One of the fundamental principles that Mother Nature teaches us is, if you try to block a river flow, it would eventually either gets burst, in which case would cause damage to everything, or the flow would find an alternative channel to move on. Presumably the same principle applies to the world development.
the restrictions actually helped accelerate their growths. If the usa had left things as they were, intel, micron, amd, etc... wouldn't be in trouble now.
No, it didn't. China's Tsinghuaw Unigroup lost billions and went kapoom as sanction was imposed. There is really no other chip manufacturing that blossomed as a result of sanction. There is still no chip-making supply-chain in China and their most cutting edge litho by SMEE is 28nm, legacy nodes.
Unigroup not producing their targets has nothing to do with the sanctions. They are just one of many Chinese researchers and contribute partly to China chips self reliant. China already making 5nm chips, you should know that those figures are not really the real width of the nodes, even for those from Samsung or TSMC.
@@tooltalk believe whatever you want, but the fact is that they are becoming self sufficient. They don't need chips from western countries, not entirely yet, but will be there soon.
"Tech Dominance"? Why always so negative about China, or even badmouthing. China just wants to develop and be self-reliant, and not be contained and suppressed. Why described it as quest for tech dominance?
There is nothing wrong in tech dominance as a goal. Every company in the world is trying to have tech or market dominance, it is part of a free market system. Some succeed, others fail. These people are just anti free market. It was good when they dominated.
No new insights have been added to the topic. Perhaps it would be useful to discuss how US companies such as Intel, Micron, and AMD have been adversely affected by the trade wars. The slow pace of the Chips Act in helping US companies. Money is said to be allocated but never received. Where is the market for the proposed chips slated to be produced in the US? What is the cost of goods produced due to the stick and carrot policies?
@@wilmeramadoraguilar47 War use of Chips cannot make up the number of Chips China manufacture OEM consume on a daily factory floor. Since 2023, AMD, Micron, Intel & TSMC is feeling the lost $$$ as even US OEM manufacture fear that their "Added-Value" product to the final Chinese OEM product be effected by the US sanction, restriction and tariff. Worldwide OEM now prefer not buy USA chip to be caution lost sales.
You've forgotten TSMC now in USA whom factory WILL NOT go into manufacturing until early 2026, since 2022. TSMC USA project is costing Billions $$$, have lost 3 years life cycle chip development & sales with nothing to show after following Joe Biden lead.
RISC-V will in the near future put Intel/AMD/ARM into life-support. 😉 Xiaomi's HyperOS and Huawei's HarmonyOS when turned to versatile OS for Internet of Things (IoT) will change the OS landscape forever.
21:00 Commercial Aircraft: China now have production on their C919 and in 2025 C929 aircraft. They are sold now into the Chinese market, but just reported Brazil in Sept 2024 order four (4) of the C919. Yes Victoria, China has a commercial aircraft manufacturing market thanks to US restriction, sanction, weaponizing $$
Jai Hind. We STEM Indians arising from the humongous 1.5 billions smart Indian population alive today will be at the head of frontier technology as the Made in India 2030 Tech drones
Having cheap stuff takes second place to keeping the US secure. Either by strengthening the nation by being a producer or limiting the other by all means deemed necessary. Not the best idea for some companies and pricer items at home but it is what it is.
How has China threatened US security? Seems imaginary. So for an imaginary threat, you are advocating a lose-lose proposition instead of a win-win coexistence. Is that the best path for the average American? Or is your hate so strong you just want China to suffer no matter what?
How much this was said before in China that brought China’s Century of Humiliation 1839-1949 & CCP into play. For that and many others reason, China will not close it's door, but will manage China's growth. China manufacturing no longer cheap stuff anymore for those are outsource... They make product the world want, needed at a great price & timely service. Time to forget China is cheap. Tiangong space station
One of the fundamental principles that Mother Nature teaches us is, if you try to block a river flow, it would eventually either gets burst, in which case would cause damage to everything, or the flow would find an alternative channel to move on. Presumably the same principle applies to the world development.
nicely said!
Very well present comment !!!
the restrictions actually helped accelerate their growths. If the usa had left things as they were, intel, micron, amd, etc... wouldn't be in trouble now.
No, it didn't. China's Tsinghuaw Unigroup lost billions and went kapoom as sanction was imposed. There is really no other chip manufacturing that blossomed as a result of sanction. There is still no chip-making supply-chain in China and their most cutting edge litho by SMEE is 28nm, legacy nodes.
