How to add NATURAL SPACE to your Tracks!
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- Add life and space to your production by Re-Rooming your tracks!
German producer Kristian Kohle (Aborted, Powerwolf, Eskimo Callboy, Hämatom, Van Canto, Sinister, Benighted), shows you how he captures his live room to add more space to his drum tracks.
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RE- ROOMING audio tracks! What else should I try? Any cool ideas from your side?
Make an IR of this type of reverb sound. Afterwards, carry out an A/B comparison of the real-time, fully analog reverb against the IR reverb when applied to the same track.
What about harsh vocals or some nasty synths? 🤔 Btw I have one NTR for 2 months and love it. Sounds fantastic! Hope I'll find second one, I was lucky with the one (290€ used) 😁.
Something I did recently is to take the Spring Reverb tank of an amp that I have and make an IR out of it. I ran the IR once with reverb on full, and then a second time with reverb on 0, and then I flipped the polarity on the dry version. It turned out really cool, especially after cancelling out most of the dry sound of the amp and cab.
maybe sound design for metal or wathever genre! or some intresting psychoacustic phenomenos? Cheers from México!
awesome trick !! 🤘🏼 🍻
I love doing this! On an album a few years ago I had to mix a couple of songs tracked by other people to match my own Productions and did exactly the same thing to match the drum sounds!
Yup, that works soooo well! Thanks! I've smashed all the smashers!
Salutations from astonishingly sunny, chilly & oddly back to normal Ireland! ☘☮🤘🏽🤠👍🏽☮☘
I used to do this all the time when I only had 8 inputs. Id capture the drums with close mics and once the band was done tracking id go back in and make room tracks for all the songs. Worked like a chaml every time. I didn't have as good of a monitor or as good of a room but I still got very usable results. I'm very happy to see all these years later someone else doing it. Makes me feel a tiny bit less crazy. Lol
Good story!
Sure this also works with a less professional monitor or a less treated room!
@@KohleAudioKult oh for sure! In fact I felt like the less than perfect situation made for a unique sound and had a "spice" that pulled it all together in a very pleasing way. It also forced me to think outside the box which is the specific reason I enjoy recording and mixing. I love taking creative approaches.
what a fantastic idea!!! Being able to control the compression, eq after recording according to what you hear in that room. It's freaking brilliant!
Great idea!
christian .the work you did on the aborted drums is a masterpiece in metal drum sound...
🤘❤️
Well done, Kristian! Those were some pretty great results right out of the gate. It definitely adds depth and 'realism' to the tracks.
I am now inspired to go into all my old superior drummer tracks and rerooming them thank you so much for this video
You’re welcome! Go wild! 💪❤️
Worth every bit of what you paid for it. The low end was so clean. Cheers 🍻
Man it's just one monitor, but it's huge!!! Very nice video !!!
Love it! What a super cool idea. Thanks Kohle. So appreciate all you do!
Lol, that's a neat trick. Love it Kohle 👌
Great video great so sounds great audio. 👍 great show
Thanks and welcome! 🤘🤪❤️
This is great! I was thinking about doing this with guitars and other tracks actually. Nice to know it’s not a crazy idea!
no crazy idea at all!
Very very cool idea. I will definitely try this
You better do! It’s a lot of fun!
Great idea! When I worked for the film composer Christopher Young years ago, I remember hearing he would oftentimes do this for sampled instruments that sounded kind of 'lifeless' - in particular big church organ sample libraries. For 'Drag Me To Hell', he had the guys in his office play the organ track in the hallway and they recorded the massive reverb that would happen. It works! Huge (quiet) empty parking garages are also really cool for this experiment. But be warned that if there's security, they will most likely kick you out. I know from experience ;)
Dope ass movie!
Love it!
Nice this is a proper old skool technique, in fact this is how Reverb used to be made in a studio. cool to see someone doing this
Exactly! And it’s good ol‘ fun! 🤘🤪
The drums sounds great!!!
Well done!
🤘🤪❤️
great trick. Once upon a time, this Trick was used to record the "Superunknown" album by Soundgarden. the album sounds fantastic to this day
Oh really? Cool! Do you know what they did exactly?
This could also be used to re-room the whole band (as if they were playing live in same room) Might be cool to try.
Good idea!
Can confirm this is an awesome technique. Recorded a band in a 'live' room, but everybody was direct except for drums. Later did two room reamping passes: guitar and then keyboards. Mix those stereo files back in a little and it cured the 'dryness' I couldn't kill to my satisfaction with any reverb plugin I tried
Room tracks (real or fake) are a great glue! 🤘
@@KohleAudioKult I had spent well over an hour in software reverbs and couldn't get happy with it. Re-amped that live room and immediately had that live on the floor sound, but super controllable. Glue, indeed.
This is like a master class. Fucking love it -- thanks Kristian. HAPPY EASTER!
what an awesome idea! Great as usual!
