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Being a gay man i was in a monogamous relationship for 12 years and parted ways with my partner because i wanted us to move and explore and grow together in another state and he was very comfortable staying as is and we parted ways leaving me single for 14 years. I met another wonderful man 14 years later and we just celebrated our 13th anniversary when we became partners and we married 2 years ago in August and are very happy in a healthy gay monogamous relationship as a gay married couple. Yes, gay monogamy is realistic!
More of us monogamous gays are out there! I live in Miami, we're seemingly nobody is, but I have hope I will find another Christian gay man to spend the rest of my life with
Ive been with my husband for 32 years. We met in 1991. Ive never tipped out on him and i believe hes the same- He's more an honest person than i - so i think i know him to be faithful. I have gay friends who are monogamous for 25+ years. We fought for marriage equality for a reason!!!!😊 MONOGAMY
Not all men gay or straight are horn dogs. I am an older man that came out at age 42 and I only have had 2 partners in 22 years. I am considered good- looking so it was not because I didn't get offers. Monogamy is definitely a possibility for some of us.
It's actually about 50% of gays that are monogamous. I'm the same way as well, I honestly don't like hearing poly people say that monogamy isn't realistic because it just isn't true. It's just more of their gaslighting. Kinda insidious really.
I still want that Disney fairytale love story. Between STDs, being more introverted, and needing that person who feels like family and a friend leads me to monogamy.
@@tygrallure6895 yes and no. one has to realize that opening it increases the potential to destabilize it. what if they meet someone they like more, and next thing you know you're out the door? I'm not against anyone, and ppl can be open if they want, no judgement. But personally, I protect me and mine, and don't roll the dice.
My partner and I have been in a monogamous relationship for the past 22 years and believe it or not our sex life is WAY better now than when we were younger. We have many couple friends also in monogamous relationships. It's definitely possible but certainly not for everyone.
I'm gay and monogamy comes naturally to ME. When I hear people like you speak about this topic, I get the feeling how much emphasis you have to put on sex in order not to offend anyone. As if sex is everything in today's society and you are attacking something untouchable for gay men while we don't talk enough about love, emotional intelligence in men or other equally important topics, for example. On the contrary, people are terrified to talk about love, feelings, the vulnerable, the real, but how dare you not give this hyperbolic importance and place to sex in front of the gay community? Here you walk on quicksand and you have to be careful. I really feel the effort of how all the arguments end up justifying sex as the epicenter of our lives. And you don't have to try so hard to magnify sex and normalize having it with all God to win some popularity contest or be politically correct knowing that your audience is mostly gay men. Of course, sex is important but there is much more, just as and more important. And sex is not what makes a relationship a relationship. Or are asexual people in romantic relationships not having as legitimate a relationship as anyone else just because they don't have sex? This would be a very simplistic and reductionist thought, which I feel sorry for. A relationship is much more. Personally, as a gay man I don't feel represented with this idea that just because I'm gay I have to have random hookups with everyone. That a hypersexualized life with multiple people is what drives and defines me for being a man and gay. That because I'm a man and gay, I cannot be faithful to my partner and I cannot want what straight people have without this implying a horde of gays taking offense and attributing to me a heteronormative life which I don't want because I'm not conventional at all, even though I'm monogamous. Because being monogamous or not has nothing to do with life paradigms but rather what comes naturally to who you are. And I value quality more, even with the effort that this entails and ''also'' the benefits these efforts bring to the relationship, than quantity. I don't judge open or poly relationships but questioning whether it is realistic or natural for two men to love each other romantically and sexually exclusively is like a question taken out of this gay dystopia that this paraphernal society is creating. It's like... and gay men like me? I have to be ashamed, or silence or censor myself for being politically correct just because I feel and think differently than this (often unhealthy and pathological) way of life where constantly having sex with new people, and the more the merrier, be a normativity that I'm supposed to take? No. And that doesn't make me less of a man or less gay. I want a monogamous relationship and have always wanted it. In my opinion, in this world there is room for all kinds of people and preferences. I just feel that people like me and a few are being made invisible or viewed with skepticism or condescension, and it's very difficult to find someone who wants the same. It sucks to be a minority of a minority. Very lonely, and it seems that today you have to say that you love to f*ck with everyone if you want to look cool. And no, I don't like f*cking everyone. Get over it. I don't need more than the person I love. But if people need more and want more, good for them. If there is no damage to third parties, go for it. If there are agreements and respect, do it. I support people's decisions, but please don't say that monogamy is not sustainable or not natural because it's total ignorance. I prefer to forge bonds and connections and something emotional with one person. And have all the sex in the world with them. But that's how I feel, because for me it's not easy to create these things with just anyone. That's why it never ceases to amaze me when someone says that they've found several partners at the same time. Another question is to wonder why people get into a relationship so many times in the first place, and go from there. Then I watch TV shows like Heartstopper and I see something sweet and innocent and pure which reminded me of my own feelings and expectations of life years ago, and then I remember my community and how fake that can be. Most of all I feel sorry for young gay guys who might think they'll find something like this easily, when statistically this is not a reality for most. I thought that way in my pre-adolescence and had hope in my teen years, but... reality prevailed. Cheating or open relationships. But the most ironic thing about it's to see the entire gay community agree on the ideal of this show xD while later you see how they perpetuate a very, very different reality, cause they want it and they don't know how to live in any other way, it doesn't matter if that destroys their mental health or not. They don't know how to stop it and there are times when it seems that the social imposition in the gay community makes us feel that there are no other alternatives. It's sad, but regardless of that, we natural (not forced) monogamous gays exist. We are few apparently, but we exist. And I don't need to justify anything in order for people to believe me or believe that I can't have a beautiful and healthy relationship with another person and feel happy and fulfilled with it and my life. Do what works for you but don't diminish what you don't feel or understand. The heteros already did that to us and it's not pleasant at all. Greetings.
Hey Aaron, you've clearly had these issues on your mind for a while. So have I. I agree with much of what you've said. It's definitely a major problem within our community, and I realise that my want for a 'soulmate' etc. actually puts me outside of large parts of the gay community - It can be really sad, I just have to have hope tho..
A lot of queer people are choosing to have polygamous relationships or even have friends with benifits. They're not doing this because it's natural for them, they're doing it because they're not disaplined. You agree? Also a lot of them have come out of Christian households being told that sex is bad and the kind of sex that they want is bad, so I guess when they break out of that, they want to go the complete opposite direction and be super promiscuous and it's sad because that kind of life is so empty.
My Spouse and I have been in a Monogamy relationship for twenty eight years, don’t get me wrong, there is always temptation , especially when sometimes you disagree with each other on certain issues. I am ten years older than him, and I feel very fortunate that we have each other. We got married when marriage was passed. I am, and do love him completely , in time the love turns into something more special, you don’t notice things about the other one That might of bothered you when you both got together. It’s an amazing love that takes hard work and am very fortunate that I met him. I can honestly say, I would die for him, and by the way, he act’s like the older man. I always remembered a saying, don’t look for love, love will find you when you least expect it. I believe that gay couples could live a life time together if you both work together.
I think at this point we need to admit that a lot of gay men are sex addicts. I don’t care whether they pursue stable relationships or funs. Still one thing is very clear that if you have sex with multiple different people every week or month, it is not normal or healthy. That’s a symptom of sex addictions. It needs to be fixed period.
This really depends on you and your partner. I have had different types of relationships, what I learned is honesty is the key to making any of them work. Without honesty even the best intentions will fail
I’m all for it when the right one comes along I’m freshly single again and I’m just focusing on myself. I find that our community is to focused on sex everywhere you turn everything is sexualized in our community the people that are in monogamous relationships don’t get the attention they should to show something other than sex and lust
I just think that we're all individuals, and the world isn't one size fits all. What works for one, may not work for another. We should do what makes us happy, and we shouldn't try to fit into spaces we don't belong. I think the issues is, we look at humans as a general whole, and the reality is, as we have different personalities, traits, upbringing, our nature vs nurture, there isn't a definitive answer, the answer is different for each individual. I want to be married, and that's what works for me.
if you're not monogamous, rules for the open relationship are made. What you can do with another person, the restrictions are there and more often than not broken. Also, so much disease out there, I'd be fearful of that. Monogamy is is a goal that few achieve. Quincy, you rock.
Respecting someone is. Not wanting to hurt them is. Valuing their presence is. The challenge is finding the person that YOU love. It is not enough to be loved - that is easy - all you do is bask in the attention. Are you settling? And, more disturbing, are you being settled for? People have hearts, no matter what the porn and the erotica and the social media platforms will tell you. And, time passes by more quickly than you think. The day after tomorrow, you will suddenly find yourself in your 50's and realizing that the one that slipped through your fingers is the one that you actually wish was there to hold, to hold you, and to share your kisses. Trust me.
i think with younger guys , i think its a time to explore your sexuality and kinda just do it and get it over with . There will be a time when you kinda get over all that and you want a relationship with people .
And there are people like me who only wanted to be in a relationship right out of high school and now still in a LTR and want to explore, but together. 😌
So glad you’re on this topic Quincy.Just finished watching the whole video: First I want to say I’m a monogamous person and a hopeless romantic. Second: People shouldn’t tell other gays how to live their lives and how they do relationships BUT what I noticed most of time it’s because say if Me ( A monogamous guy) was trying to get to know or date another guy a lot of times the guy doesn’t make it clear if they are monogamous so some guys tend to waste other people times by not being clear or honest if they are monogamous, open or just sleeping around. That to me is the problem and most of time people always end up getting hurt because of not clear communication. Third: Look at today’s media, social media, tv, magazines, porn etc. Our generation is very hyper sexualized and the gay community is even more of that. It’s okay if you want to explore sleep around etc. Though since everything is so visual it puts expectations on every guy for example you have to be skinny, fit, light skin, six pack etc. Then there’s the idea of not settling which is a whole topic in itself. So with that it makes monogamy especially for gays hard to come by. Final: Not everyone wants to sleep around or be open but due to the gay community being less monogamous it forces us monogamous people into open relationships because that’s the closest some of us will get to monogamy (I’ve never been in an open relationship btw speaking in general) .
I do have a gay relative who has been with his bf for 14y monogamous. He inspired me a lot. On the opposite side Heterosexuals showed me cheating from Monday to Monday. Looool I do believe, after few years with someone, people can try to open their couple or try other "dishes", but gay culture becomes more like: i am with you, but I also want half the neighborhood, within 1y dating... We don't know favorite colors, families, friends, favorite dish, what we dislike...... but they know the size of every guy around.
