saw a dude in my iron ranked game who claimed to be banned on his immo3/radiant main and went 33/3 on my team before throwing 6 rounds and ending it with a literal ares I checked his tracker and it said he had an average KD of 1.8 which was kind of suspicious so I clicked further and he was getting in lobbies with odd ranks in what seemed to be comp…
Dude as someone high up in the valorant ranks I know multiple people who do this and I just don’t know how they enjoy this I’ve brought it up to them saying how they aren’t even real radiants and they are boosted asf for it but when they solo queue they still get in ascendant lobbies cause that’s where their hidden elo is
Its a boosting service for sure. I would disable stacking in asc and above with players then ur rank. Also great job Ghoul on covering this important topic.
they dont want to do that tho cuz then people would smurf even more half the reason ppl smurf is to play with friends and 5 stacks have no rank cap is riots solution to let people play with there friends still They should just make rr gain like 75% less if your playing immo with silver
As the saying goes “who plays on their mains these days bro”! 90% of the matches I play are smurfs. Silver 1 or bronze getting 35 kills + vs diamond 3’s and plats. I didn’t believe it till I made a new account and seen I was smashing diamonds with a silver 1 account! If you aint smurfing you are not playing Valorant and you won’t have fun because 9-10 you will team up with a smurf or face one which is so boring and no competitive meaning to the whole thing Smurf smurf smurf! Make a smurf today and play Valorant the way it was designed to be played by Riot Games When people ask my rank I say “Im somewhere between iron 3 and immortal”. No cap 🧢
I Love Ghoul how you actually point out this creepy stuff in valorant, for riot is very simple, I would suggest to make it 2 rank system, 1 is for solo rank, and another is team rank(5 stacks) or whatever. fairly the previous game I played had 2 ranked system so this would be the best way to do it.
well as I also meet lot of ASCD player that like newbie in my team which is freaking make me lost my mind while trying to improve myself in ASCD - Immortal lobby
That could be a solution but also I think it could help would be a restriction of ranks. If your stack team has a bronze the max rank on your team can only be silver 3, and so on
Hello ghoul, In many ways, you have helped me throughout my life. Your videos are so energetic and chaotic. Although I know this topic has nothing to do with the video, I just wanted to let you know about it. Keep doing what you do, bro.
I'm honestly really happy to hear this brother, glad i could've helped in some way, thank you for making my day with this comment, stay strong, luv u 🖤
Hi Ghoul I hope you will notice my comment: first of all I think this video is really interesting and you are probably the first one I see making Valorant videos on this topic. Valorant ranks are becoming more and more of an issue, especially at High Elo and at least from what I've noticed there has been this increase since they added the Ascendant rank, I really think things have gotten worse. I see High Elo players looking like they're just starting out (currently I'm swinging between asc 3 and Immortal 1). Players who have absolutely no idea how to play. As for the boost, I understood that it's really easy to be boosted and, unfortunately, a close friend of mine who was also my duo paid a lot for a booster: it already seemed strange to me that this friend of mine passed in one night from asc 1 to Immortal 1, but when I saw his career and I saw all the mvp and the same premades in every match I understood everything, also because it seemed strange to me that this friend of mine who is average, not a phenomenon, did all mvp (the next day we spoke on discord and he admitted of his own free will that he paid for a booster even at a very expensive price). At this point I asked myself: Why do people get boosted? Am I the only one who thinks it's sad that you pay people to get to higher ranks without even any credit from you? Without seeing your improvements? Don't you feel sad to see that when you only queue Immortal it's already a miracle if you get 10 kills? It's literally Smurf, but in reverse. It is the bane of Valorant. It's really hateful to see people who even play less than me (I've been playing from the beta to Iron 1 and now I'm at a good finish) who get to Immortal as if nothing had happened, because let's face it, it's impossible to get to Immortal in such a short time (there will probably be some exceptions, but I don't think anyone can do it)
I agree. I've been playing in Ascendant most of the time and it's really obvious that the skill disparity is huge. Mostly two or three people are actually good and the rest is mid at best. There is always one guy that has 30 kills and rest of the team max 15. I actually thought they added Ascendant to make that better but it's gotten worse
People get boosted mainly because of clout if I had to guess. They probably have friends IRL who they go to and brag about "I hit Immortal 2 from Gold" even though they were just boosted there.
this issue appeared two acts ago, when a noname reached rad#1 in APAC region, after the act started. he played with 4 bronze players, getting plats and diamonds in enemies. He posted a screenshot with him reaching top rad, and got his account in Valorant banned. and riot doesn't see the problem since then
I’m an ascendant 3 player, and I had multiple friends who were gold players. Within one act I see that all of them instantly became diamond, and at first I was really proud of them until I played with them (p.s. I used to play a lot of unrated games with them, but then kind of stopped playing with them for awhile) and oh my god. I don’t mean to be an asshole but they did not even improve ONE BIT. Their aim still was an equivalent of a gold player, and their game sense didn’t improve either. Then when I checked their careers for their comp, I saw that they were queing 5 stack with an immortal player to get BOOSTED. Like bruh. Its so bad. And its not only them I run into so many people in my comp game these days, and they do NOT DESERVE the rank they have. Its terrible. I see even ascendant players never aiming headshot level, terrible reaction time, no good game sense, and when I check their stats, ofc, its horrid.
I once was in a discord server where stuff like this was organised... and it is exactly how u explained it. 1 or 2 guys hop on their main acc while the others go on a low rank smurf and then they just queue until they hit radiant and then the other accounts would get played to radiant.. Eventually the server got leaked and closed tho.
Nice video, riot needs to change this faster, 5 stack boosting is so unfair for people who grind so hard everyday idk why they haven't fix this yet still
Rank is shit since ass cendant. Plus performing well getting 8 first blood as a fade with 30 8 score i get plus 16 while my duo at 12 17 get plus 16 as well lol
I do not know how it is now, but back in the days, when I was still playing R6 Siege there were full communities of boosters - people who would be diamonds and plats but were de-ranking their accounts to bottom coppers to boost others to diamonds, while destroying weaker teams, and it worked like a charm for them.
