You (probably) shouldn't get C2 Furina.
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Furina will be rerunning in a couple days, so I figured I would ramble about my experience with Furina C2 over the last many months that has led me to believe most players will not get much value out of it.
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TL;DW: Furina C2 is weirdly variable in its value, to an extent wherein I think many players will not get much value from it. Hence "probably." It's a weird constellation, one of my favorite ones, even. But not necessarily to an extent that is worthwhile. Always evaluate the value of a constellation relative to what you would lose by deciding to go for it. Gotta be smart with those primos to play this game healthily, imo.
I do have a question about C2, would it be worth it if you are using an er sands?
Tbh im only getting c2 furina cuz I accidentally c2 my nahida so now I'm on a quest to c2 all of current female archons
@@hithere-oi8vu you may as well do Zhongli and Venti, at that point, lol.
@@agentbluegaming7709 nah I won't be pulling for them
C2 is a must for me the only way to max fanfare with a single target healer is through c2, also you gain extra hp so that it allows you to switch from Hp goblet to Hydro Goblet with more room for dmg substats with her aftifacts.
why i love furinas c2, is because op single target healers can now max out fanfare, like bennett or kuki
also the extra dmg for her makes things like sayu furinational viable (also if you've never tried sayu furinational please try it it's genuinely the most fun team ive played)
@@kontterswhat is that
@anhao2237 a team consisting of sayu, furina, bennett and xiangling. sayu is used as the on fielder to swirl hydro and pyro so that both xiangling and furina do massive damage, she also provides healing for furina and also does pretty decent damage herself if you're like me and you build her with crit. also the fact she's so fast allows u to spin around the enemy, so that xiangling's pyronado hits way more often in single target situations
Even Neuvillette with Prototype Amber is great enough for healing!
I regularly used Neuvillette + C2 Furina + Raiden + Nahida in a hyperbloom team, and it deleted everything in its path! Arguably, the most OP team.
I have C6 Furina now, so I can experiment with any team.
@@SunnyHikikOmori Even better prototype amber nahida is enough to max out stacks.
Soluna out here leaking the new 4 star character Kaveh before his release,what a legend!
i thought his name was kevin? maybe they changed it in the latest patch update
@@bbysiea😂
@@bbysiea doesnt he have a sister or something? kate?
I believe Emily is his sister...@@NevertahnProduction
@@parp2903 its a reference to cbt genshin...
Thank you! Decided to get C6 instead
same
LMAOO
SAME LOL it eliminates needing a healer so she can literally be in any team
LMFAOOOO
Same lmao, although C2 is one of the most busted cons in the game not to mention he didn’t even reach true full fanfare as there’s FOUR thresholds for her fanfare animation.
Last one is a big circle flash and I don’t think i say that pop off at all lol.
"You probably shouldn't get C2 Furina."
Me who has a C3 Furina: Uh, about that...
Go for c6☠️
C3 does make the relative value of C2 higher, since C3 vs C1 can now be 125% frontloaded dmg bonus vs C2. (Edit: C1 enables easy 87.5% dmg% immediately frontloaded, C2 enables 100%, and C3 enables 125% in conjunction with C2)
But I was specifically speaking more from my personal experience using Furina C2 of course, I do not have C3 and dont intend to get it.
As a fellow C3 haver I now sit with the tough choice of, A: C6 and fulfill my dream of Furina as a main DPS... Or B: Save primos for up coming Natlan characters that are most likely going to be game changing, just like how Fontaine was... (And ya bet'cha im rushing A head first!)
@@Zoshiao go for furina rerun, get as much copies as you can->save for natlan after her banner ends->wait until her rerun again and complete the c6, thats what Im gonna do lol
@@Zoshiao Gonna be going for Sigewinne myself on the upcoming banners, as C3 Furina is enough for me.
She's already one of the best character at c0 & Imma keep her that way to prove it.
prove what? to who?
@@Apate- to level 55 co-oppers
You can't even use your Furina at Co-op, because Furina mains will have C6R1/R5 Furina
@@Jamyan14 I wish everyone who has R1+ splendor a merry donut or bownut. Actual cursed weapon and now key is also on banner with navia's axe. My C6 furina will forever be forced to run festering desire.
“you need your primos for the kaveh rerun” that’s the exact reason im skipping furina…i feel extremely called out right now 💀 thank you for the continued kaveh main representation soluna
"That happens once every 70 years.."
your username is very relatable
He's being held hostage by the pyro archon at this point
Imo c1 is already a good stopping point, and alot better than most people think. Its probably one of the best first constellations in the game. She can't really maximize her dmg in a team without double hydro and teamwide healing anyway so her personal dmg aside, in terms of buffing capabilities c1 is almost as impactful as c2.
An instant 150 fanfare stacks upon burst activation translates to an instant teamwide 37.5% dmg bonus (about the same as kazuha's but not restricted to an element) and instant 15% healing bonus, allowing her to work significantly better than at c0 in teams with a non teamwide healer, and in teams that have one or in teams that can max her stacks out fast through other means like Neuvillette, she basically now doubles the dmg of your entire team because of the maximum fanfare stack increase (300 to 400 = 75% to 100%) while frontloading a bit more of your dmg due to the instant 150 fanfare stacks. Basically, c1 is enough to make her noticeably stronger and wayy more flexible and any more cons is just kinda bait. (really fucking enticing bait tho, c2 still is absurdly strong and c6 basically allows her to excel in any role and not just sub dps support)
All this aside tho, I still wouldn't hesitate to pull her for her c2 under normal circumstances since I got an early lucky c1 from her first banner, but I can't just ignore the rumors of a navia rerun next patch.. (I hope its not true)
I got C1 Furina without knowing how good it was just because I liked Furina and wanted to spend every last primo on her, the thing is even with just C1 the teams become so good to the point where I feel the downgrade when I switch her to another characters. one of my best investment in Genshin that I thought was useless.
