@@zacharybartolo5111no. Just like with cars, you have to get permission to use the exact representation of the guns due to trademark/copyright (I can't remember which one.)
The Old Earth Shotgun is based on Hick's shotgun from Aliens, that's why there's a MP40 pistol grip and ithica parts, thats what the original prop used.
Loved the reference. Isn't that the one Reese used in Terminator 1984 too? Michael Biehn is iconic with the pistol grip shotgun, so much so that his character in The Mandalorian used one too.
I'd be willing to bet the issues with the 1911 come from the fact that they used an airsoft gun as reference. I have one just like it from when I was a kid that has the same errors.
too sad that things like this still happen. I do 3d modelling as a hobby and I had no issue finding scans of the original 1930s engineering drawings for the M1911A1.
If you made a Venn diagram of people who have ever touched a real firearm and people employed at Bethesda, you'd wind up drawing two circles with zero overlap.
Just wait till the mods kick in, then we're gonna have a lot M4, ak, china lakes, grenade launchers, classic weapons and of course the Germnn space gun
OLD EARTH CASELESS. "An old Earth weapon, infamous for its suprisingly modern design, and absurd complexity." G101 "A moderized Old Earth rifle, using numerous modern improvements, this rifle stands as a suprisingly effective piece."
I think the lore behind the 1911 is that they found an old 1911 and got it working again with whatever parts they could. You can get a special 1911 for free depending on which backstory you pick. But also, it sucks, because finding ballistic .45 ammo in that game is super hard, since nobody shoots ballistic weapons anymore
As someone using this game’s “modern” version of the 1911 I’ve found I just need to always restock at venders. I know most general trade and non gun manufacturer tied gun shops will sell a few clips worth of .45 ammo. At the very least it doesn’t use up your ammo as much as say a Grendel or Kodama so I’ve managed to build up a reserve of around 800-900 bullets though that is a far cry from the over 2K bullets I have for every other gun.
@@Scrap_Goblin they messed it up. So the scratches show that it pumps farther back but if you look on the right side if it went further back the pump would cover the ejection port
@@Scrap_Goblin no it doesn''t, bethesda has no fucking clue how guns function and you pump it foward before pumping it back to where it idles. bolt gets pushed into the barrel because bethesda
Gotta love the fact the old earth hunting rifle had to be a vintorez, down to the ammo be the same one used in real life with its only liberty straight off the bat being that its semi-auto. They could of picked some bolt-action hunting rifle but instead went with a weapon that's used by only by the Russian military.
When I first picked one up I thought, meh... Then I saw what caliber it used and immediately threw a suppressor on it. I rocked that thing like the sniper rifle it was modeled from through 5\6ths of the main mission line.
Well, there is a civil conversion of VSS. However, it doesn't have a suppressor (it's more of a decorative barrel cover), and has 7.62x39mm and .366 TKM as well as 9x39mm variants
I'm assuming that this game must be pretty far into the future, so I like to imagine that you can't take the scope off of the "Old Earth Hunting Rifle" because to them it's become so damn old that they haven't a clue how to use the dovetail mount.
That shotgun wouldn't function with the slide set that far back, rack the slide back and it completely covers the ejection port. I own an Ithaca 37 Deerslayer, it's pushing at least 50 or 60. It was my dad's before I was born. A lot of the issues I see with "futuristic guns" is that the dam things literally have junk in the way of where you body would go if you tried to hold it. Cyberpunk 2077 had a bunch of the same issues, stuff behind grips or at weird angles that "look cool" but if you actually tried to pick the gun up, there wouldn't be any way to actually hold it correctly.
That shotgun seems to have a pump forward action, you can slow down any video of its action and see. That action is probably inspired by the Neostead 2000 of South Africa. There's a video on that gun made by Forgotten Weapons. It's not that common in the pump action shotgun world but it does have its advantage.
@@mtr2192had a buddy whose dad was a collector of weird Eastern European guns and he had a pump-forward shotgun from...Romania, I think? Let me shoot exactly three shots from it and it was certainly a weird sensation after skeet shooting with standard pumps my whole life. Felt solid, yet lightweight and was smooth as butter.
@@CavemannerCould it be the Russian RMB-93? That's the only mass produced pump forward shotgun aside from the Neostead. There's also another single shot shotgun similar in concept. It's called the Cobray Terminator. The firing pin is fixed and the gun is cocked by chambering a round and sliding it and the barrel forward. Pulling the trigger releases the barrel which goes rearwards and hits the firing pin.
@@mtr2192 I have no idea. This was almost 15 years ago now and I was a kid back then and wasn't super interested in specifics....oh, no, definitely not it. I just looked the RMb up and the gun I shot was definitely a standard magazine-under-barrel, not that over-barrel craziness lol. I've been trying to find the one I shot on Google but nothing is coming up that looks like what I shot. It kinda had a Izhevsk feel to it, like an old school MP-133.
Honestly some of the issues I can see due to the gun being so old, it'd doubtful in the starfield universe these guns are even made anymore so the ones that are still around are bound to have missing parts or refurbished parts.
I was thinking that they could have just replaced broken or missing parts with whatever old gun parts they found. So even if its not the right gun, if its good enough, they put it on the gun for it to be a working model to sell. Most people today, me included, couldn't see most of what people who study guns can see is wrong with them so I wouldn't be surprised if a gun seller in the far future with a destroyed Earth can sell this as an "authentic" antique gun.
I'm pretty sure, that even 300 years later there will be some space-american, that will be milling 1911 in his garage while mumbling something about "two world wars".
I like to think it’s called the old earth “hunting rifle” because some future space man seen one and said “integrally suppressed, magnified optic, wooden furniture, heavy grain rifle cartridge?! Yup, this is definitely something old earth people used for hunting medium sized game.”
This honestly bummed me out so hard, like I was happy to get a free 1911, but at the same time I was expecting a sick unique revolver as I hadn't seen any other than the rambler yet, now I have an actual peacemaker and I'm regretting specing into lasers as there's so few options
@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya Bro same. It was good either way but... Fuck sakes... Probably was meant to be a revolver but someone used the wrong item code. I wanna believe that..
@@Blank55600less wrong item code and more they did not make the old earth revolver. Now what would a good old earth revolver be. You can only have one and.
As a gunsmith, I recognized ALL of this off the rip 😂 I cant get to mad about it, I get to Christen these Godless space heathens with the Lord's caliber 🤣
@GunGirl-ct7jm He's certainly not wrong, I had a feeling this is what you were referring to. Its true 1911s can be hard to work on, alot of aftermarket parts need to be hand fitted to work right because not all manufacturers make 1911s to the same spec or military GI spec. This means the gun can significantly loose reliability or straight up not work at all if parts are installed incorrectly. Some manufacturers also make 1911's with high tolerances which can be nice and work well, but be prone to jamming more often if any dirt, dust or debris gets in the gun. My 1911 is a Colt and has loose tolerances, it rattles when you shake it and runs like a Rolex watch lol
My issues are the VSS being used as the old earth hunting rifle and not some bolt action platform, and the AK not having a stock and a couple other things but those are my 2 biggest ones
You'd really prefer some shitty bolt rifle you see behind the counter at walmart every weekend over an exotic russian special purpose weapon? Yall have spent so long memorizing meaningless bullshit from forgotten weapons that you can't just take a cool gun at face value anymore.
