@tehjunkfood IT not Joe saying it Nancy Pelosi changed the law by way your ID. Crazy 🤪 but these Woke group think men can have babies after they get ginger changed. ...Dr are good to make a vaginas but can't make it produce a child ....These woke men wants be women 🚺 its crazy .they have had trama in their life mainly as a child
And thats FINE. If you disagree with someone's pronouns the respectful thing to do is to simply not associate with them, NOT make it a political issue.
@@Brucifer2 that's all well and good until you end up working with one and get forced to either cave to their demands or lose your job. 99% of employers will shitcan you the SECOND they catch even a whiff of "transphobia". I worked in a call center with one of these people. A fucking monolith of a man with hairy legs in a sundress. He could use whatever bathroom he wanted and was best friends with both of the women running HR. Everybody walked on eggshells around him because they knew he could take a baseball bat to their lives on a whim. You can't just ignore this shit with a "live and let live" mentality. They'll make their problems your problems whether you like it or not.
@@cypress_is_repulsivvyou HAVE a demon. It’s not that you are one. We all have demons to fight, yours is in your head the same with the rest of us. The most powerful word you can learn to say is No! And mean it.
@@DonCarver. let me tell you something, I don’t call myself non binary just for the hell of it. I hate being a dude, being overly masculine, forced into masculine things, I hate it. I hate the look I’m supposed to have as a man. and, I don’t wanna be a girl, so I decide that I’m neither. besides, I’m not religious, but that should not be the reason someone is sent down to eternal punishment. that should be based off the character of someone.
In my native language, personal pronouns do not distinguish between genders. It differentiates according to whether it points to a person or to an object, animal, etc. If it were the same in English, I'm pretty sure this gender nonsense wouldn't exist. Because this is the root of the whole problem.
Your generation was very ignorant, the generations before you ruined the world for our generations but now that we have a thing or just try to be ourselves we get made fun of or called demons by the idiots that ruined everything for us. Even as a straight cis guy is still find that ridiculous
@@emperor8716 if a customer named Sam emailed and you weren’t sure if THEY were male or female. You would address them as “they” as I have in this sentence because it is NEUTRAL!!!
Absolutely agree! What if "they identify as a furry"... schools actually putting litter boxes in rest rooms.. it's crazy🤪🤡.. why are sane adults putting up with this..time to get on school boards and disagree.. our tax dollars should not be paying for this insanity!
They (plural) can also be singular. Ironically, when you don’t know what they (singular) are. The mechanic called… ok, what did ‘they’ say? They said your car is ready… ok, tell ‘them’ I’ll be right there.
@@kingwildcats dad is singular, dads is plural, dad’s is singular possessive, dads’ is plural possessive. I hope somebody that types ‘where u go…’ isn’t criticizing anybody else’s application of grammar.
them /T͟Hem,T͟Həm/ pronoun 1. used as the object of a verb or preposition to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified. "I bathed the kids and read them stories"
"I" is a pronoun. It should be capitalized by mandate. Only pronoun to do that. Any thoughts on that, or did you just come here to spout the only joke you all have?
That’s just how the insufferable “anti-woke” crowd roll. They’ve reached the point where they will claim a literal dictionary has to be false. I’ve heard many claim “phobia” EXCLUSIVELY means fear. Sure buddy. Are hydrophobic substances SCARED of water now?
The only time they/them has ever been used as a singular, is if the subject is an unknown person or persons. Otherwise, it's never been used as a singular pronoun. People making the argument that it isn't only plural always seem to miss this fact. Or you all just pretend to be ignorant. Either way... It's a little sad.
@@sebastienfoneyn pronouns are more than just the gender conversation we have nowadays, it, he, she, they, we, us, you are all pronouns, going off your point it implies that pronouns are pointless once you know the person’s gender Just say you hate people and move on it’s a lot easier
It really is incredible that the whole "its plural" crap is still tried. Like we get it, you're a complete failure of a human and you're not afraid to let us know😊
@@themann6575 Something sounding normal to you isn't important. Everybody experiences life differently. If your mom told someone to please not call her Ma'am and then continued to do that, wouldn't you think that was rude and they were purposefully disrespecting your mom?
@@TheBlightedSouls it makes no sense when you’re seeing the person right in front of you and can clearly tell what they are. Hard not to say “she” when you’re clearly talking to a woman.
There are hundreds of gender neutral pronouns and yet people want to be a plural. It's not about how you feel its about being narcissist who want to control people for the power of it.
Yeahhh regardless of how you feel on gender *anything*, this is just a fact and these guys pretending that it isn't makes their argument so much weaker
It only works when you didn't see the person. That's why the word "person" exist too. They/them is for plural in most cases. All the case you people are giving are when the person isn't there or is unknown 😑
@@mathieul4303 "Oh hey mom my friend Jason said that they want to come over" is completely grammatically correct, stop whining. Biology is complicated , showing respect and kindness isn't.
@@cypress_is_repulsivv I don't care what you do as long as you don't try to force me to believe in your fantasy and keep your sexual preferences/deviant lifestyle away from children.
Yet the some of the worst demons wear the crucifix or other religious garb 🤷🏻♂️ or the demon that calls itself your god yet gives kids cancer or watches millions starve or kids get beaten, only a true demon can watch that and do nothing
@@paulmcfeeters5554 The correct modern diagnosis is multiple personality disorder (MPD). It comes after narcissistic personality disorder and to be completely honest, I've noticed that 85% or more of today's democrats show signs of (NPD). That's also why they hate Donald Trump so much without a reason of cause, they do not like people who they feel are above them... I like Trump but he is also a narcissist (grandiose), But that is also why he is the perfect person to fight against them as weird as it sounds.
They/them pronouns have been around for much longer than most people think. I can understand how some might find it confusing. Sometimes it trips me up too. But life is so god damn chaotic and painful already, do I really need to lose sleep over showing someone a simple courtesy to help their life feel a *little* less chaotic and tumultuous? It’s not that deep, guys. Just be kind.
They/them is not just plural. It's also used when the gender of the person is unknown. "I saw one person in the distance on the beach. They were making a sand castle."
@@321findus Since when is simplification a bad thing? Language evolves, if you stay conservative you’re just going to fall behind. The same reason we aren’t talking in Old English is the same reason “they” is a valid way to refer to an individual whom you have no idea the pronoun of
I'll call people what they want, but grammatically this is wrong. The rule on pronoun-antecedent agreement tells us that "his or her" is the correct form of the pronoun to use.
@@321findus It's not lazy, you use "they" when you don't know or cannot determine the gender. In my example the person is in the distance and too far away to make a good identification or guess of their gender.
It means you want folks to say, "that's what they said" instead of "that's what he said" or, "You will have to talk to them about it" rather than, "you will have to talk to her about it". That's how it works. But forcing others to try to always REMEMBER that is not practical at ALL.
Blanket terms and even then this isn’t singular 😂😂 who tf is them over there? Once you identify gender that blanket term goes away did all that and you wrong as hell boy y’all need to go back to English 101
I also thought that. When writing an essay in elementary, you use they or their to address them when you don't know their gender or if they are human. I just thought that applied to the ladder.
@@samuraijackoff5354 if “hey, them, come here real quick” when talking to someone you know doesn’t make sense to you then this they/them pronouns bullsh*t shouldn’t either, you get it?
Well this would be correct if you don't know the gender of the person. If you know the gender, it sounds weird to say "their". The problem isn't really about the pronouns imo. If a person doesn't identify as a male or a female, then "they/them" would be correct, but not identifying as one or the other gender is just ridiculous.
@Masked Gamer it does feel odd, but it is a natural extention of the word from how it has been used. Words evolve and are used for different things. You can adapt to it, or not- or just speak in old English if you want... doesn't make it incorrect to use
Yes it is used in singular sense aswell. But it's only when you don't know the gender of the subject. Your example though is wrong. When you ask where's you friend, the answer would either be he/she is over there, considering he /she is your friend, you already know the gender of your friend.
@@phunchu8202 It is not ONLY used when you don't know their gender? There isn't a rule saying that they/them is only when you don't know their gender.
@@dethgnome They/them is only used in a singular sense when you don't know the gender of the subject. Now if there isn't a rule try and make up a sentence where you know the gender of the subject and still use they/them to address the subject.
@@sinoist742 Neuter term is used when you don't know the gender of the person. And people who claim to be of different gender than what they were born with are delusional.
Yes. “They” can abstractly define the human condition, but it does not accurately define a specific person. This does not mean it’s suddenly some alternate way to tangibly describe yourself. You’re still ultimately, a he or a she.
@@pcaul8156 Intersex people can still be identified as a male or a female via their chromosomes, even with the extremely rare chromosome abnormalities that exist. Stop using an extremely minuscule population to push your agenda, maybe? Are you trying to say all intersex people use they/them pronouns? Because they don’t, in fact most intersex people try to find a sense of normality and pick a gender if the parents didn’t do it as a child.
"I talked to the banker today." "Oh? What did they say?" "This cashier was so rude to me!" "No way? What did they do?" It's not always a plural. It's used naturally whenever a more distinct gender is not known. Thus it makes perfect sense to use it when boy or girl isn't appropriate because of choice instead of information lack.
@Kung Mikami Dude I just explained how the word works grammatically so if you are operating under a different structure than the one I have explained you are literally doing it wrong for YOUR comfort
@Kung Mikami So pretend we're talking in person and I say to you, "I talked to the banker." You're legit going to respond, "Oh? What did he or she say?" Or maybe you'd first ask me for the banker's pronouns before asking what they said? I mean, if so, I guess that's somewhat progressive of you. You might be on the right track after all? It just seems a bit cumbersome to me when 'they' is both grammatically and politically correct.
@Kung Mikami Within the context of our conversation, I say to you, "I talked to the banker." It's because my intent is to communicate the occupation of the person I talked to, to you. My intent isn't to communicate their gender, because that information is totally irrelevant. You wouldn't need it to comprehend what I plan to say next about whatever happened at the bank. So here would be the options we have if we want to meet your criteria that you avoid using a singular 'they': Option 1.) I say "I talked to the banker" and you say "What did the banker say?" Grammatically correct, yes, but you are limiting yourself to repeating only and exactly the information I've given because you don't know the gender, don't want to ask, and can't fathom using "they" in a singular form for some reason. Are you committed to doing that every time I omit someone's gender and you don't already know it? That's complicated, in my opinion, but you do you. I'd let you do it, but what I'm telling you now is that it would be YOUR OWN self-imposed restriction. Not one I've forced into you for my comfort. Option 2) If I know you well enough to anticipate that you're going to want to use 'he' or 'she' when you reply to me, I'll be sure to specify the banker's gender when I tell you about our conversation at the bank, even though that gender information is irrelevant to me and doesn't affect the event at the bank I'm explaining. And if I do this for you, it would be me comprehending YOUR language preferences and accommodating YOU. Not the reverse.
