That magnum. Might be a little bias but I'm a massive victory fan. Because of how comfortable they are and the way they look. They have the biggest bags out of all the bikes. Largest from wheel. Smooth and flowing design and always look great. I've seen these bikes in show pretty standard and still take out the win.
being out in the wind is it's a big part of the joy of riding. I've rode a bike with a fairing and dealt with buffeting. Any protection at all is better than the naked bikes I regular ride. So, I guess I don't get the nitpicking and snobbery.
they were comparing stock Baggers they should the Victory Cross Country and not the Victory Cross Country Magnum. Victory Cross Country only cost 19,000 and set up for longer rides and better quality seat and a standard 18 inch wheel in the front
The XC has a better shock than the Magnum too. To me, the Vic is the easy winner even with the goofball parts, but it's unbearable above 70 mph with the windscreen. You might as well stick your head in a dryer.
I test rode the Harley, Chieftain and the Guzzi. If you want to go a bit faster, stop a bit faster, take a real corner and have the most engine character...... the Moto Guzzi every time. I got excruciating back ache on the Indian after 2 hours that lasted 3 days. The Guzzi have done 2 European tours. Yes.....I went and bought it
6:40 it ain't always about CC, power to weight matters too! The Flying Fortress is 150lbs lighter than most baggers (692-752lbs depending on accessories). I traded in my Harley Softail for one and wow the Flying Fortress literally feels nearly identical in weight, except I have saddlebags and a fairing now!
These all seem like good bikes to me. Among them... The bike I most want to take for a spin: Guzzi. The bike I most want to take on a long road trip: Chieftain. The bike I most want to own: Magnum. The bike I most want to sell: Street Glide (because HDs tend to hold their value so well).
I sure still love the chunkiness of my 2014 street glides gear box. That and the vibration at idle of my bike, I don't fully know why but I bloody love it. I guess in this day & age where everything is increasingly more refined, quiet and as a result potentially boring; unrefined old school is just more fun, interesting and just does it for me.
Jeeez...did you guys all share a handful of Xanax before this review?. You all (or at least the grey bearded dude) looked irritated to be riding these bikes and doing this review. plus I learned next to nothing about the bikes. why even bother?.
@ Casey Melick if you are trying to make a remark based on their sexuality please dont...this video is about bikes, not where someone sticks their whowho in private and personally i dont want to know! and the government shouldnt be involved...take your right wing paranoia to hate dot com
You guys barely mention anything about the Chieftain. everything else was like, MGX. MGX, MGX, Street Glide and didn't to but a few words on the Indian until near the end. Nothing on the engine, performance or anything.
Michiganborn1969 that is completely true and actually i clicked on the video looking for a review from experts and i didn’t get it so i better keep looking for one then
Twenty seconds into the video I said this shootout was for baggers with fork-mounted fairings. Care to guess what our next bagger shootout will cover? Think we will have some fun doing it? I do.
Krystal, you are an idiot. I have several Indian's and 1 Victory, great bikes but you cannot ignore the new 2018 Yamaha Star Venture or the 2018 Yamaha Star Eluder. Saying that these Yamaha's are way behind show you you have no knowledge
Thanks for the review. I love the Guzzi, except for the large front wheel. That will be the only thing to keep me from buying one. Probably all good bikes, just pick the one you like!
What do you need parts for? I rode a 50 year old Guzzi 10,000 k's all over Europe and didn't need parts? The guzzi can be serviced on the side of the road. Valve check, Oil change easy as. Shaft drive. If you can buy one you can fix one, having a dealer close is overrated! If I need parts for my 50 year old Guzzi I order them from 3000 k's away and have them the next morning!
@@smeghead61 The owner of a local dealer that sells several brands from BMW to Triumphs dropped Guzzi because he said the factory was impossible to deal with, couldn't get parts in a timely manor and they wouldn't cover warranty work. You order parts today and the next morning you get the parts? Uhhh, right, sure.
@@motorman857 I have no doubt about how Piaggio importers treat their dealers, Are you doubting I get parts overnight? Never fail to for 50 year old bikes! I am not dealing with the Piaggio agents, there are MANY suppliers of parts for Moto Guzzi that are independent and are amazing.
I have a Victory Magnum X-1 Stealth and I love it. I can stretch out on it when riding long distances and it's like riding on a cloud. I don't even need highway pegs. If I had to pick a 2nd place winner...for me it would be the Indian. I'm not a Harley hater though, they're great bikes, just not my style. The Guzzi is cool but it's like a bagger that doesn't want to be a bagger...kinda weird for me.
Can you guys do a Muscle Cruiser Shootout! Suzuki Boulevard M109r, Harley Vrod, Ducati Diavel, Honda Gold Wing Valkyrie, Triumph Rocket III, Victory Octane (RIP), and the Moto Guzzi Cali 1400! PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!
HeliEnthusiast Maybe they're FWPs or maybe it just doesn't get cold there. When I moved to AZ, I saw people in parkas when it went down to 32 and I'm in tee shirt and shorts.
