I attended the parade last year, and was sat next to a......you guessed it....a German fella. We got on well, and I was surprised when he told me this parade is popular in Germany.
Coburg March by Michael Haydn Brother to Jospeh Haydn - Marsch des k. u. k. Infanterie Regiment Nr. 58 - Traditionsmarsch der 12. Panzerdivision in Veitshöcn hheim, Coburg is a cavalry presentation march. It was composed by Johann Michael Haydn around 1792/93 as Josias-Coburg march
During the time of the kingdom of hanover, this was also known as the march of the hanoverian artillery. It shared the same tune as the Coburger march.
marches were in use everywhere. Monarchs and royal family members brought them as gifts on occasion of state visits. Thus it can come that a swedish march of the finnish cavalry has a number in the register of prussian marches :)
Sorry to burst your fun, but Austria is actually a German country. Austria resides within the geographical region of 'Germania' if you look back in history actually. The Coburger Marsch was written for the Austrian army but did occasionaly get used by the Prussian Army, and later Imperial German Army.
For any visitors who are irritated by the "germany or austria dispute here: A "Germany" did not exist in the era the march was composed. There were only a lot of semi-independent states of german culture. One of them (and the largest) was Austria. The austrian ruler was overmore emperor of the Holy Roman Empire which united all those german states (and others as well). Thus it is ridiculous to argue which "nationality" the march has, for any sophisticated person.
die österr.Herrscher haben aber auch noch über ein anderes Gebiet geherrscht, das 5x so groß war wie das heute noch übriggebliebene, aber Österreich kann es alleine, man braucht keine Annexion durch DE, wie die Österreicher nach Zerfall der Donaumonarchie glaubten, Annexion hatten wir schon einmal und ist uns nicht gut bekommen, die Deutschen waren so blöde und haben einen österr.Maler als Kanzler eingesetzt, jetzt beschuldigen diese Idioten immer das kleine Österreich, wer will zu solchen Unsympathlingen gehören
@@busodelor1977 naja, so auf stammtischniveau und aus der froschperspektive heraus kann man natürlich geschichte auch (zu) betreiben (versuchen)... ohne weitere worte.
@@michaelmeier7224 Google würde dir verraten, für wen der Niederöstereicher Michael Haydn den Coburg Marsch tatsächlich komponierte, wer da in Österreich-Ungarn diente
The German military band played The Coburg March in honour of King Charles III during his state visit at Bellevue Palace in Berlin, Germany.. RUclips · Brit Brit · 31 mars 2023
It's funny how protocol demanded the Queen stood up during that section of the parade and how...incidentally...the Coburg March was playing. it's like Her paying tribute to her ancestors...
It's not very clearly who is the composer of this march. It's only clear, that a part of its melody comes from a composition of M. Haydn, but the actual composition of this march is not absolute clear, some say it's possible this version was composed in this form by prince Albert, the husband of queen Victoria. I believe this statement may made the austrian Hitlers very angry, but this is common from this side.
Michael Haydn was from Lower Austria, he also composed the Pappenheimer Marsch, his brother Joseph composed the Kaiserquartett and later the Volkshymne for the House Habsburg. Later the Mofs took ist for anthem for Germany
Todays british royalty is basical of very german /coburg origin, so it is totally correct. This "Windsor" stuff was invented in WWI for camouflage because peole might ask some questions...
Its interesting to see how often the british play german marches. I also saw them playing The Hohenfriedberger at Trooping the colour. I think these old master pieces fit perfectly well into this old scenery with horses, classy uniforms e.g.
partly right. Its written in 1792 by an austrian (Johann Haydn) for german Prince von Sachsen Coburg (Coburg being a german city in bavaria). It is since then part of the german Armeemarschsammlung (March Collection of Germany) with Code AM I, 27. So of course it is austrian but its also part of german march music culture since more then 200 years as well.
Leutnant82 Na, mein des eh net so ernst, ihr spielts ja sowieso alle Märsche von uns rauf und runter ;) Nur manchmal regts einfach auf, dass alle glauben, dass österreichische Märsche deutsche Märsche sind, die Südamerikaner sind da schlimm. Wir haben einfach eine andere Marschkultur, ihr militärisch, wir eher so gemütlich und vielleicht etwas absichtlich schlampig gespielt. Leider kann man mit ein paar deiner Landsleute nicht so toll diskutieren.