@@KuroiFey It works grammatically when you don't know the gender of the subject. But when a person is standing right infront of you or you know who the person is, you don't use they/them.
@@mrsmirx4176youd rather inconvenience yourself than say one word. Words and language evolve all the time. Why you gotta be afraid of change. Small little pea brain of yours smh
@@mrsmirx4176 I'm not saying I necessarily agree with her message, but using 'they' in the context the OP did is something that's done all the time without a second thought. Both sides be splitting hairs now.
And the alphabet community are the "I don't need to pay attention to biology classes. I already know biology." Kinda student. Also, you don't use comma in that sentence so you might wanna pay attention to your classes.
@@vleaky3430 hi, biologist here, if you actually did research youd find a lot of interesting papers about how sex isn’t always binary and the difference between sex and gender and how biology is in favor of trans people
This whole argument is to appease someone's insecurities, that I will not do. I'm going to prey on your insecurities to remind you of your inferior position on this world and hold that power above your dense ass head forever. Speaking generally of course.
Your highness, what are you doing out of the castle? They might come after you and take your gender!! [Coming from a nonbinary person I'm kidding guys don't kill me-]
You can refer to a single person as they/them for example, you can say “I was talking to someone the other night.” And someone can ask “What did they say?” and that’s a way that you can refer to a single person with those words.
that is true but whilst im a supporter of gay and trans rights i do agree, the plural thing is confusing. 'i said to them' more often mean you were talking to a group than an individual. we need a better term i think.
The problem is when you ask what did “THEY” say its inferring that you are talking about more than one person which leads to confusion because that’s not how you speak the English language when referring to one person. It’s that simple. Pick a fuckin name or a gender and stop crying to ppl over ur insecurities.
@@anthonyjarvis9472 lol jesus. The reason why someone would use they/them is because it keeps their gender ambiguous. It actually makes a lot of sense and is also grammatically correct. They are just saying they do not want to be labeled as he/she and prefer the pronouns they/them in the singular sense of the word. Crazy how this is confusing or difficult to grasp. Instead of saying he/she went to the bathroom all you gotta do is say they went to the bathroom. Its that simple lol.
@@jawkojawko7094 listen to me when i tell you im a supporter of gay and trans rights and your condescending attitude is the biggest issue that people have with this topic. you have no right to do that and i argue that it isnt that simple 'lol'. so i could ask you who is going to the bathroom and you could say he/she or Alex for example, i would then know who is going to the bathroom. if you say 'they are going to the bathroom' i would ask who are they? because to me they is used more as a plural than a singular in common language. it is pretty unnecessary IMO, either go by your name or create a name that relates to you but dont just 'label' everyone as stupid for being confused by something that is confusing by nature!!! whilst i believe in somebodies right to express their gender how they see fit i dont believe you should expect the world to consider your insecurities at all times, we all have labels we dont like but 99% of people just get on with life and ignore it so why shouldnt trans people, they should be respected but they arent due anymore effort or consideration than the next person!!
I’m pretty sure they/them can be used to refer to a singular person, such as whenever we refer to someone in conversation as “They went out to walk the dogs” some food for thought
The first recorded use of singular they is in the late 1300s, in a poem called William and the werewolf. Singular they has been in use for over 600 years. This is a grammar dispute that belongs in the late medieval period.
She went out to walk the dog. He went out to walk the dog. One would not correctly say they went out to walk the dog if it was only one person who went.
@@Vinny.X No it wouldn't be an idiot because that person would have to know that it's his. If that person don't know THEY might use they as an ambiguous pronoun which is very common.
I identify as innocent. Sadly, the judge who is working on my murder case keeps identifying me wrongly and calling me guilty. We have to fight against this injustice and oppression!!
If you truly thought you were innocent but you were found guilty, you would almost certainly appeal the decision until you were found innocent. You would work to change the minds of people who are determined to oppress you based on their incorrect identification of you. So even in your unoriginal joke at the expense of transpeople who just want to live their lives, you keep deliberately ignoring reality.
If I’m walking behind someone who drops something from their pocket, I would simply say “they dropped something”. It has always been like this, I don’t understand why people are so confused by this very simple thing that has always been in our lexicon.
What about zee zer and zim lmao . Anyone who believes They’re a ‘zer’ rather than a he or she is mentally fucked up and needs to be on medication for mental problems.
There is boy and girl. Nothing else. If you feel like your something else other than a boy or girl then smack your head on the closet wall as hard as you can maybe that will help.
Why get upset that someone can't figure out sensible pronoun usage when they can't even figure what sex they are? They got wayyy bigger problems than labels.
As someone whose first language uses gender-neutral pronouns, it's unfortunate that these bored westerners use this fact as an argument as to why they are neither male or female. We are still either male or female here, guys, and so are you.
That's a big assumption on your part and yes it's only singular for a person of unknown gender If you know there's a person but not if they're a guy or girl you use they but if you can clearly see and identify them then using it would be incorrect
@@ghosttheprogram6973 , it's got nothing to do with knowing. They/them are singular, gender-neutral pronouns and can be used any time you don't want to specify gender for any reason. That you don't know a person's gender is probably the most common reason but that it must be the only reason is something that you just made up. This was the case before anyone knew what a trans or non-binary person was and it hasn't changed now that we do.
@@wunnell the only time is used "when you don't want to specify gender" in any sort of appropriate context is when you wish to hide the gender of a known person which still falls under unknown gender not everyone aware of the gender and you still use it That's not how it works Did you happen to go to some low quality school?
@@ghosttheprogram6973 , show me any evidence that these "rules" of yours exist. You can't because they only exist in your head to justify your position. The facts of the matter are that they/them are singular, gender-neutral pronouns and always have been. The rest is just something you made up. Any further baseless assertions on your part will be ignored. I'm open to actual evidence though.
@@wunnell "evidence" You mean like the actual usage of the word both historically and in proper context? As stated before it could be your school was low quality but even in basic American English (butchered actual English but whatever) it's almost exclusively the case that "they/them" is used properly as singular when referring to a stranger/unidentified person "You've got someone on the line Timmy, I don't know who they are but they've been waiting for a while" "Did you see Sarah, they're acting very weird" The former example is the correct contextual use of singular reference they/them and the second is incorrect use Now you can say that's false or whatever else you will but that changes absolutely nothing in regards to it being true
Yes when you're having a conversation and you're talking about a single person yes you would refer to them as them in the conversation. However you don't identify people as they/them when you speak directly to the individual, duh
Bruh are you guys doing this because of ignorance or something? Do you use they/them when you know the gender of someone? A doctor you don't know the gender of is one of the exceptions where you can use "they" as singular... But in most cases, "they" is for plural. You only use "they" when you lack data about someone... Sigh
Lol forreal. It'd be much simpler if transphobes just said they didn't like trans people because it made them question their own identities in a way that makes them uncomfortable.
Nah, you’d say 'his wallet'. That’s how it’s been for centuries, that’s how it should remain. Acknowledging 'their' or 'they' as a pronoun to be used singularly is to enable the delusion that an individual person can refer to himself as a 'they'.
In English, they them is used for singular persons when the gender is unknown, so it makes perfect sense. If your wife came home and said to you, "Someone at the store said hello." You might reply, "What did they say?" I guess he should have paid more attention in school.
You're not wrong, but I it's a bit of a stretch to try and justify it. There are two genders, they is not a gender. The reason why this topic is so heated is because one side views things differently from another. The right view it as purely logical, ie 2 gender, you can't change it, and they is plural except when broken for an argument. The left view it as more emotional than anything, valuing how people feel, even if it does not help long term. Yes your are right that "they" CAN be used for one person, but that's not the definition. It's true meaning is to replace a plural that's also possessive, so you are referring to a group of gendered people. The listener is supposed to use context for decking the gender of said group. Edit: excuse the broken English, though I'm sure your familiar with that term.
first of all there are 2 types of pronouns ones that hold gender and ones that are gender neutral He and she have gender They and them do not This allows us to refer to people who we know and don’t know the gender of or to speak more casually even if we do know the gender. Now that you understand that then comes in the traditional usages of the English language. The pronouns they and them existed multiple centuries before he or she. They and them traditionally were much more commonly used to refer to singular people. When the pronouns he and she were introduced people argued to change they and them to plural only pronouns. You can look up what I said and find similar information on Wikipedia All of this pages use references from official dictionaries Wikipedia: He (pronoun) States the 15th century the or Middle English period (though this date is argued from 15-18th century from multiple sources) the definition of he referring to a man and the one we use to this day was formed. Wikipedia: She pronoun Has similar information to the he pronoun forming in the Middle English period Wikipedia: Singular they This pronoun emerged in the 14th century (argued earlier by other sources) and only more recently during the 18th century and introduction of the he and she pronouns has it been criticized by people like you. But more recently people who criticize it forgot the traditional values of the word and don’t understand history
@@baldfelix1841, I appreciate the information above. Maybe I misunderstand you, but you seem to be making a case for they them to be used as a singular at times, as do I. Are we not on the same side of the issue?
Excellent examples. Yes, often in cases when the gender of a person is unknown, it is appropriate and I assume grammatically correct to refer to that individual as “they” or “them”. I’ve been doing this for most of my life. Very appropriate to use for non-binary persons.
Not really good examples as typically we would use the other pronouns because there would be an indication of what they are. They/them is more used as a description of pluralism than anything else
Notice how in both the cases you don't know who the subject was? When you have a literal male standing infront of you or any male you know, you always use he/him. Using them/they in that case is wrong.
Nah. I say them when referring to someone or something I don’t know the gender of. Like a dog, or someone online who hasn’t spoke. “Go get them” “Let them talk”
They/them isn't always plural. When you talk about someone whose gender you don't know, you say they/them. "What did they do?" "How do they look" etc. You never say he or she to a person you don't know the gender of
So you have "you" when you address the person directly, and as the third person use whatever vibe you got... When you speak about the third person, they usually are not present in the forum. In case of being present, just talk to them directly That is my logic at least, because we are still here with plural vs singular (and it is not about genders anymore)
Why would somebody behind a counter tell you to go to the office, if somebody is behind a counter that implies that they are working in some way, so why would a worker tell you, a customer, to go somewhere you are not allowed, or are you implying that you are there for an interview so they told you to go to the office. Or are you talking about like a doctors office, but then the doctor would come get you.