+Evans Brasfield : I've been reading you for awhile. I think Motorcycle Cruiser was the first book I read your work, when Jamie was there. Anyway, I lived in Iowa for 9+ years and if I wanted to ride on a winter day just to get out, I had to deal with it. My current ride I've had to over 6 years has a heated seat and grips which helps. I usually turn them on when I get near or about 40 degrees and they're all the way up 32 and lower. My RT has pretty good aerodynamics, so the tops of my thighs are the only body part that gets cold. When I had a 1600 Nomad, I was a lot colder.
Kind of strange how only Victory got a sigh for "love it or hate it styling". I believe the same may be said for all of these motorcycles. Even the Street Glide, which may have the style you expect does not necessarily mean you are gong to like it. The MGX looks the most like it belongs to a costumed superhero, but that doesn't make it pretty. I miss the days when motor-journalist would write articles that actually offered riding impressions instead of just petty criticisms. That is why i stopped subscribing to magazines.
I'll tell ya from experiance, my Guzzi Audace will chug right up from 20mph to 40 in 5th gear and after that its screaming. It pulls like a mack truck.
I've a Guzzi too, some sportbike in Italy are made with Guzzi's big block engine, the same of your Audace and MGX for example ruclips.net/video/5ItQIgQe3vg/видео.html
HD is the most simplest perfect bike still! That Indian & victory sound best! Trying to avoid wind on a motorcycle means u need to just take your car with you. Lol
People. I just got a 2017 Street Glide Special. If you've never road a Hard Tail ride this. It is the roughest riding bike . I really can't believe how hard it rides. The rear shocks makes no sense. The left one is adjustable, the right one isn't. Looks like they put the wrong shocks on. Other than the ride I Love it. I will do something about the ride soon.
I owned a 2014 Street Glide Special and my brother-in-law owned an Indian Chieftain and I preferred my Harley over the Chieftain when it came to riding position.
I'm 5'6", but even a 2" difference in rider height can make a significant difference in their bike impressions regarding seating position, stretch, fairing/windshield buffeting, etc...
James Lagnese For sure. I'm just saying the ideal windshield height for a 5'6" guy is significantly different from the ideal height for a 6'5" guy, or even a 5'8" guy, so it would be very helpful if they mentioned how tall they were when talking about windshield height.
I'm looking to get into riding but don't know if I want a cruiser, sportbike, or a naked. Any tips you can offer. Don't worry I'd be getting an entry level bike.
joshua holmes i can chime in ive had juat about every bike outhere personally am a harley fan but ive always had at least two bikes. what do plan on using you bike for? weekend ride? commuting? how much money u wanna spend? how tall are you? how long u bee riding. lol sorry just try to help ppl out that want to join the sport.
Jesus H Medrano Well I'm 5 foot 8 and as I said I'm looking to get into riding. I've never ridden anything but a bicycle but I intend to ride on a regular basis. As for how much I'd want to spend well there's the kicker because even though I'm more partial to cruisers I wouldn't say no to a sport bike or a naked if I liked how they felt.
joshua holmes as a firdt bike i woulf definitely recomend a cruiser one comes to mind. kawasaki vulcan custom or classic 2007 and up. heres why, its low rides good cheap fuel injected, reliable quick gas efficiente and just.plain easy to ride. that will let u know if ur a cruiser kinda of guy its an awesome cruiser for the money. after that a harley dyna would be the next step up. as far as sport bikes i would recommned to stay away from for the first year youll know in the first year if ur a cruiser guy or sport bike. comes down to how much u ride ive taken that vulcan from san francisco to vegas. couldnt do thay with my sport bikes.
Jesus H Medrano So you wouldn't recommend getting something like the Yamaha R3, Ninja 300/250, Honda cbr250/300, or the Honda cbf300(NAKED BIKE)? I've heard very good things about the Kawasaki Vulcan S I'm just thinking if I go cruiser I'll be buying it used whereas with the entry level sport bikes they are only a few grand so I wouldn't feel so bad getting a used one. The problem with sport bikes is if I looked at a used one there is no guarantee the previous owner didn't just beat it to death.
joshua holmes the 300cc bijes which i have had are just.plain underpowered josh. now with that neing said they underpowered here.im the us not.sure if u live here in the us. also even if u thought it was ok u would grow out of it very very fast, that i would buy used because.usually.owners are first timers and they grow put of it fast so they dont.reallt beat.them up. ur first.bike should be used cuz odds are its gonna be ur first bike after that one u can actually.buy a new.one that u know u will.keep for a while. it.took me 3 new bikes till i kept one for a while.and they wer.new lost.alot.of.money. it does sound like ur.more.into sportbike so get that 300cc aa ur firsr bike but save some.money and buy it used they are incredible.simple so its hard for them to brek down specially a honda or.yamaha.