I sometimes use her with arlecchino with Layla and it's better than kazuha in that case
FVape C2 Furina with Nahida/Instructors Sapwood Bennett/Jean or Kazoo on VV is so fun to play.
Crabaletta deals 250k+.
Kazoo/Jean procs Burgeon.
The damage bonus of c1 is only around 9% compared to the 30% of c2. C1 is a great comfort con but is insurmountable compared to c2
@@Kisumu_ is this team damage or her personal damage? Because it should be higher
@@Kisumu_ Where do you get that 9% damage bonus? From C0 to C1 damage bonus is around 38% and 25% at max fanfare.
Give all your earthy possessions to Furina
Every video that reminds me that kaveh hasn't been back in a year makes me feel special cuz i got c6 kaveh during baizhu's release. Which is both a curse and a blessing (I'm a fischl and baizhu main and both of them are C2)
I've been running prototype amber nahida for months now, especially for overworld. I'm definitely getting c2 furina
Prototype amber is enough for furina drain? Whats your refinement on prototype amber? You comfortably stay above 70%?
@@billcipher1702 I actually cant always heal as much as I'd like but it works for me. It's r5, probably as many refinements possible are preferable.
@@neoslayerpw8230 what team you running with nahids with prototype?
got my Furina to C2, no regrets. Now able to use a hydro damage goblet. Also the massive increase in HP through the increased fanfare by her C2 is amazing.
Wait who is blonde gentleman? He looks really good when is he gonna release? I Didn’t know mihoyo gave you early access to ne characters!😊
Its Kaveh, I think his first banner is announced for version 7.5!
Super helpful. Thanks! I have been sitting here debating with myself over the upcoming rerun. I've had Furina since her release have been planning to get c1 and possibly c2, but c2 would deplete everything I've saved unless I got super lucky. I think I'm going to go for c1 and save whatever is leftover for those juicy pryo characters coming down the road. Thanks for a great explanation of how her c2 works.
from a player who's aiming at speedrunning, and attempting at shenanigans:
- Furina C0 is almost always a sidegrade to Xingqiu (hyper invested Noblesse build); while she's great to help casual clears (because of ramping buff)
- Furina C2 is great for speedruns, as you frontload the buffs, and can notoriously abuse it with Arlecchino and super invested Bennett Shenanigans (well farmed Instructor for instance). While for casual clears, it's about the same as said in the video.
- for people playing Neuvillette Furina, probably already C0 is enough, as the clear pace is already fast enough
- C2 Furina in "casual plays" is more a thing to to really buff weak units, like she already does at C0, such as Noelle.
C2 Furina hugely buffs Noelle, and allow Dehya VV Vape to actually clearing abyss boss' chambers in 15/20s which isn't too shabby.
As a fellow C2 Furina, C4 Ayaka, C2 Arle main, pairing these 3 with Benny boi clears anything in Ayaka's burst window.
xingqiu is irrelevant zajef alt
A team that benefita lot from the C2 is neuvilette + kazuha + zhongli because it already is the best Neuvillette team and its main weakness is how slow they are generating fanfare... here C2 will make it so that the 1st Neuvi CA is already fully buffed, while Furina will continuously gain HP for her summons, this is huge DMG. But I see your point that is how variable the value of this cons is.
Yes, I tend to use Prototype Amber instead of a better 4 star weapon on Neuvillette because I value the team wide healing he provides in that team. It also drops my energy needs to 0 and can use those stats on pure damage so it tends to perform pretty well. Can often do about 40k damage charge attack ticks in Spiral Abyss with a Prototype Amber. This is usually good enough to clear most chambers in seconds.
@@AzureDrag0n1 but if you have his signature it's not even that hard to do 70~80k with c2 furina in the team. it becomes hard to justify prototype amber. his book is INSANELY good, one of the best weapons in the game. a lot of characters can make great use of it, including klee, wanderer, yanfei, heck, even reverse vape charged attack mona and barbara. if you have neuvillette, i highly recommend his weapon. great value for the entire account. the only bad part is that you'll have to save up around 220 wishes to guarantee you'll get it 😓 but hey, it will probably happen sooner than that, then you're left with a lot of wishes to waste on whatever you want later.
@@GenshinYuppe That requires pulling on the scam weapon banner and not actually getting his weapon. You have to give up 2 or 3 characters to get his weapon.
@@AzureDrag0n1 that's worst-case scenario, and that's why i said you have to save ~200 wishes (it usually comes within 150, and you have some refunds via duplicate four stars, but~). if you don't make sure you can guarantee it, it's not even worth trying. and like i said, if you get it early, you still can get characters with the remaining wishes.
honestly it comes to a point where weapons have better value than characters because they enable the ones you already have to be more viable. Also, you get weapons even when you lose 50/50, and those can be useful too.
but you're not wrong, the weapon banner is pretty scummy. probably not worth on a new account, unless the other weapon in the banner is also good
@@GenshinYuppe Personally I can't think of any reason for his weapon other than for beating those max difficulty whale events that have bosses have a 100 million hp or something. I already beat Spiral Abyss in seconds using him.
watching this youtuber yapping 17 minutes (literaly just c6 her) 🗿
Based
I’m glad you’re talking some sense into me bc I really wanted C2 but was debating on settling for C1 or C0 bc the 4 stars suck
Same kinda just gonna wait for next rerun or invest elsewhere, especially when the new game mode requires more characters and less overall damage
1:04 funny thing is, I'm actually waiting for the next banner announcements before pulling for Furina for this exact reason...
