SIMPLE: Interpolation looks really amazing for nature shows and sports programs. Really gives you a sense of being there. And I turn it off when watching movies.
I want native 60, or even higher native movies. Size doesn't matter. I'll happily download 200GB. 24 fps looks like a slideshow, the small jumps are really obvious, and it's hard to tell what's happening...
This is hands down one of the best video explaining motion interpolation! Thanks Cedric! I have the KS8000 and I find my self only use the motion flow option when watching nature documentaries. I'm going to try this on the 4K planet earth 2 when it is out by the 28th March
Thank you! That's by far the clearest, most detailed and easy to understand explanation of motion interpolation I've ever seen. Keep up the great work guys!
I feel like a Pre-Algebra student who's wandered into Physics II, but other than that, I appreciate the thoroughness of the video. It's at least helped me determine that I don't like Motion Interpolation, so that is not a feature I will look for in a TV. :)
So THAT'S what that effect is. I genuinely thought that things were moving by faster. I loathe this effect more than I can put into words. It gives me a headache and messes with my eyes. I just thought it was because the thing I was watching was moving at 60 FPS till I played back two videos, one with this effect and one without and they moved at the same speed and the one without the effect looked better to my eyes and didn't make my brain want to evacuate my skull. Thank you for explaining, now I know what this is and how I can avoid it.
60fps looks great for videogames. A part of me really wants to be able to enjoy the lack of motion blur. I hate motion blur, but I find a 60fps video is just off like you said. Maybe their is a middle point. Reduce the motion blur but leave some, best of both worlds?
I feel like I'm one of the few people that like to turn frame interpolation on for everything. I mostly watch animations, so it doesn't really look like a soap opera.
To each his own. I don’t fuck with soap opera effect. It makes all content look the same. It looks like you’re watching the actors on set.Lol. Have you ever heard an actor comment on how amazing the movies they are in looked after production? I mean when they comment on what it was like seeing the movie they spent months on, for the first time, once it was ready for screening. It’s because they’re aren’t viewing them with soap opera effect. Just sayin! The way the camera pans without soap opera effect or how a scene moves from shot to shot adds weight to the scene and adds emotion(emotional tone), specially when the panning speed suits the soundtrack. All that shit goes out the window when soap opera effect is implemented but as I said to each his own! There’s a reason the Hobbit sucked in the theatre after they shot the movie at 48fps as an experiment.(I’m shrugging my shoulders) www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-masterclass-in-why-48-fps-fai-5969817/amp
The only problem with motion interpolation is the artefacting. It's really good with animation, but it's getting pretty good with live action content as well. 24p has no place in the modern world outside intentionally low framerate aesthetic (hey, stop motion is a valid aesthetic too).
I love the effect. It makes all motion seem more natural. If you are a gamer, then I compare it like this: It's like getting used to a 144Hz monitor, and going back to 60Hz monitor. It hurts! Now, this effect creates delay in games on the PS4 when I use it on my TV. So I only use Motion Plus for series and movies. I can't go back, everything else looks so choppy and laggy compared to this.
I enjoy using it in gaming. It makes every single game look so much better. Everything looks SO silky smooth. Although there is an input delay, I find myself able to adjust in seconds. To me, the delay is similar to playing most games online.
Slask Burton DUDE you are fucking stupid. tehSuperSloth explained exactly why it looks better to him, which is a very good explanation, and you're just here basically telling him his fun and brain perception are wrong. Go fuck yourself you wannabe elitist idiot.
I think calling high frame rate content having a soap opera effect is not fair to native high frame rate content. People have been misled by the industry into assuming high frame content has a soap opera effect - it does not if the video was shot at a native high frame rate. I'm not sure it's even by accident either, as producing native 60hz or 120hz content is a lot more expensive to do, and non of the broadcast standards are defined at those refresh rates, neither are cinemas. However all modern TVs are, so we have to deal with judder and stutter... Standards are defined when cinemas used projector with film, so had a built in "black frame insertion" so motion was perceived to be smooth, and when TVs were CRTs which again fired electrons at phosphorous to make it glow for a couple of ms then it started to dim, having the same effect as projectors. Standards haven't moved on with the technology 90% of people use to watch content. Just seems absurd to me.
I find the idea of the 'soap opera' effect completely stupid. Completely agree that for most people it's just their interperatation of bad video made by stuff like this TV. I all the TVs that falsely advertise themselves as 120Hz in a barely-legal kind of way. Anyone who get the soap opera effect is either an idiot who dislikes it because it's different, or an idiot that's misunderstanding it. Higher frame rates look better, action films look choppy. The amount of people I've heard say "it looks like it's in fast forward" is ridiculous, can't imgine how fast life must be going for them.
@@VAIBHAV-fl6dl Same, when I went to see Endgame, the final action scene was torn up all over the place. With things flying around so much it just becomes a blurry stutter. I get the idea of having motion blur naturally from cameras but when Iron Man jumps across the screen in 3 blurry steps it just ruins the experience. Makes me question people who think they get the "soap opera effect" because I'm apparently getting the same thing with low-framerate video. The stutter stands out, and isn't that literally the only criticism of HFR, that it stands out?
That's because many modern TVs can't display 24FPS properly. Hopefully, that will be fixed someday, and we will be free of judder and stuttering. Motion smoothing is horrible and not a solution, it creates more problems than it solved, specially in hand-drawn animation (Bambi became unwatchable when I tested turning motion smoothing on), Noodle has a good video on this. Filmmaker IQ has two great videos on 24FPS and HFR. "Why 24FPS is here to stay in cinema" and "Debunking HFT myths".