I doubt any of these bikes will place most riders in the sweet spot for handling, and buffeting out of the box. The Chieftain I have needed some tuning. It was sensitive to heavy OKC cross wind and buffeting out of the crate. I moved the handle bars to push me back in the seat. The difference was huge. It moved me into a sweet spot for balance and control that is pretty incredible for an 850 lb bike or any bike. The handling is now my favorite thing about the bike. I was to far forward with the dealer setup. Before I moved back I also had some buffeting and reverse air flow at around 100. Now that is gone as well and I can tune the airflow around my head and shoulders with the electric windshield at different speeds. I almost wish I was taller, I wonder if the bike would be even better if I was over 6' and bought the factory seat for taller people and moved farther back. Today, the bike turns and changes lanes at speed much like my 300 lb dirt bike, a light push on the bar, slight lean, another quick lean to straighten it up and you are very predictably in the next lane. Group riding in heavy wind I can ride the bike on either white line from 60 to 100 and it needs little or no input from me. I don't like air in the rear shock. It changes the balance and the ride. The book says 0 air up to 200 lbs, I'd say 300. When you dial this bike's chassis in, it is pretty incredible to ride. It's a little stiff for suspension travel but the chip shuts the gas off at 120 and stiff is needed at speed. The only other issue I can recall was raising the headlight. With the factory set, I was overdriving low beam at about 45 mph in feet traveled. It's an easy adjust with the provided Allen wrench, now the low beam is ok for about 70 and the hi and spots give me enough light to hit the chip at night and see ok. It didn't take much to dial the bike in but the difference is pretty amazing in both ride ability and comfort. Oh, did I say, "I love this bike". Once dialed in, it's been ridden pretty hard. I hasn't asked for anything, it uses no oil between changes and gets one every 5000 miles. The chieftain loved the power package of cams air cleaner and pipes. It tries to rip the rear tire off the bike in 3rd gear and hits the chip at 120 in 4th gear. If you have room to ride a tank of gas out at 120, you will need another tank of gas in about 95 miles, but even the sport bikes will be somewhere behind you by then. I really don't remember even seeing any of the stuff I've passed again the same day and this bike will do it day after day. I love the bags and electric locks. Each bag hauls 36 bottles of water beer or pop. Today they have a bunch of junk, 2 leather jackets, one sweatshirt half a dozen bottles of water and a Walmart chicken in them. Last night I rode it out to the sprint car races and had people gather around it and take its picture. What's not to like about this bike? I'll never diss another brand of bike, but this is really a great bike. So, tell me about the competition, I don't want to miss anything and if there is anything better I'd like to buy one.
You state that the Guzzi has "jugs in the wind". So does my 44DD girlfriend, who adds a back rest factor to any bike I ride with her. I bet that cranky old grey dude would smile with that option!
I test Road the Magnum it is lowered an inch and a half in the rear and I did not care for the windscreen being short or the raked front end then I tested the stock cross country it sits you upright much more comfortably has a taller windscreen and it far-out handled the Magnum in Corners in fact it out handled The Indian and the Harley in my opinion so I bought one. after 46,000 miles I rewrode the other two still happy with my choice. plus I'm six foot three, from the back of the driver's seat to the floorboards I have 8 more inches of legroom than on a Harley and 6 inches more than on the Indians. the Magnum is more for the city Cruiser if you're going to hit the highway you want the cross country or cross-country tour if you want to text Victorys best foot forward.
Agree! after test riding the CrossCountry, Magnum, Chieftain & Street Glide, I got myself a CrossCountry. Rode it on 2 trips with wifey as pillion, over 15,000km through Singapore-Malaysia-Thailand-Cambodia & same way back to Singapore. Wifey & I are totally in love with the CrossCountry.
It would have embarrassed all 4 of these. Throw in the BMW K1600GTL and hands down winner. But these are what they want to just call baggers where the Honda/BMW touring.
actually, they said its a fork mounted fairing class so this is clear disqualification for both GW and GTL. But, you are very wrong with your assumptions, GW is very outdated now, and all except the Guzzi outclass it. The BMW is is full dresser, and again its outclassed by all other dressers for the purpose the touring dresser class exist, and that is the long range riding comfort. Yes it is the strongest one, yes it is the sportiest one, but no its not comfortable on long trips, since it has cramped space, same is true for GW, GW is comfy just for short guys, for tall guys its real PITA. So go back and dream your wet dreams based on numbers, the rest will make long trips on bikes you qualify as subpar...
47 Degrees.....I love riding at 47 degrees with No Windshield at Highway speeds. 47 is warm.. I ride at 20 Degrees F. This guy must be crying if he had to ride in 20 Degree weather. Lightweight
You know, we actually talked about including the V-Star, but frankly, with the displacement disadvantage it had, it would've been a bloodbath. The Valkyrie has no fork-mounted fairing.
Although it would've been bad for Yamaha, I'm thinking that's what they need to hear. It took them this long to come up with the Bolt, and was it really that hard for them? Honda too should bring back their Shadow RS now that the "sound patent" has been withdrawn. lol
One of the most pointless reviews I have seen. The majority of the review was talking about the wind. I ride to feel the wind, and the sun, and feel alive while I travel. I think these four should have taken a bus tour of the ghost towns. I have ridden three of these four bikes. I would go Indian, Victory, Harley in that order.
No, he's not referring to a steering damper. Frequently, bikes with large front wheels have a problem with them flopping to one side during low speed maneuvers. The device on the Guzzi actually resists this tendency to flop. I wrote about it in detail here: www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2017-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride-review.html If you don't want to read the whole article, just find the word Larry.
They don’t like the clunkyness 😂😂 that’s Harley loud heavy thunder that’s what makes it awesome especially when you throw some good pipes on it so it rumbles
Evans Brasfield wow Evans himself answered me, and as I would expect with a efficient and useful answer. Thanks buddy and carry on. P. S. Let's get the Dyna Lowrider S up against some appropriate comp.