It’s kinda like that. A spoiler for a perk ahead: If you pick the „kid stuff” perk and you visit your parents for the second time you will receive a m1911 from your dad with the backstory being it was used by a constelation director and then framed on a wall as a collectible by an engineer.
My dad saw me running around with Sir Livingstone's Pistol and got super excited, I didn't go into the examine screen but I'm sure he'd have pointed out some of the issues you did
@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya same here. Livingstone's pistol worked well for a while tho. Just wish it was properly categorized and had some oomf behind it. Well all the weapons feel like they fire paperclips but that one in particular was a massive let down
Eh, the only difference I really see is that the regular 1911 doesnt have a rail like the modernized one so it doesnt have a few attachments and the VSS lacking attachment variety but it feels generally the same to me on the AK. But that makes sense, these future guns are built to be more modular and their modifications are still in production.
I'm still skeptical of this claim. Shotgun? Maybe. 1911? Very, very big maybe. VSS Vintorez? From my understanding, not even really made by a company, and even if it was they ain't still kicking.
@@Ezekiel_Allium >VSS Vintorez? From my understanding, not even really made by a company, and even if it was they ain't still kicking. Incorrect! They were manufactured by Tula Arms Plant who while I believe under a different name now, are still in business. Furthermore, the two designers of the firearm, although dead, only died like a few years ago so their estates definitely probably would still care if they still hold the patent rights. Otherwise the patent holder would most likely be *checks notes* The Russian Government. I don't think BGS wants that kind of flak. (Assuming the Russian government has a working flak gun anyway).
@@Vaprous it was my belief that Soviet arms plants were fully nationalized and not private companies, I could be wrong but that was my understanding. And I'm sure the plant is still operational, but I doubt in at all the same way as it was before. And well, does the Russian Government have the intellectual property rights of the Soviet union? They very well could, or they could not, I dunno. But would they be interested in suing a videogame company if they did? I very much doubt it.
@@wasdwazd Hell, in the entire history of the Fallout games, there have only been 3 pump action shotguns, the first of which was in Tactics, the first core game to have a pump action was *New Vegas* , with the third overall in 76. The series as a whole trends towards semi-auto.
@@wasdwazd Actually they did once, long ago when they made a Terminator game. Then again that was also from a time where their games had a lot more depth, they only had one game studio, and was before Morrowind was seen as their magnum opus. Modern Bethesda couldn't give us a proper pump action shotgun.
Zach Hazard, as a gun nut you should have noticed that the grip/trigger alignment on the Elegance would be crazy uncomfortable to actually try and hold. Lol, the image flashed by and I saw a mixture of the 223 pistol/10mm from early Fallout games. But when I stopped on the image, the grip just drove me nuts. Figured you might want to look at that thing too, basically have to use your middle finger on the trigger, or have an angled or really low grip.
As someone who loves both those revolvers (mostly for the look) I like the elegance, I don't think the grip is actually too small as it's kind of a big revolver, at least comparing it to my rhino it seems similar in beef
@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya no, I mean look at where the grip puts the web of your hand in relation to the trigger. The web is set too high, it ends up aligning the trigger with the wrong finger.
@@13shadowwolf I don't think so? If you've got your index on the trigger, middle right below in that single groove, then ring and pinky right below at the bottom of the grip which looks big enough for two fingers, I think maybe in big clunky space suit hands it'd be too small maybe
@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya if your index finger is on the trigger, then the web of your hand is way too low. The web of that grip aligns the middle finger with the trigger. Draw an imaginary line from the trigger straight back, that's where the swell of your hand where your thumb joint is. The grip has that part higher on the back, it would put your hand/wrist at an extremely bad angle to try and aim the gun. I have worked on enough gun types to be absolutely sure, that if you built that in real life, it would be an absolute bitch to hold onto.
@@13shadowwolf I think I see what you're saying, though honestly I'm very much a physical learner so I'd have to get my hands on a to scale model to actually see
Ancient, rusty, centuries old weapons are somehow more powerful than high tech modern weapons... Same with armours: some 300 years old NASA spacesuit is more advanced than UC marine combat armor. Amazing logic Bethesda.
as i just repaired and conserved a 22lr 1911 clone from llima I can tell you not only does the fire arm not cycle without out the plunger tube, but it also drags the safety across the serrations causing it to effectively gind away material.
The Electromagnetic Wave symbol does not mean it’s mostly non-lethal. If you want an example of some very much not-taser-like EM Weapons from real life, look up aircraft mounted lasers from the US Military. Also Tasers and Lasers function completely differently and have very little mechanistic similarity.
@@bob38028 You fail to understand what I mean and what I was talking about. If you played the game you'd know the nova light pistol and rifle usually drop with EM modifications making them less than lethal by being literal tasers.
@@Blank55600 I know its petty, but if you'd played the game, you'd know there are two EM mods, EM Beams and EM Charged Shot, so you need to specify which one you're talking about. The EM Beams mod may behave like a taser but does not make a weapon a taser. I honestly don't even know why I commented earlier since people playing a casual game probably aren't interested in the technical difference between a taser and an electrically charged bullet.
tbh the most annoying thing about the VSS is they call it a "Hunting Rifle". Like yeah I bet you could hunt with 9x39, people hunt with all sorts of stuff, but they could have just called it a Rifle and it would have been fine. It wasn't made with hunting in mind, as far as I'm aware.
Yeah but if people 350 years in the future dug one up from an excavation site saw it they might go: "Oh a classy wood stock, a silencer and a scope! This was probably a hunting rifle." We make assumptions about stuff people had 350 years ago all the time, people these days still think nobody lived over 40 and only like 10% of the population could read back in the 1700's. A heavier, larger bullet like 9x39mm makes sense for hunting large game and they wouldn't know it was made specifically for silently shooting targets wearing mediocre 80's body armor, we've already moved onto defeating hard armor with high velocity bullets and that's likely to remain the case for quite some time. Future people would likely have no idea there was a 20-ish year period out of probably hundreds of years where body armor could be defeated by subsonic bullets. In this universe they literally wouldn't even know what a labrador retriever is if there wasn't a chocolate candy named after them, and that candy modeled in-game isn't even shaped like a chocolate lab it's shaped like a pug.
@Hamun002 Dude there's literally a gun from the Civil War in the National Fireams Museum that we THINK has a coffee grinder built into it, we don't actually know what the grinder is for we just think it was for coffee. That was just the Civil War, not a global extinction event that erased all human culture.