Monogamy In a gay relationship can exist.. that’s actually what I’m looking for, had it at one point but all in all just cause you gay it doesn’t defeat the fact you wanna be with one person.
One of the keys, is communication between the two individuals regarding a monogamous or open relationship. Part of the problem is when one person decides to make an adjustment(change)and not tell the other! Issues will arise but we must be able to discuss them and reshape the agreement. If this is not applicable? Then we must come to another joint decision. Everyone’s relationship is different. It’s finding what works for you that can be challenging. As a hopeless romantic, I believe in monogamy which has to be mutually agreed upon. Thanks for another great video!👍🏾
It honestly depends on the two parties if they’d like a 3rd or 4th partner in the relationship or not. Personally I’d love to be in a monogamous relationship once I’m in love with someone my heart is only for that person so, a polygamous relationship simply wouldn’t work for me personally.
That's why I'm single. I have yet to find the one I'd like to be monogamous with. If I ever find them I would be done with sleeping around. But I think a successful monogamous relationship has to more than about sex. The two of you would have to genuinely like each other in other ways and focus on other things instead of sex. IMO.
So with all the persons u have been sexing, there is no1 u genuinely like or finding more interesting than just to sleep with? one of the problems in the gay community is that "dishonesty is currency". Too many fakes, too many liars, too many ppl who dont love themselves and so find it difficult to love others.
@@poohbita_88 I don't have sex with a whole lot of people. The one thing I don't do is fuck first and get to know you afterwards, unless I'm out of town and on vacation. Even then it may not happen. There was one that I genuinely like but he passed away years ago. When I was with him I didn't have sex with anyone else. You kinda answer your own question with the end of your post. "Too many fakes, too many liars, too many ppl who don't love themselves and so find it difficult to love others." At my age I have no time to deal with people like that.
Trust is so hard to build, and for this to be the shattering piece of any relationship can be terrifying. This is a topic I really struggle with a lot. Not because I don't care for monogamy at all, or that I want a completely open relationship at all points in time. It's a topic I struggle with because no one knows the future, and the piece you mentioned about confronting the feelings can be hard. Knowing you want to confront the feelings when you know (hopefully) your partner so well makes you "that person." One way or another. You could end up being the person dealing with wanting or NOT wanting to be open or otherwise in terms of lifestyle. Though, at the end of the day you should just be getting to know your entire sense of self
I am so happy you brought this topic up. I always believed in monogamy. Any relationship I had men would be very disrespectful at the start of our relationship. Flirting with other guys, sex or texting with other guys then it would put me off and some part of me would eventually emotionally shut down and I would then do the same and as the relationship progressed when whoever I was with would be more emotionally invested in me than I was in them because of how it went down in the beginning. I know this is something I need to work on but as I have gotten older I tend to not want any type of relationship and stay single. I am not sure if I could be in An open relationship. It’s not something I aspire to be in but I don’t knock it if other guys are open. I just think honesty is key. I do know other men that are in monogamous relations but they tend to more feminine, older and less attractive. Hot guys tend to be sluts. I think two men being together is generally quite hard.
Myself and partner have been together for 8 years coming on 9 and I met him when I was 25 I’m now 33 and we are expecting a baby girl imminently ! We have had ups and downs as with every relationship and grown and learnt along the way. We love each other and wanted to build a family unit together and that means full bodied commitment. Gay men can be monogamous, unfortunately the gay stereotype of being promiscuous is so deeply rooted it seems most men are accepting of that, when in actual fact we can be fully committed, we can marry we can have kids, we can buy a home together. Heteronormativity is becoming saturated and all of the above is available to us all irrespective of our sexual orientation, monogamy is not solely for heterosexuals it is an open term used to describe the dyadic relationship between two individuals. Sadly sex seems to be all we know of being gay men when there is so much more to our evolution than that… a lot of us come with baggage which needs unpacking and the people who manage to start unloading find it easier to avoid continually scratching an itch.. sadly the way sex is so easily obtainable through dating apps doesn’t help it’s a rabbit hole. Monogamy is not for everyone but I’m tired of people thinking that gay men are simply promiscuous …
I've been watching you on RUclips for a while & you're an old soul with much wisdom. I'm gay like you, so I can relate to you being gay. Quincy, you are helping many others with your knowledge & I want to commend you for your honesty.
You know its weird how time can change people. Younger me would be like "Monogamy" only but now I’m at a place where I still like and seek out monogamy but I can understand why people would go for non-monogamy. I can say that its something that I could possibly consider if I loved someone and they brought up the idea. At the end of the day though neither is superior and people should be free to discover what type of relationship works best for them without being shamed for it. I really enjoy the perspective you bring to these topics you discuss in your videos, great work!
Excellent view! I feel the same way! 21 year old me and 36 year old me on monogamous relationships are different. However, my relationship, we want a boy toy together. It’s hot doing it together as a couple. 🥵
Quincy, I think you throw out some brilliant topics of conversation that are essential for gay people and for the rest of the LGBTQI+ community to open up and discuss really important matters. I find you truly switched on and genuinely authentic. Wishing you GREAT SUCCESS on your RUclips Channel journey. I think you will go on to a big justified following. You are helping many people navigate their way through life. Well done. Love your clips a great deal. Seb, Sydney Australia
My main thoughts right now is to be honest. Honest with your partner but more so with yourself. And also respectful. I could go on for hours but long story short I believe loving and caring is built on honesty, trust and respect. Even if it may hurt. I'd rather have someone say they don't like me and mean it than say they love me and not mean it. But yes I believe gay monogamy is possible maybe even more than straight relationships.
Monogamy is not possible in haft relationships. If anyone says otherwise they are kidding themselves. I have been in a relationship for 24 years and after the first year discovered in was only me being monogamous. His only focus was finding the next meet. I have tried everything . Having an open relationship, having meets together with other guys ect and he was still meeting up with other people . About 5 years ago I chucked his stuff out of my room and said I wasn’t sharing my bed or anything else with him anymore. We are now like 2 friends who barely get on. I wish he had been honest at the beginning as at least I could of had a chance of finding the relationship I wanted. I still love him but couldn’t ever have him near me again
hell ya, good for you for throwing his stuff out. there's billions of people in the world, you'll find someone who loves you, you sound like a nice person. they're out there. Yet at the same time, don't need another person to fulfill you.
I am so tired of hearing this question about monogamy and fidelity. If it is not natural to you then the answer is no. It is natural to me and I have always insisted on it, if that means being alone the rest of my life then great, I am fine with that. If you are fucking tons of guys or hooking up with others while in a "relationship" then you are not really in a relationship. You are calling one guy your husband, boyfriend, partner, while you shop for someone better. To me the fact that I have committed to one man means even if it is not always easy you stick to that man and do not go out shopping around on him, and if he does on you then there is no relationship. You are basically roommates with benefits till you find something better. If monogamy is a sacrifice you find too hard then you are not relationship material, and it really is all about trust. I think you cannot claim to love someone you do not trust. And sorry but being roommates without this boundary just is not for a lot of us, it is not enough to base a relationship upon.
I think anything is possible so long as you and your partner(s) all agree on it. I’m not gonna pretend like I haven’t judged relationships that aren’t monogamous, but I have to check myself and remember that just because it doesn’t work for me, doesn’t mean it won’t work for someone else. The way my jealousy is set up, I need monogamy because it’d hurt to see someone I love being intimate with someone else. Personally, I look at it like this: having our cake and eating it too is utopic, but in life, sacrifices must be made. Post-nut clarity is a great thing, and that nut ain’t worth sacrificing a great relationship at home TO ME.
This was a great conversation to have. I have some thoughts: I often disagree that we in the LGBTQIA+ community think about sex more than the straight community. If we look at history, sex is a common thought through the larger society of people but I believe gay sex has been attacked and demonized by the straight community so that their sex seems normal and non existent. When you then compare the two, people will see us and say it’s hard for us to have a relationship because we are Sex focused… but that is sloppy argument building. We are no more focused on sex than anyone else. Because of this I also believe that what will make monogamy even harder than it has historically been is the advent of technology. People couldn’t be monogamous simply leaving their homes when they were living in a village, much less monogamous by seeing a nude sent to them on the internet. The issue is that monogamy was the only option given so people had no choice but to either sneak or get caught cheating but historically many people were polyamorous. Again with technology we have a braver generation who is saying we are not being forced on how to love and who to love. Do I think it is realistic to strive for monogamy. Of course. Do I think it is difficult yes. Why to both my answers? Because you have to find the right person who also wants monogamy (not everyone has a more people desire) and it’s difficult if you are trying to make someone fit your desire that is not naturally something they want. We can’t do this for someone we like, we have to do it for ourselves.
@@quincyjay Aw boo well thank you. I guess it is no surprise that I love hearing your perspective/thoughts as well. hahaha, i am still here and arent going anywhere.
Are you aware male/male married relationships are the most monogamous? Their divorce rates are lower than straight couples and much lower then lesbian couples. It's women who initiate divorce - jeez no-one knew this lol! 🧡
I fully believe that gay monogamy is realistic! Do I think it's easy or even natural? For the most part no. Personally monogamy feels very natural to me. Some gays feel the exact same and some disagree. It varies for everyone and that is fine. Relationships are hard and change over the years. What you and your partner found hot and fun in 2010 may not be hot and fun in 2030. As the relationship evolves you and your partner have to communicate all the more and allow room for growth in whatever direction and however uncomfortable. Where ever you fall on this debate it boils down to respect for your partner enough to be honest and trusting them enough to be vulnerable.
Excellent videos Quincy! Love them! Regarding Gay monogamous relationships, prior to 1980 (the start of the AIDS horror), 95% of Gay couples either had an "open" relationship or one or the other cheated on each other. The word "boyfriend" did not exist in Gay lexicon. The word used back then was "lover". The "sliver lining" in the AIDS horror is that it made much of the Gay community more monogamous, something that I always preferred. Prior to 1980, when I was in my 20s, if I would say to a guy that I really liked him and wanted to see him again, many times they would say that I needed to leave soon, because their lover was coming home soon. Lover??!!! What the hell were they doing with me??? I used to get so pissed and upset over that, but it was what it was. Couples (boyfriends + Gay husbands / wives) are much more prevalent now-a days than back then.