Indian and Harley-Davidson are both American motorcycles which every American should be riding. In the end you will have fun on both so the vs this and that is all in the mind.
The front fender on that Indian is just wicked ! The Victory is kind of run-of-the-mill, and the Guzzi is a bit weird looking for my taste. But by far, ten years from now, the one with the highest re-sale value will be that Harley. It would be my first choice, then the Indian a close second. I'd take the Victory in a pinch. You can keep the Guzzi.
my pick for long trips where comfort & reliability is paramount, it has to be 1) Victory 2) Indian 3) Guzzi & 4) Harley On the Victory they should've use a CrossCountry which has 17" front in my opinion is better in handling & confort & it is much cheaper then the Magnum.
These old guys SMH they need to take four newer guys 25 to 35 years of age and let them do a test review these guys were practically diead no life in them whatsoever no wonder the reviews of all for motorcycle stunk!Where is the excitement? All four of these motorcycles are bad ass!
May be the worst review I have seen. Only to the ending to get the conclusion... Which is buy the damn magazine and read the conclusion because we aren't even going to say in the freakin awful dialog video. At least I don't have to waist my time on earth watching anything more from this channel.
These guys just don't understand Harley Davidson motorcycles. The "clunkiness" is actually the mechanical voice of this beautiful machine that is part of the story of moving people down the road. If you love mechanical things... then you usually love Harleys. And the torque of the Harley is great for folks like me who are big (300lbs of muscle) and don't want to have a bike wrapping out and wearing out just to maintain the power to pull me up a hill. Also... that little wop job Guzzi is only good for short people because people like me hit their knees on the stupid side-projecting cylinder heads. There is only one guy in your group that is tall enough to appreciate the Harley. As for the Polaris bikes... they are "also rans" IMHO.
I just came back to see if this was still the most boring comparison video on RUclips. Still the king.
That magnum. Might be a little bias but I'm a massive victory fan. Because of how comfortable they are and the way they look. They have the biggest bags out of all the bikes. Largest from wheel. Smooth and flowing design and always look great. I've seen these bikes in show pretty standard and still take out the win.
I'm a massive Vic fan myself. The magnum is an awesome bike.
Riding a bike and complaining about the wind, is kind of silly isn't it?
They are to old for motorbike hehe
Charlie Mallow not if the bike has a fairing. If you've ever rode one, and had to deal with constant buffeting, it can ruin the ride.
being out in the wind is it's a big part of the joy of riding. I've rode a bike with a fairing and dealt with buffeting. Any protection at all is better than the naked bikes I regular ride. So, I guess I don't get the nitpicking and snobbery.
People having different opinions and tastes? Madness, I say.
I recently bought my first faired bike and the buffeting sound around my helmet drives me crazy. I much prefer the clean air of a naked bike.
they were comparing stock Baggers they should the Victory Cross Country and not the Victory Cross Country Magnum. Victory Cross Country only cost 19,000 and set up for longer rides and better quality seat and a standard 18 inch wheel in the front
The XC has a better shock than the Magnum too.
To me, the Vic is the easy winner even with the goofball parts, but it's unbearable above 70 mph with the windscreen. You might as well stick your head in a dryer.
My thoughts exactly. Why pick the Magnum for this "review"?
Did the guy really say "anti-flopping mechanism" when refurring to a steering stabilizer? Lol
I test rode the Harley, Chieftain and the Guzzi. If you want to go a bit faster, stop a bit faster, take a real corner and have the most engine character...... the Moto Guzzi every time. I got excruciating back ache on the Indian after 2 hours that lasted 3 days. The Guzzi have done 2 European tours. Yes.....I went and bought it
6:40 it ain't always about CC, power to weight matters too! The Flying Fortress is 150lbs lighter than most baggers (692-752lbs depending on accessories).
I traded in my Harley Softail for one and wow the Flying Fortress literally feels nearly identical in weight, except I have saddlebags and a fairing now!
These all seem like good bikes to me.
Among them...
The bike I most want to take for a spin: Guzzi.
The bike I most want to take on a long road trip: Chieftain.
The bike I most want to own: Magnum.
The bike I most want to sell: Street Glide (because HDs tend to hold their value so well).
I sure still love the chunkiness of my 2014 street glides gear box. That and the vibration at idle of my bike, I don't fully know why but I bloody love it. I guess in this day & age where everything is increasingly more refined, quiet and as a result potentially boring; unrefined old school is just more fun, interesting and just does it for me.
windshields need to be below your line of sight. (For rain). I had to shave mine down before they had a shorter one available.
Jeeez...did you guys all share a handful of Xanax before this review?. You all (or at least the grey bearded dude) looked irritated to be riding these bikes and doing this review. plus I learned next to nothing about the bikes. why even bother?.
Burns is always grumpy. That's why we like him!
EastBay MauiBoy they need new blood!
@ Casey Melick if you are trying to make a remark based on their sexuality please dont...this video is about bikes, not where someone sticks their whowho in private and personally i dont want to know! and the government shouldnt be involved...take your right wing paranoia to hate dot com
EastBay MauiBoy I hear you they talked about crap give us the statistics between the bikes
I like how you guys are unbiased and have great things to say about each bike.