@@DaleErnieMichael it was a global extinction event in the same way it was a fire drill. we saved oak barrels to make whiskey out of. none of that shit was nearly as dire as anyone thinks it was.
@@Hamun002 There are literally two cities worth of humans left and not a single other organism of Earth origin in existence. Per the lore only 200,000 people made it off Earth. That was an extinction. The Bible, the most common book in the world which is the basis around almost all of human culture, didn't even survive that holocaust. The people in Starfield know objectively very little about themselves.
Honestly something about the 1911 in this game always seemed off, I always thought it had something to do with the shape of the slide, but what you said made alot more sense.
I know it's useless to be mad about pedantry in the comments of a Zach Hazard clip but I just know that many of these people don't care about similar (Or in many cases, worse) discrepancies between the model and real firearms when it comes to something like NV
I would say that the reason they'd have mixed parts is because as years went on parts/replacements weren't made anymore especially once more powerful weapons came out so they had to make do with other models parts. They also probably custom made parts that tried to look as close to the originals but weren't quite perfect. This could add to the loss of the actual name of the gun as it had so many iterations, to back this up they have the xm 2311 pistol which is the reissue. Also to have missing screws would be accurate as it is like centuries old.
They could be cheap imitations made from looking at old earth movies and the internal components are all wacky because they use contemporary bullet feeding mechanisms
This video made me realize that mods will bring tons of old earth guns and ammo and of course some new creations with futuristic concepts of them that will most likely look and feel better than the Vanilla.
Missing/"wrong" parts could be pretty easily explained by the fact that it's supposed to be like 300 years old at that point, and given that it's still being used, it makes perfect sense that it would have been modified, jerry rigged, or otherwise broken down.
I like to imagine that the lore is that none of the actual guns have survived, so all thats left is the approximations people made after the fact using remants of notes, parts, and pictures.
My thought on the old earth guns is repair parts not available some things had to be made and they're going to get stuff wrong or they shoved Parts together that sort of fit or made them fit
Can’t wait for the modding scene on Starfield to really pop off, would be cool to get a bunch of other “old earth” weapons such as an M4A1, M16, M17, Makarov, SKS, Remington 870, M9 Berreta, and others
One thing I don't understand about games modeling guns is how sometimes they'll model stuff like screw holes where a piece, sometimes an important piece, of the gun would go, but refuse to model that piece.
The position of the pump on that old earth shotgun should have the bolt in the open position instead of the closed position. That's really my main gripe with that model...
The Old Earth Shotgun should come with the "Short Barrel" mod as standard since its a 6 shot. The standard barrel is actually a 9 shot. 🫤 - A Mossberg 590 owner.
I used to have a 1911 airsof replica and the second I saw the Old Earth Gun O could tell something was off about the controls, although I couldn't quite put my finger on it
honestly the 1911 is probably the way it is because by the point in which starfield takes place, it is a very, very old gun, it's probably not in good condition, it's probably had some parts fall off or break and there just aren't replacements
I feel like all of these are just "we found the old blueprints but they got burnt or something and we have a vague idea on how they go together sooo yeehaw" situation
I find it funny when a sci-fi/future setting still have a 1911. Even Warhammer 40k still has them in the Lore. Muh two world wars, unification war and 13 black crusades!
"The Colt 1911. 100 years of service, and ready for 100 more." I really would not be surprised if the "story" behind that specific gun was something like the ship of Theseus, where it's had so many parts replaced and fabricated in machine shops that it's not truly an original save for in spirit, hence the missing/mismatched parts, and wonky machine/woodwork.
@@roguereaver634 I think my complaint with it is that it's labeled as a "hunting rifle", I mean I guess you _could_ go hunting with a VSS, but I can't think of something that it would be particularly well suited to hunt, other than humans. Perhaps some alien species or something. Personally, if I were to incorporate an "Old Earth Hunting Rifle" I would be more inclined to have something a bit more generally associated with hunting, such as the aforementioned Remington 700 (be it left or right-handed), perhaps a Mauser (pretty much any model), or even a lever-action. Just seems like an odd choice to pick for an antique "hunting rifle", y'know
@@UnhorsedGooseThe VSS would be a great hunting rifle for medium range 9x39 is a very capable cartridge Also it’s considered a hunting rifle because the game takes place thousands of years in the future and humans didn’t leave earth in game in anytime around now With European laws being nice to suppressors and the VSS in game being semi auto I could see it being legalized and very popular for hunting because it’s cool AF
@@whyareusobad3528 I'm not saying it's not good at hunting, I'm sure it'd be fine, more that it just seems like an odd choice given all the more readily-available tailor-made hunting rifles we have nowadays. Of everything to have survived thousands of years into the future and cemented itself into history as the definitive, ultimate, be-all and end-all "Earth Hunting Rifle", I would definitely not expect a Soviet VSS Vintorez to be it. Just a personal opinion, not gonna get combative about it, I just agree with others that it does seem like a bit of an odd choice.
@@UnhorsedGoose I guess but I’m just saying I could see it falling under some of the last guns legally allowed to use Because it is semi auto suppressed and 10 round mags which that is allowed in a lot of places(suppressors are common outside of the US) and I think that with gun laws being stricter in the future the VSS could be remade for civilians use Not to mention the bullets don’t travel to far which some countries prohibit long range ammo in hunting
Like other folks already said M1911 (and other old earth guns to a lesser degree) looking like that can be explained by them simply kitbashing multiple 1911s and its derivatives due to very limited supply of parts of these well into the future especially with earth, where most of these would have been made being gone
It hurts my head on the shotgun how you pump forward and then back to eject the spent shells. Its super fast but the animation rides the pump forward, THEN back
@@toasteronleg not unheard of but there is probably a reason that there's a gold standard for pump actions. But that's my tism talking rather than nitpicking.
Is just no one going to talk about where the VSS scope is mounted? It's not attached to the side mount at all and pushed forward despite the fact they model in the mounting position behind it.
my lore explanation would be that metals don't oxidize in the vacuum of space, and so repeated removal and attachment of the scope could've caused the pre-existing oxidation layers to be removed, which then could cause cold welding to occur, which makes the scope impossible to remove after that
@@Ezekiel_Alliumexactly, like they've got gravity drives that can travel light years in the blink of an eye, I find it ridiculous to consider removing this "ancient unfathomable tech"
I'm just mad that the old earth rifle doesn't have the option for a stock. Like, why am I able to make stock mods for everything else, but i need to fire this thing like a maniac.