I remember seeing a 4k tv for the first time at my aunt's house and watching a movie in it. It made me feel physically nauseous after an hour or so. It's strange how some people like the affect and it bothers others.
rtings in all there informative'glory..very good vid and one of the best and most informative and easy understandable i have come acroos on this aspect. Great work Cedric.
Nope, Samsungs Q series 2018 TV's have Motion interpolation in game mode when awitched on with lag at only 21ms!!! A first ever for TV's! Got me running RDR2 at 60fps at native 4K! It's awesome man!!!
It actually keeps detail clear unlike a 24hz movie that looks like pure fucking garbage with screen judder all over the place. Any action movie in 24hz looks like trash you miss almost every motion in a mess of blur. 24hz is a old standard that was great it just gives a fake look and loads of judder and lose of detail in all motion.
@@emptyclaw1265448 it begs the question, why does Hollywood continue to persue ridiculous resolutions - undetectable to the human eye - but stick with a prehistoric frame rate which looks objectively shit?
its more so that the artificial boost in perceived frame-rate makes what ever it touches feel unnatural and ghostly instead of crisp and naturally smooth
eyeh8nbc Are you suggesting that lower frame rate is generally better ? :D What about 60 fps cameras ? If you think smoother picture is anyhow worse, then you should get your eyes checked. Dont get me wrong, I know this TV feature which is artifically boosting FPS looks weird, but damn, our natural vision is not constructed from distinctive frames, therefore reality is kind of equivanelt to literally infinity frames per second. Reason why movies was not shot in higher frame rates is lack of required hardware/money.
You're sick of manipulative marketing and advertising, but have a Q-LED preordered? Q-LED = Samsung. Samsung = master manipulators of marketing. Look at saying "QLED" for example. They're not "real" QLEDs, they're just marketing that to confuse those who recognize OLED name but are not hardcore into TVs to research enough. The QLEDs have a lot of issues, and I'm glad Rtings review of the Q7 show this. In fact, all the 2017 samsungs have fallen way behind Sony and LG. OLEDs will still trump the Q-LEDs, both by LG and Sony. And I only saw the Sony E-series thus far and all those TVs look better than the Q-LEDs. 2017 is shaping up to be an epic failure for Samsung.
Which setting is better for motion sickness? That's my main concern. Too much camera movement which is very popular these days, ruins the experience for me because I get motion sickness. would love to find a way to reduce that. So, on or off setting ?
I'm gonna go ahead and take a guess at your 1 year old question and say that probably you would want it on. I'd imagine the judder with it's constant "stop and go" type feeling, and the added difficulty of concentrating on that moving object, is what would make motion sickness worse. But that's just a logical guess.... best I can do for ya since I don't share that particular problem.
Absolutely Off. Motion smoothing adds additional frames to shaky movement, increasing the frequency of visual information leading to appearing as though the motion is occuring at x2 speed in real time. Nothing gives me harder motion sickness than motion smoothing on tvs.
@@Paikerchu13 Even higher frame rates. Played PS4 for years and not once had motion sickness (30fps), then switching to PC (60fps) it doesn't take much more than a shaky Call of Duty scene to make me feel dizzy.
I’m older I guess and it took me a while to get use to it__i harped for a while saying bla bla 24 fps for movies…but now I can’t live without the smoothness of the “soap opera efféct”
he probably said the N word in the original filming and then realized that he needed to redo it, but had already shaved. Thats what usually happens. The other option is he said something like "hi Pam," or Hey I got a text from Carol," but then realized his wife was watching, so he went and redid it.
I saw this term for a year now on the internet and was a bit curious but never looked it up. After this video, I get it. And boy it reminded me of the old times of hard debates when 60fps Splash Pro player and SVP plugin came to the world. That was almost 10 years ago, guess 24 fps Paleolithic people are still at it.
'tree for three, 'erts for hertz, 'turd for third, no letter S for many plurals etc. Apparently it was so bad that they had to do several takes and he had shaved in between. You never change your appearance until you know the product is finished, or start off clean shaven in the first place so you don't have to worry about growing it back , that made for the jarring difference at time marker 7:25 . He might as well have worn a bright red shirt to make fun of the error.
When I saw a clip of Avatar on a TV with motion interpolation I went cross-eyed and got a headache. I don't think my brain can interpret over 60fps on a flat, digital surface without my visual cortex going all *Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn* on me.
You underestimate your brain! Since in real life we essentially interpret everything at Infinity frames per second, the more frames per second are actually easier on your eyes and closer to what your brain is used to having as inputs. I'm not questioning your discomfort, you may not be used to it or maybe your eyes enjoy the vacation by taking in less information, or you are not blinking as often as is often the case when people stare at any screen. Most people could do well to turn the sharpness down on their televisions as well, there's no reason to have it on an artificially high setting that you can't discern from across the room, also can be hard on the eyes. Any slower and things should start to flicker like an old black-and-white movie before 24 frames per second was picked as a standard. It won't be too many years before 60 frames per second or 120 frames per second will be the standard, and hopefully higher still so we can get closer to what our eyes were meant to perceive.
The main reason this was created IMO was the advent of 'smart tv's'. Meaning, at the time one would be exposed to poor video streaming sources which was most of the internet. You can see , most sports on youtube and similar sites is at 24-30 fps instead of 60. On DVD / bluray and even TV of decades back its no issue as the native FPS isn't changed. However on streaming its transcoded into 30 fps to save bandwidth and ensure compatibility with legacy players. This makes sports / news look like cinema; choppy , blurry etc. That is where this interpoliation comes in to play to 'fix' the low frame rate .