That explains so much. I play around once a week 5 stacking with my friends at around bronze to gold level, and we sometimes get matched with 2 radiant players and get annilated in ranked. Never really understood it until now.
diamond lobbies struggle with this too sm, so many smurf’s, and when u buy an acc the game places u in plat/diamond. if u queue early in the morning you find the worst drones on earth like kids throwing on purpose, so many other issues too but they’re not similar to the topic of the video
I'm about 300rr right now at my peak and I've never been less motivated to play. Knowing at any time I could gather 4 friends and get radiant within the day. Not only get radiant but their MMR raises too which is crazy considering they're playing A.I ranks. I've seen a number of accounts with 5 stack winrates of 85%+ and it's crazy how this has been allowed for this long! many reports filed none of the accounts i keep track of banned it ruins the one thing that gives this game value, rank
Honestly, after having a look i think that the best solution to this is applying the same rules as to when it comes to duo queues. Disabling 5 stack would be a bit rough, where as applying the rank disparity just like it is in a duo queue or 3 stack, would be perfect fix for it. Another thing, i don’t think all of these people are coaches, some people boost accounts to sell them, i’ve seen someone complaining about this on Reddit, usually the tags end with TR… etc. A coaching session could be a coaching session, not a 20 or 30+ games "boosting sessions".
Tbh just disabling the 5 stack for ascendant+ with the lower rank than ascendant cant 5 stack which is good, and apply the same rules as radiant with immortals would solve this issue.
I thought I was insane, god. I started playing Valorant roughly 2ish months ago. Coming from the apex ranked system, being unable to match with anyone diamond or below due to masters restriction, seeing the way ques and matchmaking works when partied is absolutely insane. I was gold when it happened, matched against an ascendant and diamond team, with some golds, an iron, and a bronze. I’m all for a challenge, hell, the game was extremely close. But I will say it’s a bit disheartening when a game is that close, and I still lose the normal amount of Rr despite the skill disparity. Not to mention that it feels like half the time you que against an iron in one of those teams they are most certainly not a real iron lol. The one thing I genuinly hate in a competitive fps is the feeling of helplessness. Skill wise, gamesense wise, that’s all in my control. But matchmaking, queing against teams like that, how and why is this a thing. Little rant, probably sound like I’m whining, but I’m really glad you’re bringing this up
First of all that is a great video, thanks for your work and effort you put into this. I think overall one of the biggest problems of Valorant is that one with smurfing and boosting, both are destroying the game experience. Something need to happen, better sooner than later, to some point i like you idea of banning 5-stack in ranked, but i think you should create two ranked queues one for 5 stacks, a little bit more competitive and one for solos or duos, maybe even trios. As some guys mentioned, the difference in skill in one rank can be huge and the difference between different ranks is some times really small, so you are less motivated to uprank and play. That might be a reason for the people who get's boosted, they want to get fame and see progress
Same kind of stuff is also happening in other games, like league. I think it is really hard to fix it, but the solution with the reduced RR makes sense to me.
My girlfriend is iron 2 now and she met immortal 3 and radiant players in her lobby multiple times in the last 2 weeks. After the match, these players send friend request to the whole party and start inviting the iron players into their party. The party looks like one immortal 3 player with 4 iron players. It is insane.
I swear it’s harder to play in gold than diamond. Most of my friends says the exact same thing. Smurfing is the biggest problem in valorant and the 5 stack needs a big balancing as well.
i was doing a similar thing in csgo years ago, boosting accounts to GE with buddies and selling the accounts for big $. I could see the same thing happening here, with radiant having limited space there is large demand for these accounts, and without many restrictions regarding the distribution of accounts they can be sold privately. I would do this if I was good at valorant 😐
its not just high ranks playing with low ranks to boost themselves higher for easier games, its also high ranks hopping on an alt and queuing with low ranks to boost them higher. I dont mind boosted ppl, but, I hate people who are boosted but then brag or flex about being a high rank to their friends, because they do not deserve it in any way, shape, or form.
This has definitely been going on for quite some time, and it’s good that you’re bringing more attention to this issue. Although, I don’t believe you’re the “first” to talk about it like a lot of people seem to be saying here in the comments. Regardless, Riot really needs to crack down on these boosters, and find a good fix for this issue. I’m partial to preventing high elo players (Ascendant and up) from five stacking with anyone between Iron and Plat.
A lot of "regular" people (People without a platform) have reported this crap many many times. But since we don't have a platform, Riot does not give a damn. Hopefully since a RUclipsr made a video about it, they'll finally acknowledge the issue and fix it.
Yes absolutely!! When the new act starts the starting 2-3 weeks is the only time you queue with players of your level after that everyone is smurfing. I have experienced it myself as I was stuck in nearly every rank till Plat caz at that time I figured this out and pushed in start to avoid smurfing mfs. Do like if you agree!!
This has been a huge issue for a long time. It has came to a point where I can't even 5 stack with my friends casually from time to time anymore. Every time we try to que we go against three people that are around our rank and two immortals boosting their rr. Just a automatic loss if you five stack now. Riot needs to address this and make it where you can't five stack past immortal. or make a five stack rank distribution so you can't just que with anyone.
Happened to me.. I 5 stacked with my silver and bronze buddies one morning and there was an ascendant and a plat in the other team... Although they surrendered after loosing 5-0 😅
easiest way to fix this is put in a hard mmr difference restriction, no matter the stack size, ie. MAX 1 rank difference no matter what (with the exception of immortal and radiant), so a silver 1 can play with a gold 1, as long as their is a silver 1 in the lobby the maximum difference for the entire lobby can only be 1 rank, so you couldnt have a s1 playing with a p1 because they queued with a g1.