Similar to many weapons in Resident Evil, I usually assume most weapons in games are just fictional variants of real world weapons, as to avoid any legal issues and to justify any other changes to how they work in gameplay, like recoil, ammo capacity, accuracy, ect Also for all we know none of the “old earth” guns exist yet in our timeline
I would personally chalk most mistakes here up to the fact this game is putting its effort and budget into sci fi stuff, not trying to be a realistic around modern era shooter
Considering these weapons survived in circulation for so long really should let you give a little leeway for missing and modified parts. Thats like pulling a medieval crossbow out the shop in the 23rd century and being disappointed that the string has been repaired with paracord.
No. That’s just wrong. Missing the entire assembly for the safety on the 1911 pistol makes the gun useless. Also it would be stupid and wrong to replace a crossbow string with paracord because paracord would break under the tension. Tell me you get your knowledge of weapons from video games without telling me.
The pump one the shotgun is almost as far back as it would be when the gun is cycled to the rear. That's been my biggest annoyance so far. I didnt even notice that the detent spring housing is missing from the side of the 1911! Ugh, i like what they did with alot of guns, but there are some pain points to a gun guy.
The I find yet hilarious is these guns are at a minimum 200 years old and in some cases more powerful then what would be essentially "modern firearms" in starfield. All this time learning how to make caseless ammo precision machinery useing advanced technology and materials. 12 gauge might as well be a blunderbuss
The holes on the slide of the 1911 were for the safety and slide release when the slide is back. And you load shells into the shotgun with the pumphandle forward...You ever fire a gun?
@@cowerdnerddespacito9518 yes. Being part of a government organization doesn't immediately negate the possibility of incompetence. The opposite in fact.
@@cowerdnerddespacito9518 does it though? A random person on youtube I've never encountered before, claiming things I can't even look up to confirm or deny, does not irrefutable evidence of firearms experience make.
I'd like to think the model designers knew exactly what they were doing with these. They know how to get the gun models just right enough but also wrong enough to piss gun nuts off.
The one thing I don't like about the shotgun is just how far back the pump is. Is it that hard for Bethesda to just make a gun normal and not have some glaring flaw?
Not sure about Vintorez, but i can easily imagine 1911, AK-74 and Ithaca (i think?) still be available and working in the future. Both shotgun and pistol were already feaured in some sci-fi movies, f.e. Aliens and AK-74´s main stregth is its incredible sturdiness even in hands of an idiot.
Bro that 1911 is 300 years old, it's just missing parts and probably had something mounted to that hole drilled into it. Hell I've got a 1911 that's a mish-mash of WW1 and A1 style parts, and that safety is correct for an A1 they didn't change until post war with commercial models.
It would be funny if the "old earth guns" was mordern guns, kinda like modern guns exists on star wars as slug throwers but no one outside mandalorians and the sand people use it
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The housing is probably missing cause “you can’t get guns 100% perfect in games without incurring the wrath of gun manufacturers”
in this case the wrath of thousands of their lawyer.
I don't even get that. They're not selling physical guns, are they afraid of someone making their own guns from the digital copies or something?
That doesn't hold up with a gun as old as the 1911 though.
@@zacharybartolo5111no. Just like with cars, you have to get permission to use the exact representation of the guns due to trademark/copyright (I can't remember which one.)
@amazingcmanps4gamer941 but the 1911 as itself is made by multiple manufacturers
The Old Earth Shotgun is based on Hick's shotgun from Aliens, that's why there's a MP40 pistol grip and ithica parts, thats what the original prop used.
From what I can see it looks more like an MG42 grip
Loved the reference. Isn't that the one Reese used in Terminator 1984 too? Michael Biehn is iconic with the pistol grip shotgun, so much so that his character in The Mandalorian used one too.
@@o_manampretty sure Reese had a police issue 870
@@GandalfthegoldenbirdNah in Terminator he uses police model Ithaca 37s, with or without the extended tube depending on the scene.
I knew there was something oddly familiar about it!
I'd be willing to bet the issues with the 1911 come from the fact that they used an airsoft gun as reference. I have one just like it from when I was a kid that has the same errors.
too sad that things like this still happen. I do 3d modelling as a hobby and I had no issue finding scans of the original 1930s engineering drawings for the M1911A1.
@@alexandertheok9610some folks care more
If you made a Venn diagram of people who have ever touched a real firearm and people employed at Bethesda, you'd wind up drawing two circles with zero overlap.
Bethesda is in one of the bluest, most pampered cities in America. Of course they've never seen, let alone touched a real gun.
Fellas… if you have a problem with an in game gun based off a real gun not being accurate… there’s a mod for that
Man, would’ve been really cool if they had an H&K G11. The og space gat
Unfortunately Kraut Moon Magic appears to have become a lost art.
Just wait till the mods kick in, then we're gonna have a lot M4, ak, china lakes, grenade launchers, classic weapons and of course the Germnn space gun
That gun has internals like a grandfather clock though.
@@axelkusanagi4139yes thus Kraut Space Magic
OLD EARTH CASELESS.
"An old Earth weapon, infamous for its suprisingly modern design, and absurd complexity."
G101
"A moderized Old Earth rifle, using numerous modern improvements, this rifle stands as a suprisingly effective piece."
I think the lore behind the 1911 is that they found an old 1911 and got it working again with whatever parts they could. You can get a special 1911 for free depending on which backstory you pick. But also, it sucks, because finding ballistic .45 ammo in that game is super hard, since nobody shoots ballistic weapons anymore
You can buy .45 ammo on the regular, it's enough as long as you don't mainline the m1911, but it's a great backup when you don't have time to reload.
As someone using this game’s “modern” version of the 1911 I’ve found I just need to always restock at venders. I know most general trade and non gun manufacturer tied gun shops will sell a few clips worth of .45 ammo. At the very least it doesn’t use up your ammo as much as say a Grendel or Kodama so I’ve managed to build up a reserve of around 800-900 bullets though that is a far cry from the over 2K bullets I have for every other gun.
What background?
@@plack_benis382 it’s the living parents perk
Nobody uses ballistic weapons, except for half the pirates running malestorms.
Love how the shotgun pump is to the rear but the bolt is forward...
Oh no that is forward. It pumps farther back
Yeah it's goofy AF looking
@@Scrap_GoblinThat is cursed
@@Scrap_Goblin they messed it up. So the scratches show that it pumps farther back but if you look on the right side if it went further back the pump would cover the ejection port
@@Scrap_Goblin no it doesn''t, bethesda has no fucking clue how guns function and you pump it foward before pumping it back to where it idles. bolt gets pushed into the barrel because bethesda
Gotta love the fact the old earth hunting rifle had to be a vintorez, down to the ammo be the same one used in real life with its only liberty straight off the bat being that its semi-auto. They could of picked some bolt-action hunting rifle but instead went with a weapon that's used by only by the Russian military.
makes sense, Cosmonauts are very Spacey.
When I first picked one up I thought, meh... Then I saw what caliber it used and immediately threw a suppressor on it. I rocked that thing like the sniper rifle it was modeled from through 5\6ths of the main mission line.
