Marvel Spoil New Amazing Spider-Man Writer, Legend Returns!
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Days after announcing Zeb Wells is off ASM, Marvel find a new Spider-Man writer. Marvel spoil the new Amazing Spider-Man writer in this weeks Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu #0. Most Marvel fans probably didn't expect them to bring a legend back and put him on Amazing Spider-Man. Joe Kelly is the writer who redefined what Deadpool could be and made him into an A-list hero. Joe Kelly also has plenty of experience writing Spider-Man. Wes and Dok discuss Joe Kelly taking over ASM and what fans can expect from Amazing Spider-Man moving forward. Marvel spoil new Amazing Spider-Man writer, legend Joe Kelly returns.
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If you don't remove Nick Lowe it won't change anything.
Yyyyyyyyyyep.
Yes this guy never will allow Peter and MJ be happy again.
Marvel Comics is completely incompetent, they have J.M DeMatteis at their disposal. The man who written Kraven’s Last hunt and still Marvel fails to utilize his legendary writing skills.
Of course, let's give control to the same guy who, when they gave him the regular series of Amazing Spider-man, did pure nonsense. DeMatteis, it's good for short stories, not a monthly series. and even worse it just exaggerates all the citations to make them ridiculously "darker".
There was nothing ridiculous about Kravens last hunt!
Have you read any of his recent work? It's hardly anything to brag about
@@knocklesnaractually, it's all great, shows how shit your taste is
He's not the right side of politics.
If they won't undo "One More Day" does it matter?
This is going to be yet another #1 issue isn't it?
Nobody is going to undo that, bub. Not that I wouldn't like to see it, because I would, but it's already a closed issue at Marvel.
Of *course* there'll be yet another #1 issue! Gotta jack up sales/flood the market with another faux "collector's edition"!! 🙄
@@bluespaceman7937they gonna undo it one day, when they run out of stupid ideas, some writer would see Hickman's Ultimate SM and he will say: "damn, this thing sold well".
Didn’t he write the issue where Peter said he sees MJ as a sister?
Yes he did
Pretty sure he was a guest writer just for that issue, so he might've been told to put that in for all we know
@@giggukardaguy9077 i doubt it
@@devanbarrios9216Me too but I'm leaving it a bit open on who's dumb call that was
@@giggukardaguy9077 his NonStop Spider-man was garbage, soooo.....
Isn’t Joe Kelly from that Joe Quesada era of being anti Peter and MJ?
Yep. Kelly was part of the BND brain trust along with Slott and Wells.
I hope they make a marvel legends Paul action figure.
I have mixed feeling that Kelly is the next Spiderman writer. Kelly is a competent writer but editorial is the same so nothing will change.
It is pretty sad that the bar at Marvel is, well, maybe it won't be terrible. Hopefully it will be competent.
Zeb Wells was "good writer" before this run, as far as you know it's gona be the same story all over again.
Joe Kelly wrote Superman/Batman annual #1 where Bruce and Clark go on a cruise together and are ambushed by "Deathpool" who is essentially Deadpool. Bc Joe Kelly was also writing Deadpool at Marvel at this time.
Joe Kelly is one of those veteran Spider-Man writers that I think is a very good choice in this case I don't know if this will happen is probably wishful thinking on my part but I wouldn't mind seeing Scott Snyder take his shot at a Spider-Man comic.
Joe Kelly has not been good the last 5 years or more (Non Stop and Savage Spiderman for example.)
Not going to be good. He isn't good, the editorial is awful.
Gable said best, nothing won’t change on ASM until Nick Lowe is kick off on the ASM book.
Loved Joe Kelly's Superman run in the early 00's. His Action Comics 775 is still down as one of the best Superman stories of all time. No joke. Curious how he will do 20 years later.
Yes Superman vs The Elite is the best Superman movie of all the times.
Joe Kelly also had a nice run on JLA following Mark Waid. He wrote "The Obsidian Age" during that time. A cool story.