Thank you man, you saved my life. Im not sure how all the picture settings are suppose to be as i got the last tv on display. So the most prob changed stuff for visual display at the shop.
TVs are usually shipped in the demo settings as they look the best with the demo video that is included on the TV onboard memory. you shuold just play around with the settings and find the ones that YOU like the best.
interpolation really is no substitute for actual framerate and pure hz value. this is where monitors and video games have television beat. because although framerates look different in a game engine, its still allows for virtually limitless framerates on monitors with up to 240hz displays. and i mean TRUE 240hz. no interpolation needed to display all of those frames at once.
Great thing about TV is as mentioned last in this video how input lag doesn't really matter as much and the TV can therefore keep a larger buffer when doing interpolation. My TV does pretty lazy interpolation, meaning it'll do it when it can do produce good results, but doesn't do it when a lot of new information is introduced which reduces chances of artifacts. So it's the middleground and while it sounds ok, it's kind of jarring if you know what's happening. I'd much rather have it either on for everything or off for everything. Which is why I like SVP (Smooth Video Project) for the PC. You can control the settings and whether it's on or not for whatever video you watch through a filter based player like MPC.
Great vid. I have a Samsung UE46D7000 in my living room and I've had it for over 3 years and love the "soap opera effect". I bought an LGUH661v for my man cave and tbh, I the SOE isn't as good as my 3 year old + Samsung. I'm selling it now after a year and buying another TV. Any recommendations on what I should look for to get the best Soap opera effect? Cheers.
That's because many modern TVs can't display 24FPS properly. Hopefully, that will be fixed someday, and we will be free of judder and stuttering. Motion smoothing is horrible and not a solution, it creates more problems than it solved, specially in hand-drawn animation (Bambi became unwatchable when I tested turning motion smoothing on).
You're full of shit and so are all of the others that like it. It's the difference between watching a play at the theatre and watching a blockbuster movie at the cinema. Which is the most exciting and rewarding to watch? Fuck all of you guys that want to come off as different. Go on a movie set where your favourite actors are shooting a movie and tell me that the scene will look as fantastic or better than the finished product. When you watch soap opera effect you see the movie with out the film filter as you would if watching a scene shot on set.
as long as you stay on the lowest setting...i think clear it is called at least for my brand. i cannot go back to not having it. it is not so strong that it adds that effect people talk about but there is just enough that picture moves so smoothly compared to your standard rate. No more jittering on camera pans, character movements are incredibly realistic when playing games or watching movies. It's just the best. Only the lowest mode though anymore than that and i find it jitters even more so than with it of entirely depending on the build quality of tv and how much effort was put into that function it can very with how good it is but when it works good it's soooooo nice.
its weird how some people cant see the artifacting around fast moving object when interpolation is turned on. I cant have it on because I just see blocks appearing over stuff, usually at the edges of the screen but whenever I ask anyone else if they can see what I'm talking about, they cant see it.
Seems like the solution is simple. Filmmakers need to shoot in higher frame rates. I would love to see the next Avatar sequels in true (not interpolated) 60fps 4K.
You weren't paying attention. Faster frame rate is the problem for cinema. It shouldn't be used on movies else it'll create the soap opera effect. Doesn't matter if it's a mere interpolation or a native 60fps. It's just bad for movies.
i have the Samsung ks8000. I'm disappointed with the motion interpolation, i get jerkyness and cutting on images. i didn't get any on my older 6300. are equivalent Sony or LG models better at interpolation?
i have a issue when playing games that my Samsung MU8000 leaves trails and give a motion blur while panning the camera i know turning on game mode will fix this but degrade the quality of picture. would you be able to recommend of a different way to solve this issue?
Yeah, that's why I avoided all those great big screen analog TVs you can get to put flat on your wall... But anyway, a movie shot digital is digital picture, even without the feature. With motion smoothing, you're just at a new hyper-digital level.
Why would anyone like or want the "Soap Opera Effect" for TV or movies? If you can't turn off motion interpolation, that is a deal breaker for me. On your reviews, you should say whether or not motion interpolation can be turned off as I have seen some, where it cannot.
I like the soap opera effect. I use it on all my movies, gaming and shows It's how i like it. Those who tell me wrong it's your opinion if you like it off that's fine as well. Some says it's not what the film makers wanted. Well it's my tv if it's enhancing my viewing experience I'll enjoy it how ever I want at the privacy at MY home. At least i can go see it at a friends house that has it off and not whine about it. Saying it makes them want to poke there eyes out. Or act like babies demanding that they remove it from all tvs. It's optional you literally have the option to turn it off. What gives you the right to want to take something optional away from others just because you don't enjoy it? If you came to my house and complained that i should turn the feature off. I would send you home because if it was vise versa i wouldn't bitch about it.
Same. Theres a lot of movies I rewatch when I go to my dads house, just because he has a tv that can do this. Especially with older movies/tv shows, (Starship troopers / star trek, etc) adding the extra frames through this process makes them all like they recieved a 4K remaster, its really great. That said, there are some drawbacks, for example, if you ever watch a character running in front of a fence, like a chain-link, or one with lots of lines, you can see the system struggle to draw the frames, and the background will not match the surroundings at all. And in certain fast moving scenes, depending how busy the background, you'll see that too. Other then that though, I find it very visually appealing, and I find the "Soap opera effect" just helps everything feel that much more real, like you're really there.
i'd use motion smoothing if the tech was better. my TV is from 2021 and cost around 2000 USD at full price and the smoothing effect is god-awful. and that is definitely the most expensive TV i have ever bought. i sincerely hope no one is making a moral issue out of this lol XD
Just a shame there isn't more "Smart" features in our smart tvs such as a mode that keeps auto motion off for most content but enables it when it detects things like sport shown on screen. Having to manually change it is a pain but it's better to keep it off and switch it on when watching sport imo. Also newer Samsungs have incredibly low input lag (My TU8000 TV has 8ms) but you have to disable Game motion plus, alot of people don't search for that option and complain about the lag.
