So I just got this mod about a day ago and everything seems to work at face value but for some reason my countermeasures and mirrors don't have any function
@@jeremyaudet3810 I made this request-- Thrust Vectoring Models, F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-30! Plus F-22 and F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-57 and SU-30, lol and or all combinations!👍
It's an external flight model but it's not high-fidelity, otherwise they would've used high-fidelity tools to generate the aerodynamic data. Still, they did a great job on the programming front to get the thrust vectoring to work.
@@grimreapers hb The Thrust Vectoring F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-30 ;) You could even do some kinda Tournament or 2 VS 2 with The F-22 and SU-57 now as well!🙏👍
That was a very enjoyable video! :) We're glad you are having fun. There is a HUD declutter functioning in the mod but it only works when you enter A-A (FC3 mode 2) first; and then modes such as vertical scan; bore sight; HMS. If you enter one of the 'dogfight' fc3 modes right away via keybind it bugs out. This is because the feature was implemented somewhat late in the update's development; it will be corrected in near future. o7 :)
Video and mod is seems to be great. And only one time in my life I saw a real,low altitude TVC dogfight demonstration. At the Zhukovsky airbase, the MAKS-2019 airshow. The two Su-30SMs was piloted by the father and son: Vyacheslav Averyanov vs Evgeny Averyanov. The copilots was Russian Navy pilots, I already forgot the names. It was really impressive show. They used the TVC system very very smart mode. I hope in the next years will be MAKS again, and if I have enough money, I will go again to see it!
One of my biggest complaints in DCS is how planes handle in really low speed situations. Some get choppy, some control surfaces freeze, some just act all weird. This mod seems to work well.
This mod is (as you know) thrust vectoring so it'd going to handle better than a normal aircraft that's got no airspeed to flow over the control surfaces
@@ashtonreid6039 Of course but that isn't what I was talking about. What you are saying is something I expect. What I am talking about is what I believe is a coding issue about how they handle physics at super low speeds. The Raptor mod is a great example. Trying to do the spinning leaf and it gets all jerky and doesnt look right at all.
you could have recovered in the last fight at the very end if you weren't in 3rd person. With thrust vectoring you could keep your nose pointed up and thrust out of there like a heli.
I think we are all being blessed by Papa Nurgle this holiday season. We have the mutant takes-three-weeks-to-recover cold and the stomach flu going around here right now. We had a family gathering for Christmas and absolutely everyone got sick.
The thrust vectoring seems to have a big flaw in it. As far as I'm aware, IRL each nozzle is only 2D, but the axis are canted to form a V shape, to allow rolling input to cause yaw. However this mod seems to have a yaw axis to the nozzles which is separate to the canted vertical axis. I'm not sure now realistic this is, as I can't find any info at all on the existence of this yaw axis. With the real life system, it cannot induce yaw and roll separately. It can only produce yaw and roll in the same direction at the same time
+GrimReapersAtomic *Thanks for the demo fight.* An Indian Air Force / Sukhoi-30 Serijnogo Modernizatovenn'yj Komercheskij's advantage is up to pilot training. Perhaps the Su-30SMK would be at its best in a one-circle fight. Time 08:09 "Knock it off, knock it off, knock it off! Knock it off, knock it off, knock it off! We've had a midair, we've had a midair!"
i laughed so much i started to cough and die laughing " there is so much symbology" things i never thought i hear during a dogfight 🤣 i love the videos cap i feel very valued as a viewer
Bede aviation built the BD-5J micro jet (the Coors Light Silver Bullet), and the BD-10J, a compact supersonic jet. I was hoping they would build the "BD-15J" a compact Super Manuveuring civilian airplane. One of my designs is the BAJA-15. My version of a Super Manuveuring civilian aircraft . It looks like a miniature X-31. 😂 I wonder if a lifting body with large LEXs combined with standard wings would increase the "off axis" flight performance with the thrust vectoring.
Good video. Needed tons of negative curves and about 7 dead zone. That settled it enough for AR for me. Winwing Orion/Winwing F-18 stick. Anyone else in the high neg. Curves? Or tried to refuel it yet? Haven’t tried the razzle dazzle vectored thrust stuff yet. English pit coming? Thanks.