Holy this just happened in ascendant immo lobby yesterday, our yoru is just supeeer lost As in not knowing how to shoot, runs into enemies, not using abilities and no mics Albeit a close game (11-13, Yoru had 0 kills and 0 assists) so sad we could've won it Anyways Ghoul, your video brought my spirits back up after receiving news of failing college... I played that said game yesterday after the news deliverance and happened to be TWICE (I'm Like TT) to be more stressful up to the verge to crying (which was taking a toll on my mental) That said, a new day new mentality, I've coped up with my fate of having to redo the said unit for another extra year and wish you and the audiences' good luck on life Sincerely, Touch Grass Please (Any EU food recommendations)
This has been known about for quite some time and the first time i heard about it was last act, basically it’s 1 of 2 things. 1 is just people boosting which is pretty obvious, but the second is that people do this then sell the radiant accounts for a high price, usually it takes a while to sell an account worth that much so u end up with people not playing for a few weeks to months before someone buys it and drops elo extremely fast (like the brim)
Bro I have been waiting for someone to research and talk about this, I've seen a lot of accounts this ACT being boosted, the Matchmaking in valorant is already broken and 5 Stack is the worst. Riot should keep it simple like before, 5 Stack only ur above and below ranks ( like gold 1 to plat 1, diamond 1 to ascendant 1) because of this the ranking fun is completely lost, the meaning of competitive play is gone and the game dies eventually. This is a serious issue for VALORANT honestly.
7:52 You're absolutely right. This goes for all sorts of queues (excluding Unrateds of course). Solos, Duos, Trios and 5-stacks should not be allowed to be matched with anyone 2 or more leagues from them (i.e. no one in a 5v5 comp game in immortal should be matching with diamonds or lower).
my friend was once into valorant hacking. he used like esp and stuff in unrated but one time he bought a radiant account off of a discord server for $19.99 to cheat in comp. i think the most likely situation here is boosting accounts to sell them. The valorant hacking community is a lot bigger than you think, and vanguard isn’t as good as you think it is.
the way they get most accounts is by stealing them. if you have a inactive valorant account there is a chance it could be stolen so beware of that especially if you have skins on it. thats also why some are gold and bronze in previous acts.
The way to fix this is actually way more simple than it seems. All they have to do is make it to where in 5 stacks, it acts as if the highest rank is solo queue (as far as matching the MMR of the game). This way, if an immortal 1 queues with 4 bronzes, it doesnt end up being gold lobbies, it ends up still being immortal 1 lobbies. Make the queue times ages immortal+ 5 stacks, because they shouldnt exist as well. This also allows people who enjoy playing 5 stacks, unaffected themsleves. It also helps them not have to worry about going against these type of stacks, even if they continue to try it.
Great video, I find flex queue in league to work good. It another queue completely, with less rules. You can play any number of players except 4, so solo, duo, truo? and 5stack. The goal is the same ranks, but the leaderboards are different from solo/duo queue
Bro i hope riot do sumthing about this.These players are literal menace for others trying to grind their way to higher elos.tnx for exposing this issue Ghoul 👊
System with linking numbers to your account, 2 - step verification and lastly minor fixes with RR penalty with stacking. I guess with this options it will way harder to boost someone or smurf. But its not gonna be gone , it will be just way harder.
Highest I've been is ascendant 1 and even I've seen people that seem lost and just have no clue at all what there agent does. I think this system has left boosted players all over the place.
finally someone talked about it, thank you bro ♥ honestly I think they should let 5 stack on same rank only, that way even the matchmaking would be more fair
I’m gold 2 and I’m the highest rank in my friend group. They are bronze-gold 1. We 5 stack comp. I think the way that would work is it should be higher rank players trying to que with anyone below asc shouldn’t be allowed. Even in 5 stacks. Don’t punish people who are actually trying to enjoy the game. Punish the people who are abusing the system to get a rank they don’t deserve.
Isn’t the point of this that the lower ranked people are generally speaking much better than their rank indicates. That is how they rank so fast since they don’t take the hit on rr reduction for losses, while still being good.
No you are 100 percent correct. It is ridiculous the amount of boosted players there are. My problem is once they hit a rank and the boys aren't around they throw games not meaning to throw but throw. It ruins the experience for the players like myself who put countless hours of practice to get where we are just to lose rr because I silver, plat thought they should be higher than they should
Personally I love the 5 stack games because I play with my friends. The thing is my friends are actually Plat, Silver (which is my rank Silver 3) or Gold. I have some know people in my account who is Inmortal or Ascendant but i never play with them, only in unranked or custom games. That people are not coaches, because like you said, they can spectate the game on Discord or something like that. That has to be guys boosting other guys, maybe not every case, but most of it. Good video
thats a banger video and i hope one of riot devs will notices it i honestly I was asc 3 close to immo then suddenly i started losing till i got back to D3 then stopped playing such a huge lose streak and i hope they will fix this matchmaking system ASAP so i can go back and enjoy the game once again in the next EP and imo i think they just get radiant or immo and then they sell acc
Surprised it took this long for people to find out about this. This has been an on-going issue for a long time that I've reported to Riot many, many, many times, and they always ignore it. Also, the reason why they don't play anymore after reaching their desired ranks is these are most likely accounts for sale. There's a huge black market for highly ranked Valorant accounts for some reason, people make a killing off it.