It's my favourite effect in games, it gives a "60hz" feeling. One question: is it possible to activate Motionflow in Game Mode on Sony LED and OLED tv's?
My feedback is that it increases cinegraphic appearance as the video appears more realistic. With the exception of the insane artifacts attracting your eyes until you learn to ignore them. Or try and ignore them I guess.
cinema is traditionally filmed in 24 fps or 23.976 fps or 25fps. cinema is not supposed to be realistic in that sense. to each their own, of course. just wanted to "clarify" =P
I fucking love the soap opera effect. It looks SOOOOO good on my 4KTV. It looks like shit on everyone else's TV, but in mine it makes the characters look hyper-real as if you are looking at them through a window. My TV does the soap opera effect with style.
@@harleyhale70 I bought a 70 inch model of the Hisense A6500G for $600 dollars. I'm pretty sure it's a European/Asian variant. The American equivalent may be Hisense A6G (or A6H). But I think my model has better specs than A6G. It also comes with Dolby Vision.
i have samsung j6200 tv. if i watch 24Hz film, what should be the best values for blur reduction and judder reduction? also good to know best color settings for movies
If studios would simply increase the frame rate up from the 24 FPS we’ve been saddled with since before the talkies, we wouldn’t need this tech. I keep motion smoothening enabled because I prefer to actually SEE something when the camera pans besides a useless blur.
Forget 24fps and ridiculous 60fps video games. I prefer the silent movie era. 15 frames max or it’s crap!! Color TVs ruined everything! Less resolution and lose the HDR too. I want my busted black white tube back!
I almost understand this, good job.
This is hands down the best explanation of soap opera effect. Well done.
SIMPLE: Interpolation looks really amazing for nature shows and sports programs. Really gives you a sense of being there. And I turn it off when watching movies.
true cinema
Yeah that shit cheapens the look of movies in my opinion
I want native 60, or even higher native movies. Size doesn't matter. I'll happily download 200GB.
24 fps looks like a slideshow, the small jumps are really obvious, and it's hard to tell what's happening...
@Selim Sultan Akbar the story sucks though
Makes football,baseball and puck disappear while on
Excellent reviews, this was very interesting. You guys are the best at these
It's not a review, it's a presentation
This is hands down one of the best video explaining motion interpolation! Thanks Cedric! I have the KS8000 and I find my self only use the motion flow option when watching nature documentaries. I'm going to try this on the 4K planet earth 2 when it is out by the 28th March
Thank you! That's by far the clearest, most detailed and easy to understand explanation of motion interpolation I've ever seen.
Keep up the great work guys!
The 2017 LG OLEDS are shipping this month! Hope to see a review soon, I'm really interested in the input lag numbers!
I feel like a Pre-Algebra student who's wandered into Physics II, but other than that, I appreciate the thoroughness of the video. It's at least helped me determine that I don't like Motion Interpolation, so that is not a feature I will look for in a TV. :)
So THAT'S what that effect is. I genuinely thought that things were moving by faster. I loathe this effect more than I can put into words. It gives me a headache and messes with my eyes. I just thought it was because the thing I was watching was moving at 60 FPS till I played back two videos, one with this effect and one without and they moved at the same speed and the one without the effect looked better to my eyes and didn't make my brain want to evacuate my skull.
Thank you for explaining, now I know what this is and how I can avoid it.
60fps looks great for videogames. A part of me really wants to be able to enjoy the lack of motion blur. I hate motion blur, but I find a 60fps video is just off like you said. Maybe their is a middle point. Reduce the motion blur but leave some, best of both worlds?
@@douglasmatthews2334 60fps looks fine for movies if they were filmed in 60 fps
what is the effect where some beards occasionally disappear (eg. 7:29) called?
Come to sences-effect.
shaving
Input lag. His beard hadn't caught up yet.
motion SMOOTHING
@@jeffreygordon2298 lal
At long last a video that really explains the opera effect. Wish I'd found it earlier! Thanks.
Wow! Very nice video! Very good explanation.
Just watched the entire series. Thanks for the concise explanations.
I feel like I'm one of the few people that like to turn frame interpolation on for everything. I mostly watch animations, so it doesn't really look like a soap opera.
DeeeFoo howww?
@@techyin326 animated shows looks great with it
To each his own. I don’t fuck with soap opera effect. It makes all content look the same. It looks like you’re watching the actors on set.Lol.
Have you ever heard an actor comment on how amazing the movies they are in looked after production? I mean when they comment on what it was like seeing the movie they spent months on, for the first time, once it was ready for screening. It’s because they’re aren’t viewing them with soap opera effect. Just sayin!
The way the camera pans without soap opera effect or how a scene moves from shot to shot adds weight to the scene and adds emotion(emotional tone), specially when the panning speed suits the soundtrack. All that shit goes out the window when soap opera effect is implemented but as I said to each his own!
There’s a reason the Hobbit sucked in the theatre after they shot the movie at 48fps as an experiment.(I’m shrugging my shoulders)
www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-masterclass-in-why-48-fps-fai-5969817/amp
Animation looks great with it
The only problem with motion interpolation is the artefacting. It's really good with animation, but it's getting pretty good with live action content as well. 24p has no place in the modern world outside intentionally low framerate aesthetic (hey, stop motion is a valid aesthetic too).
