@@vizmortlock none mate..I'm a lorry driver it's so difficult to keep under 20 around inner London. You have bike riders passing on both sides now. Just pulling out on T junctions by the the time you've straightened up your over the limit.. don't like going down there now.
UK gov said they're using Wales as a test before rolling the 20mph out to all of UK. There is a petition against it, don't need to be Welsh to sign it. Would recommend we all do
In UK a petition to pull out of WHO was replied to, there will be no debate on this. Government have decided to so stay with WHO. We do NOT need to be governed, they are AGAINST the people.
How is being on the road for 30% longer safer ? How is polluting for 30% longer helping air quality ? How is being on the roads for 30% longer helping congestion ?
When you understand that the 20mph speed limit and rejigging the Highway Code a few years ago to give priority to pedestrians and cyclists over motor vehicles (who actually pay to use the roads) is to dissuade you from using cars etc and that they want to bully you into your allotted 15min zones 🤔 see the matrix yet?
@mattwardman and reports show that the slower the car is travelling the lower the drivers concentration drops. Yes SOME people make silly mistakes. But your mentality is punish everyone for a handful.. does that mean you'll happily be imprisoned for murder?? I mean let's punish everyone just incase
I agree with 20mph zones around schools but these blanket 20mph zones are ridiculous, and trying to tell us it's 'greener' is even MORE ridiculous. My daily driver can comfortably do 30mph in 5th gear at 1200rpm but when lowering the speed to 20mph I have to drop to 3rd because 4th gear doesn't have the torque to pull the car. At 20mph in 3rd my car is doing 1500rpm. At 30mph you can cover a mile in 2 minutes, at 20mph that same mile takes 3 minutes, which means for each mile my car is pumping out MORE exhaust gases for an extra minute.
Know your enemy : in London Seb Dance - Transport deputy mayor , £141K pa Ex EU - infamously anti brexit - cycle lobby (and married to Lord Livermore Advisor to Gordan Brown when diesels were being promoted by him as the best for environment! ) - this is the remit : ' As Deputy Mayor for Transport and Deputy Chair of Transport for London, Seb will focus on delivering the Mayor’s transport strategy, ensuring 80% of all journeys in London are on foot, by cycle or public transport by 2041.' This is what you get if you vote Labour in London, combined salary c£300K pa telling us what to do and making laws which impact the least well off
My 86 year old grandmother recently got a fine through the post for speeding in a 20mph zone in semi-rural north wales, being caught by a camera van. First mark she has had on her licence since April 1964 where she was charged £4 for speeding (she still has that ticket!).
I make that just over ninety nine pounds on my inflation calculator. I had a ticket in seventy three for going 35 in a thirty, fined ten pounds and licence endorsed.thats 157 pounds now. My only ticket to date fortunately.
Nearby there is a 20mph limit all the way through our village which goes on for about a mile and half which used to be 30mph however when you reach a secondary school at the end of the village right by the school gate where there is a crossing the limit goes back to 30mph !! What's that about ?
I live on a residential B road with a 60mph limit, it’s just madness out there. Parish council, resident petitions and guidelines from DFT have no effect on this crazy speed limit, but I wouldn’t welcome 20 limit either.
Remember the flashing >20mph< signs we used to get near a school when they were starting/ending? That made sense. A temporary restriction at a time where drivers needed to be more vigilant. I can't think of the last time I saw one of those. Why does the same road need to be 20mph at 2am when noone's about? If they truly wanted to make the roads safer then they should focus on driver training and awareness rather than lowering speed. With 20mph limits I've seen a drastic increase in the number of impatient cars/vans running red lights and distracted drivers using mobile phones. Both of which are a greater risk (esp phone use) to safety that the 30mph limit that's been around since the 1930s. The argument for emissions is false too. My car gets almost half the mpg at 20mpmh compared to cruising at 40mph. I honestly don't understand what their objective is, 'cos I can't think of any positive reasons for it.
I got my first speeding notice from the police (1st speeding offence in over 30 years), I was caught by a speed camera doing 24 (ridiculous). I opted to do a 'Driver Speed Awareness Course' instead of a fine and points on my license. There is a charge for the course which is almost the cost of the fine. The next day after the course I notice I hit 25/26. It's impossible to keep religiously under 20. I have nothing but contempt for all this nonsense, it is indeed a money making scam to load coffers full of cash. I think an EV being heavier than an equivalent ICE vehicle, both travelling at the same speed will cause more damage due to it's higher weight. So slowing those down makes sense as they are more likely to cause increased damage at any given space. Looks like Sadiq and Co also realised that it's another way to make money as well.
Yes, regardless of what some of the self righteous brown nosed nuff nuffs say it is incredibly difficult to maintain such a slow speed in a modern vehicle and I can't use cruise control in either my car or my van because in both vehicles it you can't engage it until you hit 30mph. Also what others are saying is right, in the attempt to drive at such a slow speed you spend most of your time looking at the Speedo instead of the road. It makes congestion much worse because the vehicles end up bunched together making it difficult to exit side roads and it definitely makes pollution worse because in order to drive that slow most vehicles have to be in a lower gear. There's a road I travel on regularly in rural Norfolk that was 40mph for about a mile as it went through a small village, by the time the limit reverted back to the national speed limit you were in open countryside, not a single building in sight. About 5 years ago that speed limit was extended for about another 1/4 mile for absolutely no reason whatsoever except it now passes a disused bus stop which has been adopted as a small layby, which by sheer coincidence is now where camera vans like to park!
If they want to make the roads safer they should try resurfacing them instead of reducing the speed limit. Dodging potholes by weaving all over the roads is far more hazardous than doing 30 mph. 🤬
All deliberately set at 20mph to catch out people who are driving carefully anyway. Being such a low speed limit staying at 20mph is very difficult as you feel like you’re not getting anywhere. Easy money for these thieving gits controlling the London councils. This will eventually ruin peoples vehicles as you’ll be permanently traveling at low speed and increases vehicle emissions pollution as there are a lot more traffic jams due to low speed limits, LTNs, cycling lanes and no entry roads.etc. Complete con.
