Gtp3 just strings words together according to likelihood. It doesn't understand conceptual relationships between words so it never produces long-form quality writing. This short is lying about the capacity to get away with this strategy unless the teacher isn't actually reading while they grade.
I would say they're learning how to be efficient. Essays are pretty pointless unless you are specifically going into a career where they are needed (any job where a "thesis" may be needed). My guess: they were in one of those mandatory classes that you have to take, despite it not having anything to do with your degree.
after he is done with the surgery, ur kidneys will be pumping blood while your heart will be digesting food. 🤣🤣🤣 well. jokes apart, the ai is a tool just like a knife. it depends on how one masters it with what aim in mind.
I swear my English teacher didn't read essays. She just gave whatever grade she thought the student would get. I tested her by getting my mum to write a short story for an assignment. (My mum is a published author of a successful fiction series and also was a sub editor at a national newspaper), as expected I still got a C
@@altalia07 Honestly in the US, anyone working at a public school just isn’t paid enough to care lol. I remember I had an english teacher my senior year who was at a lower reading level than most of the students. I loved writing, but she kept giving me low grades on essays, so one day I asked her how I could improve & she literally said “write better” and then refused to elaborate lol. I eventually complained to the administration but everyone basically told me to deal with it. No idea how she got that job either
i think this is just highlighting a bigger issue overall in education. Students are so focused on assignments and deadlines not real experiences and knowledge
THIS schook isnt about learning anymore you get an idea of a formula memorize it do it again and then move onto a different unit while forgetting the last one
@@fireboyhendrick3805 Indeed, but learning is memorising but phrasing it and imagining it in a different tone or in different way. But people say that they are required to memorise which isn’t exactly the truth, questions test your knowledge not by asking questions that need EXACT sentence, but rather to express it in your own words which comes from *learning*. If I am incorrect, then rephrase and tell me your own knowledge of the word “memorising” and “learning”.
@@YnAegis mostly because our grades determine our future, and we're drilled with this fact constantly, so we care not for actually learning, just that we succeed
you're lucky, It takes me 12 hours go to school. Wake up at 5:30, go outside at 6:20 wait for the bus until 6:40 arrive at 7, only 4 recess of 5 minutes and at mid-day the lunch of 50 minutes, finish school at 4:20 arrive home at 5. And if you live far, at 6 or later. Get to home tired, do the house work like cleaning the house, washing the dishes, etc, and sleep late doing homework
@@animacionesesteban8963 Where I live (USA), our lunch isn’t even half an hour. I get at least 2-3 hours of homework a night (due to advanced classes - the kids in normal classes tend to have none/very little from what I’ve heard), and I once, for a whole semester, got 5 hours of homework in one night once a week (with 2-3 every other night in the week). I wake up at 5:00, get ready, leave the house at 6:45, get to school at 7, wait until 8:15 for school to start, take four classes in one day with the only break being 5 minutes to walk to each class and lunch from 12:12 to 12:37, the school day ends at 3:15, and then I have the homework after I get home around 3:30. Overall, if we say that I average 2 hours of homework a night, that’s about 12 and a half hours that I don’t get free time. This is excluding chores and anything else that isn’t required for school. Edit: Cut off my last point, it didn’t make sense when I reread the original comment
@@DecoraLaura I hate this school system, it was made 200 years ago in the Industrial Revolution just for making obedient workers, also the homework were originally made as a punishment.
@@kurukuru4120 school kill curiosity. When I was a kid, I always asked my parents questions: Why is the sky blue? Why cars move? Why grass is green? Etc... But school kills that curiosity of learning
Cheating implies an unfair advantage. Everyone doesn't have equal and perpetual access to the guy writing your essay, however they can have equal access to the AI forever.
@@brianvalenti1207 Cheating can create an unfair advantage, but that is a spillover. In academia, you are tested on your abilities and what you know. Having an AI software write a paper for you subverts that. If an entire class had one guy writing a paper for free, or if an entire school had a hand full of people writing papers for free, with 0 financial barriers to entry, that would still be cheating. Using free AI software is no different than just asking a random person to write a paper for free. The difference is speed and the novelty of computer software doing it. And technically, the person who created the AI software wrote the paper for you, but with extra steps.
@@km1dash6 I think our goals are different. I seem to be focused on the output where you're focused on the process. So, I'd agree it would be cheating if they're testing a student's process for writing a paper, in the same way that using a calculator would sometimes be cheating.
@@brianvalenti1207 the whole point of college is process! Using a calculator is absolutely cheating if the point is to test how well you can calculate things. Sometimes when you're asked to do high level things, like statistics or linear algebra, you can use a simple calculator to add or multiply large numbers, but that because you aren't being tested on that. If you're writing an essay so the teacher can measure your ability to articulate your ideas in an essay format, it is very clearly cheating to have an AI software to write an essay for you. It's not a controversy. It's the same as having another person write the essay for you, but with extra steps. The only argument I could see against this is if you built the AI software yourself and trained it on your own essays you got A's in from the same class with the exact same prompt. But that's not what's being discussed here.
A perfect example of "don't hate the players, hate the game." Right now, the school system is structured around students memorizing and regurgitating information in standardized tests instead of actually experiencing, learning and practicing what they need to know for life in the working world. Teachers ultimately value the letter grade higher than ensuring their students fully understand the topics, so it can only be expected for students to value getting their assignments done as efficiently as possible without concern for learning the actual material.
Whole society puts everyone down for being curious, taking risks and so on. Now shchool has to interest you in learning 😂😂. Both schools and the rest are bad at all this
To generalise that all school systems and teachers around the world are the same, and only cares about their ego, to only emphasise on the grades instead of actually prioritising education like what it should be, is just sad and untrue of a representation for all. The teachers I know ultimately wants us to not only do well acedemically, but more crucially for our future, the soft skills of communication, teamwork and compassion and much more..
It's not about laziness. Lazy people never ever do anything useful. Also it is not about a job being hard. It is about a job being mundane. For a Smart person. A smart person is too *lazy* for a mundane job, but that person is far from being lazy in a general sense.