Haven't really read anything from Joe Kelly, but I remember really liking his Non-Stop/Savage Spider-Man story. It started well, divulged into some kind of absolutely infuriating nonsense in the middle (to be honest, at that moment I almost hated it) and then turned around into an ending that was both amazing and spectacular and made the entire journey worth it.
If Joe can channel some of that energy into his ASM stuff, even the nonsense part, I'm all here for it. Especially after Wells.
As long as the editorial team stays in place, this probably won’t be a must read. I’d love to see someone like Jeremy Adams, Scottie Young or Eric Burnham. But, those aren’t exactly household names either. At least there won’t be talking mail boxes or Paul.
I have to disagree with Dok on the Spider man's in the early 200s . Forgettable , maybe . Disposed by fans ..not even a little bit . Wells run may not be the Worst , but the Spidey's in the early 200s were light years better .
The JMS run was not forgettable
@@zemox2534 perhaps, but it was fucking horrible. Extremely overrated.
How was it overrated don't say stuff unless you can back it upm
@@zemox2534 You're adding a zero haha. He isn't talking about the JMS run of the early 2000s, he's talking about ASM issue 200 and there abouts, around the Denny O'Neil run, which was largely considered the first bad run on the title as it's meandering and lacks direction at that time after getting rid of MJ and having Peter start grad school. It's a little slump before Stern came on the title an rejuvenated it into what would be its Golden Era. That said, the early 200s were miles better than anything Wells wrote in ASM.
@@zemox2534 JMS run was the worst. Made me stop to buying the books in that time.
I really don't like this. Kelly's Spider-Man was some of the worst stuff I've ever read and he also wrote the "MJ is like my sister" line from last year. ASM is fucked.
Editorial did that...bet
@@greendaleforever editorial can make a writer do stupid shit but I doubt they let him write that. Kelly hates MJ and will take any chance to make her look bad while propping up Felicia
@@devanbarrios9216How tiny is your brain to label someone as bad, who hasn't done anything yet and for a phrase that you clearly take out of context.
@@armandoat01 he wrote spider-man during Brand New Day (2007-2009). His stories were bad.
Yeah, non stop spider-man was fucking garbage. It wouldnt surprise me if someone told me that Leah Williams wrote that. But nope, that was all kelly
My main concern is every new writer will take "ASM" in a new direction. No commitment to continuity. What "ASM" needs is a writer who's committed to writing "AsM" for 5 years or at least 3 years. This way there is a direction for the comic. In the old days, writers came and went in the comic, but the storyline was similar between the writers. Today, writers retcon the previous writer's storyline and take the book into a completely new storyline. This was the case when Zeb Wells retconned everything Nick Spencer did in the previous volume. Is this the future of "ASM"? Will Joe Kelly retcon the Zeb Wells storyline? Kelly will establish a new storyline for 18 months, and then the next writer retcons Kelly's storyline. The new writer starts Peter Parker in another storyline for a couple of years only to be retconned again when the next writer comes on board to write "ASM". This isn't a good business strategy from the Editorial Staff at Marvel.
However, they've been a bunch of buffoons since "OMD/BND", and that includes writer Joe Kelly. What a disaster this is. I know Dok likes Joe Kelly, but as a writer for "ASM", he;'s abysmal. Now under his tenure on "ASM", the comic is going to be funny. Isn't it funny in a bad way already? Jeez! What a joke! I'm done following this garbage. Why get invested in this comic when you know whatever storyline runs for 1 year to two is only going to be retconned by a new writer who BTW will reboot the comic with a new volume and a new # 1 issue. WHHHOOOOPPPEEE!!!
I think this is a completely valid concern and one that is somethign they should keep in mind.
But in this case they should absolutely retcon as much of the Wells run as possible. Fake MJ, no Jackpot, Felicia had a cold, Peter immediately fixes Ben, etc.
@@valiantparagonvideos2383 Thanks for your comment. I absolutely agree. As an exception to the rule, Kelly should retcon as much as possible of Wells's run. The only thing is will there be another "BND"? Who knows what Joe Kelly is going to do. I don't have faith in Kelly's ability as a Spider-Man writer as Dok does, that's for sure.