The other day I was playing a normal comp game (, gold, plat) and there is a random immortal 2 peak on my team, who got placed in s3 this act. He didn't even drop more than 20 kills. The state of valorant as it is is so bad with the crypto throwing, boosting, and cheaters.
i played 5 stack lobbys with 4 ascendant 3 and 1 immortal one, we promoted to immortal, but we were playing at dawn and we matched three time with the same guys, and has 3 golds and 2 immortal 3, and we beat them three time, they are abusing the matchmaking problem with 5 stack, i checked his profile and is only wins, this is awkward. srry if my english is bad, im from Brazil! nice video!
it happened in ascendant - radiant problem dude, so stressful met this kind of poeples tbh i dont care while the boosting game happened, the smurf sometimes got destroyed tho THE PROBLEM IS THE BOOSTED / ACCOUNT BUYER PLAY SOLO AND WE GOT THEM IN OUR TEAM JUST LIKE THE CLIP :(( ITS SO FK IT HAPPENED TO ME SO MANY TIMES IN HIGH ASC-IMO ELO
This happens in league of legends aswell. I had someone on my friendslist get grandmasters in league Flex queue because he would stack with lower rated players constantly. Guy was barely D4 in Solo queue
rank system really is bugged - me and my friends are all immortal and we like to 5 stack but everytime we 5 stack our enemies are ascendant and only hardly 1-2 immortal it gets soo boring like we want to play gainst radiants and stuff but no ascendants is the best we get
I think this is a giant problem. Im gold 1 - 2 and i qued with silvers (at the time i was silver) we were all the same level and just qued together. But we lost completly and looked the match up on tracker, the enemy team were 2 bronze, 1 gold , 1 silver, 1, at the top 1 ascendant 3. I feel like even really low ranks suffer on this since 5 stack for us is just unfair and impossible. After that i never tried 5 stack again.
They should make the 5stack mmr reduction vary for each player. e.g. if one team has 2 golds, 1 bronze and 1 immo and the other one has all plat3-dia1 then there should be more rr reduction for the immo player (like 80% or something) because he is playing against diamonds and plats. But the bronze and golds should have a really low mmr reduction cause theyre playing against high mmr players.
Thats a really Big Problem in aszendent, in the Last time. Since i Hit Aszendent i had only Two types of games. Type 1: we Roll Over the enemies and get a fast win or Type 2: we get totaly smurfed by low Rank players
In my opinion, just make the 90% rr reduction permanent for 5stack. Teamplay is just too much of an advantage, there will never be a balanced 5stack environment so rank shouldn't be affected in the first place. At least not the soloQ rank, make a separate rank if necessary. If you want to play with friends, you shouldn't bother about this. Having fun with friends should mean more than a stupid triangle.
My friends and I quit 5 stack and to be honestly quit valorant in general because of this. Before this issue became a thing, we would play 3-5 games a night and had a great time but ever since this exploit became a thing, people have been smurfing + cheating in our games. We caught 4 cheaters last week and all got flagged. (we are low immo)
HI Ghoul. I want to ty for always having nice videos. The rank system is pretty unbalanced in my opnion as well. SO recently i created a new account because i was hardstuck on the other acc and... even tho i played real good even against plat i still got gold 1. Its Really good that you pointed out this problem because i think we all sometimes get smurfs in our lobbies and it ruins our day. Ty again for you amaizng video
hope they fix it in new act and i want to point out something that if they are boosting with 5 stack its not coaching , coaching is teaching the game to someone boosting and coaching are two different things
I honestly think the solution would be a stack queue where you only get put against other stacks and a solo/duo queue with a restriction on how far apart your rank can be
They already tried implementing that system lol, iirc they are trying to make it so if u 5 stack they try to put u against other 5 stacks, but in higher ranks it's not common so it's like impossible to get a game like that
This problem has been known for a while and there's like no chance that those are coaches. My preferred fix to this problem is adding a queue similar to the flex queue in league of legends, that way it will stop players from boosting each other (mostly) in ranked.
You pinned a huge thing man. Love you my boi keep up the content ! 🔥
Thank u , luv u too 🖤 hopefully riot's gonna take a deeper look into this issue
@@GhoulValorant they won't. This problem exists already way too long.
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@@GhoulValorant they will separate ranked to soloq (1-2 players)and ranked flex,as at LoL
The bogger problem is that these boosters use cheats.
I wish this issue was recognised more. Both by Riot and the players.
honestly I wasn’t expecting it to be this bad, glad it has been brought to the light
saw a dude in my iron ranked game who claimed to be banned on his immo3/radiant main and went 33/3 on my team before throwing 6 rounds and ending it with a literal ares
I checked his tracker and it said he had an average KD of 1.8 which was kind of suspicious so I clicked further and he was getting in lobbies with odd ranks in what seemed to be comp…
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Oh riot just doesn't care
I've known this was an issue and try to bring it up to people but I get shut down. I'm glad someone with a platform is bringing it into the light.
Dude as someone high up in the valorant ranks I know multiple people who do this and I just don’t know how they enjoy this I’ve brought it up to them saying how they aren’t even real radiants and they are boosted asf for it but when they solo queue they still get in ascendant lobbies cause that’s where their hidden elo is
me too made a reddit post months ago but no one cared
Its a boosting service for sure. I would disable stacking in asc and above with players then ur rank. Also great job Ghoul on covering this important topic.
they dont want to do that tho cuz then people would smurf even more
half the reason ppl smurf is to play with friends and 5 stacks have no rank cap is riots solution to let people play with there friends still
They should just make rr gain like 75% less if your playing immo with silver
Absolute golden discovery, you deserve to be recognised for exposing this.
I had encountered someone like that brimstone before in my ranked game, it was hell man
As the saying goes “who plays on their mains these days bro”!
90% of the matches I play are smurfs. Silver 1 or bronze getting 35 kills + vs diamond 3’s and plats.
I didn’t believe it till I made a new account and seen I was smashing diamonds with a silver 1 account!
If you aint smurfing you are not playing Valorant and you won’t have fun because 9-10 you will team up with a smurf or face one which is so boring and no competitive meaning to the whole thing
Smurf smurf smurf! Make a smurf today and play Valorant the way it was designed to be played by Riot Games
When people ask my rank I say “Im somewhere between iron 3 and immortal”.
No cap 🧢
@@check4566 okay thats pretty overexaggerated
@@check4566 mad cause bad
@@ehsanlol4478 under not over. Its cool though youll see me on my smurf as silver 1 popping 30 bombs vs your diamond 3 lobby 😎
@@conflict6248 you’re gonna be mad when I smack your bottom with my smurf lol
I Love Ghoul how you actually point out this creepy stuff in valorant, for riot is very simple, I would suggest to make it 2 rank system, 1 is for solo rank, and another is team rank(5 stacks) or whatever. fairly the previous game I played had 2 ranked system so this would be the best way to do it.
well as I also meet lot of ASCD player that like newbie in my team which is freaking make me lost my mind while trying to improve myself in ASCD - Immortal lobby
That could be a solution but also I think it could help would be a restriction of ranks.