‘But I’ll read the essay and learn how to write it’ is what I’ve seen people saying and it depends how you learn tbf but I doubt everyone saying that will work that way
@@robertsoriano1797 holy shit this exactly bro if people could just look at one fucking essay and be able to write themselves that same level of essay, everyone in the world would be a fucking perfect novelist and writer because they read Harry Potter one time
@@cloudstrifeff7xxMissed the point, on the short term there's no improvement but as they read more and more essay's they will essentially learn how to do it. You can't become a successful writer by watching 1 good movie, you have to watch many to learn Edit:i gotta clear up what i said because i realized that there was an error in my argument. You can actually get real good with just looking at something enough times but you still need to practice, like me i am a horror amateur i learnt almost everything from watching but i do some writing on my own to get more experienced. So i was *kinda* wrong
I disagree tbh. I do this all the time, but I do it to help me with writers block. If I didn’t use it, I probably would spend 10x longer thinking of how to start. Now I get to spend that time writing paragraph after paragraph based on the two sentence idea it gave.
@@mees.cequre Robots and AI exists because people worked hard for decades for it, you being able to be efficient requires someone else's effort first, if none of us gives any real effort, then none of us will be able to become "efficient" in the first place.
I think it's fine if it's for busywork that's just there for a grade, but I do think improving writing ability through essays is important. Clearing out copious amounts of assignments allows for more time for socializing, exercise, and other hobbies. big brain play in my opinion.
@@Galewind. That's actually a great idea, in our system people with the willingness to learn but aren't the smart kids kinda just get ignored and it's sad, it would also give teachers an actual reason/inscentive to pay attention to students
I mean if school is only going to be about grades and creating an unhealthy work/life balance then the school can’t be mad when the students adapt. Teachers assign an insane amount of hw.
@@1flash3571there ARE insane amounts of homework that no one with a social life could complete without an advantage. (Being smart is an advantage just like being rich is) So yes, most kids would like to spend their free time talking to their friends instead of doing homework assignments on top of what they spent 7-8 hours doing at school. School is just there to get everyone ready to be overworked and undervalued.
Imagine you get into a car crash and need emergency surgery, and you're faced with surgeons that used chat GPT and knows nothing about how to help you.
Disadvantages of using Chat GBT (my opinion) 1) you will be just copying from the internet instead of actually learning. 2)you won't get smarter and AI sucks
@@mine7172 you use a calculator the same way you'd use a word book when writing an essay. It doesn't solve the entire problem for you just like looking up a word doesn't write the essay for you. You still need to know what to do with your calculator or word book, you need to know and understand how what you're doing works. And even then there are many times you're not allowed to use a calculator in maths.
It's high time people and the education policy makers realise that AI WILL REPLACE ANYTHING REPETITIVE, MONOTONOUS OR SOMETHING WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE ORIGINAL THOUGHTS. The education has to rise its quality, such as to make use of the brain and challenge our critical thinking and not just the regular boring stuff.
If students CLEARLY didn't go to school to write 5-10 page essays, then don't make us write 5-10 page essays and be disappointed that we almost didn't give a shit
If you are studying to get a PhD in a field where you are expected to conduct studies you have to know how to write an essey/report. And those are even longer. School teaches you how to write and collect information. If you ask an AI to give you the answers and write it in the academic form you will have learned neither. It can be a tool but at the moment it isn't being used as one. It is used as an alternative to learning.
If schools teach us to be smart and efficient, then that's EXACTLY what they're gonna get. Edit: A'ight, I'm getting a lot of smack for this, so I'll clarify. What I meant was, if they're gonna be obsessed with squeezing grades out of us, instead of putting any effort into assessing students' individual skill sets, then it's pretty pretentious of them to expect any effort from the students themselves.
Literally the entire point of these assignments is to develop analytical, grammatical and research skills so getting ai to do it defeats the entire point.
so the teacher is making sure you think for yourselves AND increase your writing skills? Be grateful and embrace the challenge most students are not getting.
Good thing there is basically no way to prove it. And yes I know about the AI built to detect the AI writing. If you deny the claims they have almost zero proof except that "it sound like an AI wrote it".
@@lavahawk I think it could be used as evidence, or at worst rate things that AI wrote, very harshly (well, if it's any serious topic, then that shouldn't be hard). [For example it's not "that sounds like AI" if it sounds like AI few times one after the other. Calculate false-positives and statistics compared to students you do not suspect.]
@@tteqhu even then, there's nothing a university can do. Actually proving that someone used AI to write an essay for him is simply impossible. Those detectors are not based on truth, but on the structure of sentences. Some writers happen to write in a similar structure, and putting their work into one of those ai detectors happens to give a high percentage of 'AI writing'. Even when you have previous work of a student, they could still claim that their new work is different because they learned and applied themselves. It is literally their word against that of an university. Also, a wise student would use AI for inspiration, and then write it in their own words
@@sem8973 I said, that University could rate things AI wrote unfavourably, which isn't impossible. Structures that GPT sees as "common" and "correct" are definitely there. Professional writers, including university students when writing assignments, can produce more expressive text than AI because they have a deep understanding of language, the ability to draw on personal experiences, and the skill to create a narrative that is both compelling and persuasive. They can tailor their writing to specific audiences and purposes, and adjust their style, tone, and content accordingly. These are all qualities that are difficult for AI to replicate, making human writers more effective at producing expressive text. Please don't say things in line of "Oh, but AI will get better and it will write as well as someone that invested time in topic/research". By then even better statistical evidence of cheating can be found. While it may be possible to insert AI-generated text into a longer piece of writing without detection, over time, suspicions could be raised and questions may arise regarding the authenticity and quality of the writing. Even if AI technology advances to the point where it can replicate human writing effectively, it may still be possible to detect cheating through statistical evidence. At this point hower, I don't think for example ChatGPT is able to do any of that convincingly. Let's play a game, one of the paragraphs. I asked ChatGPT to reorganize (Assisted plagiarizm? - I provided most of the comment, so it could make informed settings what would fit there.), and one I asked to generate completely from prompt (2 tries). I think that's all there is, using AI for assisted writing, is somewhat fine, as it could get you started, but even then You would unlikely be detected as an AI, even when applying similar structures. Maybe in the far future, some solution like storing all outputs gets delievered, that would make detecting use of generative AIs much simpler.