@@batglide5484 and if someone identifies as neither gender than it wouldn’t make sense to use a gendered pronoun. their gender wouldn’t be known because they wouldn’t have one, not that hard of a concept to grasp.
Colors really helped me understand it better. You have Red (Male Sex) and Blue (Female Sex) Well then there's purple, it's a lot like blue, but it's equally a lot like red. It's base might be Red or Blue but it's different. It's in the middle. So we come up with a term to refer to it, Purple or They/them
@@elliottisaac7580 You missed the whole point. I even said it in the metaphor. Non binary represents someone who doesn't fit with the male or female norms. That's what we refer to as Non Binary. But Non Binary isn't just someone who identifies as nothing. It's also someone who is a mix and it's for someone who lays outside the spectrum. It's what the colors of the Non Binary Flag represent, Yellow outside the Spectrum/binary white and purple is someone who is a mix of genders and black is someone without gender. That metaphor was just supposed to try and simplify in a way that's less confusing.
That's honestly great. Acceptance should come before understanding imo. I don't understand religious people but I still accept them and want them to have equal rights ygm
It’s perfectly normal to use they/them singular, you do it all the time it’s just so natural you don’t even realize it. Example: “Hey boss one of the employees just got into trouble” “What were *they* doing?”
"What was he doing?" would be correct in that sentence, as the respondent understands that the original speaker is talking about an individual employee. 'He' is used for either male or female either until or unless the employee in question is specified as being female. This is not difficult to understand.
@@paradox2210 that’s one way to go about it if you assumed they were male, but that leaves you open to being wrong compared to someone who uses they who can’t be wrong because **they** don’t assume they are male or female. So yeah you could do that, but using “they” is objectively better. Notice how I refer to **them** as they in this comment and it’s perfectly grammatically correct. You’re just dumbing down your English skills to suit a narrative.
@@superjj1850 *You* are in fact the one dumbing down your English skills to suit a modernistic narrative. Don’t put words in my mouth - look at yourself and identify the problem. You’re using the singular 'they'. For a *good* amount of time, the usage of the singular 'they' in modern-day English language has been controversial. I will describe a sentence that displays the flaw of the singular 'they', but first, you should understand that masculine terms are and always have been the true 'neutral' in the English language. As an example, we still use 'guys' to refer to a group of people, even if a group consists mostly of girls. We even say 'dude', or 'man' as a way to express our feelings, similar to when someone says 'oh, goodness'. It has the same meaning. We can say 'man' to refer to mankind as a whole, including not just men but women also. The word 'it' also exists, and actually has the same purpose as the singular 'they' in a sentence, but using 'it' seems to feel less 'humanising' to many people, which is why they nowadays tend to not use 'it' when regarding an individual human and instead use 'they' singularly. The truth is that we should really be using 'he' or 'it' for that exact purpose. 'Oh, it’s just a friend texting me.' would be a good example of this phrase used correctly. 'It' is the friend in the sentence, as the speaker doesn’t specify whether or not it is a male or female friend. It is the only grammatically-correct way to speak that specific sentence. ‘They’re just a friend who is texting me' is incorrect; 'They' and 'is' do not coincide, since 'they' is plural and 'is' is actually singular. To reconstruct the sentence with your own logic (the logic that 'they' can be used singularly), we would have to change 'is' to 'are', as 'they are' would be correct. So it becomes, ‘They’re just a friend who are texting me'. Do you see how wrong that sentence sounds? And that is just one example which demonstrates how incorrect the singular 'they' is - there are many scenarios in which it still sounds weird. 'They went to the store. Afterwards, they saw their friends. They then went home.' as a group of sentences does not make sense. What is the subject? Who knows? 'They' are, or is, the subject. The singular they simply doesn’t work in that context. Reconstructing it with 'he', 'him', and 'his', the sentence becomes clearer: 'He went to the store. Afterwards, he saw his friends. He then went home.' The latter sentence clearly demonstrates who the subject is and what he did. The former sentence makes the reader confused due to the usage of the singular 'they'. It seems as if the individual AND 'their' friends went home together, when this may or may not have been the intention of the writer who was using the singular 'they'. So no, I reject the notion that the singular 'they' is 'objectively better' as you so _confidently_ stated. It is *not* 'grammatically correct', and I suggest that you learn the English language to a higher standard before correcting others on their own usage.
@@paradox2210 “There’s not a man I meet but doth salute me As if I were *their* well-acquainted friend.” -Comedy of Errors, William Shakespear (1594) “And whoso findeth hymselfe not sure, let him lay this texte in hys harte, and there let *them* trust and abyde, with yt fayth and sure confidence that the father wyl be better to *them* than *they* can imagine.” The Comfort Against Tribulation Thomas More (1534-1535) Sick manifesto, too bad it’s wrong and they has been used in singulars contexts for over 600 years and there’s nothing apart from book burning or time traveling that will get you close to being even remotely correct in this regard. Also I guarantee you subconsciously use singular they in your day to day speech you’re just either too dumb to notice it or too prideful and desperate to uphold your petty political narrative of the day that has you so worked up about a god damn word. I have nothing to prove other than the simple logic that you shouldn’t assume information you have no ability to know. If your language is unable to distinguish between male, female, and unknown, then that is a failure of the language.
@@superjj1850 It’s amazing how you can confidently 'guarantee' that you know anything about how I speak in reality. Try and guess what accent I have - you’re more likely to be wrong than right. I don’t use the singular 'they' in typing, so what makes you think I 'accidentally' do in conversation? What sort of _hypocrite_ do you take me for? Your latest counter-argument is that the singular 'they' has been used 'since' the 1500's. Interestingly, we don’t speak Old English anymore, and we're not in the 1500's, so your argument, which uses samples of texts written during that time, unfortunately makes no sense and falls completely flat. Writers *did not* use the singular 'they' again in literary work until _very_ recently. Maybe if you had read my reply, which dissected your argument entirely and displayed its pointlessness, you would learn something. But alas, there will always be those who truly don’t wish to learn, even if the truth is plastered on the wall right in front of them. Your argument is written as if it was typed by a five year old. 'Sick manifesto, too bad it’s wrong', you said, after providing me sample text from the 1500's as if it coincides with an argument revolving around the correct usage of *modern* English! You even went on to talk about how 'prideful' and 'dumb' I am, even though I specifically went out of my way to create sentences using actual English to detail the fallibility of the singular 'they' for you. Your ego is clearly out of control, and you are very petulant. Try and re-read my previous reply and comprehend what I had stated.
@@NyslexicDinjanot to shit on your parade but there are numerous languages that dont even have singular or plural. Humans can use context or other signifiers to communicate exactly what they need.
@@NyslexicDinja "I take issue with the confusing nature of the linguistics, something I am suggesting we fix as a people" English is a blending of dozens of unrelated languages across centuries of regional dialects and colloquial usages. There is no "fixing it". The ambiguity of "they" and "them" is no worse than that of "you", "we", "us", or any other pronoun or noun that can be applied to any number in a group (including singular). If you like artificially engineered languages, there's an international community dedicated to Esperanto.
@@NyslexicDinja I never said "because it is complex". You've come across as dishonest or having ulterior motives in your statements since your first comment, whether that is in reality accurate or not. You cannot "fix" English because it is not broken.
"Is that someone at the door... tell them to wait a minute, oh and ask them is they have a parcel for me". How many people did I think were at the door ?
Either more than 1 or you don't know who is there. So are you implying that these people don't know who they are? They are so ignorant of thier own gender? Maybe, but I know they are biologically either a male or female so I'll call them whatever they were born as.
@@os.a.m.a no, my point is that the argument that 'in English grammar they/them always refers to a plural' is just wrong, those pronouns are also habitually used of a singular person whose gender is undefined. Doesn't necessarily alter your attitude to non-binary people in general, but it's one bad argument we can drop from the roster.
That’s fine but if someone asks you to call them by a certain name and then you continue to use something else they you aren’t being polite anymore… think about it we use Nick names all the time in our culture, and even variations like bill for William, jimmy in place of James…. Not to mention silly names like chip, Gus, bubba, etc….. it costs you nothing to use such phrases but your insistence on calling a person something they don’t wish to be called can’t be considered polite and is actually antagonistic…. But then when you get called out for it you cry victim? Make it make sense
@@kalancosta7650 it's not impolite to politely not call someone a nickname you haven't agreed upon tho If they legally change their name and introduce as such then that's fine but if they just wish their name was such then that's their problem
Gender is the same as sex, it’s if ur masculine or feminine that makes you think ur a different gender. We don’t have the words for how they are feeling so they think it’s gender, when gender is just the language of what biological sex you are. Instead of male walked to the store we say he walked to the store, that’s the only difference. But you can be a male and be extremely feminine and ur still male and a man
It is different. If he doesn't know the person he's talking about's gender, the question whether its a female or male is up in the air. This isn't dictated by gender dysphoria where those people want to be called a "they" but rather, an unknown variable.
@@basedgengarenjoyer7510 huh????? That was the topic of this conversation. 💀 Gender dysphoria vs not knowing if the person who's the topic of conversation is a boy or girl due to not physically seeing the person. People who are nonbinary and those who want to assume the opposite gender through pronouns are the same in relation to gender dysphoria.
they: used with a singular antecedent to refer to an unknown or unspecified person example: An employee with a grievance can file a complaint if they need
@@haydhn1474 i mean, english isnt my first language but, isnt they them almost always used to indicate multiple individuals or a group, so to me using they them for 1 person doesnt make sense
@@zepranx644 What pronoun would you use for a person whom you don't know the gender of? "Someone dressed as a hotdog rang my doorbell on Halloween. I gave THEM candy, and THEY said thankyou."
In the Philippines we frequently use "they/them" to one person usually to senior or respectable person (and it is a must because it is as a sign of respect). We also don't have "he/she/his/her" word. We only have "siya" which is gender neutral.
They has always had a singular meaning in addition to the plural. For example, when talking to the police and they ask which way a suspect went, but you didn't get a good look at the person running away. You would say they went that way.
Definitely not exclusively plural. They/them has been used singular since the 14th century. Bonus fact: most people have gender neutral bathrooms at home.
