We could possible fight them depending on the person, a boxer has a punch that could knock a person out in 1 punch to the head. Since the grunt has such a small head the force would be over a smaller surface and there for will be damaged more. if a normal human that has no training in Hand to hand combat then they would most likely lose. So the answer is in the right conditions yes, for a normal human no.
i think that is a good comparison there not steroided up or have implants there just people and if there stronger than a marine its just because there in better shape
Which is why using video games as source material (unless it only exists as a video game) makes this entire video moot. Especially when the original source is a book which also already explained that in a fist fight humans lose every time and should never be attempted vs. grunts.
@@Delimon007 "normal" ought to be the standard benchmark. Obviously if you crank the damn difficulty level up as high as it will go (or as low) you're going to get different results. Fucking duh.
I like how people are talking as if you’ll engage a grunt in fisticuffs, the majority of them are feral, the way they talk and act cowardly in the halo games are hardly canon. In the book first contact. The first engagement with the covenant had a grunt literally rip apart the chest of a marine. And attempt to eat him.
You do realize the games trump the books canon wise right? The games arent "hardly canon" theyre completely canon and the only definite source of information.
That is wrong. The games are inconsistent. Weapons, enemies, etc encountered change based on difficulty. Weapon damage dealt and taken is entirely based on the difficulty. Movement speed is completely nerfed from what Spartans can actually move at for game play purposes. Same as jump height. Weapon recoil is added despite absolute control of the weapon when wearing armor and perfect aim due to integrated targeting systems. Damage from short falls exists despite spartans being able to survive much more extreme falls (even orbital.) The game is less cannon due to gameplay purposes - fun comes first. Even each game compared to its respective cutscenes shows these inconsistencies. The books have officially been declared canon, and as they are more 'consistent' than the games, we can conclude that the books are in fact 'more canon.' Even continuity is more consistent in the books. Some of the books have had re-releases, amending certain facts and scenes to create a more accurate canon to match newer book and game additions. Meanwhile, if you look at the game Halo Reach, you see that the games are deliberately lacking when it comes to continuity. Halo Reach changed the already established timeline set by the Fall of Reach and the other books, and even aspects of Halo CE. Trading accuracy and continuity for a more inciting plot befitting an action fps. Right from the beginning, the books have been considered canon. Don't forget, that Halo: Fall of Reach came out before Halo CE for the sole purpose of priming the first game with a background of canon.
i mean in 1 of the halo books the halo 3 shipmaster made a grunt a commander of the elite ranger squads, he could beat an elite in a 1v1 hand combat and juring the human covy war he actual beat a spartan up
according to his bio his strategy was waiting for elites to get tired of punching him and then pushing them to the ground and beating them into submission
what would your thoughts be on a halo spin off where u play as a brute or elite in the covenant? also what about as a marine during the first contact on harvest?
I think it would be cool, or do a throw back and it is before the war, when we are fighting insurrectionists. Or do the marine idea. Where we are a regular marine fighting against covenant.
"tho there is evidence in halo 4 and 5 of grunts living without a methane tank" Aka "there is evidence of 343 accidentally messing up all the alien designs in halo 4 and 5"
How the designs have to do with the gameplay? This comment is just an excuse to say "343 bad" for millionth time. Edit: and Halo 4 and 5 Grunts are a sub-species that is rougher than the Halo 1-Reach Grunts. It makes sense for them to survive without masks (this doesn't mean not wearing one wouldn't affect them).
With all the evidence piled up against you, you seem pretty quiet. Also if the tank or mask gets blown off chances are they can get in a full breath of the newly released methane before it is spread too much. AND, due to such rough condition (keep in mind they lived on a partially glassed planet before they stopped resisting and joined the covenant) they could probably hold their breath for a little bit. If the can survive for even a moment in space, they could probably hold their breath for at least a minute.
STORY TIME: in halo lore there is a grunt who comands a whole squad of elite rangers, survived multible battles and took on a spartan, at the end of this fight the spartan withdrawt because of his injuries. Grunts can definitly kick ass
that would be a brawl of the best :D but in generell if the grunts are decipline, fokused and want to fight, a normal grunt is as good as a normal human.
@@academus4978 Los huesos de los grunts son muy debiles debido a la falta de calcio es por eso que tiene exo esqueletos de queratina, como los cangrejos.
nitesh singh yeah you're right, in contact Harvest a grunt ripped a marines arm off, cut his stomach open a million times, and well, let's just say that the young private is no longer with us.
While the Methane tank would be a weakness, it brings up the question of whether you could actually puncture, damage, or remove it. It is armored, and I would guess that it's not really simple to just unscrew and take off. It is sealed so they can breathe ya know. Edit: Also, to add on, I had noticed many saying things like 'kick him in the knee' (haha he has spikes there bud, unless its Halo 4...), and that you could run circles around a Grunt. I would dispute the latter statement, Grunts seem to turn/pivot just fine, and Halopedia mentions they can move quadrupedally as well. Furthermore, going for the head might work if he isn't able to pull you off of 'em or use his rather large forearms to block a punch or kick.
To provide some extra info there was a grunt named Yull who was (technically) the first casualty on the Covenant side of the war. He killed the first UNSC casualty of the war, a Harvest Militiaman named Osmo in a attack that involved biting and clawing and eventually killing him by ripping open his stomach. Unfortunately for Yull, he got his gas mask ripped off him by Tartarus and was thrown in a whirlpool. Here are links: halo.wikia.com/wiki/Yull halo.wikia.com/wiki/Osmo
TheAtlasSupreme I read about that to. A fight with a grunt would be like a man fighting a savage wolf. The man would have intelligence and strength and the grunt would have claws and fangs.
Going to be the voice of dissent here and say that you could win if you took stock of advantages. The main one that comes to mind is the huge difference in reach. You can jab and kick at a grunt all you want and there's not much it can do if you keep your distance. They clearly don't have much range of motion in their limbs and we can run circles around them, so frankly I doubt they would be very hard to fight. They're also flat footed from what I can tell, which brings up a whole host of new disadvantages for them. They just aren't maneuverable, and a few good kicks to the face must be similar to a spartan whack, which probably overkills them anyway. There are far too many unknowns for this to be cut and dry, but don't count out humans. We may be smart but we still had to survive before we had technology, and the world is a brutal place.
Jabbing and kicking would probably not work too well, if they got ahold of your arm or leg they could simply crush it with the strength in their Popeye forearms. Then you're a sitting duck.
You sir need to go actually read the book series to see that this is false and on top of being false you are punching bone so your attacks would never work. Imagine trying to punch and kick an alligator assuming that it doesn't attack back and see how useless that is.
Luke you forgot Warzone, in Warzone the marines actually melee, if you appear with a camo very fast in front of them they will kick you, and then your shields go down like a 1/5, is easier to do in warzone Assault
Gizmo Ninja yeah go test it. I've been killed many times due to marines seeming to have better senses then player spartans. Marines chew you up in warzone if you give them the chancr.
It’s Huntin Season Gamers Beware not air. They don't breath oxygen. They breath methane. Their planet is a methane rich planet unlike our oxygen rich planet. So just knock the mask off their face. A grunt can't fight if it's choking on Oxygen.
no? in Halo: ODST you play as an Orbital Drop Shock Trooper, but yes they are humans ( granted the best humans we have without augmentations ) so it works as an example.
If the human fighting the grunt is tall and knows martial arts that utilize more kicks than punches (or just knows how to kick), the human could just maintain distance and easily kick the crap out of the grunt's head. It will most certainly do some damage and make it even harder for the grunt to fight since he is constantly being kicked in the head and the human would be out of reach.
Grunts don't look like they have exoskeletons though, he was straight up wrong in the video. What they do have is leathery skin that looks like rhino hide or something. But lets pretend they do have an exoskeleton; how tough exactly do you think that would be? Chitin is lighter and more fragile than mineral rich bones, but its more flexible and heals faster. This flexible nature is a double edged sword; against moderate impact wounds, chitin holds up really well, but once you pass a certain threshold of force where you bend it to the point where you're crushing the internal organs, its not so great anymore. Bone cracking in these cases actually takes up a lot of energy which would otherwise be transferred to your squishy internal organs. But I think its the other part that's important; chitin is more brittle than bone pound for pound. Any heavyweight boxer punches with more than enough force to break bone, especially when its not protected by muscle, so I figure most humans who have undergone strength training (soldiers, martial artists, athletes) should be able to shatter chitian with a punch, and a reasonably strong person could do it with a kick if they landed it correctly. Knuckle bones arn't feeble unless you are; fists are the natural weapon that humans evolved to use; other primates can't make fists properly. A dense club of bone at the end of an arm isn't something to mess around with, and you've got multiple striking surfaces if you don't know how to throw a straight punch. Also, he said kicks. I really don't see grunts taking boots to the head very well. Ultimately I don't think it would be an easy fight for the average person, but if you can kick and maintain distance, beating a grunt should certainly be doable.
read some lore grunts are not slow at all..maneuverable sort of. They do have an exoskeleton pretty sure the books mentioned it somewhere. And Rhino Hide? You punched a rhino before mate? Me neither rhino hide is fucking tough I doubt a well trained human hitting with what 3000lbs of force would do much at all.
