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With regards to AI art, it depends on what the AI is trained on. I think the main objections you'll see online is if the AI is trained on other artists' works, and it opens you up to potential legal issues down the line. The alternative is to train your AI on your own art, which will probably be accepted better by the community, and will end up giving a more uniform looking output anyway. The Corridor Digital guys did something like this for their Anime Paper, Scissors, Rock 2 video, and it seems fairly promising. Judging by some of the stuff you've shown already, that method may work out quite nicely.
I don't want to rush them too much, but damn: seeing gameplay like this makes me want EA or a multi-player demo. Still, i would rather they not be rushed.
A multiplayer demo would be so cool! The coding for multiplayer takes a long time so it’s unlikely a multiplayer demo will be ready for the Kickstarter. That would be amazing. There should be a playable mission. The coding for the mission will take a long time and a lot of work. Imagine all that it takes for multiplayer! But, I can’t wait either. I understand your feelings! Thank you for your comment!
Will we be able to change the zoom level on which the strategic icon will be visibile? For my personal taste I prefer to have them only visible when I'm zoomed far out - they absolutely break immersion up close
I'm pretty sure you can get way over one million when you go for kickstarter. You have the good game, You'll have a demo to offer . PA did not have such stuff to offer and they raised a lot. There's no reason you can't succeed the same way. Because what you offer here, all the RTS comminity has been waiting for it since ages, and it's finally coming.
@@OlivierSimpleLife It’s coming! They want to give a demo with a playable mission for some Kickstarter tiers! It’s on its way! Thank you for watching and commenting!
I think it would be okay for AI Art to be used as a sort of placeholder for when the game first launches, but then once the game is up and running and more time and resources can be spent on things outside of gameplay, etc, you could then see if you could match or surpass the AI art with human made art
It’s unlikely they will be able to get cutscenes in after the game is out, because it’s a lot of work and will cost a lot of money. Maybe, they’ll do that. It’s a good idea. But, they wouldn’t have cutscenes without AI at the moment. Thank you for your opinion!
I am 100% in favor of bigger t5's if it is feasible from a pathfinding standpoint. As for A.I. art, I have no problem as long as it isn't obviously A.I., like when someone ends up with two knees or 6 fingers on one hand. If the art looks good in the end I don't see any issue with it being A.I. generated.
The huge T5 is a must! It would look so cool! I agree on your take on AI art. I believe they’re still negotiating devs wouldn’t allow the art to look obviously awful. I’m also sure the devs can have artists tweak it and make it look great! Thank you for commenting!
Some can be upgraded to next tiers, like all factories, radars/sonars, shields, alloy extractor, possibly Transmitters, tech centers(you first build t2 and then upgrade it to t3), Chosen t2 power generator to t3(exception feature - other can not), and likely some other stuff I forgit/don't know about. They don't get upgraded by themselves - you still have to spend resources on it if this is what you are asking.
@@StealSpeaks They are called T2 Tech Air/Land/Naval buildings, not T2 tech buildings - I don't think any of those buildings would need the tech structure to be upgraded, just as in supcom FA. You need those tech centers to build next tiers of units, and engineers that can build some of those upgradable T2 buildings in first place. Edit: Unless you were told so by devs, which I don't know.
39:52 But then.... how is it gonna be countered by SMDs? There is no physical object to be over the enemy, and I don't think physical munition used for Guard SMD could do anything to whatever destructive thing is sent on them
its very disheartening to hear bread left, is there going to be a new dev taking over the EDA faction or will bread occasionally come back to make more units?
It is sad to hear Bread left, but he had to move on to bigger opportunities that would advance his career. I believe they’re still negotiating on whether Bread will continue with the EDA faction.
Sorry guys but AI art sucks shit. Sins of a Solar Empire 2 uses it for portraits and icons and it just looks awful and in the latter case, hard to read. And that's not even going into the ethical and legal implications. I'd even prefer good looking, static, handrawn portraits over bad looking cutscenes, I mean look at how distracting that was in Homeworld 3! If nothing else I think you should wait until after the KS campaign before making a decision. Other than that the game looks sick! I especially love the Guard's design.
Other games used AI art already and they don't look good? That's something the developers need to look at before making a decision. Maybe they could hire artists to do what they want with the AI art. So we shall see what the devs do! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@StealSpeaks If devs are to hire a proper artist, they may may as well hire a normal one anyway - good ones can push out proper images in matters of few hours, which shouldn't be much if they go with mentioned idea of doing it pre-mission in form of comics page
There will be gameplay in the future! Once I get this mode, I will take you all on a tour of the units and get a nice close up for each of them! I don’t think there are too many clicks for each task. I think it’s reasonable! I am sure the devs are looking at other games and how they control!