@@stevenhetzel6483 To what degree? Use one word when the context is appropriate. That's literally the whole thing Someone please get the entire right wing a fresh tampon because apparently changing one word is too hard for these unstoppable alpha males
@@teejay1646 actually the only think hard is trying to explain how the English language works to s bunch of mentally ill, probably narcissistic people trying to control language and cry if they can't get everyone to follow 😂
Because you don't know who it belongs to. It could be a male or a female. If you look inside the wallet and you see an ID of a guy, you are not going to say "I should return it to them".
@@tyler1tanner Because the wallet belongs to one person. I know you are going to say that "they" can be plural but it's not because everyone has been saying it for so long, that it's correct. In my country they recently changed something. I'll give an example in english, what people been saying for centuries in my country. "There are a huge amount of books on the shelf", that's incorrect but people been saying this for so long. In this example it's not about the "books" but the word "amount" and that's singular, so it should be "There is a huge amount of books on the shelf". I think some language phd people should look into this matter and just settle this once and for all, because people are having stupid arguments over "they/them, meanwhile there is a war going on in Ukraine.
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@@T.oMilleryes
Joe didn’t say this. It’s a deep fake. He knows they them isn’t plural rofl
Gender dysphoria is obviously an effect of abuse on every level.
@tehjunkfood IT not Joe saying it Nancy Pelosi changed the law by way your ID. Crazy 🤪 but these Woke group think men can have babies after they get ginger changed. ...Dr are good to make a vaginas but can't make it produce a child ....These woke men wants be women 🚺 its crazy .they have had trama in their life mainly as a child
“Who ate my sandwich?”
“They did.”
Who is they? You see you just complicated things.
@@dianaayt you got me
@@antoniobrown2008 In text sure, but in person? Dude probably pointed
Micheal did it, saying he did it or she did it is just as confusing, bro rlly thought he was doing something w this one smh😂
@@elstonngunn4193 By agreeing that all forms are confusing then it means that it's on the same level of confusion and is thus a reasonable word to use
Random person: I identify as a they them
Their landlord: I’m doubling your rent
Whose landlord?
great idea..double all costs for everything for the plurals they want double recognition for being!
That's not how rent works
I will use that. Thanks.
Or if you go to an event like a concert or festival
You pay for two lol
Be whatever you want to be. But don’t expect society to go along with it
And thats FINE. If you disagree with someone's pronouns the respectful thing to do is to simply not associate with them, NOT make it a political issue.
@@Brucifer2 that's all well and good until you end up working with one and get forced to either cave to their demands or lose your job. 99% of employers will shitcan you the SECOND they catch even a whiff of "transphobia".
I worked in a call center with one of these people. A fucking monolith of a man with hairy legs in a sundress. He could use whatever bathroom he wanted and was best friends with both of the women running HR. Everybody walked on eggshells around him because they knew he could take a baseball bat to their lives on a whim.
You can't just ignore this shit with a "live and let live" mentality. They'll make their problems your problems whether you like it or not.
Society when murder, rape, terrorism: 😂
Society when pronouns: 😮👹😱🤬🤯
@@Brucifer2 but it's ok for "them" to make it a political issue..... Got ya. 👍
@@SkipperGin how is any of that your problem?
Demons refer to themselves as they/them. This is a spiritual battle
…I’m a demon because I don’t wanna be neither a boy, nor a girl?
Ur Obsolutely Right ✅️
@@cypress_is_repulsivvThat makes you mentally handicapped
@@cypress_is_repulsivvyou HAVE a demon. It’s not that you are one. We all have demons to fight, yours is in your head the same with the rest of us. The most powerful word you can learn to say is No! And mean it.
@@DonCarver. let me tell you something, I don’t call myself non binary just for the hell of it. I hate being a dude, being overly masculine, forced into masculine things, I hate it. I hate the look I’m supposed to have as a man. and, I don’t wanna be a girl, so I decide that I’m neither. besides, I’m not religious, but that should not be the reason someone is sent down to eternal punishment. that should be based off the character of someone.
"My name is Legion, for we are many."
Hello!!!
Bro demons in this comment section
I cant read Legion and not think of that fibal boss from the first Nick Cage Ghost Rider movie
Jesús 🦁 👑 💪
@@Seriously1 you seem them too?
I identify as transparent
My pronouns are who/where
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So identifying 😊as transparent doesn't mean that your child is trans?🤔
Personal pronouns are about the dumbest thing I ever heard of.
Literally defeats the entire point of a pronoun.. Personal pronouns are basically nicknames..
@@Chuck-tm6mkPronouns you used in this sentence: their, I, my, them, they've, they
You are wrong
In my native language, personal pronouns do not distinguish between genders. It differentiates according to whether it points to a person or to an object, animal, etc. If it were the same in English, I'm pretty sure this gender nonsense wouldn't exist. Because this is the root of the whole problem.
@andormatrahazi8140 Really? Because Finnish doesn't have gendered pronouns and they still have this gender "nonsense".
BACK IN OUR DAY, THEY CALLED WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW AS SCHIZOPHRENIA.
back then they though tomatoes were poison, they though having shit in your water was healthy, and they thought babies couldn’t feel pain
Your generation was very ignorant, the generations before you ruined the world for our generations but now that we have a thing or just try to be ourselves we get made fun of or called demons by the idiots that ruined everything for us. Even as a straight cis guy is still find that ridiculous
Who is they in this sentence? Did you use they because it’s the best way to identify someone who is unknown? Because it’s neutral? Hmm 🤔
@@yoyoland8461they is plural. they as in people. yall are so in over your heads.
@@emperor8716 if a customer named Sam emailed and you weren’t sure if THEY were male or female. You would address them as “they” as I have in this sentence because it is NEUTRAL!!!
It’s completely crazy. Those people are seeking attention in every way possible. The rest of us just need to say no, we aren’t going to play along.
I don't play along
Absolutely agree! What if "they identify as a furry"... schools actually putting litter boxes in rest rooms.. it's crazy🤪🤡.. why are sane adults putting up with this..time to get on school boards and disagree.. our tax dollars should not be paying for this insanity!
Get over yourself. Go out and actually meet people in these situations. Your opinion on all of it will change.
Yeah. All they want is negative attention and to be bullied and attacked. They’re so excited for it.
Grow up.
@@bluerazz893 not necessarily, I know quite a few Trans people, some of whom are friends, doesn't mean that I'll change established language meanings
They (plural) can also be singular. Ironically, when you don’t know what they (singular) are. The mechanic called… ok, what did ‘they’ say? They said your car is ready… ok, tell ‘them’ I’ll be right there.
Where u go to school??
DADS/ DAD'S
Yup ur right
@@kingwildcats dad is singular, dads is plural, dad’s is singular possessive, dads’ is plural possessive. I hope somebody that types ‘where u go…’ isn’t criticizing anybody else’s application of grammar.
them
/T͟Hem,T͟Həm/
pronoun
1.
used as the object of a verb or preposition to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified.
"I bathed the kids and read them stories"
i identity as an ambulance and my pronoun are we/woo
Ah, i see the joke has evolved past apache attack helicopter
😂
"I" is a pronoun. It should be capitalized by mandate. Only pronoun to do that. Any thoughts on that, or did you just come here to spout the only joke you all have?
Hahaha good one
Bahaha bahaha awesome
They/them isn’t just plural, this isn’t even a gender debate at this point, it’s becoming an argument of basic English comprehension
That’s just how the insufferable “anti-woke” crowd roll. They’ve reached the point where they will claim a literal dictionary has to be false. I’ve heard many claim “phobia” EXCLUSIVELY means fear. Sure buddy. Are hydrophobic substances SCARED of water now?
The only time they/them has ever been used as a singular, is if the subject is an unknown person or persons.
Otherwise, it's never been used as a singular pronoun.
People making the argument that it isn't only plural always seem to miss this fact. Or you all just pretend to be ignorant.
Either way... It's a little sad.
Its correct if you dont know the person and unable to identify THEM. When you know the person the context of using THEM is now incorrect
@@jamesmerutka889 why is it sad? Gender is a social construct anyway just like words, numbers and their meanings
So why draw the line now
@@sebastienfoneyn pronouns are more than just the gender conversation we have nowadays, it, he, she, they, we, us, you are all pronouns, going off your point it implies that pronouns are pointless once you know the person’s gender
Just say you hate people and move on it’s a lot easier
It makes perfect sense every Schizophrenic has a THEY/THEM
or multiple personality disorder
Schizophrenic says what
What?
What?
SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE3SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUHHHHHH💀💀💀💀
"I just call everybody it. Not because I'm equal, it's because I'm racist to everyone. We are not the same. "
“It” is the correct way to address someone if they they don’t identify with him/her, they/them is just not correct 👍
you aren’t racist if you treat every race equally, even if you treat them negatively
You can't be racist if you hate everyone. 😂
No lives matter, amirite?
@@sukiyu.g no
"Who handed you that book?"
"They did."
“He did”
“She did”
“(Name) did”
Not
“Them did”
Fckn dummies
It really is incredible that the whole "its plural" crap is still tried. Like we get it, you're a complete failure of a human and you're not afraid to let us know😊
@@sethb9343 Yeah, it's crazy that people can't attempt to be respectful of someone.
@seth b "hey them" does that sound normal not hating I just don't understand why do this
@@themann6575 Something sounding normal to you isn't important. Everybody experiences life differently. If your mom told someone to please not call her Ma'am and then continued to do that, wouldn't you think that was rude and they were purposefully disrespecting your mom?
Demons use they/them.
Yeah in the Bible one possessed guy says I am legion, for we are many.
@@marilyncarter-zz4vwyup
Wow!! So factual!! And Satans will identify themselves to you!! Scary and sad :(
Exactly!
Yes, and also Venom because he’s literally two N* * * * *
"Can you ask your friend if they can give you a ride home from school?" Singular friend, plural they. No issues.
but that’s used if the gender of the friend is unknown
The only issue is the grammatical error when referring to one person as “they” 👍🏻
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 you are literally so close to understanding it
@@TheBlightedSouls it makes no sense when you’re seeing the person right in front of you and can clearly tell what they are. Hard not to say “she” when you’re clearly talking to a woman.
There are hundreds of gender neutral pronouns and yet people want to be a plural. It's not about how you feel its about being narcissist who want to control people for the power of it.
They/them isn’t always pluralistic, example “oh someone left their phone here, I hope they didn’t lose it”.