I'd love to hear a re-room from a basketball court or small theater. Cool idea.
Yeah! I gotta do something like that!
I discovered that the cleanest "realest" way to record impulse responses is to make a balloon explode by overinflating it. The resulting IR is "omnidirectional" if that makes sense, and full range, and truly capture the room. Better than popping the balloon too, for sure. I would try re-rooming it with an IR made using THAT method. Mic the shit out of your live room and then blow up balloons.
And how do you remove the 🎈 to create the IR?
@@KohleAudioKult the balloon pop IS the IR. You literally just cut away all the silence in front of the pop, up until the nearest possible zero crossing, and that's it.
Great content!!!
Amazing Work!!!
Great as always! Bruce swedien did this on a lot of stuff
Great video, thanks 😁
ohh, it sounds so nice!
Now, this is a great way to re-room!! Especially if the original is not up to par... Fantastic!
Back in the day studios used to use this type of technique all the time for reverb and delay. Countless records were done like this. I'm glad he's showing it here, because it's almost become forgotten.
I feel like I need to re-room my life.
Haha! 🤘🤓🤪
But for real though this is awesome content! I learned so much from watching these.
I love new vids from this channel. As a musician who has recorded a few times, I love learning.
Your explanations have inspired me to start recording and mixing my own tracks.
🤘
Wow! Great to hear that! And welcome to the world recording!
This is so cool.
Great Kohle.
Will you do UAD SD1 vs SM7B
Could be interesting. sE Electronics have also just released something similar.
Kristian, did you do anything to the re-amped tracks to correct any phasing issues, or did it just come out already sounding good?
Nope I just used them the way they are. I usually just check the phase.
I actually had a idea like that from david gibsons videos and is know realising I am right! WOoo!
Great idea. ;) Love it. \m/
The original recording sounded great, but after the meeting with Your Room.. wow! Now, *that* is a drum sound!
I head that you have samples and IR responses.. so I guess I just have to join the email-list then. 😁
I’ve used this trick in various ways. One time the guitarist thought I’ve lost my mind when I directed the mics at the wall and not at the acoustic guitar.
I’ve used a guitar-amp in a big room to re-record drums the way you did.
That’s the the fun thing with being a sound engineer: There are endless possibilities and crazy ideas. It never ends!
Did I mention that I love your Room of Boom?
Edit: oh crap, I didn’t.
I love your Room of Boom!
Haha! Thanks man!
You’ll get plenty of cool samples and IRs and of course education once my academy is out in October! Didn’t you see me tracking drum samples and IRs in that huuuge swimming pool lately?
So yes, join the email list! 🤩🤘❤️
Awesome stuff! Please apologise for the n00b question, but how do you send a stereo signal (drum group) through a mono speaker? Or do you use two speakers in your live room?
You can send it in mono, so a drum kit in the middle of a room it's almost perceved as a mono source. You are interested in picking the with of the room, not the drum kit in that situation. But, of course, you can use two speakers if you like, aways being careful on phase relation
What Aniol said! Mono is fine.
This comes in handy if someone has provided drum tracks where the cymbals are too loud in the room mics. Send a "shells only" or "cymbals really low" drum mix to the speaker in the live room and record the new room mic tracks with the desired drum mix balance.
Exactly!
Curious if this could be somewhat achieved with a reverb IR.. On the note of IR's, have you tried blending cab IR's on snare/kicks?. Started doing this to get a bit more "oompf" and character (as well as some phase trickery).
You got some nice ideas!
Just when you cut from standing into your live room to your control room, the difference of ambient sound was super noticeable. I would love to stand in both rooms and listen with my own ears rather than through youtube recordings. Really nice video.
Oh yeah, the “live” to “dead” sounding transition is quite extreme, haha!
Very cool trick! Awesome!
Thanks and have fun*beer! :)
A Barefaced cab would sound awesome in that room.
Great video Kristian! Fist time I noticed the SPL transient designers in your rack. How are you liking them? Curious how you'd use them vs a DBX style compressor. Do they have a similar transient response?
I use them all the time when I’m tracking drums.
insane lowend!
The Eve speaker really moves some air!
@@KohleAudioKult it's so because the sound interacts with the room in a realistic way (duh lol) and i think that's what makes it sound so much more powerfull!
I love doing reverbs like that what I don’t like is when the metal bits of my HVAC system ring and echo throughout my house when I get loud.
My bathroom makes an awesome slap back verb with a few mics and a medium quality speaker 🤘🏽.
I still miss having access to a massive plate verb.
I noticed you using the WA-412 preamps for the room mics. Is there any reason you used those over the API preamps? I own both sets, so I'm just curious. I was thinking output trim, but it looks maxed out.
The Warm preamps have a little less of that API tone, which means a little cleaner, but they sound nice.