I can absolutely understand a 20mph limit on side/residential streets, but on roads that are designed and built to get people to where they want to be in a reasonable time is beyond stupid.
But you don't need a lower speed limit to drive slower, anyone driving in congested built up areas should drive to the conditions and slow down anyway.
I live in a very rural area and so the open road without observation or camera's is a city dwellers dream for driving! Quite often I can be the only person on the road for miles which is great for relaxing drives. When the 20MPH started to become a blanket coverage I thought that I would try reducing my speed just to see what it felt like for about a mile. It was the worst and most boring going backwards experience ever. I began to feel tired and my concentration started to wander because I knew that the stretch of road was an easy drive and it took Sooooo long and was not much better than walking! Obviously sensible speeds should kick in when appropriate and self imposed for safety reasons but Khan is on a money gathering scam when it comes to motorists and other vehicles and he knows it. I bet his armoured car's plate is exempt from triggering fines at any speed!!! 🙄
Makes me glad I stopped living in Greater London in 2023. Unfortunately even though Sadiq Khan will get less than 50% of the vote, the rest of the vote will be split so you are stuck with him. Still you might as well try.
I live in Harrow on the Hill so not far from you. I can totally agree with you! Try driving down the Finchley Road - full of cameras and 20 mph is absolutely ludicrous, as is the Greenford Road. At least the Kenton Road is still 30mph for now... As you say Sadiq Khan uses this as a revenue earner, as do most local Council's. Brent in particular with their yellow box camera's are absolutely hammering the motorist! I have been caught on East Lane in Wembley and in your neck of the woods on Kingsbury Road!
I recently tried to go by train from north Wales to Blackpool. The trip should have been easy and pleasant. They managed to make it a f.. ing nightmare trip. Nah, not doing it again.
It becomes more absurd, when you consider the people who failed their driving test for "not making progress" for not going faster than the now maximum speed of 20mph!😂😢
Looking forward to the new experiment! 9 hrs, crazy! So many 20MPH roads now that shouldn’t be, thankfully not many in Bromley and the ones that are tend to make sense. Fed of up shifting between 2nd & 3rd gear driving through Sydenham & Croydon in 20mph zones that really need not be. Our driver at work was caught doing 23mph three times last year, cab driver of 30+ years too, he’s close to giving up work altogether.
Residential speed limit in Australia is generally 50 kph, with congested shopping areas 40 kph; a few inner city Melbourne suburbs have just introduced 30 kph speed limits, which will likely spread in time; many people have stopped driving to those areas to shop, which damages business but the car hating councils don't care.
There are also additional insurance costs following a speeding fine and points on licence.We will soon reach a point where everybody will have been fined. According to nat stast office , 20 mph limits has had no effect on road casualties. We all know this has 2 aims, first to raise money and second to force ppl to give up their cars.I am sick of being dictated to, by ppl in authority who dont know what the hell they are talking about.
10mph speed limits are next.They laughed at people 5 years ago who predicted 20mph limits.A conspiracy theory you know.They were laughed at and mocked.Well mock me then.
It's very unfair for people who drive for a living, lorry drivers, couriers and tradesmen, it's not if you get caught but how many times are you going to get caught, no office job has this amount of stress and controlling behaviour.
As a hgv driver I find the road network a nightmare with speed limits going from 30 to 20 to 30 or 40,its very erratic.if you go across barnes common which is very quiet its 20 mph but when go up roehampton lane where you have a primary school and a college its 30 mph.makes no sense
Confusion is what they want, points raising your insurance premium & fines going to the authorities, they don’t like to see disposable income sitting idly in your bank account if you have the audacity to get off your arse & do a days/nights work.
I can't believe no one has added the meme of Captain Kirk shouting KHAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean it would sum up how we all feel. I struggle to even do 30mph. 20 is mental. Might as well go back to horse and cart
I live in Carshalton Surrey, you were mentioning congestion, to that end there is a roundabout at Rose Hill, it has 6 roads converging on to it, in 1970 when I moved into the area it was quite a free flowing area however they decided to install traffic lights on the roundabout and from then on it became congested, admittedly in 1970 the traffic was lighter with les cars on the road but it is now a nightmare getting through that area. However about three weeks ago I had to through there at rush hour time and was dreading it, but when I approached it I was surprised to notice there was hardly any traffic, only then did I realize that the traffic lights were out so everybody was using it as you would with a normal roundabout and so it was virtually empty. This tells me that the traffic lights on this are a means of coursing congestion so they can say, " see how bad the traffic is and how much pollution they are generating " well they will if they are all stuck in a traffic jam !
I can’t remember where, but there was an experiment in some European city, some years ago where they removed road signs, traffic lights, everything. Accidents and injuries fell significantly and traffic flow improved
Congestion is created by policy of the councils. Adding lights where they are not needed (as in your example), closing off all side roads, LTN's, narrowing lanes / widening pavemnts, 24hr bus lanes, cycle lanes, pinch points where only one car can pass and the oncoming traffic has to give way, need I go on? Take just half of all these things away and watch how congestion simply disappears.
There is a TFL press release from last year which can be found on their site which states the 20 MPH limit in London is being expanded with a target of 1 million speeding fines per year.
I am going through an FOI , and got a speeding ticket for 6mph over 30 mph and been told by the Traffic Penalty Tribunal that it is a Civil offence and not a criminal offence so i referred it back to the Met who sent me to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal and have yet to have a reply back. PAY NO FINES AND DO NOT COMPLY.
I have electric bicycles that go faster than 20mph. As for going 20mph in my car, I would have to ride the brake and leave my manual transmission in 2nd gear in order to maintain that speed.