Who’s Kaveh? Is that a new 4 star from Fontaine?
Thank you for the video, very helpful and informative, making me see her constellation in a different light, keep up the good work brother!
my furinas crabeletta prior to c2 i dealing 65k at best with r5 wolfs fang
now post c2 its now 100k definitely worth it
Well do you use furina as main dps or support?
You’re right! I (probably) shouldn’t C2 Furina. I should C6 her!
Anything for my Regina!
Thank you! I always see video comparison of Furina C0 vs C2 like C1 and what it does doesn't even exist. I would say most people value Furina's buff more than any potential damage she could do. C2 is really on valuable when you don't run a dedicated healer, otherwise what's the point. I feel her stopping points should either be C1 or C3, C2 shouldn't really be considered a stopping point unless you value not running a healer, though most still run a healer anyways.
If you’re c2 you should save up for c6. It’s pretty broken how versatile she is at max constellations. F2P low on primo gems then try to just stop at c1 but if you saved up for over a year like me then c6 . She is worth it! Best girl!
Yeah if you are the kind of player that can play this game for a year straight without pulling for a new character it could be achieved.
look, its not necessary but since I saw my girl getting max stacks from a burst skill of a lvl 20 charlotte, yea its kinda worth it imo.
you can unironically use her on team with "poor healers" and still get max stacks and on co op, its like, 2s to get max stacks too.
One of my big problems with her at c0 is how she took a big while to reach max stacks while youre doing your dps rotation so you lost potential big hits there but with c2 she just get max stacks while youre changing characters, its kinda of ridiculous.
I may be extremely biased cuz I also dont like that we have to wait for Yelan's buff to do something and cuz c2 leaves you closer to c6 which is imo, very funny to use.
It's exactly like he said in the video!
@@dleise not really, he said it isnt worth it if youre not taking advantage of faster stacks on teams with poor healers and Im saying it is worth it even on teams with strong healers cuz instead of waiting for her stacks, you get it basically instantly.
She CAN get max stacks for you quickly at C0/C1 though. Its a matter of how you end up using her. But yeah, as I said, unoptimal healers (which includes and unbuilt level 20 charlotte, yeah), are the main context it can be abused and can be valuable in. If you are always using her with Yelan, I can see why you notice it more since double hydro increases the relative dmg contribution of Furina too by having lower ER needs. I dont think Furina is at her best with double hydro though, but obviously different people can have different preferences for teams to use her in. Hence my argument being a wishywashy “probably maybe shouldnt get it” kind of argument
@@Solunerra I dont even have Yelan tbh, I just dont like the slowness of her buff so to me, the faster Furina can reach max, the better for the team, she is always on fav too even tho I have festering desire cuz to me she really doesnt need the extra dmg lol.
The main thing about c2 imo is that she can do that even without a good aoe healer which rn we dont exactly have options that can justify their slots on the team(having to use Jean instead of Kazuha on a team or using Xianyun just for the heal and vv and ignoring her whole plunge thing as examples).
I totally understand the argument because it is indeed a little less value than it seems but at the same time I would not trade her c2 for more characters at all but thats just me.
Dont know how you feel about this but I really take my time being picky about who I pull for because most of the time now I prefer cons over new characters, I just dont feel the need for new gameplays that much, maybe it is the side effect of being an 1.0 player I guess.
@@Solunerra Correct me if I'm wrong, but assuming you're taking no damage outside of her skill HP drain and starting from 50% HP on the party, C0 Furina = ~4s to reach 300 stacks after full heal and skill HP drain. Under the same situation, C2 Furina can reach 800 stacks instantly. If you're starting from full HP, C0 = ~13s relying on skill HP drain alone to reach 300 stacks. C2 takes 2s to reach 300+ stacks, 3s to reach 400 stacks, and ~8s to reach 800 stacks.
I think C2's value can come from its ability to quickly gain stacks when your team is at healthy levels of HP when you activate Furina's burst.
I have c1 and pull for c2, end up losing 50/50
I gave up
Well, it also increase Furina healing for co-op by a lot I guess. A jack of all trades who can deal dmg, team wide heal(a lot), team wide dmg buff(100% uptime), tanky, auto target, energy recharge(fav).
C0 can do the same, but C2 will make everything above even better.
"You probably shouldn't C2 Furina"
Me with my C6R1 Furina: you were saying?
I love your theory videos like this where you talk about specific characters you're messing around with and thinking deeply about, exactly because you think about things these ways. You challenge the initial concept the community has agreed upon, which aren't even innately wrong - C2 Furina is best version of Furina - and finds a way to think about it sideways - well, even if it's good, does it actually change how you play her to be worth getting like how constellations can change how other characters play? An easy comparison I can think of is Zhongli is good, but C2 Zhongli is better bc at C2 allows him to have 2 pillars AND co-op his shield, and these 2 things are valuable & can change how you play him [actually bother to use him in co-op with friends].