Wonderful explanation
Congratulations on shaving, looks good
this more in depth explanation is much better. all 5 videos were good, but i did like this video more
Awesome video. Hopefully we get some new updates on stuff like this since we got BFI OLEDs now etc.
This is the best explanation I've ever seen.
Now I understand why my friends' big expensive tv always make stuff look terrible.
Wow, what an oddly high quality video about consumer technology
as awesome as all the other explanation videos of this channel....
Kudos from Germany
Tom Cruise Told me to turn this feature off. So I now must. 😎
or join Scientology
Or just remain ignorant and simple and just convince yourself that it’s part of the UHD experience 😂😂
I love the effect. It makes all motion seem more natural. If you are a gamer, then I compare it like this: It's like getting used to a 144Hz monitor, and going back to 60Hz monitor. It hurts! Now, this effect creates delay in games on the PS4 when I use it on my TV. So I only use Motion Plus for series and movies. I can't go back, everything else looks so choppy and laggy compared to this.
I enjoy using it in gaming. It makes every single game look so much better. Everything looks SO silky smooth. Although there is an input delay, I find myself able to adjust in seconds. To me, the delay is similar to playing most games online.
dacentafielda12 .... Yes I 💯% agree, I love the look of it....
"So i only use motion plus for series and movies"
DUDE, those are exactly the ones you should watch WITHOUT the motion plus!!!
Slask Burton
DUDE you are fucking stupid. tehSuperSloth explained exactly why it looks better to him, which is a very good explanation, and you're just here basically telling him his fun and brain perception are wrong. Go fuck yourself you wannabe elitist idiot.
I think calling high frame rate content having a soap opera effect is not fair to native high frame rate content.
People have been misled by the industry into assuming high frame content has a soap opera effect - it does not if the video was shot at a native high frame rate.
I'm not sure it's even by accident either, as producing native 60hz or 120hz content is a lot more expensive to do, and non of the broadcast standards are defined at those refresh rates, neither are cinemas. However all modern TVs are, so we have to deal with judder and stutter...
Standards are defined when cinemas used projector with film, so had a built in "black frame insertion" so motion was perceived to be smooth, and when TVs were CRTs which again fired electrons at phosphorous to make it glow for a couple of ms then it started to dim, having the same effect as projectors.
Standards haven't moved on with the technology 90% of people use to watch content. Just seems absurd to me.
I find the idea of the 'soap opera' effect completely stupid. Completely agree that for most people it's just their interperatation of bad video made by stuff like this TV. I all the TVs that falsely advertise themselves as 120Hz in a barely-legal kind of way.
Anyone who get the soap opera effect is either an idiot who dislikes it because it's different, or an idiot that's misunderstanding it. Higher frame rates look better, action films look choppy. The amount of people I've heard say "it looks like it's in fast forward" is ridiculous, can't imgine how fast life must be going for them.
Exactly... It annoys me so much!
@@Capybarrrraaaa dude so true! Action films almost makes my head ache because of how choppy they look :/
@@VAIBHAV-fl6dl Same, when I went to see Endgame, the final action scene was torn up all over the place. With things flying around so much it just becomes a blurry stutter.
I get the idea of having motion blur naturally from cameras but when Iron Man jumps across the screen in 3 blurry steps it just ruins the experience. Makes me question people who think they get the "soap opera effect" because I'm apparently getting the same thing with low-framerate video. The stutter stands out, and isn't that literally the only criticism of HFR, that it stands out?
That's because many modern TVs can't display 24FPS properly. Hopefully, that will be fixed someday, and we will be free of judder and stuttering. Motion smoothing is horrible and not a solution, it creates more problems than it solved, specially in hand-drawn animation (Bambi became unwatchable when I tested turning motion smoothing on), Noodle has a good video on this.
Filmmaker IQ has two great videos on 24FPS and HFR. "Why 24FPS is here to stay in cinema" and "Debunking HFT myths".
I remember seeing a 4k tv for the first time at my aunt's house and watching a movie in it. It made me feel physically nauseous after an hour or so. It's strange how some people like the affect and it bothers others.
i can stand like 5 minutes , after that i tap out lol
the WEIRDEST part is that most people don't even seem to notice it's there?
Awesome! Thank you so much for posting this! Also great quality and very to the point. Love it.
rtings in all there informative'glory..very good vid and one of the best and most informative and easy understandable i have come acroos on this aspect.
Great work Cedric.
The best explanation I've heard. Thanks!
That’s a really good in-depth review, thank you!
TLDR: Good for panoramic shots, Bad for everything else.
Nope, Samsungs Q series 2018 TV's have Motion interpolation in game mode when awitched on with lag at only 21ms!!! A first ever for TV's! Got me running RDR2 at 60fps at native 4K! It's awesome man!!!
It actually keeps detail clear unlike a 24hz movie that looks like pure fucking garbage with screen judder all over the place. Any action movie in 24hz looks like trash you miss almost every motion in a mess of blur. 24hz is a old standard that was great it just gives a fake look and loads of judder and lose of detail in all motion.
@@EtherMagic I been telling people about how amazing it is to play 4k games on the xboxone x using game motion plus
@@emptyclaw1265448 it begs the question, why does Hollywood continue to persue ridiculous resolutions - undetectable to the human eye - but stick with a prehistoric frame rate which looks objectively shit?
@@emptyclaw1265448 yes. For gaming it improves the experience. I have a Q7 and Xbox One X, but for movies I turn it off.
excellent demonstration motion interpolation (soap opera effect) thank you!