Ok, after thinking for some hours on question about AI, I think I got soem opinion: Pragmatic side - I am yet to see AI being able to spit out consistent images/characters that make all sense between each other in different position/scenarios that make sense. If devs somehow figure it out/work around - sure. Moral side - just straight up fuck AI "art". It is a tool created by stealing work of all artists from the internet that is meant to take out all creativity from the internet for profit and trash it with slop that is already everywhere now. And even regardless of that, AI "art" is a tech bubble that will burst quite soon anyway - the only reason why it is even cheap and competitive in uses like this is it's incredibly low cost, which only exists because companies are burning through billions running such AI for a loss to try and gather consumer base, while they are trying to increase quality. But fun thing is that quality is gonna likely flatline very soon, since they are running out of fresh data to scrape from the internet, while also trashing it with own AI slop that get fed back into the system. Technology is just not here yet and won't be for quite a while. The best thing this may ever be used in relation to genuine art is filling out some unimportant background space and stuff, which I am all fine with.
@@volodymyr_budii Your concerns are completely understandable. I’m sure there are some AI art companies that do make consistent art if you feed the previous AI art you made into it. Also, the devs would probably tweak things using photoshop to make it work. Thank you for your opinion.
Tbh I don’t think you should be shy of setting up a kickstarter which would lead to early access later on, you don’t have to bear the cash flow burden all on you
@@StealSpeaks ill miss his eccentric passion for the game he is what gave me hope in it. I do feel he did enough though :) we need more people with his passion.
You’re right, he had passion and he is an eccentric, very likable guy! He did give us hope, but rest assured, the Devs that are still there are extremely passionate and give me hope that this game will come out and will be amazing!
The Guard tend to have lots of legs. The choice to have legs like that allow for faction visual diversity. They look robotic and not exactly like spiders, so that’s not a bad thing. People who don’t like spiders might be put off, but I think it’s a super cool design!
Seems like you didn't hear about EDA T4 Harvester, which is a huge industrial crusher X mobile factory, that crushes and immediately reclaims everything in its path. Or that T4 Chosen bot that was mentioned to get his lower half changed, will have tripple layer shield, that allows it to effectively cycle through them during combat. I am sure that devs will get to adding more of interesting stuff when they get to it - so far they are busy making sure the most important stuff works. Maybe you also have some nice ideas on what so more creative to add onto them?
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Awesome! I even still play Supreme Commander as of today.
Very excited for this new release.
@@wolfred10 Glad to hear it! I’m excited for it too! Thank you for watching and commenting!
So freakin excited for this
@@jaysol191 Same here! Thank you for watching and commenting!
Thank you for not taking the publisher deal. Im convinced publishers are the enemy of fun and freedom
That is true for most publishers. What if EA got them and added a million micro transactions. Lol!
@StealSpeaks more like cut the scope down, force it out too early, then lock away the IP so it can never be fully realized
Always exciting to see your progress, the "blue bits" looks great btw
I agree! Thank you for watching and commenting!
120 000 wish list, is looks good news for game
It is great news!
Good vid as always ❤️
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I feel like the guard need to have square or hexagon shaped shields instead of round
That could be cool! I think the round shields are going to be universal. A hexagon shield would be rad though!
@StealSpeaks i can see round sheukds being easy to implement.. but everyone does round shields and hexagons would match the style ans be really cool
With regards to AI art, it depends on what the AI is trained on. I think the main objections you'll see online is if the AI is trained on other artists' works, and it opens you up to potential legal issues down the line. The alternative is to train your AI on your own art, which will probably be accepted better by the community, and will end up giving a more uniform looking output anyway. The Corridor Digital guys did something like this for their Anime Paper, Scissors, Rock 2 video, and it seems fairly promising. Judging by some of the stuff you've shown already, that method may work out quite nicely.
@@SylvesterInk That’s a great idea! I hope the devs have thought about that! Thank you for the information and for your comment!
I don't want to rush them too much, but damn: seeing gameplay like this makes me want EA or a multi-player demo. Still, i would rather they not be rushed.