Basically longwinded way to say I love these vids, I hope you keep it up!
i feel u with this, i was going for c2 arle but lost the 50/50 which im happy about now cause that means i can get sigewinne, was also thinking of getting c2 furina this patch but i decided to just get c1 (i already have her c0) so i can get navia next :)
it has felt a bit predatory with c1's in fontaine being so strong, especially with arle she felt so bad without the c1 for me
I’ve never done or seen any calcs about it, but I’m curious to see how Furina’s C2 and the Key of Khaj Nisut could work together, maybe in a team with Alhaitham and Kuki (who both can appreciate the extra EM)
even at C0 this weapon is amazing on her, she stacks the weapon’s 3 hits quite fast, teams that use em benefit a lot from it
The difference is not much. My Furina has about 50k hp with Key, which provides 100 team EM. At max fanfare stacks, the HP increases to 70k, which provides 140 EM, an additional 40. However the increase in EM doesn't happen off field as you have to switch into Furina to register the higher HP. Then ts also hard to get 70k hp fast on a team with Kuki, so realistically you're only seeing 60k hp which is a 20 EM increase.
Overall the difference is quite negligible
honestly i wanna pull for furina soo bad
C2 Furina:
-can have ER sands no issue
-doesn't need HP% sub stats either, so you can chase those crit% rolls => even more Furina's personal damage increase than can be calculated on paper
-with C2 even first rotation on teams stacks fast (healers that are used in her teams, are used for fast frontloaded healing when her burst starts)
-finally, can be used with teams with no healer (in case of emergency, take Zhongli with you=more shred and stagger resistance than a healer would bring=more damage)
C2 is really flexible! That constellation enables to use her as a healer while maxing her stacks and enabling to bring a non healer character into the team. My favorite team using her as a healer is Eula Furina Shenhe & Raiden team... it just works!
i got myself really lucky with c2 furina, literally 2-3 wishes each cons, and before her cons i struggled with abyss so much i couldn't even beat the the first chamber of floor 12, now with c2 i can, even tho my xiangling anx bennett are lvl 60, it also encourages me to give her fav since her cons so much dmg but encourages you to build er for since without her burst her cons means nothing, pretty cool
Honestly, I'm open to people fighting me but I don't usually would recommend constellations in 5★ characters.
Unlike some 4★ characters, which the kit only feels completed with the C6, I feel that getting constellations in 5★ characters makes the game easier, and I personally prefer a new character, that can open new team compositions and thinking what could go good or not is hell of a fun.
I hate that lately, specially on the 4.1, MiHoyo released characters that didn't feel completed without the first constellations, almost telling players to pull for it, but it stopped at 4.2, luckily.
Perhaps that's why Sigewinne doesn't seem much fun right NOW as or 4.7. There is not much innovation in the teams she's good in, mostly can be covered with Kokomi. Hopefully they'll release in Natlan a character that has more synergy with her.
Also, a BoL support characters that makes the new 4.6 set just like Marecheusse.
Anyways, good luck to anyone who's pulling for either weapon, constellations or to get either Furina or Sigewinne.
I think Furina's c2 big advantage is also to enable hypercarry teams with Bennett, because without c2, you'll barely stack Fanfare in these teams. For example with Wanderer, Faruzan, Furina and Bennett team
swap bennet out for charlotte with TTDS in that case. she's actually better than bennet because of the +20% crit rate w/ cryo that wanderer has, plus team wide comfy healing, lots of particle generation and reliable cryo application to keep the talent running - plus 48% atk bonus from ttds is nice, and you get get 20% more if you use noblesse on her. but i personally use him with c6 diona instead. worse heals, but shield! shield is absolutely delicious with him. plus it allows me to use retracing bolide on him, which is a set i have infinite godly pieces for, and makes diona's shield as strong as a zhongli shield, almost
Maybe it's my 250% CV Furina talking but I think you're under-valuing a couple things. First is Furina's personal damage. My C2 Furina does roughly 650k damage in a 20 second Neuvillette team rotation accounting for about 30% of the team's total damage herself. At C0 she was doing about 450k, so it was about a 10k DPS increase for the team without factoring in fanfare benefits of other party members which is really solid.
Additionally, there's a lot of value in how fast she gains her fanfare stacks. Even in teams where she would've maxed the 400, with C2 she will max that 400 extremely quickly and then go beyond and increase her personal damage. Having more front-loaded damage and higher buff uptime is a major benefit and accounts for significant damage increases on other party members.
Obviously it's not necessary and people shouldn't spend money they don't have when you can easily clear abyss with no constellations, just think there's more strength there. I'm also an Al Haitham main so his team with Nahida, Furina, and Kuki is his strongest and swapping for Baizhu as a teamwide healer (even if you also swap to EM Raiden for more hyperblooms) is a significant damage downgrade from Nahida, and more so if Nahida is C2+. C2 Furina really shines in this team, and it doesn't feel too squishy either.
It all depends on how you play the game and how you use the character. People tend to go "OH MAY GURD SO MUCH DMG" without actually understanding what is happening on a mechanics level in a way that allows them to actually gauge how relevant it is to how they play the game. Thats kinda all Im trying to encourage. Ive seen how a lot of people talk about and play this game, including a very significant portion of the playerbase that doesnt care about Abyss. And then I see these same people gushing over "Im gonna get [insert constellation/weapon here] with my 40000 primogems!!!!" There is a large diversity of players that approach Genshin in different ways, and I think to the majority of them, Furina C2 is not worth it. The higher relative strength of the constellation makes it more likely players get baited into pulling for it just due to community rhetoric around it being so strong. So I just want people to think a little bit more clearly about things, rather than having nonsensical reasoning justifying getting things like "well its this many %%%% more dmg" or the even worse weirdly common mindset Ive seen where people feel the need to get constellations to show their dedication to a character.
