Pound 2022 Top 24 - BacoN (Dr. Mario) Vs. Riddles (Terry, Kazuya) SSBU Smash Ultimate Tournament
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2022
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I have never been happier seeing a character like Dr Mario come this far 🥹
Genuine respect. I love riddles and was hoping for him to win, but dang bacon’s doc has got some moves!
And get bodied 🥹🥹🥹. You love to see it
Bacon is probably one of the best Dr. Mario’s around
@@Velune I looked him up after this and he definitely is cracked on the DR.
He completely outplayed him in the first two games, then he got ToD'd for landing an up-smash and he got frustrated sadly
Bacon is insane to make it this far with Dr. Mario
And with the worst character in entire game too, shows how balanced ult truly is
@@janswhatsupdoc Isabelle
@@nathanlevesque7812 bros forgetting ganon
Nah man docs way worst, don’t get me wrong ganon and Isabelle are pretty much unviable but even they have more of a niche than doc would would ever have
@@janswhatsupdoc no they don't. Doc at least has a good projectile and an air game. Hes worse than Isabelle but not worse than Ganon.
I feel like the 0 to death combo really got to Bacon.. all in all great Dr Mario Gameplay, keep it up!
I think Riddles psyched up and just started dominating once he got the download.
Ayo wtf did I just watch? That 0 to death combo completely obliterated the momentum
Ayoooo?!?
I did not expect a Dr. Mario in Top 24, but what a happy surprise! 😭
This set was a complete 0-100 switch in momentum for riddles. Really hype to see doc come this far, if it was against any other player I'd be rooting for him but riddles is my rep out here. Amazing and explosive set
He just needed to warm up
Yeah, DLC punish game really came to the rescue for your hero, he really needed it too
@@Bladieblah Cope harder
@@shaghilathar3588 this is why we can’t have balance
@@magic4266 Refer to my previous comment. It's a pure skill issue
Game 1 was so hype. But Riddles comboing the sh*t out of Bacon to make the comeback was just insane. After that Bacon was just shook
It's amazing how easy it is for Kazuya to lower your morale in 2 combos.
@@johnmaco hard to execute
@@vegetatheveggie2547very hard
Congrats on gettin doc to top 24 that says a lot.
Dang!
BacoN played well, but once Riddles adapted to the match-up, Doc quickly fell apart.
It's a shame how much he's outclassed by Terry & Kazuya.
Good set from both players.
It was not even a need for adaptation. He kept SDing and dropping his own stuff. He was just not playing that well first game.
@@extonjonas6820 ?
@@Runner4Life543 Riddles did not play well the first game? What confused you?
@@extonjonas6820 probably the pronoun use
The doctor can’t handle that DLC cheese lmaoo
Feels bad to see BacoN come this far with Doc only to be forced to acknowledge that Doc just isn't good enough for him to advance with. The fear after convincingly losing game 2 to Kazuya is real as you can tell by the look on his face. Hopefully he gets a chance to face Riddles again.
As a doc main, you are completely correct. BaconN might be proving me wrong but I legit think Doc is one of if not the worst character in the game with his low speed, short range, & horrid recovery. I'm impressed to see him this high in a tourney though.
Im sure this doc only gotten this far due to many players like kola dqing.
@@melek_the_weird Nah, Doc is low tier, but not on the level of Little Mac or Ganondorf, I mean he has a Tornado almost full invincible and can get you to clutch moments.
@@nomado.3855 doc is worse than ganon and mac
@@sahlaysta3399 no he's not lol. Not even close. He still has good frame data, good aerials, a broken down b, an oos option that kills at 100, a great projectile and reflector and the kill power of a heavy. He's definitely not good, but he's way better than Ganon lol
Game 2 was pretty much "im dlc and youre not"
Mate kazuyas high tier at best. It wasn't a tier thing trust me
@@shaghilathar3588 doc is still a bottom 3 character tho
@@shaghilathar3588 tf? Dont really see where i said tier. Learn to read maybe?
