic. That is how I found the first marble machine video years ago when it first came out. Love this real life marble machine journey!❤😊👍

  • @wilkoufert8758
    @wilkoufert8758 2 месяца назад +1

    I return to this video at least once a week

  • @mcbeenb
    @mcbeenb 2 месяца назад +1

    it's soooooooo great to see you having fun! This is how its been for US all these years. Every week we get to tune in and watch real magic and bury ourselves in your fantasy. We love it!

  • @moonsliced
    @moonsliced 2 месяца назад

    i’m excited about this!
    it really feels like you are on the right track to succeeding in this project

  • @patrezze9370
    @patrezze9370 2 месяца назад +2

    Am I seeing separate marble tracks for literally every instrument?? That'll be fun!

  • @hieroben
    @hieroben 2 месяца назад +1

    The best thing is seeing you having fun again with this project! This should be your first design requirement.

  • @scowell
    @scowell 2 месяца назад +6

    First... work perfectly. Second... look cool. Don't forget your first requirement!

  • @SethCohn23
    @SethCohn23 2 месяца назад +3

    One Piece. Gonna call Martin "Martin D Luffy" now... His quest for the One Piece

  • @SquintyGears
    @SquintyGears 2 месяца назад +2

    I'm glad you've come around to this realisation. as en engineer I find that we're not good inventors most of the time. what we are equipped to do is bring an idea into reality. if it's too early in the process it can give a stern tone to the final result, but when you think of a lot of beautiful architectural achievements someone drew the idea of what it looked like and engineers made it possible in the real solid form. Engineers left alone would just make triangle, cubes or hexagons for everything...

    • @SuperCuriousFox
      @SuperCuriousFox 2 месяца назад

      There’s been cool ideas from day 1. What is really needed here, is the ability to bring that idea into reality. If Martin doesn’t like the way it looks, he should perhaps hire a professional product designer to translate his ideas into plans for engineers to translate into reality.

    • @SquintyGears
      @SquintyGears 2 месяца назад

      @@SuperCuriousFox you're completely off base.
      - Martin was limiting his ideas as he learned and tried to implement engineering 1st focus. We don't want a constricted project, we want the all in bet.
      - there's no way it makes any sense to hire anybody to do design work on his own project. It's not a product, it's allot more like his art piece. He's already crowd sourcing the solution search to the mechanical solutions.
      - engineers aren't people who take premade plans and build them. That's a construction crew's job, or a factory. Engineers are the ones who make the plans based on set goals. They problem solve the drawings and goals to find a way that it can be built.
      When you call them too early in the process they tend to tell you "you shouldn't do that, that part is too hard... Ect" because we're all lazy people and it's not worth the effort as a 3rd party.
      But the designer is the one who knows if that change matters to the goal or not.
      Martin really has got this. He has a clear idea of the end goal, he just has to go through and put in all the little details that matter. Afterwards the engineering viewers can fill in the gaps to make it come together.

  • @JosiGold1
    @JosiGold1 2 месяца назад +2

    Marin- Dont worry guys, this is not feature creep
    Also martin- I am going to build an animated percussion instrument that plays different things with the same marbles!
    All jokes aside, still looks cool and ill still watch the process.
    Also look into better joints that transmit rotation evenly, the ones you showed will probably mess with timing

  • @Awesomes007
    @Awesomes007 17 дней назад

    My heart and mind just exploded with the excitement and creativity from the early days of this insanity. I see a huge stage, and a huge array of marble machines. Marbles of all sizes! Lights connected to sensors that connect the sight of the audience to the music and motion. Lights emphasizing the movements. Giant marbles swooping gracefully around the audience, building anticipation and excitement of the notes about to happen.

  • @echosiarra419
    @echosiarra419 2 месяца назад

    I appreciate you are giving some consideration to the form and beauty of the machine again

  • @ENDESGA
    @ENDESGA 2 месяца назад +1

    Dude I'm so happy for you, I can tell there's a huge fire lit underneath you - pursuing this from a creative lens is the best way to go. I cannot wait to see how this goes

  • @SolarGranulation
    @SolarGranulation 2 месяца назад

    It is so inspiring, and such a relief, to see you going back to the artistic origin of the Marble Machine. It will be wondrous!

  • @Dysonsphere42
    @Dysonsphere42 2 месяца назад +1

    I was looking forward to the purely functional marble machine, but I'm truly excited for this new one!!