Gaaaaah damn that motoguzzi is one beautiful bike. I'm a Victory/Yamaha guy myself but I would love to test ride one of those bad boys!
You guys barely mention anything about the Chieftain. everything else was like, MGX. MGX, MGX, Street Glide and didn't to but a few words on the Indian until near the end.
Nothing on the engine, performance or anything.
Michiganborn1969 that is completely true and actually i clicked on the video looking for a review from experts and i didn’t get it so i better keep looking for one then
The Guzzi is one step away from being a sport bike.
You guys had four bikes there bit it sounds like you guys gave the MGX as the star of the show.
Might be worth a mention that the Victory is the decked out model???? That the base is $2,500 less?? Or how about the 100 watt 6 speaker system...
Where was the Kawasaki Vacquero
Twenty seconds into the video I said this shootout was for baggers with fork-mounted fairings. Care to guess what our next bagger shootout will cover? Think we will have some fun doing it? I do.
I should listen more carefully. I enjoy all of the shootout videos and the articles as well. Thanks. I'll stay tuned.
Krystal, you are an idiot. I have several Indian's and 1 Victory, great bikes but you cannot ignore the new 2018 Yamaha Star Venture or the 2018 Yamaha Star Eluder. Saying that these Yamaha's are way behind show you you have no knowledge
Cool bikes, cool video. Thanx.
1 Guzzi, far from thr others, 2 Indian, 3 Victory, 4 Harley.
what about the audio systems, creature comfort, safety?
Thanks for the review. I love the Guzzi, except for the large front wheel. That will be the only thing to keep me from buying one. Probably all good bikes, just pick the one you like!
More of these cruiser videos! You guys are awesome! There's not that many cruiser videos
I detect sexual tension between these guys 😂
Glad I wasted 13 minutes of my life, to not find out which bike won....
Moto Guzzi mgx21.....Wow💪🇮🇹
great video very informative couldn't have asked for a more pleasant experience.
With the Guzzi your going to need lots of parts you can't get, from dealers you can't find.
Ride Like a Pro Jerry Palladino.. thats my biggest concern about getting this bike.
I can almost build a complete copy of my California from parts catalogs. Parts are easy to get, even for older models. I love it.
What do you need parts for? I rode a 50 year old Guzzi 10,000 k's all over Europe and didn't need parts? The guzzi can be serviced on the side of the road. Valve check, Oil change easy as. Shaft drive. If you can buy one you can fix one, having a dealer close is overrated! If I need parts for my 50 year old Guzzi I order them from 3000 k's away and have them the next morning!
@@smeghead61 The owner of a local dealer that sells several brands from BMW to Triumphs dropped Guzzi because he said the factory was impossible to deal with, couldn't get parts in a timely manor and they wouldn't cover warranty work. You order parts today and the next morning you get the parts? Uhhh, right, sure.
@@motorman857 I have no doubt about how Piaggio importers treat their dealers, Are you doubting I get parts overnight? Never fail to for 50 year old bikes! I am not dealing with the Piaggio agents, there are MANY suppliers of parts for Moto Guzzi that are independent and are amazing.
I have a Victory Magnum X-1 Stealth and I love it. I can stretch out on it when riding long distances and it's like riding on a cloud. I don't even need highway pegs. If I had to pick a 2nd place winner...for me it would be the Indian. I'm not a Harley hater though, they're great bikes, just not my style. The Guzzi is cool but it's like a bagger that doesn't want to be a bagger...kinda weird for me.
Can you guys do a Muscle Cruiser Shootout! Suzuki Boulevard M109r, Harley Vrod, Ducati Diavel, Honda Gold Wing Valkyrie, Triumph Rocket III, Victory Octane (RIP), and the Moto Guzzi Cali 1400! PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!
47 degrees is cold to you? I guess so.
James Lagnese thinking the same thing. Maybe they weren't layered correctly.
HeliEnthusiast Maybe they're FWPs or maybe it just doesn't get cold there. When I moved to AZ, I saw people in parkas when it went down to 32 and I'm in tee shirt and shorts.
Hey James, where's the love? The wind chill at 75 mph is 33° F which is pretty cold if you don't bring warm enough clothes, like Troy did.
+Evans Brasfield : I've been reading you for awhile. I think Motorcycle Cruiser was the first book I read your work, when Jamie was there. Anyway, I lived in Iowa for 9+ years and if I wanted to ride on a winter day just to get out, I had to deal with it. My current ride I've had to over 6 years has a heated seat and grips which helps. I usually turn them on when I get near or about 40 degrees and they're all the way up 32 and lower. My RT has pretty good aerodynamics, so the tops of my thighs are the only body part that gets cold. When I had a 1600 Nomad, I was a lot colder.
Nice production values, beautiful photo. Great show. thank you.
this video had way more potential. i woulda loved to ride the bije and partake in a review. my hat goes out to indian.
I've tried windshields, they suck. My full face helmet is all I need. So Evans Brasfield, did you ever get some from Jamie Elvidge?
Kind of strange how only Victory got a sigh for "love it or hate it styling".
I believe the same may be said for all of these motorcycles. Even the Street Glide, which may have the style you expect does not necessarily mean you are gong to like it.
The MGX looks the most like it belongs to a costumed superhero, but that doesn't make it pretty.