Incorrect nozzle animation/simulation for this mod. Simply there is no true vertical axis pivot for the AN100 TVC nozzles, so they could not move horizontally. The idea behind the Chepkin-designed TVC was simple: keep the original 2D TVC of the AL-37FU and tilted the pivot axis by 36 degrees. So the pair of the nozzles are able to move in a V -shaped route to generate the elevon, aileron and rudder effect. The 36 degrees came from the rear fuselage structure from the elevation between the engine bay and the stabilizer pivot point.
How did you remove reflections from the instrument panel under the HUD? I want to do the same because those reflections that are there by default are annoying, like glowing
Simba. He always comes across as an ungracious winner and sore loser. He just HAS to win everytime. He can't let other people enjoy their victory. Nice to see he doesnt win them all.
one of the best Mod out there !! and i think its fair to say its almost a fedaletay moudle !! but i think it dose not work with the DCS open beta ? or am i wrong ??
Well, the only other proper attempt at TVC was done by Deka, as far as I can remember. Theirs was a phantasy Easter Egg in the JF-17 module nobody seemed too keen on taming however. Although I'm also guilty of that, but I at least gave dogfighting a few tries. It's a pity people mostly ignored both the direct link mode and the TVC Easter Egg in that module for good...
By the way, "Su" is not an acronym, but a reduced form of Sukhoi, thus being pronounced as "soo" rather than spelled S-U. Pretty much the same thing goes for German planes.
From the American TVC experiments I believe they came to the conclusion that energy is more important, so something really good in two circle should be able to outrun the Sukhois. F-16 looks like the perfect candidate for that - just remember to maintain your energy.
IMO, Simba is just a complete natural in this game. He is almost unbeatable. I'd love to see what he could do after a weeks dedicated practice with it.
Iv seen several of these now, so am I to take it that all the russian jets that IRL have TVC have been basically flying in DCS without their more obvious tactical advantages?! No wonder we see disproportionate losses to IRL inferior jets
Isn't the actual limitation the air intake? Like I can't imagine the engine keep working when going backwards. But maybe I am wrong, it just does not sound plausible to me.
@@madrooky1398 The problem with it is that if your engines are not built for low and especially NEGATIVE airspeeds, they'll out on you during the tail slide. At the very least, Mirage 2000 was also able to demonstrate tail slide, but I believe some American jets are capable of performing it too (like F/A-18, for example). It's safe to assume *any* thrust-vectoring enabled aircraft has zero and negative airspeeed capable engines as well - Harrier included.
I would imagine the Russians when designing these Sukhoi’s would’ve addressed this issue, especially when it comes to aircraft that are touted for their super maneuverability. Just looking at some of the MAKS airshows demonstrating the Su-35, Su-57 and Su-30SM, I’m sure those engines are built for low and negative airspeed.
@@rebelliousfew Not just the Russians. As I said, Mirage 2000 successfully demonstrated the Bell / tail slide back in the '90s, I believe, and at the very least F/A-18 should be capable of that too. Most likely all of the "teen" series apart from F-14 can do it (not to mention F-22 and F-35)
finally someone doing a realistic scenario. btw, if youre below 10% of fuel, you can hover like a helicopter with throttle idle. should look like this ruclips.net/video/Rt7Gk3LmBw0/видео.htmlsi=zRTRdJcb1duCko-t
Hey; it is a chain reaction of tradeoffs. We can't have weapon-related hud symbology if we get rid of FC3 Hud completely. So we need to keep it for the time being. Two-color HUD is out of question for most people in the dev team. Trust me it hurts my eyes aswell.
I’d say it’s useful, as clearly demonstrated in the video. As C. W Lemoine put it, TVC shouldn’t be used constantly throughout any dogfights, and should only be used to gain a higher AOA on your bandit. I agree, as TVC tends to drain your airspeed and reduce airflow over your control surfaces. As long as you know when and when not to use it, I’d say you have the edge in almost any dogfighting scenario.
Well, the guys made TVC wrong, unfortunately. For some reason people believe that Su-30/35/57 have 3d TVC while they only have 2D, though, slanted in relation to each other
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I'd like to see the su30 with thrust vectoring against the f22 and f35a
So I just got this mod about a day ago and everything seems to work at face value but for some reason my countermeasures and mirrors don't have any function
@@jeremyaudet3810 I made this request-- Thrust Vectoring Models, F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-30! Plus F-22 and F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-57 and SU-30, lol and or all combinations!👍
@@Anarchy_420 Would only make sense if those also had EFM
Hey would you be ok linking my website under the video? I am the voice actress for the navigation system haha I would love that
It's an external flight model but it's not high-fidelity, otherwise they would've used high-fidelity tools to generate the aerodynamic data. Still, they did a great job on the programming front to get the thrust vectoring to work.