@@biledox5576 True but that has nothing to do with DLC
@@jiddkorr4870 The only reason a DLC would be better is if you're saying he's a higher tier
i love rods commentary so much. the “THATS OD” got me so hype
Rod the goat 🐐
❤️
Kazuya is by far the most polarizing and punishing character in Smash. He can kill you in 3 interactions. Playing against a Kazuya, you need a lot of matchup experience and a solid game plan, and not so many characters can deal with him.
Its gonna be interesting seeing top players deal with the DEMON.
fr kazuya is straight cringe
@@BUHDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA nah
@@BUHDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA fr you just trash at the game
@@BUHDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA You know the guy above was saying kazuya was cool right?
@Master Shifu kazuya is pretty cringe ngl
5:44 that was just insane
As a Dr Mario main, this makes me happy
He almost lost to Doc and then realized "oh shit i'm playing better doc xd"
5:43 watch as Doc gets punished for landing an attack successfully by getting touch of deathed.
I think moves that are minus on hit like this aren't *innately* bad, but alongside characters with punish games like Kazuya... It just feels so bad.
Eh an up smash at 0? That was a pretty poor option. Shouldn’t be going for smash attacks when your opponent is at such low percent. Also Kazuya is heavy AF.
idk why you should ever be punished for connecting an attack
@@realchezboi he was at low percent. That wasn't really going to do anything
You would not last playing mvc
Poor option choice from bacon since he should know his character weaknesses
after game 1 it was like riddles was like "oh yeah dr. mario sucks."
Electric wind god fist
More like "my character zero to deaths off a throw, so even if I get completely outplayed it doesn't matter,"
@@Ewodist I will and I will be cheering everytime one of them gets eliminated
@@Ewodist Use your brain, as a Kazuya main you normally don't have to but if you try it you can figure it out
@@Ewodist You go out of your way to harass me when I'm just stating facts and providing an alternative perspective. Neutral is fine, because you have a move that is quicker than game and watch upsmash, is invincible on startup and beats any falling or short hop aerial, and which kills at 0 and any percent above that.
Leo couldn't win a bo5 from Riddles Kazuya while playing "fundamentals" the character (Marth), if Kazuya had bad neutral and struggled against players with good neutral that would have been impossible. Mr.E also lost a Kazuya while being a seasoned veteran. And funnily enough when a top player like ESAM picked the character up he destroyed Riddles with him. Kazuya is a gamble and execution character, a complete gimmick. It's high variance BS, the entire game is just him banking on guessing right once to take the stock. You can even see Leo shake his head after one of the games against Riddles (one he won), Zomba too.
Kazuya came though to reverse that momentum on that game 1 Terry loss.
Doc in top 24? Insane
Does Dr Mario remind anyone else of Johnny Sins?
Because of that big pill? 😂
@@DoomBowser64 You know it 😉
Free as fuck dlc character still getting freed up by a doc, lmao, good shit by bacon
Bacon lost?
@@theexaltedlt8222 You watched the games didn't you?
When are commentators going to figure out that Riddles picks his character more so by the stage that picked. As someone who really enjoys Kazuya, platforms really screw up his punish potential. Riddles will almost always pick Kazuya when FD and Kalos is chosen, and Town and City will also commonly be for Kazuya. The rest is Terry. There are also probably a few characters that Kazuya just won't go against, such as Pikachu.
Not taking anything from riddles cause the dude is a great player but Kazuya wins always feel so undeserved
This one Is a certified Kazuya Mishima classic
*KAZUYA MISHIMA*
*KILL HIM*
OMG what an amazing set by these two players!!
The main reason Doc can’t win a Major is because he gets downloaded easily and he has a bad recovery.
It’s impossible to play perfectly every game. There will be times of human error. Even if you play like BacoN here, you’ll encounter a player that can adapt in one game. You’ll get counter picked, camped, and abused offstage.
Nevertheless, Doc is hype. More power to low tier mains. You stand out, and you bring a show when you perform excellently.
Overall as a Doc main I understand where your coming from, yes it takes a lot of work, but through what I feel in my belief is that all characters can succeed, now some like Doc for example takes a lot of work overall & the best is thru having optimism as to opposite of not having that energy of not persisting overall. That's how I feel though & hope to be heard out what I experienced overall
@@ThePrescriber nah the character is just bad its okay to admit it man
@@Monvo707 as balanced as smash ultimate is yeah you can't win with every character. There aren't that many low tiers (roughly 1/8 of the game roster which is insane) but there are some who you just can't win with if your opponent knows how to handle your terrible weaknesses. You need to be lucky that your opponent either has a bad day or doesn't download the match up but if not then it's already over
It's sorta similar to how Doc is in the Melee meta.