Yeah people need to stop using this example. The grunt was a fanatical ultra and he caught the marine off guard during a peace negotiations meeting and ruined Tartarus's plan. Even the covenant was caught off surprise by the attack and Tartarus killed that grunt. If people are gonna go out of game, the in halo legends an odst easily snaps a grunts neck.
@@munguntulga Since when can a human rip apart another human limb by limb? Only animals are capable of doing that. Therefore, the grunts are hella strong.
Theres also stolt. A grunt who has been know to best some elites. Granted he is stated to be a bit larger than a normal grunt, but still. Theres also on the new grunts in halo infinite, briglard and bipbap, who are pretty dangerous according to their bio in the game.
Not Justin I don’t think so because the games like some movies are not very accurate at recreating the books so they might be stronger and more feral than we thought
Plus we would use our one advantage of speed like it was all we ever knew. Then you have adrenaline. Which if you look grunts don't have adrenaline. A human would win the fight because the second they were hit they would be pushed back to their survival instincts. They would be stronger due to adrenaline. Then they would be faster. Basically for anyone who has watched at least 1 fight of Dragon Ball Z or any anime thing where someone moves too fast for you to see them. We would move like that to grunts. Plus the two final things are 1: people do whatever it takes to survive, so we would probably say something like "behind you a spartan" and then break their neck. Or we would kick the legs they have. They waddle for fucks sake.
Maverick56 Grunts are tough bastards, man. I don't remember which book it was, but in one of the halo books, there was a grunt who had done labor work his entire life and could toss his friends around like ragdolls. speed doesn't count for crap if you have enough mass, but grunts are still not really that massive
Funfact: You can measure a "melee" of a marine in halo 4 on normal one hit takes your entire shield or kills you instantly making them as strong as spartan II or eaven as hunters and knights. Funfact2: Spartan IV melee deals no damege.
Their anatomy shows that they can reach you, in the case of a choke hold, I don't know about you but I don't want to be punched in the face by mister forearms over here
Well seeing that they are developed for very hilly and uneven terrain where long arms would be needed to move around your 250 pounds of mass(these things don't seem to get their weight from fat) I wouldn't think of these things as very weak. It's basically the same stature and weight of a female gorilla, though I agree a gorilla probably would win against a grunt; We humans would get ABSOLUTELY mauled if it used its claws and at least forearm strength to basically squish us in its hands.
best way I see it, they have great upper body strength, butt poor lower body strength and even poorer balance with their waddling and poo agility, so my advise is to just "THIS IS SPARTA" kick him in the chest, keep punching or kicking him to keep him down and nattily, avoid been punched yourself, they have a lot of strength but no fences
All UNSC soldiers have augments. Marines have a few augments. ODSTs have quite a bit but that's because of how most enter the battlefield but none have anywhere close to the augments of a Spartan.
If grunts are so much stronger than us, why does the Flood use human combat forms whenever possible but doesn't use grunt combat forms very often (if at all)
Well, they originally intended for Carrier forms to be infected grunts. Yeah I know there are grunt and even jackal combat forms, but they are rarer, which implies that the Flood sees humans as more appropriate combat forms, probably because the jackals and grunts are just on average weaker. That's my whole point.
I can't believe what I'm seeing in these comments, I mean lets be realistic here. An 250 pound animal(basically the same weight as a female gorilla) capable of lifting it's own body weight without heavy exertion(since they're basically built for climbing) definitely has the capacity to tear apart a human. All this talk about reach and agility doesn't mean much against an animal that can probably take at least one hit to the face before grabbing you and killing you. This isn't TV where a person is gonna be doing flips while the grunt just sits there waiting to get punched. Pitting a grunt against anyone is like pitting a Juvenile Gorilla against a person, no matter how strong or skilled they are, they're fucked.
Thomas Harrod and you clearly don't get it. Grunts are slow. They wobble, and they breath methane fed to them from the tanks in their backs. Size, weight, and strength don't mean shit if you can't get a hold of your opponent or land a hit. There is a reason why the covenant use them as bullet sponges. Grunts are shitty at fighting.
Raging Xans yet again I'm not some little bitch that dosnt know how to fight like you are. I know the grunts weaknesses and I would use that to my advantage. A grunt is big and bulky. they can not do shit once someone is behind them. That grunt would get is ass handed to it in a one on one with me. Unlike who would be stupid as fuck and die in no time fast.
christos kostas boy. They rip up marine armor like tin cans and have in the books torn a human limb from limb. Then his Khan had to use four horses to do that shit.
If I had to fight a grunt without weapons, I would literally just keep kicking it in the jaw so it stays as far as possible and maybe knock it out in the process if a good kick lands.
I'm not sure if this is canon but look type on youtube and watch halo evelotions midnight in the midhotioan it shows a NORMAL marine one punching a grunt
He was a normal human but he took drugs before he left the medbay for the second time and was given drugs that Insurgents used to take that would be used to take on a spartan however the AI said that the insurgents normally died before they got close to a spartan but they destroyed anything in their path. ( i am starting to think i am watching the wrong things that you guys are but is it an anime and is the guy name Baird? or something like that? :P )
In the latest novels it reveals that while it IS a giant grunt, their forms can full on stand there and take an Elite wailing on them. So yeah, hand to hand, even a Jiralhanae would have a hard time.
an average grunt could be beaten by anyone with a decent grasp of actual combat. they are both small, and slow. the worst possible combination of things to be in a fight. kick their conveniently low foreheads to disorient, and keep your distance from theose claws, sweep their legs and drop them for a good 5 seconds while they struggle agaisnt their own body weight and armor, mess up their knees by crushing the back of their joints with your heel, and curbstomp their heads until they stop moving. easy.
I'm super late to the party but it's important to note that there's a cutscene/animation somewhere of a grunt on Balaho climbing up a rock wall on all fours like it's nothing. The implication is that their legs are weak af but their arms are actually pretty strong. If a grunt weighs 250 pounds and can free climb a rock wall using mainly just its arms to actually pull itself up, that means each arm can at LEAST support its weight. That plus the exoskeleton means a pretty beefy punch.
Yes you can measure a human vs. grunt fistfight. You are extremely unlikely to see it, but on 'Crow's Nest', you can possibly see the Marines kick Grunts in the hanger bay. I suppose you can just wait to see how many kicks it takes to kill a Grunt.
yes punch into the hunters core rip out its queen kill her and watch the rest of the colony rip itself apart trying to elect a new queen repeat until the hunter is dead.
+GawsHawg still shows that they can be killed in hand to hand. if you were to be faster than the grunt then it would be easy to use all your weight and momentum to knock the grunt down, and snap it's neck.
Not even the strongest human in the real world would stand a chance against a grunt. In the game they seem so weak cause your character is so powerful. You're playing as a spartan Lol. The average human can't even fight a normal dog.
When you play as an odst, you're using your gun to bash them, not your fist. And a few times to kill isnt the equivalent to a one hit kill. On heroic difficulty, which is consider to be "the real way to play halo", it takes a few hits to kill a grunt with melee while playing as chief. Now imagine if that was you fighting a grunt? If it takes a 7 foot tall, muscular, military trained super soldier a few meleee hits WITH THEIR GUN and NOT their fist; how the fuck do any of you expect to stand a chance in a 1v1 fist fight?
NCIS taught be the difference between fighting like MMA, boxing etc i.e. SPORTS and actual hand to hand combat i.e. trying to kill someone. An MMA fighter would obviously take down someone who isn't trained, but people in the SEALS and SAS etc would put any sports fighter down permanently pretty quickly... point is, its not really relevant to call on an MMA fighter, wrestler whatever for their thoughts on this kind of combat.
I hate to break it to you, but that's just not true. Soldiers have a slight advantage because they are taught to not fight fair (i.e. They will go for the throat punch, eye gouge, break fingers, etc) but other then that, a trained professional fighter would generally beat up most soldiers. I believe there is an ex special forces guy that is a professional MMA fighter right now, and he's pretty good, but it's not like he's the best ever. Soldiers are trained to function in a unit and with weapons. Hand to hand isn't a priority for them. It's more important to teach them how to move in formation, how to storm a house, how to handle an ambush, etc then it is to teach every individual soldier how to fist fight.
not that a trained soldier isn't going to maybe be pretty good in a life or death fist fight, (obviously more than other people who are not trained soldiers or prepared to be involved in a life or death altercation) but you're pitting them against someone who specifically specializes in physical fist fighting. a trained martial artist is going to know more about grappling and striking than say, someone who's primary means of doing any type of combat is with a gun. if it were a gunfight, then the soldier would obviously win most likely just off the basis of experience with their respective tools. but generally no soldier from any training background is gonna be putting down somebody with six years of muay thai, bjj, wrestling, or mma experience. it's just not practical. if fist fighting in war were more useful, every soldier would be doing it more.