I talked with Chris Bachalo at a con back in March and he said that he is working on a continuation on Steampunk for the foreseeable future
Like a Spider-man fan I'm so happy with the announcement of Joe Kelly in Amazing Spider-man. Your Spider-man/Deadpool was very fun. But I'm afraid that Nick Lowe don't will allow Kelly make significant changes in ASM. Peter and MJ need be together again and Peter need to stop in behaving like a adult teenager.
Bring back Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz.
Yes.
Can he continue Spencer’s run
i was hoping for David Michelinie or Roger Stern ah never mind i'm saving money.
Same! Or Tom de falco. I confirm I read no more
@@GuyR-c7u
Tom de falco
never gets the credit he deserves.
I miss Tom De Falco so much.
Sick of every year or two they start with a number one issue. What was wrong with the old time heros? Miss the good guy VS bad guy?
Television 📺, Breaking Bad etc. Streaming and TV has made Marvel follow "seasons" of about 12- 24 issues per writer
Legacy numbering is cheating.
No hope for Spidey.
Spider-Man is dead for me.
T-T.
I don't understand. How can they keep failing? Where's the money coming from to keep the industry going?
Who's the Artist? Can they do 6 issues in a r, You know what, I give up
I love Joe Kelly's run on Action Comics. Action Comics 775 "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?" Is one of the best single issues of any Superman comic ever IMHO.
Joe Keely still has it, read his Immortal sergeant from last year.
The only answer that would be for the whole editorial department of Spider-Man needs to be rebooted with people who care about all of the characters from Peter's supportive cast to Peter Parker as well.
Awesome work guys
Joe Kelly was great on Deadpool and feels like a great fit for Spidey-provided he is writing like vintage Kelly.
He also did well in Superman, happy to see him comin to Spidey!
I’m guessing my take won’t be as positive as yours. Bro was the worst BND writer and that’s saying something. His recent fill-in issues made me want Wells back. Just a CF of a choice. Should have tried to poach Jeremy Adams or given Erik Burnham a shot.
Completely on point just because a writer was good in the past doesn’t mean it still holds up.
And his 2 fill in issues were just awful, even the Dodson art was terrible.
Josh Williamson or Jeremy adams would have been better choices.
Long shot, but I think Phillip Kennedy Johnson would’ve been awesome.
Jeremy adams would the Great
Dont have a problem with it. Was hoping for a new fresh take. Or maybe a Zdarsky or maybe Marvel was able to dig Donny Cates out of whatever hole he crawled into. But a big improvement over what we have had
Yeah. They also announced the next storyline: The 8 Deaths of Spider-Man. Basically, they're going to kill off Peter Parker eight times over.
I really hope Joe Kelly can do right by Spider-man and return him to the fun, competent hero who isn't the punching bag for everyone in his life.
Don't like Kelly. He wrote Spider-Man making fun of a homeless man stinking. So out of character, does not get Parker
Not a huge fan of Joe Kelly as a writer, but I do see him as a much needed upgrade for the ASM book. Hoping they can pair a good (and regular) artist to work with him and that they are able to put out a quality ASM book again. It's been so long and the bar is so low, Kelly is really setup to succeed here. However, if there is no change in editorial, Kelly may find it hard to write what he wants to write. Still think Marvel needs to clean house and start over when it comes to editorial and writers across the board.
Imagine saying that the book is bad just because MJ and Peter are not together, ignoring the entire plot and plot development.
I just want ASM to be a good book again
Get new blood on art. Farid Karami, Netho Diaz, Ramon Perez, Gerardo Sandoval, Javier Rodriguez. Take one of these budding stars and strap the rocket pack on their career.
It's odd choice from Marvel, because Kelly isn't a long turn writer - he writers issues to fill in for long term writers or just mini series. I'll wait for an official announcent, because I think he'll be more fitted to be a "transitional writer", while they search for more of a "long term" writer. There's also the matter of Lowe - he's been a editor for, what? 10 years? All this editoral shift in Marvel and Lowe keeps his position? I'll see what happens in SDCC and NYCC for my questions:
- Is Joe Kelly gonna be a long term writer? If not, who'll be replacing him?