Flings and casual hook ups are fun and exciting, however, as life progresses with its myriad of challenges, eventually it's nice to have someone there for you. To hold you when your aunt dies, to hold you when a surgery is pending, to see you in your worst moments and love you. In my experience, many gay men have full lists of guys to hook up with but when shit hits the fan, none of those hook ups are there.
In addition to my previous comment, I think age and maturity also play a big part in being monogamous. I honestly really enjoy your you tube channel and wish you love, health and happiness in your new home.
Yes monogamy is possible if you truly love that person even in gay relationships. Seen gay guys being with one partner for a long time and they’re happy.
ok so this is a great discussion topic, however, I somehow got lost when you were on the screen. You are way to attractive to have these kinds of discussions on youtube. The first video that popped up on my feed today, youtube did something right.
I've known many gay men and when they are in relationships, they still are with others. Not saying its not possible, but it has always seemed to me to be like the relationship is the "main" partner, but they have others. Ive never met a monogamous gay male couple. Lesbians however seem to always be monogamous. Maybe it's the whole "men were made to sow their seed" idea. Exceptions to all rules, but thats just been my experience.
Great video Quincy! Thanks for opening up this discussion! as a monogamous I also have similar frustation when it comes to this topic. I want to contribute some of my takes on this, hopefully these can help: I think, sex is a part of relationship, but not the only part of relationship. intimacy can be mistaken as sex, but intimacy is not only sex. The possibility of both parties to think beyond sex and towards other form of intimacy will depend on their willingness to grow the relationship. But its hard, scary and messy. I can see its easier to find reason to change partner (as the novelty wither), therefore it might be the reason why gay dating is so sexualised. but the real underlying problem is not addressed. When it comes to examples to endure growth, Heterosexual couples have more exposures of experiences for their struggles in post-honeymoon phase in a relationship (e.g having kids and shift of priorities in the relationship). I can also see there's not much of 'realistic stories' (films/novels and such) on long-term struggles of gay relationship for us to learn from (especially compared to heterosexual couples). So, most of us do trial-and-error method and its frustating, exhausting, and eventually might erode feelings of hope. if we add this reality to how discussing about feelings deemed 'unmanly', we got more desperation with lust as the background. To base sexual attraction as a main oundation in relationship, i think, might lead to a series of failed ones, this is might be why 'opening up' monogamous relationship might be an alternative panacea for some. but then, it may give additional risks - esp. emotional risk (trust, lies, covering up, etc.). so, more complication :S Now, I'm not trying to be a prude here, I know sex is fun (yas), but it can also be quite intoxicating. Therefore, it can also be addictive, especially being coupled with the intention to medicate the feelings of loneliness/validation/desirability. (Velvet Rage by Alan Downs talked about this) So is it realistic? Well, its seems not impossible but yes its really hard. please dont lose hope! I guess, the solution i can think of is to be more mindful when it comes to sex and relationship. not necessarily becoming a monk tho, lol
I had a monogamous relationship for 8 years before we "opened up the relationship". It ended up bringung the relationship. My current partner of 8 years now wants an open relationship and I dont want to. I think its going to break us up 😢
I’m sorry to hear that man. Please prioritise yourself. You have the ability to sustain a long term relationship, you can use that as leverage for your next long term relationship
I'm in a similar situation, and it's heartbreaking. Especially when both of us genuinely love each other and is happy. Being bisexual he misses the opposite gender. He can't hold himself back anymore and I don't want to be the one standing in his way. I honestly don't know what to do. If I should just go with it, and try out an open relationship. Or break up.
Ow, thanks for your video, I’m From Dominican Republic, and And everything you said in this video I agree. I hope can see your videos in this page and enjoy it! You are really nice guys.
I have yet to meet a real world example of a gay open relationships that lasted more than a year. Internet stories don't mean anything to me as anyone can make a claim. I go by what I see in the real world
I’m a 1 man woman! (It’s a song) I knew earlier on that I want to be married and have a family but I definitely get scared bcuz I feel like most ppl is into polygamy and it’ll effect me 🥴
As people evolve and become more educated, they will opt out of traditional relationship norms. However, we always have a choice to be in any relationship we desire without judgment. There are all types of relationships. The goal is to choose the one you can be your authentic self in.
I really hope you find that monogamous relationship you are actually looking forward to. You would deserve it. In my experience monogamy is also a choice and a decision its as simple as that. There will be days when you will find someone else also attractive but you decide not to have sex with them because something or someone else is more important. Its not that complex or complicated but guys tend to make a big deal out of it. Also, it just simply became social pressure , gay social pressure to hook up all the time. Honestly I feel under represented in the gay community with my monogamous wishes. I dont judge anyone and also been through the hook up phase but still even while going through it I just knew that monogamy is something more close to me... however when I try to talk about it, specially about love I get a lot of weird looks. As a last point, the hook up culture also doesnt allow for someone to experience love in a way where you can experience sex with your partner in multiple ways. I meet guys who literally have never experienced someone loving them and having sex that way and I dont necessary mean that it has to be tender and with candle light... I just mean the variety of it let it be hard or soft sex...so to see that they only know how to have sex with a complete stranger (or in that way only ) is rather sad. Nothing which cant be changed with experience but again, I was also surprised to see that its a thing.
To me its not about sex, when it comes to monogamy . It’s about respect , commitment , and love . It’s simple if you truly love the person you will be monogamous. Yes there will be occasions where temptation creeps up ( it’s called life ) , that’s where love and respect for your partner comes into play . And discipline . Second , I respect my body and my health , statistically if you choose not to be monogamous in a relationship your chances of getting any STDs are greater , or getting Infected with HIV , no matter how careful or having safe sex . Hot sex leads from one thing to another . And the worst thing would be transmitting any disease to you partner . So in conclusion , to me an open relationship is redundant it’s a convenience based on other psychological needs . So I personally have high expectations when and if I go into a relationship. If you set the bar low , that’s what you’ll attract. Common values , good companionship communication and yes good sex are very important however the latter ( sex) doesn’t last when you enter the fall and winter of your life . Love does.
#MONOGAMY :) I agree different strokes for different folks, I've always had monogamous relationships. I prefer it for myself. I tried the open relationship in recent years because I thought maybe this was the remedy(I'm gay and it's what my relationship must be to sustain itself) for my challenged, struggled, not lasting relationships and it was not. It made it more challenging in my personal experience. At 44, I no longer see a lot of worth in investing in a relationship especially with the challenges of the day. I do however CRAVE just some ROMANCE even if sex is the focus, but ROMANCE is surely dead and that makes my soul cry:(
I think many gay man put too much emphasis on sexual compatibility and not enough on compatibility as a whole. I’m also one of those weirdos that needs to have an emotional connection to the person, not just sexual. Granted, the sexual part will be fun in the beginning, but once I realize it’s no more than that, I lose interest quick. I desire to have someone who genuinely cares about me, understands me, and will be my ride or die as I would be for them. As a man in my late 40s, that’s more important now than ever.
It helps to see that most things in the universe are on a continuum, and that includes gay relationships. It ranges from non monogamy to monogamy. We are all different, and our relationships vary.
Obvious answer is yes, but I just wish people would be clearer about their intentions. The whole I'm bored so let's invite others into the bedroom has always turned me off, but it's so common with gay couples. Hopefully it gets better after my 20's idk.
I will say, I’m starting to become fatigued with the Monogamy/Non-monogamy conversation. Oftentimes, it becomes a versus match and people pulling all types of theories or stats to support their side either way. So THANK YOU for having a more nuanced conversation that didn’t solely resort to pitting one against the other. I just want the entire conversation to evolve to being okay with the fact that there will always be variation in human/animal behavior. People have options in choosing what relationships style is best for them. I do have a question though. Has anyone experienced an air of “intelligentsia” with conversations around non-monogamy? I’m all for it as a viable option BUT lately it feels like some proponents of non-monogamy view themselves almost as “The Talented Tenth” to use Du Bois’ concept. Or only a certain intellect or class of people will be successful in it? Maybe it is just my experience. And to be fair, monogamists participate in similar problematic behavior; especially with monogamy being the dominant relationship style for a long ass time now! Also, to your marriage question, some non-monogamous/poly dynamics have symbolic marriages and are pushing for legal marriage.
Well said. Thanks for the kind words. I think both sides can be a little bougie about what they prefer and how they think people should live their lives. Thanks for bringing your perspective to this convo.
I think that gay monogamy is realistic from both a social and a sexual point of view. Having been in monogamous relationships for most of my adult life and part of my teens, I know it is possible/can work (longest relationship was 14 years). Relationships aren't Disney events (full of rainbows/unicorns and fairy tales). Both guys have to be passionate about each other and dedicated to the relationship. Lust is easy, but love is hard. You have to choose love each and every day while remembering that cute fades so you need to have commonality to hold things together as well as doing other things to keep the relationship fresh and exciting. It takes time/dedication. Both guys need to be on the same page working to take care of each others needs and some of each others wants (no one is perfect lol). It's not for everyone though and that's where communication comes in (hopefully). It's interesting how many guys will talk about ENM or being in a polyamorous relationship, usually because earlier on (for most), sex is more important. However, as they get older, they tend to gravitate towards monogamy in many cases and/or just want someone (one person) who gets them, understands them and they can spend time with. That's usually because the sex drive has waned, they've experienced life and they missed a lesson earlier on.....that sex, while a good thing, isn't the only thing or even the most important thing. Experiencing intimacy.....having that deep connection to someone, is what's more important. I'll be quiet now lol.....Good discussion topic 😀😀😀 ("Sneaky links".....I'm dying - it's true though)
I grew up in a place where it was illegal to be gay until I was 23 years old. So much has changed in since that time. Now that gay marriage is now legal, it will be interesting to see what gay men will say in 20 years time.
I think one of my biggest issues with this community is this stigma of looks and Vanity of what society deems attractive.. as a Openly Bisexual man.. whose been in monogamous relationship with men.. but didn’t work out because I put all my chips in the bag with someone who had lifetime expectations, but the actions didn’t match his words.. not to mention we couldn’t grow past the stigma in how people viewed us.. it’s hard to say or believe but it’s not possible🤷🏾♂️.
YES. it is symptomatic of the larger neoliberal, consumer culture. But not all guys are D-bags, all depends where you look and to not have too high of standards appearance-wise yourself for who you'll try out
it’s ironic I’m planning to do a video about monogamy and poly. I was intrigued by the throuple on youtube “you poly ain’t ready” and how they make things work in ALL aspects.