@@claudio_safadinho Your pretty anachronistic, unhistorical and most likely pseudo-ethnic claim notwithstanding, this is an Austrian march; composed by an Austrian and dedicated to Josias von Coburg, one-time commander-in-chief of the Royal Imperial Austrian Army (which is not to be mistaken for the HRR's "Reichsarmee"), whence its original title _Josias-von-Coburg-Marsch._ The man fought against the Prussians, yet you think the march dedicated to him is Prussian! You are wrong on so many levels.
The English being anglo saxon sound a bit softer compared to Prussian Funnily enough,I have some recordings of saxon army marches played by the Bundeswehr that sounds terribly English Must be something to do with the Sachsen ?
Das war auch der Traditionsmarsch der 12. Panzerdivision in Veitshöchheim. Ich nehme mal an, dass die DLO den als "Nachnutzer" übernommen. Diese Version hat definitv einen interessanten britischen Klang.
@@Greg_Romford The original Coburger by Haydn was written for a much slower pace and with several changes of tempi. It was rearranged to make it both compatible with British slow marching, and with British military / infantry bands instrumentations. The Coburger is a cavalry "inspection march", written for a mounted band with kettle drums, fanfares etc. Instruments, the foot guards do not use. And as a military musician in the RM, you may keep the "nonsense" yourself.
@@user-ir7os6wh1w are you saying that until this latest arrangement the arrangement played for many decades by the household division bands as well as the regimental bands who shared the same regimental slow march (such as the Royal Hussars and Royal Lancers) was Haydn's original ? That no one in the British Army Music service had never produced an updated arrangement for modern military band in the 19th or 20th century? And that the arrangement they have been using was incompatible with the British slow march tempo. If so, how? I'd be genuinely interested to learn something new
@@Greg_Romford Ok huge misunderstanding from my side, I actually thought you were referring to Hayden's original as played by German or Austrian staff bands, not the arrangements that already existed for British military bands. My apologies. But from what I know, the Senior Director of Music or other DoMs often rearrange marches just for the Trooping or Beating Retreat, especially for non-British marches (e.g. Mollendorfer's Parade March etc.), be it personal touch or ordered from above. At least, that's also the case in the RMBS, and I suppose it's no different in the guards bands. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding and have a nice day mate
Ja hat das lied aber zu ehren eines Deutschen geschrieben, so gesehen ist der Coburgermarsch ein wunderbares Internationales Kulturgut, da es ein deutsch/österreichischer Marsch ist, der es auf Grund familierer Bindungen bis nach Großbritannien geschaft hat :)
ja immer wieder erstaunlich daß die Piefkes selber so wenig vor allem wenig mit Wiedererkennungswert zusammengebracht haben. Alle möglichen idiotischsten Konstruktionen führen sie da an. Sogar der vom Wiener Strauss 1848 komponerte Radetzkymarsch, zu Ehren des böhmischen Feldherrn muß ein Piefkemarsch sein, man erkennt an der Piefke-Haltung halt genau, daß sie Komlexe haben. Das Idiotischste, das wirklich Alleridiotischste von den Piefkes: Sie stellen bei einem Military-Auftritt in Edinburgh ihr Land mit dem Tiroler Kaiserjägermarsch und dem Tiroler Holzhackermarsch samt Prügel vor. Gibt es irgendwo noch solche Deppen, allein schon im Titel wird auf Österreich verwiesen und mit einer ausländ. Komposition stellen diese Blindgänger ihr Land im Ausland vor. Die Komponisten waren kuk-Kapellmeister, ich habe gar nicht gewußt, daß DE ein Teil von Kuk war!!!!!
@@busodelor1977 Ich würde Dir mal empfehlen, Dich etwas intensiver mit Marschmusik zu beschäftigen. Dann würdest Du nicht so einen Mist zusammenschreiben. Kennst Du die Namen Gottfried Piefke, Carl Teike, Adolf Scherzer oder Gottfried Rode? Nein? Schon mal was vom Hohenfriedberger Marsch oder dem Torgauer Marsch gehört? Von "Alte Kameraden" oder "Preußens Gloria"? Vermutlich auch nicht? Es ist ein himmelschreiender, minderwertigkeitskomplexbehafteter Unfug, den Du hier schreibst...
@@xAntiChristx1 mit allen möglichen typischen Piefke-Idiotien wollen diese Deppen verhindern, daß es eersichtlich ist, dß es sich um österr.Kompositionen handelt. Österreicher sind nicht so deppert, sie haben viele eigene schöne Kompositiopen, brauchen kein Piefke-Getöse, zu Ehren eines Deutschen...., der in AT diente und der Komponist war eben kein Piefke, sondern Österreicher, ihr Diebe
![Der Coburger [German march]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/COJPO7L0liw/mqdefault.jpg)
![Der Coburger [German march]](/img/tr.png)
I attended the parade last year, and was sat next to a......you guessed it....a German fella. We got on well, and I was surprised when he told me this parade is popular in Germany.