They is not 1 person. Its 2 or more. Its so stupid that people even wanna be called theythem
my response: how many phones were there?
Yeahhh regardless of how you feel on gender *anything*, this is just a fact and these guys pretending that it isn't makes their argument so much weaker
@@hiperion_1416 one phone that belongs to a group if I am understanding it right
Yeah but that’s their that’s a completely different word 😂 they means group their shows belonging
"Looks like somebody dropped THEIR wallet"
"What do THEY want to eat"
It doesn't work in most situations
It only works when you didn't see the person. That's why the word "person" exist too. They/them is for plural in most cases. All the case you people are giving are when the person isn't there or is unknown 😑
@@mathieul4303 "Oh hey mom my friend Jason said that they want to come over" is completely grammatically correct, stop whining. Biology is complicated , showing respect and kindness isn't.
@@CretinH That works perfectly fine? I have no problems referring to people as they/them and have had several english teachers do so
@@CretinH "That friend of mine asked me if you could get us an extra meal."
"Alright, what do they want to eat?"
Demon possessed people often refer to themselves as they/them.
can I wear my makeup in peace
@Onyx_0001_ no,no, you can't.
@@cypress_is_repulsivv I don't care what you do as long as you don't try to force me to believe in your fantasy and keep your sexual preferences/deviant lifestyle away from children.
@@garydail290 still doing it
Yet the some of the worst demons wear the crucifix or other religious garb 🤷🏻♂️ or the demon that calls itself your god yet gives kids cancer or watches millions starve or kids get beaten, only a true demon can watch that and do nothing
Before 2019, if you identified as "They/Them", that meant you were Schizophrenic....
It’s weird and confusing. They are coming over soon. Oh how many are coming?
Narcissistic personality disorder is they/them
@@paulmcfeeters5554 The correct modern diagnosis is multiple personality disorder (MPD). It comes after narcissistic personality disorder and to be completely honest, I've noticed that 85% or more of today's democrats show signs of (NPD). That's also why they hate Donald Trump so much without a reason of cause, they do not like people who they feel are above them... I like Trump but he is also a narcissist (grandiose), But that is also why he is the perfect person to fight against them as weird as it sounds.
It still does !!
They/them pronouns have been around for much longer than most people think. I can understand how some might find it confusing. Sometimes it trips me up too. But life is so god damn chaotic and painful already, do I really need to lose sleep over showing someone a simple courtesy to help their life feel a *little* less chaotic and tumultuous? It’s not that deep, guys. Just be kind.
How do gender non-binary ninjas kill their foes? They slash them.
This is the first pronoun joke I’ve ever read that was actually kinda funny
Was/Were
😂
Lmao
Ive heard this before
They/them is not just plural. It's also used when the gender of the person is unknown. "I saw one person in the distance on the beach. They were making a sand castle."
"I saw a person making a sandcastle on the beach". Using "they" is just lazy.
Bro you failed english Or somethin' even as your first language?
@@321findus Since when is simplification a bad thing? Language evolves, if you stay conservative you’re just going to fall behind. The same reason we aren’t talking in Old English is the same reason “they” is a valid way to refer to an individual whom you have no idea the pronoun of
I'll call people what they want, but grammatically this is wrong. The rule on pronoun-antecedent agreement tells us that "his or her" is the correct form of the pronoun to use.
@@321findus It's not lazy, you use "they" when you don't know or cannot determine the gender. In my example the person is in the distance and too far away to make a good identification or guess of their gender.
I'm 40 I identify as retired ... Still waiting on my pension to land in the bank
Have you told the gov officials and that to make it known that's how you identify 🤔
@@Mrjohnsmith84 damn you’re old
My pronouns are they/them because I am literally 2 fucking people
-Moon Knight
Ur so mysterious
3 actually
3 just that we know of
Venom: yeah we're the only exception
Booo he only watched the show he didn't read the comics
I identify as Amish and I shouldn't have this phone.
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LoL, My Brother Haul's An Amish Man around And He watches U-Tube on my brother's Phone!! Oh Yeah , His Wife don't know or he'd be in trouble!!😂😂
I know alot who do it
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I identify as Michael Jackson and my pronouns are HEE HEE!
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Sh- mon eh
It means you want folks to say, "that's what they said" instead of "that's what he said" or, "You will have to talk to them about it" rather than, "you will have to talk to her about it". That's how it works. But forcing others to try to always REMEMBER that is not practical at ALL.
They said that, It belongs to them over there. Its pretty easy with a fundamental understanding of the English language.
Blanket terms and even then this isn’t singular 😂😂 who tf is them over there? Once you identify gender that blanket term goes away did all that and you wrong as hell boy y’all need to go back to English 101
It is also pretty easy to know when they, them, their are used in a singular sense.
I also thought that. When writing an essay in elementary, you use they or their to address them when you don't know their gender or if they are human. I just thought that applied to the ladder.
@@samuraijackoff5354 if “hey, them, come here real quick” when talking to someone you know doesn’t make sense to you then this they/them pronouns bullsh*t shouldn’t either, you get it?
@@tonybablony2041 I suppose in that instance you use their name you tit
"Someone forgot their umbrella" is a correct sentence
Right like bruh wtf is
“ someone forgot they umbrella “ that’s good grammar
I'd be like..."Oh just fu@k off!" I can't be bothered enough to care! I just dont have the energy for all this new crap!
@@radium1977 I have been saying stuff like this for like 30 years lmao
Well this would be correct if you don't know the gender of the person. If you know the gender, it sounds weird to say "their". The problem isn't really about the pronouns imo. If a person doesn't identify as a male or a female, then "they/them" would be correct, but not identifying as one or the other gender is just ridiculous.
@Masked Gamer it does feel odd, but it is a natural extention of the word from how it has been used.
Words evolve and are used for different things. You can adapt to it, or not- or just speak in old English if you want... doesn't make it incorrect to use
They is singular as well “where’s your friend.” “THEY are over there.”
Yes it is used in singular sense aswell. But it's only when you don't know the gender of the subject.
Your example though is wrong. When you ask where's you friend, the answer would either be he/she is over there, considering he /she is your friend, you already know the gender of your friend.
@@phunchu8202 It is not ONLY used when you don't know their gender? There isn't a rule saying that they/them is only when you don't know their gender.
@@dethgnome They/them is only used in a singular sense when you don't know the gender of the subject. Now if there isn't a rule try and make up a sentence where you know the gender of the subject and still use they/them to address the subject.
@@phunchu8202 No, they/them can be used as a neuter term as well, not just when you don’t know their gender.
@@sinoist742 Neuter term is used when you don't know the gender of the person. And people who claim to be of different gender than what they were born with are delusional.
Recognizing as a multiple persons means multiple personality disorders... They them is not a gender issue it's an identity/personality issue.
“Someone forgot their wallet, I’ll leave it here in case they come back”
In case the person comes back ! Or a person
They is more then one ! Them is also more then one .
Yes. “They” can abstractly define the human condition, but it does not accurately define a specific person. This does not mean it’s suddenly some alternate way to tangibly describe yourself. You’re still ultimately, a he or a she.
Lol
@@pcaul8156
Intersex people can still be identified as a male or a female via their chromosomes, even with the extremely rare chromosome abnormalities that exist.
Stop using an extremely minuscule population to push your agenda, maybe? Are you trying to say all intersex people use they/them pronouns? Because they don’t, in fact most intersex people try to find a sense of normality and pick a gender if the parents didn’t do it as a child.
yeah because you don't know if it's he or she. but if you know why should you use they/their?
“Oh no is it one THEY or many THEYS?” 😂
It depends on how ypu use it
@@Memearuu I think he is quoting Dave Chapelle.
@@granadosvm You're goddam right he is🤣
“They are a great person” ok buddy
*them
I identify as the sexiest man alive yet i still get no girls💀
Nah you’re sexy as hell to me man
Personality counts for a lot.
@@purplekissy not in today’s worlds unfortunately
@@vitto8449 Idk if this your intention but you're giving off some incel vibes.
@@purplekissy im not i was simply making a joke and you unfortunately took it personally
"I talked to the banker today."
"Oh? What did they say?"
"This cashier was so rude to me!"
"No way? What did they do?"
It's not always a plural. It's used naturally whenever a more distinct gender is not known. Thus it makes perfect sense to use it when boy or girl isn't appropriate because of choice instead of information lack.
@Kung Mikami Dude I just explained how the word works grammatically so if you are operating under a different structure than the one I have explained you are literally doing it wrong for YOUR comfort
@Kung Mikami So pretend we're talking in person and I say to you, "I talked to the banker." You're legit going to respond, "Oh? What did he or she say?" Or maybe you'd first ask me for the banker's pronouns before asking what they said? I mean, if so, I guess that's somewhat progressive of you. You might be on the right track after all? It just seems a bit cumbersome to me when 'they' is both grammatically and politically correct.
@Kung Mikami No, I'm not gonna change my language structure for your comfort.
@Kung Mikami Within the context of our conversation, I say to you, "I talked to the banker." It's because my intent is to communicate the occupation of the person I talked to, to you. My intent isn't to communicate their gender, because that information is totally irrelevant. You wouldn't need it to comprehend what I plan to say next about whatever happened at the bank.
So here would be the options we have if we want to meet your criteria that you avoid using a singular 'they':
Option 1.) I say "I talked to the banker" and you say "What did the banker say?" Grammatically correct, yes, but you are limiting yourself to repeating only and exactly the information I've given because you don't know the gender, don't want to ask, and can't fathom using "they" in a singular form for some reason. Are you committed to doing that every time I omit someone's gender and you don't already know it? That's complicated, in my opinion, but you do you. I'd let you do it, but what I'm telling you now is that it would be YOUR OWN self-imposed restriction. Not one I've forced into you for my comfort.
Option 2) If I know you well enough to anticipate that you're going to want to use 'he' or 'she' when you reply to me, I'll be sure to specify the banker's gender when I tell you about our conversation at the bank, even though that gender information is irrelevant to me and doesn't affect the event at the bank I'm explaining. And if I do this for you, it would be me comprehending YOUR language preferences and accommodating YOU. Not the reverse.
@@KuroiFey It works grammatically when you don't know the gender of the subject. But when a person is standing right infront of you or you know who the person is, you don't use they/them.
"Hey, is it cool if I have a friend over?" "Yeah, what time are they coming?"