Seems like monogamy don’t happen in gay relationship and probably one reason I’m still single. I meet have met many gay men in my life and many had someone and after finding that out, I’m like why are you trying to go out with me? I do have many friends in long term supposedly and in a monogamists relationship, but wonder if they managed to stay together bc they see other ppl. Good question on of gays seek monogamous relationship bc I feel I’m doing something wrong by expecting to find someone that want the same thing. What also confuses me is that everyone from my generation say that monogamy is what they want but when they meet ppl. that want that also, all the sudden it doesn’t seem like that’s what they want. Lots of hypocrisy going on!
Hi, Honesty is the Key to a good relationship,I have being in different relationships, I'm 63 and single now I lost my partner of 17 years 3 years ago to cancer, he was 56 and was very handsome, it was really hard for both of us and now I feel much better about everything, I'm still cute, I was very handsome when young, but now I'm enjoying life and if I meet someone and is meant to be then I guess that would be fine, great video, my partner was African American and I'm colombian. Thanks 🙏❤️🇺🇲🙏🇨🇴🥂🏳️🌈🎵🕊
I've never been to New York City, but with you already living there, I'd love to be as a guest, because you could show me the city and we could enjoy each other's company!
I have always said what works for others then it's fine. As for myself, I want a monogamous relationship. If I am dating or casually have a non committed relationship and we agree thats fine. However if its about love and commitment or marriage then it must be monogamous. For me Its about intamacy not just sex. If I want to run around with different men then Ill just stay single. Im not looking to play house or need someone to sleep with or eat with. If I settle down I need that total commitment.
I've been with my husband 30 years. We have been monogamous for all that time. Honestly tricking around is such a bore especially when we've got everything we want at home. No drama no scenes no suspicion. If you know that mono. is not for you don't get into a committed relationship. All you are doing is lying to yourself and your partner.
Hola Quincy Jay it’s good to see you post A new RUclips video up. And I thought I seen you outside my job two days ago on 112th street Broadway an maybe it wasn’t you 🤷🏽♂️🙂
It's hard to find good examples and role models. I don't really know any gay men in healthy monogamous relationships. It's discouraging, but then I realize the apps are the wrong place to look.... There are many couples on the apps that have it all: living with their high school sweetheart, owning a home, dogs, etc. and are still not satisfied. It's rough to see. Ironically, most of these couples are only into single guys and not the various other open couples just like them. And it makes sense: some of them are downright predatory and manipulative, going after the single guys that don't have the same safety net and backup that they share as a couple because it's safer for them. I know this the hard way... It's psychopathic to be honest.
I’m really curious to know what the success rate for gay marriages is. Often when I hear success rates or divorce rates I don’t believe those to include gay marriages. I do believe that whatever journey to love someone chooses there should always be respect, loyalty and clear communication at the base of it all.
All about preferences and seeing what works for both of the partners. It depends on which season of your life you are in with. No secret formula in long lasting partnership as each day is a choice of two people to stay to it.
Quincy you have obviously thought this through very carefully and went back to correct what wasn't. Watching various videos I am really struck by how jaded by their mid twenties many gays have become. After 25 they may face a very lonely life where they never can be sure of anything. Each of my parents were married three times and things never worked out. Finally I said "Mom you've got to give up on MEN. They are NO GOOD for you, and YOU are NO GOOD FOR THEM!" "I KNOW" she sniffed but I LIKE MEN"! When I came back from Vietnam there was a young couple in the apartment above me. She kept throwing it up to him what a NO GOOD he was. And he just kept taking it without a word. I hadn't come back from a war zone to LISTEN TO THIS! As a result I didn't marry until I was 53 and we've been happy for 25 years and will celebrate our Silver in August. A nice looking outgoing fellow I've known since he was a boy of 13 was never without being in a relationship with a girl. But he'd really fallen for a college sweetheart but they didn't want to settle in the same place so they called it quits. Immediately it seemed she moved in with another guy which he was shocked. Many years went by and then he'd heard about and called her up. She moved to be with him again and after several years I URGED HIM TO GET MARRIED which they did. I didn't especially care for her but said nothing. They were living in a highly economically and perhaps socially stressed environment. After nearly ten plus years it came as a bolt out of the blue when last November she wanted out. Many months later filled with feelings of failure he called me in tears to tell me as I hadn't known. Formal mutually agreed no fault divorce is now proceeding. Eventually I am sure he will find another perhaps a widow. Back when my parents decided to engage a picture of them in December 1936 was so innocent. They HADN'T A CLUE. In those difficult economic and then war times you didn't know if you'd be around tomorrow. So marriage was the ONE THING you could count on. I'd like to THINK we've improved but I doubt it. Another kid I had known when he was a boy down the street entered into "partner" relationships after college. Then we he changed jobs moving to Arizona he met another boy about his age but was reluctant to disclose until I had evidence and put it to him. After many years and some urging from me they are finally married though he has never explicitly said so. Pictures of them together are happy and contented. So YES IT CAN but for the most part probably not because too many are emotionally disturbed. Your contributions are so lucid and understanding to more than just minority community I would hope.
I will say for me personally, I’ve been married to my Husband for almost 6 years. We didn’t it was possible, but we created our own little world with each other.
I’ve never seen a successful open gay relationship and I’ve never been to a gay wedding. I have seen however many people get married and divorce, my thing is how does the relationship evolve past boyfriends ? It’s the fact that people can be comfortable benefiting from legal marriage but be open in stepping out on that for sexual gratification. It needs to be classified differently, the point of marriage is to close the relationship and lock it in not keep it open !
I don't know if i would say it's completely unrealistic, but absolutely unrealistic for most people especially at this point in time. I have my own hopes of finding a happy monogamous relationship, and i'm going to keep trying but it definitely is hard to find and keep. Especially in the tri state area lol
Sex is by nature about desire. Human desire is never contented with the present. When desire runs our lives loyalty has no place. Loving someone may had started with sexual desire but in time if it evolves into loving that person you may see how monogamy becomes your call with that person.
I just turned 48 and have become even more verile as I've aged. It's just coming out in my marriage that I'd like to be open because my libido is crazy. Monogamy was great for the first ten years of our marriage, but since covid hit, I think my second adolescence is coming out and I just need much more sex than we're having. Wish me luck as i navigate this conversation. PS: age has no bearing on this...I know MANY married gay couples (even ones with children) who play together or have completely open relationships where they enjoy other men frequently AND play together frequently. Don't be surprised if your elementary school principal, real estate agent, or software developer friends are engaged with multiple partners in various capacities outside their marriage.
Its essential to have relationships. Although if we look at the word relationship and give it new meaning it can change our perspective. Relationships are not infinite. We have many of them that lead us into all kinds of directions that can (hopefully) lead to lessons. I'm all for long distance now (totally off the rail) but its a case of social monogamy. At this point in my life (44) its important to build trust with a partner. I've gone through enough relationships to understand that social norms to not apply. Especially after a pandemic and the human awakening. A Partner is the goal.
As you see by the comments, it's possible. I'm a die-hard romantic, and monogamous. I don't want to be in a relationship unless it's mutual and he wants to be with me as much as I want to be with him. Of course, relationships run their course. However long it lasts put into it like it'll last forever. Communication is the key in any relationship. Love comes easy with the right guy. I'm here if you need me.
Monogamy is not the default for gay men because they have no societal pressure to settle down and raise a family. It can happen but it takes work! From my perspective, open relationships exist because some people think that a single person can’t satisfy all their demands so they include other people to compensate. But if you think about it, it’s very unrealistic to expect anyone to satisfy all your needs! The best you can wish for is someone who is compatible with you.
@@DiamondFlame45 scary. Methinks it is not about 1 person being unable to satisfy a need...it is probably more about having a palate of food and wanting to sample all or most items on the plate.
People who have relationships are just children in adult body’s. Here’s the thing about relationships they take work, strength, and maturity. Anytime I hear about open relationships, especially from the gay community and feel disgust. The whole gay rights movement on gay marriage was for gay marriage. The fact a lot of gay men have open relationships makes the fighting for gay marriage thing pointless, because people see that we never wanted it. That’s my opinion on open relationships. Let’s not forget despite the hiv epidemic in the 80s a lot of gay men still are responsible for STDs spreading, which has not gone down.
Thanks for watching y’all. I love healthy and respectful discourse. I am by no means an expert on the subject. Please share your thoughts and experience if you feel open to it. As always, be well. Love & peace ❤️✌🏽
So cute 😘
Being a gay man i was in a monogamous relationship for 12 years and parted ways with my partner because i wanted us to move and explore and grow together in another state and he was very comfortable staying as is and we parted ways leaving me single for 14 years. I met another wonderful man 14 years later and we just celebrated our 13th anniversary when we became partners and we married 2 years ago in August and are very happy in a healthy gay monogamous relationship as a gay married couple. Yes, gay monogamy is realistic!
Wow congrats man
Thanks for sharing your story! Goals.
Thank you!!!!!!
The Bible say be you are if no one can except you just be who you are.
Stories like this are so wonderful to hear, gives me hope 🥰
Having a monogamous relationship has always been my relationship goal.😢
More of us monogamous gays are out there! I live in Miami, we're seemingly nobody is, but I have hope I will find another Christian gay man to spend the rest of my life with
Ive been with my husband for 32 years. We met in 1991. Ive never tipped out on him and i believe hes the same- He's more an honest person than i - so i think i know him to be faithful. I have gay friends who are monogamous for 25+ years. We fought for marriage equality for a reason!!!!😊 MONOGAMY
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That’s so refreshing to hear, I hope I can meet my special one someday too ❤
Not all men gay or straight are horn dogs. I am an older man that came out at age 42 and I only have had 2 partners in 22 years. I am considered good- looking so it was not because I didn't get offers. Monogamy is definitely a possibility for some of us.
It's actually about 50% of gays that are monogamous. I'm the same way as well, I honestly don't like hearing poly people say that monogamy isn't realistic because it just isn't true. It's just more of their gaslighting. Kinda insidious really.
Being a horn dog isnt bad, especially if you find your horn bun. Being a horn dog isn’t something to be shamed
@@blindOni being a horndog is better with one person you love forever ideally.
I still want that Disney fairytale love story. Between STDs, being more introverted, and needing that person who feels like family and a friend leads me to monogamy.
Same. Is it possible to have this abs be open?