I recognize three scenes: 1) "Bad Genius" movie exam cheating scene (the eraser in the shoe) 2) Nam Joo Hyuk ad from Start-Up 3) That "birrbirrbirrr" guy who reads the whole book in seconds
Technology has gotten to a point where schools could be forced to finally evolve. A new system that welcomes AI and uses it in ways that is beneficial and tailored to all types of students
as a former student i completely agree with the teachers. what you need is experience, you relying on AI, will only make it harder for yourself learning to write and read is a must but perfecting it is something that's needed to be done for our expressions to come out with just a word. trust me you'll regret not listening to some classes(i still hate math but yeah i wished tried to study more)
I agree with you, however if you're pursuing a career in, let's say, mechanical engineering, you're not really going to need those skills unless you're writing an essay. If it's a stupid required class to graduate I'd say it's okay to use, but it's definitely better to learn by actually doing.
@@bananaanimations2003Writing papers doesn’t just make you good at writing. It also develops your persuasivenesses to a certain audience. It’s especially essential to Engineering Majors, for example, your boss in a project you are working on is not convinced this should be the solution to XYZ, with a succinct and persuasive argument you can change your boss’s mind.
@@dodowz informational essays and Socratic seminars are helpful, especially if you have a prompt. However it's not always going to be like that, I somewhat agree with you lol
@@bananaanimations2003 If your gonna be an engineer and think writing isn’t important you are sorely mistaken. You have to document your work in such a way that it is very clear and thorough. You also need to be able to explain your work in writing as well. If you work in any field the main thing you end up doing is writinf
This would be genius if you used this from the beginning of the year because if you start using it after you personally write some essays or papers, your professor would notice the difference. I know this because my professor talked about how she could sense her students writing style from the beginning. 😂
I have to be at school for 9.5 hours because I am not athletic enough. In addition with 2.5 hours of homework. That also needs to include a time for breakfast, dinner, and sleep, which should be 10-12 hours for teenagers.
I used GPT one time to HELP me write my essay I would give it the details and notes I took from the museum I visited. It would structure my paragraphs but I would edit them myself. It ended up being 8 paragraphs long and got me an A. However, I always call back to that 7 page essay I wrote in High School that got me into college. It’s not like I can’t write it’s that I never have the time or liberty or time to properly plan out a nice essay.
This could be the beginning of an AI horror film. All fun and games in the beginning but the AI starts to learn how evil humans are through doing research for essays then turns against humanity.
Wanna know a movie i would like? A resistance force fighting the machines and when they get to the main AI center everything they thought about the AI being evil was false all along and it attacked them because it saw them as a threat to humanity
It exists already. I had once an acquaintance that predicted quite well the questions of some math “concepts”. He said he used data science, can’t truly confirm.
Is any one of these students not going to have access to this technology and the answer to 90% of their problems with them at all times in a device that fits into their pocket?
I feel like it's a appropriate response in some scenarios, after all some teachers treat you like a machine so might as well let one do your essays but yeah of course you wont be learning anything, and if you have to present the essay you won't have the same understanding of it as if you had written it
And yet you don't actually learn anything from it. And if you have to present look at it this way. We've all been forced to present something since kindergarten on a regular basis and yet only about 1 person out of every class is even somewhat comfortable with the idea. Every other country with a higher average IQ than America has more laid back school systems
my philosophy professor brought this up in class at the start of the semester, he said to embrace it & to turn in a real version of our essay assignment along with the AI’s version
I spent the better part of two years researching and planning an essay all about AI and it's capabilities, and near the end of my deadline (which I was not going to finish in time for) GPT-3 went into open Beta, and it was extremely relevant to my essay. I ended up using it to write 3 full pages of my essay, but I was entirely transparent about it in the essay itself, doing it purely to show the capabilities of AI in its current form. All the talking points were prompted manually by me, and I included screenshots and prompt examples so that the examiners understood how I did it. I ended up with an A
This is like the only reason I can think of it being useful. Using in conversations surrounding AI. Having it just writing essays for you renders essays useless
Just like how calculators were the end of humanity oh wait its almost like using a tool to help u do a complicated task is a good and smart thing lmao 😭 this is like saying u dont learn shit in math because u use a calculator for multiplication or u cant learn multiplication or do it properly of u use a calculator that's the dumbest logic I've ever heard
Lol I used GPT-3 for some of my essays before graduating last year. It isn't good enough to write your whole essay for you, but it can definitely take an outline and turn it into usable material. You still have to know what you are writing about and make a lot of changes for it to meet the expectations for your assignment. I do not consider it cheating. It's just a faster method of drafting. It's a very useful tool.
This is just like the argument with using a calculator, as technology evolves things get easier and technically chat gpt is like the calculator in this situation.
And if you ask them any simple geography, history, science or math question, they can't answer correctly. Straight A students that know nothing. It's making a College degree a joke.
Obviously it's cheating and shouldn't be allowed. The point is not to end up with dozens of essays, but to make sure the student understand the subject and can properly put their thoughts into words
@@JjohaneGobblerin my opinion, students should be able to be sent home without homework even being necessary. if you can send kids home with homework as an option then that means you’re probably doing something right
Even if it weren't cheating, problem with chat-AI at the moment is it keeps getting prompts hilariously wrong. If you're an expert on the subject you can spot the errors. But for research on something you know very little about? It's going to waste your time with gibberish or bringing up something completely unrelated, that then needs a rewrite
Don't you just love it when teachers say things like these are considered cheating but then they proceed to give out homework that they've taken straight from the internet? . . .
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Bro am I the only one who’s been using this all year to write my essays and all my homework.
Can you put the link
Can I pls get the link
I could use some help with some essays so a link to the AI would be cool
If its more efficient …
THEN USE IT
finally i can use the phrase "back in my day we actually had to write the essays instead of hooking them on a machine"
Thats bout to be the future for ya
I think over time we will have a lot of opportunities to use the phrase "back in my days..."
yeah whatever grandpa it’s not the 2020s anymore
I might say this to my children.
I am unfortunately not very sure if AI knows how to be logical though. And they might want to make sure that it only uses credible sources.
My English teacher would still give me a B for an essay from an AI 💀
Is that good?