- Will Lowe still be editor for ASM? If not, who'll be replacing him?
If Kelly is a long therm writer AND Lowe remains as the editor, IMO this will be a bad thing, because we'll be expecting stuff like ASM #20 and #21.
Joe Kelly is a good pickup for Spidey
He's the guy behind Peter saying MJ was like a sister to him.
Do any of you idiots remember how shitty his Non Stop Spider-man was? No one?
He is not
I'm all for Joe Kelly writing ASM. My biggest problem is that I hate books that have too many tie-in issues to too many events. That's generally why I dropped Miles Morales; Carnage Reigns, Civil War, Blood Hunt, 7 out of 21 issues are tie-ins. that's so unbelieveably stupid to amount of tie ins. And i feel ASM is going follow a similar path. I mean, it's super early to guess anything. But overall, it's good news.
When Dok said early to mid 200s, did he mean early to mid 2000s? Because if he’s referring to ISSUES 200-250, that was when ASM was at its absolute best: Marv Wolfman, Roger Stern, Tom Defalco. Early 2000s was the JMS era and that certainly wasn’t forgettable. Just want to clarify.
He's talking about the Dennis O'Neil run between Wolfman and Stern. It was issues 207 to 223 and was infamous for having Peter treat Deborah Whitman like trash and having several bad issues. It did give us Madame Web though.
It wasn't great, but it was miles better than Wells.
Joe kelly needs to create new villians, a new status quo and a compelling mystery with consistantly hreat artists.
Patrick gleason for the artist please. Iban coello would be great too
WOW! Ok...this may be worth hanging on for a few issues to see where it goes. If it goes downhill and he turns Paul into some kind of supervillan....I am out. I also hope he throws Chasm, Hallows Eve, Spider Boy etc down a black hole.
I also agree with Doc. Just leave MJ alone, unless hes alowed to have her dump Paul and he puts Paul on a rocket ship pointed at the sun so Marvel can never bring Paul back. I hope you guys are right. I hope the whole Zeb Wells run is forgotten. Take Paul with you Zeb!
Patrick Gleason should be the artist the dude is exclusive to marvel ,but they hardly use him.
As long as they maintain MJ left Peter for Paul I'm out. Kelly feels like a yes man for continuing the Wells run, honestly. So I'm only worried now.
Also have to disagree about it being forgettable. For me it's very memorable as an awful awful run with the current WOAT story in the form of Dead Language.
That said, this conversation made me feel a little better, like maybe there is some hope.
Joe Kelly's a solid choice. He's done some good Spider-Man comics in the past. One of my favourites of his was Webspinners: Tales of Spider-Man #7-9 which covered Peters last days of High School.
Nick Lowe will be a tough hurdle for him though. Editorial doesn't have the best mind for Spider-Man at the moment.
I definitely think this is the worst run of Amazing Spider-Man that there has ever been. I get Dok's comparison with Denny O'Neil's run in the early 200's as those were forgettable stories with Peter acting out of character as well. The difference is that Zeb Wells has done a good deal of character assassination with MJ and Ben Reilly, which is going to be hard for future writers to fix. He also added some stupid additions to the villains, such as making Doc Ock's arms act like a pet and Dark Web. Denny O' Neil's run was forgettable but mostly harmless.
I am curious if Joe Kelly will have full control of Amazing Spider-Man or the editorial will once again take control and ruin everything again, because frankly my expectations for this book aren't really high especially after this terrible Zeb wells run which crashed and burned badly, also side note he also wrote a terrible ASM issue in zeb wells nonsense which wasn't good and also horrible. So in all honestly my expectations are extremely low these days in my opinion.
My personal ASM dream creative team is Mark Russell and Dan Mora. Russell is one of the only legitimately funny comic writers and he's great at using introspection and contemplative themes and wrapping them up in a lighthearted tone. He's also really good at writing believable dialog.