Noted
@@grimreapers hb The Thrust Vectoring F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-30 ;)
You could even do some kinda Tournament or 2 VS 2 with The F-22 and SU-57 now as well!🙏👍
In the new 2.7.3 update they updated the outer flight model. They have vapor cones and wing shaking and rudder shaking is improved.
@@ruska9773are you sure you are in the right place?
That was a very enjoyable video! :) We're glad you are having fun.
There is a HUD declutter functioning in the mod but it only works when you enter A-A (FC3 mode 2) first; and then modes such as vertical scan; bore sight; HMS. If you enter one of the 'dogfight' fc3 modes right away via keybind it bugs out.
This is because the feature was implemented somewhat late in the update's development; it will be corrected in near future. o7 :)
Awesome thanks
watching the test flight reminded me of an RMAF airshow with their su-30 MKM. quite the spectacle that thing. a beautiful jet dancing in the air
Video and mod is seems to be great. And only one time in my life I saw a real,low altitude TVC dogfight demonstration. At the Zhukovsky airbase, the MAKS-2019 airshow. The two Su-30SMs was piloted by the father and son: Vyacheslav Averyanov vs Evgeny Averyanov. The copilots was Russian Navy pilots, I already forgot the names. It was really impressive show. They used the TVC system very very smart mode. I hope in the next years will be MAKS again, and if I have enough money, I will go again to see it!
Согласен!!! МАКС нужно посетить!!! Это очень впечатляюще!!!
Simba in the F-16 was marvelous flying there.
Also nice shoutout to Gonky & Mover there by Simba at the end. Good channels.
“Fox 4” 😂
One of my biggest complaints in DCS is how planes handle in really low speed situations. Some get choppy, some control surfaces freeze, some just act all weird. This mod seems to work well.
This mod is (as you know) thrust vectoring so it'd going to handle better than a normal aircraft that's got no airspeed to flow over the control surfaces
@@ashtonreid6039 Of course but that isn't what I was talking about. What you are saying is something I expect. What I am talking about is what I believe is a coding issue about how they handle physics at super low speeds. The Raptor mod is a great example. Trying to do the spinning leaf and it gets all jerky and doesnt look right at all.
@ironman6527 so of course you were talking about a modded plane as one of your biggest complaints in the game?
Flying this way seems similar to those 4 wheel steering carts at ikea. Cant go straight to save your life.
When you leave the thrust vector enabled, it bleeds energy badly.
The Su-30 is my favorite Flanker next to the Su-35
That was rather amusing! Happy New Year, GR and Viewingtons.
You too!
you could have recovered in the last fight at the very end if you weren't in 3rd person. With thrust vectoring you could keep your nose pointed up and thrust out of there like a heli.
seems very purpose made for "snap nose around and fire missile"
The new Su-30 is a pretty good aircraft.
This... But with a F-15 STOL EAGLE vs. the SU-30.
Thrust Vectoring Models-- F-22 and F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-57 and SU-30!🙏👍
Hilarious GR as always!!
I think we are all being blessed by Papa Nurgle this holiday season. We have the mutant takes-three-weeks-to-recover cold and the stomach flu going around here right now. We had a family gathering for Christmas and absolutely everyone got sick.
Fox 4 was hilarious.
Thanks for the video
Those blue burners are horrendously beautiful
I see a flanker, I click and I enjoy.
The thrust vectoring seems to have a big flaw in it. As far as I'm aware, IRL each nozzle is only 2D, but the axis are canted to form a V shape, to allow rolling input to cause yaw. However this mod seems to have a yaw axis to the nozzles which is separate to the canted vertical axis. I'm not sure now realistic this is, as I can't find any info at all on the existence of this yaw axis. With the real life system, it cannot induce yaw and roll separately. It can only produce yaw and roll in the same direction at the same time
"Hello Valley'ed Vuers" - when I know I'm in for a good time.