It always gets on my nerves when people say “ I could take on a trained fighter because I fight dirty” , nothing is stopping the mma fighter from fighting dirty in a street fight, the rules in a cage fight are to protect the less experienced fighter and you couldn’t beat them in the ring with rules that protect YOU, how do you expect to win when there are no rules?, I don’t see why people think that there’s some magic seal keeping mma fighters from going for the groin or gouging eyes, if anything they’d be better at fighting dirty because they’re stronger and faster
find something to use . those of us who know how to fight. know that there's always a weapon laying around. Btw in reality solid snake isn't in this theoretical fight. So one could likely keep a weapon hidden until the fight start's .
Hi there martial artist here I believe the key to fighting a grunt is using it's seemingly advantageous features against it. Grunts have exoskeletons and while that can be seen as a massive boon it also serves as it's greatest weakness. Take the arms for example, if you were to counter a wide swing from a grunt by getting it into an armbar you'd be able to snap the arm more easily than a humans inner skeletal arm and it would do significantly more damage to the grunt. However this also brings up one of the grunts biggest advantages which are the length of it's arms. Reach is aajor factor in hand to hand combat and grunts have very long reach so keeping this in mind is integral to fighting a grunt. Making liberal use of the fact that they have short stubby legs and less mobility is probably our biggest advantage in unarmed combat, this paired with the fact that humans have sweat glands and a naturally incredible endurance and aren't limited to a apparatus to breathe means outlasting a grunt opponent would be easy, they would tire long before a human if tasked with long periods of physical exertion. In summary my personal strategy would be to remain passive an focus on staying just out of arms reach of the grunt, baiting out strikes you can Dodge (a grunts arms don't look suited towards any kind of strikes that aren't easily broadcast to an opponent.) Wear out your opponent in this way until they seem to slow and catch a strike by stepping behind into an armbar, brake the arm and then break the neck. Simple swift and easy. If faced with multiple unarmed grunts just jog away keeping a slow pace as to let them follow and then take them out one by one. An arm break should be enough to incapacitate a foe and leave you time to deal with others.
You put a lot of effort into this and it's a good video, but you really shouldn't rely on the games for stuff like figuring out how strong they can punch: game mechanics aren't canon since they have to be balanced around gameplay. Use the novels as sources for that sort of info.
Novels suffer from Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale, as in there's stuff that's written just because it sounds cool, but in practice it would be ridiculous, such as armored spartan weighing a ton, which would mean that chief couldn't walk on any sort of natural ground without sinking into it, and he can forget about using ladders or vehicles, or really anything that's not forerunner tech magic.
I feel like you'd just need to reach for the neck... You see spartans snapping necks all the time in gameplay and I believe a few marines did the same thing in the books... Plus, I saw a marine take out a grunt in one kick in Halo 3.
In the martial arts that I’ve done, a huge part of fighting efficiently is to use weaknesses in the body. Like if you punch someone in the shoulder, there won’t be an effect, but if you kick the knee at the right angle the whole leg becomes unusable. Pressure points can play a role too, and because we don’t know the joint structure and internal anatomy of a grunt it is hard to say what you could really do in a fight.
Daniel Gonzalez the mask man. It's connected to the methane tanks on their backs. They don't breath oxygen. Oxygen is pretty much poisonous to them. Rip or kick that off and they are screwed. You can't fight if your choking.
I've had boxing and judo experience I can say this: 1) they are shorter than you and heavier so theirs movements are limited you can easily get to a short range fight 2) they arm are long and heavy therefore they will not punch but most likely slap you ( it will be bone crushing considering one arm will likely weight 30 kg or more) 3) at short range you can easily trow your elbow in their faces considering how an average male is about 20 cm taller. 4) if the fight goes on the ground the only real treat is him getting on you being that heavy is hard to push him away and he could bite your neck killing you There fore the best strategy is getting close to attack him with an elbow or a punch in the head, using your superior mobility to elude his slow yet powerful attack and at all cost avoid ground fight. So jump in attack and jump out might do the trick
If the grunts are somewhat built like humans. That would mean their eyes could be connected to their brain. And if you were to stick your fingers in another human's eye sockets you can kill them. So if grants are made the same way as humans are in that regard. All you would have to do is stick both of your thumbs in its eyes and you would kill it. And even if it doesn't kill it that will give you the saphir advantage
In Halo 4 in the mission where you have to get onto the pelican to take down those magnetic pillars you can actually fight the entire subhanger of marines and spartans.
Nah there are many instances where marines reck grunts. Like in halo legends an ODST snapped a grunt's neck fairly easy. With lighter gravity their bones are far less dense than humans and the muscle physiology is weaker much like how humans are compared to elites. The marine that got clawed to death was caught off guard, even a medium sized dog can maul a human to death if caught by surprise. 250 pounds isnt that impressive considering a human can grapple and hold animals twice their body weight within 400-500 pounds. Grunts having unusually large forearms is also irrelevant, they have bigger forerams than elites but that doesn't make then stronger than elites right?
Grunts look painful to punch and you would most definitely break your hands. They look very too heavy so if you get them off balance they will probably fall right over then you could just curb stomp it
a reasonably in shape human should easily be able to take a grunt in hand to hand because they're clumsy and slow. An average 21st century human, wouldn't be able to
They might be clumsy and slow, but boy are they strong. Imagine you are a river, and the grunt is a rock. You might be fast and agile, but the grunt is unreasonably tough and strong for its size, and would take ages to wear it down. Plus, grunts are built for climbing mountains with ease, so if there's anything to climb nearby, they will use it to gain advantages.
Daniel Martinez Don't you mean a U.S man. Because you are saying that the average man isn't in good shape (which is kinda true,specially for the U.S) but with the right exercise one can be in good shape,which can give subtle advantages over a grunt,but good shape is NOT ENOUGH to beat one though
I dont think the speed of a grunt was measured at all. Humans were built to run long distances, the max speed a human can run is 15 miles an hour, the max a grunt can run is severely less than that. All you would have to do to fight a grunt would be to out pace it, stay out of its reach and try to run around to its back. Grunts are fat and slow, use your human speed and agility against them.
Commander Clear That's what I thought off. The Halo 5 damage system only makes grunts do that much damage because they wouldn't be much of a threat if they did much less damage.
A grunts reach is probably not good so you could likely hammer them before they even hit you. Also they are slow so you could easily get behind them and possibly choke them out.
LetsPlayGaming screw trying to choke them out. That tank on their backs is full of methane and it runs to their mask. They don't breath oxygen the breath methane. So just rip that mask off them. It's easier and more effective. They will choke on the oxygen rich air.
In Halo 2, sometimes you will see Marines sneak up to a grunt and kill it in one melee. If the grunt is facing the Marine then it depends on how much health it has, like if its a grunt minor or is low on health.
A better question would be "could you beat a Silverback gorilla?" I think an average Silverback is physically similar to an average grunt. However Silverbacks could actually be quite a bit stronger than grunts (they're taller and more aggressive), so being able to beat one might actually mean you can very likely also beat a grunt.
You're right, the UNSC forces will attack you, but GameCheat (in one of his AI battles), said that Marines and Spartans have a melee animation, but it doesn't actually do any damage. Not sure how true that is though, never tried it myself.
If it comes to grappling, we'd win. Go for a good choke and you're golden. If it came down to striking, hope they go down with some strikes to the head and neck. I guess you'd need to go with an out boxer style. They're slow and strong. It comes down to hitting without getting hit.
the duck commander There is a video on RUclips of African hunters chasing down an elk. Yes, the elk was faster, but due to our endurance the elk eventually got tired.
we also can survive injuries way better then most animals and we don't automatically die in different environments when the temperature slightly changes. also as mentioned we have the best endurance were made to go in or out of any of any environment on the planet. where the bounty hunters of the animal kingdom our the human motto should be "you can run but you'll just die tired".
the duck commander and we're not really weak I seen people fight bears hand to hand and humans have adrenaline which kicks in our primal instinct of survival
Reminding everyone that on Heroic (The canon difficulty of Halo) a grunt can be melee in the face by MC and live. None of us have even close to the striking power of MC and grunts can tank that. We would so lose.
