"...they exited out of Formula One... they exited out of the IRL... they exited out of CART... they exited out of the World of Outlaws... and there's a reason for that, because Goodyear can't build a tire that's worth a crap..." this race proved Smoke was right...
In my mind Smoke was often right, especially about the big things. I know his emotions get the better of him sometimes but he's still someone I miss. When it came to certain IRL politics and certain Nascar politics, (im not touching his sprint car stuff. I don't know enough about running sprint cars and sadly haven't really even watched since 1998!) But in IRL/NASCAR, He was too right for some and that got him under more pressure from the press and scrutiny from whatever sanctioning body he was racing under. Im sure he wouldn't have it any other way! My long way of saying, yes you are so right! Hope you're good.
Also Tony George’s power in all of auto racing. He was the IMS president of the track for almost 20 years here. This race also helped bankroll the IRL for the first years from 1996-2008 but the next year ticket sales went down almost 50% percent due to the tire issues and the COT problems that turned off many long time fans. The Hulman-George family almost went bankrupt because of this and the IRL money problems. F1 USGP helped them to but same thing a tire problem made that race go the hell and they left 2 years later
The crowds stopped coming to the Brickyard after this and deservedly so. The Xfinity cars had a great road course race and maybe that might encourage the faithful to return for the road course.
Nobody goes to Indy for the road course. I pray they get the next gen car right so we can stop with the gimmicks to make up for the product the current car produces and get back to the oval with great racing that it deserves
@@zachschneider6877 Well, Zach, when it comes to the road course being used at Indianapolis, I'm still against that decision because I understand that ever since the 2008 Brickyard 400, it hasn't been the same and I seriously doubt the road course will help it be better. Also, if it was up to me for the schedule the last three years, I would have the Brickyard 400 take place after the Coke Zero 400 instead of making it the regular-season finale from 2018-2019 as well as replacing the Coke Zero 400 on 4th of July weekend. Also, Zach, when it comes to the Xfinity series racing at the Brickyard. even though there's a part of me that didn't have a problem with it, I did not like the decision of the series using the road course and if was up to me, I would have them return to Lucas Oil Raceway this year along with the truck series since Eldora didn't renew their contract. All-in-all, in the end, Zach, let me hear what you have to say on this!
@@zachschneider6877 there are rumors about the Brickyard 400 returning to the original oval configuration in the near future now that Roger Penske owns the track... I for one would love to see how the new NextGen cars do on the oval rather than on the road course...
Wow… only 7 of the drivers in this race are still running full time in the Cup series. Harvick, Ky Busch, Ku Busch, Newman, McDowell, Hamlin, and Truex
I remember this race. A repeat of the tire wars in 1988, but with only Goodyear tires wearing out too fast. The heavier Car-of-Tomorrow, an abrasive track surface, and the tires coming apart.
What sucks is that without all the tire problems, the racing was actually pretty close to a standard Brickyard race pre-COT. Tough to pass and not the greatest racing, but the COT didn’t seem too bad during the green runs
@@neallei5982 Just did further research, the test was done in April and the tyres were lasting 10 laps and Goodyear did absolutely nothing to rectify the problem. The race was doomed 3 months out. NASCAR didn't even bother to cancel the event - they needed the money.
Problem you have is that Indianapolis race fans are some of the most loyal you will find, but when they turn on something they will NOT come back... For awhile at least. Remember 2008 is only 3 years (still fresh) after the Formula 1 "Tyre Gate" race and was the same year as Open Wheel Reunification... I completely agree with you, I never want to see this race go away... "The World's Greatest Race Course" should welcome in "The World's Greatest Racers" from IndyCar, F1, NASCAR, and maybe even a sports car return. The place is special, and any chance they open the gates at that place is like God calling you home.
@@racermac1988 ohh I know I understand that and yes kind of the same but they had 2 tire manufacturers in F1 at the time correct me if I'm wrong. I think have 2 manufacturers is like that is never good for the competition. Indy fans are some of the loyal fans yes. But I think just from the NASCAR side atleast, Indy, Pocono, Michigan, Auto Club, have really gotten bad rep over not being able to pass, and that the racing isnt "good". I think the cars lacking so much horsepower right now hurt theses tracks. I'm Gordon fan and let tell you his win here 2014 is ranked 2nd for me only to his final win and all I'm saying is I'm die hard fan of this track and I just hate to see the rep it gets on the Nascar side at times.