Well, there is a civil conversion of VSS. However, it doesn't have a suppressor (it's more of a decorative barrel cover), and has 7.62x39mm and .366 TKM as well as 9x39mm variants
@@zurnieI thought it was internally suppressed…
@@arandomcommenter412 it is
I'm assuming that this game must be pretty far into the future, so I like to imagine that you can't take the scope off of the "Old Earth Hunting Rifle" because to them it's become so damn old that they haven't a clue how to use the dovetail mount.
That shotgun wouldn't function with the slide set that far back, rack the slide back and it completely covers the ejection port.
I own an Ithaca 37 Deerslayer, it's pushing at least 50 or 60. It was my dad's before I was born.
A lot of the issues I see with "futuristic guns" is that the dam things literally have junk in the way of where you body would go if you tried to hold it. Cyberpunk 2077 had a bunch of the same issues, stuff behind grips or at weird angles that "look cool" but if you actually tried to pick the gun up, there wouldn't be any way to actually hold it correctly.
That shotgun seems to have a pump forward action, you can slow down any video of its action and see. That action is probably inspired by the Neostead 2000 of South Africa. There's a video on that gun made by Forgotten Weapons. It's not that common in the pump action shotgun world but it does have its advantage.
@@mtr2192so that action actually exists? I'm a little less bothered by it now, though I still prefer normal pumps lol
@@mtr2192had a buddy whose dad was a collector of weird Eastern European guns and he had a pump-forward shotgun from...Romania, I think? Let me shoot exactly three shots from it and it was certainly a weird sensation after skeet shooting with standard pumps my whole life. Felt solid, yet lightweight and was smooth as butter.
@@CavemannerCould it be the Russian RMB-93? That's the only mass produced pump forward shotgun aside from the Neostead.
There's also another single shot shotgun similar in concept. It's called the Cobray Terminator. The firing pin is fixed and the gun is cocked by chambering a round and sliding it and the barrel forward. Pulling the trigger releases the barrel which goes rearwards and hits the firing pin.
@@mtr2192 I have no idea. This was almost 15 years ago now and I was a kid back then and wasn't super interested in specifics....oh, no, definitely not it. I just looked the RMb up and the gun I shot was definitely a standard magazine-under-barrel, not that over-barrel craziness lol. I've been trying to find the one I shot on Google but nothing is coming up that looks like what I shot. It kinda had a Izhevsk feel to it, like an old school MP-133.
To me the Old Earth Pistol looks like a gun that has been repeatedly repaired using whatever parts that could be found.
To me it looks like the modeler butchered it for no good reason.
@idontcare-ct7jm well in Starfield its been more than a 100 years, so they're probably saying "good enough I guess" and putting it on the shelf
It looks like it was modeled after the Winchester brand CO² M1911 pellet gun.
That kinda makes sense
Honestly some of the issues I can see due to the gun being so old, it'd doubtful in the starfield universe these guns are even made anymore so the ones that are still around are bound to have missing parts or refurbished parts.
I was thinking that they could have just replaced broken or missing parts with whatever old gun parts they found. So even if its not the right gun, if its good enough, they put it on the gun for it to be a working model to sell.
Most people today, me included, couldn't see most of what people who study guns can see is wrong with them so I wouldn't be surprised if a gun seller in the far future with a destroyed Earth can sell this as an "authentic" antique gun.
I'm pretty sure, that even 300 years later there will be some space-american, that will be milling 1911 in his garage while mumbling something about "two world wars".
@@Nostripe361 we kind of do that today with WWI milsurp
I like to think it’s called the old earth “hunting rifle” because some future space man seen one and said “integrally suppressed, magnified optic, wooden furniture, heavy grain rifle cartridge?! Yup, this is definitely something old earth people used for hunting medium sized game.”
That's not a pistol it's a revolver! Dad said it is! - starfield protagonist
That irks me every time he says it lol. “Dad what exactly is revolving on this gun”
@@Wooper160atThePond
Whats revolving on the gun? Technically the bullet before it launches out
This honestly bummed me out so hard, like I was happy to get a free 1911, but at the same time I was expecting a sick unique revolver as I hadn't seen any other than the rambler yet, now I have an actual peacemaker and I'm regretting specing into lasers as there's so few options
@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya
Bro same. It was good either way but... Fuck sakes...
Probably was meant to be a revolver but someone used the wrong item code. I wanna believe that..
@@Blank55600less wrong item code and more they did not make the old earth revolver. Now what would a good old earth revolver be. You can only have one and.
As a gunsmith, I recognized ALL of this off the rip 😂 I cant get to mad about it, I get to Christen these Godless space heathens with the Lord's caliber 🤣
3 world wars babyyy
@GunGirl-ct7jm I dunno where you got that idea from friend, my 1911 and I are best buds and we go everywhere together!
@GunGirl-ct7jm He's certainly not wrong, I had a feeling this is what you were referring to. Its true 1911s can be hard to work on, alot of aftermarket parts need to be hand fitted to work right because not all manufacturers make 1911s to the same spec or military GI spec. This means the gun can significantly loose reliability or straight up not work at all if parts are installed incorrectly. Some manufacturers also make 1911's with high tolerances which can be nice and work well, but be prone to jamming more often if any dirt, dust or debris gets in the gun. My 1911 is a Colt and has loose tolerances, it rattles when you shake it and runs like a Rolex watch lol
@idontcare-ct7jm your smithy has a skill issue
My issues are the VSS being used as the old earth hunting rifle and not some bolt action platform, and the AK not having a stock and a couple other things but those are my 2 biggest ones
There are no bolt actions in starfeild
i dont see any issues with the VSS being called a hunting rifle
You'd really prefer some shitty bolt rifle you see behind the counter at walmart every weekend over an exotic russian special purpose weapon? Yall have spent so long memorizing meaningless bullshit from forgotten weapons that you can't just take a cool gun at face value anymore.
They should of treated the "old world " guns as antiquities and had them more for trophies rather than weapons.
It’s kinda like that.
A spoiler for a perk ahead:
If you pick the „kid stuff” perk and you visit your parents for the second time you will receive a m1911 from your dad with the backstory being it was used by a constelation director and then framed on a wall as a collectible by an engineer.
Very passionate about firearms but I wouldn’t take it too seriously for a video game.
My dad saw me running around with Sir Livingstone's Pistol and got super excited, I didn't go into the examine screen but I'm sure he'd have pointed out some of the issues you did
They refer to his pistol as a revolver in game too. About had a coronary
@@NipplWizard I was very disappointed when I saw it wasn't, I hadn't come across any revolvers yet and was excited to be getting a free unique one
@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya same here. Livingstone's pistol worked well for a while tho. Just wish it was properly categorized and had some oomf behind it. Well all the weapons feel like they fire paperclips but that one in particular was a massive let down
@@NipplWizard yea combat is pretty spongy in true Bethesda fashion
@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya once again it's up to modders to make sure guns aren't loaded with crayons
I feel like they kinda nerfed the old Earth guns in the modding menu. It seems they gave you more options with the other guns
Eh, the only difference I really see is that the regular 1911 doesnt have a rail like the modernized one so it doesnt have a few attachments and the VSS lacking attachment variety but it feels generally the same to me on the AK. But that makes sense, these future guns are built to be more modular and their modifications are still in production.