@@tygrallure6895 yes and no. one has to realize that opening it increases the potential to destabilize it. what if they meet someone they like more, and next thing you know you're out the door?
I'm not against anyone, and ppl can be open if they want, no judgement. But personally, I protect me and mine, and don't roll the dice.
My partner and I have been in a monogamous relationship for the past 22 years and believe it or not our sex life is WAY better now than when we were younger. We have many couple friends also in monogamous relationships. It's definitely possible but certainly not for everyone.
how do you maintain a monogamous relationship? not going to gay clubs? having mostly straight friends?
Maybe just saying no to hookups @@lukaszgladysz3
@@lukaszgladysz3 um, not having sex with other people? That's simple, really.
I'm gay and monogamy comes naturally to ME.
When I hear people like you speak about this topic, I get the feeling how much emphasis you have to put on sex in order not to offend anyone. As if sex is everything in today's society and you are attacking something untouchable for gay men while we don't talk enough about love, emotional intelligence in men or other equally important topics, for example.
On the contrary, people are terrified to talk about love, feelings, the vulnerable, the real, but how dare you not give this hyperbolic importance and place to sex in front of the gay community? Here you walk on quicksand and you have to be careful.
I really feel the effort of how all the arguments end up justifying sex as the epicenter of our lives. And you don't have to try so hard to magnify sex and normalize having it with all God to win some popularity contest or be politically correct knowing that your audience is mostly gay men.
Of course, sex is important but there is much more, just as and more important. And sex is not what makes a relationship a relationship. Or are asexual people in romantic relationships not having as legitimate a relationship as anyone else just because they don't have sex? This would be a very simplistic and reductionist thought, which I feel sorry for. A relationship is much more.
Personally, as a gay man I don't feel represented with this idea that just because I'm gay I have to have random hookups with everyone. That a hypersexualized life with multiple people is what drives and defines me for being a man and gay. That because I'm a man and gay, I cannot be faithful to my partner and I cannot want what straight people have without this implying a horde of gays taking offense and attributing to me a heteronormative life which I don't want because I'm not conventional at all, even though I'm monogamous.
Because being monogamous or not has nothing to do with life paradigms but rather what comes naturally to who you are. And I value quality more, even with the effort that this entails and ''also'' the benefits these efforts bring to the relationship, than quantity.
I don't judge open or poly relationships but questioning whether it is realistic or natural for two men to love each other romantically and sexually exclusively is like a question taken out of this gay dystopia that this paraphernal society is creating.
It's like... and gay men like me? I have to be ashamed, or silence or censor myself for being politically correct just because I feel and think differently than this (often unhealthy and pathological) way of life where constantly having sex with new people, and the more the merrier, be a normativity that I'm supposed to take?
No. And that doesn't make me less of a man or less gay.
I want a monogamous relationship and have always wanted it.
In my opinion, in this world there is room for all kinds of people and preferences. I just feel that people like me and a few are being made invisible or viewed with skepticism or condescension, and it's very difficult to find someone who wants the same.
It sucks to be a minority of a minority. Very lonely, and it seems that today you have to say that you love to f*ck with everyone if you want to look cool. And no, I don't like f*cking everyone. Get over it. I don't need more than the person I love.
But if people need more and want more, good for them. If there is no damage to third parties, go for it. If there are agreements and respect, do it. I support people's decisions, but please don't say that monogamy is not sustainable or not natural because it's total ignorance.
I prefer to forge bonds and connections and something emotional with one person. And have all the sex in the world with them.
But that's how I feel, because for me it's not easy to create these things with just anyone. That's why it never ceases to amaze me when someone says that they've found several partners at the same time.
Another question is to wonder why people get into a relationship so many times in the first place, and go from there.
Then I watch TV shows like Heartstopper and I see something sweet and innocent and pure which reminded me of my own feelings and expectations of life years ago, and then I remember my community and how fake that can be. Most of all I feel sorry for young gay guys who might think they'll find something like this easily, when statistically this is not a reality for most. I thought that way in my pre-adolescence and had hope in my teen years, but... reality prevailed. Cheating or open relationships.
But the most ironic thing about it's to see the entire gay community agree on the ideal of this show xD while later you see how they perpetuate a very, very different reality, cause they want it and they don't know how to live in any other way, it doesn't matter if that destroys their mental health or not. They don't know how to stop it and there are times when it seems that the social imposition in the gay community makes us feel that there are no other alternatives.
It's sad, but regardless of that, we natural (not forced) monogamous gays exist. We are few apparently, but we exist. And I don't need to justify anything in order for people to believe me or believe that I can't have a beautiful and healthy relationship with another person and feel happy and fulfilled with it and my life.
Do what works for you but don't diminish what you don't feel or understand. The heteros already did that to us and it's not pleasant at all.
Greetings.
Hey Aaron, you've clearly had these issues on your mind for a while. So have I. I agree with much of what you've said. It's definitely a major problem within our community, and I realise that my want for a 'soulmate' etc. actually puts me outside of large parts of the gay community - It can be really sad, I just have to have hope tho..
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You scream truth buddy, I one hundred percent agree with you.
A lot of queer people are choosing to have polygamous relationships or even have friends with benifits. They're not doing this because it's natural for them, they're doing it because they're not disaplined. You agree?
Also a lot of them have come out of Christian households being told that sex is bad and the kind of sex that they want is bad, so I guess when they break out of that, they want to go the complete opposite direction and be super promiscuous and it's sad because that kind of life is so empty.
I agree, 100% ❤
My Spouse and I have been in a Monogamy relationship for twenty eight years, don’t get me wrong, there is always temptation , especially when sometimes you disagree with each other on certain issues.
I am ten years older than him, and I feel very fortunate that we have each other. We got married when marriage was passed. I am, and do love him completely , in time the love turns into something more special, you don’t notice things about the other one
That might of bothered you when you both got together.
It’s an amazing love that takes hard work and am very fortunate that I met him.
I can honestly say, I would die for him, and by the way, he act’s like the older man.
I always remembered a saying, don’t look for love, love will find you when you least expect it. I believe that gay couples could live a life time together if you both work together.
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Beautiful, I hope I find the kind of love you did
Been with the same guy for 30 years in April 2023.
I think at this point we need to admit that a lot of gay men are sex addicts. I don’t care whether they pursue stable relationships or funs. Still one thing is very clear that if you have sex with multiple different people every week or month, it is not normal or healthy. That’s a symptom of sex addictions. It needs to be fixed period.
This really depends on you and your partner. I have had different types of relationships, what I learned is honesty is the key to making any of them work. Without honesty even the best intentions will fail
Perfect answer.
Honesty always! Thanks for adding to the conversation.
I totally agree with you. 👍
I’m all for it when the right one comes along I’m freshly single again and I’m just focusing on myself. I find that our community is to focused on sex everywhere you turn everything is sexualized in our community the people that are in monogamous relationships don’t get the attention they should to show something other than sex and lust
Fax!
Monogamy is not a set up for failure. It works. Both people need to simply have the same core values. It's not hard at all. You have to want it.
This 100% 🙏
I believe this. I want it but my partner doesn't..
I just think that we're all individuals, and the world isn't one size fits all. What works for one, may not work for another. We should do what makes us happy, and we shouldn't try to fit into spaces we don't belong. I think the issues is, we look at humans as a general whole, and the reality is, as we have different personalities, traits, upbringing, our nature vs nurture, there isn't a definitive answer, the answer is different for each individual. I want to be married, and that's what works for me.
💯 well put.
@@quincyjay Thank you.
I agree with you 100%
if you're not monogamous, rules for the open relationship are made. What you can do with another person, the restrictions are there and more often than not broken. Also, so much disease out there, I'd be fearful of that. Monogamy is is a goal that few achieve. Quincy, you rock.
Respecting someone is. Not wanting to hurt them is. Valuing their presence is.
The challenge is finding the person that YOU love. It is not enough to be loved - that is easy - all you do is bask in the attention. Are you settling? And, more disturbing, are you being settled for? People have hearts, no matter what the porn and the erotica and the social media platforms will tell you. And, time passes by more quickly than you think. The day after tomorrow, you will suddenly find yourself in your 50's and realizing that the one that slipped through your fingers is the one that you actually wish was there to hold, to hold you, and to share your kisses.
Trust me.
well put. puts things into perspective.
i think with younger guys , i think its a time to explore your sexuality and kinda just do it and get it over with . There will be a time when you kinda get over all that and you want a relationship with people .
And there are people like me who only wanted to be in a relationship right out of high school and now still in a LTR and want to explore, but together. 😌
Lol, it's so random isn't?@@jbar_85
So glad you’re on this topic Quincy.Just finished watching the whole video: First I want to say I’m a monogamous person and a hopeless romantic.
Second: People shouldn’t tell other gays how to live their lives and how they do relationships
BUT what I noticed most of time it’s because say if Me ( A monogamous guy) was trying to get to know or date another guy a lot of times the guy doesn’t make it clear if they are monogamous so some guys tend to waste other people times by not being clear or honest if they are monogamous, open or just sleeping around.
That to me is the problem and most of time people always end up getting hurt because of not clear communication.
Third: Look at today’s media, social media, tv, magazines, porn etc. Our generation is very hyper sexualized and the gay community is even more of that.
It’s okay if you want to explore sleep around etc. Though since everything is so visual it puts expectations on every guy for example you have to be skinny, fit, light skin, six pack etc. Then there’s the idea of not settling which is a whole topic in itself. So with that it makes monogamy especially for gays hard to come by.
Final: Not everyone wants to sleep around or be open but due to the gay community being less monogamous it forces us monogamous people into open relationships because that’s the closest some of us will get to monogamy (I’ve never been in an open relationship btw speaking in general) .
Love the multiple points you make. Appreciate you sharing your perspective 🙏🏽
I do have a gay relative who has been with his bf for 14y monogamous. He inspired me a lot. On the opposite side Heterosexuals showed me cheating from Monday to Monday. Looool
I do believe, after few years with someone, people can try to open their couple or try other "dishes", but gay culture becomes more like: i am with you, but I also want half the neighborhood, within 1y dating...
We don't know favorite colors, families, friends, favorite dish, what we dislike...... but they know the size of every guy around.
Monogamy In a gay relationship can exist.. that’s actually what I’m looking for, had it at one point but all in all just cause you gay it doesn’t defeat the fact you wanna be with one person.
Of course not. The question was somewhat hyperbole, more got the sake of discussion.