Not just this race... the very next year, in 2009, Juan Pablo Montoya had the car to beat, leading 116 of the first 124 laps, only to be taken out by a BULLSHIT call on pit road during his last pit stop of the day :(
Anyone who thinks people abandoned here for no reason. Look up the documentary the worst F1 race. The same thing happened. Only three teams started and most of them pulled off during the formation lap. It ruined the track for F1 and destroyed The us reputation for F1.
Yeah the tire manufacturers tied to the racing series’ didn’t want to build a good tire. I mean except Bridgestone and Firestone. They actually cared enough to figure it out.
@@jefftaylor1186 Bridgestone got feedback from their American subsidiary company Firestone when racing in the Indianapolis 500. Michelin did not. While Michelin did not have any compound that could last more than 10 laps (Yes EVEN with THE hardest compounds available), but the bigger issue is that the Michelin race tires were defective and prone to failure no matter how hard the compound is and how they were made, had those F1 cars raced on Michelin tires in 2005 somebody could've gotten hurt or worse killed and by somebody it could've been a driver, a track worker, or even way worse a spectator. The FIA is at 100% fault for embarassing Formula 1 in America.
@@zanemarte9877 What I don’t understand is, sponsorships aside, contracts aside, why not just let those Michelin drivers race on the Bridgestones, And have a safe race that everyone can enjoy?
Even though the Goodyear tires were the root of the issue, NASCAR also messed up by calling competition cautions every 10-12 laps. They should've put trust in the drivers to back the pace down and in the crew chiefs to call their drivers whenever needed, which would've allowed the race to play out naturally, possibly even with a surprise winner or interesting strategy/battles. If anyone notices, half the cautions weren't for tire blowouts or errors, it was for competition cautions that NASCAR threw.
Everyone blames the tires and nobody blames the teams. Who else wants to make tires for nascar? They cost about $20,000 per team per race. If tires were invincible teams would run 1psi, and nascar cant regulate tire pressure. That puts goodyear in a box, because no matter what they do, teams will always push tires past their limit until they blow.
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"...they exited out of Formula One... they exited out of the IRL... they exited out of CART... they exited out of the World of Outlaws... and there's a reason for that, because Goodyear can't build a tire that's worth a crap..." this race proved Smoke was right...
Honestly
In my mind Smoke was often right, especially about the big things. I know his emotions get the better of him sometimes but he's still someone I miss.
When it came to certain IRL politics and certain Nascar politics, (im not touching his sprint car stuff. I don't know enough about running sprint cars and sadly haven't really even watched since 1998!)
But in IRL/NASCAR, He was too right for some and that got him under more pressure from the press and scrutiny from whatever sanctioning body he was racing under.
Im sure he wouldn't have it any other way!
My long way of saying, yes you are so right!
Hope you're good.
But Hes using it for srx
47:20
"everybody SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!" *wheeze*
way to disrespect the guy who died.
Rude
That not nice
Pit reporter: "Tony, what happened out there in the closing laps?" Smoke's response: "Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company, that's what happened..."
7/28/2008. A day that will live in infamy.....
Ahh, fond memories. The race that seemed like it would not end. I especially remember the Kenseth issue.
Anyone here after the Texas 22 fall race?
Me
Yep
Watched this after the tire wear at Bristol spring 24 race
The race that killed the brickyard 400
As much I love Jimmie Johnson winning at the Brickyard I gotta admit this my least favorite Jimmie Johnson win.
Also Tony George’s power in all of auto racing. He was the IMS president of the track for almost 20 years here. This race also helped bankroll the IRL for the first years from 1996-2008 but the next year ticket sales went down almost 50% percent due to the tire issues and the COT problems that turned off many long time fans. The Hulman-George family almost went bankrupt because of this and the IRL money problems. F1 USGP helped them to but same thing a tire problem made that race go the hell and they left 2 years later
A.J. Allmendinger first career top 10
The crowds stopped coming to the Brickyard after this and deservedly so. The Xfinity cars had a great road course race and maybe that might encourage the faithful to return for the road course.