Aye and what would do to emissions even to the cleanest of vehicles.....chant would just say the extra income will b for replacing ULEZ cameras due to the fantastic blade runners.
I do the same I have to keep it in 2nd gear and through a long 20mph limit my truck goes into regeneration after a while because of the engine being at higher revs so what would normally get blasted out when you get out of a built up area (which is wrong cus all it does is move the pollution further out) gets blasted out in the town or city And if I leave it in automatic I keep getting dpf filter issues which costs alot to put right so the cheapest solution drive in manual, cars are not designed to go so slow for so long especially with all the pollution control crap on them
@@stum8374 I will say this, running my car 20mph in 2nd gear burns more fuel than driving 35mph and in 4th gear. These types of camera enforced speed zones are about collecting money, not safety or the environment.
If it goes 20mph under electric assist, it's a moped not an electric bicycle, unless grandfathered in from pre-2014. And you need the full moped insurance etc package for use on public highways. In a 20 zone I just set my cruise control to 31-32kph and it is fine; it's a 6 year old car.
what they dont say is that the fines come with 3 points MINIMUM!!! End up getting banned for minor speed infractions of a few % just because the government wants more money
I think the reason for 20 MPH limits is to make ICE vehicles less efficient and more expensive ( and more polluting) to discourage them and the fact that many cars speed control either don't work or are unreliable at 20 MPH, ( typically below 40 KPH). So speed monitoring or control equipment may not record speeding detected by speed cameras, also their could be that changes to speed limits may not updated on the National Data base when they are introduced.
When I learnt to drive I was told 30 mph was the maximum speed limit But the actual speed limit was the safe speed limit So coming up to a mini roundabout you slow down Coming up to side road in certain areas you watch out for car in side roads and prepared to slow down and stop just in case the person in the side road did not see you The same with school the Same with park areas the same with town centres Kid playing. We did not need to be told what to do and you never had to be worried Now with these 20 mph zones you spending most of your time trying to stay at 20 mph and keep looking at your speedometer so you don't get a fine. I think 20 mph are more dangerous than 30mph. To take away people right to think And to scare people well that dangerous
This attack on drivers should be outlawed. I do a small stretch of 20 mph with a junction to pull out of safely. Going along I have to watch the speedo a lot to keep the speed right. How many accidents has this stupidity caused? Cars with cruise control don't offer a 20 option which is what people need to protect them from this tyranny.
My next door neighbour got caught doing 33 mph in a thirty by one of those vans and had to go on a speed awareness course an hours drive away. He is a very careful driver as well .
20mph is the preferred speed for manually driven cars in a system where there are a lot of autonomous vehicles. Above 20mph and autonomous vehicles can struggle in street scenarios. There are enough companies who want to run autonomous 'taxi like' services, which are highly profitable due to a lack of driver, wanting to get us to use their 'eco friendly' options
i just got 3 points for going 59 in a 50 mph temprary speed limit 'for air quality' on the motorway. Didn't even see the sign until I got flashed. Fucking scam. Literally it was less than 1 mile and it was night zero cars on the road
If you didn’t see the sign then you committed another (more serious) offence of driving without due care and attention. Take it on the chin, the road being clear etc is irrelevant.
BROWN CAR GUY ... YOU ARE A GODSEND!! As an advanced driver and former instructor with over 50 yrs experience both in the UK and the US, I have just watched the most comprehensive summary of the driving environment in Britain today. You have hit so many nails on the head that you seriously deserve a CBE for services to British motorists. I've wanted to make a video myself along the same lines for a while but you have done it for me! Thanx so much. You've made me feel so grateful that I don't (and never will) live near London. But unfortunately here in Wales we have to live with the same ludicrous nonsense since the start of the 'default' 20mph limit back last September. We had our own version of Sadiq Khan, in the form of Mark Drakeford .. a dismal patronising woke nerd (now stepped down) and his cronies who all think they are experts on driving and roadcraft. So sad to think the golden age of motoring is now long gone ... RIP
Sadiq khan and TFL are wankers. I have been driving for 34 years without incident and no points. For the first time in the last 6 months I have been hit with 3 points going 28 in a 20 mph zone in a road that has been 30 mph for over 30 years.
When I took my HGV I was told that a 44ton truck traveling @ just 5mph will if it hits a stationary object will weigh 60ton on impact ! So 20mph will make no difference what so ever as regards a heavy vehicle ! What would make a difference would be exactly what you said an initiative like the green cross code for kids . Cycling proficiency test at school age . A more robust enforcement of traffic laws on the cyclist that deliberately flaunt the traffic laws No lights jumping red lights etc . All this includes the cyclist that ride for a living . I have emailed a certain well known delivery company about one of there employees riding. This guy rode down the pavement of a one way street the wrong way no lights and when straight off the pavement in front of my 26ton artic ! I was told they train all their riders ? I have to periodically sit a CPC as all HGV drivers do covering various subjects such as vulnerable road users . Are training is on going. We have also had a session with the metropolitan police commercial vehicle unit . There are areas where these speed limits are applicable but many areas such as some you mentioned are questionable at the very least.
By making all vehicles go slower in Urban areas you are Knowing Increasing the amount of Pollution in those areas. Cars travelling slower and less Efficiently.
London is one big massive car park as it is, in all that traffic going nowhere.. target the drivers is easier than sorting the infrastructure is really wrong.
20mph speed limit enforcement is all about extorting money from ordinary people! Great for local authority’s coffers, great for insurance company’s coffers, great for enforcement camera company’s coffers! Those who assert that it’s all about safety, how many people were killed in your neighbourhood by cars travelling in the former 30mph zones? Sure 20mph limits reduce the likelihood of accidents, but by how much? Give us the data! What reduces accidents is everyone taking care of and responsibility for their own safety. A responsible motorist will adjust their speed to the risks that present, so will often drive a lot slower than the speed limit. Equally, a responsible pedestrian, or any other vulnerable road user has a duty to look after their own safety. Common sense! Laws that automatically apportion blame for RTAs due to a hierarchy of vulnerability are about as moronic as they come!! What idiot foisted that upon us??