One of the keys, is communication between the two individuals regarding a monogamous or open relationship. Part of the problem is when one person decides to make an adjustment(change)and not tell the other! Issues will arise but we must be able to discuss them and reshape the agreement. If this is not applicable? Then we must come to another joint decision. Everyone’s relationship is different. It’s finding what works for you that can be challenging. As a hopeless romantic, I believe in monogamy which has to be mutually agreed upon. Thanks for another great video!👍🏾
It honestly depends on the two parties if they’d like a 3rd or 4th partner in the relationship or not. Personally I’d love to be in a monogamous relationship once I’m in love with someone my heart is only for that person so, a polygamous relationship simply wouldn’t work for me personally.
That's why I'm single. I have yet to find the one I'd like to be monogamous with. If I ever find them I would be done with sleeping around. But I think a successful monogamous relationship has to more than about sex. The two of you would have to genuinely like each other in other ways and focus on other things instead of sex. IMO.
So with all the persons u have been sexing, there is no1 u genuinely like or finding more interesting than just to sleep with? one of the problems in the gay community is that "dishonesty is currency". Too many fakes, too many liars, too many ppl who dont love themselves and so find it difficult to love others.
@@poohbita_88 I don't have sex with a whole lot of people. The one thing I don't do is fuck first and get to know you afterwards, unless I'm out of town and on vacation. Even then it may not happen. There was one that I genuinely like but he passed away years ago. When I was with him I didn't have sex with anyone else. You kinda answer your own question with the end of your post. "Too many fakes, too many liars, too many ppl who don't love themselves and so find it difficult to love others." At my age I have no time to deal with people like that.
Trust is so hard to build, and for this to be the shattering piece of any relationship can be terrifying. This is a topic I really struggle with a lot. Not because I don't care for monogamy at all, or that I want a completely open relationship at all points in time. It's a topic I struggle with because no one knows the future, and the piece you mentioned about confronting the feelings can be hard. Knowing you want to confront the feelings when you know (hopefully) your partner so well makes you "that person." One way or another. You could end up being the person dealing with wanting or NOT wanting to be open or otherwise in terms of lifestyle. Though, at the end of the day you should just be getting to know your entire sense of self
I am so happy you brought this topic up. I always believed in monogamy. Any relationship I had men would be very disrespectful at the start of our relationship. Flirting with other guys, sex or texting with other guys then it would put me off and some part of me would eventually emotionally shut down and I would then do the same and as the relationship progressed when whoever I was with would be more emotionally invested in me than I was in them because of how it went down in the beginning. I know this is something I need to work on but as I have gotten older I tend to not want any type of relationship and stay single. I am not sure if I could be in An open relationship. It’s not something I aspire to be in but I don’t knock it if other guys are open. I just think honesty is key. I do know other men that are in monogamous relations but they tend to more feminine, older and less attractive. Hot guys tend to be sluts. I think two men being together is generally quite hard.
“I always thought monogamy was brown veneer furniture that you had to polish all the time”. Robin Tyler
Myself and partner have been together for 8 years coming on 9 and I met him when I was 25 I’m now 33 and we are expecting a baby girl imminently ! We have had ups and downs as with every relationship and grown and learnt along the way. We love each other and wanted to build a family unit together and that means full bodied commitment. Gay men can be monogamous, unfortunately the gay stereotype of being promiscuous is so deeply rooted it seems most men are accepting of that, when in actual fact we can be fully committed, we can marry we can have kids, we can buy a home together. Heteronormativity is becoming saturated and all of the above is available to us all irrespective of our sexual orientation, monogamy is not solely for heterosexuals it is an open term used to describe the dyadic relationship between two individuals. Sadly sex seems to be all we know of being gay men when there is so much more to our evolution than that… a lot of us come with baggage which needs unpacking and the people who manage to start unloading find it easier to avoid continually scratching an itch.. sadly the way sex is so easily obtainable through dating apps doesn’t help it’s a rabbit hole. Monogamy is not for everyone but I’m tired of people thinking that gay men are simply promiscuous …
I’m for monogamy all the way! Intimacy with one person is far important for me .
I've been watching you on RUclips for a while & you're an old soul with much wisdom. I'm gay like you, so I can relate to you being gay. Quincy, you are helping many others with your knowledge & I want to commend you for your honesty.
You know its weird how time can change people. Younger me would be like "Monogamy" only but now I’m at a place where I still like and seek out monogamy but I can understand why people would go for non-monogamy. I can say that its something that I could possibly consider if I loved someone and they brought up the idea. At the end of the day though neither is superior and people should be free to discover what type of relationship works best for them without being shamed for it. I really enjoy the perspective you bring to these topics you discuss in your videos, great work!
I really resonate with your response! Thanks for sharing, and appreciate the support and kind words. 🙏🏽
Excellent view! I feel the same way! 21 year old me and 36 year old me on monogamous relationships are different. However, my relationship, we want a boy toy together. It’s hot doing it together as a couple. 🥵
Quincy, I think you throw out some brilliant topics of conversation that are essential for gay people and for the rest of the LGBTQI+ community to open up and discuss really important matters. I find you truly switched on and genuinely authentic. Wishing you GREAT SUCCESS on your RUclips Channel journey. I think you will go on to a big justified following. You are helping many people navigate their way through life. Well done. Love your clips a great deal. Seb, Sydney Australia
Hey thanks so much, truly appreciate the kindness and support ❤️🙏🏽
I would love to have a monogamous relationship but nobody likes to do the monogamous relationship with me 😢
My main thoughts right now is to be honest. Honest with your partner but more so with yourself. And also respectful. I could go on for hours but long story short I believe loving and caring is built on honesty, trust and respect. Even if it may hurt. I'd rather have someone say they don't like me and mean it than say they love me and not mean it. But yes I believe gay monogamy is possible maybe even more than straight relationships.
Monogamy is not possible in haft relationships. If anyone says otherwise they are kidding themselves. I have been in a relationship for 24 years and after the first year discovered in was only me being monogamous. His only focus was finding the next meet. I have tried everything . Having an open relationship, having meets together with other guys ect and he was still meeting up with other people . About 5 years ago I chucked his stuff out of my room and said I wasn’t sharing my bed or anything else with him anymore. We are now like 2 friends who barely get on. I wish he had been honest at the beginning as at least I could of had a chance of finding the relationship I wanted. I still love him but couldn’t ever have him near me again
hell ya, good for you for throwing his stuff out. there's billions of people in the world, you'll find someone who loves you, you sound like a nice person. they're out there. Yet at the same time, don't need another person to fulfill you.
I am so tired of hearing this question about monogamy and fidelity. If it is not natural to you then the answer is no. It is natural to me and I have always insisted on it, if that means being alone the rest of my life then great, I am fine with that. If you are fucking tons of guys or hooking up with others while in a "relationship" then you are not really in a relationship. You are calling one guy your husband, boyfriend, partner, while you shop for someone better. To me the fact that I have committed to one man means even if it is not always easy you stick to that man and do not go out shopping around on him, and if he does on you then there is no relationship. You are basically roommates with benefits till you find something better. If monogamy is a sacrifice you find too hard then you are not relationship material, and it really is all about trust. I think you cannot claim to love someone you do not trust. And sorry but being roommates without this boundary just is not for a lot of us, it is not enough to base a relationship upon.
I think anything is possible so long as you and your partner(s) all agree on it. I’m not gonna pretend like I haven’t judged relationships that aren’t monogamous, but I have to check myself and remember that just because it doesn’t work for me, doesn’t mean it won’t work for someone else.
The way my jealousy is set up, I need monogamy because it’d hurt to see someone I love being intimate with someone else. Personally, I look at it like this: having our cake and eating it too is utopic, but in life, sacrifices must be made. Post-nut clarity is a great thing, and that nut ain’t worth sacrificing a great relationship at home TO ME.
This was a great conversation to have. I have some thoughts:
I often disagree that we in the LGBTQIA+ community think about sex more than the straight community. If we look at history, sex is a common thought through the larger society of people but I believe gay sex has been attacked and demonized by the straight community so that their sex seems normal and non existent. When you then compare the two, people will see us and say it’s hard for us to have a relationship because we are Sex focused… but that is sloppy argument building. We are no more focused on sex than anyone else.
Because of this I also believe that what will make monogamy even harder than it has historically been is the advent of technology. People couldn’t be monogamous simply leaving their homes when they were living in a village, much less monogamous by seeing a nude sent to them on the internet. The issue is that monogamy was the only option given so people had no choice but to either sneak or get caught cheating but historically many people were polyamorous. Again with technology we have a braver generation who is saying we are not being forced on how to love and who to love.
Do I think it is realistic to strive for monogamy. Of course. Do I think it is difficult yes. Why to both my answers? Because you have to find the right person who also wants monogamy (not everyone has a more people desire) and it’s difficult if you are trying to make someone fit your desire that is not naturally something they want. We can’t do this for someone we like, we have to do it for ourselves.
Really great answer. Always love hearing your perspective / thoughts 🙂
@@quincyjay Aw boo well thank you. I guess it is no surprise that I love hearing your perspective/thoughts as well. hahaha, i am still here and arent going anywhere.
Are you aware male/male married relationships are the most monogamous? Their divorce rates are lower than straight couples and much lower then lesbian couples. It's women who initiate divorce - jeez no-one knew this lol! 🧡
Lol, I posted my 1st comment on honesty before hearing you mention honesty!
I fully believe that gay monogamy is realistic! Do I think it's easy or even natural? For the most part no. Personally monogamy feels very natural to me. Some gays feel the exact same and some disagree. It varies for everyone and that is fine. Relationships are hard and change over the years. What you and your partner found hot and fun in 2010 may not be hot and fun in 2030. As the relationship evolves you and your partner have to communicate all the more and allow room for growth in whatever direction and however uncomfortable. Where ever you fall on this debate it boils down to respect for your partner enough to be honest and trusting them enough to be vulnerable.
Excellent videos Quincy! Love them! Regarding Gay monogamous relationships, prior to 1980 (the start of the AIDS horror), 95% of Gay couples either had an "open" relationship or one or the other cheated on each other. The word "boyfriend" did not exist in Gay lexicon. The word used back then was "lover". The "sliver lining" in the AIDS horror is that it made much of the Gay community more monogamous, something that I always preferred. Prior to 1980, when I was in my 20s, if I would say to a guy that I really liked him and wanted to see him again, many times they would say that I needed to leave soon, because their lover was coming home soon. Lover??!!! What the hell were they doing with me??? I used to get so pissed and upset over that, but it was what it was. Couples (boyfriends + Gay husbands / wives) are much more prevalent now-a days than back then.