The issue with assuming their movement abilities based on appearance is that we already have Lore and gameplay to show what they're capable of. Grunts can fling a plasma grenade a pretty sizeable distance, (a quarter the distance that chief can throw it is still QUITE far.) Grunts can one hand fuel rod cannons, and it's canon that they could climb the gravity scarred cliffs of ballaho as part of daily life. The only way you could kill a grunt in melee combat is by careful preparation and planning to deal with their attacks, because their physical armament is very deadly. This is made worse by the fact that the grunts are confirmed in Halo 5 to have extremely fast neural growth and learning ability. The reason grunts act dumb in the Halo games is because most of them are probably somewhere around five years old, and not educated in any way other than rank, equipment, and orders. If a grunt was given the time and purpose of beating you in melee combat, we'll say both the human and the grunt get one year to train and study for the fight, then the grunt would absolutely kick your ass like it was nothing. Grunt brains work faster, meaning you're in slow motion. Grunt brains learn faster, meaning that you got a year and he got a year and a half to train. The unggoy reproductive cycle dictates extremely fast body growth, meaning that your year's worth of weightlifting and shadowboxing would be the same amount of work as his first eight months. Bottom line is, the grunts we fight in Halo are probably child soldiers who are given armor and a gun as soon as they're able to carry them. A trained, prepared grunt might end up being like Yapyap the DESTROYER, and an army of well-trained, physically trained grunts might be too difficult to defeat. Picture the Orks from Warhammer, but trade some physical stats for extreme intelligence, and you've got a grunt that could kill two of you in a fistfight. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk. God bless.
yes you would. use your superior reach and speed. frontkick to the face, sweeping kick to their laughably inferior legs, turning their body weight into a weapon against them, as they will be slow to get up. especially as your are now driving your heel into the inside of their knees, and curbstomping their heads into the ground.
In Halo 3, you can measure humans' melee strength in the command center by killing all Marines and Johnson, then quickly running up to the technicians before Johnson is revived. It's a tiny amount of damage. That one you recorded didn't connect In Halo 4, your allies will betray you in the hangar, but I haven't noticed them using melee. It's a tough fight, and a good challenge, so I'm surprised you didn't know about this Also remember difficulties affect damage tables. This wasn't very well tested
Dude, John Cena is a threat to the covenant all by himself. Hell, his cloak is better than some elites, and what can you do whan you're 100% invisible all the time?
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We could possible fight them depending on the person, a boxer has a punch that could knock a person out in 1 punch to the head. Since the grunt has such a small head the force would be over a smaller surface and there for will be damaged more. if a normal human that has no training in Hand to hand combat then they would most likely lose. So the answer is in the right conditions yes, for a normal human no.
or to solve this entire question: kick those stubby ass knees in
Dude please do a hunter video
a hunter would kill u
You could have tested “normal” human melee strength against a grunt via halo 3: ODST
I wanted to study and here i am, watching a tutorial on how to defeat a fictional alien in hand to hand combat
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Maybe they should make a game where you play as a marine
* cough * ODST * cough *
odst is far past a normal marine it would be a bad comparison
i think that is a good comparison there not steroided up or have implants there just people and if there stronger than a marine its just because there in better shape
ODSTs are closer to marines than spartans are
@@Unseen-ec2rp agreed they just have more specialized training. They're the green berets of the halo world
da fauq you talkn bout
It's easy to beat a large group of Grunts on Easy, Normal, and Heroic. But pit me against a bunch of Grunts on Legendary..... I'm toast
Which is why using video games as source material (unless it only exists as a video game) makes this entire video moot. Especially when the original source is a book which also already explained that in a fist fight humans lose every time and should never be attempted vs. grunts.
Well that's why the Covenant runs the damn galaxy and we humans are just doing our own thing.
Rogue me and the grunts May have a tea party if there sword grunts and cool they look so huggable
Especially on reach.
@@Delimon007 "normal" ought to be the standard benchmark. Obviously if you crank the damn difficulty level up as high as it will go (or as low) you're going to get different results. Fucking duh.
the real question here is why the heck would you use a Spartan laser to kill a Grunt xD
Lost ODST I asked the same question.
Lost ODST it made me cringe very time
he had unlimited ammo
Lost ODST because why not MERICA
Because killing grunts with normal weapons becomes a little mundane after the millionth one.
I don't know why but when you said nuking a gorilla made me laugh so much.
Rip dk
!Harambe!
I like how people are talking as if you’ll engage a grunt in fisticuffs, the majority of them are feral, the way they talk and act cowardly in the halo games are hardly canon. In the book first contact. The first engagement with the covenant had a grunt literally rip apart the chest of a marine. And attempt to eat him.
Yeah they would fuck you up. Look at the size of their frigging forearms. Their grip strength must be like crabs
You do realize the games trump the books canon wise right? The games arent "hardly canon" theyre completely canon and the only definite source of information.
That is wrong. The games are inconsistent. Weapons, enemies, etc encountered change based on difficulty. Weapon damage dealt and taken is entirely based on the difficulty. Movement speed is completely nerfed from what Spartans can actually move at for game play purposes. Same as jump height. Weapon recoil is added despite absolute control of the weapon when wearing armor and perfect aim due to integrated targeting systems. Damage from short falls exists despite spartans being able to survive much more extreme falls (even orbital.) The game is less cannon due to gameplay purposes - fun comes first. Even each game compared to its respective cutscenes shows these inconsistencies. The books have officially been declared canon, and as they are more 'consistent' than the games, we can conclude that the books are in fact 'more canon.'
Even continuity is more consistent in the books. Some of the books have had re-releases, amending certain facts and scenes to create a more accurate canon to match newer book and game additions. Meanwhile, if you look at the game Halo Reach, you see that the games are deliberately lacking when it comes to continuity. Halo Reach changed the already established timeline set by the Fall of Reach and the other books, and even aspects of Halo CE. Trading accuracy and continuity for a more inciting plot befitting an action fps.
Right from the beginning, the books have been considered canon. Don't forget, that Halo: Fall of Reach came out before Halo CE for the sole purpose of priming the first game with a background of canon.
The part of your comment about the grunt ripping the Marine's chest open and eating him made me burst out laughing!
Is that book canon? Was it accepted by Bungie or?
would be easy to outrun it
Red Good point, that would certainly be my strategy.
but it has plasma weapons we dont have any sort of protection
but it has plasma weapons we dont have any sort of protection
Midnight the cat we are talking about hand to hand combat. so no weapons are allowed
i know but claws. we have nothing
i mean in 1 of the halo books the halo 3 shipmaster made a grunt a commander of the elite ranger squads, he could beat an elite in a 1v1 hand combat and juring the human covy war he actual beat a spartan up
In the book shadow is intent. The grunts name was stolt i think
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Yeah, we wouldn't be able to beat that grunt, he has to be the strongest grunt to ever live.
He was "The Mountain" of Grunts
according to his bio his strategy was waiting for elites to get tired of punching him and then pushing them to the ground and beating them into submission
Now please explain the science behind the grunt birthday party skull and how confetti is formed inside them when they respirate methane 🤔
Joshua Gamez plz.
Joshua Gamez, go to MatPat
Joshua Gamez Its called having fun
Joshua Gamez its not realistic its just a skull to make it fun
Scorch no shit Sherlock
what would your thoughts be on a halo spin off where u play as a brute or elite in the covenant?
also what about as a marine during the first contact on harvest?
Well you do play as the Arbiter in Halo 2
and I loved those parts but I don't think u ever fought any humans I want to see the average covenant soldier view of humanity
flabySPARTAN228 You fought humans on "The Icon" mission or "sacred icon" I forgot what it was called
no
I think it would be cool, or do a throw back and it is before the war, when we are fighting insurrectionists. Or do the marine idea. Where we are a regular marine fighting against covenant.
"tho there is evidence in halo 4 and 5 of grunts living without a methane tank"
Aka "there is evidence of 343 accidentally messing up all the alien designs in halo 4 and 5"
sonny_69 they could probably last a while without it but then die later on
How the designs have to do with the gameplay? This comment is just an excuse to say "343 bad" for millionth time.
Edit: and Halo 4 and 5 Grunts are a sub-species that is rougher than the Halo 1-Reach Grunts. It makes sense for them to survive without masks (this doesn't mean not wearing one wouldn't affect them).
Isaiah Navarro lion
With all the evidence piled up against you, you seem pretty quiet. Also if the tank or mask gets blown off chances are they can get in a full breath of the newly released methane before it is spread too much. AND, due to such rough condition (keep in mind they lived on a partially glassed planet before they stopped resisting and joined the covenant) they could probably hold their breath for a little bit. If the can survive for even a moment in space, they could probably hold their breath for at least a minute.
More accurately, 343 messes up everything they touch
STORY TIME:
in halo lore there is a grunt who comands a whole squad of elite rangers, survived multible battles and took on a spartan, at the end of this fight the spartan withdrawt because of his injuries.
Grunts can definitly kick ass
REINER ZUFALL That's just one grunt though if we were to put him against our most skilled fighter he would probably lose anyways
that would be a brawl of the best :D but in generell if the grunts are decipline, fokused and want to fight, a normal grunt is as good as a normal human.
davy keizer if we put him against our most skilled fighter which isn't enhanced because that's cheating he would kill them. His names stolt btw
Link? I want to read about them
The most skilled fighter is a spartan...