+GrimReapersAtomic *Thanks for the demo fight.* An Indian Air Force / Sukhoi-30 Serijnogo Modernizatovenn'yj Komercheskij's advantage is up to pilot training. Perhaps the Su-30SMK would be at its best in a one-circle fight.
Time 08:09 "Knock it off, knock it off, knock it off! Knock it off, knock it off, knock it off! We've had a midair, we've had a midair!"
i laughed so much i started to cough and die laughing " there is so much symbology" things i never thought i hear during a dogfight 🤣 i love the videos cap i feel very valued as a viewer
Happy Holidays!!!
Bede aviation built the BD-5J micro jet (the Coors Light Silver Bullet), and the BD-10J, a compact supersonic jet. I was hoping they would build the "BD-15J" a compact Super Manuveuring civilian airplane. One of my designs is the BAJA-15. My version of a Super Manuveuring civilian aircraft . It looks like a miniature X-31. 😂 I wonder if a lifting body with large LEXs combined with standard wings would increase the "off axis" flight performance with the thrust vectoring.
Thanks Guys!
“I want to understand the enemy”
People who only ever heared of American aircraft: “Top gun is super unrealistic!! 🤓”
Su-30: “hold my vodka”
*proceeds to become a freaking spaceship*
How about Su-30(With Thrust Vectoring) vs WW2 Jets dogfight?
Good video. Needed tons of negative curves and about 7 dead zone. That settled it enough for AR for me. Winwing Orion/Winwing F-18 stick. Anyone else in the high neg. Curves? Or tried to refuel it yet? Haven’t tried the razzle dazzle vectored thrust stuff yet. English pit coming? Thanks.
Incorrect nozzle animation/simulation for this mod. Simply there is no true vertical axis pivot for the AN100 TVC nozzles, so they could not move horizontally. The idea behind the Chepkin-designed TVC was simple: keep the original 2D TVC of the AL-37FU and tilted the pivot axis by 36 degrees. So the pair of the nozzles are able to move in a V -shaped route to generate the elevon, aileron and rudder effect. The 36 degrees came from the rear fuselage structure from the elevation between the engine bay and the stabilizer pivot point.
ruclips.net/video/hYi1e4pOQJw/видео.htmlsi=wnXp9PMRErMOozFq
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How did you remove reflections from the instrument panel under the HUD? I want to do the same because those reflections that are there by default are annoying, like glowing
I didn't realise I'd done it TBH.
Shits n giggles 😂
Simba. He always comes across as an ungracious winner and sore loser. He just HAS to win everytime. He can't let other people enjoy their victory. Nice to see he doesnt win them all.
one of the best Mod out there !!
and i think its fair to say its almost a fedaletay moudle !!
but i think it dose not work with the DCS open beta ? or am i wrong ??
I was using Open Beta.
I believe it will only work in OpenBeta
@@Alien9828 the BVR & WVR doesn't work.. Also the Radar
it does work, but you need to take non AG version. For ground work you take AG version
is the norway vs sweden video coming?
Well, the only other proper attempt at TVC was done by Deka, as far as I can remember. Theirs was a phantasy Easter Egg in the JF-17 module nobody seemed too keen on taming however. Although I'm also guilty of that, but I at least gave dogfighting a few tries. It's a pity people mostly ignored both the direct link mode and the TVC Easter Egg in that module for good...
By the way, "Su" is not an acronym, but a reduced form of Sukhoi, thus being pronounced as "soo" rather than spelled S-U. Pretty much the same thing goes for German planes.
From the American TVC experiments I believe they came to the conclusion that energy is more important, so something really good in two circle should be able to outrun the Sukhois. F-16 looks like the perfect candidate for that - just remember to maintain your energy.
IMO, Simba is just a complete natural in this game. He is almost unbeatable. I'd love to see what he could do after a weeks dedicated practice with it.
Shoulder lob with thrust vectoring
vs a raptor eventually eek
THRUST! THRUST! THRUST!
Iv seen several of these now, so am I to take it that all the russian jets that IRL have TVC have been basically flying in DCS without their more obvious tactical advantages?!
No wonder we see disproportionate losses to IRL inferior jets
yes BUT these are such artificial battles. If you started the jets a decent distance apart and added missiles, it would make no real difference.
Is that green data window some mod or is it implemented in dcs? Me want it.
Have you noticed that sim a is in every vid.
Did they get the multicrew working for it yet or no?
belkans....