Eventually top players, such as Shroomed, dropped him because the character's tools can't compete with the higher tiers at top level play.
@@SSJPENGUIN I understand that completely, though it's bit different in that game because despite a lack of representatives, Doc can still do very well in general as he's barley out of the reach of being "viable" int that aspect.
I dont love max's personality, but him and rod had some AMAZING energy on this set. Some of the best dual casting ive seen. Would love to she their duo in the future
max is the dad joke of smash commentary
Still mad respect to Bacon for bringing such an exploitable character this far
I like how in this game it actually feels like any character could win, although with more effort, the game has a feel of balance even with all of these 0 to deaths.
Riddles is cracked, love seeing him play. Bacon did great too. Explosive set
and now dr mario has reached 17th at a platinum tier major
“It’s not about how you start, it’s about how you finish” and boy, did Bacon finish mighty well. The last stock on the first game was so beautifully and tactfully taken!!!
5:42 is the definition of ask and you shall receive!
No it's the definition of robbery
“Riddles, is there a method to the madness” Yes and that method is to play busted dlc characters that are easy to play.
The power level difference between Doc and Kazuya/Terry is so big.
Game 1 was legendary
I know it takes some execution, but I'm starting to look at kazuya like I do Luigi...
Completely different
@@shaghilathar3588 Couldn't agree more, Luigi only really has two percentages (~0 and ~60) at which he can straight up kill you off a throw while Kazuya can kill off an EWGF (or easy set up moves like N-air, grab or up-tilt) at any percent. Luigi's touch of death can also be SDI'd which is why we don't see Elegant go for it in top level matches, while Kazuya's has no counterplay if executed properly (blue arrow is reactable, way too much hitstun)
Oh yeah, one more thing. Luigi's grab is 50 f frames (Fox down-smash) and EWGF is 35f, that is2 frames FASTER than G&W upsmash which is considered not whiff punshable on top level
@@Bladieblah Blue arrow is not reachable, even riddles can't do it. In fact if it's so easy do it yourself. Not only does it require much more execution than Luigi and the fact it's way easier to SDI EWGF but EWGF is a close range move than can be blocked while Luigi has a tether grab. Also I have no idea where you're getting your frame data sources but that's completely wrong. Even if it was right 35 frames is like half a second. Human reaction time is a quarter on average so you just played yourself.
Kazuya has some of the worst mobility in the game while Luigi has some of the best. Kazuya has way more weaknesses than Luigi. At this point you're either coping or in denial
@@shaghilathar3588 You cannot SDI EWGF, oh my fucking god, you should fucking know that! It was in the fucking presentation! There's no hitlag on Kazuya's moves because Tekken didn't have it and you can only SDI in hitlag, wth smh.
Execution means nothing at top level because any pro can master it if they put in the little time necessary, ESAM proved this point handily by destroying Riddles in a long set with Kazuya doing the exact same combo's day 3 that are still being used to this day
@@Bladieblah What are you talking about you melon? You just finished whining about EWGF had too much hitstun and now you're saying it doesn't have any at all? You can't even stay consistent with your own argument or you're just too plain stupid to follow one
Execution matters at any level, even riddles admits he hasn't mastered the character and ESAM doesn't use kazuya.
I really like the part at 0:50 where he knew all he had to do was spike Riddles and just waited
Say what you will but its impressive to not only make it so far with a pick like Dr. Mario, but he also smoked that first game
Happy to see a nice Dr Mario!
0:51
Oh my god with that turn around.
Im a simple man. I see Kazuya i click.
Those Kazuya combos seem so demoralizing.
Doc is hype.
YO BACON HAD RIDDLES QUAKING IN HIS BOOTS ON THAT LAST STOCK ON THE FIRST GAME
And then the rest of the set happened
BACON IN TOP 24??? POG
Lol I could feel the anger and savagery. Game 3 was, "I'ma eat your soul."
there´s something I dont see often, intentionally SD so as to not accidentally save your opponent while recovering yourself, . . as long as you have a stock lead.