It's sad to think a grunt can be taller than me😭😭😭
@NoNameLol im 14 and im almost 6ft... Hmm
@@Bevsworld04 elites are 7 ft tall and weigh 390 lbs
@@zachpadilla8538 we are not taking 'bout elites...
@@zachpadilla8538 I was referring to the first comment
@@Bevsworld04 o mb
In Halo Legends, an ODST snaps a grunt neck fairly easily.
I havent seen that sence
Anime...
The grunt bones are weak due the lack of calcium, that's why they had a exo kearatine skeleton.
I'm not joking.
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Ahora en español.
@@academus4978 Los huesos de los grunts son muy debiles debido a la falta de calcio es por eso que tiene exo esqueletos de queratina, como los cangrejos.
In the books one ripped a mans arm off.
nitesh singh
I hear they taste like lobster.
That was a roid grunt that hits up the the gym everyday.
nitesh singh yeah you're right, in contact Harvest a grunt ripped a marines arm off, cut his stomach open a million times, and well, let's just say that the young private is no longer with us.
Who fucking cares what the best grunt can do
In Halo 4, marines will attack chief in that giant hanger.
I got murked so many times playing with my brother when he's messing with them
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Yup I used to fight the marines with a friend in splitscreen all the time in that hangar
Funny thing, there was this one marine that kept respawning... it looked like johnson :(
While the Methane tank would be a weakness, it brings up the question of whether you could actually puncture, damage, or remove it. It is armored, and I would guess that it's not really simple to just unscrew and take off. It is sealed so they can breathe ya know.
Edit: Also, to add on, I had noticed many saying things like 'kick him in the knee' (haha he has spikes there bud, unless its Halo 4...), and that you could run circles around a Grunt. I would dispute the latter statement, Grunts seem to turn/pivot just fine, and Halopedia mentions they can move quadrupedally as well. Furthermore, going for the head might work if he isn't able to pull you off of 'em or use his rather large forearms to block a punch or kick.
To provide some extra info there was a grunt named Yull who was (technically) the first casualty on the Covenant side of the war. He killed the first UNSC casualty of the war, a Harvest Militiaman named Osmo in a attack that involved biting and clawing and eventually killing him by ripping open his stomach. Unfortunately for Yull, he got his gas mask ripped off him by Tartarus and was thrown in a whirlpool. Here are links:
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Yull
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Osmo
TheAtlasSupreme it's good to see someone in this comment section who reads the books
Zachary Rivera I as well read the books
TheAtlasSupreme I read about that to. A fight with a grunt would be like a man fighting a savage wolf. The man would have intelligence and strength and the grunt would have claws and fangs.
I also remember in Contact Harvest that a grunt killed a human by throwing a a small rock at his head so hard that it went into his brain.
Soul.Charisma it's a shame grunts would actually have strength over humans too.....
Oh man! Please make this a series! My man this is so cool :DDD
Hunters? Anyone?
X CUBE Gaming if it was hunters we may as well just kill ourselves😂
Lewis Vilbro
Slice dem up sushi style and use them as baits while fishing? :7
Thats if any fish dares to touch them ;)
EclecticFlux
Ive been enjoying Lukes videos a lot more now that he has expanded from only doing tutorials:)
Fighting a single flood infection form??
Yes. You pull out your concealed AR-15 Carbine like a good American and you put a double tap in between the eyes
INSANE_BANANA concealed AR-15? Man you must be like what 10? Those are too big to conceal unless in in a vehicle and it's behind the seat.
@@chaseviking5096 r/whoosh
Pull out a concealed M134 and kill them with a single well placed shot.
@@captainrumia2607 No the AT mortar is the only true concealed carry
Chase Viking too small of a round any way!! I would carry something like a 10mm or a .357 mag for the penetration
Going to be the voice of dissent here and say that you could win if you took stock of advantages. The main one that comes to mind is the huge difference in reach. You can jab and kick at a grunt all you want and there's not much it can do if you keep your distance. They clearly don't have much range of motion in their limbs and we can run circles around them, so frankly I doubt they would be very hard to fight. They're also flat footed from what I can tell, which brings up a whole host of new disadvantages for them. They just aren't maneuverable, and a few good kicks to the face must be similar to a spartan whack, which probably overkills them anyway.
There are far too many unknowns for this to be cut and dry, but don't count out humans. We may be smart but we still had to survive before we had technology, and the world is a brutal place.
Jabbing and kicking would probably not work too well, if they got ahold of your arm or leg they could simply crush it with the strength in their Popeye forearms. Then you're a sitting duck.
Also sure we survived Earth's brutal nature but the grunts planet sounds pretty damn terrible
it would be easy enough to get behind one and bring it off balance. find the first best stick or pointy object and poke its eyes out when its down.
You sir need to go actually read the book series to see that this is false and on top of being false you are punching bone so your attacks would never work. Imagine trying to punch and kick an alligator assuming that it doesn't attack back and see how useless that is.
They are very top-heavy though. You could use that to your advantage.
Luke you forgot Warzone, in Warzone the marines actually melee, if you appear with a camo very fast in front of them they will kick you, and then your shields go down like a 1/5, is easier to do in warzone Assault
never heard of that
Derian Efrain True!
Gizmo Ninja yeah go test it. I've been killed many times due to marines seeming to have better senses then player spartans. Marines chew you up in warzone if you give them the chancr.
ah ok
The gameplay and especially when it comes unusual things like these is the worst source to determine what's canon
I would end up like grif...
He got kicked in the nutz
Skoot Ski Tucker did it..
Bow chicka bow wow
My name is Micheal J. Caboose, and I hate taxes!
TUCKER DID IT
I would try get a cone to protect me
You can probably fuck up a grunt if you got a left hand like Conor Mcgregor
now how did that left hand work out for him :)
He's 21-3 in his sport with 18 knockouts. Seems like it's working amazingly for him
Matteo Collins conor hits hard but grunts are a bit fucking hard
Just dont put a boxing glove over that left hand 😬
grunt wins by rnc second round
Thumbs up this comment if you want a jackal one.
Luke TheNotable please
Yes
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Luke TheNotable how strong is a brute also I know this is out of the question but did the humans of old have Spartans as well?
Sure. Fighting large alien chickens without a shield and a weapon might be an easier than fighting a grunt.
You could just walk away from it until it ran out of air or got tired then beat the shit out of it
It’s Huntin Season Gamers Beware not air. They don't breath oxygen. They breath methane. Their planet is a methane rich planet unlike our oxygen rich planet. So just knock the mask off their face. A grunt can't fight if it's choking on Oxygen.
You could have used ODST co-op to check humans
I think that's part of what other commenters are referring to when they say the games don't really set canon in a consistent manner.
couldn't he just retest the grunt on odst as well?
In Halo odst you play as a marine so use that to determine melee power..
no? in Halo: ODST you play as an Orbital Drop Shock Trooper, but yes they are humans ( granted the best humans we have without augmentations ) so it works as an example.
still think a fit individual could kick a grunts face in...lol
Fergil The Fox ODSTs are still Marines. They are the special ops of the UNSC Marine Corps.
rellik 0511 you can one hit a grunt as an odst. So they are fairly weak
reckless cowboi ODSTs can be selected from any branch of the military, but do serve under the Navy.
At 3:48 I almost choked on my cereal
i died laughing at that part
If the human fighting the grunt is tall and knows martial arts that utilize more kicks than punches (or just knows how to kick), the human could just maintain distance and easily kick the crap out of the grunt's head. It will most certainly do some damage and make it even harder for the grunt to fight since he is constantly being kicked in the head and the human would be out of reach.
Exoskeleton, say buhbie to the feeble bones in your knuckles that everyone uses for some reason.
Grunts don't look like they have exoskeletons though, he was straight up wrong in the video. What they do have is leathery skin that looks like rhino hide or something. But lets pretend they do have an exoskeleton; how tough exactly do you think that would be?
Chitin is lighter and more fragile than mineral rich bones, but its more flexible and heals faster. This flexible nature is a double edged sword; against moderate impact wounds, chitin holds up really well, but once you pass a certain threshold of force where you bend it to the point where you're crushing the internal organs, its not so great anymore. Bone cracking in these cases actually takes up a lot of energy which would otherwise be transferred to your squishy internal organs.
But I think its the other part that's important; chitin is more brittle than bone pound for pound. Any heavyweight boxer punches with more than enough force to break bone, especially when its not protected by muscle, so I figure most humans who have undergone strength training (soldiers, martial artists, athletes) should be able to shatter chitian with a punch, and a reasonably strong person could do it with a kick if they landed it correctly.
Knuckle bones arn't feeble unless you are; fists are the natural weapon that humans evolved to use; other primates can't make fists properly. A dense club of bone at the end of an arm isn't something to mess around with, and you've got multiple striking surfaces if you don't know how to throw a straight punch.
Also, he said kicks. I really don't see grunts taking boots to the head very well.
Ultimately I don't think it would be an easy fight for the average person, but if you can kick and maintain distance, beating a grunt should certainly be doable.