@@alementary Grade A is best
@@alementary No it's not good, I'm basically saying my teacher always finds a way to make you lose lots of points on the essay.
Gtp3 just strings words together according to likelihood. It doesn't understand conceptual relationships between words so it never produces long-form quality writing. This short is lying about the capacity to get away with this strategy unless the teacher isn't actually reading while they grade.
@@jackester6742 sources in the description if you don't believe it lol
It’s bad because you’re not learning anything, but it seems good because we’ve valued letter grades over actually learning the material.
I'm already not learning 💀
THANK U FOR HELPING ME WIT MY ESSAY
Ikr.
I would say they're learning how to be efficient.
Essays are pretty pointless unless you are specifically going into a career where they are needed (any job where a "thesis" may be needed).
My guess: they were in one of those mandatory classes that you have to take, despite it not having anything to do with your degree.
@@blobjorn3248school is to learn how to do the thing, if you’re efficient at everything that you don’t know then what’s the point
I’m gonna die on the operating table cause some surgeon used ChatGPT to pass all his exams 💀
Wait, so surgeons don't do "training"?
Fuck, it's horrible then.
Nah...let the Ai do the surgery
after he is done with the surgery, ur kidneys will be pumping blood while your heart will be digesting food. 🤣🤣🤣
well. jokes apart, the ai is a tool just like a knife. it depends on how one masters it with what aim in mind.
💀💀💀
Medical error is third leading cause of death. I would be scared to go under the knife even if had training
Me: *sits down and cracks knuckles* “Well, this essay isn’t going to write itself”
AI in the corner: *”you sure about that?“*
Lol 🤣 the irony
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@@RineCroxVidz wtf
I swear my English teacher didn't read essays. She just gave whatever grade she thought the student would get. I tested her by getting my mum to write a short story for an assignment. (My mum is a published author of a successful fiction series and also was a sub editor at a national newspaper), as expected I still got a C
Can I read ur mums books
That is a bad teacher, she should check the essay instead of just guessing what grade you should get, have you told your principle?
Like jai said you should definitely talk to your principle about that
Wtf lmao you need to tell the principal or someone in power
@@altalia07 Honestly in the US, anyone working at a public school just isn’t paid enough to care lol.
I remember I had an english teacher my senior year who was at a lower reading level than most of the students. I loved writing, but she kept giving me low grades on essays, so one day I asked her how I could improve & she literally said “write better” and then refused to elaborate lol.
I eventually complained to the administration but everyone basically told me to deal with it. No idea how she got that job either
i think this is just highlighting a bigger issue overall in education. Students are so focused on assignments and deadlines not real experiences and knowledge
yes! thank you for stating this.
THIS schook isnt about learning anymore you get an idea of a formula memorize it do it again and then move onto a different unit while forgetting the last one
@@dvalin. Isn’t knowledge and wisdom all about memorising?
@@SAZTAPO
Memorizing isn’t the same as learning.
@@fireboyhendrick3805 Indeed, but learning is memorising but phrasing it and imagining it in a different tone or in different way. But people say that they are required to memorise which isn’t exactly the truth, questions test your knowledge not by asking questions that need EXACT sentence, but rather to express it in your own words which comes from *learning*.
If I am incorrect, then rephrase and tell me your own knowledge of the word “memorising” and “learning”.
This happens when, instead of valuing the learning behind a topic, you value the grade obtained in the test
ChatGPT is a calculator, but for English instead of maths......meaning we at first weren't allowed to use em
@@ibraheemshuaib8954 with a calculator you still need to memorize formulas but for chatgpt you only need the question
@@ibraheemshuaib8954Indian system's honest reaction to calculators:
I wonder why we value the letter grade more
@@YnAegis mostly because our grades determine our future, and we're drilled with this fact constantly, so we care not for actually learning, just that we succeed
These teachers will have a valid point when they stop dumping 3 hours of homework on us after a 7 hour schoolday.
you're lucky, It takes me 12 hours go to school. Wake up at 5:30, go outside at 6:20 wait for the bus until 6:40 arrive at 7, only 4 recess of 5 minutes and at mid-day the lunch of 50 minutes, finish school at 4:20 arrive home at 5. And if you live far, at 6 or later. Get to home tired, do the house work like cleaning the house, washing the dishes, etc, and sleep late doing homework
@@animacionesesteban8963 Where I live (USA), our lunch isn’t even half an hour. I get at least 2-3 hours of homework a night (due to advanced classes - the kids in normal classes tend to have none/very little from what I’ve heard), and I once, for a whole semester, got 5 hours of homework in one night once a week (with 2-3 every other night in the week). I wake up at 5:00, get ready, leave the house at 6:45, get to school at 7, wait until 8:15 for school to start, take four classes in one day with the only break being 5 minutes to walk to each class and lunch from 12:12 to 12:37, the school day ends at 3:15, and then I have the homework after I get home around 3:30. Overall, if we say that I average 2 hours of homework a night, that’s about 12 and a half hours that I don’t get free time. This is excluding chores and anything else that isn’t required for school.
Edit: Cut off my last point, it didn’t make sense when I reread the original comment
@@DecoraLaura I hate this school system, it was made 200 years ago in the Industrial Revolution just for making obedient workers, also the homework were originally made as a punishment.
That, doesn't sound too bad at all.
@@kurukuru4120 school kill curiosity.
When I was a kid, I always asked my parents questions: Why is the sky blue? Why cars move? Why grass is green? Etc... But school kills that curiosity of learning
If it's cheating to have some other guy write your essay for you, it's cheating to have an AI software do it, too.
Cheating implies an unfair advantage. Everyone doesn't have equal and perpetual access to the guy writing your essay, however they can have equal access to the AI forever.
@@brianvalenti1207 Cheating can create an unfair advantage, but that is a spillover. In academia, you are tested on your abilities and what you know. Having an AI software write a paper for you subverts that. If an entire class had one guy writing a paper for free, or if an entire school had a hand full of people writing papers for free, with 0 financial barriers to entry, that would still be cheating. Using free AI software is no different than just asking a random person to write a paper for free. The difference is speed and the novelty of computer software doing it.
And technically, the person who created the AI software wrote the paper for you, but with extra steps.