Kazuya is literally cheating.
bacon played it much better than riddles in game 1, happy to see dr.mario in top 24
He also played much better than Riddles in game 2, but got ToD'd twice, lost his mental after that sadly
Seeing this match makes me think riddles is the JDCR of smash bros. Literally played one match, downloaded him, dominated the rest of the set
*Zero to death combo'd off a throw, and then nearly zero to death'd on the next EWGF opening. It's not domination, it's just an unhealthy punish game executed properly but there's little to nothing Doc could have done about it. Being completely robbed, Bacon tilted which unfortunately affected the rest of the set
@@Bladieblah Literally any character can 0 to death off a throw, if they read the opponent
@@shaghilathar3588 What?! Not even close man. You really have no idea what you're talking about.
For starters, most throws don't even have enough hitstun for a true follow up, and most throws that allow for more usually only allow a two-piece and in no way set up a 50/50 scenario in which they get a kill if they choose right.
Now let's see what Kazuya's got. Kazuya's downthrow EWGF is true. In the scenario that comes afterwards Kazuya can react to the blue arrow, if people don't know about how DI works on EWGF specifically the follow up is guaranteed. If they do it becomes a 50/50 at worst, DI in or DI out, but if the Kazuya reacts properly he can react to the DI change at the last second. You see, you can dash forward, then back jump and still catch DI in (watch the video), this means you can always buffer the dash forward and you have the launch time + the entire forward dash to react to the blue arrow. In that case it's not even a 50/50 or a read at all.
But for arguments sake, let's agree that it is a 50/50. There is no character that has similar 50/50 out of throw or anything else for that matter that can lead to this much damage or a straight kill.
"Literally anyone can zero to death off a throw if they read the opponent" Reading the opponent after a throw for normal characters involves choosing between roughly 8 different options, with some of them not allowing a direct punish like jump away or jump in and leaving more options open after that, requiring more reads. Kazuya doesn't have to worry about any of that, it's a much more simple situation with only two options (true 50/50), unlike regular throw situations where the opponent has 8+ options with more scenarios and different options branching from those options.
And honestly I could have just left it at this, give me one example of a throw situation outside of Kazuya, Luigi and IC's, where you can get a kill off of at best two 50/50 reads at zero, I'll be waiting
@@shaghilathar3588 kazuya doesn't need a fucking read to 0 to deaths, riddles knows his ass is carried 😂
@@Shaheemswaggedout So the character with the worst disadvantage, mobility and frame data in the game doesn't need a 50-50 combo game when that's what his kit is based off?
What a fight from bacon especially against kazuya on fd
Fun fact as of writing, Bacon is not pr'd in VA
How do you DI jab jab powerdunk?
You don't, you SDI it like a boss, down and in I believe but I could be wrong
love the commentary. Rih-Del's Designer.
Insane how good someone can play kazuya
Doc mains have a little hope!
3:45 lmao doc's little legs got him
9:20 commentator really do be like "kazua machina nishima"😭
Am I trippin or has riddles been switching from Terry to kaz every other game in every match he’s played this tourney ?? He keeps both his players warm and ready ma mans ttg
It's matchup dependent but he's trying to do the Protobanham strategy of switching win or lose so his characters don't get downloaded
@@theexaltedlt8222 Aren't people just gonna camp both of his chars anyways? I feel like it worked for Proto because he plays Lucy and Min Min
@@ahgottemggs438 that's why its matchup dependent. Not everyone can camp terry that well. For example, against Gackt, riddles stayed terry the entire set. Ness vs Terry is rough for Terry but it's doable for Terry especially if he gets in. Kazuya vs Ness is heavily ness favored. So riddles didn't switch. Same thing applies vs Icymist. However against Bacon win or lose he switched because both characters do pretty well against doc.
