Ruslan PRESSES Johnathan Pageau on Praying to Mary & Saints
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2024
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As a person who grew up as an Asian Buddhist..praying to the saints kinda sounds like praying to dead ancestors
I'm at the beginning of his explanation and I literally do not ask the author of the book I'm reading to show me what God showed them. That has never crossed my mind one time. Instead because I know this is the inspired word of God I ask God what he is saying in the scripture. This is probably the biggest thing that I can't get my leg over with orthodoxy or Roman catholicism. No one has ever been able to give me a logical benefit of this. It's literally like saying " yeah you can go into the throne room .....but instead go into the green room! "
I don’t ask Paul to help me understand what Paul wrote. I ask The Holy Spirit to help me understand what The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write.
I've never met a true believer in Christ who said if I become more like Paul then I'll be more like Christ. Paul.stated he was chief among sinners. And I'm right there with Paul, I only aim to be more Christ like, not Paul. Being closer to Christ makes me closer to Christ, not Paul
Shout out to Ruslan for giving the brothers space to speak and not just want to argue. As a former Calvinist( and now Orthodox Christian ) I found it refreshing
I feel like ima just play it safe and pray to and through Jesus
“No one comes to the father except through me” was good enough for me to know who to pray to.
Why do we overcomplicate things? Jesus clearly said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one can get through the Father, except through the Son" John 14:6
There is only one Mediator between God and man. I Timothy 2:5-6
Brothers, Jesus was so clear when He told us, “i am the way the truth and the life… NO ONE comes to the father if NOT THROUGH ME”
As a protestant ive never prayed to Paul or hoped to be more like Paul. Hes a saint bc the early church made him one. He would say (does say) don't look to him, look to Christ.
I just don’t understand why you would want to do that. Just based on logic. Jesus tore the veil so that we can come directly to the presence of God the father. Jesus literally died for that reconciliation and that direct communication.
When I read scripture I am looking to be more like Christ and to learn from what God has revealed through them my thoughts is never to be like Paul but to be like Christ
If I’m asking dead people to help me, demons might use that as a way to give me false sign’s.
“For there is one God, and ONE mediator between God and man, the man CHRIST JESUS.”
Applauding Ruslan’s gracious posture towards them and not being combative but asking good questions 🙌🏼
Yeah I just can’t say I’ve ever been reading the scriptures and found myself asking for Paul to reveal anything to me, nor am I aiming to be more like him. I ask God to give me revelation, and aim to be more like Jesus (just like Paul was). Paul’s an amazing example of how to live a Christian life but Christ is literally THE example.
In my thirty years of reading the Bible and being around other Protestant believers, I’ve never known anyone “to ask for help from someone who lived a long time ago on earth “. It hasn’t even crossed my mind to do so
“Asking” those who are asleep to pray for us seems to give an omnipresence to them like a god.