Grunts are slow, heavy, and not very maneuverable. Good luck catching a full speed kick or punch.
read some lore grunts are not slow at all..maneuverable sort of. They do have an exoskeleton pretty sure the books mentioned it somewhere. And Rhino Hide? You punched a rhino before mate? Me neither rhino hide is fucking tough I doubt a well trained human hitting with what 3000lbs of force would do much at all.
Dandyfoot117 would probably break the grunts neck if it were hit enough
Yeah grunts are hella strong.
There's a part in one of the novels I think where a grunt basically rips a marine to shreds. Like, limb from limb
Yeah people need to stop using this example. The grunt was a fanatical ultra and he caught the marine off guard during a peace negotiations meeting and ruined Tartarus's plan. Even the covenant was caught off surprise by the attack and Tartarus killed that grunt. If people are gonna go out of game, the in halo legends an odst easily snaps a grunts neck.
@@munguntulga Since when can a human rip apart another human limb by limb? Only animals are capable of doing that. Therefore, the grunts are hella strong.
@@ollielon5926 Humans are animals.
Theres also stolt. A grunt who has been know to best some elites. Granted he is stated to be a bit larger than a normal grunt, but still. Theres also on the new grunts in halo infinite, briglard and bipbap, who are pretty dangerous according to their bio in the game.
@@greaserat4126 lol how many people do you know who have been ripped apart with another person's bare hands?
There's a level in halo 4 where the marines actually attack you and melee you if you kill enough of them
Shutdown?
@@vadamsvengeance3219 yeah
You could go for the eyes
I remember shooting the grunt's methane tank
Good memories
A Hen's Tie me too... WHEEEEEEEE!
HemPie it's funny as hell to see that. Practically launches them a bit.
I still shoot them
In one of the Halo novels, a grunt literally rips a marine limb from limb.( I think it’s the first novel; I think it’s called Contact Harvest?)
I think it was a group of them, and I want to say it was Reach. They tear a bunch of civilians apart.
"A grunt" singular and its the only time we see them. Must have been the top 1% of grunts in size and strength
Not Justin I don’t think so because the games like some movies are not very accurate at recreating the books so they might be stronger and more feral than we thought
you know the games wher first do you?
@@antraxosazrael8480 the first novel came out before ce
They may be slow... But we are not.. .. Martial arts experts should not have any problems. ..
martial arts....
shameer theres a grunt that could 1v1 an elite in a fight and win, do not underestimate them.
Source?
Plus we would use our one advantage of speed like it was all we ever knew. Then you have adrenaline. Which if you look grunts don't have adrenaline. A human would win the fight because the second they were hit they would be pushed back to their survival instincts. They would be stronger due to adrenaline. Then they would be faster. Basically for anyone who has watched at least 1 fight of Dragon Ball Z or any anime thing where someone moves too fast for you to see them. We would move like that to grunts. Plus the two final things are 1: people do whatever it takes to survive, so we would probably say something like "behind you a spartan" and then break their neck. Or we would kick the legs they have. They waddle for fucks sake.
Maverick56 Grunts are tough bastards, man. I don't remember which book it was, but in one of the halo books, there was a grunt who had done labor work his entire life and could toss his friends around like ragdolls. speed doesn't count for crap if you have enough mass, but grunts are still not really that massive
Mike Tyson would still take it's ear off.
Connor Knight XD
Do they even have ears? XD
Connor Knight just saying we are talking about the average human strength and that isn't very strong so ya
GazpachoMacho yes
Anthony Boutoughian Your comprehension skills are severely lacking.
Funfact: You can measure a "melee" of a marine in halo 4 on normal one hit takes your entire shield or kills you instantly making them as strong as spartan II or eaven as hunters and knights.
Funfact2: Spartan IV melee deals no damege.
You could rear naked choke the grunt from behind, or if you have skill in sparring knock them out.
Their anatomy shows that they can reach you, in the case of a choke hold, I don't know about you but I don't want to be punched in the face by mister forearms over here
Suplex armbar is the answer
Well seeing that they are developed for very hilly and uneven terrain where long arms would be needed to move around your 250 pounds of mass(these things don't seem to get their weight from fat) I wouldn't think of these things as very weak. It's basically the same stature and weight of a female gorilla, though I agree a gorilla probably would win against a grunt; We humans would get ABSOLUTELY mauled if it used its claws and at least forearm strength to basically squish us in its hands.
best way I see it, they have great upper body strength, butt poor lower body strength and even poorer balance with their waddling and poo agility, so my advise is to just "THIS IS SPARTA" kick him in the chest, keep punching or kicking him to keep him down and nattily, avoid been punched yourself, they have a lot of strength but no fences
measure against odst melee. They have no melee augments right?
Jared White They have some augmentation, just not as much as Spartans.
All UNSC soldiers have augments. Marines have a few augments. ODSTs have quite a bit but that's because of how most enter the battlefield but none have anywhere close to the augments of a Spartan.
On top of that ODST are fucking insane.
You could use reach for measurimg a marine by being an elite in installation 04 map for firefight
If grunts are so much stronger than us, why does the Flood use human combat forms whenever possible but doesn't use grunt combat forms very often (if at all)
Jhan919 Because they don't have sufficient biomass sillybilly
But like what does that mean?!? How can they be stronger if they have less calcium and/or biomass?
Jhan919 resources limit in CE was the reason why we never saw Grunt combat forms, but it still canon
Well, they originally intended for Carrier forms to be infected grunts. Yeah I know there are grunt and even jackal combat forms, but they are rarer, which implies that the Flood sees humans as more appropriate combat forms, probably because the jackals and grunts are just on average weaker. That's my whole point.
because combat forms also use weapons, such as ARs and humans are better suited to using these kinda of weapons
I can't believe what I'm seeing in these comments, I mean lets be realistic here. An 250 pound animal(basically the same weight as a female gorilla) capable of lifting it's own body weight without heavy exertion(since they're basically built for climbing) definitely has the capacity to tear apart a human. All this talk about reach and agility doesn't mean much against an animal that can probably take at least one hit to the face before grabbing you and killing you. This isn't TV where a person is gonna be doing flips while the grunt just sits there waiting to get punched.
Pitting a grunt against anyone is like pitting a Juvenile Gorilla against a person, no matter how strong or skilled they are, they're fucked.
Thomas Harrod and you clearly don't get it. Grunts are slow. They wobble, and they breath methane fed to them from the tanks in their backs. Size, weight, and strength don't mean shit if you can't get a hold of your opponent or land a hit. There is a reason why the covenant use them as bullet sponges. Grunts are shitty at fighting.
They are slow. The average human looks to be faster than a grunt tbh
Raging Xans yet again I'm not some little bitch that dosnt know how to fight like you are. I know the grunts weaknesses and I would use that to my advantage. A grunt is big and bulky. they can not do shit once someone is behind them. That grunt would get is ass handed to it in a one on one with me. Unlike who would be stupid as fuck and die in no time fast.
christos kostas boy. They rip up marine armor like tin cans and have in the books torn a human limb from limb. Then his Khan had to use four horses to do that shit.
@@chaseviking5096 Are you the same kid who thinks flying knees could work? Haha that's rich.
Stop trying to act tough. Your insecurities are showing.
If I had to fight a grunt without weapons, I would literally just keep kicking it in the jaw so it stays as far as possible and maybe knock it out in the process if a good kick lands.
I'm not sure if this is canon but look type on youtube and watch halo evelotions midnight in the midhotioan it shows a NORMAL marine one punching a grunt
kenneth cortez that isn't real life though 🙅
Holy mother of god I didn't think of that
Thou same with the grunt
But he was pumped full of the drugs that improved his strength to super human levels enough to take on a spartan.
no he wasnt that was a normal human no drugs
He was a normal human but he took drugs before he left the medbay for the second time and was given drugs that Insurgents used to take that would be used to take on a spartan however the AI said that the insurgents normally died before they got close to a spartan but they destroyed anything in their path. ( i am starting to think i am watching the wrong things that you guys are but is it an anime and is the guy name Baird? or something like that? :P )
In the latest novels it reveals that while it IS a giant grunt, their forms can full on stand there and take an Elite wailing on them. So yeah, hand to hand, even a Jiralhanae would have a hard time.
an average grunt could be beaten by anyone with a decent grasp of actual combat. they are both small, and slow. the worst possible combination of things to be in a fight. kick their conveniently low foreheads to disorient, and keep your distance from theose claws, sweep their legs and drop them for a good 5 seconds while they struggle agaisnt their own body weight and armor, mess up their knees by crushing the back of their joints with your heel, and curbstomp their heads until they stop moving. easy.
I'm super late to the party but it's important to note that there's a cutscene/animation somewhere of a grunt on Balaho climbing up a rock wall on all fours like it's nothing. The implication is that their legs are weak af but their arms are actually pretty strong. If a grunt weighs 250 pounds and can free climb a rock wall using mainly just its arms to actually pull itself up, that means each arm can at LEAST support its weight. That plus the exoskeleton means a pretty beefy punch.