A multiplayer demo would be so cool! The coding for multiplayer takes a long time so it’s unlikely a multiplayer demo will be ready for the Kickstarter. That would be amazing. There should be a playable mission. The coding for the mission will take a long time and a lot of work. Imagine all that it takes for multiplayer! But, I can’t wait either. I understand your feelings! Thank you for your comment!
Multi-player is super important for chill with friends. You talk and so on. And it's never-ending. I would even forgive dota for this!
Will we be able to change the zoom level on which the strategic icon will be visibile?
For my personal taste I prefer to have them only visible when I'm zoomed far out - they absolutely break immersion up close
Will be added when devs get to it
I’m sure the devs will give you that option. Lots of people feel like you do.
Probably true!
I'm pretty sure you can get way over one million when you go for kickstarter. You have the good game, You'll have a demo to offer . PA did not have such stuff to offer and they raised a lot. There's no reason you can't succeed the same way. Because what you offer here, all the RTS comminity has been waiting for it since ages, and it's finally coming.
@@OlivierSimpleLife It’s coming! They want to give a demo with a playable mission for some Kickstarter tiers! It’s on its way! Thank you for watching and commenting!
I think it would be okay for AI Art to be used as a sort of placeholder for when the game first launches, but then once the game is up and running and more time and resources can be spent on things outside of gameplay, etc, you could then see if you could match or surpass the AI art with human made art
It’s unlikely they will be able to get cutscenes in after the game is out, because it’s a lot of work and will cost a lot of money. Maybe, they’ll do that. It’s a good idea. But, they wouldn’t have cutscenes without AI at the moment. Thank you for your opinion!
I am 100% in favor of bigger t5's if it is feasible from a pathfinding standpoint.
As for A.I. art, I have no problem as long as it isn't obviously A.I., like when someone ends up with two knees or 6 fingers on one hand. If the art looks good in the end I don't see any issue with it being A.I. generated.
The huge T5 is a must! It would look so cool!
I agree on your take on AI art. I believe they’re still negotiating devs wouldn’t allow the art to look obviously awful. I’m also sure the devs can have artists tweak it and make it look great! Thank you for commenting!
The arty style looks sooooo amazing!!! I wonder do buildings upgrade themselves over tiers or do they come new?
Some can be upgraded to next tiers, like all factories, radars/sonars, shields, alloy extractor, possibly Transmitters, tech centers(you first build t2 and then upgrade it to t3), Chosen t2 power generator to t3(exception feature - other can not), and likely some other stuff I forgit/don't know about.
They don't get upgraded by themselves - you still have to spend resources on it if this is what you are asking.
I believe you have get the tech upgrade building, then you can upgrade your factories!
I think this is correct. They need the tech building first in order to upgrade.
@@StealSpeaks They are called T2 Tech Air/Land/Naval buildings, not T2 tech buildings - I don't think any of those buildings would need the tech structure to be upgraded, just as in supcom FA. You need those tech centers to build next tiers of units, and engineers that can build some of those upgradable T2 buildings in first place.
Edit: Unless you were told so by devs, which I don't know.
@ I understand why you see things that way, because FAF does it. In this one, there will be tech buildings.
39:52 But then.... how is it gonna be countered by SMDs? There is no physical object to be over the enemy, and I don't think physical munition used for Guard SMD could do anything to whatever destructive thing is sent on them
Well, we’ll see what the devs come up with. This is still a concept and may or may not end up in the game! So, we’ll have to wait and see!
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its very disheartening to hear bread left, is there going to be a new dev taking over the EDA faction or will bread occasionally come back to make more units?
I feel the same. Very sad.
It is sad to hear Bread left, but he had to move on to bigger opportunities that would advance his career. I believe they’re still negotiating on whether Bread will continue with the EDA faction.
It is very sad. However, we must congratulate him on using his experience from Sanctuary to land a job that will help him advance his career!
Sorry guys but AI art sucks shit. Sins of a Solar Empire 2 uses it for portraits and icons and it just looks awful and in the latter case, hard to read. And that's not even going into the ethical and legal implications. I'd even prefer good looking, static, handrawn portraits over bad looking cutscenes, I mean look at how distracting that was in Homeworld 3!
If nothing else I think you should wait until after the KS campaign before making a decision. Other than that the game looks sick! I especially love the Guard's design.
Other games used AI art already and they don't look good? That's something the developers need to look at before making a decision. Maybe they could hire artists to do what they want with the AI art. So we shall see what the devs do! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@StealSpeaks If devs are to hire a proper artist, they may may as well hire a normal one anyway - good ones can push out proper images in matters of few hours, which shouldn't be much if they go with mentioned idea of doing it pre-mission in form of comics page
We’ll see what the devs decide to do!