Ive had two fines in the last two years (my wife got one of them) 22mph and 23mph, as a result we dont drive into that area anymore we drive 5 minutes further in the other direction and take our business elsewhere. Kahn is an idiot and is hurting not just drivers but anyone who does business and depends on passing trade. these financial and economic idiots will turn the whole city into an economic ghetto at this rate. The roads around my house are completely devoid of parked cars on a weekday from 8.30am until 7pm because the council took out the parking meters while at the same time as charging more for parking which made it really difficult to get tickets as the service doesn't work all the time, when the revenue dropped significantly they extended the hours and put the price up more, genius, pure genius...
I have been riding motorbikes for 50 years and driving for 39 years and own a car and 3 motorbikes, I am proud to say that I have never had a speeding ticket. Living in Wales now means its only a matter of time before I become a speeding statistic. Then it will probably be for doing 25 in a 20 zone.
Speeding is not 'normal' If you don't want to pay fines for speeding, just don't speed. Only a conservative could find that hard to fathom! You probably think taxes are theft too! smh
I have a small automatic 1200cc and when I go through 20 mile an hour zones I an forever just hitting the brakes, in drive it wants to do more than 20 mile an hour particularly downhill. I’m waiting at the moment for a speeding fine, where I didn’t see the 20 mile an hour sign due to weather being so bad. We’re just being penalised as motorist.
How ridiculous is it that we have a dysfunctional London Mayor who puts the priority of fining a motorist doing 24mph in a 20 limit way above that of the endless young lives being lost on his streets to knife crime. Absolutely disgraceful!!
I'd really like to see the statistics showing how much these 20mph zones have contributed to reduced road injuries! Where they're good, I'll back them all the way. But where there were NO PREVIOUS ISSUES surely they MUST be scrapped!!! 🤨
What's the fucking point of anything anymore.
I'll have to get my coachman a new red flag to walk in front of my horseless carriage again.
I'm getting that way too, but.... that's what they want, to run us down, and disenfranchise us, united we stand, devided we fall and all that.
One big scam by khan.....
It's not just him, it's the other Elitists that have his ear.
I find driving in an un farmiliar aera in london, you are watching out for cameras, signs etc.... more than eyes on the road
@@jamesart6568 If you can't drive at the limit, your little brain obviously can't handle the job. Hand in your license and take the bus.
@@johnn17golfAll you got is Ad Hominem
@@johnn17golflicence.
Done down Finchley road. 26 in a 20 at 3am. 3points 100 pound fine..wow big criminal.
How many bodies in the road, dead or maimed as a result of your transgression? None I suspect.
@@vizmortlock none mate..I'm a lorry driver it's so difficult to keep under 20 around inner London. You have bike riders passing on both sides now. Just pulling out on T junctions by the the time you've straightened up your over the limit.. don't like going down there now.
@@chrissmith8686 Another fine example of living in the real world but the law makers are only interested it seems in fantasy and woke
You and me both - I was doing 25 - fucking nonsense!
Over 400,000 people signed a petition against 20mph in wales and our first minister Drakeford totally ignored it. ?
UK gov said they're using Wales as a test before rolling the 20mph out to all of UK.
There is a petition against it, don't need to be Welsh to sign it. Would recommend we all do
In UK a petition to pull out of WHO was replied to, there will be no debate on this. Government have decided to so stay with WHO.
We do NOT need to be governed, they are AGAINST the people.
The whole country could sign it , it will be ignored @Weeem
Socialism in action. The ends always justifies the means. It's all for the greater good...
Good.
You have to vote the Elitists out. 20 mph on open city streets is against the people.
voting won't change ANYTHING. They are different cheeks of the same arsehole
If voting actually made a difference you wouldn't be allowed to do it, have you not noticed this yet?
These odious creatures are not elites but rather serious psychopaths ...
Mark Twain did ;)
It isn't against me, and I'm a person.
When the speed limit doesn't make sense, it truly doesn't make sense.
I suggest another law, pedestrians using their phones walking of the pavement without looking.
it's F all about safety
I watch that speedo more than the road slowing down for school zones!
...then you should probably hand in your license. Driving is clearly ore than your brain can cope with
@@johnn17golflicence. more.
This is what you get from having a mayor and giving councils more power.
How is being on the road for 30% longer safer ? How is polluting for 30% longer helping air quality ? How is being on the roads for 30% longer helping congestion ?
If you're on the road your not in a factory polluting
The goal is to make driving unattractive and to remove private car ownership.
@@Dr.Jellyfingers funny how people managed for thousands of years without them.
@@Dr.Jellyfingers yes it is, however then there will be no economy. Nothing will be open we can’t go back before the horse and cart.
@TheWeepingDalek so should we go back to the stone age?
Cash Cow Cash Cow all day long, It's not about being careful anymore, They have imposed layers of trip hazards.
Whats scary is, if I put forward a proposal for 10mph limits, they would actually sit up and listen...
Or even 5 mph.
When you understand that the 20mph speed limit and rejigging the Highway Code a few years ago to give priority to pedestrians and cyclists over motor vehicles (who actually pay to use the roads) is to dissuade you from using cars etc and that they want to bully you into your allotted 15min zones 🤔 see the matrix yet?
Sadly the vast majority are still asleep. They believe the government has their best interests at heart.
It’s actually more dangerous you spend more time looking at the Speedo then the rd outside
On all road but far more dangerous on motorways, on slow roads half or more of people do15 MPH causing major frustration and dangerous overtakes.
and potholes
We are effectively being told to drive at the same speed as cyclists. In the name of safety, really?
@@thedave7760 A dangerous overtake is caused by the person making the decision not to make a safe overtake.