Room mics usually go through the Warms because of the output trim even if it wasn’t used here.
@@KohleAudioKult I prefer the WA pre's more often than not for what I do, but I am curious what other professionals think. Both the Warm Audio and the API are super hot preamps, so having the output trim so easily accessible is pretty sweet.
@@legacyShredder1 do the WA 412 really stand up to the API? I own a few mics by WA. They sound great....that being said I do have "higher end" mics and sometimes end up just using those. WA preamps I have not had a chance to test out though. I would love to in the near future.
@@manuellujan5625 As far as quality of sound is concerned yes, however they aren't really a clone of anything specific; They're just great preamps. Keep in mind that API variants sound different, too. As far as the WA microphones, those again aren't a 1:1 clone, and even if they were you would have to go find the exact mic they were replicating. I've tried out a line of 6 different Neumann U47 tube mics, and they all sounded so different from one another. Some of them so different they could be from a different line or brand in terms of sound.
I own insanely expensive mics, preamps, and various other gear. The price doesn't matter. It really doesn't. If you want a piece of gear because that's the one and only way to get that exact sound, then go spend money on the "high end," I suppose. There is no magical difference that some much cheaper piece from some much cheaper brand can't give you, too.
I own the expensive stuff, because I bought into that magical thinking; "If I only had that (insert $5,000 item here) then this would be perfect!" It's bullshit. The sum total of the parts inside most of these units don't cost anywhere near what they sell for. I know this, because I've built them 1:1 identical without getting a discount for buying parts in bulk. What are we buying for these prices? We're paying for an established name from an era where little competition existed. We're paying for a limited supply. We're paying for hand built in Germany, Switzerland, USA. We're paying an upcharge due to the vintage models selling for a huge price. Paying for prestige.
We certainly aren't paying for expensive components.
Here is my point in this book of a comment: I own Neve's, and they're great. I own API, and they're great. I own Neumann's, and they're great.
I own Warm Audio, and they're great. I own SE Electronics, and they're great. I own Beyerdynamic, and they're great. I own some ART gear, and dude it's fantastic.
Parts soldered together in Mexico don't sound different from the same parts soldered together in Germany, USA, or China. Good is Good.
@@manuellujan5625 I will add a caveat in my comment for the brand Manley. Those folks are engineering spaceships.
Thought soothe was overrated but it did wonders on that room track! Actually made it sound more natural
Soothe is awesome!
Great!!!🤘
Cheers Kristian! Say, if you captured the IR of those mics and that speaker in that room, then you could essentially do all of this processing digitally? You'd have to use a clipping plugin to simulate overdriving the ADCs, but everything else is digital?
And if you can do that, then those of us without a room could use an IR plugin with any impulse response of any room, and we could do the same entirely in the box?
It would definitely be less fun, but it is more accessible.
Sure! But as you say, it’s no fun at all in comparison! 🤘🤪
Oh shit! That’s a great idea!! That’s some engineering Einstein shit! I can kinda make my electronic drums sound almost really better sounding! Thanks man! haha.
Won't the low end on the rooms cause problems with the low end of the bassguitar?
As much as I usually like low end in roommics when listening to drums in solo, I do often cut it out because of this.
Does clipping the inputs cause any harm to the equipment? I like that idea. Seems to give that snare some nice crack
Nope! Just make sure you don’t blast neither ears nor speakers!
@@KohleAudioKult ears are already fucked anyway 😂
Great!
Maybe try something like an Audix ADX60 just for fun? For tracks that need a bit of extra punch.
Great video as usual. Made me go back and change my SD3 template to make the output sound a bit more 'real'.
I have never tried that Audix PZM. How does it sound?
Loooooooooove this!
Sick 🤘
F*cking genius technique
Is that a big gobo next to your mesa cab? If so, can you talk about it a little?
What do you wanna know?
@@KohleAudioKult What do you use it for mostly? Did you make it yourself? Did you purchase it? What's the material inside of it? Is there an air gap between materials? Is there more than one type of material on the inside?
I make gobos. Locally I make gobos for smaller studios and home studio guys and girls. I try to pick the the brain of the folks running and using the big budget studios about their gobos, panels, and treatments so I can continue making mine better and more affordable for the small guys around my area.
When I see Cubase's interface changed the way it was in 5th version it makes me feel happy cause I do exactly the same 😁
Yeah, for me it's 4...
We need an IR from The Room of Boom!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Buy a room reverb plugin for 30$? No, wrong!
Just buy a house, large monitor and pair of ribbons. Easy!
Thank you, Kohle)
Haha! It’s all about inspiration not about taking the cheapest and easiest way. 😇🤩
@@KohleAudioKult, this is the easiest way to show that you are rich lol) I used this technique once, in bomb shelter for a brasses. Stage monitor system+condencer mic, but same idea.
i think the idea is somewhat usable in some other contexts, it doesn't have to be a perfect room to add character, and even with perfection, renting an hour of a great studio room to do this, is not a bad idea...