If your stack team has a bronze the max rank on your team can only be silver 3, and so on
Ghoul is probably not gonna see this, but him posting video made my day :D
Glad to hear that ;)
@@GhoulValorant bro proved me wrong real fast.💖
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Hello ghoul, In many ways, you have helped me throughout my life. Your videos are so energetic and chaotic. Although I know this topic has nothing to do with the video, I just wanted to let you know about it. Keep doing what you do, bro.
I'm honestly really happy to hear this brother, glad i could've helped in some way, thank you for making my day with this comment, stay strong, luv u 🖤
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Hi Ghoul I hope you will notice my comment: first of all I think this video is really interesting and you are probably the first one I see making Valorant videos on this topic. Valorant ranks are becoming more and more of an issue, especially at High Elo and at least from what I've noticed there has been this increase since they added the Ascendant rank, I really think things have gotten worse. I see High Elo players looking like they're just starting out (currently I'm swinging between asc 3 and Immortal 1). Players who have absolutely no idea how to play. As for the boost, I understood that it's really easy to be boosted and, unfortunately, a close friend of mine who was also my duo paid a lot for a booster: it already seemed strange to me that this friend of mine passed in one night from asc 1 to Immortal 1, but when I saw his career and I saw all the mvp and the same premades in every match I understood everything, also because it seemed strange to me that this friend of mine who is average, not a phenomenon, did all mvp (the next day we spoke on discord and he admitted of his own free will that he paid for a booster even at a very expensive price). At this point I asked myself: Why do people get boosted? Am I the only one who thinks it's sad that you pay people to get to higher ranks without even any credit from you? Without seeing your improvements? Don't you feel sad to see that when you only queue Immortal it's already a miracle if you get 10 kills? It's literally Smurf, but in reverse. It is the bane of Valorant. It's really hateful to see people who even play less than me (I've been playing from the beta to Iron 1 and now I'm at a good finish) who get to Immortal as if nothing had happened, because let's face it, it's impossible to get to Immortal in such a short time (there will probably be some exceptions, but I don't think anyone can do it)
I agree. I've been playing in Ascendant most of the time and it's really obvious that the skill disparity is huge. Mostly two or three people are actually good and the rest is mid at best. There is always one guy that has 30 kills and rest of the team max 15. I actually thought they added Ascendant to make that better but it's gotten worse
@@flutura2769 Thanks for understanding me, at least I don't seem crazy thinking these things..lmao
People get boosted mainly because of clout if I had to guess. They probably have friends IRL who they go to and brag about "I hit Immortal 2 from Gold" even though they were just boosted there.
@@lermankeurig1954 Yeah but it is one of many factors, but not the only one
I knew about one who was abusing this but i didnt know the problem was this big. This really needs to get fixed
this is a very interesting topic which you have covered very well, thank you
this issue appeared two acts ago, when a noname reached rad#1 in APAC region, after the act started. he played with 4 bronze players, getting plats and diamonds in enemies. He posted a screenshot with him reaching top rad, and got his account in Valorant banned. and riot doesn't see the problem since then
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My past four comp games, the enemies either had smurfs, my tea, dc, no mics, they all throw so I deranged 4 times
I’m an ascendant 3 player, and I had multiple friends who were gold players. Within one act I see that all of them instantly became diamond, and at first I was really proud of them until I played with them (p.s. I used to play a lot of unrated games with them, but then kind of stopped playing with them for awhile) and oh my god. I don’t mean to be an asshole but they did not even improve ONE BIT. Their aim still was an equivalent of a gold player, and their game sense didn’t improve either. Then when I checked their careers for their comp, I saw that they were queing 5 stack with an immortal player to get BOOSTED. Like bruh. Its so bad. And its not only them I run into so many people in my comp game these days, and they do NOT DESERVE the rank they have. Its terrible. I see even ascendant players never aiming headshot level, terrible reaction time, no good game sense, and when I check their stats, ofc, its horrid.
hoes mad
OMG finally shedding light to the biggest problem, thanks Ghoul!
I once was in a discord server where stuff like this was organised... and it is exactly how u explained it. 1 or 2 guys hop on their main acc while the others go on a low rank smurf and then they just queue until they hit radiant and then the other accounts would get played to radiant.. Eventually the server got leaked and closed tho.
Nice video, riot needs to change this faster, 5 stack boosting is so unfair for people who grind so hard everyday idk why they haven't fix this yet still
Rank is shit since ass cendant.
Plus performing well getting 8 first blood as a fade with 30 8 score i get plus 16 while my duo at 12 17 get plus 16 as well lol
@@jeric8692 yes this act is getting low rr on asd
I do not know how it is now, but back in the days, when I was still playing R6 Siege there were full communities of boosters - people who would be diamonds and plats but were de-ranking their accounts to bottom coppers to boost others to diamonds, while destroying weaker teams, and it worked like a charm for them.
That explains so much. I play around once a week 5 stacking with my friends at around bronze to gold level, and we sometimes get matched with 2 radiant players and get annilated in ranked. Never really understood it until now.
And some people will say "iF YoU FaCe a SMurF JusT GeT BeTTeR NGL" hhahahahaha
diamond lobbies struggle with this too sm, so many smurf’s, and when u buy an acc the game places u in plat/diamond. if u queue early in the morning you find the worst drones on earth like kids throwing on purpose, so many other issues too but they’re not similar to the topic of the video
I'm about 300rr right now at my peak and I've never been less motivated to play. Knowing at any time I could gather 4 friends and get radiant within the day. Not only get radiant but their MMR raises too which is crazy considering they're playing A.I ranks. I've seen a number of accounts with 5 stack winrates of 85%+ and it's crazy how this has been allowed for this long! many reports filed none of the accounts i keep track of banned it ruins the one thing that gives this game value, rank
Honestly, after having a look i think that the best solution to this is applying the same rules as to when it comes to duo queues.