@@theexaltedlt8222 ah, that makes sense
@@ahgottemggs438 @The Exalted LT I'm sorry, but that has nothing to do with it. I'm relatively certain that Riddles picks his characters not because of the character MU, but because of the stage that's chosen. He did go all Riddles vs Gackt, but that's because they struck to PS2, and Gackt counterpicked him to Small Battlefield. Those platforms greatly diminish Kazuya's potential punish game. Go through all of Riddles sets. If Kalos/FD/(and most of the time) Town and City is chosen. He will go Kazuya, those are the stages he can maximize his punish with Kazuya. With that said, there are characters that Kazuya probably won't be chosen for, but that is usually light + small characters, like Pikachu.
6:20 This has to be the tiniest bottle I've ever seen.
Riddles vs Zomba. Best set of pound.
Nah fuck kazuya, we gotta start a special tournament for only steve and kazuya and pythra players so they can have their fun and not bother the rest of us
you know its hard to fight a doctor if his only solution are pills
9:37 😲
My man got his teeth kicked in 🤣💀
10:36 some of these commentators are the best😂
That 5.99 hitting different
Man why not banning FD against kazuya
Because he was choosing not to ban FD against Terry, not even thinking about Kazuya. Riddles gets people with that quite a few times.
Stage striking/selection is currently before character picks, there are obvious issues with this but as long as this remains the ruleset we'll have to deal with it
What in the DLC is happening?
Combos
Lmao, pretty much 5:43 in a nutshell
how do you unironically main doctor mario
6:16 Bacon accidentally threw the cape the other way .. might could have closed out the match if it landed
Bacon acting like he’s getting hit every time his character does 🤣
3:45 what happened down there 😂😂
Game 2😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 for both that game was fuckin fire.. tough set for both
Kazuya took ALL of bacon’s confidence
RIDDLES YOU MONSTER 5:50
Bacon did well but Riddles just completely adapted afterwards
My two mains
Such bull shit ass characters dlc privilege, im mad for Bacon
Hoes
Mad
It wasn't "dlc privilege", it was Dr. Mario being a terrible character. He also loses against most non-dlc characters.
What did you expect when You’re playing the worst character in the entire game, suck it up and stay mad ❄️
You're a fuckwit if you think this was privileged
Riddles casually knocked out 7 straight stocks lol
The winner switching char feels unfair
Aaaaaaaa Let's Go Riddles 💜Uvu❤
Bacon gets punished for *hitting* an upsmash which leads to him immediately getting killed at 0%, which completely reversed the momentum… thats rough
Bacon did super well with Doc of all character, being in Riddles head several times but after that shift it was Riddles game
Doc is more hype than Falcon.
まじでRIDDLESかっけぇ 好き
You are cool!
@@BocchitheGwak thank you!!
bruh dr mario ? impressive
I feel like you should hvae to stay on chracter until you lose. I pick a certain stage and then you just ignore it is kinda crazy. especially since it is best of 5.
It's one of the benefits of having other characters that you can use
You have to announce character switches in advance
@@theexaltedlt8222 i get that. I don't think it is terrible but I think it would make more sense for the winner to have to stay on character, especially in a game where stage selection is a factor
@@extonjonas6820 Ya but when the winner switches they also have to change how they play. It evens out imo
@@theexaltedlt8222 You announce your character switch 'after' the stage gets chosen. It goes like this. Riddles lost round 1 with Terry. So BacoN picks his stage bans. Riddles then chooses the stage he wants to counterpick to. After that, BacoN picks his character, then after that Riddles picks his character. So in the case of match 2 BacoN chose his bans (don't know what they were, but he didn't pick FD). Riddles says, okay, I choose to go to Final Destination. BacoN says, okay, I pick Doc Mario. Riddles says okay, I pick Kazuya. Then BacoN goes shit!
Almost won the first to 2, but not even close to 3.
"Electric Wing Girlfriend" - Rod
That wasn't TKBreezy, it was Rod
@@Calabrel Thanks, I fixed it.
3:45 that was hype asf
Good lord riddles is so sick
1:38
Double nice
Very clean doc full props to bacon, but once riddles got his footing it was game
Bacon is awesome 👌🏼
why my man got beads on like he Akuma from street fighter
Riddles is one with his controller fr, I try to do the same combos with Kaz both offline and online and the one who gets zero to death is me by the the other players. LMAO
Is that an Akuma bead necklace
6:47 "electric win girlfriend" lol
Bacon definitely needs some work with doc. Need to bring his blood pressure down