This is an amazing series. Thank you and great job!
i quite like it, don't know why everyone hates it so much
Because if something was meant to be in a higher frame rate, it would have been shot that way!
its more so that the artificial boost in perceived frame-rate makes what ever it touches feel unnatural and ghostly instead of crisp and naturally smooth
sbcavo4332 well stated.
eyeh8nbc Are you suggesting that lower frame rate is generally better ? :D What about 60 fps cameras ? If you think smoother picture is anyhow worse, then you should get your eyes checked. Dont get me wrong, I know this TV feature which is artifically boosting FPS looks weird, but damn, our natural vision is not constructed from distinctive frames, therefore reality is kind of equivanelt to literally infinity frames per second. Reason why movies was not shot in higher frame rates is lack of required hardware/money.
Same here
Can't wait for the review of the new QLED TV!
its a joke..dont bother with it.
this must be the biggest scam in the tvs history
Patrik Gårdewall Why? I have it preordered. I'm sick of manipulative marketing and advertising...
You're sick of manipulative marketing and advertising, but have a Q-LED preordered? Q-LED = Samsung. Samsung = master manipulators of marketing. Look at saying "QLED" for example. They're not "real" QLEDs, they're just marketing that to confuse those who recognize OLED name but are not hardcore into TVs to research enough. The QLEDs have a lot of issues, and I'm glad Rtings review of the Q7 show this. In fact, all the 2017 samsungs have fallen way behind Sony and LG. OLEDs will still trump the Q-LEDs, both by LG and Sony. And I only saw the Sony E-series thus far and all those TVs look better than the Q-LEDs. 2017 is shaping up to be an epic failure for Samsung.
Samsung started Oleds too but stopped cause they know they are junk organic will never be better then inorganic
This video is very helpful, you explain very good .
Which setting is better for motion sickness? That's my main concern. Too much camera movement which is very popular these days, ruins the experience for me because I get motion sickness. would love to find a way to reduce that. So, on or off setting ?
I'm gonna go ahead and take a guess at your 1 year old question and say that probably you would want it on. I'd imagine the judder with it's constant "stop and go" type feeling, and the added difficulty of concentrating on that moving object, is what would make motion sickness worse. But that's just a logical guess.... best I can do for ya since I don't share that particular problem.
Absolutely Off. Motion smoothing adds additional frames to shaky movement, increasing the frequency of visual information leading to appearing as though the motion is occuring at x2 speed in real time. Nothing gives me harder motion sickness than motion smoothing on tvs.
@@Paikerchu13 right! makes me nauseated
@@Paikerchu13 Even higher frame rates. Played PS4 for years and not once had motion sickness (30fps), then switching to PC (60fps) it doesn't take much more than a shaky Call of Duty scene to make me feel dizzy.
Excellent, well explained and clear conclusions. Thanks!
I’m older I guess and it took me a while to get use to it__i harped for a while saying bla bla 24 fps for movies…but now I can’t live without the smoothness of the “soap opera efféct”
Great Explanation .Thumbs UP
How did you lose and grow a beard so fast at the end of the video
he probably said the N word in the original filming and then realized that he needed to redo it, but had already shaved. Thats what usually happens. The other option is he said something like "hi Pam," or Hey I got a text from Carol," but then realized his wife was watching, so he went and redid it.
@@brucespringsteeen7090 I agree
Your information is very legit bro. keep up the good work. I'm always up to help if you need an employee.
Great video and keep up the great analysis! That's what sets you apart from the rest
Such a good explanation. Thank you!
I saw this term for a year now on the internet and was a bit curious but never looked it up. After this video, I get it. And boy it reminded me of the old times of hard debates when 60fps Splash Pro player and SVP plugin came to the world. That was almost 10 years ago, guess 24 fps Paleolithic people are still at it.
Dude...your accent is thicker than my winter coat! 😜 love ur explanation of the basics!!
It is but he spoke perfectly.
@@Cryptonomous actually he made a lot of mistakes, not making plurals correctly, mispronouncing basic words... Made it very difficult to watch.
'tree for three, 'erts for hertz, 'turd for third, no letter S for many plurals etc.
Apparently it was so bad that they had to do several takes and he had shaved in between.
You never change your appearance until you know the product is finished, or start off clean shaven in the first place so you don't have to worry about growing it back , that made for the jarring difference at time marker 7:25 .
He might as well have worn a bright red shirt to make fun of the error.
@@Jack_Stafford go tell that to an Irishman and see what he says.
@@Jack_Stafford jesus christ dude
king of the nerds cheers fam
Merci guys!! Bon travail!!
i dont want to live in a world without my Natural Motion by philips.smoothness pur...
When I saw a clip of Avatar on a TV with motion interpolation I went cross-eyed and got a headache. I don't think my brain can interpret over 60fps on a flat, digital surface without my visual cortex going all *Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn* on me.
Is this a joke? It's a scientific fact that 120
You underestimate your brain! Since in real life we essentially interpret everything at Infinity frames per second, the more frames per second are actually easier on your eyes and closer to what your brain is used to having as inputs.
I'm not questioning your discomfort, you may not be used to it or maybe your eyes enjoy the vacation by taking in less information, or you are not blinking as often as is often the case when people stare at any screen. Most people could do well to turn the sharpness down on their televisions as well, there's no reason to have it on an artificially high setting that you can't discern from across the room, also can be hard on the eyes.