"Is they" and "are they" One is improper grammar
“Yeah what time is he coming?” “Oh it’s a she” “Oh, what time is she coming?” I wouldn’t regard someone as multiple people, fixed it😊
@@mrsmirx4176 accurate 👍🏽
@@mrsmirx4176youd rather inconvenience yourself than say one word. Words and language evolve all the time. Why you gotta be afraid of change. Small little pea brain of yours smh
@@mrsmirx4176 I'm not saying I necessarily agree with her message, but using 'they' in the context the OP did is something that's done all the time without a second thought. Both sides be splitting hairs now.
It's not weird, it's called Schizophrenia
Schizophrenia doesnt work like in movies 😂😂
@@e7danny7m i know. But most people will understand what I mean by that. It's a personality disorder
It’s called people falling into satans hands
how would you refer to someone if you didn't know their gender?
@@Rayblov u already know ez because they have a penis
Y’all, it’s an AI voice over. 💀
wait fr?!💀
It’s not
No?
Joe was definitely a “I don’t need to pay attention in English class, I already speak fluently!” kinda student
Exactly
And the alphabet community are the "I don't need to pay attention to biology classes. I already know biology." Kinda student. Also, you don't use comma in that sentence so you might wanna pay attention to your classes.
@@vleaky3430 and a stop at the end of a sentence.
@@vleaky3430 hi, biologist here, if you actually did research youd find a lot of interesting papers about how sex isn’t always binary and the difference between sex and gender and how biology is in favor of trans people
@@vleaky3430 me when biology goes beyond 10th/11th grade level 😱😱😱😱
They can be used as a third person singular.
people do it all the time in spoken english idk why it’s such a hard concept for people lol
@@domoroboto8752 "He is a doctor" . Try using they/them and you will find out🤌
This whole argument is to appease someone's insecurities, that I will not do. I'm going to prey on your insecurities to remind you of your inferior position on this world and hold that power above your dense ass head forever. Speaking generally of course.
Haha thank you! Terrible argument from Joe
@@domoroboto8752 people cut their wrists too.
It doesnt make it right.
I identify as a KING but people treat me like a regular person
Your highness, what are you doing out of the castle? They might come after you and take your gender!!
[Coming from a nonbinary person I'm kidding guys don't kill me-]
LeBron is that you?
@@goodbadbill NAHHHHH 💀💀💀
Patrick Star, anyone?
If they won't call me "your majesty," I'll call them "no shyt" (meaning you ain't shyt) to be polite. 😂😂😂😂😂
They/them... I believe it called schizophrenia.
No. That’s DID
I identify as Michel Jackson
I pronounce as heee /hee 😂
Hahah omg!!! 😂😂😭🤣🤣You silly Willy , you’re so original how do u do it 😩
@@unclejunebug7178 im giggling
😂😂
"my name is legion for we are many"
Mass effect reference I like it
Actually a bible reference.
Yes these ppl most likey have demons.
@@willthompson2750that's from mass effect?!? I always thought that was from ghost rider with Nick cage lol
What do you mean by this?
You can refer to a single person as they/them for example, you can say “I was talking to someone the other night.” And someone can ask
“What did they say?” and that’s a way that you can refer to a single person with those words.
that is true but whilst im a supporter of gay and trans rights i do agree, the plural thing is confusing. 'i said to them' more often mean you were talking to a group than an individual. we need a better term i think.
The problem is when you ask what did “THEY” say its inferring that you are talking about more than one person which leads to confusion because that’s not how you speak the English language when referring to one person. It’s that simple. Pick a fuckin name or a gender and stop crying to ppl over ur insecurities.
Okay i refuse💀
@@anthonyjarvis9472 lol jesus. The reason why someone would use they/them is because it keeps their gender ambiguous. It actually makes a lot of sense and is also grammatically correct. They are just saying they do not want to be labeled as he/she and prefer the pronouns they/them in the singular sense of the word. Crazy how this is confusing or difficult to grasp. Instead of saying he/she went to the bathroom all you gotta do is say they went to the bathroom. Its that simple lol.
@@jawkojawko7094 listen to me when i tell you im a supporter of gay and trans rights and your condescending attitude is the biggest issue that people have with this topic. you have no right to do that and i argue that it isnt that simple 'lol'. so i could ask you who is going to the bathroom and you could say he/she or Alex for example, i would then know who is going to the bathroom. if you say 'they are going to the bathroom' i would ask who are they? because to me they is used more as a plural than a singular in common language. it is pretty unnecessary IMO, either go by your name or create a name that relates to you but dont just 'label' everyone as stupid for being confused by something that is confusing by nature!!! whilst i believe in somebodies right to express their gender how they see fit i dont believe you should expect the world to consider your insecurities at all times, we all have labels we dont like but 99% of people just get on with life and ignore it so why shouldnt trans people, they should be respected but they arent due anymore effort or consideration than the next person!!
Maybe all those demons inside wanna be acknowledged
I’m pretty sure they/them can be used to refer to a singular person, such as whenever we refer to someone in conversation as “They went out to walk the dogs” some food for thought
It's been used by Shakespeare to refer to a singular person of unknown gender.
@@angelsjoker8190 I remember that he said “they look ridiculous”,🤣👍
The first recorded use of singular they is in the late 1300s, in a poem called William and the werewolf. Singular they has been in use for over 600 years. This is a grammar dispute that belongs in the late medieval period.
@@melineeluna this truly is a roe jogan moment
She went out to walk the dog. He went out to walk the dog. One would not correctly say they went out to walk the dog if it was only one person who went.
"oh, somebody left their wallet on the sidewalk. I wonder if they'll be back for it"
Just here to say this is a completely normal sentence
What if Joe left the wallet? Only an idiot would say they instead of he'll be back to get it.
@@ptylio6149 it is isn't it? Idk why so many people think they is a weird pronoun when we use it all the time for people we don't know the gender of
@@Vinny.X No it wouldn't be an idiot because that person would have to know that it's his. If that person don't know THEY might use they as an ambiguous pronoun which is very common.
Still doesn't make it their pronoun. It's a reference because the person is unknown at that moment. What's your point?
I identify as innocent. Sadly, the judge who is working on my murder case keeps identifying me wrongly and calling me guilty. We have to fight against this injustice and oppression!!
Lets cancel the judge
🎉🎉 You made the one joke 🎉🎉
If you truly thought you were innocent but you were found guilty, you would almost certainly appeal the decision until you were found innocent. You would work to change the minds of people who are determined to oppress you based on their incorrect identification of you. So even in your unoriginal joke at the expense of transpeople who just want to live their lives, you keep deliberately ignoring reality.
@@JB-qf5ep Lgtv 55 inch quad hd kid
Making sense is not these people's strong suit.
If I’m walking behind someone who drops something from their pocket, I would simply say “they dropped something”. It has always been like this, I don’t understand why people are so confused by this very simple thing that has always been in our lexicon.
Nah people just don’t wanna be criticised for using the wrong pronoun, find yourself but leave me out of it.
What about zee zer and zim lmao . Anyone who believes They’re a ‘zer’ rather than a he or she is mentally fucked up and needs to be on medication for mental problems.
There is boy and girl. Nothing else. If you feel like your something else other than a boy or girl then smack your head on the closet wall as hard as you can maybe that will help.
Speakers of languages that don't have gendered pronouns have entered the chat: "Yo, suckers!"
Why get upset that someone can't figure out sensible pronoun usage when they can't even figure what sex they are? They got wayyy bigger problems than labels.
As someone whose first language uses gender-neutral pronouns, it's unfortunate that these bored westerners use this fact as an argument as to why they are neither male or female. We are still either male or female here, guys, and so are you.
They and them aren’t always plural and I’m guessing they’re not meant to be plural in the case with the they/them people most of the time.
That's a big assumption on your part and yes it's only singular for a person of unknown gender
If you know there's a person but not if they're a guy or girl you use they but if you can clearly see and identify them then using it would be incorrect
@@ghosttheprogram6973 , it's got nothing to do with knowing. They/them are singular, gender-neutral pronouns and can be used any time you don't want to specify gender for any reason. That you don't know a person's gender is probably the most common reason but that it must be the only reason is something that you just made up. This was the case before anyone knew what a trans or non-binary person was and it hasn't changed now that we do.
@@wunnell the only time is used "when you don't want to specify gender" in any sort of appropriate context is when you wish to hide the gender of a known person which still falls under unknown gender not everyone aware of the gender and you still use it
That's not how it works
Did you happen to go to some low quality school?
@@ghosttheprogram6973 , show me any evidence that these "rules" of yours exist. You can't because they only exist in your head to justify your position. The facts of the matter are that they/them are singular, gender-neutral pronouns and always have been. The rest is just something you made up. Any further baseless assertions on your part will be ignored. I'm open to actual evidence though.
@@wunnell "evidence"
You mean like the actual usage of the word both historically and in proper context?
As stated before it could be your school was low quality but even in basic American English (butchered actual English but whatever) it's almost exclusively the case that "they/them" is used properly as singular when referring to a stranger/unidentified person
"You've got someone on the line Timmy, I don't know who they are but they've been waiting for a while"
"Did you see Sarah, they're acting very weird"
The former example is the correct contextual use of singular reference they/them and the second is incorrect use
Now you can say that's false or whatever else you will but that changes absolutely nothing in regards to it being true
I have absolutely referred to singular people as, “They/them” before I knew anything about trans people, don’t act like it’s confusing 😂😂😂
Yes when you're having a conversation and you're talking about a single person yes you would refer to them as them in the conversation. However you don't identify people as they/them when you speak directly to the individual, duh
Someone came in asking for you earlier.
What did they say?
- They as a singular, ladies and gentlemen
That's improper usage, ladies and gentlemen. They is plural. He or she is singular.
@@patula3499 they is singular, where did you go to school?
@@Suddsy11037 No it is not singular. Where tf did you go to school?
@@patula3499 I love how like confidently wrong you are it's hilarious
@@patula3499 you're just wrong dude, it can be used as a neutral singular
“Hey i asked a doctor about that rash”
“What did they say?”
1 person.
Bruh are you guys doing this because of ignorance or something?
Do you use they/them when you know the gender of someone?
A doctor you don't know the gender of is one of the exceptions where you can use "they" as singular... But in most cases, "they" is for plural. You only use "they" when you lack data about someone... Sigh
Stupid example
Lol forreal. It'd be much simpler if transphobes just said they didn't like trans people because it made them question their own identities in a way that makes them uncomfortable.