@mattwardman and reports show that the slower the car is travelling the lower the drivers concentration drops. Yes SOME people make silly mistakes. But your mentality is punish everyone for a handful.. does that mean you'll happily be imprisoned for murder?? I mean let's punish everyone just incase
Our country is in self harm mode .
Ye it’s the idiots that are running this country.
I agree with 20mph zones around schools but these blanket 20mph zones are ridiculous, and trying to tell us it's 'greener' is even MORE ridiculous.
My daily driver can comfortably do 30mph in 5th gear at 1200rpm but when lowering the speed to 20mph I have to drop to 3rd because 4th gear doesn't have the torque to pull the car. At 20mph in 3rd my car is doing 1500rpm. At 30mph you can cover a mile in 2 minutes, at 20mph that same mile takes 3 minutes, which means for each mile my car is pumping out MORE exhaust gases for an extra minute.
Know your enemy : in London Seb Dance - Transport deputy mayor , £141K pa Ex EU - infamously anti brexit - cycle lobby (and married to Lord Livermore Advisor to Gordan Brown when diesels were being promoted by him as the best for environment! ) - this is the remit : ' As Deputy Mayor for Transport and Deputy Chair of Transport for London, Seb will focus on delivering the Mayor’s transport strategy, ensuring 80% of all journeys in London are on foot, by cycle or public transport by 2041.' This is what you get if you vote Labour in London, combined salary c£300K pa telling us what to do and making laws which impact the least well off
My 86 year old grandmother recently got a fine through the post for speeding in a 20mph zone in semi-rural north wales, being caught by a camera van. First mark she has had on her licence since April 1964 where she was charged £4 for speeding (she still has that ticket!).
😲😲😲
That's about £ 67.43 adjusted fo inflation! DAYUM ...
My nephew just failed his test for driving 20 in a 30.
@@patbuckley4039 it’s getting crazy. These lunatics introduced this nonsense need kicking out
I make that just over ninety nine pounds on my inflation calculator. I had a ticket in seventy three for going 35 in a thirty, fined ten pounds and licence endorsed.thats 157 pounds now. My only ticket to date fortunately.
The 20 zones need to go unless they are in an actual small residential street or right outside a school. Nowhere else, it's a ridiculous speed.
Nearby there is a 20mph limit all the way through our village which goes on for about a mile and half which used to be 30mph however when you reach a secondary school at the end of the village right by the school gate where there is a crossing the limit goes back to 30mph !! What's that about ?
School and shopping zones in Australia are 40 kph/25 mph; residential streets are 50 kph/31 mph.
The people making these rules need to go.
I live on a residential B road with a 60mph limit, it’s just madness out there. Parish council, resident petitions and guidelines from DFT have no effect on this crazy speed limit, but I wouldn’t welcome 20 limit either.
Remember the flashing >20mph< signs we used to get near a school when they were starting/ending? That made sense. A temporary restriction at a time where drivers needed to be more vigilant.
I can't think of the last time I saw one of those. Why does the same road need to be 20mph at 2am when noone's about?
If they truly wanted to make the roads safer then they should focus on driver training and awareness rather than lowering speed.
With 20mph limits I've seen a drastic increase in the number of impatient cars/vans running red lights and distracted drivers using mobile phones.
Both of which are a greater risk (esp phone use) to safety that the 30mph limit that's been around since the 1930s.
The argument for emissions is false too. My car gets almost half the mpg at 20mpmh compared to cruising at 40mph.
I honestly don't understand what their objective is, 'cos I can't think of any positive reasons for it.
I got my first speeding notice from the police (1st speeding offence in over 30 years), I was caught by a speed camera doing 24 (ridiculous). I opted to do a 'Driver Speed Awareness Course' instead of a fine and points on my license. There is a charge for the course which is almost the cost of the fine. The next day after the course I notice I hit 25/26. It's impossible to keep religiously under 20. I have nothing but contempt for all this nonsense, it is indeed a money making scam to load coffers full of cash. I think an EV being heavier than an equivalent ICE vehicle, both travelling at the same speed will cause more damage due to it's higher weight. So slowing those down makes sense as they are more likely to cause increased damage at any given space. Looks like Sadiq and Co also realised that it's another way to make money as well.
Yes, regardless of what some of the self righteous brown nosed nuff nuffs say it is incredibly difficult to maintain such a slow speed in a modern vehicle and I can't use cruise control in either my car or my van because in both vehicles it you can't engage it until you hit 30mph. Also what others are saying is right, in the attempt to drive at such a slow speed you spend most of your time looking at the Speedo instead of the road. It makes congestion much worse because the vehicles end up bunched together making it difficult to exit side roads and it definitely makes pollution worse because in order to drive that slow most vehicles have to be in a lower gear. There's a road I travel on regularly in rural Norfolk that was 40mph for about a mile as it went through a small village, by the time the limit reverted back to the national speed limit you were in open countryside, not a single building in sight. About 5 years ago that speed limit was extended for about another 1/4 mile for absolutely no reason whatsoever except it now passes a disused bus stop which has been adopted as a small layby, which by sheer coincidence is now where camera vans like to park!
If they want to make the roads safer they should try resurfacing them instead of reducing the speed limit. Dodging potholes by weaving all over the roads is far more hazardous than doing 30 mph. 🤬
100%. round here in most of these shite 20 zones the craters are so bad you are weaving about probably doing 15 mph max to avoid wrecking the car.
20mph zones spreading in Scotland just this past year. I was overtaken in a 20 limit, making ppl frustrated & LESS safe!
I visit Edinburgh annually and they made a lot of that 20mph limits in the last few years.
Noone does it tho. Even the buses and police ignore it.
All deliberately set at 20mph to catch out people who are driving carefully anyway. Being such a low speed limit staying at 20mph is very difficult as you feel like you’re not getting anywhere. Easy money for these thieving gits controlling the London councils. This will eventually ruin peoples vehicles as you’ll be permanently traveling at low speed and increases vehicle emissions pollution as there are a lot more traffic jams due to low speed limits, LTNs, cycling lanes and no entry roads.etc. Complete con.