I miss the days when motor-journalist would write articles that actually offered riding impressions instead of just petty criticisms. That is why i stopped subscribing to magazines.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure someone out there on some planet thinks Rosie O'Donnell is attractive.
I'll tell ya from experiance, my Guzzi Audace will chug right up from 20mph to 40 in 5th gear and after that its screaming. It pulls like a mack truck.
I've a Guzzi too, some sportbike in Italy are made with Guzzi's big block engine, the same of your Audace and MGX for example ruclips.net/video/5ItQIgQe3vg/видео.html
No more Victory bikes being made---- such a shame
HD is the most simplest perfect bike still! That Indian & victory sound best! Trying to avoid wind on a motorcycle means u need to just take your car with you. Lol
the Guzzi for me all day.
I'm digging that Guzzi
People. I just got a 2017 Street Glide Special. If you've never road a Hard Tail ride this. It is the roughest riding bike . I really can't believe how hard it rides. The rear shocks makes no sense. The left one is adjustable, the right one isn't. Looks like they put the wrong shocks on. Other than the ride I Love it. I will do something about the ride soon.
ADJUST IT IF IT'S TO HARD.
The new shocks on street glides are horrible
ken olson mine works just fine
I have a great idea, stop looking for potholes to ride through as if you're on a dirtbike.
would've liked to see more of the bikes in action.
I’m all about riding with jugs in the wind
I owned a 2014 Street Glide Special and my brother-in-law owned an Indian Chieftain and I preferred my Harley over the Chieftain when it came to riding position.
Would've helped if you guys stated your height when talking about wind buffeting. I'd take the Indian hands down.
Short. Most of them are short...Which seems to be a them with motojournalists. Not enough Mike Seate and Sean Alexander on tests.
I'm 5'6", but even a 2" difference in rider height can make a significant difference in their bike impressions regarding seating position, stretch, fairing/windshield buffeting, etc...
Kcducttaper1 Even at 6'5, fit is important.
James Lagnese
For sure. I'm just saying the ideal windshield height for a 5'6" guy is significantly different from the ideal height for a 6'5" guy, or even a 5'8" guy, so it would be very helpful if they mentioned how tall they were when talking about windshield height.
Valid point. I'm 5'11". Tom is about the same. John and Troy are about 5'8".
I'm looking to get into riding but don't know if I want a cruiser, sportbike, or a naked. Any tips you can offer. Don't worry I'd be getting an entry level bike.
joshua holmes i can chime in ive had juat about every bike outhere personally am a harley fan but ive always had at least two bikes. what do plan on using you bike for? weekend ride? commuting? how much money u wanna spend? how tall are you? how long u bee riding. lol sorry just try to help ppl out that want to join the sport.
Jesus H Medrano
Well I'm 5 foot 8 and as I said I'm looking to get into riding. I've never ridden anything but a bicycle but I intend to ride on a regular basis. As for how much I'd want to spend well there's the kicker because even though I'm more partial to cruisers I wouldn't say no to a sport bike or a naked if I liked how they felt.
joshua holmes as a firdt bike i woulf definitely recomend a cruiser one comes to mind. kawasaki vulcan custom or classic 2007 and up. heres why, its low rides good cheap fuel injected, reliable quick gas efficiente and just.plain easy to ride. that will let u know if ur a cruiser kinda of guy its an awesome cruiser for the money. after that a harley dyna would be the next step up. as far as sport bikes i would recommned to stay away from for the first year youll know in the first year if ur a cruiser guy or sport bike. comes down to how much u ride ive taken that vulcan from san francisco to vegas. couldnt do thay with my sport bikes.
Jesus H Medrano
So you wouldn't recommend getting something like the Yamaha R3, Ninja 300/250, Honda cbr250/300, or the Honda cbf300(NAKED BIKE)? I've heard very good things about the Kawasaki Vulcan S I'm just thinking if I go cruiser I'll be buying it used whereas with the entry level sport bikes they are only a few grand so I wouldn't feel so bad getting a used one. The problem with sport bikes is if I looked at a used one there is no guarantee the previous owner didn't just beat it to death.
joshua holmes the 300cc bijes which i have had are just.plain underpowered josh. now with that neing said they underpowered here.im the us not.sure if u live here in the us. also even if u thought it was ok u would grow out of it very very fast, that i would buy used because.usually.owners are first timers and they grow put of it fast so they dont.reallt beat.them up. ur first.bike should be used cuz odds are its gonna be ur first bike after that one u can actually.buy a new.one that u know u will.keep for a while. it.took me 3 new bikes till i kept one for a while.and they wer.new lost.alot.of.money. it does sound like ur.more.into sportbike so get that 300cc aa ur firsr bike but save some.money and buy it used they are incredible.simple so its hard for them to brek down specially a honda or.yamaha.
hate life at 47°??? that's perfect weather. I have been riding in high teens/low 20s for the past month.
I doubt any of these bikes will place most riders in the sweet spot for handling, and buffeting out of the box.
The Chieftain I have needed some tuning.
It was sensitive to heavy OKC cross wind and buffeting out of the crate.
I moved the handle bars to push me back in the seat.