“hey i asked Randall, my doctor about that rash”
“What did he say”
lol
@@smartfella7914 that is another grammatically correct bit of dialogue.
Both are correct.
*Finds a wallet on the floor*
"Oh no someone lost their wallet"
Grammatically correct to call one person they.
Yeah grammatically correct when you don’t know their gender
@@Baki__ referring to someone as they/them was around since about the 1300s. It's not a new thing.
Yeah thats when you dont know whether its a guy or girl
Nah, you’d say 'his wallet'. That’s how it’s been for centuries, that’s how it should remain. Acknowledging 'their' or 'they' as a pronoun to be used singularly is to enable the delusion that an individual person can refer to himself as a 'they'.
I’m not gonna go into the semantics of how it’s common sense that they/them isn’t always plural because you can literally just google it.
In English, they them is used for singular persons when the gender is unknown, so it makes perfect sense. If your wife came home and said to you, "Someone at the store said hello." You might reply, "What did they say?" I guess he should have paid more attention in school.
You're not wrong, but I it's a bit of a stretch to try and justify it.
There are two genders, they is not a gender.
The reason why this topic is so heated is because one side views things differently from another.
The right view it as purely logical, ie 2 gender, you can't change it, and they is plural except when broken for an argument.
The left view it as more emotional than anything, valuing how people feel, even if it does not help long term.
Yes your are right that "they" CAN be used for one person, but that's not the definition. It's true meaning is to replace a plural that's also possessive, so you are referring to a group of gendered people. The listener is supposed to use context for decking the gender of said group.
Edit: excuse the broken English, though I'm sure your familiar with that term.
first of all there are 2 types of pronouns ones that hold gender and ones that are gender neutral
He and she have gender
They and them do not
This allows us to refer to people who we know and don’t know the gender of or to speak more casually even if we do know the gender.
Now that you understand that then comes in the traditional usages of the English language. The pronouns they and them existed multiple centuries before he or she. They and them traditionally were much more commonly used to refer to singular people. When the pronouns he and she were introduced people argued to change they and them to plural only pronouns. You can look up what I said and find similar information on Wikipedia
All of this pages use references from official dictionaries
Wikipedia: He (pronoun)
States the 15th century the or Middle English period (though this date is argued from 15-18th century from multiple sources) the definition of he referring to a man and the one we use to this day was formed.
Wikipedia: She pronoun
Has similar information to the he pronoun forming in the Middle English period
Wikipedia: Singular they
This pronoun emerged in the 14th century (argued earlier by other sources) and only more recently during the 18th century and introduction of the he and she pronouns has it been criticized by people like you. But more recently people who criticize it forgot the traditional values of the word and don’t understand history
@@baldfelix1841, I appreciate the information above. Maybe I misunderstand you, but you seem to be making a case for they them to be used as a singular at times, as do I. Are we not on the same side of the issue?
My coworker doesn’t like me.
Have you asked them why?
Where is cashier?
They’re at the register.
Excellent examples. Yes, often in cases when the gender of a person is unknown, it is appropriate and I assume grammatically correct to refer to that individual as “they” or “them”. I’ve been doing this for most of my life. Very appropriate to use for non-binary persons.
Not really good examples as typically we would use the other pronouns because there would be an indication of what they are. They/them is more used as a description of pluralism than anything else
Notice how in both the cases you don't know who the subject was?
When you have a literal male standing infront of you or any male you know, you always use he/him. Using them/they in that case is wrong.
Yeah you use that for unknown persons…. It’s a group of people, or someone with an unknown gender .. of course you will they/them.
@@phunchu8202 you may be able to identify someone's sex by looking at them, but you can't look at them and tell what their gender is
Someone should tell him that his sentences are opinions and don't apply to everyone.
Nah. I say them when referring to someone or something I don’t know the gender of. Like a dog, or someone online who hasn’t spoke. “Go get them” “Let them talk”
Valid
It would be IT.
@@RFernandez18 At this point you're holding onto every single straw
@@RFernandez18 “Let it talk”??? 😂 You are kidding though, right?
They/them isn't always plural. When you talk about someone whose gender you don't know, you say they/them. "What did they do?" "How do they look" etc. You never say he or she to a person you don't know the gender of
So you have "you" when you address the person directly, and as the third person use whatever vibe you got...
When you speak about the third person, they usually are not present in the forum.
In case of being present, just talk to them directly
That is my logic at least, because we are still here with plural vs singular (and it is not about genders anymore)
“Jamie pull up that video of the bear using they/them pronouns”
He did not just say gender dysphoria is very real, then go on to actually crap on gender neutral people. Gender dysphoria goes for all genders.
Ambulance comes “they over there!” Runs by the single person hurt on the ground and continues to look for a group of injured people…
Yeah when the person if unidentified.
"They are over there" is a realistic instruction to give to first responders for a single person
"them over there" is also a very realistic situation
Or you could be a 5 year old with basic grammar skills and say "they're".
Big L for you mate.
They hurt themself
english is not my first language so i dont know, but arent they/them singular in certains situations?
Yes, we have a large faction of stupid people that didn't learn this. Americans are proud of their ignorance.
Yeah when you don't know the gender of the person you're talking about for example
Yes
@BrandweerGeest It works if you know or don't know. Folks are making a mountain out of a mole hill
@@ladycheyne5607 yeah you're right. But you know it's the internet so what can you do about it
? they/them has been used in the singular for a long, long time in English, using it for either the plural or singular is entirely valid in English 🤨
They/them is what demons like to be called. No BS
Wait till Joe finds out koalas aren’t actual bears.
In Australia we just call them Koalas calling then Koala bears is an American thing
I'm a man who identifies as a prick!
Same here
Me too
There's two of me. I go by Prick 1 and Prick 2
i identify as bigot
@@wex7581 at least you were honest about it son.
Imagine having these deep thoughts and meaningful discussions and then denying basic english
ong
Singular they is basic english
@@catindacorner7408 I can’t tell if you’re agreeing or not but I appreciate your comment
@@catindacorner7408"Singular they" doesn’t exist.
It does make sense,it counts for all the voices in their heads
what did the person behind the counter say? THEY told me to go to the other office
Exactly
Why would somebody behind a counter tell you to go to the office, if somebody is behind a counter that implies that they are working in some way, so why would a worker tell you, a customer, to go somewhere you are not allowed, or are you implying that you are there for an interview so they told you to go to the office. Or are you talking about like a doctors office, but then the doctor would come get you.
who would say they when you could just say “he/she told me” etc. ?
@@WolkenwandererrThey has been used in instances like that for over 600 years.
In that case you didn't know their sex. You are referring to a unspecified individual. You guys are so ignorant of the language... Troubling.
“Oh man, a missing cat poster! That’s too bad, I hope *they* find *their* cat”
What's your point? You don't use "they/them" when you refer to a specific person whose gender is known.
@@batglide5484 oh, but you do, my friend. Singular they has been used to refer to people of known gender since modern English existed
@@batglide5484 and if someone identifies as neither gender than it wouldn’t make sense to use a gendered pronoun. their gender wouldn’t be known because they wouldn’t have one, not that hard of a concept to grasp.
At the very least it’s confusing for many people to get it. I’ll play along for the sake of not wanting to argue, but I don’t really understand it.
Colors really helped me understand it better. You have Red (Male Sex) and Blue (Female Sex) Well then there's purple, it's a lot like blue, but it's equally a lot like red. It's base might be Red or Blue but it's different. It's in the middle. So we come up with a term to refer to it, Purple or They/them
@@Darknova67 completely wrong. Non binary is identifying as neither and therefore isn’t a mixture of both. Stupid concept
@@elliottisaac7580 You missed the whole point. I even said it in the metaphor. Non binary represents someone who doesn't fit with the male or female norms. That's what we refer to as Non Binary. But Non Binary isn't just someone who identifies as nothing. It's also someone who is a mix and it's for someone who lays outside the spectrum. It's what the colors of the Non Binary Flag represent, Yellow outside the Spectrum/binary white and purple is someone who is a mix of genders and black is someone without gender. That metaphor was just supposed to try and simplify in a way that's less confusing.
That's honestly great. Acceptance should come before understanding imo. I don't understand religious people but I still accept them and want them to have equal rights ygm
I won’t use someone’s pronouns for the same reason I won’t talk to a schizophrenic’s imaginary friend.
It’s perfectly normal to use they/them singular, you do it all the time it’s just so natural you don’t even realize it.
Example: “Hey boss one of the employees just got into trouble”
“What were *they* doing?”
"What was he doing?" would be correct in that sentence, as the respondent understands that the original speaker is talking about an individual employee. 'He' is used for either male or female either until or unless the employee in question is specified as being female.
This is not difficult to understand.
@@paradox2210 that’s one way to go about it if you assumed they were male, but that leaves you open to being wrong compared to someone who uses they who can’t be wrong because **they** don’t assume they are male or female.
So yeah you could do that, but using “they” is objectively better.
Notice how I refer to **them** as they in this comment and it’s perfectly grammatically correct.
You’re just dumbing down your English skills to suit a narrative.
@@superjj1850 *You* are in fact the one dumbing down your English skills to suit a modernistic narrative. Don’t put words in my mouth - look at yourself and identify the problem.
You’re using the singular 'they'. For a *good* amount of time, the usage of the singular 'they' in modern-day English language has been controversial. I will describe a sentence that displays the flaw of the singular 'they', but first, you should understand that masculine terms are and always have been the true 'neutral' in the English language.
As an example, we still use 'guys' to refer to a group of people, even if a group consists mostly of girls. We even say 'dude', or 'man' as a way to express our feelings, similar to when someone says 'oh, goodness'. It has the same meaning. We can say 'man' to refer to mankind as a whole, including not just men but women also.
The word 'it' also exists, and actually has the same purpose as the singular 'they' in a sentence, but using 'it' seems to feel less 'humanising' to many people, which is why they nowadays tend to not use 'it' when regarding an individual human and instead use 'they' singularly. The truth is that we should really be using 'he' or 'it' for that exact purpose.
'Oh, it’s just a friend texting me.' would be a good example of this phrase used correctly. 'It' is the friend in the sentence, as the speaker doesn’t specify whether or not it is a male or female friend. It is the only grammatically-correct way to speak that specific sentence. ‘They’re just a friend who is texting me' is incorrect; 'They' and 'is' do not coincide, since 'they' is plural and 'is' is actually singular. To reconstruct the sentence with your own logic (the logic that 'they' can be used singularly), we would have to change 'is' to 'are', as 'they are' would be correct.