If its 100% accurate then Bethesda would start to get calls from those gun company lawyers
I'm still skeptical of this claim. Shotgun? Maybe. 1911? Very, very big maybe. VSS Vintorez? From my understanding, not even really made by a company, and even if it was they ain't still kicking.
@@Ezekiel_Allium >VSS Vintorez? From my understanding, not even really made by a company, and even if it was they ain't still kicking.
Incorrect! They were manufactured by Tula Arms Plant who while I believe under a different name now, are still in business. Furthermore, the two designers of the firearm, although dead, only died like a few years ago so their estates definitely probably would still care if they still hold the patent rights. Otherwise the patent holder would most likely be *checks notes* The Russian Government. I don't think BGS wants that kind of flak. (Assuming the Russian government has a working flak gun anyway).
@@Vaprous it was my belief that Soviet arms plants were fully nationalized and not private companies, I could be wrong but that was my understanding.
And I'm sure the plant is still operational, but I doubt in at all the same way as it was before.
And well, does the Russian Government have the intellectual property rights of the Soviet union? They very well could, or they could not, I dunno. But would they be interested in suing a videogame company if they did? I very much doubt it.
More like they'd get calls by both Gun lawyers and Anti-Gunners saying "you're advertising for children"
@@Vaprous
Go back to /k/ Mr.4Chan, you don’t belong here…
"Old Earth Hunting Rifle", we use the VSS as a Hunting Rifle?
I dunno if you tested the Old Earth Shotgun in-game, but it’s a forward pumping shotgun.
not even that, it pumps forward and THEN back (further then it starts) and then goes back into position.
it is an abomination and i despise it.
@@VimyGlide Bethesda can't do shotguns, man. Except in Fallout 76, that was as close to passable they ever got.
@@wasdwazdLet's be honest, Starfield has the best firearms design Bethesda has done themselves. They are really bad at doing guns
@@wasdwazd Hell, in the entire history of the Fallout games, there have only been 3 pump action shotguns, the first of which was in Tactics, the first core game to have a pump action was *New Vegas* , with the third overall in 76. The series as a whole trends towards semi-auto.
@@wasdwazd Actually they did once, long ago when they made a Terminator game. Then again that was also from a time where their games had a lot more depth, they only had one game studio, and was before Morrowind was seen as their magnum opus. Modern Bethesda couldn't give us a proper pump action shotgun.
No one ever talks about how F U C K E D the trigger guard is on that model and it blows my mind.
It hurts.
I think the 1911 might have been based off a airsoft 1911 that would explain the missing housing and the random hole next to the slide release
Zach Hazard, as a gun nut you should have noticed that the grip/trigger alignment on the Elegance would be crazy uncomfortable to actually try and hold.
Lol, the image flashed by and I saw a mixture of the 223 pistol/10mm from early Fallout games. But when I stopped on the image, the grip just drove me nuts. Figured you might want to look at that thing too, basically have to use your middle finger on the trigger, or have an angled or really low grip.
As someone who loves both those revolvers (mostly for the look) I like the elegance, I don't think the grip is actually too small as it's kind of a big revolver, at least comparing it to my rhino it seems similar in beef
@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya no, I mean look at where the grip puts the web of your hand in relation to the trigger. The web is set too high, it ends up aligning the trigger with the wrong finger.
@@13shadowwolf I don't think so? If you've got your index on the trigger, middle right below in that single groove, then ring and pinky right below at the bottom of the grip which looks big enough for two fingers, I think maybe in big clunky space suit hands it'd be too small maybe
@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya if your index finger is on the trigger, then the web of your hand is way too low. The web of that grip aligns the middle finger with the trigger. Draw an imaginary line from the trigger straight back, that's where the swell of your hand where your thumb joint is. The grip has that part higher on the back, it would put your hand/wrist at an extremely bad angle to try and aim the gun.
I have worked on enough gun types to be absolutely sure, that if you built that in real life, it would be an absolute bitch to hold onto.
@@13shadowwolf I think I see what you're saying, though honestly I'm very much a physical learner so I'd have to get my hands on a to scale model to actually see
Ancient, rusty, centuries old weapons are somehow more powerful than high tech modern weapons...
Same with armours: some 300 years old NASA spacesuit is more advanced than UC marine combat armor. Amazing logic Bethesda.
There's an old AK in there as well, with the zhukov handguard covered with spacetape.
as i just repaired and conserved a 22lr 1911 clone from llima I can tell you not only does the fire arm not cycle without out the plunger tube, but it also drags the safety across the serrations causing it to effectively gind away material.
Em weapons are tasers. The wiggle wave length icon means it's mostly non lethal.
The Electromagnetic Wave symbol does not mean it’s mostly non-lethal. If you want an example of some very much not-taser-like EM Weapons from real life, look up aircraft mounted lasers from the US Military.
Also Tasers and Lasers function completely differently and have very little mechanistic similarity.
@@bob38028
You fail to understand what I mean and what I was talking about. If you played the game you'd know the nova light pistol and rifle usually drop with EM modifications making them less than lethal by being literal tasers.
@@bob38028In-game EM weapons function like tasers, they can knock enemies off their feet if they don’t have the Concussive perk.
@@Blank55600 I know its petty, but if you'd played the game, you'd know there are two EM mods, EM Beams and EM Charged Shot, so you need to specify which one you're talking about.
The EM Beams mod may behave like a taser but does not make a weapon a taser. I honestly don't even know why I commented earlier since people playing a casual game probably aren't interested in the technical difference between a taser and an electrically charged bullet.
@@bob38028
"casual"
Not casual. Because I just don't like the nova guns. Rest I've tuned and modded.
Why couldn’t they use a Vepr Hunter as the “old Earth hunting rifle” if they needed something in 7.62 while being… an actual hunting weapon?
My theory on the grips for the AK and VSS is that they're intended to make it easier to grip with a space suit on
tbh the most annoying thing about the VSS is they call it a "Hunting Rifle".
Like yeah I bet you could hunt with 9x39, people hunt with all sorts of stuff, but they could have just called it a Rifle and it would have been fine. It wasn't made with hunting in mind, as far as I'm aware.
Yeah but if people 350 years in the future dug one up from an excavation site saw it they might go: "Oh a classy wood stock, a silencer and a scope! This was probably a hunting rifle." We make assumptions about stuff people had 350 years ago all the time, people these days still think nobody lived over 40 and only like 10% of the population could read back in the 1700's.