The difference was huge. It moved me into a sweet spot for balance and control that is pretty incredible for an 850 lb bike or any bike. The handling is now my favorite thing about the bike. I was to far forward with the dealer setup.
Before I moved back I also had some buffeting and reverse air flow at around 100. Now that is gone as well and I can tune the airflow around my head and shoulders with the electric windshield at different speeds.
I almost wish I was taller, I wonder if the bike would be even better if I was over 6' and bought the factory seat for taller people and moved farther back.
Today, the bike turns and changes lanes at speed much like my 300 lb dirt bike, a light push on the bar, slight lean, another quick lean to straighten it up and you are very predictably in the next lane.
Group riding in heavy wind I can ride the bike on either white line from 60 to 100 and it needs little or no input from me.
I don't like air in the rear shock. It changes the balance and the ride. The book says 0 air up to 200 lbs, I'd say 300.
When you dial this bike's chassis in, it is pretty incredible to ride. It's a little stiff for suspension travel but the chip shuts the gas off at 120 and stiff is needed at speed.
The only other issue I can recall was raising the headlight. With the factory set, I was overdriving low beam at about 45 mph in feet traveled.
It's an easy adjust with the provided Allen wrench, now the low beam is ok for about 70 and the hi and spots give me enough light to hit the chip at night and see ok.
It didn't take much to dial the bike in but the difference is pretty amazing in both ride ability and comfort.
Oh, did I say, "I love this bike".
Once dialed in, it's been ridden pretty hard. I hasn't asked for anything, it uses no oil between changes and gets one every 5000 miles.
The chieftain loved the power package of cams air cleaner and pipes. It tries to rip the rear tire off the bike in 3rd gear and hits the chip at 120 in 4th gear.
If you have room to ride a tank of gas out at 120, you will need another tank of gas in about 95 miles, but even the sport bikes will be somewhere behind you by then. I really don't remember even seeing any of the stuff I've passed again the same day and this bike will do it day after day.
I love the bags and electric locks. Each bag hauls 36 bottles of water beer or pop. Today they have a bunch of junk, 2 leather jackets, one sweatshirt half a dozen bottles of water and a Walmart chicken in them.
Last night I rode it out to the sprint car races and had people gather around it and take its picture.
What's not to like about this bike?
I'll never diss another brand of bike, but this is really a great bike.
So, tell me about the competition, I don't want to miss anything and if there is anything better I'd like to buy one.
*Yawn*
That magnum looks awesome!
You state that the Guzzi has "jugs in the wind". So does my 44DD girlfriend, who adds a back rest factor to any bike I ride with her. I bet that cranky old grey dude would smile with that option!
I test Road the Magnum it is lowered an inch and a half in the rear and I did not care for the windscreen being short or the raked front end then I tested the stock cross country it sits you upright much more comfortably has a taller windscreen and it far-out handled the Magnum in Corners in fact it out handled The Indian and the Harley in my opinion so I bought one. after 46,000 miles I rewrode the other two still happy with my choice. plus I'm six foot three, from the back of the driver's seat to the floorboards I have 8 more inches of legroom than on a Harley and 6 inches more than on the Indians. the Magnum is more for the city Cruiser if you're going to hit the highway you want the cross country or cross-country tour if you want to text Victorys best foot forward.
Agree! after test riding the CrossCountry, Magnum, Chieftain & Street Glide, I got myself a CrossCountry. Rode it on 2 trips with wifey as pillion, over 15,000km through Singapore-Malaysia-Thailand-Cambodia & same way back to Singapore. Wifey & I are totally in love with the CrossCountry.
I like the Guzzi. Would've been nice to see the F6b in the mix.
And the K1600B
John Pennington F6B pusher
Why not having included the Beemer ??
No Honda Goldwing?
It would have embarrassed all 4 of these. Throw in the BMW K1600GTL and hands down winner. But these are what they want to just call baggers where the Honda/BMW touring.
actually, they said its a fork mounted fairing class so this is clear disqualification for both GW and GTL.
But, you are very wrong with your assumptions, GW is very outdated now, and all except the Guzzi outclass it. The BMW is is full dresser, and again its outclassed by all other dressers for the purpose the touring dresser class exist, and that is the long range riding comfort. Yes it is the strongest one, yes it is the sportiest one, but no its not comfortable on long trips, since it has cramped space, same is true for GW, GW is comfy just for short guys, for tall guys its real PITA.
So go back and dream your wet dreams based on numbers, the rest will make long trips on bikes you qualify as subpar...
What a mama's boy review. Man-up girls!
So sad Victory ran out of business...
47 Degrees.....I love riding at 47 degrees with No Windshield at Highway speeds. 47 is warm.. I ride at 20 Degrees F. This guy must be crying if he had to ride in 20 Degree weather. Lightweight
You guys need an audio guy. Your mic differences are obnoxious.
How was the kawasaki vaquero not tested? Its right up here with these bikes
This video seemed half assed
Where's the Kawasaki Vulcan Vaquero? Great bagger at a much better price then these bikes.
I'm pretty heart broken the Yamaha V-Star isn't in the line-up and the Honda Valkyrie.
You know, we actually talked about including the V-Star, but frankly, with the displacement disadvantage it had, it would've been a bloodbath. The Valkyrie has no fork-mounted fairing.