So it becomes, ‘They’re just a friend who are texting me'. Do you see how wrong that sentence sounds?
And that is just one example which demonstrates how incorrect the singular 'they' is - there are many scenarios in which it still sounds weird. 'They went to the store. Afterwards, they saw their friends. They then went home.' as a group of sentences does not make sense. What is the subject? Who knows? 'They' are, or is, the subject. The singular they simply doesn’t work in that context. Reconstructing it with 'he', 'him', and 'his', the sentence becomes clearer: 'He went to the store. Afterwards, he saw his friends. He then went home.'
The latter sentence clearly demonstrates who the subject is and what he did. The former sentence makes the reader confused due to the usage of the singular 'they'. It seems as if the individual AND 'their' friends went home together, when this may or may not have been the intention of the writer who was using the singular 'they'.
So no, I reject the notion that the singular 'they' is 'objectively better' as you so _confidently_ stated. It is *not* 'grammatically correct', and I suggest that you learn the English language to a higher standard before correcting others on their own usage.
@@paradox2210
“There’s not a man I meet but doth salute me
As if I were *their* well-acquainted friend.” -Comedy of Errors, William Shakespear (1594)
“And whoso findeth hymselfe not sure, let him lay this texte in hys harte, and there let *them* trust and abyde, with yt fayth and sure confidence that the father wyl be better to *them* than *they* can imagine.”
The Comfort Against Tribulation Thomas More (1534-1535)
Sick manifesto, too bad it’s wrong and they has been used in singulars contexts for over 600 years and there’s nothing apart from book burning or time traveling that will get you close to being even remotely correct in this regard.
Also I guarantee you subconsciously use singular they in your day to day speech you’re just either too dumb to notice it or too prideful and desperate to uphold your petty political narrative of the day that has you so worked up about a god damn word.
I have nothing to prove other than the simple logic that you shouldn’t assume information you have no ability to know. If your language is unable to distinguish between male, female, and unknown, then that is a failure of the language.
@@superjj1850 It’s amazing how you can confidently 'guarantee' that you know anything about how I speak in reality. Try and guess what accent I have - you’re more likely to be wrong than right. I don’t use the singular 'they' in typing, so what makes you think I 'accidentally' do in conversation? What sort of _hypocrite_ do you take me for?
Your latest counter-argument is that the singular 'they' has been used 'since' the 1500's. Interestingly, we don’t speak Old English anymore, and we're not in the 1500's, so your argument, which uses samples of texts written during that time, unfortunately makes no sense and falls completely flat. Writers *did not* use the singular 'they' again in literary work until _very_ recently.
Maybe if you had read my reply, which dissected your argument entirely and displayed its pointlessness, you would learn something. But alas, there will always be those who truly don’t wish to learn, even if the truth is plastered on the wall right in front of them.
Your argument is written as if it was typed by a five year old. 'Sick manifesto, too bad it’s wrong', you said, after providing me sample text from the 1500's as if it coincides with an argument revolving around the correct usage of *modern* English! You even went on to talk about how 'prideful' and 'dumb' I am, even though I specifically went out of my way to create sentences using actual English to detail the fallibility of the singular 'they' for you.
Your ego is clearly out of control, and you are very petulant. Try and re-read my previous reply and comprehend what I had stated.
They/them: "used to refer to a person of unspecified gender.
"ask someone if they could help""
Defined before the gender noun changes.
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Oh well, such is life.
@@NyslexicDinjanot to shit on your parade but there are numerous languages that dont even have singular or plural. Humans can use context or other signifiers to communicate exactly what they need.
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"Doing better as a people" = listening to someone when they tell you how they prefer to be referred to.
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"I take issue with the confusing nature of the linguistics, something I am suggesting we fix as a people"
English is a blending of dozens of unrelated languages across centuries of regional dialects and colloquial usages. There is no "fixing it".
The ambiguity of "they" and "them" is no worse than that of "you", "we", "us", or any other pronoun or noun that can be applied to any number in a group (including singular).
If you like artificially engineered languages, there's an international community dedicated to Esperanto.
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I never said "because it is complex". You've come across as dishonest or having ulterior motives in your statements since your first comment, whether that is in reality accurate or not.
You cannot "fix" English because it is not broken.
It's biblically demonic. A very specific demon that manifests as hysterical.
Fan fiction
"Is that someone at the door... tell them to wait a minute, oh and ask them is they have a parcel for me". How many people did I think were at the door ?
Either more than 1 or you don't know who is there.
So are you implying that these people don't know who they are? They are so ignorant of thier own gender? Maybe, but I know they are biologically either a male or female so I'll call them whatever they were born as.
@@os.a.m.a no, my point is that the argument that 'in English grammar they/them always refers to a plural' is just wrong, those pronouns are also habitually used of a singular person whose gender is undefined. Doesn't necessarily alter your attitude to non-binary people in general, but it's one bad argument we can drop from the roster.
@@os.a.m.a english doesnt work that way
I was looking for this comment. Feels like it took far too long to find it.
I was searching for examples
They/them have been used as singular for literal centuries. There are much better arguments against nonbinary identification.
I will never comply to people who have no power over me. If they don't like how I politely address them, I don't need them in my world.
Thats exactly how they think of pricks like you mate
Just like how I tell everyone you know that your a pedophile. If you don't like it tell your prison bunkmate while they figure out why you are there.
That’s fine but if someone asks you to call them by a certain name and then you continue to use something else they you aren’t being polite anymore… think about it we use Nick names all the time in our culture, and even variations like bill for William, jimmy in place of James…. Not to mention silly names like chip, Gus, bubba, etc….. it costs you nothing to use such phrases but your insistence on calling a person something they don’t wish to be called can’t be considered polite and is actually antagonistic…. But then when you get called out for it you cry victim? Make it make sense
Damn dude must be a rebel, who would have guessed that hot ratz 327 was such a menace to society 😭
@@kalancosta7650 it's not impolite to politely not call someone a nickname you haven't agreed upon tho
If they legally change their name and introduce as such then that's fine but if they just wish their name was such then that's their problem
joe rogan using they when hes unaware of a persons gender: "ok but thats different"
😂😂😂 he thought he ate
Gender is the same as sex, it’s if ur masculine or feminine that makes you think ur a different gender. We don’t have the words for how they are feeling so they think it’s gender, when gender is just the language of what biological sex you are. Instead of male walked to the store we say he walked to the store, that’s the only difference. But you can be a male and be extremely feminine and ur still male and a man
It is different. If he doesn't know the person he's talking about's gender, the question whether its a female or male is up in the air. This isn't dictated by gender dysphoria where those people want to be called a "they" but rather, an unknown variable.
@@teh_shuyguy9794 the concept of gender dysphoria is applicable to nonbinary peopme if you think about it critically for about 5 seconds
@@basedgengarenjoyer7510 huh????? That was the topic of this conversation. 💀 Gender dysphoria vs not knowing if the person who's the topic of conversation is a boy or girl due to not physically seeing the person. People who are nonbinary and those who want to assume the opposite gender through pronouns are the same in relation to gender dysphoria.
It's possession. Let it sink...
they: used with a singular antecedent to refer to an unknown or unspecified person
example:
An employee with a grievance can file a complaint if they need
ye but, it doesnt work with everything
@@zepranx644 give an example where it doesnt work
@@haydhn1474 i mean, english isnt my first language but, isnt they them almost always used to indicate multiple individuals or a group, so to me using they them for 1 person doesnt make sense
@@zepranx644 What pronoun would you use for a person whom you don't know the gender of?
"Someone dressed as a hotdog rang my doorbell on Halloween. I gave THEM candy, and THEY said thankyou."
@@haydhn1474 you can tell the gender by looking at “them” knuckles 💀
If you just talk to people you'd quickly find out that literally no one wants to be referred to as a plural
Some languages have one pronoun
In the Philippines we frequently use "they/them" to one person usually to senior or respectable person (and it is a must because it is as a sign of respect). We also don't have "he/she/his/her" word. We only have "siya" which is gender neutral.
They has always had a singular meaning in addition to the plural. For example, when talking to the police and they ask which way a suspect went, but you didn't get a good look at the person running away. You would say they went that way.
I’m 5ft11 but I identify as 6ft. I don’t identify as taller because I like to stay realistic.
I identify as attractive...but still get none...😢
They them. They use to call that multiple personality disorder.
Talking about a person...
"Where did they go?"
"I told them I was hungry."
“Where did he go?”
“I told him I was hungry.”
That’s how you talk about a single person.
Wrong. Time to go back to grammar school.
Definitely not exclusively plural. They/them has been used singular since the 14th century. Bonus fact: most people have gender neutral bathrooms at home.
Be the best you can be, but don’t expect me to work at your issues.
"To what degree do I have to participate in YOUR self-image?"
Exactly! And I will only help if you put in the effort. Not because I owe anyone, just because I know what it's like.
@@stevenhetzel6483 To what degree? Use one word when the context is appropriate. That's literally the whole thing
Someone please get the entire right wing a fresh tampon because apparently changing one word is too hard for these unstoppable alpha males
@@teejay1646 actually the only think hard is trying to explain how the English language works to s bunch of mentally ill, probably narcissistic people trying to control language and cry if they can't get everyone to follow 😂
@@ghosttheprogram6973 Yea.... That's what's happening...
Fun fact! They-them has been used singular for a long time usually reserved for people of high power/influence :]
Kings used to use it to refer to themselfes. It meant "me and god"
For example "we have declared all rocks shall be banned"
i identify as elon musk ... now give me all his money
Oh, a wallet on the ground. I should return it to THEM
Exactly lol
Because you don't know who it belongs to. It could be a male or a female. If you look inside the wallet and you see an ID of a guy, you are not going to say "I should return it to them".
@@maskedgamer7565why not?
@@tyler1tanner Because the wallet belongs to one person. I know you are going to say that "they" can be plural but it's not because everyone has been saying it for so long, that it's correct. In my country they recently changed something. I'll give an example in english, what people been saying for centuries in my country. "There are a huge amount of books on the shelf", that's incorrect but people been saying this for so long. In this example it's not about the "books" but the word "amount" and that's singular, so it should be "There is a huge amount of books on the shelf". I think some language phd people should look into this matter and just settle this once and for all, because people are having stupid arguments over "they/them, meanwhile there is a war going on in Ukraine.
I am a poor-rich, rich-poor, so I pay no taxes, no taxes I pay.