Disabling 5 stack would be a bit rough, where as applying the rank disparity just like it is in a duo queue or 3 stack, would be perfect fix for it.
Another thing, i don’t think all of these people are coaches, some people boost accounts to sell them, i’ve seen someone complaining about this on Reddit, usually the tags end with TR… etc.
A coaching session could be a coaching session, not a 20 or 30+ games "boosting sessions".
I think youll see even more smurfs in 5 stacks if you did that.
Tbh just disabling the 5 stack for ascendant+ with the lower rank than ascendant cant 5 stack which is good, and apply the same rules as radiant with immortals would solve this issue.
I thought I was insane, god. I started playing Valorant roughly 2ish months ago. Coming from the apex ranked system, being unable to match with anyone diamond or below due to masters restriction, seeing the way ques and matchmaking works when partied is absolutely insane. I was gold when it happened, matched against an ascendant and diamond team, with some golds, an iron, and a bronze. I’m all for a challenge, hell, the game was extremely close. But I will say it’s a bit disheartening when a game is that close, and I still lose the normal amount of Rr despite the skill disparity. Not to mention that it feels like half the time you que against an iron in one of those teams they are most certainly not a real iron lol. The one thing I genuinly hate in a competitive fps is the feeling of helplessness. Skill wise, gamesense wise, that’s all in my control. But matchmaking, queing against teams like that, how and why is this a thing. Little rant, probably sound like I’m whining, but I’m really glad you’re bringing this up
First of all that is a great video, thanks for your work and effort you put into this. I think overall one of the biggest problems of Valorant is that one with smurfing and boosting, both are destroying the game experience. Something need to happen, better sooner than later, to some point i like you idea of banning 5-stack in ranked, but i think you should create two ranked queues one for 5 stacks, a little bit more competitive and one for solos or duos, maybe even trios.
As some guys mentioned, the difference in skill in one rank can be huge and the difference between different ranks is some times really small, so you are less motivated to uprank and play. That might be a reason for the people who get's boosted, they want to get fame and see progress
Same kind of stuff is also happening in other games, like league. I think it is really hard to fix it, but the solution with the reduced RR makes sense to me.
My girlfriend is iron 2 now and she met immortal 3 and radiant players in her lobby multiple times in the last 2 weeks. After the match, these players send friend request to the whole party and start inviting the iron players into their party. The party looks like one immortal 3 player with 4 iron players. It is insane.
@IDGAF let them gremlins simp and boost all for free!
I swear it’s harder to play in gold than diamond. Most of my friends says the exact same thing. Smurfing is the biggest problem in valorant and the 5 stack needs a big balancing as well.
i was doing a similar thing in csgo years ago, boosting accounts to GE with buddies and selling the accounts for big $. I could see the same thing happening here, with radiant having limited space there is large demand for these accounts, and without many restrictions regarding the distribution of accounts they can be sold privately. I would do this if I was good at valorant 😐
its not just high ranks playing with low ranks to boost themselves higher for easier games, its also high ranks hopping on an alt and queuing with low ranks to boost them higher. I dont mind boosted ppl, but, I hate people who are boosted but then brag or flex about being a high rank to their friends, because they do not deserve it in any way, shape, or form.
This has definitely been going on for quite some time, and it’s good that you’re bringing more attention to this issue.
Although, I don’t believe you’re the “first” to talk about it like a lot of people seem to be saying here in the comments.
Regardless, Riot really needs to crack down on these boosters, and find a good fix for this issue.
I’m partial to preventing high elo players (Ascendant and up) from five stacking with anyone between Iron and Plat.
A lot of "regular" people (People without a platform) have reported this crap many many times. But since we don't have a platform, Riot does not give a damn. Hopefully since a RUclipsr made a video about it, they'll finally acknowledge the issue and fix it.
@@bun2206 I think Eggwick, and MrLowLander mentioned it, but I guess they never really went into full on detail, or anything, but yeah
Yes absolutely!! When the new act starts the starting 2-3 weeks is the only time you queue with players of your level after that everyone is smurfing. I have experienced it myself as I was stuck in nearly every rank till Plat caz at that time I figured this out and pushed in start to avoid smurfing mfs. Do like if you agree!!
Even day one of the new act people smurf, people don't give shit they just want to win easily.
This has been a huge issue for a long time. It has came to a point where I can't even 5 stack with my friends casually from time to time anymore. Every time we try to que we go against three people that are around our rank and two immortals boosting their rr. Just a automatic loss if you five stack now. Riot needs to address this and make it where you can't five stack past immortal. or make a five stack rank distribution so you can't just que with anyone.
Happened to me.. I 5 stacked with my silver and bronze buddies one morning and there was an ascendant and a plat in the other team... Although they surrendered after loosing 5-0 😅
easiest way to fix this is put in a hard mmr difference restriction, no matter the stack size, ie. MAX 1 rank difference no matter what (with the exception of immortal and radiant), so a silver 1 can play with a gold 1, as long as their is a silver 1 in the lobby the maximum difference for the entire lobby can only be 1 rank, so you couldnt have a s1 playing with a p1 because they queued with a g1.
Holy this just happened in ascendant immo lobby yesterday, our yoru is just supeeer lost
As in not knowing how to shoot, runs into enemies, not using abilities and no mics
Albeit a close game (11-13, Yoru had 0 kills and 0 assists) so sad we could've won it
Anyways Ghoul, your video brought my spirits back up after receiving news of failing college...
I played that said game yesterday after the news deliverance and happened to be TWICE (I'm Like TT) to be more stressful up to the verge to crying (which was taking a toll on my mental)
That said, a new day new mentality, I've coped up with my fate of having to redo the said unit for another extra year and wish you and the audiences' good luck on life
Sincerely,
Touch Grass Please (Any EU food recommendations)
Hey, ghoul
I think I remember seeing this issue maybe 6 or 7 months ago as well. sad that it hasn't been fixed yet! =[
Yo i completely agree with u and ur last reason saying lower mmr players should not be able to stack with higher mmr players!