I can absolutely understand a 20mph limit on side/residential streets, but on roads that are designed and built to get people to where they want to be in a reasonable time is beyond stupid.
But you don't need a lower speed limit to drive slower, anyone driving in congested built up areas should drive to the conditions and slow down anyway.
I live in a very rural area and so the open road without observation or camera's is a city dwellers dream for driving! Quite often I can be the only person on the road for miles which is great for relaxing drives. When the 20MPH started to become a blanket coverage I thought that I would try reducing my speed just to see what it felt like for about a mile. It was the worst and most boring going backwards experience ever. I began to feel tired and my concentration started to wander because I knew that the stretch of road was an easy drive and it took Sooooo long and was not much better than walking! Obviously sensible speeds should kick in when appropriate and self imposed for safety reasons but Khan is on a money gathering scam when it comes to motorists and other vehicles and he knows it. I bet his armoured car's plate is exempt from triggering fines at any speed!!! 🙄
One advantage when driving at 20 mph you get to see more countryside especially walking home after ending up in a ditch through boredom.
And there we have it. The real reason for 20 mph zones. Everything is always about money or control
There is only one reason and that is to bring in revenue easy money for them.
Makes me glad I stopped living in Greater London in 2023. Unfortunately even though Sadiq Khan will get less than 50% of the vote, the rest of the vote will be split so you are stuck with him. Still you might as well try.
I live in Harrow on the Hill so not far from you. I can totally agree with you! Try driving down the Finchley Road - full of cameras and 20 mph is absolutely ludicrous, as is the Greenford Road. At least the Kenton Road is still 30mph for now...
As you say Sadiq Khan uses this as a revenue earner, as do most local Council's. Brent in particular with their yellow box camera's are absolutely hammering the motorist! I have been caught on East Lane in Wembley and in your neck of the woods on Kingsbury Road!
Oh damn - I have to be more careful with the yellow boxes! 😲
I'm almost certainly looking at doing something with my plates at some point!
I recently tried to go by train from north Wales to Blackpool. The trip should have been easy and pleasant. They managed to make it a f.. ing nightmare trip. Nah, not doing it again.
Coming to all cities soon, no doubt…..
whole country if Labour get in.
It becomes more absurd, when you consider the people who failed their driving test for "not making progress" for not going faster than the now maximum speed of 20mph!😂😢
Looking forward to the new experiment! 9 hrs, crazy! So many 20MPH roads now that shouldn’t be, thankfully not many in Bromley and the ones that are tend to make sense. Fed of up shifting between 2nd & 3rd gear driving through Sydenham & Croydon in 20mph zones that really need not be. Our driver at work was caught doing 23mph three times last year, cab driver of 30+ years too, he’s close to giving up work altogether.
Residential speed limit in Australia is generally 50 kph, with congested shopping areas 40 kph; a few inner city Melbourne suburbs have just introduced 30 kph speed limits, which will likely spread in time; many people have stopped driving to those areas to shop, which damages business but the car hating councils don't care.
In France it's similar, 50 kph in towns with more and more 30 kph areas.
Do you use Kilometres in Australia then. I didn't know that
@@davidadams5116 Australia went to decimal currency in the 60's and metric in the 70's.
All about the money ££££
It's all about getting you out of your car
There are also additional insurance costs following a speeding fine and points on licence.We will soon reach a point where everybody will have been fined. According to nat stast office , 20 mph limits has had no effect on road casualties. We all know this has 2 aims, first to raise money and second to force ppl to give up their cars.I am sick of being dictated to, by ppl in authority who dont know what the hell they are talking about.
The 20 mph is a cash cow and another weapon against the motorists. All the talk of easing congestion and emission is a lie.
10mph speed limits are next.They laughed at people 5 years ago who predicted 20mph limits.A conspiracy theory you know.They were laughed at and mocked.Well mock me then.
It's very unfair for people who drive for a living, lorry drivers, couriers and tradesmen, it's not if you get caught but how many times are you going to get caught, no office job has this amount of stress and controlling behaviour.
As a hgv driver I find the road network a nightmare with speed limits going from 30 to 20 to 30 or 40,its very erratic.if you go across barnes common which is very quiet its 20 mph but when go up roehampton lane where you have a primary school and a college its 30 mph.makes no sense
Confusion is what they want, points raising your insurance premium & fines going to the authorities, they don’t like to see disposable income sitting idly in your bank account if you have the audacity to get off your arse & do a days/nights work.
I can't believe no one has added the meme of Captain Kirk shouting KHAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean it would sum up how we all feel. I struggle to even do 30mph. 20 is mental. Might as well go back to horse and cart
BCG is wearing a Star Trek symbol leather jacket too 😉 Kkhhhaaaaaaaaaaannn!
@@chrisellis1232 OMG I didn't even notice. Can't believe as a Trekie he missed the oportunity to add that clip
I live in Carshalton Surrey, you were mentioning congestion, to that end there is a roundabout at Rose Hill, it has 6 roads converging on to it, in 1970 when I moved into the area it was quite a free flowing area however they decided to install traffic lights on the roundabout and from then on it became congested, admittedly in 1970 the traffic was lighter with les cars on the road but it is now a nightmare getting through that area. However about three weeks ago I had to through there at rush hour time and was dreading it, but when I approached it I was surprised to notice there was hardly any traffic, only then did I realize that the traffic lights were out so everybody was using it as you would with a normal roundabout and so it was virtually empty. This tells me that the traffic lights on this are a means of coursing congestion so they can say, " see how bad the traffic is and how much pollution they are generating " well they will if they are all stuck in a traffic jam !
