Why Jeyne Arryn has to support Rhaenys?

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  • @xoledas8909
    @xoledas8909 Месяц назад +831

    not forgetting that the greens have Vhagar, who landed on their court to submit the vale just like that during the conquest.

    • @Ronkyort0dox
      @Ronkyort0dox Месяц назад +8

      One more reason to support them

    • @matiasrodriguez7408
      @matiasrodriguez7408 Месяц назад +6

      That's not really a reason, it could have been any dragon and the Vale would end up surrender anyway
      How can you say that you want to "revenge" of a dragon if you are fighting for another one?

    • @The_Muncher2017
      @The_Muncher2017 Месяц назад +7

      @@matiasrodriguez7408because vhagar is the specific dragon that made them summit its not rocket science humans hold grudges for much less

    • @matiasrodriguez7408
      @matiasrodriguez7408 Месяц назад +4

      @@The_Muncher2017 So a victim will hold a grudge against the gun instead of the arm that wielded it? It's nonsense, it doesn't even deserve a debate

    • @The_Muncher2017
      @The_Muncher2017 Месяц назад +1

      @@matiasrodriguez7408 genuine question are you slow? There’s a difference between a living fire breathing dragon and an inanimate object like a gun🤦🏽‍♂️ you just arguing to argue at this point lol

  • @devinngeorge
    @devinngeorge Месяц назад +563

    Strategic not selfish

    • @Kooshiee
      @Kooshiee Месяц назад +76

      A man does something, it’s strategic. A woman does the same thing, it’s selfish. 😅😅

    • @sufiahempire7364
      @sufiahempire7364 Месяц назад +28

      ​@@Kooshieeright, I mean even Cregan is helping the black because Jahaerys promised his daughter to his son

    • @chisomo8088
      @chisomo8088 Месяц назад +2

      Why not both? In this war, there’s nothing wrong with that.

    • @rocktheconqueror6903
      @rocktheconqueror6903 Месяц назад +1

      @@sufiahempire7364 not in the show.

  • @blazeblade761
    @blazeblade761 Месяц назад +605

    And the starks too they didnt support her just becase they swore an oath jace promised a daughter of his blood to the heir of winterfell which possibly gives the starks a dragon rider of stark blood and a stark on the throne in the future and if rhaenyra won the north would get quite a few privileges

    • @liamena4520
      @liamena4520 Месяц назад +39

      Uniting the houses by marriage bonds them but you get the impression they did that more because Jace and Cregan just really fucked with each other. You’re right about the oath thing kind of, Ned’s level of honor and loyalty came from being warded to John Aryns father whose house took oaths very seriously and was considered the most honorable house - their motto is literally “as high as honor”. The north is loyal to the north and they didn’t really care about southern ambitions until Ned’s father so I doubt anyone cared about the possible privileges of marrying into royalty.

    • @blazeblade761
      @blazeblade761 Месяц назад +1

      @liamena4520 they didn't but enough food for winter trade privileges, or they could help them rebuild some of their castles too. Those things could benefit the north a lot

    • @mattzarza5170
      @mattzarza5170 Месяц назад +5

      ​@@liamena4520me when I spread misinformation

    • @liamena4520
      @liamena4520 Месяц назад +1

      @@mattzarza5170 🤢🤮 me when fools with nothing of value to say try to hop in on discussions.

    • @brandof123
      @brandof123 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@mattzarza5170bro rly think cregan stark is genuinely honourable when he technically sort of usurped his father as warden. Black cults do be delusional istg

  • @icoleman150
    @icoleman150 Месяц назад +177

    Absolutely. The Greens position about women in power kind of threatens her ability to hold power.

    • @flavius5722
      @flavius5722 Месяц назад

      So she stayed out of the war

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 Месяц назад +1

      ​@flavius5722 she didn't stay out of the war. She openly sheltered rhaena, offered shelter to rhaenyra and sent a hired navy to fight the velaryon navy which switched sides at the end of the dance.

    • @flavius5722
      @flavius5722 Месяц назад

      @@mappingshaman5280 She sheltering Rhaena didn't mean she took part in the war , her army remain in Vale for the entire war
      I don't remember what navy did she hored but I know for certain that it was no fight betwen the velaryons and the Vale forces
      So yes ,she stood out of the war ,only offering promises and excuses ,probably because she was afraid of dragons , but I dont blame her , I actualy think she was smart

  • @atiqahdiyana5665
    @atiqahdiyana5665 Месяц назад +141

    This is strategy. Not selfishness

    • @flavius5722
      @flavius5722 Месяц назад

      Staying out of the war was a briliant strategy indeed

    • @atiqahdiyana5665
      @atiqahdiyana5665 Месяц назад +3

      @@flavius5722 she chose a side. That is inadvertently joining the war regardless of whether she is an active participant

    • @dustaron6428
      @dustaron6428 Месяц назад

      ​@@atiqahdiyana5665 it's kinda selfish. If the greens won then her enemies in the Vale would try to remove her from her position because they know that the greens are against "women having power".
      But it's not really a bad thing since she did help the blacks.