Coburg March by Michael Haydn Brother to Jospeh Haydn - Marsch des k. u. k. Infanterie Regiment Nr. 58 - Traditionsmarsch der 12. Panzerdivision in Veitshöcn hheim, Coburg is a cavalry presentation march. It was composed by Johann Michael Haydn around 1792/93 as Josias-Coburg march
Da kommen Heimatgefühle auf!!!👍
A reminder, if any were needed, of how the Queen and Prince Phillip lived a life of service to the end. God save the Queen.
During the time of the kingdom of hanover, this was also known as the march of the hanoverian artillery. It shared the same tune as the Coburger march.
correct title: Coburgmarsch, composed by Michael Haydn from Lower Austria, Austria!!!!!
i for some reason want a hannoverian regiment of foot guards now with red and white plumes
Perhaps white and yellow plumes would be more appropriate, the colours of the old Kingdom of Hanover
Indeed
marches were in use everywhere. Monarchs and royal family members brought them as gifts on occasion of state visits. Thus it can come that a swedish march of the finnish cavalry has a number in the register of prussian marches :)
Nice to see the British army still appreciate a German march...
jeder zweite marsch beim trooping ist preussisch, und der coburg-marsch vom musikalischen aufbau sowieso
Sorry to burst your fun, but Austria is actually a German country. Austria resides within the geographical region of 'Germania' if you look back in history actually. The Coburger Marsch was written for the Austrian army but did occasionaly get used by the Prussian Army, and later Imperial German Army.
Nassau is Wilhelm von Oranien = Dutch King, the house of Coburg is Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha. Greetings from Coburg, Germany
das war aber nur eine lose Verbindung, das hieß nicht, daß Österreich zu DE gehörte, kapiert ihr aber nicht
die Österreicher können es halt, das Komponieren
I love how nelson is just staring down at the whole thing
For any visitors who are irritated by the "germany or austria dispute here:
A "Germany" did not exist in the era the march was composed.
There were only a lot of semi-independent states of german culture. One of them (and the largest) was Austria.
The austrian ruler was overmore emperor of the Holy Roman Empire which united all those german states (and others as well).
Thus it is ridiculous to argue which "nationality" the march has, for any sophisticated person.
and by the way: the british royal dynasty has it's roots in the house of Coburg-Gotha to whose member Josias Coburg-Gotha this march was composed for.
Michael Meier The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, to be precise from the 16C onwards, out of which Prussia seceded.
die österr.Herrscher haben aber auch noch über ein anderes Gebiet geherrscht, das 5x so groß war wie das heute noch übriggebliebene, aber Österreich kann es alleine, man braucht keine Annexion durch DE, wie die Österreicher nach Zerfall der Donaumonarchie glaubten, Annexion hatten wir schon einmal und ist uns nicht gut bekommen, die Deutschen waren so blöde und haben einen österr.Maler als Kanzler eingesetzt, jetzt beschuldigen diese Idioten immer das kleine Österreich, wer will zu solchen Unsympathlingen gehören
@@busodelor1977 naja, so auf stammtischniveau und aus der froschperspektive heraus kann man natürlich geschichte auch (zu) betreiben (versuchen)... ohne weitere worte.
@@michaelmeier7224 Google würde dir verraten, für wen der Niederöstereicher Michael Haydn den Coburg Marsch tatsächlich komponierte, wer da in Österreich-Ungarn diente
The German military band played The Coburg March in honour of King Charles III during his state visit at Bellevue Palace in Berlin, Germany.. RUclips · Brit Brit · 31 mars 2023
I wish we would march in lines again😍
K.u.K Nr. 57 Infanterieregiment Prinz zu Sachsen-Coburg-Saalfeld, 1689 , Tarnów, 1. Bochnia, 2. Zenica* , Josias Coburg-Marsch, Michael Haydn
It's funny how protocol demanded the Queen stood up during that section of the parade and how...incidentally...the Coburg March was playing. it's like Her paying tribute to her ancestors...
It's not very clearly who is the composer of this march. It's only clear, that a part of its melody comes from a composition of M. Haydn, but the actual composition of this march is not absolute clear, some say it's possible this version was composed in this form by prince Albert, the husband of queen Victoria.
I believe this statement may made the austrian Hitlers very angry, but this is common from this side.