@@Solunerra I 100% agree with you on the thought process behind why people shouldn't pull for characters. There's way too much FOMO and false pretenses about dedication and "needing" constellations. If someone doesn't truly understand what they're getting I would advise they skip constellations entirely.
I'm a nerd when it comes to builds and optimization so I like to look at what gets the biggest ROI for my primos for characters that I like. I always play a lot of abyss and really enjoy Genshin's combat and team-building. In my case and others that care about numbers and team comps, Furina C2 has a lot of benefits, but I will never advocate for anyone spending a lot of money or feeling pressured to get constellations or characters they don't enjoy.
Personally, I'm a welkin-only player and I find that's a healthy amount just to get a steady extra stream of primos above F2P level. I don't pull for characters I don't like even if they're busted (Arlecchino) but I do get signatures/constellations when I like them and it's really impactful like Furina and Nahida.
In fact you didnt even need furina that much, well this is in my case since i thought having yelan and kazuha are not enough but after getting her i fell i didnt get much buff that i seek.
But at the end i still high invest on her after the quest
Dawg I really like how you present your info and got the chill style. Very easy to listen to but I also gotta respectfully disagree about the c2. Hope you have a blessed day my dude.
I have her at C0, and she's good enough. I try my luck to get her C1, but if I won't, I won't.
Not sure about the “makes the team more fragile” argument. Most of the people who play a burst healer like Jean or Charlotte, these healers heal once and then your team slowly goes back to 50%, if anything c2 makes it so you can makes fanfare way faster with healers that continuously heal (kokomi, sigewinne, cloud retainer, etc.) and these healers are comfier because they heal a lot and continuously throughout the rotation
I appreciate you for this video. I've been looking for an excuse to not summon Furina's C2, because I originally (when she first came out) planned to get her to C2-C4 and stop (DPS Furina), but I also still haven't gotten Zhongli and I really need him for some of my teams. Aside from that, I deal more than enough dmg with Furina to not necessitate her C2 even despite not having an optimal main DPS, and I'm looking to save for Zhongli and the Pyro archon. Thanks to pity, I'm actually guaranteed a Zhongli now.
Bennett's instructors build made me think of fridge teams with c6 Diona. Maybe that could be an another interesting way of utilizing Furina's c2, as shields might help with the problem of team being extra fragile without a team-wide healer.
can confirm that diona is pretty good with furina and wanderer
me who got c1 furina in 100smth pulls and still has a bunch of quests to farm primos to get another 5 star if i dont lose the 50/50:
This video wont stop me from having c2 furina, since I already have c2 furina. But I also plan to get c3 or just all in in this banner, since 4.8 (probable) banners arent that interesting
I'm just glad I got her C2 on her first banner. I can even on-field her on a team like Furina / XL / Yelan / Healer (benny, PAmber, etc)
I'm just going for C0 Furina for my clam dps Qiqi but I would always watch a Soluna vid any time
i will flex my c0 kaveh every change i get😁
I have c3 😏
C5 Kaveh..
I have C4 and I didn’t even pull on his banner 😭 like go away bro I don’t like you 😭
@@lilypad2714 😁
@@lilypad2714 well give him to me
although this isnt also the most significant boost, i do think it is still a bit valuable that your team and onfielder have more uptime of max fanfare boost with c2 compared to c1 and c0, although of course that uptime is probably less than 5 seconds for most teams
As someone who only play nahida with neu, or in wet rock with noelle/albedo/chioir, I really plan to go for C1 furina. Her C2 is overkill for what I plan to do, but her C1 perfectly bump the need of healing% at the start of the burst stack on both of those teams. Noelle can snowball really fasterer from that, and with neuvillette, you have a better first proc of her A1. Better mass team healing = no need for team healing.
I have her C2 from last run. I didnt even go for it, it was around 30-40 pity both C1 and 2. I was un/lucky lol. I just wanted C6 my Noelle. 😂
you're literally using favonius and questioning furina's damage, like, there are f2p weapons that offer more damage (crit value) to her
Fav is her signature weapon and if you thing elsewise you are probably not getting much value from Furina lol. And even if Furina was using a higher dmg build (which implies you think my Furinas dmg was low, which it isnt), the relative dmg increase for the whole team is still not that significant. Furina getting a 20% dmg increase when she is doing 25k vs 20k hits does not suddenly make the c2 dmg increase meaningful for whole team dps
@@Solunerra I am getting a lot of value from her since I own an energy sufficient build with her actual signature at C0 and she makes the best teams in my account with perfect abyss runs, I mentioned TGS in the other comment because his content is really well calculated, tested and explained, you should check that out
@@Solunerra the fishing f2p weapon and fastering desire are much better, I’m not saying favonius doesn’t work, it does work wonders when you NEED it, but claiming it as her signature is just wrong and that’s why your judgement over her damage is clouded lol
@@luisftc1you cite TGS but even by his own calcs Fav is only 25% worse than her signature, and only 15% worse than the pipe. The difference between Fav & her other options are not that drastic, and what you lose in damage you make for in team energy - which is more valuable in most comps.
@@luisftc1imo fishing weapon is kinda overrated on her. Sure it’s good but if you have a decent build for her fav weapon is enough (if you don’t have fastering desire)
This helped a lot!