A heavier, larger bullet like 9x39mm makes sense for hunting large game and they wouldn't know it was made specifically for silently shooting targets wearing mediocre 80's body armor, we've already moved onto defeating hard armor with high velocity bullets and that's likely to remain the case for quite some time. Future people would likely have no idea there was a 20-ish year period out of probably hundreds of years where body armor could be defeated by subsonic bullets. In this universe they literally wouldn't even know what a labrador retriever is if there wasn't a chocolate candy named after them, and that candy modeled in-game isn't even shaped like a chocolate lab it's shaped like a pug.
@@DaleErnieMichael we have 300 year old guns now that we understand the provenance of. They’re just being lazy
@Hamun002 Dude there's literally a gun from the Civil War in the National Fireams Museum that we THINK has a coffee grinder built into it, we don't actually know what the grinder is for we just think it was for coffee. That was just the Civil War, not a global extinction event that erased all human culture.
@@DaleErnieMichael it was a global extinction event in the same way it was a fire drill. we saved oak barrels to make whiskey out of. none of that shit was nearly as dire as anyone thinks it was.
@@Hamun002 There are literally two cities worth of humans left and not a single other organism of Earth origin in existence. Per the lore only 200,000 people made it off Earth. That was an extinction. The Bible, the most common book in the world which is the basis around almost all of human culture, didn't even survive that holocaust.
The people in Starfield know objectively very little about themselves.
Zach, you're the reason I'm a gun nerd now
Honestly something about the 1911 in this game always seemed off, I always thought it had something to do with the shape of the slide, but what you said made alot more sense.
The trigger guard is also a factor
@@gohunt001-5 the entire frame is wrong
I know it's useless to be mad about pedantry in the comments of a Zach Hazard clip but I just know that many of these people don't care about similar (Or in many cases, worse) discrepancies between the model and real firearms when it comes to something like NV
I would say that the reason they'd have mixed parts is because as years went on parts/replacements weren't made anymore especially once more powerful weapons came out so they had to make do with other models parts. They also probably custom made parts that tried to look as close to the originals but weren't quite perfect. This could add to the loss of the actual name of the gun as it had so many iterations, to back this up they have the xm 2311 pistol which is the reissue. Also to have missing screws would be accurate as it is like centuries old.
They could be cheap imitations made from looking at old earth movies and the internal components are all wacky because they use contemporary bullet feeding mechanisms
This video made me realize that mods will bring tons of old earth guns and ammo and of course some new creations with futuristic concepts of them that will most likely look and feel better than the Vanilla.
The Old Earth Shotgun seems like it’s based on Hicks’ Shotgun from Aliens
The Old Earth Assault rifle is another one. Can't put a stock on it though.
Missing/"wrong" parts could be pretty easily explained by the fact that it's supposed to be like 300 years old at that point, and given that it's still being used, it makes perfect sense that it would have been modified, jerry rigged, or otherwise broken down.
I like to imagine that the lore is that none of the actual guns have survived, so all thats left is the approximations people made after the fact using remants of notes, parts, and pictures.
That shot gun pump grip was WAY too far back. Especially to have that bolt still closed. There was literally no room to pump the pump action.
My thought on the old earth guns is repair parts not available some things had to be made and they're going to get stuff wrong or they shoved Parts together that sort of fit or made them fit
Can’t wait for the modding scene on Starfield to really pop off, would be cool to get a bunch of other “old earth” weapons such as an M4A1, M16, M17, Makarov, SKS, Remington 870, M9 Berreta, and others
One thing I don't understand about games modeling guns is how sometimes they'll model stuff like screw holes where a piece, sometimes an important piece, of the gun would go, but refuse to model that piece.
I love how one gun is just called “space P90”
For my lore purposes those missing parts on the 1911 is because its so far into the future they are broken or lost
Id love for him to react to shadow the hedgehog pumping a machine gun like a pump action shotgun in the opening for the game.
The pump on the shotgun looks like when you pump it back it would block the ejection port and cause a jam
The position of the pump on that old earth shotgun should have the bolt in the open position instead of the closed position. That's really my main gripe with that model...
The Old Earth Shotgun should come with the "Short Barrel" mod as standard since its a 6 shot. The standard barrel is actually a 9 shot. 🫤
- A Mossberg 590 owner.
The 1911 also doesn’t lock back on empty, and the character also manually cycles the action every time you reload.
its an ancient weapon, ofc not everything works right.
I used to have a 1911 airsof replica and the second I saw the Old Earth Gun O could tell something was off about the controls, although I couldn't quite put my finger on it
The shotgun pumps backwards. Forward to open the bolt and back to close the bolt
honestly the 1911 is probably the way it is because by the point in which starfield takes place, it is a very, very old gun, it's probably not in good condition, it's probably had some parts fall off or break and there just aren't replacements
I feel like all of these are just "we found the old blueprints but they got burnt or something and we have a vague idea on how they go together sooo yeehaw" situation
Don't forget they also have an old Earth ak-47. I found one off a dead spacer
I find it funny when a sci-fi/future setting still have a 1911. Even Warhammer 40k still has them in the Lore. Muh two world wars, unification war and 13 black crusades!
"The Colt 1911. 100 years of service, and ready for 100 more."
I really would not be surprised if the "story" behind that specific gun was something like the ship of Theseus, where it's had so many parts replaced and fabricated in machine shops that it's not truly an original save for in spirit, hence the missing/mismatched parts, and wonky machine/woodwork.
I just wish the earth sniper rifle was the bolt action from fallout or something a little cooler
A VSS is way cooler than a left-handed R700, even if it makes little sense being there
@@roguereaver634 I think my complaint with it is that it's labeled as a "hunting rifle", I mean I guess you _could_ go hunting with a VSS, but I can't think of something that it would be particularly well suited to hunt, other than humans. Perhaps some alien species or something. Personally, if I were to incorporate an "Old Earth Hunting Rifle" I would be more inclined to have something a bit more generally associated with hunting, such as the aforementioned Remington 700 (be it left or right-handed), perhaps a Mauser (pretty much any model), or even a lever-action. Just seems like an odd choice to pick for an antique "hunting rifle", y'know
@@UnhorsedGooseThe VSS would be a great hunting rifle for medium range 9x39 is a very capable cartridge
Also it’s considered a hunting rifle because the game takes place thousands of years in the future and humans didn’t leave earth in game in anytime around now
With European laws being nice to suppressors and the VSS in game being semi auto I could see it being legalized and very popular for hunting because it’s cool AF
@@whyareusobad3528 I'm not saying it's not good at hunting, I'm sure it'd be fine, more that it just seems like an odd choice given all the more readily-available tailor-made hunting rifles we have nowadays. Of everything to have survived thousands of years into the future and cemented itself into history as the definitive, ultimate, be-all and end-all "Earth Hunting Rifle", I would definitely not expect a Soviet VSS Vintorez to be it. Just a personal opinion, not gonna get combative about it, I just agree with others that it does seem like a bit of an odd choice.
