Jordan Peele had nothing to do with Antebellum. They advertised it as "from the producer of Get Out," knowing people would assume Jordan Peele. Instead, it was produced by Jordan Peele's co-producer. And as you can probably guess from the name "Raymond Mansfield," he is not black.
i remember that. i got hyped seeing the trailer then went "wait, didnt he write get out?" (the answer is both kind of since he was a co-producer so it feels really weird they tried that to me-at least if he was only a writer it wouldve been much more clear who they meant) and lost some of the hype for the movie just based on that. i forgot about it because of the lost hype too, so now i have a movie for my watch list. thats something about this horrible case at least-aside from harsher rules with adoption that can stop things like this. dont have much hope thatll itll help, mainly because the system currently loves focusing on the poor families who are by default not engaging in literal slavery and are poor becuase they try to give their children the best they can.
@@kirbyizlife yeah, when Kat gave the synopsis, I was wondering if it was a Kindred adaptation -- or a Kindred rip-off haha. And agreed: Octavia Butler is one of the most incredible fiction writers in the English language, imo.
It infuriates me that people like this are allowed to adopt, but people who are loving but happen to be lower middle class don't qualify because of their income
Considering how much you have to go thru to be a foster parent and even more so adopting thru the foster system (which is pretty rare as they try to place the child with family or family friends if their birth parent(s) it amazes me that they manage to get past those requirements. They even tend to have home visits from case workers after the adoption to make sure they are adjusting well, need other services etc. Likely they do it in states with barely funded social services, but I'm sure it happens everywhere.
my aunt is a black woman who wanted to adopt she has more than enough money working as a lawyer but was rejected in our state because she wasn't married that was in the early 2000s.
I read a story about the opposite issue with foster care. The foster parent was not terrible, she was awesome, but because she was black and the foster kid was white...a cps agent randomly snatched the white kid away. The kid loved his "auntie" and was with her for a while, and he was around 15. Then an agent one day said to the kid "I'll do you a favor and put you you with your own kind". The kid begged through tears not to take him away. He hugged onto his auntie and it broke him to be taken away just because his foster guardian was black. I think about this story often because it's just so cruel.
So it’s black foster parents being held to an impossible standard while white foster parents are literally enslaving black children and yet the white child is removed for no reason yet CPS was called multiple times for this family and nothing happened
@@ellanina801I remember the Turpin children who were an extreme case of neglect. The underaged kids were given to Foster homes that continued to abuse them. The adult kids (with stunted maturity) were thrown into society unprepared. The funds collected for the kids welfare were also mismanaged and stolen by malicious people. Its heartbreaking.
On a side note, this is West Virginia though. It's difficult to get any kind of agency to give a shit about rampant corruption or abuse in that state. I used to do factory work in WV, I saw cases of factories run so badly people were ending up in the hospital with extreme injuries almost every month. OSHA was warned constantly and sent pictures. They usually sent a letter saying they weren't sending anyone and that the factory needed to change a bullet list of conditions (usually not the full scope of the problems ) within a year or so. I imagine CPS functions in a similar way.
CPS has a TERRIBLE record of keeping kids in the "family" or in the "home". And I live in Washington. We're supposedly known for more progressive support services, but it's really a joke. My friend had to quit volunteering for CPS as an advocate because they made her job impossible.
I’ve lost count how many CA and Child m*rd*r cases there are where CPS were alerted and did nothing. I swear they exist for money laundering at this point because they do absolutely nothing.
This is way more common that one might think & while the race makes this extra sinister. The fact that my foster parents had us (6 foster children) out in the heat every summer doing their garden/yard work while they sat inside or in the shade giving orders and I was the only black child lets me know often they don't care about race & more about people not seeing children as people especially if you didn't raise or birth those children, but considering how many black & brown children end up in the systems and white couples are usually who adopt or participate in the foster system means this wasnt the first or last time this will happen 😡.
Yeah i think that there are a lot of layers. It’s really horrible. In utah its legal to exploit the labor of children as long as they aren’t other people’s children.
Yeah, in Eastern Europe it's a main reason for people to adopt/foster children - workforce! They even justify it, saying it's for establishing discipline and shit... Like a actually there would be a tv-show, where the family with several adopted children would proudly show how they give children all the shores, like feeding animal, working garden, milking cows, cleaning etc... A children seem to be "happy" because adoption homes and orphanages are even worse, and they don't want to go back there. I'm sure it's a common thing in the world, especially 2 and 3 world countries...
People say this unseriously all the time, but I genuinely have lost faith in humanity after this. Something inside of me feels bottomed-out just from realizing that this is a thing that can occur. Just.. what the fuck.
@@cardboard2night in pre industrial scandinavia it was almost only farmers who took in foster children,more hands meant more production and you just had to hope you got to some place where they didnt treat you too bad. but in a time when people worked themselves to death in the fields its hard to know now how many of the children that were treated worse than those with blood related parents . Today its almost impossible to adopt or be foster parents in denmark,you have to have some sort of nurse or doctor education and the economic demands to be approved are insane,but even here and although very rare ,it still happens that some evil idiot slips through the system and mistreat children they have as adoptees or foster children. I dont think you can ever get completly rid of evil and they will always have some way to justify it to themselves,race,the children should be happy to be taken ind,the children are not behaving well ect ect.