I don't see him as a good fit for a lot of cape books, but I think he'd be great on Spider-Man.
As for Mora, IMO his style is perfect for Spidey, not to mention his insane workrate.
Joe Kelly's got the chops! I say let's wait and see
I enjoyed Spider-Man and Deadpool so this is a maybe. I don't think he'll do anything to put Peter and MJ back together, but he's a capable writer so at least the book won't be an embarrassment like it is under Wells. Currently I'm enjoying Ultimate Spider-Man and The Spectacular Spider-Men so already have a pretty good monthly fix without ASM.
Imagine saying that the book is bad just because MJ and Peter are not together, ignoring the entire plot and plot development.
@@armandoat01 Sure I can imagine it. Especially since I never said it. They're not together in The Spectacular Spider-Men, which I said I was enjoying.
As a Superboy fan, we could get a Joe Kelly/Pasqual Ferry reunion
I’m taking a stab at I’m guessing that the editorial staff will give Joe Kelly a trial run if like his work and so does the public he may be turned into the permanent one As far is concerned I never blame the artist for lousy writing I've purchased comics just because I liked the artist Patrick Gleason, Ed McGuinnes, Mike McKone, Carlos Gomez and Humberto Ramos, the only comic I'm not the moment ASM .
Joe Kelly should have been the original choice over Dan Slot back in the day. At the time, he probably had more plate spinning with his Man of Action group.
Sorry if I missed it in the video, do we have the # that he will start writing of the series ?
Joe Kelly is the reason Deadpool became popular.
I'm interested in Reading Joe Kelly on ASM so i may Come back... But i also don't trust Marvel for not shitting the bed in one way or another
Unless Editorial screws it all up.
Joe Kelly had the best Deadpool run.
F all these events can't we get a run event free.
In an alternate world...
Peter Parker: Jameson, you are a menace. I want stories, not endless glamour shots of that Friendly Neighborhood Lizard.
Deadpool and Wolverine WWIII IS BAD.
I think what happened was that they needed a team-up series of the characters to coincide with the movie, but they waited until the last minute and ended up hiring Joe Kelly because they couldn't get anyone else. I think Joe Kelly wasn't given enough time to create a compelling script and ended up reusing ideas he scrapped when writing Deadpool back in the day, and that's why the new story reads like a filler arc and not like a special limited series.
The art doesn't help either, very unsinspired. I also believe Adam Kubert hired a ghost artist to finish faster and meet the unreasonable deadlines.
It's a shame that team-up book turned out to be so lackluster but I don't think it was Joe Kelly's fault, I want to believe he still has that writing sauce in him, and I don't think Marvel can afford to continue publishing an ASM series that doesn't sell.
joe kelly actually seems like he'd a good fit for spiderman
I think the fact that comic fans expect every single issue and/or story line to be “groundbreaking” is exactly what is hurting comic book storytelling.
I'm willing to give ASM another chance. Fingers crossed.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Pat Gleason has been horribly underused during his time at Marvel, and he likes Spider-man. I’d pair him with Kelley. Joe has written my favorite Superman story in Action 775, so I am hoping for the best here.
Joe Kelly might be great as long as editorial leaves him alone.
I never really cared about Spider-Man, I read the comics for probably 5 years and can’t remember a single one of them.
If you read comics from between 1989 and 2021. I don't blame you.
Hey there were some good stories
@@armandoat01 It would have been between 2004 - 2010.
@@armandoat01 The Zeb Wells stories are objectively HOT gargage, quit trying so hard and failing.
That’s because you’re a lying tourist who lies so he can whine
My only issue with Joe Kelly is that he has written ASM recently the issue with Peter saying he loves MJ as a damn sister ,I think Nick Lowe is jst gonna enforce his BS he needs to go.
do you know that it's an excuse to Black Cat doesn't feel theatre for MJ? What's the fucking problem with that he say that ?