I was getting anxious because i want cons for Furina since she's my Kaveh's best partner but i reaaaally want cons for my Kaveh... so, skipping her to get c1 in the future sounds more achievable than c2 all at once. Thank you!
ps: i know furina's cons are better for kaveh than his, but i love my main and he already hits like truck with furina c0
I think c2 furina and c2 nahida are the best things you can ever pull at least imo. I have c2 furina and she's BiS in all of my teams. In general it's better to pull c2 supports since DPS get powercrept therefore their constellations become a waste over time (example raiden who I have at c3 is basically replaced by my clorinde). In hoyo games supports don't get powercrept so their value is eternal. Look at kazuha he's a 2.0 character or something and he is still top tier
This video is the equivalent of the meme "This sign can't stop me because I can't read"
Yeah gonna pull C2 Furina because I want to maximize my Hu Tao team.
Me already having C2 Furina and most definitely will pull C6R1 in the future: Hmm, interesting, anywa-
Edit: The hp your Furina has is diabolical.
A datapoint for the interested: I usually play Bennett, Xiangling, Kazuha, and Furina. I ran seven times in three chambers each with C1 Furina, then got C2 and reran it. My times were consistently 15% faster in each chamber, and I was less likely to die. This is exactly a case that Soluna says C2 is useful for.
*Sad Noelle team wide healing noises*
My favorite team core right now is Furina, Bennet, and Xiangling. It hits so hard with literally any 4th teammate. I got Khey of Khaj right now, and C0, so I'm gonna skip her weapon and go for at least C1, and most likely C2 just for that Bennet team :)
Thanks for this insightful video, it was exactly what I was looking for!
I pulled Furina the first time around and was now considering to get one or two cons. I play her mainly with Neuvilette and that team basically already has enough damage for everything, but I do appreciate a bigger buff, also for other carries. I do not really need more Furina dmg though, so I guess I'll just go for C1.
Everyone has one-self's play style. I don't know how different it can be, but I saw that your Furina has 22k HP, so i don't know how much difference can be factored in between a C0, C1, and C2 with 22K HP vs 33K+ HP. Maybe someone can solve that mystery for me?
Yep, Im just trying to urge people to really consider what is actually going on on a mechanical level in order to determine if its worthwhile for how they play the game (since all constellations do is things relevant on a mechanical level) before spending in game resources/money on a constellation. I think the majority of people who end up getting constellations/weapons never actually have a real need or understanding of what they do to make it worthwhile, such that even the strong constellations (like Furina C2) are basically bait to most of the playerbase.
As far as your mystery goes, my Furina is powered down, but an "optimal" Furina build with C2 when still paired with good healers is to have a hydro goblet. But its really not that different from C0--ultimately the priority for Furina is always ER first, then whatever amount of HP/crit you can get on top. HP vs Hydro goblet generally comes down to what one you have that has better stats for you. But usually a C2+ Furina, with goblets that had very similar substats, would prefer a Hydro goblet. Its basically just a case of balancing your stats--Furina C0 wants HP goblet because she has a lot of sources of dmg% already, so HP goblet ends up being better. Furina C2 gives her so much HP (sometimes) that Hydro goblet becomes better again. To get optimal dmg you just balance stats, but often times optimizing to that level is essentially irrelevant
@@Solunerra A very thoughtful and detailed comment. A lot of info here. I personally just put Jean with her. Somehow I don't pile up ER that much but still the rotation is kinda OK. Probably because I put this combination with Raiden and Nahida/Yelan (or Neuvillette and shielder) most of the time. Thanks for the solution.
Do I still need an HP Gob for C2 furina or can I use a hydro Gob
Furinas c2 works quite well with a shielder on the team no. Kinda sounds like c2 furina would be very good with noelle no?
furina is literally her best team mate. there are zero downsides to using furina in a noelle team.
I got c6 furina. you can stop me old man! it only took one third of my summer bonus
Funrina is a great support for my Neuvillette. She does really well now, I’m not pulling her cons. Saving for Natlan…
I thought about getting her c2 because i almost always have her on key of kaj. But those 4 stars are so bad that I'll wait until later.
It is still one of the best C2 in the game on literally the strongest support character with unparalleled strength. It opens up a lot of things (hydro globet for example) and team building potential. You dont always have to slot an AOE healer in the team as long as one of your characters can do single heal (kiku/Bennett for example) or self heal (Clorinde/Neuvilette)
You just cant go wrong pulling for this constellations, regardless of what characters come next.
single heal and c1 is more than fine
another advantage of furina c2 is you can invest more in cri rate/crit. Damage and ER stacks
c2 furina is amazingly good and useful tho and the hp does help bc shes a sub dps so ur gonna want her to do dmg and also buff which she does. C2 is most definitely worth it and i think ppl should get it
After watching I will still go for c2 but won’t spend if I lose my 50/50s
I am fascinated by this Kaveh team, is he built for just dendro dmg with the plunge stuff? EM for core pop? hellish mix of both?!
Idk why yall forgetting that furina increased incoming healing bonus too, so your trash healer can become good and get those max fanfare
NIce advice now I will get her c6 instead
he's really wrong in this video, go watch The Genshin Scientis (TGS) video on Furina's constellations, he explains it in a much better way and uses actual calculations to prove it
Yeah, people should go watch the likes of TGS and get a different viewpoint on the game. Quite frankly though, I think he is wrong if he thinks Furina C2 actually makes that much difference for most players. It can make a difference, but with how many people Ive seen just use Furina incorrectly, I think they will see more use out of Furina by simply learning how to use her rather than getting a contstellation that makes her better.