Any slower and things should start to flicker like an old black-and-white movie before 24 frames per second was picked as a standard. It won't be too many years before 60 frames per second or 120 frames per second will be the standard, and hopefully higher still so we can get closer to what our eyes were meant to perceive.
Merci Ced!!
Wow, great video and setup for the demo. Sub earned!
Pls make a video about explaining stutter!!!
Outstanding! Man I like this channel.
Really well explained.
very good video!
The main reason this was created IMO was the advent of 'smart tv's'. Meaning, at the time one would be exposed to poor video streaming sources which was most of the internet. You can see , most sports on youtube and similar sites is at 24-30 fps instead of 60. On DVD / bluray and even TV of decades back its no issue as the native FPS isn't changed. However on streaming its transcoded into 30 fps to save bandwidth and ensure compatibility with legacy players. This makes sports / news look like cinema; choppy , blurry etc. That is where this interpoliation comes in to play to 'fix' the low frame rate .
you explained very well
Thank you man, you saved my life. Im not sure how all the picture settings are suppose to be as i got the last tv on display. So the most prob changed stuff for visual display at the shop.
Just change to system setting. How about that?
TVs are usually shipped in the demo settings as they look the best with the demo video that is included on the TV onboard memory. you shuold just play around with the settings and find the ones that YOU like the best.
Lol, while watching this vid, I became obsessed trying to guess where this guy's accent is from.
It kind of reminds me of Van Damme's accent.
You're close. This is a French Canadian accent!
interpolation really is no substitute for actual framerate and pure hz value. this is where monitors and video games have television beat. because although framerates look different in a game engine, its still allows for virtually limitless framerates on monitors with up to 240hz displays. and i mean TRUE 240hz. no interpolation needed to display all of those frames at once.
Good explanation, thank you.
Great thing about TV is as mentioned last in this video how input lag doesn't really matter as much and the TV can therefore keep a larger buffer when doing interpolation. My TV does pretty lazy interpolation, meaning it'll do it when it can do produce good results, but doesn't do it when a lot of new information is introduced which reduces chances of artifacts. So it's the middleground and while it sounds ok, it's kind of jarring if you know what's happening. I'd much rather have it either on for everything or off for everything. Which is why I like SVP (Smooth Video Project) for the PC. You can control the settings and whether it's on or not for whatever video you watch through a filter based player like MPC.
Thank you! Great explanation. And you also answered the question of whether I should use it while gaming! Nifty. =)
Game Motion + apparently is great for gaming
I understand your English perfectly, you don't need subtitles.
closed captionining is for people who are deaf
Great vid. I have a Samsung UE46D7000 in my living room and I've had it for over 3 years and love the "soap opera effect". I bought an LGUH661v for my man cave and tbh, I the SOE isn't as good as my 3 year old + Samsung. I'm selling it now after a year and buying another TV. Any recommendations on what I should look for to get the best Soap opera effect? Cheers.
That's because many modern TVs can't display 24FPS properly. Hopefully, that will be fixed someday, and we will be free of judder and stuttering. Motion smoothing is horrible and not a solution, it creates more problems than it solved, specially in hand-drawn animation (Bambi became unwatchable when I tested turning motion smoothing on).
I love the soap opera effect. It almost gives off a 3D feel like it's happening in front of you and not on a TV.
Johnny 34 I am trying to get used to this effect but it seems so strange to look at.
You're full of shit and so are all of the others that like it. It's the difference between watching a play at the theatre and watching a blockbuster movie at the cinema. Which is the most exciting and rewarding to watch? Fuck all of you guys that want to come off as different. Go on a movie set where your favourite actors are shooting a movie and tell me that the scene will look as fantastic or better than the finished product. When you watch soap opera effect you see the movie with out the film filter as you would if watching a scene shot on set.
@@Loophole23742 lmao your so butthurt, "why are people liking a thing i dont like"
I saw my friends lg tv with smooth higher refresh rate. People in the movie were like real.
as long as you stay on the lowest setting...i think clear it is called at least for my brand. i cannot go back to not having it. it is not so strong that it adds that effect people talk about but there is just enough that picture moves so smoothly compared to your standard rate. No more jittering on camera pans, character movements are incredibly realistic when playing games or watching movies. It's just the best. Only the lowest mode though anymore than that and i find it jitters even more so than with it of entirely depending on the build quality of tv and how much effort was put into that function it can very with how good it is but when it works good it's soooooo nice.
Please do a video like this for HDR!
its weird how some people cant see the artifacting around fast moving object when interpolation is turned on. I cant have it on because I just see blocks appearing over stuff, usually at the edges of the screen but whenever I ask anyone else if they can see what I'm talking about, they cant see it.
people's brains are weird. and different.
Really well explained, great video
great informative video
Seems like the solution is simple. Filmmakers need to shoot in higher frame rates. I would love to see the next Avatar sequels in true (not interpolated) 60fps 4K.
Like the Hobbit? That looked like garbage IMHO (at 48FPS), like everything was in fast-motion. Extremely unnatural.
You weren't paying attention.
Faster frame rate is the problem for cinema. It shouldn't be used on movies else it'll create the soap opera effect. Doesn't matter if it's a mere interpolation or a native 60fps. It's just bad for movies.
can you make another video to explain what you said in this video?
Best comment ever
To each its own i like my smooth action.
You’re the best Cedric
That beard grew quick, Cedric.
Has anything changed since this was published? Have the algorithms/processors improved much?
Please tell me a tv that has this effect. I love it
Good job
Excellent explanation. Hahaha you go from beard to no beard then with beard again, just like how you explain the process. Haha
i have the Samsung ks8000. I'm disappointed with the motion interpolation, i get jerkyness and cutting on images. i didn't get any on my older 6300. are equivalent Sony or LG models better at interpolation?