  • @lajosalfoldi9395
    @lajosalfoldi9395 Месяц назад +150

    Plus she is lesbian, she has a partner - Jessamyn Redfort, which is not a problem for Rhaenyra, but the greens don’t like it, so that’s one more motive for her to support Rhaenyra.

    • @lgt.jne3
      @lgt.jne3 Месяц назад

      I need her to be a confirmed girl kisser

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 Месяц назад +1

      I doubt either side is letting lesbianism decide whether they have an entire region or not.

  • @Nancy_Amy
    @Nancy_Amy Месяц назад +29

    Her necklace looks a lot like the one that Sansa wore at Joff's wedding. Not sure if that is an Easter Egg!

  • @taylorhutson9398
    @taylorhutson9398 Месяц назад +39

    nah, she's just really smart

    • @flavius5722
      @flavius5722 Месяц назад +2

      She make only promises, but in reality she and the Vale didn't take part in the war
      😍 Yes she is truly smart

    • @Mustafa-o2f
      @Mustafa-o2f Месяц назад +1

      ​@@flavius5722and still green armys get destroyed

    • @stranger299a
      @stranger299a Месяц назад +1

      ​@@flavius5722No they arrive later

    • @flavius5722
      @flavius5722 Месяц назад

      @@Mustafa-o2f And Rhaynera still gets eaten by his brother 's dragon

    • @flavius5722
      @flavius5722 Месяц назад

      @@stranger299a Yes they intentionaly didn't show up until the war was over

  • @grozzik2232
    @grozzik2232 Месяц назад +43

    This lady of the Vale is such a gigachad😅😅

  • @Chasingdreams25
    @Chasingdreams25 Месяц назад +10

    That's smart, not selfish.

  • @agnellinaonairda680
    @agnellinaonairda680 Месяц назад +1

    I LUV D WAY HOW THIS ACTRESS LOOKED THERE'S A CERTAIN AIR OF AUTHORITY AND FIERCENESS IN D WAY SHE PORTRAYS D ROLE...I RECALL DAEMON'S 1ST WIFE WAS ALSO D LADY OF RUNESTONE SO WOMEN SUCCESSION IS ALREADY ALLOWED

  • @nickthegreat9434
    @nickthegreat9434 Месяц назад +28

    Sigma female Jeyne

  • @lgt.jne3
    @lgt.jne3 Месяц назад +16

    Love Jeyne ❤

  • @matthewhart9610
    @matthewhart9610 24 дня назад

    Its 2 totally different circumstances. All of Jeyne's brothers died, which rightfully made her heir to the Vale because a daughter comes ahead of her uncle in Andal succession laws.
    But Rhaenyra is trying to press a claim against her trueborn brother, who by all rights should be King, but Viserys deprived him of that rightful inheritence against all custom and law.
    Jeyne is the lawful lady of the Vale, whereas Rhaenyra has no such claim at all.

  • @VanLightning900
    @VanLightning900 9 часов назад

    That jawline!

  • @JJDK485
    @JJDK485 Месяц назад +1

    She's smart

  • @adelbechtoula
    @adelbechtoula Месяц назад +3

    Basically women power

  • @Random-ue8si
    @Random-ue8si Месяц назад +1

    Jeyne been mewing since birth

  • @patrickfabsich2692
    @patrickfabsich2692 Месяц назад +1

    She is also a female ruler i think that is the reason...
    And i think she will get a Dragon!
    Not she but i think Raena will claim the wild dragon and stay there...

  • @isaacmendez8575
    @isaacmendez8575 Месяц назад +1

    Lookin like starlight from the boys

  • @MagicSecretsandMysteries
    @MagicSecretsandMysteries Месяц назад +4

    The way male fans try to villianise women at every turn in this fandom speaks volumes. Like this is strategy, not selfishness.
    Daemon could threaten genoside and killing off children to end a bloodline, and they would say he's a baddass. But god forbid the women even try to test their strengths, and suddenly, they're the scum of the earth.

    • @officialyoungmari
      @officialyoungmari Месяц назад

      so her cousin rebelled against her (the rightful ruler and heir) once and she graciously let it slide and then he did it again and she threw him into jail and disowned him and his part of the family. doesnt rly sound like a ruler with an iron fist actually she sound very reasonable.

  • @GabyHernandez-rv3vo
    @GabyHernandez-rv3vo Месяц назад +1

    She's the Hierss 😮

  • @m.williams4971
    @m.williams4971 26 дней назад +2

    Nonsense. It was both because Rhaenyra was kin, and because she was a woman. Please stop stating absolutes in fiction unless you can validate it with a book reference!

  • @omarcrobinson
    @omarcrobinson Месяц назад +1

    And the simple fact that Raynera is the true heir whose throne was stolen by alicent who's a less than smart woman

    • @vitorhuch2289
      @vitorhuch2289 Месяц назад +1

      True heir for sure but for sure a not good ruler 💚

  • @lemonadelemon1960
    @lemonadelemon1960 Месяц назад +1

    She can still be lady of the vale. And not support Rhanera. Her house and honor commands they remember the oath they took.