I guess there's a silver lining to everything
Flings and casual hook ups are fun and exciting, however, as life progresses with its myriad of challenges, eventually it's nice to have someone there for you. To hold you when your aunt dies, to hold you when a surgery is pending, to see you in your worst moments and love you.
In my experience, many gay men have full
lists of guys to hook up with but when shit hits the fan, none of those hook ups are there.
In addition to my previous comment, I think age and maturity also play a big part in being monogamous. I honestly really enjoy your you tube channel and wish you love, health and happiness in your new home.
I have NEVER encountered a strictly monogamous gay couple.
Yes monogamy is possible if you truly love that person even in gay relationships. Seen gay guys being with one partner for a long time and they’re happy.
Yes, I believe that monogamy is possible for gay men.
ok so this is a great discussion topic, however, I somehow got lost when you were on the screen. You are way to attractive to have these kinds of discussions on youtube. The first video that popped up on my feed today, youtube did something right.
I've known many gay men and when they are in relationships, they still are with others. Not saying its not possible, but it has always seemed to me to be like the relationship is the "main" partner, but they have others. Ive never met a monogamous gay male couple. Lesbians however seem to always be monogamous. Maybe it's the whole "men were made to sow their seed" idea. Exceptions to all rules, but thats just been my experience.
Great video Quincy! Thanks for opening up this discussion! as a monogamous I also have similar frustation when it comes to this topic. I want to contribute some of my takes on this, hopefully these can help:
I think, sex is a part of relationship, but not the only part of relationship. intimacy can be mistaken as sex, but intimacy is not only sex. The possibility of both parties to think beyond sex and towards other form of intimacy will depend on their willingness to grow the relationship. But its hard, scary and messy. I can see its easier to find reason to change partner (as the novelty wither), therefore it might be the reason why gay dating is so sexualised. but the real underlying problem is not addressed.
When it comes to examples to endure growth, Heterosexual couples have more exposures of experiences for their struggles in post-honeymoon phase in a relationship (e.g having kids and shift of priorities in the relationship).
I can also see there's not much of 'realistic stories' (films/novels and such) on long-term struggles of gay relationship for us to learn from (especially compared to heterosexual couples). So, most of us do trial-and-error method and its frustating, exhausting, and eventually might erode feelings of hope. if we add this reality to how discussing about feelings deemed 'unmanly', we got more desperation with lust as the background.
To base sexual attraction as a main oundation in relationship, i think, might lead to a series of failed ones, this is might be why 'opening up' monogamous relationship might be an alternative panacea for some. but then, it may give additional risks - esp. emotional risk (trust, lies, covering up, etc.). so, more complication :S
Now, I'm not trying to be a prude here, I know sex is fun (yas), but it can also be quite intoxicating. Therefore, it can also be addictive, especially being coupled with the intention to medicate the feelings of loneliness/validation/desirability. (Velvet Rage by Alan Downs talked about this)
So is it realistic? Well, its seems not impossible but yes its really hard. please dont lose hope!
I guess, the solution i can think of is to be more mindful when it comes to sex and relationship. not necessarily becoming a monk tho, lol
Great points! Thanks for adding so much to the conversation 🙏🏽❤️
I had a monogamous relationship for 8 years before we "opened up the relationship". It ended up bringung the relationship. My current partner of 8 years now wants an open relationship and I dont want to. I think its going to break us up 😢
I’m sorry to hear that man. Please prioritise yourself. You have the ability to sustain a long term relationship, you can use that as leverage for your next long term relationship
I'm in a similar situation, and it's heartbreaking. Especially when both of us genuinely love each other and is happy. Being bisexual he misses the opposite gender. He can't hold himself back anymore and I don't want to be the one standing in his way. I honestly don't know what to do. If I should just go with it, and try out an open relationship. Or break up.
Ow, thanks for your video, I’m From Dominican Republic, and And everything you said in this video I agree. I hope can see your videos in this page and enjoy it! You are really nice guys.
I have yet to meet a real world example of a gay open relationships that lasted more than a year. Internet stories don't mean anything to me as anyone can make a claim. I go by what I see in the real world
I’m a 1 man woman! (It’s a song) I knew earlier on that I want to be married and have a family but I definitely get scared bcuz I feel like most ppl is into polygamy and it’ll effect me 🥴
As people evolve and become more educated, they will opt out of traditional relationship norms. However, we always have a choice to be in any relationship we desire without judgment. There are all types of relationships. The goal is to choose the one you can be your authentic self in.
Married and monogamous. Going on 31 years. Works just fine.
I really hope you find that monogamous relationship you are actually looking forward to.
You would deserve it.
In my experience monogamy is also a choice and a decision its as simple as that.
There will be days when you will find someone else also attractive but you decide not to have sex with them because something or someone else is more important.
Its not that complex or complicated but guys tend to make a big deal out of it.
Also, it just simply became social pressure , gay social pressure to hook up all the time.
Honestly I feel under represented in the gay community with my monogamous wishes.
I dont judge anyone and also been through the hook up phase but still even while going through it I just knew that monogamy is something more close to me... however when I try to talk about it, specially about love I get a lot of weird looks.
As a last point, the hook up culture also doesnt allow for someone to experience love in a way where you can experience sex with your partner in multiple ways.
I meet guys who literally have never experienced someone loving them and having sex that way and I dont necessary mean that it has to be tender and with candle light... I just mean the variety of it let it be hard or soft sex...so to see that they only know how to have sex with a complete stranger (or in that way only ) is rather sad.
Nothing which cant be changed with experience but again, I was also surprised to see that its a thing.
To me its not about sex, when it comes to monogamy . It’s about respect , commitment , and love . It’s simple if you truly love the person you will be monogamous. Yes there will be occasions where temptation creeps up ( it’s called life ) , that’s where love and respect for your partner comes into play . And discipline . Second , I respect my body and my health , statistically if you choose not to be monogamous in a relationship your chances of getting any STDs are greater , or getting Infected with HIV , no matter how careful or having safe sex . Hot sex leads from one thing to another . And the worst thing would be transmitting any disease to you partner . So in conclusion , to me an open relationship is redundant it’s a convenience based on other psychological needs . So I personally have high expectations when and if I go into a relationship. If you set the bar low , that’s what you’ll attract. Common values , good companionship communication and yes good sex are very important however the latter ( sex) doesn’t last when you enter the fall and winter of your life . Love does.
thank you for making this video bc i've been looking so long for this
#MONOGAMY :) I agree different strokes for different folks, I've always had monogamous relationships. I prefer it for myself. I tried the open relationship in recent years because I thought maybe this was the remedy(I'm gay and it's what my relationship must be to sustain itself) for my challenged, struggled, not lasting relationships and it was not. It made it more challenging in my personal experience. At 44, I no longer see a lot of worth in investing in a relationship especially with the challenges of the day. I do however CRAVE just some ROMANCE even if sex is the focus, but ROMANCE is surely dead and that makes my soul cry:(
I think many gay man put too much emphasis on sexual compatibility and not enough on compatibility as a whole. I’m also one of those weirdos that needs to have an emotional connection to the person, not just sexual. Granted, the sexual part will be fun in the beginning, but once I realize it’s no more than that, I lose interest quick. I desire to have someone who genuinely cares about me, understands me, and will be my ride or die as I would be for them. As a man in my late 40s, that’s more important now than ever.
It helps to see that most things in the universe are on a continuum, and that includes gay relationships. It ranges from non monogamy to monogamy. We are all different, and our relationships vary.
Obvious answer is yes, but I just wish people would be clearer about their intentions. The whole I'm bored so let's invite others into the bedroom has always turned me off, but it's so common with gay couples. Hopefully it gets better after my 20's idk.
I will say, I’m starting to become fatigued with the Monogamy/Non-monogamy conversation. Oftentimes, it becomes a versus match and people pulling all types of theories or stats to support their side either way. So THANK YOU for having a more nuanced conversation that didn’t solely resort to pitting one against the other. I just want the entire conversation to evolve to being okay with the fact that there will always be variation in human/animal behavior. People have options in choosing what relationships style is best for them.
I do have a question though. Has anyone experienced an air of “intelligentsia” with conversations around non-monogamy? I’m all for it as a viable option BUT lately it feels like some proponents of non-monogamy view themselves almost as “The Talented Tenth” to use Du Bois’ concept. Or only a certain intellect or class of people will be successful in it? Maybe it is just my experience. And to be fair, monogamists participate in similar problematic behavior; especially with monogamy being the dominant relationship style for a long ass time now! Also, to your marriage question, some non-monogamous/poly dynamics have symbolic marriages and are pushing for legal marriage.
Well said. Thanks for the kind words. I think both sides can be a little bougie about what they prefer and how they think people should live their lives. Thanks for bringing your perspective to this convo.
I think that gay monogamy is realistic from both a social and a sexual point of view. Having been in monogamous relationships for most of my adult life and part of my teens, I know it is possible/can work (longest relationship was 14 years). Relationships aren't Disney events (full of rainbows/unicorns and fairy tales). Both guys have to be passionate about each other and dedicated to the relationship. Lust is easy, but love is hard. You have to choose love each and every day while remembering that cute fades so you need to have commonality to hold things together as well as doing other things to keep the relationship fresh and exciting. It takes time/dedication.
Both guys need to be on the same page working to take care of each others needs and some of each others wants (no one is perfect lol). It's not for everyone though and that's where communication comes in (hopefully).
It's interesting how many guys will talk about ENM or being in a polyamorous relationship, usually because earlier on (for most), sex is more important. However, as they get older, they tend to gravitate towards monogamy in many cases and/or just want someone (one person) who gets them, understands them and they can spend time with. That's usually because the sex drive has waned, they've experienced life and they missed a lesson earlier on.....that sex, while a good thing, isn't the only thing or even the most important thing. Experiencing intimacy.....having that deep connection to someone, is what's more important.
I'll be quiet now lol.....Good discussion topic 😀😀😀 ("Sneaky links".....I'm dying - it's true though)
Enjoy your evening Quincy Jay and great stuff on here and it’s best to be honest with ourselves first. And for me I’m just single all my life 🏳️🌈
I grew up in a place where it was illegal to be gay until I was 23 years old.
So much has changed in since that time.