The cheapest trick is to flush your sm57 down your toilet with a long xlr cable. Then play back desired audio with your c-cassette player from 80's directly above the toilet seat and record with your daw. Then mix this recorded 100% wet signal with your original material. Good shit!
Mega!
Works with a PA system too!
what about doing the same thing but with a cab instead of a monitor speaker??
That’s on the list too!
Could I use my Ampeg bass amp? It is very clean sounding.
It’s not gonna be as clean as a Hi-Fi or studio amp, but that doesn’t mean the results can’t be great
@@KohleAudioKult I guess I will still try, what will it hurt like you said. I do have regular 8 inch studio monitors and a sound system with a sub. So lots of experiments that will more likely end horribly but could spice up my mix.
@@KohleAudioKult Thanks for replying!!!!
@@NecroAeon666 you're welcome!
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@@KohleAudioKult Trust me I intend to after finishing my current recording projects so I can properly focus on the lessons!
This way it's a lot of work. Why not using some convolution room sounds?
It's just a few clicks. And it's way more fun.
Put two mics. One at 30 degrees above center. One at center and two on left and right 8 inches away 30 degrees side ways
You’re talking about close miking the speaker?
Might wanna update Soothe! 😆
Why?
@@KohleAudioKult For the same reason Audiority releases new builds of your Grindstein plug in. Bugs fixes and improvements.
Habe ich vor einigen Jahren auch mal gemacht in einer alten Kasernenküche. Inzwischen ist dort eine Brauerei drin. Gibt schlimmeres 😎🍻
Beer Rerooming! 👌🔥
Das habe ich letztens auch mal probiert. Ist echt geil, werde ich öfters mal machen. Man Kann ja auch noch diese aufgenommene Spuren minimal verschieben. Wenn man die Größe verändern will
Stimmt. Man muss nur aufpassen mit der Phase!
@@KohleAudioKult ja stimmt danke. Da muss ich mal drauf achten
And that folks is why convolution reverb exists. ;)
Combo? 😱🤘
@@KohleAudioKult If you convolute your room or take an IR or however u wanna call it, you will not have to reamp your any more. As you already know cos you are an IR master ;)
BTW I love your channel. really cool stuff on it!!! Hugs from Barcelona!
@@aniolbestit9357 I was just kidding!
Of course I know I could create an IR.
I just prefer to setup different mics in different spots for each task.
I just takes 5 minutes anyway..
Ahahahaha I know, I guess I'm just a lazy guy 😉😉
How does "Ambient Match" from Izotope works for this? anyone tried? curious
what's that?
This technique was also used by Rich Mouser.
And two more diagonally 30 degrees facing away from the speaker
Why dont you just make an IR pf your room? Ir based reverb is a known thing
That’s on the list!
I just need to do some further miking experiments first.
Metallica's drums style of recording?
🤔Boss just i think your make one drum in ORIGNEL LEADER & FILL that SOUND but dont COMPARE it other it keep in your beadroom just try it #########**
That's a cool way to get your own studio's room sound into recordings done elsewhere! I guess you could potentially do that with every instrument/vocals to get a full band in your room. Especially with the way a lot of session artists and collaborations are recorded remotely (e.g that Turning Point song) it's cool that you could glue them together with real reverb from your studio.😎
And yes definitely wanna see this done in a church with the most satanic black metal band possible. 😈
duh shid go boooooooooooooom
I don't have the possibility to record in a big room, but next time I will try to record the hallway to the recording room, could be interesting. Better than just recording the shitty room.
A big room is great, but you can also try a room with some decent reflections. For example try miking your tiled bathroom.
And justice for all …. They had all kinds of room mics but didn’t use them in the mix.
I lucked out getting an open floor plan house and most walls are at different angles so it makes a great drum room using two slate ml1’s sitting in front of kick drum looking out to get the most distance. It fills in the girth so well 🍆
Some one should make a plugin and call it "Chamber". :)
Bing Satan to the church 😂😂. Ich geh jetzt ins Stiegenhaus.
this is what its about @:)
you should seriously do a drum pack k, you have one of the best rooms ive heard, i multi layer mics from vsts as dont have the space, xln audio should do an ad3 pack with you,killer
That is definitely on the list.
So many projects so little time! 😣
@@KohleAudioKult respect, yes its worse at 50 lol, must be the universe expanding im up before 5am, youtube takes 3 percious hours from me each dawn, but the sun demands vibrations :) on we loudly go, i will enjoy your list some more :)
W000t! We write the year 2022 and he uses an echo chamber. But what the hell. If it works, that is great!
Haha! Whatever is inspiring!
''Bring Satan to the Church'' hahaha
Yeah! Making this world more evil again! 🤪