    • @mermaidnurse17
      @mermaidnurse17 Месяц назад +11

      Jeyne Arryn specifically states in fire and blood she feels she the need to support rheanyra because her own rule has been challanged because is a woman so women should stick together and also because they are cousins. So in this case she did feel an obligation because of gender. Even in westeros younger son comes before eldest daughter but daughter comes befor male cousin or uncle so she could have pledged for aegon without impeding her house's honor.

    • @flavius5722
      @flavius5722 Месяц назад

      ​@@mermaidnurse17But she didnt really suport her in any way

    • @mermaidnurse17
      @mermaidnurse17 Месяц назад +5

      @@flavius5722 that is kind of my point. She didnt offer supoort because of her house honor or oath. She supported her out of obligation and because if she didnt it would question her own power. We can take her at her own word. She pledged go Rhaenrya and not Aegon because she had men try and overthrow her and because they are cousins. That is the literal reason Jeyne herself gives.

    • @stew-03
      @stew-03 Месяц назад

      @@mermaidnurse17 She pledges support to Rhaenyra, but never actually helps her at all.

    • @Blu3Br3
      @Blu3Br3 Месяц назад +1

      ​@stew-03 in this case that can be support of its own, to mind the business that pays you. As long as she throws her family name weight around ts good.. 😅😅she is a silent ally

  • @unathisilo4941
    @unathisilo4941 Месяц назад +1

    What a neck❤

  • @haribalk3063
    @haribalk3063 Месяц назад +2

    House of dresses

  • @candy5107
    @candy5107 Месяц назад

    How they feel after dubbing in Japanese, russian etc language 🗿🔥 they actually 🤡

  • @ABalloonInNeed
    @ABalloonInNeed Месяц назад +1

    Same reason Alicent can’t be queen Regent

  • @kenyattaharmon5056
    @kenyattaharmon5056 Месяц назад +2

    Cool

  • @Sakshi-gh1nc
    @Sakshi-gh1nc Месяц назад +1

    Nd i thought rehenerys mother was a tageryan sister of visareys

    • @marcellaearlham
      @marcellaearlham Месяц назад +3

      She was a cousin of Viserys. From a Targaryen mother and an Arryn father.

  • @mikhaelronaldonapitupulu3647
    @mikhaelronaldonapitupulu3647 Месяц назад

    stonecrows the clan that tyrion brought to tywin 😂😂

  • @tabishkhan7758
    @tabishkhan7758 Месяц назад +21

    thats some lord aryn wearing a dress thats not a lady aryn 😂

    • @ninipanini11
      @ninipanini11 Месяц назад +1

      Huh?

    • @nunyabiznes33
      @nunyabiznes33 Месяц назад

      She's a lesbian

    • @The-worsei
      @The-worsei Месяц назад

      Are you that jealous of her jawline? Can’t afford a jaw realignment shunt?

    • @The-worsei
      @The-worsei Месяц назад

      @@ninipanini11her jawline makes him feel like his balls fell clean off his body out of envy

    • @Ghost-jw5cg
      @Ghost-jw5cg Месяц назад

      Stupid

  • @haileelopez1938
    @haileelopez1938 Месяц назад

    Sooooo in game of thrones is Katherine Stark a descendant of targaryen?

    • @natsudragneel8466
      @natsudragneel8466 Месяц назад

      no amma merried in targaryan family

    • @Gabriel-Tár
      @Gabriel-Tár Месяц назад

      Lisa, the sister of Catelyn Stark, née Tully, married Jon Arryn. I don't understand where you're coming from.

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 Месяц назад +2

      No starks or tullys are descended from the targaryens

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 Месяц назад

      The only houses with known targaryen ancestry are house plumm, house hightower (rhaena not the greens), house martell, house baratheon, house velaryon and house longwaters.
      I suppose you could also say the tyrells since mace the ace is married to a hightower, and presumably the other houses also married into other houses but I don't know any examples.

    • @Gabriel-Tár
      @Gabriel-Tár Месяц назад

      @@mappingshaman5280 Rhaena and Garmund only had daughters, which means that they did not pass on the Hightower name to their children, therefore it's not House Hightower to be Valyrian, but rather whatever house their six daughters married into.

  • @flavius5722
    @flavius5722 Месяц назад

    But she didn't support Rhaynera in evry real way

  • @ariyanFahiM-bd2pl
    @ariyanFahiM-bd2pl Месяц назад

    Jane arryn has no ball😅

  • @creativeshorts-ai
    @creativeshorts-ai Месяц назад

    wrong

  • @JetonHoxha99
    @JetonHoxha99 Месяц назад

    Now i don't want to be rude or anything, but when i look at how they chose to portray the Velaryons in the show, and then i look at Jeyne Arryn, i can't help but think that THIS is what highborn folk should look like.

  • @davegibiko8533
    @davegibiko8533 Месяц назад

    Bannerman??? You mean simps 😂