@@km1dash6 I think our goals are different. I seem to be focused on the output where you're focused on the process. So, I'd agree it would be cheating if they're testing a student's process for writing a paper, in the same way that using a calculator would sometimes be cheating.
@@brianvalenti1207 the whole point of college is process!
Using a calculator is absolutely cheating if the point is to test how well you can calculate things. Sometimes when you're asked to do high level things, like statistics or linear algebra, you can use a simple calculator to add or multiply large numbers, but that because you aren't being tested on that.
If you're writing an essay so the teacher can measure your ability to articulate your ideas in an essay format, it is very clearly cheating to have an AI software to write an essay for you. It's not a controversy. It's the same as having another person write the essay for you, but with extra steps.
The only argument I could see against this is if you built the AI software yourself and trained it on your own essays you got A's in from the same class with the exact same prompt. But that's not what's being discussed here.
@@brianvalenti1207 you can’t deny that it is plagiarism tho
Imagine teacher using ai to grade the students essay.
Mine do
There is an ai being developed to detect if something was written by another ai. Who knows if teachers use it.
that one obama meme when hes giving himself a medal
@@junkboxprime6098 yea but not very accurate
i feel like that would be better, cause teachers also grade people by how they feel about them not by their hard work. also no personal grudges.
A perfect example of "don't hate the players, hate the game." Right now, the school system is structured around students memorizing and regurgitating information in standardized tests instead of actually experiencing, learning and practicing what they need to know for life in the working world. Teachers ultimately value the letter grade higher than ensuring their students fully understand the topics, so it can only be expected for students to value getting their assignments done as efficiently as possible without concern for learning the actual material.
The problem is not memorization, it is take home assessments. Memorization is still a good way to learn
Whole society puts everyone down for being curious, taking risks and so on. Now shchool has to interest you in learning 😂😂. Both schools and the rest are bad at all this
What you said is true BUT it’s still not an excuse for cheating because both parties have to trunk or just one
@Cherryblossom-ym7gs Ofc
To generalise that all school systems and teachers around the world are the same, and only cares about their ego, to only emphasise on the grades instead of actually prioritising education like what it should be, is just sad and untrue of a representation for all. The teachers I know ultimately wants us to not only do well acedemically, but more crucially for our future, the soft skills of communication, teamwork and compassion and much more..
Bro this is literally the plot for the Homework Machine we're going back to 3rd grade books 💀
LMFAO that was my first thought too
Wow that's a book I never thought I'd remember
Im pretty sure they made a sequel but i never read it
they threw the machine in the grand canyon 💀
I loved that book
“I choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it.” - Bill Gates.
It's not about laziness. Lazy people never ever do anything useful.
Also it is not about a job being hard. It is about a job being mundane. For a Smart person. A smart person is too *lazy* for a mundane job, but that person is far from being lazy in a general sense.
@@sergeykolesnik1171 ... You said it better than I or maybe bill could
@@sergeykolesnik1171Oh seriously?
Or they just won't do it lol
@@sergeykolesnik1171 that's why your on RUclips
You used to not be allowed to bring a calculator to an exam. Will there be a time where I'm allowed to bring gpt3?
Maybe one day
if your getting an ai to do all the work, what’s the point in doing the test in the first place?
@@prabhsaini1 to enhace your proofreading capacity.
@@prabhsaini1 to test your memorisation skills
Used to?
My school switched back to in-class, hand-written writing assessments.
YEEAH BOI!!! Its better to make ourselves suffer than let some 'smart' kids get a fucking Tincan.
You guys can write with pencils? Damn.
Does the essay get an A+?
-Yes.
Does the students actually learn to write?
-No.
‘But I’ll read the essay and learn how to write it’ is what I’ve seen people saying and it depends how you learn tbf but I doubt everyone saying that will work that way
@@callum__w Dumb. Its like watching a movie and saying I know how to make a film now because Gorge Lucas produce one and I watched it 😂😂😂
@@robertsoriano1797 holy shit this exactly bro if people could just look at one fucking essay and be able to write themselves that same level of essay, everyone in the world would be a fucking perfect novelist and writer because they read Harry Potter one time
@@cloudstrifeff7xxMissed the point, on the short term there's no improvement but as they read more and more essay's they will essentially learn how to do it. You can't become a successful writer by watching 1 good movie, you have to watch many to learn
Edit:i gotta clear up what i said because i realized that there was an error in my argument. You can actually get real good with just looking at something enough times but you still need to practice, like me i am a horror amateur i learnt almost everything from watching but i do some writing on my own to get more experienced. So i was *kinda* wrong
I disagree tbh. I do this all the time, but I do it to help me with writers block. If I didn’t use it, I probably would spend 10x longer thinking of how to start. Now I get to spend that time writing paragraph after paragraph based on the two sentence idea it gave.
A wise man once said
"Remember folks, efficiency is just clever laziness."
Why do it yourself, when robots do it better?
I'm gonna lay down and let yokai do the rest
@@mees.cequre Robots and AI exists because people worked hard for decades for it, you being able to be efficient requires someone else's effort first, if none of us gives any real effort, then none of us will be able to become "efficient" in the first place.
This quote goes hard
@@stupidthings1000 So humanity worked hard, to not work hard
You could write the most perfect essay in the world. Something someone like Shakespeare would write and teachers will still think it’s mid 💀
NAHH, HOW BOUT YOU WRITE AN ESSAY
@@st3rlight728 huh
@@Shay001 I was tryna say like the teachers, how about you try writing an essay
@@Shay001 i was tryna say like, if you think this “perfect” Essay is mid, why not you write one?
@@st3rlight728 yea and they always say “oh you cant do that in writing”
Not until the teacher gave them a oral recitation test
That's evil
There’s books out there that have oral questions word for word that you can memorize. The teachers can’t win 😂😂😂
@@bigchungus1848"Memorize." Seriously?
I think it's fine if it's for busywork that's just there for a grade, but I do think improving writing ability through essays is important. Clearing out copious amounts of assignments allows for more time for socializing, exercise, and other hobbies. big brain play in my opinion.
Fair take
Very 200 IQ
Honestly I think most subjects should be completely optional and you do whatever you want. And that your not marked by grades but by teacher feedback
@@Galewind. That's actually a great idea, in our system people with the willingness to learn but aren't the smart kids kinda just get ignored and it's sad, it would also give teachers an actual reason/inscentive to pay attention to students
@celery Why is this cheating? The students were able to figure out how to complete the assignment with the tools available.