I can’t remember where, but there was an experiment in some European city, some years ago where they removed road signs, traffic lights, everything. Accidents and injuries fell significantly and traffic flow improved
Congestion is created by policy of the councils. Adding lights where they are not needed (as in your example), closing off all side roads, LTN's, narrowing lanes / widening pavemnts, 24hr bus lanes, cycle lanes, pinch points where only one car can pass and the oncoming traffic has to give way, need I go on? Take just half of all these things away and watch how congestion simply disappears.
does it make sense if you work in a factory and you do night shift?
Just another “stealth” tax on the British motorist!
I guess that London needs money really, really badly. - Marc Smith, USA.
It's working then , they are raking in the money.
lightly bounces off the bonnet. Love it. Another interesting video. Thanks for your efforts.
😂😂😂 you know what I meant! 😜
I can calmly cycle at 27mph for miles. I now drive most places and it does get annoying in a 20mph zone and cyclists go past me.
Vote Khan you know you have to. Life isn't worth living without continuous stress and harassment from faceless bureaucrats.
They're F-ing us. This has to be the year we say NO.
They will bring back the guy that has to walks in front of the car with a red flag.😂😂😂
It's another way Sad Git Khant makes money from the motorist. It's not about safety, it's about money.
We ll know you are right but what can we do
There is a TFL press release from last year which can be found on their site which states the 20 MPH limit in London is being expanded with a target of 1 million speeding fines per year.
I am going through an FOI , and got a speeding ticket for 6mph over 30 mph and been told by the Traffic Penalty Tribunal that it is a Civil offence and not a criminal offence so i referred it back to the Met who sent me to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal and have yet to have a reply back. PAY NO FINES AND DO NOT COMPLY.
I have electric bicycles that go faster than 20mph. As for going 20mph in my car, I would have to ride the brake and leave my manual transmission in 2nd gear in order to maintain that speed.
Aye and what would do to emissions even to the cleanest of vehicles.....chant would just say the extra income will b for replacing ULEZ cameras due to the fantastic blade runners.
I do the same I have to keep it in 2nd gear and through a long 20mph limit my truck goes into regeneration after a while because of the engine being at higher revs so what would normally get blasted out when you get out of a built up area (which is wrong cus all it does is move the pollution further out) gets blasted out in the town or city And if I leave it in automatic I keep getting dpf filter issues which costs alot to put right so the cheapest solution drive in manual, cars are not designed to go so slow for so long especially with all the pollution control crap on them
@@stum8374 I will say this, running my car 20mph in 2nd gear burns more fuel than driving 35mph and in 4th gear. These types of camera enforced speed zones are about collecting money, not safety or the environment.
If it goes 20mph under electric assist, it's a moped not an electric bicycle, unless grandfathered in from pre-2014. And you need the full moped insurance etc package for use on public highways.
In a 20 zone I just set my cruise control to 31-32kph and it is fine; it's a 6 year old car.
@@mattwardman I am in the USA, different rules and my car doesn't have cruise control.
Just shocking.... Have you heard about the GSR2? General safety regulations mark 2. Look it up
GOING AROUND AT 20 MPH IS WORSE FOR THE ENVIOURMENT .THE CAT IS NOT WORKING .
Meow..! 😸
what they dont say is that the fines come with 3 points MINIMUM!!! End up getting banned for minor speed infractions of a few % just because the government wants more money
I think the reason for 20 MPH limits is to make ICE vehicles less efficient and more expensive ( and more polluting) to discourage them and the fact that many cars speed control either don't work or are unreliable at 20 MPH, ( typically below 40 KPH). So speed monitoring or control equipment may not record speeding detected by speed cameras, also their could be that changes to speed limits may not updated on the National Data base when they are introduced.
Its about money and disuading people from driving. Its not about safety.
Its worse when the speed limits change on the roads you frequently drive on. For example in Streatham road - South London!😢
I have seen he police car doing around 70 MPH in a 20 zone. 3.5 X the limit with blue lights. Does this sound safe ????
When money is the issue, creating traps for drivers will be enforced.
When I learnt to drive
I was told 30 mph was the maximum speed limit
But the actual speed limit was the safe speed limit
So coming up to a mini roundabout you slow down
Coming up to side road in certain areas you watch out for car in side roads and prepared to slow down and stop just in case the person in the side road did not see you
The same with school the Same with park areas the same with town centres
Kid playing.
We did not need to be told what to do and you never had to be worried
Now with these 20 mph zones you spending most of your time trying to stay at 20 mph and keep looking at your speedometer so you don't get a fine.
I think 20 mph are more dangerous than 30mph.
To take away people right to think
And to scare people well that dangerous
This attack on drivers should be outlawed. I do a small stretch of 20 mph with a junction to pull out of safely. Going along I have to watch the speedo a lot to keep the speed right. How many accidents has this stupidity caused? Cars with cruise control don't offer a 20 option which is what people need to protect them from this tyranny.
My next door neighbour got caught doing 33 mph in a thirty by one of those vans and had to go on a speed awareness course an hours drive away. He is a very careful driver as well .
Po-lice looking to the next pay package. Richest men in hell.
I completely agree with you that 20 mph speed fines are all about raising revenue not for safety.
20mph is the preferred speed for manually driven cars in a system where there are a lot of autonomous vehicles. Above 20mph and autonomous vehicles can struggle in street scenarios.
There are enough companies who want to run autonomous 'taxi like' services, which are highly profitable due to a lack of driver, wanting to get us to use their 'eco friendly' options
I've seen so many people walking out into the road looking at there phones more now the 20mph limit has been introduced in Wales in which I am from
Come on people of Britain ,stand together and f@#k this 20 mph off . Its nothing to do with safety it a tax .Also its about getting rid of cars .
If everyone said NO, this would have to stop.
i just got 3 points for going 59 in a 50 mph temprary speed limit 'for air quality' on the motorway. Didn't even see the sign until I got flashed. Fucking scam. Literally it was less than 1 mile and it was night zero cars on the road
If you didn’t see the sign then you committed another (more serious) offence of driving without due care and attention. Take it on the chin, the road being clear etc is irrelevant.