@@armandoat01 the problem is it's fucking retarded he says that just for them to be broken up no long after it's BS writing regardless.
Was not a fan of Joe Kelly's Deadpool. Making him a goof instead of the more stoic smart mouth never worked for me.
I'm more DC than Marvel, so when you say Joe Kelly, I'm thinking JLA. Ienjoyed those books, but this is a different era. Good storytelling is aa some kind of slight, toward someone. All the comics that have been broken, I don't know if even a good writer can fix them, if they're under a system that rewards failure, and hates legacy.
Question for the week.
What do you think about yin yang yo ?
I rarely remember that show . It was funny. Why ask through ?
@@DarthSavage-jc5st Curious. Just want to see if anyone else had seen it.
Make sense.
They just announced the 8 deaths of spider-man story by him and justina ireland. Seems like it will be beyond era type run. So skippable.
Only good thing about spiderman right now, is humberto ramos doing the art
I've always liked Kelly's work in theory. His ideas for stories are good and he tends to work with good artists who fit the stories well. But his actual writing--the actual prose on the page--is often really tedious. I've felt that way ever since his Deadpool run. Great run in theory, but to actually read it is a slog. Kelly is often so wordy, with jokes that go on so long that they become obnoxious and boring. I think he'd be a better writer if editors deleted half of the sentences on every page.
Yes we are going to rehash the same old stories.
Its going to be the same as Mr wells.
Heck they even share their names on an omnibus.😢
I have zero faith.
You do not want Chris Bachalo on Spider-Man. His art style is just all wrong for the character, and Ed McGuinness' style now is not good for Spider-Man either. You know if they are going back to the well with Kelly why not go back to the well with an artist too. Say a Marcos Martin or possibly Jimmy Cheung. That would add some more gravitas to the run. And yes Joe Kelly is the man who made Deadpool the character we know today, despite Rob being the creator, Kelly brought in all the quirks and jerks that people came to appreciate and thusly help to elevate the character. And the best thing in the world to do is just put MJ and all the Wells stuff to the side and let Kelly just tell stories. If the current series is a boring as I am lead to believe, then just quality stories will increase sales 3 or 5% on their own. WTF20.
I have no faith in ams but I’m enjoying ultimate
How long before he joins csa along with wells
Marvel should just get Patrick Gleason to write and do the art. Give the man free reign and let him fix the Spider-Man line. I’d go as far as to say that the guy could do for Spider-Man was DWJ is doing for Transformers.
I'm not optimistic about it, but at least Zeb is off ASM.
Joe Kelly Deadpool is the best Deadpool. Ww3 1 wasn’t my favorite but two hooked me back in. I went from maybe joe has lost it to joe gets it. He so gets Deadpool and how to tell a good story.
Nick Lowe needs to go with Zeb Wells. Both are dire.
Nick Lowe still in place?
One More Day still in place?
Me continuing to not buy Spider-Man still in place!
Joe Kelly did great runs on JLA and a Superman title in the early 2000s. I thought he left the industry years ago. If he is not the permanent writer maybe Tini Howard? Just to drive you crazy Wes.
He's been putting out really bad stuff recently (ASM, Non Stop Spiderman, Savage Spiderman.) His most recent work before ASM is way worse than Zeb Wells most recent work before ASM.
I agree I really liked him at DC (probably moreso than his Deadpool which is also good.)
Hellions was horrible. What is up with you guys love for that book?
Nice!
So is Peter and MJ gonna get back together oooooor do we still have to continue to read about some shit relationship with some dude we don't care about.
It's really funny to see Wes throw a tantrum over Zeb Wells' Amazing Spiderman run, just because it gave the character a really significant problem that isn't so easily solved. I know that's horrible when that's what stories are about, man. Yes, it has had very bad things like this last arc of the spider goblin but come on, they are FILLER.
And I'm not saying that Kelly is going to be better or worse, but he has the benefit of the doubt and if he does something similar to what gave Wells so much success in his run then welcome.
I don't care. Marvel is dead. I'll be reading One Piece. Not this trash.