Evans Brasfield the stratoliner would be in the mix, but not match up with the electronics offered here
Although it would've been bad for Yamaha, I'm thinking that's what they need to hear. It took them this long to come up with the Bolt, and was it really that hard for them? Honda too should bring back their Shadow RS now that the "sound patent" has been withdrawn. lol
One of the most pointless reviews I have seen. The majority of the review was talking about the wind. I ride to feel the wind, and the sun, and feel alive while I travel. I think these four should have taken a bus tour of the ghost towns. I have ridden three of these four bikes. I would go Indian, Victory, Harley in that order.
It's "Gootsy" dammit!
Not quite. In Italian all vowels are always short.
"anti flapping device????????" Does he mean a steering dampener?
No, he's not referring to a steering damper. Frequently, bikes with large front wheels have a problem with them flopping to one side during low speed maneuvers. The device on the Guzzi actually resists this tendency to flop. I wrote about it in detail here: www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2017-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride-review.html
If you don't want to read the whole article, just find the word Larry.
+ 1 ... No F6B . the big Honda is a battle ship with all 6 cannons firing at the opposition :-)
No frame mounted fairings in this shootout. So, no F6B.
1 - Guzzi, 2 - Indian, 3 - Harley, 4 - Victory.
Ho care's what you like it's all about what I like everyone needs to be that way
F6B would have won this.
No way, fb6 is not the bike people think it is. I've ridden them many times. CCT all the way.
Why did I get an advert for a bloody Nissan Micra come up ???
Gee, the enthusiasm from these guys was oozing hard, NOT.
They don’t like the clunkyness 😂😂 that’s Harley loud heavy thunder that’s what makes it awesome especially when you throw some good pipes on it so it rumbles
Why F6B not in the line up?
I love the clunkiness of the transmission. Signiture Harley and did Victory still exist in 2017?
No article link. Ugh
Here it is:
www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/baggers-brawl
Evans Brasfield wow Evans himself answered me, and as I would expect with a efficient and useful answer. Thanks buddy and carry on. P. S. Let's get the Dyna Lowrider S up against some appropriate comp.
That would be a hoot!
Indian and Harley-Davidson are both American motorcycles which every American should be riding. In the end you will have fun on both so the vs this and that is all in the mind.
John Burns didn't help this shootout at all. Keep that dude at the office next time.
37 degrees of lean angle on the guzzi. What!!!!!
You guys definitely had hard time talking about the bikes to give a clear opinion. Perhaps stumped somewhat and tired from the heat.
All short smaller guys, I am still looking for a bike for me..owned 12 so far
The front fender on that Indian is just wicked ! The Victory is kind of run-of-the-mill, and the Guzzi is a bit weird looking for my taste. But by far, ten years from now, the one with the highest re-sale value will be that Harley. It would be my first choice, then the Indian a close second. I'd take the Victory in a pinch. You can keep the Guzzi.
Vic is run of the mill? It's by far the nicest and most unique of all of them
You want wind protection, get a car.
You don't like wind? get a car then
my pick for long trips where comfort & reliability is paramount, it has to be 1) Victory 2) Indian 3) Guzzi & 4) Harley
On the Victory they should've use a CrossCountry which has 17" front in my opinion is better in handling & confort & it is much cheaper then the Magnum.
What a boring review didn't seem like any of you wanted to be there.
Indian & Harley tied, Guzzi and Victory(out of business to make room at Polaris for Indian).
Sehr schön Harley! Good informations.....
Burns sounds like he's talking into his helmet intercom.
Non of you guys were believable! Either you like baggers or U don't. It was evident that none of you were really in this!
R.I.P. Victory :(
Victory #1 by Consumer Reports. Harley looks like it did 20 years ago.
defilade 106 so good that people wouldn't buy them and Victory folded...
What is ur guys height I'm 5'5" and I saw the magnum for 17k right now I have the octane
Did he just say, "reading is good for you"? What am I, 12?
Street Glide
How could you do a bagger review and not include a Goldwing? In my mind a modern Goldwing defines bagger
These old guys SMH they need to take four newer guys 25 to 35 years of age and let them do a test review these guys were practically diead no life in them whatsoever no wonder the reviews of all for motorcycle stunk!Where is the excitement? All four of these motorcycles are bad ass!
These guys don't mix well together.
The Guzzi is the only one i would be caught on "Gorgeous" Addendum lol i just noticed the Indian
May be the worst review I have seen. Only to the ending to get the conclusion... Which is buy the damn magazine and read the conclusion because we aren't even going to say in the freakin awful dialog video. At least I don't have to waist my time on earth watching anything more from this channel.
So the only time Kawasaki is eaven mentioned is in the intro . 👿
These guys just don't understand Harley Davidson motorcycles. The "clunkiness" is actually the mechanical voice of this beautiful machine that is part of the story of moving people down the road. If you love mechanical things... then you usually love Harleys. And the torque of the Harley is great for folks like me who are big (300lbs of muscle) and don't want to have a bike wrapping out and wearing out just to maintain the power to pull me up a hill. Also... that little wop job Guzzi is only good for short people because people like me hit their knees on the stupid side-projecting cylinder heads. There is only one guy in your group that is tall enough to appreciate the Harley. As for the Polaris bikes... they are "also rans" IMHO.