@@UnhorsedGoose I guess but I’m just saying I could see it falling under some of the last guns legally allowed to use
Because it is semi auto suppressed and 10 round mags which that is allowed in a lot of places(suppressors are common outside of the US) and I think that with gun laws being stricter in the future the VSS could be remade for civilians use
Not to mention the bullets don’t travel to far which some countries prohibit long range ammo in hunting
Safety on the old earth shotgun and bayonet lug isn’t from the 500, it’s from the 590
Like other folks already said
M1911 (and other old earth guns to a lesser degree) looking like that can be explained by them simply kitbashing multiple 1911s and its derivatives due to very limited supply of parts of these well into the future especially with earth, where most of these would have been made being gone
It hurts my head on the shotgun how you pump forward and then back to eject the spent shells. Its super fast but the animation rides the pump forward, THEN back
Not unheard-of for a shotgun to have a back-foward-back pumping action. See the neostead.
@@toasteronleg not unheard of but there is probably a reason that there's a gold standard for pump actions. But that's my tism talking rather than nitpicking.
Is just no one going to talk about where the VSS scope is mounted?
It's not attached to the side mount at all and pushed forward despite the fact they model in the mounting position behind it.
you probably can't take the scope off because no one knows how to, considering it's ancient technology.
my lore explanation would be that metals don't oxidize in the vacuum of space, and so repeated removal and attachment of the scope could've caused the pre-existing oxidation layers to be removed, which then could cause cold welding to occur, which makes the scope impossible to remove after that
@@alexandertheok9610 it's not like everyone lives and only handles guns in vacuum, though.
Pretty sure they still have levers, and I think they could figure out a dovetail pretty easily
@@Ezekiel_Alliumexactly, like they've got gravity drives that can travel light years in the blink of an eye, I find it ridiculous to consider removing this "ancient unfathomable tech"
@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya that's not how knowledge works.
Zach is that usher meme rejecting future weapons and sticking to old Earth guns
You mean Drake?
@@theangrysangheili I guess, hahaha, I don't listen that type of music so I really don't know the name of the guy 😅🤣
I'm just mad that the old earth rifle doesn't have the option for a stock. Like, why am I able to make stock mods for everything else, but i need to fire this thing like a maniac.
> vintorez
> hunting rifle
ok bethesda
That's Biehn's shotgun in Terminator and Aliens.
I'm more mad they didn't put a 1911 in fallout but put it in a futuristic space shooter
Similar to many weapons in Resident Evil, I usually assume most weapons in games are just fictional variants of real world weapons, as to avoid any legal issues and to justify any other changes to how they work in gameplay, like recoil, ammo capacity, accuracy, ect
Also for all we know none of the “old earth” guns exist yet in our timeline
How much cosmoline do you need to keep a VSS from deteriorating over 1000 years
Ah yes the VSS, definitely the most iconic hunting rifle of them all.
for hunting mujahidin in afghanistan...
Ah yes, old earth hunting rifle, a frickin VSS Vintorez.
Im honestly just happy the old word handgun is actually pistol sized lol
I would personally chalk most mistakes here up to the fact this game is putting its effort and budget into sci fi stuff, not trying to be a realistic around modern era shooter
AGH, I saw the missing plunger tube right away.
I have the same sentiment for the VSS I REALLY wish you could remove the scope it was first thing I tried to do when I got that weapon
I think that handguard is funky because that particular VSS has the laser sight mod on it.
Nah they all look like that laser or no
The pump on the shotty looks like a Fort-500's. The grip and stock also kinda do but not certain on it
Considering these weapons survived in circulation for so long really should let you give a little leeway for missing and modified parts.
Thats like pulling a medieval crossbow out the shop in the 23rd century and being disappointed that the string has been repaired with paracord.
No. That’s just wrong. Missing the entire assembly for the safety on the 1911 pistol makes the gun useless. Also it would be stupid and wrong to replace a crossbow string with paracord because paracord would break under the tension.
Tell me you get your knowledge of weapons from video games without telling me.
The pump one the shotgun is almost as far back as it would be when the gun is cycled to the rear. That's been my biggest annoyance so far. I didnt even notice that the detent spring housing is missing from the side of the 1911! Ugh, i like what they did with alot of guns, but there are some pain points to a gun guy.
The I find yet hilarious is these guns are at a minimum 200 years old and in some cases more powerful then what would be essentially "modern firearms" in starfield. All this time learning how to make caseless ammo precision machinery useing advanced technology and materials. 12 gauge might as well be a blunderbuss
Nice to see Bethesda didn't forget the Cheese Grater on the shotgun.
As a fellow 91F you're doing the lords work Zach. Scrutinizing game firearms to a tee.
The holes on the slide of the 1911 were for the safety and slide release when the slide is back. And you load shells into the shotgun with the pumphandle forward...You ever fire a gun?
Did you just ask the guy who’s entire job was to repair small arms for the army if he has ever fired a gun?
@@cowerdnerddespacito9518 yes. Being part of a government organization doesn't immediately negate the possibility of incompetence. The opposite in fact.
@@joshuamcdowell1460 it sure means he’s fired a gun though
@@cowerdnerddespacito9518 does it though? A random person on youtube I've never encountered before, claiming things I can't even look up to confirm or deny, does not irrefutable evidence of firearms experience make.
John Moses Browning’s work outlived earth, even if a few parts were lost along the way
I'd like to think the model designers knew exactly what they were doing with these. They know how to get the gun models just right enough but also wrong enough to piss gun nuts off.
Also the 1911 in the game holds 9 rounds, not 7. That's a very strange change
Space technology has advanced so far they can fit more rounds in the mag
The one thing I don't like about the shotgun is just how far back the pump is. Is it that hard for Bethesda to just make a gun normal and not have some glaring flaw?
These gun rants are definitely funnier when I'm drunk. 🤪🥴🤣
volume on this video is incredible low, thought my headset was in for a second, nope, just really quiet
The grip panel on the pistol looks cracked, I think it might be shortened intentionally.
Not sure about Vintorez, but i can easily imagine 1911, AK-74 and Ithaca (i think?) still be available and working in the future. Both shotgun and pistol were already feaured in some sci-fi movies, f.e. Aliens and AK-74´s main stregth is its incredible sturdiness even in hands of an idiot.
For copyright reasons they have to make it distinctive enough to put a copyright
Bro that 1911 is 300 years old, it's just missing parts and probably had something mounted to that hole drilled into it. Hell I've got a 1911 that's a mish-mash of WW1 and A1 style parts, and that safety is correct for an A1 they didn't change until post war with commercial models.
Old Earth Shotgun… I like to keep this handy.. for close encounters
It would be funny if the "old earth guns" was mordern guns, kinda like modern guns exists on star wars as slug throwers but no one outside mandalorians and the sand people use it