Now that gay marriage is now legal, it will be interesting to see what gay men will say in 20 years time.
I think 🤔 it is realistic. All relationships take work and effort 👌 but rewarding things always do 😉
I think one of my biggest issues with this community is this stigma of looks and Vanity of what society deems attractive.. as a Openly Bisexual man.. whose been in monogamous relationship with men.. but didn’t work out because I put all my chips in the bag with someone who had lifetime expectations, but the actions didn’t match his words.. not to mention we couldn’t grow past the stigma in how people viewed us.. it’s hard to say or believe but it’s not possible🤷🏾♂️.
YES. it is symptomatic of the larger neoliberal, consumer culture. But not all guys are D-bags, all depends where you look and to not have too high of standards appearance-wise yourself for who you'll try out
Quincy, you are fine fine. But I know for a fact that monogamy is definitely for me. 🤞🏾✨
I hope monogamy is highly promoted for gay men. But you know what works for couples works for couples. ❤
So handsome. 😘 Good topic. Hey, I bought some of the protein pancake mix. I haven't cooked it yet.
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it’s ironic I’m planning to do a video about monogamy and poly. I was intrigued by the throuple on youtube “you poly ain’t ready” and how they make things work in ALL aspects.
I'm leaving a comment because it's the thing to do.
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When the shoe fits it is the best feeling!!!
Seems like monogamy don’t happen in gay relationship and probably one reason I’m still single. I meet have met many gay men in my life and many had someone and after finding that out, I’m like why are you trying to go out with me? I do have many friends in long term supposedly and in a monogamists relationship, but wonder if they managed to stay together bc they see other ppl.
Good question on of gays seek monogamous relationship bc I feel I’m doing something wrong by expecting to find someone that want the same thing. What also confuses me is that everyone from my generation say that monogamy is what they want but when they meet ppl. that want that also, all the sudden it doesn’t seem like that’s what they want. Lots of hypocrisy going on!
Hi, Honesty is the Key to a good relationship,I have being in different relationships, I'm 63 and single now I lost my partner of 17 years 3 years ago to cancer, he was 56 and was very handsome, it was really hard for both of us and now I feel much better about everything, I'm still cute, I was very handsome when young, but now I'm enjoying life and if I meet someone and is meant to be then I guess that would be fine, great video, my partner was African American and I'm colombian. Thanks 🙏❤️🇺🇲🙏🇨🇴🥂🏳️🌈🎵🕊
I wish to date a guy like you one day. I feel like no connections with anyone here in my vicinity. Thanks for tackling these difficult topics😁!
I've never been to New York City, but with you already living there, I'd love to be as a guest, because you could show me the city and we could enjoy each other's company!
I have always said what works for others then it's fine. As for myself, I want a monogamous relationship. If I am dating or casually have a non committed relationship and we agree thats fine. However if its about love and commitment or marriage then it must be monogamous. For me Its about intamacy not just sex. If I want to run around with different men then Ill just stay single. Im not looking to play house or need someone to sleep with or eat with. If I settle down I need that total commitment.
I've been with my husband 30 years. We have been monogamous for all that time. Honestly tricking around is such a bore especially when we've got everything we want at home. No drama no scenes no suspicion. If you know that mono. is not for you don't get into a committed relationship. All you are doing is lying to yourself and your partner.
Hola Quincy Jay it’s good to see you post A new RUclips video up. And I thought I seen you outside my job two days ago on 112th street Broadway an maybe it wasn’t you 🤷🏽♂️🙂
It's hard to find good examples and role models. I don't really know any gay men in healthy monogamous relationships. It's discouraging, but then I realize the apps are the wrong place to look....
There are many couples on the apps that have it all: living with their high school sweetheart, owning a home, dogs, etc. and are still not satisfied. It's rough to see.
Ironically, most of these couples are only into single guys and not the various other open couples just like them. And it makes sense: some of them are downright predatory and manipulative, going after the single guys that don't have the same safety net and backup that they share as a couple because it's safer for them. I know this the hard way... It's psychopathic to be honest.
I totally agree with you. Priorities does have ALOT to do with each individual situation so everybody's relationship is different & unique I guess.
I’m really curious to know what the success rate for gay marriages is. Often when I hear success rates or divorce rates I don’t believe those to include gay marriages. I do believe that whatever journey to love someone chooses there should always be respect, loyalty and clear communication at the base of it all.
Relationship is all about trust that why I stay single you can do bad all by yourself.
All about preferences and seeing what works for both of the partners. It depends on which season of your life you are in with. No secret formula in long lasting partnership as each day is a choice of two people to stay to it.
Quincy you have obviously thought this through very carefully and went back to correct what wasn't. Watching various videos I am really struck by how jaded by their mid twenties many gays have become. After 25 they may face a very lonely life where they never can be sure of anything. Each of my parents were married three times and things never worked out. Finally I said "Mom you've got to give up on MEN. They are NO GOOD for you, and YOU are NO GOOD FOR THEM!" "I KNOW" she sniffed but I LIKE MEN"!
When I came back from Vietnam there was a young couple in the apartment above me. She kept throwing it up to him what a NO GOOD he was. And he just kept taking it without a word. I hadn't come back from a war zone to LISTEN TO THIS! As a result I didn't marry until I was 53 and we've been happy for 25 years and will celebrate our Silver in August. A nice looking outgoing fellow I've known since he was a boy of 13 was never without being in a relationship with a girl. But he'd really fallen for a college sweetheart but they didn't want to settle in the same place so they called it quits. Immediately it seemed she moved in with another guy which he was shocked. Many years went by and then he'd heard about and called her up. She moved to be with him again and after several years I URGED HIM TO GET MARRIED which they did. I didn't especially care for her but said nothing. They were living in a highly economically and perhaps socially stressed environment. After nearly ten plus years it came as a bolt out of the blue when last November she wanted out. Many months later filled with feelings of failure he called me in tears to tell me as I hadn't known. Formal mutually agreed no fault divorce is now proceeding. Eventually I am sure he will find another perhaps a widow.
Back when my parents decided to engage a picture of them in December 1936 was so innocent. They HADN'T A CLUE. In those difficult economic and then war times you didn't know if you'd be around tomorrow. So marriage was the ONE THING you could count on. I'd like to THINK we've improved but I doubt it. Another kid I had known when he was a boy down the street entered into "partner" relationships after college. Then we he changed jobs moving to Arizona he met another boy about his age but was reluctant to disclose until I had evidence and put it to him. After many years and some urging from me they are finally married though he has never explicitly said so. Pictures of them together are happy and contented. So YES IT CAN but for the most part probably not because too many are emotionally disturbed.
Your contributions are so lucid and understanding to more than just minority community I would hope.
Your voice is soo relaxing.
I will say for me personally, I’ve been married to my Husband for almost 6 years. We didn’t it was possible, but we created our own little world with each other.
Congrats! Goals
I’ve never seen a successful open gay relationship and I’ve never been to a gay wedding. I have seen however many people get married and divorce, my thing is how does the relationship evolve past boyfriends ? It’s the fact that people can be comfortable benefiting from legal marriage but be open in stepping out on that for sexual gratification. It needs to be classified differently, the point of marriage is to close the relationship and lock it in not keep it open !
I don't know if i would say it's completely unrealistic, but absolutely unrealistic for most people especially at this point in time. I have my own hopes of finding a happy monogamous relationship, and i'm going to keep trying but it definitely is hard to find and keep. Especially in the tri state area lol
Having children is heteronormative, so is marriage.
GREAT topic , great conversation 😊👏
Sex is by nature about desire. Human desire is never contented with the present. When desire runs our lives loyalty has no place.
Loving someone may had started with sexual desire but in time if it evolves into loving that person you may see how monogamy becomes your call with that person.
I just turned 48 and have become even more verile as I've aged. It's just coming out in my marriage that I'd like to be open because my libido is crazy. Monogamy was great for the first ten years of our marriage, but since covid hit, I think my second adolescence is coming out and I just need much more sex than we're having. Wish me luck as i navigate this conversation. PS: age has no bearing on this...I know MANY married gay couples (even ones with children) who play together or have completely open relationships where they enjoy other men frequently AND play together frequently. Don't be surprised if your elementary school principal, real estate agent, or software developer friends are engaged with multiple partners in various capacities outside their marriage.
Gay, and proudly monogamous!
Its essential to have relationships. Although if we look at the word relationship and give it new meaning it can change our perspective. Relationships are not infinite. We have many of them that lead us into all kinds of directions that can (hopefully) lead to lessons. I'm all for long distance now (totally off the rail) but its a case of social monogamy. At this point in my life (44) its important to build trust with a partner. I've gone through enough relationships to understand that social norms to not apply. Especially after a pandemic and the human awakening. A Partner is the goal.
As you see by the comments, it's possible. I'm a die-hard romantic, and monogamous. I don't want to be in a relationship unless it's mutual and he wants to be with me as much as I want to be with him. Of course, relationships run their course. However long it lasts put into it like it'll last forever. Communication is the key in any relationship. Love comes easy with the right guy. I'm here if you need me.
my YT crush Quincy. Love the topic - I am going through this currently. Its hetero-norm, its not a requirement. We should be open to explore and love.
Monogamy is not the default for gay men because they have no societal pressure to settle down and raise a family. It can happen but it takes work! From my perspective, open relationships exist because some people think that a single person can’t satisfy all their demands so they include other people to compensate. But if you think about it, it’s very unrealistic to expect anyone to satisfy all your needs! The best you can wish for is someone who is compatible with you.
And when sum1 has 10 different partners, does that mean that the previous 9 couldnt do the job?
@@poohbita_88 Apparently! But by that point, if you are going through 9 relationships, maybe the problem is more on you than them
@@DiamondFlame45 scary. Methinks it is not about 1 person being unable to satisfy a need...it is probably more about having a palate of food and wanting to sample all or most items on the plate.
@@poohbita_88 If sex were food that would be called gluttony/self-indulgence. Homo Town Buffet or Pink Corral.
People who have relationships are just children in adult body’s. Here’s the thing about relationships they take work, strength, and maturity. Anytime I hear about open relationships, especially from the gay community and feel disgust. The whole gay rights movement on gay marriage was for gay marriage. The fact a lot of gay men have open relationships makes the fighting for gay marriage thing pointless, because people see that we never wanted it. That’s my opinion on open relationships. Let’s not forget despite the hiv epidemic in the 80s a lot of gay men still are responsible for STDs spreading, which has not gone down.