Believe it or not, Genshin isnt really a spreadsheet game. Its too contextual to draw meaningful conclusions on calculations alone. Im not saying calcs are pointless, I did superficial calcs this video in mentioning a teamwide healer can give you 200 fanfare stacks immediately. But calcs are something used well within a particular context, not something done to evaluate a vague question that is highly context dependent like “how worthwhile is Furina C2”
These thoughts have come from the fact that I used Furina C0 for 2 months before activating C2, and noticing more circumstances where C1 was doing something, and C2 wasnt. Thats kinda it. Constellations, even good ones, still are mostly bait in this game
@@Solunerra I agree that it’s not necessary as every constellation is not, but I do consider your thoughts shared on the video poorly calculated, your examples of C2 scenarios were absolutely out of place and the impact of the C1+C2 combo is very relevant, she becomes undoubtedly the best buffer in the game and contributes heavily to the overall team damage, your favonius hot take says a lot about how you use her, and that’s okay, but many people use her with better F2P weapons, that’s it
@luisftc1 the fontaine fishing pipe is amazing on her. I only have her c0, don't feel like I need anymore
glad i watched this cause i'm 165 wishes into trying to get from C1 to C2 (big yikes, all my savings)
gonna save the guarantee for emilie instead
Been saving this video before I got furina... Finally got furina on hard pity but hey won 50/50😂
I've been saying this since her inception
first banner everyone was like "yeah stop at c2" and im like "what, no? it's excessive for no reason"
much rather get a teamwide healer like baizhu than microoptimise
I think it makes single target healers better for furina teams by a large margin but that's about it,
Actually let's cast away variables because this isn't how Furina players play Furina, let's not assume people who pull Furina aren't gonna pair her with healers (there are absolutely no players who will do that other than beginners). And Furina's C2 is giving dmg bonus teamwide and personal as much as a Raiden C2. Duckfero calcs btw
There's no such as "depending on what you do with Furina" there is only one way of playing Furina. And he said "you're making your team so much more fragile with C2" but that's a problem with C0 Furina as a whole like Furina is innately making your team more fragile and Hoyoverse said "No, it's forbidden to play Furina without a healer. She's made for healers". And healers were useless before Furina even came, like who used Baizhu, Kokomi, Jean, Charlotte. This is why Fontaine is the "heal meta". C1 Furina Kazuha is not far to giving buffs as Hutao Yelan Kazuha. The best defense you can have is not healing shield, your best defense is your damage. Why would anyone play without healers against wolves that apply corrosion?
There's no sence in "Abusing her C2" how do you even abuse her C2? Bringing one healer? Or just abusing her C2 by doing an animation cancel, a glitch, using foods? That sentence doesn't make any sence.
No C2 is currently more valuable than hers, not even Kazuha's Raiden's Yelan's Nahida's. Ask every single youtuber, theorycrafter and they'll say these C2 are only a fraction of Furina's C2's dmg bonus (Nahida's C2 only gives 18% btw).
C1 you take 6-10s to get max stacks so you'll have 99% dmg bonus at around 8s and you can't snapshot so your max dmg won't be 99% but maybe 30%. With Furina's C2 you'll get 99% dmg bonus at like so much earlier like 2-3s at the start of a rotation and in total you'll get like 70%ish. I'm not buying that "Oh but it only makes things just faster and increases her max hp to do more dmg which is irrelevant since your main dps does 90% of your team dmg" Despite Furina not doing Xiangling's vape damage she still does like immense damage.
C2 is not a 15s build up, let's not say C2 builds up slowly and it gives you 20% (which is not realistic to say) since you can get 140% hp and 450 fanfare almost instantly. It IS the case (and saying otherwise is an excuse). Your first rotation is the drain alone and it does give you full stacks fastly, second rotation is an instant teamwide healing and 1s drain and you're full stacks and 140% Furina hp. If C2 is not valuable for you then there's no reason for anyone to get a C2 since the others aren't as excellent, but a luxury is a luxury and by comparison this one is worth the money.
Why are you saying "C2 forces you to need a teamwide healer" C0 and C1 forces you a teamwide healer too. Why do you think unlocking C2 will drain twice hp, C0 makes you stuck at 50% HP as well. Perhaps you don't realise the power of healers and don't want to bring a healer because they don't do damage? In this case I think that this video wasn't properly thought
My Furina team is (c6) Layla, (c2) Charlotte, (c0 r1) Neuvillette and (c0) Furina.
Charlotte isn't even on a healer build. She's there for her skill to fill in the gaps of Layla's cryo application.
Edit: Additionally, i know a lot of people talk about constellation toggling mostly in context in accidentally toggling Bennett's c6, but having the ability to toggle it for like, guides and stuff would be a genuinely good thing. I have several C6 4*s and my friends (who don't) ask for build help a lot and they dont always have the same constellations i do because they just got the character or whatever-
Second edit: checked my charlotte, shes c2
Ur losing out on neuvs passive in that team, an anemo character would be op
@@Suuuushj1 no, im fully aware of what im doing. While yes, im losing some damage, i find this team fun and it still clears abyss no problem. I dont even use furina with sub dps, shes pure healer because I dont use Charlotte's heal on this team and i dont need neuvi to start at 50% hp because he gets all the stacks for furina's burst by making his hp bounce like a rubber ball and this team instead utilizes furinas spill over healing.
@@Suuuushj1 also this utilizes Layla's c4, making up some for lost damage.
Throwing an anemo character into there would actually make me slower, because I have a rotation that the most thought that goes into it is "i better not have that camera device activated."