BROWN CAR GUY ... YOU ARE A GODSEND!! As an advanced driver and former instructor with over 50 yrs experience both in the UK and the US, I have just watched the most comprehensive summary of the driving environment in Britain today. You have hit so many nails on the head that you seriously deserve a CBE for services to British motorists. I've wanted to make a video myself along the same lines for a while but you have done it for me! Thanx so much. You've made me feel so grateful that I don't (and never will) live near London. But unfortunately here in Wales we have to live with the same ludicrous nonsense since the start of the 'default' 20mph limit back last September. We had our own version of Sadiq Khan, in the form of Mark Drakeford .. a dismal patronising woke nerd (now stepped down) and his cronies who all think they are experts on driving and roadcraft. So sad to think the golden age of motoring is now long gone ... RIP
It's ridiculous! Walking and cycling should be an exercise, not a commuting standard! In an awful weather country as the UK, it's absurd!
And yet cities were built before cars and people somehow did'nt melt away in rain. Very peculiar indeed.
Sadiq khan and TFL are wankers. I have been driving for 34 years without incident and no points. For the first time in the last 6 months I have been hit with 3 points going 28 in a 20 mph zone in a road that has been 30 mph for over 30 years.
Vote Khan out.
They have gone up everywhere in Watford but without cameras at the moment.
Thank you for highlighting this Brown Car Guy.
Love watching your content and reporting what’s happening many thanks and keep up the good work mr brown car guy 😊
Much appreciated
When I took my HGV I was told that a 44ton truck traveling @ just 5mph will if it hits a stationary object will weigh 60ton on impact ! So 20mph will make no difference what so ever as regards a heavy vehicle ! What would make a difference would be exactly what you said an initiative like the green cross code for kids . Cycling proficiency test at school age . A more robust enforcement of traffic laws on the cyclist that deliberately flaunt the traffic laws No lights jumping red lights etc . All this includes the cyclist that ride for a living . I have emailed a certain well known delivery company about one of there employees riding. This guy rode down the pavement of a one way street the wrong way no lights and when straight off the pavement in front of my 26ton artic ! I was told they train all their riders ? I have to periodically sit a CPC as all HGV drivers do covering various subjects such as vulnerable road users . Are training is on going. We have also had a session with the metropolitan police commercial vehicle unit . There are areas where these speed limits are applicable but many areas such as some you mentioned are questionable at the very least.
By making all vehicles go slower in Urban areas you are Knowing Increasing the amount of Pollution in those areas. Cars travelling slower and less Efficiently.
Speeding points push up car insurance cost. High car insurance cost help price people out of running a car. Simples.
You know this is a real issue, when a Starfleet officer is making such review video.
🤣🤣🤣🖖🏽
London is one big massive car park as it is, in all that traffic going nowhere.. target the drivers is easier than sorting the infrastructure is really wrong.
20mph speed limit enforcement is all about extorting money from ordinary people! Great for local authority’s coffers, great for insurance company’s coffers, great for enforcement camera company’s coffers! Those who assert that it’s all about safety, how many people were killed in your neighbourhood by cars travelling in the former 30mph zones? Sure 20mph limits reduce the likelihood of accidents, but by how much? Give us the data!
What reduces accidents is everyone taking care of and responsibility for their own safety. A responsible motorist will adjust their speed to the risks that present, so will often drive a lot slower than the speed limit. Equally, a responsible pedestrian, or any other vulnerable road user has a duty to look after their own safety. Common sense!
Laws that automatically apportion blame for RTAs due to a hierarchy of vulnerability are about as moronic as they come!! What idiot foisted that upon us??
Ive had two fines in the last two years (my wife got one of them) 22mph and 23mph, as a result we dont drive into that area anymore we drive 5 minutes further in the other direction and take our business elsewhere. Kahn is an idiot and is hurting not just drivers but anyone who does business and depends on passing trade. these financial and economic idiots will turn the whole city into an economic ghetto at this rate. The roads around my house are completely devoid of parked cars on a weekday from 8.30am until 7pm because the council took out the parking meters while at the same time as charging more for parking which made it really difficult to get tickets as the service doesn't work all the time, when the revenue dropped significantly they extended the hours and put the price up more, genius, pure genius...
I have been riding motorbikes for 50 years and driving for 39 years and own a car and 3 motorbikes, I am proud to say that I have never had a speeding ticket. Living in Wales now means its only a matter of time before I become a speeding statistic. Then it will probably be for doing 25 in a 20 zone.
Speeding is not 'normal'
If you don't want to pay fines for speeding, just don't speed. Only a conservative could find that hard to fathom!
You probably think taxes are theft too! smh
20mph anywhere is bloody ridiculous unless it's outside a school.
Even then it's stupid. When I was at school in the 60's we were taught how to cross the road safely.
Yeah, the Green Cross code i remember the adverts lol
I have a small automatic 1200cc and when I go through 20 mile an hour zones I an forever just hitting the brakes, in drive it wants to do more than 20 mile an hour particularly downhill.
I’m waiting at the moment for a speeding fine, where I didn’t see the 20 mile an hour sign due to weather being so bad. We’re just being penalised as motorist.
How ridiculous is it that we have a dysfunctional London Mayor who puts the priority of fining a motorist doing 24mph in a 20 limit way above that of the endless young lives being lost on his streets to knife crime. Absolutely disgraceful!!
I'd really like to see the statistics showing how much these 20mph zones have contributed to reduced road injuries!
Where they're good, I'll back them all the way. But where there were NO PREVIOUS ISSUES surely they MUST be scrapped!!! 🤨
Won't need to do over 20mph when we are all in our nice 15 minute towns. All by design
I do my best to stick to it. But it frustrates other drivers to the point I'm sure one day I will get attacked by a road rage nut job😅
It’s all about money 💰 not safety