This was also the Regimental slow march for the 11th Hussars (PAO)
Yes, thank you.
and it was composed byan Ausgtria, Michael Haydn, Lower Austria
And that's why WW1 has been the single worst event in human history. We miss you, Blessed and Sacred Europe. Greetings from Italy
do they always play it that fast?
Grandiose!
The 11th Hussars Regimental slow march was “Coburg” and was composed by
M. Haydn, Queen Victoria’s aunt.
Michael Haydn was from Lower Austria, he also composed the Pappenheimer Marsch, his brother Joseph composed the Kaiserquartett and later the Volkshymne for the House Habsburg. Later the Mofs took ist for anthem for Germany
Mi chael the aunt, gehts noch dümmer, es ist doch chon interessant, wie dumm die Herrenrasse ist
@@busodelor1977 Armesch Luder, dasch ...
@@busodelor1977da mag wohl wer keine Deutschen
Todays british royalty is basical of very german /coburg origin, so it is totally correct. This "Windsor" stuff was invented in WWI for camouflage because peole might ask some questions...
Notice the horse next to the queen bobbing his head to the melody? Even the horse gets it, theres no march music like the germanic people can make!
Its interesting to see how often the british play german marches. I also saw them playing The Hohenfriedberger at Trooping the colour. I think these old master pieces fit perfectly well into this old scenery with horses, classy uniforms e.g.
That´s an austrian march.
partly right. Its written in 1792 by an austrian (Johann Haydn) for german Prince von Sachsen Coburg (Coburg being a german city in bavaria). It is since then part of the german Armeemarschsammlung (March Collection of Germany) with Code AM I, 27. So of course it is austrian but its also part of german march music culture since more then 200 years as well.
Leutnant82
Habt ihr ja mal wieder erfolgreich geklaut.
stell dich nicht so an mein österreichischer freund. Ich sage doch es ist ein Österreicher Marsch, ein sehr schöner noch dazu.
Leutnant82 Na, mein des eh net so ernst, ihr spielts ja sowieso alle Märsche von uns rauf und runter ;)
Nur manchmal regts einfach auf, dass alle glauben, dass österreichische Märsche deutsche Märsche sind, die Südamerikaner sind da schlimm. Wir haben einfach eine andere Marschkultur, ihr militärisch, wir eher so gemütlich und vielleicht etwas absichtlich schlampig gespielt. Leider kann man mit ein paar deiner Landsleute nicht so toll diskutieren.
This was totally butchering this beautiful march,
This is the one and only true version of this wonderfull german march...Coburger marsch
correct title: Coburg Marsch, composed by the Austrian Michael Haydn
actually Coburger marsch isn't as fast as this. It is played slowly.
ruclips.net/video/7OAsPdb-81k/видео.html
@@busodelor1977 We Austrians are German too.
Impresionante; saludos y felicitaciones desde Lima (mi20/I/2021)-Perú-América.
Great to see this in respectful memory of the Prussian Royal house.
This march ist from Austria
@@rainerschmitz9329 fair enough the Hapsburgs then!!
@@rainerschmitz9329 It´s not. That time Austria belonged to the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. The march is Prussian/German.
@@claudio_safadinho Your pretty anachronistic, unhistorical and most likely pseudo-ethnic claim notwithstanding, this is an Austrian march; composed by an Austrian and dedicated to Josias von Coburg, one-time commander-in-chief of the Royal Imperial Austrian Army (which is not to be mistaken for the HRR's "Reichsarmee"), whence its original title _Josias-von-Coburg-Marsch._ The man fought against the Prussians, yet you think the march dedicated to him is Prussian! You are wrong on so many levels.
The tempo is wrong.
The tempo is perfect for the 60-62 paces slow march for the British drill manual. :p
The English being anglo saxon sound a bit softer compared to Prussian
Funnily enough,I have some recordings of saxon army marches played by the Bundeswehr that sounds terribly English
Must be something to do with the Sachsen ?
Das war auch der Traditionsmarsch der 12. Panzerdivision in Veitshöchheim. Ich nehme mal an, dass die DLO den als "Nachnutzer" übernommen. Diese Version hat definitv einen interessanten britischen Klang.
Das ist der Sachsen mitt tonne in dem Englisher und Deutsche geschishter
This video ruined my life of the uniform they wear just like i wear in Roblox (My name is Tankhunjn) i though the uniform is thai
Awesome; greetings and congratulations from Lima (Wednesday 20 / I / 2021) -Perú-América.