@@justenoughforacoffee c6 Layla must be dumb broken if u clear abyss with no problems with a not that well built Charlotte and a healer furina. Insanely hard to believe u cleared this abyss with that team, withOUT a problem
@@justenoughforacoffee bro I believe u can clear abyss with that team, I believe u can do it in less than 30sec. But I do not believe that a anemo character would be worse, no way
The good thing i notice about furina buff is different from other buffs , correct me if i am wrong , for example if i use shenhe buff with ayaka i will get some great dmg but finish fast , but when i use c2 furina, i get around 16-17 seconds with max furina buff , so all ayaka dmg , skill , normal charge attack are almost doubled for 16 seconds, is this correct? That furina buff not have restrictions with some amount of hits like shenhe or yunjin , so if that correct furina c2 in ayaka freeze team are amazing even no need for furina animal dmg if co op , also i test her c2 in co op , and only i use healing and watch everyone do high dmg
I need more damage for the abyss, screw the defense !
Ohmygod thank you, im still heavily contemplating c1 furina or c0 furina and c0 emilie
I mean C1 Furina is more noticeable than C2 Furina for how I think she is best used lol. But Id definitely still choose C0 Emilie over C1 Furina
as someone who has played with c1 and c2 furina (played for about a month before activating each con) it really does make a difference in single target healer teams, like hyperbloom, teams with bennet, teams with neuv and more offensive supports, even itto teams, it makes her a character that you can slot into any team for a free 100% damage bonus and i definitely do recommend. she can trivialize the game to some extent though, (my navia went from doing 158k from skill to 254k between c0 with teamwide healer vs c2 with bennet) it has in my experience made it so that she is the best character for every single team i have. do with that what you will
@@Solunerrathis just isn't correct 😭😭😭
@@tajfarnbach1547it's because he got the numbers wrong. I have absolutely no clue where he got that c2 is a 20 percent damage boost when that's straight up incorrect. The con on its own is about a 47 percent damage increase and when c1 is taken into account it's even more valuable.
C2 furina is not required but tbh C0 furina is so much worse it’s not even funny. Her c1 and c2 are so broken and make team building so much less restrictive that it’s basically like playing a team with five characters.
I will never regret C6 furina
I'm at C1 and not guaranteed. So I'ma try my luck, if I lose, then I will remain at C1 and would just save my guarantee for Natlan. C2 would be nice as it can make her team comps more flexible. But I'm not pushing it as I can already 36 stars the abyss as it is. Fav sword user btw (still pissed that I can no longer get Festering Desire).
I have c1 Furina
I was thinking of going for c2 as she's one of my favorite characters. (I'm guaranteed too)
But I gotta save for Umbrella Warefare
As she's another favorite character of mines
When are the devs gonna give us what we really want...a jungle gym on the spiral abyss island for content creators to jump and play on.
i am watching this as i am pulling on her banner (i won every 50/50 and got her c2)
I was at 77 pity guaranteed, did a 10 pull got 2 Furinas back to back 🎉
It's Furina's first rerun and I'm skipping her again 😂
Disagree with you. C1 and C2 are 10% and 20% team dps increases over C0 respectively. There's merit in the argument that a 10% team dps increase from C1 to C2 is) may not be worth a 5 star pull. But if you're making the argument that C1 to C2 doesn't provide a 10% team dps increase, the argument is weak.
For teams with no teamwide healer that cannot reach full stacks quickly at the start of the rotation, C2 allows for almost immediate stacking and a much higher team dps. Teams include Al haitham quickbloom, neuvillette zhongli, Hutao.
For teams with a teamwide healer that can reach full stacks quickly, Furina typically has a high team dps contribution of more than 30%. Teams include raiden double hydro Jean, Kokomi triple hydro driver. Let's say Furina's C2 increases her personal damage by 30% throughout the rotation (Kqm calcs has it at 40%), 30% of 30% is a 9% teamwide dps increase alone. This does not include the damage increase from a faster stacking.
Hence there really isn't a scenario where C2 loses out and doesn't provide the 10% team dps increase over C1.
As a matter of fact you shouldn’t get any Cons for any char over new char. That’s a crazy mistake to even make 💀. I have C2 Furina because I like her, but she also kind of provided value to my acc, would have any other char provided better value for my acc? Hell fucking yeah. Nilou would’ve provided so much value over getting C2 Furina that it isn’t even funny. If I was looking for value I would’ve skipped Furina constellations without a second thought.
I'm trying to get c2 after i got c1 in 30 pulls
Nah my Xiao needs that Furina C2, same as Xianyun C2. I'm pulling for both.
Fellow xiao main here
I shouldve watched this before i pulled her c1 aiming for c2... ohwell i got her c1 and it makes gaming do big numbers from the get go so makes most of his plunges do a ton
On that kaveh note, do you Have a particular kaveh build you recommend?
i got c1 is sig weapon my accsident i needed stars glitter so i did a 10 pull then i got furina on 2 pity next day i did 3 single pulls on weapon banner and got it
Also, gotta keep in mind that Natlan is just around the corner and there will be an inevitable gameplay and meta switch again, another Neuvi, Furina levels of game changing maybe, so who knows if getting Furina C2 will be a guarantee 'worth' pull rather than personal preferences, in my case, I really wanted Yelan c2 ( lost her c1) and Nahida/Nilou c2 but now I can't careless anymore because how much fun most Fontaine units are, I think I'd feel the same when I start to use a new mechanical Natlan team. Of course, if you really like the character, go for it, I'm on a very tempting spot rn with a guarantee, between Clorinde, c2 Furina and Emilie, I have 1 day lol.
the fact the meta switching never meant old strategies stop working. meta is a lot like a fad tbh.