This has been known about for quite some time and the first time i heard about it was last act, basically it’s 1 of 2 things. 1 is just people boosting which is pretty obvious, but the second is that people do this then sell the radiant accounts for a high price, usually it takes a while to sell an account worth that much so u end up with people not playing for a few weeks to months before someone buys it and drops elo extremely fast (like the brim)
Bro I have been waiting for someone to research and talk about this, I've seen a lot of accounts this ACT being boosted, the Matchmaking in valorant is already broken and 5 Stack is the worst. Riot should keep it simple like before, 5 Stack only ur above and below ranks ( like gold 1 to plat 1, diamond 1 to ascendant 1) because of this the ranking fun is completely lost, the meaning of competitive play is gone and the game dies eventually. This is a serious issue for VALORANT honestly.
pretty common in other games aswell, in csgo you encounter the same shit around LEM/Supreme (3rd and 2nd highest rank)
„If i was just paranoid and jealous bec these people have four friends to play with?“
I FEEL YOU SO HARD😂
this makes sense why i kept getting thrown into plat games at bronze
7:52
You're absolutely right. This goes for all sorts of queues (excluding Unrateds of course). Solos, Duos, Trios and 5-stacks should not be allowed to be matched with anyone 2 or more leagues from them (i.e. no one in a 5v5 comp game in immortal should be matching with diamonds or lower).
Just make it like in league, you cant play duo q with someone with 1 rank above you and you cant even have a duo partner above master players.
my friend was once into valorant hacking. he used like esp and stuff in unrated but one time he bought a radiant account off of a discord server for $19.99 to cheat in comp. i think the most likely situation here is boosting accounts to sell them. The valorant hacking community is a lot bigger than you think, and vanguard isn’t as good as you think it is.
the way they get most accounts is by stealing them. if you have a inactive valorant account there is a chance it could be stolen so beware of that especially if you have skins on it. thats also why some are gold and bronze in previous acts.
The way to fix this is actually way more simple than it seems. All they have to do is make it to where in 5 stacks, it acts as if the highest rank is solo queue (as far as matching the MMR of the game). This way, if an immortal 1 queues with 4 bronzes, it doesnt end up being gold lobbies, it ends up still being immortal 1 lobbies.
Make the queue times ages immortal+ 5 stacks, because they shouldnt exist as well.
This also allows people who enjoy playing 5 stacks, unaffected themsleves. It also helps them not have to worry about going against these type of stacks, even if they continue to try it.
the tag #TR1 means that he is turkish and he plays league of legends, other than that you made a banger of a video aint gonna lie good work brother
Great video, I find flex queue in league to work good. It another queue completely, with less rules. You can play any number of players except 4, so solo, duo, truo? and 5stack. The goal is the same ranks, but the leaderboards are different from solo/duo queue
Bro i hope riot do sumthing about this.These players are literal menace for others trying to grind their way to higher elos.tnx for exposing this issue Ghoul 👊
System with linking numbers to your account, 2 - step verification and lastly minor fixes with RR penalty with stacking. I guess with this options it will way harder to boost someone or smurf. But its not gonna be gone , it will be just way harder.
Its sad to see how much messed up the ranking system is
They need to add a rank dispersion limit for 5 stacks in comp, it won't stop it fully but will help to an extent
No, how can I play with friends then!??
@@sqda Get good.
That would just endorse smurfing to play with friends like create new accounts and play on lower ranked
@@themantsang exactly. rather, they need to fix smurfing.
@@sqda go play unrated
Highest I've been is ascendant 1 and even I've seen people that seem lost and just have no clue at all what there agent does. I think this system has left boosted players all over the place.
0:11 "then if you money or friends , you can be radiant in no time"
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finally someone talked about it, thank you bro ♥
honestly I think they should let 5 stack on same rank only, that way even the matchmaking would be more fair
Yeah, but you know they can still Smurf and boost ppl
I’m gold 2 and I’m the highest rank in my friend group. They are bronze-gold 1. We 5 stack comp. I think the way that would work is it should be higher rank players trying to que with anyone below asc shouldn’t be allowed. Even in 5 stacks. Don’t punish people who are actually trying to enjoy the game. Punish the people who are abusing the system to get a rank they don’t deserve.
@@DDDjalil they can't, they'll be facing 5 immos/ascs together, so it'll be a hell lot harder
Isn’t the point of this that the lower ranked people are generally speaking much better than their rank indicates. That is how they rank so fast since they don’t take the hit on rr reduction for losses, while still being good.
thanks for pointing this out ghoul love you💕💕
No you are 100 percent correct. It is ridiculous the amount of boosted players there are. My problem is once they hit a rank and the boys aren't around they throw games not meaning to throw but throw. It ruins the experience for the players like myself who put countless hours of practice to get where we are just to lose rr because I silver, plat thought they should be higher than they should
i seen it happen many times bro even in full imm3 lobby there is always a sage or a support player that just doesnt know how to even move properly : )
I think riot should remove 5 stack with any rank feature from diamond and higher.
Personally I love the 5 stack games because I play with my friends. The thing is my friends are actually Plat, Silver (which is my rank Silver 3) or Gold. I have some know people in my account who is Inmortal or Ascendant but i never play with them, only in unranked or custom games. That people are not coaches, because like you said, they can spectate the game on Discord or something like that. That has to be guys boosting other guys, maybe not every case, but most of it. Good video
Make it a twitter trend guys so that valorant can notice and take actions ASAP
A bigger reduction for immortal players would fix it, then all the boosting would be to only ascendant which is fine
Man it's the problem everywhere I'm gold and getting matched up with irons and diaomnds in 5 stack
For Sure some Times there are imo 2 or imo 3 which we beat up but then appear some ascendants diamonds ranks which completly destroy us
this is why i stop playing ranked. too many smurfs. i wish riot fixes this. its actually sad
thats a banger video and i hope one of riot devs will notices it i honestly I was asc 3 close to immo then suddenly i started losing till i got back to D3 then stopped playing such a huge lose streak and i hope they will fix this matchmaking system ASAP so i can go back and enjoy the game once again in the next EP and imo i think they just get radiant or immo and then they sell acc
thats why the valorant LFG is filled with ''Looking for 2 more any rank''
Extremely Entertaining video I like this style alot keep it up 👍
im shocked people dont know about this
Surprised it took this long for people to find out about this. This has been an on-going issue for a long time that I've reported to Riot many, many, many times, and they always ignore it.