I mean if school is only going to be about grades and creating an unhealthy work/life balance then the school can’t be mad when the students adapt. Teachers assign an insane amount of hw.
Yep. Might as well be stopping after high school.
Honestly! Nobody cares about learning shit anymore it’s all about the grades
You people are too lazy to say that there are insane amount of homework. I bet you rather text your friends than complete your homework.
@@1flash3571 Oh I don't know because homework is pointless?
@@1flash3571there ARE insane amounts of homework that no one with a social life could complete without an advantage. (Being smart is an advantage just like being rich is) So yes, most kids would like to spend their free time talking to their friends instead of doing homework assignments on top of what they spent 7-8 hours doing at school. School is just there to get everyone ready to be overworked and undervalued.
Random clip of vector in there, an essential for any RUclips short.
Completed the video really
@@alementary agreed.
Imagine you get into a car crash and need emergency surgery, and you're faced with surgeons that used chat GPT and knows nothing about how to help you.
Oh no, teachers will actually need to evaluate their students on an individual level.
can't let that happen, right? ; )
The irony of the education system not being sure if allowing A.I. to do your homework is acceptable or not.
The money clip of nam joohyuk took me out 😭😭😭
ok
I’m so sad he’s going to the military at the end of December 🤣😭
@@cowcuttie7119 WHAT THE HELL NO WAY
I was looking for this comment
Disadvantages of using Chat GBT (my opinion)
1) you will be just copying from the internet instead of actually learning.
2)you won't get smarter and AI sucks
“A tool”
Bro it writes the whole essay for you 💀
It's a WEAPON!
it doesn’t write the whole essay it just researches more efficiently
@@peachkiwi23it writes
@@-_wanderer the students wrote the essays like bosses.
Mission accomplished?
The Start Up clip 💀💀
I saw that too 🤣
I was scrolling through the comments just to find this 😭
😂👩🦯👩🦯💀
What about it
@@xanox23 fr
They're not students. They're AI operators.
I'm used calculater at math this is ok too
@@mine7172 but calculators are different
@Kaif Chowdhury but they did use an AI to create they're essays no?
They're not AI operators they're relays, nothing is being controlled except the input and output
@@mine7172 you use a calculator the same way you'd use a word book when writing an essay. It doesn't solve the entire problem for you just like looking up a word doesn't write the essay for you. You still need to know what to do with your calculator or word book, you need to know and understand how what you're doing works. And even then there are many times you're not allowed to use a calculator in maths.
It took 60 seconds to tell us "some students used chat got to write their homework and also did it for there classmates for money"
The students are learning, they just aren’t learning what the teachers are teaching.
That kids is why I'm considering homeschool
No they're actually learning stuff they will use after they graduate school which can't be said for most of what school teaches you
they arent learning shit, they are just copying and pasting, this wont give them any knowlege
It's high time people and the education policy makers realise that AI WILL REPLACE ANYTHING REPETITIVE, MONOTONOUS OR SOMETHING WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE ORIGINAL THOUGHTS. The education has to rise its quality, such as to make use of the brain and challenge our critical thinking and not just the regular boring stuff.
@@mohdehtesham8357 Bingo
If students CLEARLY didn't go to school to write 5-10 page essays, then don't make us write 5-10 page essays and be disappointed that we almost didn't give a shit
If you are studying to get a PhD in a field where you are expected to conduct studies you have to know how to write an essey/report. And those are even longer. School teaches you how to write and collect information. If you ask an AI to give you the answers and write it in the academic form you will have learned neither. It can be a tool but at the moment it isn't being used as one. It is used as an alternative to learning.
@@MartinBlyberg most students are not getting PhD’s
fr that is the most frustrating part
Ok...thanks professor. 😒
@@icepenguin7278Idc about that either
If schools teach us to be smart and efficient, then that's EXACTLY what they're gonna get.
Edit: A'ight, I'm getting a lot of smack for this, so I'll clarify. What I meant was, if they're gonna be obsessed with squeezing grades out of us, instead of putting any effort into assessing students' individual skill sets, then it's pretty pretentious of them to expect any effort from the students themselves.
School teaches you skills... including writing and expression, not just efficiency or smartness
then dont complain when you are stuck flipping burgers the rest of your life yeah?
Literally the entire point of these assignments is to develop analytical, grammatical and research skills so getting ai to do it defeats the entire point.
Your parents teach you to be smart and efficient, school teach you academic skills
These essays are so god damn useless
I literally sat behind a guy who did this in my class and bro just entered the hw and left the AI to do it 💀
my teacher found out people were doing this in my class, now we’re stuck to writing on paper. thanks a lot.
you can always use AI and rewrite it on paper
@@twinex20 we couldn’t have our computers open
@@addysversion oh
so the teacher is making sure you think for yourselves AND increase your writing skills?
Be grateful and embrace the challenge most students are not getting.
@@twinex20 no computers in the class now, all paper only! Oh, all writing assignments must be done at SCHOOL
They really tried to blue their faces out and yet they are still recognisable
As a university student, the university would 100% consider this cheating
Good thing there is basically no way to prove it. And yes I know about the AI built to detect the AI writing. If you deny the claims they have almost zero proof except that "it sound like an AI wrote it".
@@lavahawk
I think it could be used as evidence, or at worst rate things that AI wrote, very harshly (well, if it's any serious topic, then that shouldn't be hard).
[For example it's not "that sounds like AI" if it sounds like AI few times one after the other. Calculate false-positives and statistics compared to students you do not suspect.]
@@tteqhu even then, there's nothing a university can do. Actually proving that someone used AI to write an essay for him is simply impossible. Those detectors are not based on truth, but on the structure of sentences. Some writers happen to write in a similar structure, and putting their work into one of those ai detectors happens to give a high percentage of 'AI writing'.
Even when you have previous work of a student, they could still claim that their new work is different because they learned and applied themselves. It is literally their word against that of an university. Also, a wise student would use AI for inspiration, and then write it in their own words
@@sem8973
I said, that University could rate things AI wrote unfavourably, which isn't impossible. Structures that GPT sees as "common" and "correct" are definitely there.