Yes you can measure a human vs. grunt fistfight. You are extremely unlikely to see it, but on 'Crow's Nest', you can possibly see the Marines kick Grunts in the hanger bay. I suppose you can just wait to see how many kicks it takes to kill a Grunt.
Could You Beat A HUNTER In Combat? (Halo)
could you beat a spartan in hand to hand combat
both of these are an obvious no
yes punch into the hunters core rip out its queen kill her and watch the rest of the colony rip itself apart trying to elect a new queen repeat until the hunter is dead.
you would be lucky to get that far
Chris Lee smack the back
Why does Batman vs Bane come to mind?
in halo legends (babysitter) you see ODST killing grunts in hand to hand
Wasn't that a sneak attack? I think it was Dutch who broke the Grunt's neck.
+GawsHawg still shows that they can be killed in hand to hand. if you were to be faster than the grunt then it would be easy to use all your weight and momentum to knock the grunt down, and snap it's neck.
Emil Kaapola That isn't hand to hand. Forget that, he means 1v1-no sneaking bs allowed,punches only
Luis Augusto Coss Salomón but it proves that a human is able to break a Unggoys neck
Not even the strongest human in the real world would stand a chance against a grunt. In the game they seem so weak cause your character is so powerful. You're playing as a spartan Lol.
The average human can't even fight a normal dog.
Umtouri Universe What about when you're an ODST in ODST constantly killing grunts?
Yeah, as an ODST you can just melee them a few times and they're dead
Ügiustus Keiserus that's called gameplay and plot armor
angel lara and it's also canon and actually happened in the lore.
When you play as an odst, you're using your gun to bash them, not your fist. And a few times to kill isnt the equivalent to a one hit kill. On heroic difficulty, which is consider to be "the real way to play halo", it takes a few hits to kill a grunt with melee while playing as chief. Now imagine if that was you fighting a grunt? If it takes a 7 foot tall, muscular, military trained super soldier a few meleee hits WITH THEIR GUN and NOT their fist; how the fuck do any of you expect to stand a chance in a 1v1 fist fight?
NCIS taught be the difference between fighting like MMA, boxing etc i.e. SPORTS and actual hand to hand combat i.e. trying to kill someone. An MMA fighter would obviously take down someone who isn't trained, but people in the SEALS and SAS etc would put any sports fighter down permanently pretty quickly... point is, its not really relevant to call on an MMA fighter, wrestler whatever for their thoughts on this kind of combat.
I hate to break it to you, but that's just not true. Soldiers have a slight advantage because they are taught to not fight fair (i.e. They will go for the throat punch, eye gouge, break fingers, etc) but other then that, a trained professional fighter would generally beat up most soldiers. I believe there is an ex special forces guy that is a professional MMA fighter right now, and he's pretty good, but it's not like he's the best ever. Soldiers are trained to function in a unit and with weapons. Hand to hand isn't a priority for them. It's more important to teach them how to move in formation, how to storm a house, how to handle an ambush, etc then it is to teach every individual soldier how to fist fight.
not that a trained soldier isn't going to maybe be pretty good in a life or death fist fight, (obviously more than other people who are not trained soldiers or prepared to be involved in a life or death altercation) but you're pitting them against someone who specifically specializes in physical fist fighting.
a trained martial artist is going to know more about grappling and striking than say, someone who's primary means of doing any type of combat is with a gun.
if it were a gunfight, then the soldier would obviously win most likely just off the basis of experience with their respective tools. but generally no soldier from any training background is gonna be putting down somebody with six years of muay thai, bjj, wrestling, or mma experience. it's just not practical.
if fist fighting in war were more useful, every soldier would be doing it more.
It always gets on my nerves when people say “ I could take on a trained fighter because I fight dirty” , nothing is stopping the mma fighter from fighting dirty in a street fight, the rules in a cage fight are to protect the less experienced fighter and you couldn’t beat them in the ring with rules that protect YOU, how do you expect to win when there are no rules?, I don’t see why people think that there’s some magic seal keeping mma fighters from going for the groin or gouging eyes, if anything they’d be better at fighting dirty because they’re stronger and faster
Don't marines punch you in warzone? But answering your question, I would fight them if I was 1 foot taller.
Yea if you were to be 6'5 or 7ft shaq you could really fuck them up lol
1 word
Shotgun
and if you got disarmed?
combat knife .. Soldiers last ditch weapon.
John2r1 And what if solid snake comes out of no where and disarm all of the weapons that you have at your disposal? What next? O_O
find something to use . those of us who know how to fight. know that there's always a weapon laying around. Btw in reality solid snake isn't in this theoretical fight. So one could likely keep a weapon hidden until the fight start's .
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Hi there martial artist here I believe the key to fighting a grunt is using it's seemingly advantageous features against it. Grunts have exoskeletons and while that can be seen as a massive boon it also serves as it's greatest weakness. Take the arms for example, if you were to counter a wide swing from a grunt by getting it into an armbar you'd be able to snap the arm more easily than a humans inner skeletal arm and it would do significantly more damage to the grunt. However this also brings up one of the grunts biggest advantages which are the length of it's arms. Reach is aajor factor in hand to hand combat and grunts have very long reach so keeping this in mind is integral to fighting a grunt. Making liberal use of the fact that they have short stubby legs and less mobility is probably our biggest advantage in unarmed combat, this paired with the fact that humans have sweat glands and a naturally incredible endurance and aren't limited to a apparatus to breathe means outlasting a grunt opponent would be easy, they would tire long before a human if tasked with long periods of physical exertion.
In summary my personal strategy would be to remain passive an focus on staying just out of arms reach of the grunt, baiting out strikes you can Dodge (a grunts arms don't look suited towards any kind of strikes that aren't easily broadcast to an opponent.) Wear out your opponent in this way until they seem to slow and catch a strike by stepping behind into an armbar, brake the arm and then break the neck. Simple swift and easy. If faced with multiple unarmed grunts just jog away keeping a slow pace as to let them follow and then take them out one by one. An arm break should be enough to incapacitate a foe and leave you time to deal with others.
4:39 it says in one of the games that fuel rod cannons are extremely light
Yeah but the recoil is tremendous, even Master chief needs to use two hands and it still pushes him back a bit.
You put a lot of effort into this and it's a good video, but you really shouldn't rely on the games for stuff like figuring out how strong they can punch: game mechanics aren't canon since they have to be balanced around gameplay.
Use the novels as sources for that sort of info.
Jabberwockxeno I don't think he reads any of them lol
Novels suffer from Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale, as in there's stuff that's written just because it sounds cool, but in practice it would be ridiculous, such as armored spartan weighing a ton, which would mean that chief couldn't walk on any sort of natural ground without sinking into it, and he can forget about using ladders or vehicles, or really anything that's not forerunner tech magic.
You saying we humans won't use that kinda of armor? Have you not seen Game Theory's Spartan Armor video?
But then again novels have plot armor and plot damage... it's complicated. It would be better to calcule with base in actual numbers or speculations.
2:32 The Look Of Disappointment.
I feel like you'd just need to reach for the neck... You see spartans snapping necks all the time in gameplay and I believe a few marines did the same thing in the books... Plus, I saw a marine take out a grunt in one kick in Halo 3.
How far? The grunts heavy is 100 k to 110 k
In the martial arts that I’ve done, a huge part of fighting efficiently is to use weaknesses in the body. Like if you punch someone in the shoulder, there won’t be an effect, but if you kick the knee at the right angle the whole leg becomes unusable. Pressure points can play a role too, and because we don’t know the joint structure and internal anatomy of a grunt it is hard to say what you could really do in a fight.
Daniel Gonzalez the mask man. It's connected to the methane tanks on their backs. They don't breath oxygen. Oxygen is pretty much poisonous to them. Rip or kick that off and they are screwed. You can't fight if your choking.
I've had boxing and judo experience I can say this:
1) they are shorter than you and heavier so theirs movements are limited you can easily get to a short range fight
2) they arm are long and heavy therefore they will not punch but most likely slap you ( it will be bone crushing considering one arm will likely weight 30 kg or more)
3) at short range you can easily trow your elbow in their faces considering how an average male is about 20 cm taller.
4) if the fight goes on the ground the only real treat is him getting on you being that heavy is hard to push him away and he could bite your neck killing you
There fore the best strategy is getting close to attack him with an elbow or a punch in the head, using your superior mobility to elude his slow yet powerful attack and at all cost avoid ground fight.
So jump in attack and jump out might do the trick
If the grunts are somewhat built like humans. That would mean their eyes could be connected to their brain. And if you were to stick your fingers in another human's eye sockets you can kill them. So if grants are made the same way as humans are in that regard. All you would have to do is stick both of your thumbs in its eyes and you would kill it. And even if it doesn't kill it that will give you the saphir advantage
look at how small the hole behind the human eye socket is you cant just shove your finger in someones brain you can blind them though.