Gameplay gameplay gameplay! 99.9% will close up only once! How many clicks to order a unit a specific task? BAR is quite nice in that regard.
There will be gameplay in the future! Once I get this mode, I will take you all on a tour of the units and get a nice close up for each of them!
I don’t think there are too many clicks for each task. I think it’s reasonable!
I am sure the devs are looking at other games and how they control!
Ok, after thinking for some hours on question about AI, I think I got soem opinion:
Pragmatic side - I am yet to see AI being able to spit out consistent images/characters that make all sense between each other in different position/scenarios that make sense. If devs somehow figure it out/work around - sure.
Moral side - just straight up fuck AI "art". It is a tool created by stealing work of all artists from the internet that is meant to take out all creativity from the internet for profit and trash it with slop that is already everywhere now. And even regardless of that, AI "art" is a tech bubble that will burst quite soon anyway - the only reason why it is even cheap and competitive in uses like this is it's incredibly low cost, which only exists because companies are burning through billions running such AI for a loss to try and gather consumer base, while they are trying to increase quality. But fun thing is that quality is gonna likely flatline very soon, since they are running out of fresh data to scrape from the internet, while also trashing it with own AI slop that get fed back into the system.
Technology is just not here yet and won't be for quite a while. The best thing this may ever be used in relation to genuine art is filling out some unimportant background space and stuff, which I am all fine with.
@@volodymyr_budii Your concerns are completely understandable. I’m sure there are some AI art companies that do make consistent art if you feed the previous AI art you made into it.
Also, the devs would probably tweak things using photoshop to make it work.
Thank you for your opinion.
Sub factions will be great creative idea for the game
Yeah? When you say sub factions, you mean factions within factions? That’s a lot of work! It could be cool!
Tbh I don’t think you should be shy of setting up a kickstarter which would lead to early access later on, you don’t have to bear the cash flow burden all on you
Relavant part at 22:22
wait bread is gone
Yes, Bread left for an a career boosting opportunity! He will definitely be missed!
@@StealSpeaks ill miss his eccentric passion for the game he is what gave me hope in it. I do feel he did enough though :) we need more people with his passion.
You’re right, he had passion and he is an eccentric, very likable guy! He did give us hope, but rest assured, the Devs that are still there are extremely passionate and give me hope that this game will come out and will be amazing!
No issues with AI art. Game is coming along great. I can't wait to play it.
Thank you for your opinion! The devs appreciate your kind works! Thank you for watching and commenting!
3:33: 8 legs don't look pretty, and you will scare away people who are afraid of spiders. Also, his legs look lame.
The Guard tend to have lots of legs. The choice to have legs like that allow for faction visual diversity. They look robotic and not exactly like spiders, so that’s not a bad thing. People who don’t like spiders might be put off, but I think it’s a super cool design!
@@StealSpeaks 8.
@@SolisMortis Yes, the bot in question has 8 legs.
Experimentals all walking/rolling gun platforms is just so damn boring. I hope you come up with something more creative.
Seems like you didn't hear about EDA T4 Harvester, which is a huge industrial crusher X mobile factory, that crushes and immediately reclaims everything in its path. Or that T4 Chosen bot that was mentioned to get his lower half changed, will have tripple layer shield, that allows it to effectively cycle through them during combat.
I am sure that devs will get to adding more of interesting stuff when they get to it - so far they are busy making sure the most important stuff works.
Maybe you also have some nice ideas on what so more creative to add onto them?
They have a super creative unit we call Captain Crunch. I’m sure that’s not its real name, but it eats the enemy units! It’s an EDA unit.
That’s Captain Crunch! Such a cool EDA unit! They have a lot of cool and unique units in this game! Thank you for commenting that!
Don't care about the use of AI. Ignore the whiners, embrace the future.
I would agree with that. It reduces costs and frees coders and artists for other tasks! Thank you for letting us know how you feel!
dont waste money on animations
Are you in favor of them saving money and using AI?
@@StealSpeaks ai is better, we will watch only 1 time animation and then esc every time, multiplayer gameplay is more important.
@ I see what you’re saying. You’re in favor of AI so the Devs can focus on gameplay above all else. Thank you for your answer!
Not a fan of the SupCom2 art style.
It doesn’t look like SupCom 2. It looks original and inspired by FAF to me. You are entitled to your opinion though. Thank you for the comment!