Professional writers, including university students when writing assignments, can produce more expressive text than AI because they have a deep understanding of language, the ability to draw on personal experiences, and the skill to create a narrative that is both compelling and persuasive. They can tailor their writing to specific audiences and purposes, and adjust their style, tone, and content accordingly. These are all qualities that are difficult for AI to replicate, making human writers more effective at producing expressive text.
Please don't say things in line of "Oh, but AI will get better and it will write as well as someone that invested time in topic/research". By then even better statistical evidence of cheating can be found.
While it may be possible to insert AI-generated text into a longer piece of writing without detection, over time, suspicions could be raised and questions may arise regarding the authenticity and quality of the writing. Even if AI technology advances to the point where it can replicate human writing effectively, it may still be possible to detect cheating through statistical evidence.
At this point hower, I don't think for example ChatGPT is able to do any of that convincingly.
Let's play a game, one of the paragraphs. I asked ChatGPT to reorganize (Assisted plagiarizm? - I provided most of the comment, so it could make informed settings what would fit there.), and one I asked to generate completely from prompt (2 tries).
I think that's all there is, using AI for assisted writing, is somewhat fine, as it could get you started, but even then You would unlikely be detected as an AI, even when applying similar structures.
Maybe in the far future, some solution like storing all outputs gets delievered, that would make detecting use of generative AIs much simpler.
@@ASTRA1564 So much for the invisible hand
Grad tests cheat you by relying on a short ai personality test to judge and define your personality. Can we please cancel these employees.
It only would be a bad thing if schools wouldn't give us 12 hours worth of homewok to be done for the next day
lmaooo the nam joo hyuk start up clippp
I saw that too 🤣
RIGHTT
LMAOO
I means it’s iconic
Watching this in 2024 knowing very well i do it daily.
"[Unfortunately] no-one's managed to connect up a fact checker to an AI"
-tom scott
“Neither does one have the knowledge to know what it truly is.”
- Steve Jobs
Nam joo Hyuk is so iconic 😂
and a bully
@@emperor8716bestie what-
@@LeKing_ I don't see the problem...
MONEY
I recognize three scenes:
1) "Bad Genius" movie exam cheating scene (the eraser in the shoe)
2) Nam Joo Hyuk ad from Start-Up
3) That "birrbirrbirrr" guy who reads the whole book in seconds
I recognized the start up ad immediately
and also the I'm an engineering failure vid :"))
Nam Joo Hyuk..❤❤❤❤🥰
"I CHEW YOUR MEAT"💀
The woman swatting the fly on her neck is from Westworld
Technology has gotten to a point where schools could be forced to finally evolve. A new system that welcomes AI and uses it in ways that is beneficial and tailored to all types of students
as a former student i completely agree with the teachers.
what you need is experience, you relying on AI, will only make it harder for yourself learning to write and read is a must but perfecting it is something that's needed to be done for our expressions to come out with just a word.
trust me you'll regret not listening to some classes(i still hate math but yeah i wished tried to study more)
I agree with you, however if you're pursuing a career in, let's say, mechanical engineering, you're not really going to need those skills unless you're writing an essay. If it's a stupid required class to graduate I'd say it's okay to use, but it's definitely better to learn by actually doing.
@@bananaanimations2003Writing papers doesn’t just make you good at writing. It also develops your persuasivenesses to a certain audience. It’s especially essential to Engineering Majors, for example, your boss in a project you are working on is not convinced this should be the solution to XYZ, with a succinct and persuasive argument you can change your boss’s mind.
@@tarobrob513 bro how is writing an essay on Abraham Lincoln gonna make me better at being persuasive? That literally makes no sense.
@@dodowz informational essays and Socratic seminars are helpful, especially if you have a prompt. However it's not always going to be like that, I somewhat agree with you lol
@@bananaanimations2003 If your gonna be an engineer and think writing isn’t important you are sorely mistaken. You have to document your work in such a way that it is very clear and thorough. You also need to be able to explain your work in writing as well.
If you work in any field the main thing you end up doing is writinf
This would be genius if you used this from the beginning of the year because if you start using it after you personally write some essays or papers, your professor would notice the difference. I know this because my professor talked about how she could sense her students writing style from the beginning. 😂
My teachers encourage using it for inspiration, but the essay itself must be written by us
I have to be at school for 9.5 hours because I am not athletic enough. In addition with 2.5 hours of homework. That also needs to include a time for breakfast, dinner, and sleep, which should be 10-12 hours for teenagers.
I used GPT one time to HELP me write my essay I would give it the details and notes I took from the museum I visited. It would structure my paragraphs but I would edit them myself. It ended up being 8 paragraphs long and got me an A. However, I always call back to that 7 page essay I wrote in High School that got me into college. It’s not like I can’t write it’s that I never have the time or liberty or time to properly plan out a nice essay.
This could be the beginning of an AI horror film. All fun and games in the beginning but the AI starts to learn how evil humans are through doing research for essays then turns against humanity.
Wanna know a movie i would like? A resistance force fighting the machines and when they get to the main AI center everything they thought about the AI being evil was false all along and it attacked them because it saw them as a threat to humanity
Nam joo hyuk money clip😭💀
Ikrrr im dying it still gets me everytime 🤣🤣🤣
Lmao someone noticed
The first thing I noticed lol
Start up 😭
Ikr😭😭
Why tf did that static noise near the start gave a jump scare and a heart attack. :/
Having Nam Do San in this video is just plain iconic!!! Iykyk!!
It's not Nam do san,its lee jong ho
@@Gayathri14381 The actors name is Nam Joo Hyuk and the character in the show is Nam Do San so I don’t know where you found that name lol
I was looking for your comm looool
TRUE I WAS NOT EXPECTING HIM HERE HAHA
It is Nam Joo Hyuk .. Haha
We need AI to predict exam papers 💀
It exists already. I had once an acquaintance that predicted quite well the questions of some math “concepts”. He said he used data science, can’t truly confirm.
nice of youtube to recommend me this after a 6 hour homework night
i have a month of class left
istg this could’ve been so much more useful for my class LMFAO
Is any one of these students not going to have access to this technology and the answer to 90% of their problems with them at all times in a device that fits into their pocket?