Can anyone tell me why the missiles are not vissible? i can use them but they dont appear on the aircraft!
Fox 2 fight next please
Isn't the actual limitation the air intake? Like I can't imagine the engine keep working when going backwards. But maybe I am wrong, it just does not sound plausible to me.
Never heard of the Bell maneuver?
@@getsideways7257 Does not require trust vectoring or engines at all, does it?
@@madrooky1398 The problem with it is that if your engines are not built for low and especially NEGATIVE airspeeds, they'll out on you during the tail slide.
At the very least, Mirage 2000 was also able to demonstrate tail slide, but I believe some American jets are capable of performing it too (like F/A-18, for example).
It's safe to assume *any* thrust-vectoring enabled aircraft has zero and negative airspeeed capable engines as well - Harrier included.
I would imagine the Russians when designing these Sukhoi’s would’ve addressed this issue, especially when it comes to aircraft that are touted for their super maneuverability. Just looking at some of the MAKS airshows demonstrating the Su-35, Su-57 and Su-30SM, I’m sure those engines are built for low and negative airspeed.
@@rebelliousfew Not just the Russians. As I said, Mirage 2000 successfully demonstrated the Bell / tail slide back in the '90s, I believe, and at the very least F/A-18 should be capable of that too. Most likely all of the "teen" series apart from F-14 can do it (not to mention F-22 and F-35)
finally someone doing a realistic scenario. btw, if youre below 10% of fuel, you can hover like a helicopter with throttle idle. should look like this
ruclips.net/video/Rt7Gk3LmBw0/видео.htmlsi=zRTRdJcb1duCko-t
Looks like you found a deficiency in the FM - in reality it wouldn't be able to do that.
@@getsideways7257 That's the thing with mods we have to find't this kind of bugs so that creator of the mod can fix them.
Why do they make the aiming/targeting elements of the HUD the same colour as the information on the HUD?
Almost impossible for me to see.
Hey; it is a chain reaction of tradeoffs. We can't have weapon-related hud symbology if we get rid of FC3 Hud completely. So we need to keep it for the time being. Two-color HUD is out of question for most people in the dev team.
Trust me it hurts my eyes aswell.
@@jjay3494 Is it the same way IRL though?
@@AusExplorer no; a mint green color with a bit of halo effect should be more IRL-like
this mod is only compatible with Open Beta, right?
VS the F15c
Top👍👍
Now put it up against the F-22.
Only when there is an EFM F-22...
Fox 4?! 😆
Belkan witchcraft
Next against growling in his F-22
well the su 30 is very agyle it loks real
You need to update your DCS. Growling sidewinder has better quality. Better videos.
Too bad the mod still breaks ground units in my game. Lucky me...
are you using open beta
yep. JAS 39 Gripen mod has never worked for me but the update before this one broke Su-30 :(
Thrust vectoring is basically the same as viffing in the Harrier. Good party trick, but not a lot of use the majority of the time.
that means not useful
I’d say it’s useful, as clearly demonstrated in the video. As C. W Lemoine put it, TVC shouldn’t be used constantly throughout any dogfights, and should only be used to gain a higher AOA on your bandit. I agree, as TVC tends to drain your airspeed and reduce airflow over your control surfaces. As long as you know when and when not to use it, I’d say you have the edge in almost any dogfighting scenario.
U can't fly that jet yet rookie
Geez Fly you were doing so good not talking and f****** up the valued viewers entertainment but ya just had to scream in our ears didn't ya!!!????...
skill issue
Make sure you do a covid test... You do not sound great
Jeez, if anyone has a cough these days, everyone and their mother assumes Covid. Ig we haven’t gotten over that yet.
Cap, go get yourself some UV rays and you will kick that crap thats been haunting you. Trust me
Well, the guys made TVC wrong, unfortunately. For some reason people believe that Su-30/35/57 have 3d TVC while they only have 2D, though, slanted in relation to each other
they have 3D thrust vectoring, what the f are u saying?
Where did you hear that? The Su-30, 35 and 57 all have true 3D thrust vectoring.
Unfortunatly for some reason you have no idea what youre talking about
@@lars9966 show me any single video where Su-30/35/57 move their nozzles like here 1:38
Good luck finding those, huh
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t find the youtube video "Su-30MKM Startup (LIMA2015) 21.march"