Nobody goes to Indy for the road course. I pray they get the next gen car right so we can stop with the gimmicks to make up for the product the current car produces and get back to the oval with great racing that it deserves
@@zachschneider6877 Well, Zach, when it comes to the road course being used at Indianapolis, I'm still against that decision because I understand that ever since the 2008 Brickyard 400, it hasn't been the same and I seriously doubt the road course will help it be better. Also, if it was up to me for the schedule the last three years, I would have the Brickyard 400 take place after the Coke Zero 400 instead of making it the regular-season finale from 2018-2019 as well as replacing the Coke Zero 400 on 4th of July weekend. Also, Zach, when it comes to the Xfinity series racing at the Brickyard. even though there's a part of me that didn't have a problem with it, I did not like the decision of the series using the road course and if was up to me, I would have them return to Lucas Oil Raceway this year along with the truck series since Eldora didn't renew their contract. All-in-all, in the end, Zach, let me hear what you have to say on this!
This aged well…
Careful what u wish for.
@@zachschneider6877 there are rumors about the Brickyard 400 returning to the original oval configuration in the near future now that Roger Penske owns the track... I for one would love to see how the new NextGen cars do on the oval rather than on the road course...
who’s here after the Bristol 2024 spring race
Wow… only 7 of the drivers in this race are still running full time in the Cup series.
Harvick, Ky Busch, Ku Busch, Newman, McDowell, Hamlin, and Truex
2022 update: Newman's retired now too, leaving only Harvick, the Busch brothers, McDowell, Hamlin, and Truex
And now it looks like Kurt might actually not come back
After 2023: just 4, maybe 3
After 2023, it will only be Kyle, McDowell, Hamlin and Truex
I do miss slot of these drivers my God I still love nascar but its not the same without alot of these boys
Always gonna miss your childhood drivers but today's crop is definitely more corporate and vanilla
One of the most important NASCAR races to watch. This is the race that ended the prestige of stock cars racing at Indy.
I remember this race. A repeat of the tire wars in 1988, but with only Goodyear tires wearing out too fast. The heavier Car-of-Tomorrow, an abrasive track surface, and the tires coming apart.
The amazing speed of the cot also contributed. It was a recipe for disaster for Goodyear
NASCAR did not conduct a tyre test at the track before the race
@@AlonsoRules A lot of things went wrong at this race.
Anyone else here because of how the Bristol dirt weekend points towards this happening again?
Yep. One overhyped race might turn out poo
I forgot about this mess of a race. Expecting to see another disappointment today.
Yes
nope, it didn't happen
That indy intro pumps you up
What sucks is that without all the tire problems, the racing was actually pretty close to a standard Brickyard race pre-COT. Tough to pass and not the greatest racing, but the COT didn’t seem too bad during the green runs
Thanks for uploading this
NASCAR did not conduct a tyre test before the race. The diamond cut surface was eating tyres, cords showing after 2 laps. Totally their fault.
Actually they did do one (at 1:12:28 it is mention) but it wasn't enough to get a baseline
@@neallei5982 Just did further research, the test was done in April and the tyres were lasting 10 laps and Goodyear did absolutely nothing to rectify the problem. The race was doomed 3 months out. NASCAR didn't even bother to cancel the event - they needed the money.
@@AlonsoRules the show most go on, the tires might have sucked but they were equal
Tire*****
I'm trying find out ppl saying texas 2022 same as indy
The race I call Tire-ma-Geddon.
2:47:22, even birds hated this race to the point that they chose Suicide by being hit by Jeff Burton's car.
Since them, the Brickyard 400 not will be the same.
What a mess. I didn’t realize they already had a plan to stop every 10 laps if things were bad. I thought they were just winging it.
1:37:32 Uh, DJ... that's not a good question to ask Smoke; I'm surprised he didn't launch into one of his infamous anti-Goodyear rants lol...
Today marks 15 years since this Tire Debacle disaster
I wish people would stop judging the Brickyard just based off of this one race. Like I would never get rid off this race.
Problem you have is that Indianapolis race fans are some of the most loyal you will find, but when they turn on something they will NOT come back... For awhile at least.
Remember 2008 is only 3 years (still fresh) after the Formula 1 "Tyre Gate" race and was the same year as Open Wheel Reunification...
I completely agree with you, I never want to see this race go away... "The World's Greatest Race Course" should welcome in "The World's Greatest Racers" from IndyCar, F1, NASCAR, and maybe even a sports car return.
The place is special, and any chance they open the gates at that place is like God calling you home.