Also, the reason why they don't play anymore after reaching their desired ranks is these are most likely accounts for sale. There's a huge black market for highly ranked Valorant accounts for some reason, people make a killing off it.
Riot will definitely ignore it, cuz its also a way to get people to play this game lol
The other day I was playing a normal comp game (, gold, plat) and there is a random immortal 2 peak on my team, who got placed in s3 this act. He didn't even drop more than 20 kills. The state of valorant as it is is so bad with the crypto throwing, boosting, and cheaters.
the #1 reason i stopped playing valorant until they do something about this Mess!!
i played 5 stack lobbys with 4 ascendant 3 and 1 immortal one, we promoted to immortal, but we were playing at dawn and we matched three time with the same guys, and has 3 golds and 2 immortal 3, and we beat them three time, they are abusing the matchmaking problem with 5 stack, i checked his profile and is only wins, this is awkward. srry if my english is bad, im from Brazil! nice video!
There's a whole market around selling boosted/high rank accounts.
thats what im talking about, i hate ranking system so much
its actually disgusting how many people abuse this in immortal in NA, I cant even imagine in other regions with less players
it happened in ascendant - radiant problem dude, so stressful met this kind of poeples tbh
i dont care while the boosting game happened, the smurf sometimes got destroyed tho
THE PROBLEM IS THE BOOSTED / ACCOUNT BUYER PLAY SOLO AND WE GOT THEM IN OUR TEAM JUST LIKE THE CLIP :(( ITS SO FK IT HAPPENED TO ME SO MANY TIMES IN HIGH ASC-IMO ELO
This happens in league of legends aswell. I had someone on my friendslist get grandmasters in league Flex queue because he would stack with lower rated players constantly. Guy was barely D4 in Solo queue
OSRS music W
Honestly seems like paybacks for the countless radiant/immo players AND INFLUENCERS smurfing and ruining people’s games.
rank system really is bugged - me and my friends are all immortal and we like to 5 stack but everytime we 5 stack our enemies are ascendant and only hardly 1-2 immortal it gets soo boring like we want to play gainst radiants and stuff but no ascendants is the best we get
I wish they did the same thing as in League, where Iron, silver, gold players cant queue up with players that are 3 ranks above.
I think this is a giant problem. Im gold 1 - 2 and i qued with silvers (at the time i was silver) we were all the same level and just qued together. But we lost completly and looked the match up on tracker, the enemy team were 2 bronze, 1 gold , 1 silver, 1, at the top 1 ascendant 3. I feel like even really low ranks suffer on this since 5 stack for us is just unfair and impossible. After that i never tried 5 stack again.
They should make the 5stack mmr reduction vary for each player. e.g. if one team has 2 golds, 1 bronze and 1 immo and the other one has all plat3-dia1 then there should be more rr reduction for the immo player (like 80% or something) because he is playing against diamonds and plats. But the bronze and golds should have a really low mmr reduction cause theyre playing against high mmr players.
Thats a really Big Problem in aszendent, in the Last time. Since i Hit Aszendent i had only Two types of games. Type 1: we Roll Over the enemies and get a fast win or Type 2: we get totaly smurfed by low Rank players
In my opinion, just make the 90% rr reduction permanent for 5stack. Teamplay is just too much of an advantage, there will never be a balanced 5stack environment so rank shouldn't be affected in the first place. At least not the soloQ rank, make a separate rank if necessary.
If you want to play with friends, you shouldn't bother about this. Having fun with friends should mean more than a stupid triangle.
Same tactic what Rawzu is using for his "one tap moments" videos
My friends and I quit 5 stack and to be honestly quit valorant in general because of this. Before this issue became a thing, we would play 3-5 games a night and had a great time but ever since this exploit became a thing, people have been smurfing + cheating in our games. We caught 4 cheaters last week and all got flagged. (we are low immo)
I miss episode 1 when there were literally 0 smurfs... Maybe once in every 50 matches
The same issue is actually in league flex queue as well, outside joke made a video about that
My anxiety was at peak through the whole video 😖
HI Ghoul. I want to ty for always having nice videos. The rank system is pretty unbalanced in my opnion as well. SO recently i created a new account because i was hardstuck on the other acc and... even tho i played real good even against plat i still got gold 1. Its Really good that you pointed out this problem because i think we all sometimes get smurfs in our lobbies and it ruins our day. Ty again for you amaizng video
riots is currently working on improving the smurfing and boosting issue, dunno if they have picked up on that specifically, but yes they are aware
hope they fix it in new act and i want to point out something that if they are boosting with 5 stack its not coaching , coaching is teaching the game to someone boosting and coaching are two different things
I honestly think the solution would be a stack queue where you only get put against other stacks and a solo/duo queue with a restriction on how far apart your rank can be
They already tried implementing that system lol, iirc they are trying to make it so if u 5 stack they try to put u against other 5 stacks, but in higher ranks it's not common so it's like impossible to get a game like that
I was 5 stacking with ascendants and we kept getting “gold” players going crazy
This problem has been known for a while and there's like no chance that those are coaches.
My preferred fix to this problem is adding a queue similar to the flex queue in league of legends, that way it will stop players from boosting each other (mostly) in ranked.
funny that, cause everybody hates flex queue.
Love the mystery osrs soundtrack :D
since they added asc valo isnt the same anymore...