When you know that homeworks are becoming more and more crappy and students become more and more creative.
I feel like it's a appropriate response in some scenarios, after all some teachers treat you like a machine so might as well let one do your essays
but yeah of course you wont be learning anything, and if you have to present the essay you won't have the same understanding of it as if you had written it
And yet you don't actually learn anything from it. And if you have to present look at it this way. We've all been forced to present something since kindergarten on a regular basis and yet only about 1 person out of every class is even somewhat comfortable with the idea. Every other country with a higher average IQ than America has more laid back school systems
🤣ok but that scene from start up CAUGHT me off guard-
Lol same
From which vide this taken?
@vxlkrye 💀naurrr
@@87911 it's from a kdrama called "start -up" episode 3
me too
... teachers always like this...
Ah, education system is probably screwed up anyways.
AI's evolving, humans devolving.
Huh, I saw Joo-hyuk from Start Up with just a few seconds and started screaming like a maniac😃😂
me tooo
Who
The students are Cartman, Stan, Butters, and Clyde
Man said it. :skull:
lol
my philosophy professor brought this up in class at the start of the semester, he said to embrace it & to turn in a real version of our essay assignment along with the AI’s version
They will have a point when we will need to write 50 page essays daily in our jobs💀
I see this as a win-win. I get more free time, the teacher still gets her essay. Both parties are happy
Teachers don't even read the essays. They will give you what they think you would get. Even if it's literally written by AI.
Kdrama START UP just POPPED UP
IM GLAD I WASNT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED IT🥳🥳🥳
@@adolfojr812 same
Nam Dosan
Money money money!!!!
i went to the comments to look for someone saying nam joo hyuk😂😂😂
I spent the better part of two years researching and planning an essay all about AI and it's capabilities, and near the end of my deadline (which I was not going to finish in time for) GPT-3 went into open Beta, and it was extremely relevant to my essay. I ended up using it to write 3 full pages of my essay, but I was entirely transparent about it in the essay itself, doing it purely to show the capabilities of AI in its current form. All the talking points were prompted manually by me, and I included screenshots and prompt examples so that the examiners understood how I did it. I ended up with an A
This is like the only reason I can think of it being useful. Using in conversations surrounding AI. Having it just writing essays for you renders essays useless
Start up on the background 😂🤣😂🤣 That scene was hilarious
Bro so many people did this it’s not unique or unheard of you’ll just fail the class during the exam since you learned nothing or if you get caught
The girls in my class hid answers under their skirts before tests, I don’t even wanna know how the teachers found out.
Lmao sus
A.I. will be the end of humanity. These students learned NOTHING.
As long as I get an A. Who cares bruh
@@cloroxbleachtm9638you should care bruh. Honestly, for yourself you should push yourself to do it. It helps develops your mind.
@@jacobwhitehurst4983if the sistems only cares if I did it then I dont need to know how to do something im not going to use
Just like how calculators were the end of humanity oh wait its almost like using a tool to help u do a complicated task is a good and smart thing lmao 😭 this is like saying u dont learn shit in math because u use a calculator for multiplication or u cant learn multiplication or do it properly of u use a calculator that's the dumbest logic I've ever heard
see Karen your not the clown your the entire circus
I still use AI like this for my Assignments. But I use it more as a data gatherer rather than using it to write everything 😅
Hook me up
If makes you feel better
Wait how can you do this?
It isnt "cheating" its a assistant that helps. It still makes you learn more
That start up clip😅that was one of the most hilarious moment in start up😂😂
Lol I used GPT-3 for some of my essays before graduating last year. It isn't good enough to write your whole essay for you, but it can definitely take an outline and turn it into usable material. You still have to know what you are writing about and make a lot of changes for it to meet the expectations for your assignment. I do not consider it cheating. It's just a faster method of drafting. It's a very useful tool.
*The essay made by the AI be like:* "Once upon 2 chemistry dogs where in an international schedule of monkey..."
This is just like the argument with using a calculator, as technology evolves things get easier and technically chat gpt is like the calculator in this situation.
And if you ask them any simple geography, history, science or math question, they can't answer correctly. Straight A students that know nothing. It's making a College degree a joke.
Exactly.
College degrees were already a joke
You never used openai before
@@geneh2108 bingo
@@geneh2108 the entire education system (in america)*
That video of Nam Joohyuk got me on the floor 😭
Obviously it's cheating and shouldn't be allowed. The point is not to end up with dozens of essays, but to make sure the student understand the subject and can properly put their thoughts into words
Okay, well nobody likes staying up all night trying to write an essay
@@stuntrushjr64 then how do we ensure that students understood what they were taught?
@@JjohaneGobblerin my opinion, students should be able to be sent home without homework even being necessary. if you can send kids home with homework as an option then that means you’re probably doing something right
It’s terrible at writing essays though so I think it should be allowed.
Even if it weren't cheating, problem with chat-AI at the moment is it keeps getting prompts hilariously wrong.
If you're an expert on the subject you can spot the errors. But for research on something you know very little about? It's going to waste your time with gibberish or bringing up something completely unrelated, that then needs a rewrite
My teachers don't know what is ai lol
Don't you just love it when teachers say things like these are considered cheating but then they proceed to give out homework that they've taken straight from the internet? . . .
The main difference is that the students are there to learn
The teacher has already learned
I'm not a teacher btw
everyone is talking about the AI meanwhile i am still focus on that clip of nam juhyuk
no, literally almost every comment is about that.
Teacher: Class here is the homework but you have to do it in the classroom. The students: OH SHI-
Isn't it just classwork then??
This will affect the trout population.
Lmao the nam joo hyuk clip 😂
You're not genius when you get caught. But, you're genius when they can't do anything about it.
- Professor
I’m with the teachers. How tf you gonna be in English class and not do the English.
Bro I will never gonna go a doctor because they don't know how to be a doctor only cheating
Imagine "haven't decided, if okay, or not" be your response to exploitation & fraud.
please shut up
@@yaldamasevpro4862 Somebody sounds really upset.
lmao that iconic " M O N EY "
The teachers are either OLD or Bogus
Me dying at the hospital because my doctor used chat GPT to pass his exams.