@@racermac1988 ohh I know I understand that and yes kind of the same but they had 2 tire manufacturers in F1 at the time correct me if I'm wrong. I think have 2 manufacturers is like that is never good for the competition. Indy fans are some of the loyal fans yes. But I think just from the NASCAR side atleast, Indy, Pocono, Michigan, Auto Club, have really gotten bad rep over not being able to pass, and that the racing isnt "good". I think the cars lacking so much horsepower right now hurt theses tracks. I'm Gordon fan and let tell you his win here 2014 is ranked 2nd for me only to his final win and all I'm saying is I'm die hard fan of this track and I just hate to see the rep it gets on the Nascar side at times.
Not just this race... the very next year, in 2009, Juan Pablo Montoya had the car to beat, leading 116 of the first 124 laps, only to be taken out by a BULLSHIT call on pit road during his last pit stop of the day :(
@@dianeadkins-diorio1783that's not the track's fault
The day that many tires died
Probably the *WORST* Brickyard 400 to date
Anyone who thinks people abandoned here for no reason. Look up the documentary the worst F1 race. The same thing happened. Only three teams started and most of them pulled off during the formation lap. It ruined the track for F1 and destroyed The us reputation for F1.
Yeah the tire manufacturers tied to the racing series’ didn’t want to build a good tire.
I mean except Bridgestone and Firestone. They actually cared enough to figure it out.
@@jefftaylor1186 Bridgestone got feedback from their American subsidiary company Firestone when racing in the Indianapolis 500. Michelin did not. While Michelin did not have any compound that could last more than 10 laps (Yes EVEN with THE hardest compounds available), but the bigger issue is that the Michelin race tires were defective and prone to failure no matter how hard the compound is and how they were made, had those F1 cars raced on Michelin tires in 2005 somebody could've gotten hurt or worse killed and by somebody it could've been a driver, a track worker, or even way worse a spectator. The FIA is at 100% fault for embarassing Formula 1 in America.
@@zanemarte9877
What I don’t understand is, sponsorships aside, contracts aside, why not just let those Michelin drivers race on the Bridgestones, And have a safe race that everyone can enjoy?
Even though the Goodyear tires were the root of the issue, NASCAR also messed up by calling competition cautions every 10-12 laps. They should've put trust in the drivers to back the pace down and in the crew chiefs to call their drivers whenever needed, which would've allowed the race to play out naturally, possibly even with a surprise winner or interesting strategy/battles. If anyone notices, half the cautions weren't for tire blowouts or errors, it was for competition cautions that NASCAR threw.
Couldn't do that... Have to find every excuse in the world to bunch the field up and artificially make a "good" race...
tyres were cording after 2 laps but yes they wanted to make it exciting with endless restarts hoping for a big wreck
They were lucky the drivers didn’t boycott
Here after the Bristol 2024 tire gate controversy lolol
1:03:58 start
Thx brother🙏
Thank you
Watching this after the 2022 fall Texas race
Ahh yes, the 2008 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Allstate 400 at the brickyard. Also known as the race that killed NASCAR at Indy
My main question is; why did it take NASCAR 13 years to drop it from the calendar?
@@alexpeak16NASCAR never dropped Indy from the calendar
@@Farkle_8000 I meant to say the oval Indy. Never recovered after 2008.
the worse race i ever watched on tv. the only reason i continued to watch was just to see how many cars would have blowouts
Consider yourself lucky. I had to sit there and see the thing in person.
47:20 I heard that
bristol 2021 will make this look like a great race,
Both 2021 Bristols were amazing
The race that killed the Brickyard.
Some Fans Still Go To Indy For The Next 12 Nascar Cup Visits Following This (Aside The Indy 500)
i forgot how bad the race was and what cause the crowd to bad for this race going forward
NASCAR caused the demise of the Brickyard 400!!
Watching this race to see why that 2022 crapfest at texas wasn’t as bad as this
All because goodyear refused to conduct a tire test. They should've been fired. There's a reason they were kicked out of every other motorsport
Carl forcing dale jr
The race that ruined NASCAR at the Brickyard...
And Now Indy Road Course is better than brickyard at Indy Speedway
The race Goodyear failed
The 2005 f1 race has entered the chat
@@smudent2010 Yeah, Goodyear and Michelin ruined their tires
That flyby missed its TOT by an impressive margin lol
Everyone blames the tires and nobody blames the teams. Who else wants to make tires for nascar? They cost about $20,000 per team per race. If tires were invincible teams would run 1psi, and nascar cant regulate tire pressure. That puts goodyear in a box, because no matter what they do, teams will always push tires past their limit until they blow.
tires