Basically switch on game mode or filmmaker mode to avoid the downsides
someone should start a GoFundme to buy Cedric a new t shirt :p
And elocution lessons.
i have a issue when playing games that my Samsung MU8000 leaves trails and give a motion blur while panning the camera i know turning on game mode will fix this but degrade the quality of picture. would you be able to recommend of a different way to solve this issue?
I love the effect. l call it the Digital effect though. For the picture doesn't look analog. I didn't get a Digital TV for analog picture. Just sayin.
Yeah, that's why I avoided all those great big screen analog TVs you can get to put flat on your wall...
But anyway, a movie shot digital is digital picture, even without the feature. With motion smoothing, you're just at a new hyper-digital level.
How does this tech compare to Nvidia Frame Generation? Seems to do the same. Why then need for specialized GPU cores for something a TV can do?
Why would anyone like or want the "Soap Opera Effect" for TV or movies? If you can't turn off motion interpolation, that is a deal breaker for me. On your reviews, you should say whether or not motion interpolation can be turned off as I have seen some, where it cannot.
I like the soap opera effect. I use it on all my movies, gaming and shows It's how i like it. Those who tell me wrong it's your opinion if you like it off that's fine as well. Some says it's not what the film makers wanted. Well it's my tv if it's enhancing my viewing experience I'll enjoy it how ever I want at the privacy at MY home. At least i can go see it at a friends house that has it off and not whine about it. Saying it makes them want to poke there eyes out. Or act like babies demanding that they remove it from all tvs. It's optional you literally have the option to turn it off. What gives you the right to want to take something optional away from others just because you don't enjoy it? If you came to my house and complained that i should turn the feature off. I would send you home because if it was vise versa i wouldn't bitch about it.
Same. Theres a lot of movies I rewatch when I go to my dads house, just because he has a tv that can do this. Especially with older movies/tv shows, (Starship troopers / star trek, etc) adding the extra frames through this process makes them all like they recieved a 4K remaster, its really great. That said, there are some drawbacks, for example, if you ever watch a character running in front of a fence, like a chain-link, or one with lots of lines, you can see the system struggle to draw the frames, and the background will not match the surroundings at all.
And in certain fast moving scenes, depending how busy the background, you'll see that too. Other then that though, I find it very visually appealing, and I find the "Soap opera effect" just helps everything feel that much more real, like you're really there.
i'd use motion smoothing if the tech was better. my TV is from 2021 and cost around 2000 USD at full price and the smoothing effect is god-awful. and that is definitely the most expensive TV i have ever bought.
i sincerely hope no one is making a moral issue out of this lol XD
Love the soap opera effect
hate the you
i thought i was watching a soap opera version of independence day
Just a shame there isn't more "Smart" features in our smart tvs such as a mode that keeps auto motion off for most content but enables it when it detects things like sport shown on screen. Having to manually change it is a pain but it's better to keep it off and switch it on when watching sport imo. Also newer Samsungs have incredibly low input lag (My TU8000 TV has 8ms) but you have to disable Game motion plus, alot of people don't search for that option and complain about the lag.
Rick and Morty looks so goood with a higher refresh rate!
It's my favourite effect in games, it gives a "60hz" feeling. One question: is it possible to activate Motionflow in Game Mode on Sony LED and OLED tv's?
It'll add input delay and muddy the image. I woudn't recommend it for online games
Dear author,
Please make an updated video.
I suspect, things have changed in a while. =)
Hmm. I think this soap opera effect is good on games, but not good on movies.
Should be using Game Mode for games.
Games are usually 60fps. No need for the Opera effect.
@@slazerlombardi haha only on PC.
@@lucasrodriguesdasilva3480 are you living in 2008? Next gen consoles also run games 60fps+
@@slazerlombardi just some fighting games, the gigantic majority on PS4 is running 30 fps(mine is not the Pro i want get directly the PS5 next year).
yes, i really hate actual soap opera shows; but, i def love the "soap opera" effect on newer tvs!!!
why???? it looks soo STUUUUUUUUPID! you think more is better huh? whatever, to each his own
My feedback is that it increases cinegraphic appearance as the video appears more realistic. With the exception of the insane artifacts attracting your eyes until you learn to ignore them. Or try and ignore them I guess.
cinema is traditionally filmed in 24 fps or 23.976 fps or 25fps. cinema is not supposed to be realistic in that sense.
to each their own, of course. just wanted to "clarify" =P
I fucking love the soap opera effect. It looks SOOOOO good on my 4KTV. It looks like shit on everyone else's TV, but in mine it makes the characters look hyper-real as if you are looking at them through a window. My TV does the soap opera effect with style.
Mind sharing which one you have? :P
@@harleyhale70 I bought a 70 inch model of the Hisense A6500G for $600 dollars. I'm pretty sure it's a European/Asian variant. The American equivalent may be Hisense A6G (or A6H). But I think my model has better specs than A6G. It also comes with Dolby Vision.
i have samsung j6200 tv. if i watch 24Hz film, what should be the best values for blur reduction and judder reduction? also good to know best color settings for movies
If studios would simply increase the frame rate up from the 24 FPS we’ve been saddled with since before the talkies, we wouldn’t need this tech. I keep motion smoothening enabled because I prefer to actually SEE something when the camera pans besides a useless blur.
Forget 24fps and ridiculous 60fps video games. I prefer the silent movie era. 15 frames max or it’s crap!! Color TVs ruined everything! Less resolution and lose the HDR too. I want my busted black white tube back!