Whats This... The British Singing Austria's Song
If you hear them singing you need a hearing aid.
the march was written für a General serving in Austrria,
German - The Coburg's
@@nigelmaund9057 No! Jos. Coburg was in the Kingdom of Saxony! At this time Germany doesnt exist!
@@fuzzi01 Coburg was never in the kingdom of Saxony ...
Thanks very much, I've been wondering what this march was called.
ruclips.net/video/3zPOaW5Oabg/видео.html this link shows a German historical version of it.
Why the new arrangement?
To make it compatible with British slow marching pace.
@@user-ir7os6wh1w nonsense, both arrangements can be played at the correct tempo for the British slow March (60 paces/minute).
@@Greg_Romford The original Coburger by Haydn was written for a much slower pace and with several changes of tempi. It was rearranged to make it both compatible with British slow marching, and with British military / infantry bands instrumentations. The Coburger is a cavalry "inspection march", written for a mounted band with kettle drums, fanfares etc. Instruments, the foot guards do not use. And as a military musician in the RM, you may keep the "nonsense" yourself.
@@user-ir7os6wh1w are you saying that until this latest arrangement the arrangement played for many decades by the household division bands as well as the regimental bands who shared the same regimental slow march (such as the Royal Hussars and Royal Lancers) was Haydn's original ? That no one in the British Army Music service had never produced an updated arrangement for modern military band in the 19th or 20th century? And that the arrangement they have been using was incompatible with the British slow march tempo. If so, how? I'd be genuinely interested to learn something new
@@Greg_Romford Ok huge misunderstanding from my side, I actually thought you were referring to Hayden's original as played by German or Austrian staff bands, not the arrangements that already existed for British military bands. My apologies. But from what I know, the Senior Director of Music or other DoMs often rearrange marches just for the Trooping or Beating Retreat, especially for non-British marches (e.g. Mollendorfer's Parade March etc.), be it personal touch or ordered from above. At least, that's also the case in the RMBS, and I suppose it's no different in the guards bands. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding and have a nice day mate
Michael Haydn war Österreicher!
Ja hat das lied aber zu ehren eines Deutschen geschrieben, so gesehen ist der Coburgermarsch ein wunderbares Internationales Kulturgut, da es ein deutsch/österreichischer Marsch ist, der es auf Grund familierer Bindungen bis nach Großbritannien geschaft hat :)
jeder zweite marsch bei trooping the colour ist preussischer herkunft
ja immer wieder erstaunlich daß die Piefkes selber so wenig vor allem wenig mit Wiedererkennungswert zusammengebracht haben. Alle möglichen idiotischsten Konstruktionen führen sie da an. Sogar der vom Wiener Strauss 1848 komponerte Radetzkymarsch, zu Ehren des böhmischen Feldherrn muß ein Piefkemarsch sein, man erkennt an der Piefke-Haltung halt genau, daß sie Komlexe haben.
Das Idiotischste, das wirklich Alleridiotischste von den Piefkes: Sie stellen bei einem Military-Auftritt in Edinburgh ihr Land mit dem Tiroler Kaiserjägermarsch und dem Tiroler Holzhackermarsch samt Prügel vor. Gibt es irgendwo noch solche Deppen, allein schon im Titel wird auf Österreich verwiesen und mit einer ausländ. Komposition stellen diese Blindgänger ihr Land im Ausland vor. Die Komponisten waren kuk-Kapellmeister, ich habe gar nicht gewußt, daß DE ein Teil von Kuk war!!!!!
@@busodelor1977 Ich würde Dir mal empfehlen, Dich etwas intensiver mit Marschmusik zu beschäftigen. Dann würdest Du nicht so einen Mist zusammenschreiben. Kennst Du die Namen Gottfried Piefke, Carl Teike, Adolf Scherzer oder Gottfried Rode? Nein? Schon mal was vom Hohenfriedberger Marsch oder dem Torgauer Marsch gehört? Von "Alte Kameraden" oder "Preußens Gloria"? Vermutlich auch nicht?
Es ist ein himmelschreiender, minderwertigkeitskomplexbehafteter Unfug, den Du hier schreibst...
@@xAntiChristx1 mit allen möglichen typischen Piefke-Idiotien wollen diese Deppen verhindern, daß es eersichtlich ist, dß es sich um österr.Kompositionen handelt. Österreicher sind nicht so deppert, sie haben viele eigene schöne Kompositiopen, brauchen kein Piefke-Getöse,
zu Ehren eines Deutschen...., der in AT diente und der Komponist war eben kein Piefke, sondern Österreicher, ihr Diebe
Why must HM scowl on these occasions?
Because that's her normal face?
We, sailors, don't smile when on duty.
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