With multiple exposure it can make a 7nm chips@@tooltalk
@@avil8686 no u can't make a 7nm with 28nm litho
Unigroup not producing their targets has nothing to do with the sanctions. They are just one of many Chinese researchers and contribute partly to China chips self reliant. China already making 5nm chips, you should know that those figures are not really the real width of the nodes, even for those from Samsung or TSMC.
@@tooltalk believe whatever you want, but the fact is that they are becoming self sufficient. They don't need chips from western countries, not entirely yet, but will be there soon.
Self-determination to excel is "dominance"? Only hegemons talk about dominance.
"Tech Dominance"? Why always so negative about China, or even badmouthing. China just wants to develop and be self-reliant, and not be contained and suppressed. Why described it as quest for tech dominance?
There is nothing wrong in tech dominance as a goal. Every company in the world is trying to have tech or market dominance, it is part of a free market system. Some succeed, others fail.
These people are just anti free market. It was good when they dominated.
they are just media
No new insights have been added to the topic. Perhaps it would be useful to discuss how US companies such as Intel, Micron, and AMD have been adversely affected by the trade wars. The slow pace of the Chips Act in helping US companies. Money is said to be allocated but never received. Where is the market for the proposed chips slated to be produced in the US? What is the cost of goods produced due to the stick and carrot policies?
through wars the us can give a market to all those chips...
@@wilmeramadoraguilar47 War use of Chips cannot make up the number of Chips China manufacture OEM consume on a daily factory floor. Since 2023, AMD, Micron, Intel & TSMC is feeling the lost $$$ as even US OEM manufacture fear that their "Added-Value" product to the final Chinese OEM product be effected by the US sanction, restriction and tariff. Worldwide OEM now prefer not buy USA chip to be caution lost sales.
You've forgotten TSMC now in USA whom factory WILL NOT go into manufacturing until early 2026, since 2022.
TSMC USA project is costing Billions $$$, have lost 3 years life cycle chip development & sales with nothing to show after following Joe Biden lead.
a recent aspi report shows china leads world in 57 out of 64 areas of tech and science.
RISC-V will in the near future put Intel/AMD/ARM into life-support. 😉
Xiaomi's HyperOS and Huawei's HarmonyOS when turned to versatile OS for Internet of Things (IoT) will change the OS landscape forever.
Huawei is marketing their new phone product slog: Would not go off on you.
Doubt RISC-V has good future. Its development is too slow and no big companies want to heavily invest on it since ROI too low.
24:00 “Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, & when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.” Sun Tzu, The Art of War
name one american product that dominates, even boeing is a joke, tesla depends on china.
America dominates in money printing and instigating conflicts to sell weapons of destruction.
Weapons. The US loves wars.
Fake News Reporting ??? America does the best effort...
Import substitution does not have a wholly bad record... Far from it... Korea and Japan selectively did so...
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21:00 Commercial Aircraft: China now have production on their C919 and in 2025 C929 aircraft.
They are sold now into the Chinese market, but just reported Brazil in Sept 2024 order four (4) of the C919.
Yes Victoria, China has a commercial aircraft manufacturing market thanks to US restriction, sanction, weaponizing $$
Expectant
Jai Hind. We STEM Indians arising from the humongous 1.5 billions smart Indian population alive today will be at the head of frontier technology as the Made in India 2030 Tech drones
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Life finds a way. 🤪
Well said overall...
AI Generated?
You’re AI generated
@@AaronGrady-e1o doesn't this podcast sounds like AI generated to you?
@@ij4674nope, there are human like pauses in the speech. I don’t think it’s AI generated.
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Having cheap stuff takes second place to keeping the US secure.
Either by strengthening the nation by being a producer or limiting the other by all means deemed necessary.
Not the best idea for some companies and pricer items at home but it is what it is.
How has China threatened US security? Seems imaginary.
So for an imaginary threat, you are advocating a lose-lose proposition instead of a win-win coexistence. Is that the best path for the average American? Or is your hate so strong you just want China to suffer no matter what?
So I hope you think it's also okay for other countries to protect critical industries from countries like the USA ?
all means? you meant wars?
How has China threatened US security? Genuine question, since your whole argument rests on that assumption.
How much this was said before in China that brought China’s Century of Humiliation 1839-1949 & CCP into play.
For that and many others reason, China will not close it's door, but will manage China's growth.
China manufacturing no longer cheap stuff anymore for those are outsource... They make product the world want, needed at a great price & timely service. Time to forget China is cheap. Tiangong space station
Lol