4:51 is no one gonna talk about the halo CE map in Halo reach lol
In Halo 4 in the mission where you have to get onto the pelican to take down those magnetic pillars you can actually fight the entire subhanger of marines and spartans.
Mostly I would have a tea party with the grunt
get a good crescent kick to the face might be able to open a grunt up for a few more. who knows?
SaucySpaceFries use a round kick instead. It's has way more power behind it. Crescent kicks are better off for blocking then striking.
Nah there are many instances where marines reck grunts. Like in halo legends an ODST snapped a grunt's neck fairly easy. With lighter gravity their bones are far less dense than humans and the muscle physiology is weaker much like how humans are compared to elites. The marine that got clawed to death was caught off guard, even a medium sized dog can maul a human to death if caught by surprise. 250 pounds isnt that impressive considering a human can grapple and hold animals twice their body weight within 400-500 pounds. Grunts having unusually large forearms is also irrelevant, they have bigger forerams than elites but that doesn't make then stronger than elites right?
I think if u just screamed, the grunt would run and flee
You can see marines melee on ai battles from gamercheat13. They punch flood forms which would give u an idea of the strength
Grunts look painful to punch and you would most definitely break your hands. They look very too heavy so if you get them off balance they will probably fall right over then you could just curb stomp it
😂😂 I laughed so hard when you said we can nuke the jungle in a second
a reasonably in shape human should easily be able to take a grunt in hand to hand because they're clumsy and slow. An average 21st century human, wouldn't be able to
They might be clumsy and slow, but boy are they strong. Imagine you are a river, and the grunt is a rock. You might be fast and agile, but the grunt is unreasonably tough and strong for its size, and would take ages to wear it down. Plus, grunts are built for climbing mountains with ease, so if there's anything to climb nearby, they will use it to gain advantages.
Daniel Martinez Don't you mean a U.S man. Because you are saying that the average man isn't in good shape (which is kinda true,specially for the U.S) but with the right exercise one can be in good shape,which can give subtle advantages over a grunt,but good shape is NOT ENOUGH to beat one though
Daniel Martinez they are fast if they are on all 4s also they have numbers
I dont think the speed of a grunt was measured at all. Humans were built to run long distances, the max speed a human can run is 15 miles an hour, the max a grunt can run is severely less than that. All you would have to do to fight a grunt would be to out pace it, stay out of its reach and try to run around to its back. Grunts are fat and slow, use your human speed and agility against them.
in halo legends a ODST breakes the neck of a grunt
Or in halo evolutions midnight in the heart of midlothian a marine punshed a grunt in the face
Commander Clear That's what I thought off. The Halo 5 damage system only makes grunts do that much damage because they wouldn't be much of a threat if they did much less damage.
A grunts reach is probably not good so you could likely hammer them before they even hit you. Also they are slow so you could easily get behind them and possibly choke them out.
LetsPlayGaming screw trying to choke them out. That tank on their backs is full of methane and it runs to their mask. They don't breath oxygen the breath methane. So just rip that mask off them. It's easier and more effective. They will choke on the oxygen rich air.
Chase Viking true that would work better but my point stands. We have better reach.
I wouls snap its neck
In Halo 2, sometimes you will see Marines sneak up to a grunt and kill it in one melee. If the grunt is facing the Marine then it depends on how much health it has, like if its a grunt minor or is low on health.
If we can't kill a grunt we could just kill ourselves... We can ooonnnneeeee puuuuunnnncchhhh them and then they die...
*shrugs* we can run em' over at least
speed and reach. apply intelligence to those advantages and we win. face kick, and sweep the legs.
No in the official guide it says "grunts are strong enough to rip your arm off"
Huh my ass
One good spinning back kick to a grunts face is all you need
A better question would be "could you beat a Silverback gorilla?"
I think an average Silverback is physically similar to an average grunt. However Silverbacks could actually be quite a bit stronger than grunts (they're taller and more aggressive), so being able to beat one might actually mean you can very likely also beat a grunt.
What about the pelican mission in h4?
You're right, the UNSC forces will attack you, but GameCheat (in one of his AI battles), said that Marines and Spartans have a melee animation, but it doesn't actually do any damage. Not sure how true that is though, never tried it myself.
If it comes to grappling, we'd win. Go for a good choke and you're golden. If it came down to striking, hope they go down with some strikes to the head and neck. I guess you'd need to go with an out boxer style. They're slow and strong. It comes down to hitting without getting hit.
being a human kinda sucks.
can't fly
no claws
no really sharp teeth
were weak
not very fast
man that sucks
the duck commander we're not fast but we have the longest endurance in the whole animal kingdom
the duck commander There is a video on RUclips of African hunters chasing down an elk. Yes, the elk was faster, but due to our endurance the elk eventually got tired.
we also can survive injuries way better then most animals and we don't automatically die in different environments when the temperature slightly changes. also as mentioned we have the best endurance were made to go in or out of any of any environment on the planet. where the bounty hunters of the animal kingdom our the human motto should be "you can run but you'll just die tired".
geth117 agreed
the duck commander and we're not really weak I seen people fight bears hand to hand and humans have adrenaline which kicks in our primal instinct of survival
Reminding everyone that on Heroic (The canon difficulty of Halo) a grunt can be melee in the face by MC and live. None of us have even close to the striking power of MC and grunts can tank that. We would so lose.
The issue with assuming their movement abilities based on appearance is that we already have Lore and gameplay to show what they're capable of. Grunts can fling a plasma grenade a pretty sizeable distance, (a quarter the distance that chief can throw it is still QUITE far.) Grunts can one hand fuel rod cannons, and it's canon that they could climb the gravity scarred cliffs of ballaho as part of daily life. The only way you could kill a grunt in melee combat is by careful preparation and planning to deal with their attacks, because their physical armament is very deadly. This is made worse by the fact that the grunts are confirmed in Halo 5 to have extremely fast neural growth and learning ability. The reason grunts act dumb in the Halo games is because most of them are probably somewhere around five years old, and not educated in any way other than rank, equipment, and orders. If a grunt was given the time and purpose of beating you in melee combat, we'll say both the human and the grunt get one year to train and study for the fight, then the grunt would absolutely kick your ass like it was nothing. Grunt brains work faster, meaning you're in slow motion. Grunt brains learn faster, meaning that you got a year and he got a year and a half to train. The unggoy reproductive cycle dictates extremely fast body growth, meaning that your year's worth of weightlifting and shadowboxing would be the same amount of work as his first eight months. Bottom line is, the grunts we fight in Halo are probably child soldiers who are given armor and a gun as soon as they're able to carry them. A trained, prepared grunt might end up being like Yapyap the DESTROYER, and an army of well-trained, physically trained grunts might be too difficult to defeat. Picture the Orks from Warhammer, but trade some physical stats for extreme intelligence, and you've got a grunt that could kill two of you in a fistfight. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk. God bless.
No, you would not win. Saved you 8 minutes.
cvj1000 I agree
yes you would. use your superior reach and speed. frontkick to the face, sweeping kick to their laughably inferior legs, turning their body weight into a weapon against them, as they will be slow to get up. especially as your are now driving your heel into the inside of their knees, and curbstomping their heads into the ground.
CurvingFyre Talos I was merely saying no because that's what this video said. it was a massive waste of 8 minutes, because..who cares?
In Halo 3, you can measure humans' melee strength in the command center by killing all Marines and Johnson, then quickly running up to the technicians before Johnson is revived. It's a tiny amount of damage. That one you recorded didn't connect
In Halo 4, your allies will betray you in the hangar, but I haven't noticed them using melee. It's a tough fight, and a good challenge, so I'm surprised you didn't know about this
Also remember difficulties affect damage tables. This wasn't very well tested
yeah,say that exoskeleton to chiefs bash in CE
you would need the big show punching power to take out a grunt lol
Pull its mask off
Well.....that certainly would do a bunch of damage
Grunts are one of 4 species that can carry the fuel rod, the orders being brutes, elites, and spartans
Who wants to fight a grunt now?
Me.
me. i would have a nice trophy to hang over my fireplace.
a piece of alien armor, cause im not a murderer, and would only beat it unconscious.
Think in combat harvest a grunt 1v1 a militia and ripped open the guy's stomach
RUclips: how many teabags you want in this episode?
Luke the notable: yes.
john cena might beat it
Dude, John Cena is a threat to the covenant all by himself. Hell, his cloak is better than some elites, and what can you do whan you're 100% invisible all the time?
ThePhirenor 😂😂
"If this guy started hitting on your girl in the bar there's no way you'd try to fight him"
Laughs in Jack Daniels
I feel like if u got hands u could sleep a grunt real quik as they clunky and dont got good movement unlike a trained human fighter
all you have to do is intimidate them by growling or yelling and puff out your chest and stand on your tippy toes