This is making me think of the Hart "family", where two white "moms" drove themselves and all their Black adopted children off a cliff. The couple had been investigated for child abuse in several states. Social workers who visited the home while the kids were living there saw next to no evidence of child-appropriate spaces, no toys, no decorations, and only a couple board games. At one point, one of the boys was forced to hug a cop at a protest; an image which went viral for all the wrong reasons. My mind still can't wrap around how much misery those children experienced.
i 100% believe the cops were not interested in the case bc that photo gave them free marketing. one of the kids is still missing and iirc is the same kid from that picture
Some people want power to help others... some people want power to abuse others... and no matter how many policies and social justice movements are passed... nothing changes. Even being hunted down by law enforcement or private entities doesn't change anything. Evil people want to be evil and use every weapon on earth to carry out their twisted fantasies.
In concern to how flawed the foster care system is, I met an adoptee when I was hospitalized at 14. She was my roommate, a bit younger than me but was unbelievably kind. Taught me card games and got along with most people on our unit. I remember one day when it was her turn to call her (adoptive) parents. At first it was fine, up until she started getting upset. Then increasingly frustrated. She had been there for around 1-3 months at that point, but wasn’t told why. Suddenly she started crying, eventually raising her voice and asking them, “Why did you adopt me if you didn’t want me?” Slamming the phone on the receiver and curling into a ball. Turns out her parents left her there, not out of necessity, but because they didn’t want to take care of her. She had been in and out of homes, this had to be the nth time she was adopted. I hope and pray that she’s doing better now.
There's also a lot of "re-homing" children that goes on, esp kids that have behavioral issues that the parents couldn't handle. They just put up pics online of the kids as if they are pets! Barely any checking of their fitness as parents, living conditions etc. No documentation.
@@minngael oof i remember the case of that youtube family vlogger, who adopted a chinese boy with autism (knowing the diagnosis) making a ton of content of him and then rehomed him after discovering that caring for a disabled child with trauma and a language barrier is actually difficult. these people should never have been allowed to adopt
I agree, I am also tired of slave narratives on movies involving black people. Give me black Sci- fi, black fantasy, black suspense. ANYTHING BESIDES SLAVES (and romance) Also: I've said for years the adoption system in America is f'd. Not enough oversight for the amount of people who want to adopt but can't or people who can adopt but shouldn't
I was watching this movie where Keke Palmer's character was the protagonist. Judging from the picture for the movie, I thought it was going to be some Coffey/ fox brown inspired movie. It kinda was, but it was mostly a slave movie. It wasn't that bad. I just didn't want to see another slave movie.
When I was a kid my grandma told me in some parts of the Deep South people said there were still slaves. I was a kid so I couldn't even comprehend what she was saying. I just brushed it off as old wise tales. Trust me these ain't the only cases. Smh
Unrelated, not sure if autocorrect is to blame but for a second I thought my life was a lie and that I had been using the phrase "old wives tales" when it should have been "old wise tales". Had to look it up to double check, it is "wives" but wise sounded so plausible can't blame you for thinking that
@@DeathnoteBB i work at a DMV and we push an anti trafficking group called "Trucker's Against Trafficking" super hard to the public. the interstate highway system is infested with traffickers that will take a person halfway across the country in a day. the group provides education to truck drivers on what to look for and what to do if they witness someone being victimized while they're on a job.
hey Kat! love this video, especially as a queer indigenous person who plans on transracially adopting. i love your perspective, but for native people, there is a huge history of the systemic threat of our families being torn apart by the government as a way to erase our culture and often send children into human trafficking. i’d look into the indian child welfare act of 1978 and the native american rights fund for more info. just extra context 🫶🏼🤍
Not sure if you're comfortable answering but hope I am not crossing the line: would you mind sharing why you plan on adopting transracially specifically? What Kat mentioned the Protestants adopting Catholic children because they saw them as "subhuman" and thought they could groom them into "upstanding" Protestants reminds me of the government/church boarding schools that stole Native American children, cut their hair, stuck them in white people clothing, and punished them if they attempted to speak their native tongue. It's crazy how Western Europeans and their descendants have used this technique literally all over the world: kidnap the children, cut them off from their own roots, and establish oppressive control.
That's definitely another issue with adoption and something to be aware of if u want to adopt kids of another race. It's historically been used to cut kids off from their culture and raise them white or Christian (or protestant I guess.) Before I watched this video I knew they did it to indigenous kids but I had no idea they did it to catholics (and my family is catholic) but unfortunately I'm not surprised. 😢 And during the middle ages catholics did it to jews (literally kidnapping jewish kids to raise them in catholic families) (and then accusing jews of kidnapping Christian children!) It's historicly been used as a form of cultural genocide to cut off kids from their culture and make them conform to the majority ideals to "save them". Today a lot of white trans racial parents fall into the trap of white saviorism. (Especially fundamentalist Christian parents) But I know that there are ways a trans racial parent can avoid this. I've met Chinese trans racial adoptees who were involved in programs to teach them about their culture, even going on trips to China! And I think that's great!
Blah blah blah I'm a narcissistic identity fundamentalist and a perpetual victim. I just can't. You people need to learn more about global history and how privileged you are to live in the west in the 21st century.
During grade school, there was a boy who always came to class looking and smelling like hed been shoveling manure. I was probably like 9 or so and I asked an adult if he was ok, he seemed a little self conscious about how diry he was, thats what did it for me. I was told that his family has horses and not to worry. Its news stories like this that make me stew on that memory.
It's absurd how little oversight there is after someone acquires legal control over a child, whether through birth or adoption. They're your property and you can treat them as poorly as you want for 18 years, just as long as you don't get caught. And even then, sometimes.
just plain evil. the kids put through so much trauma and dehumanized. thank you for talking about this. hopefully the kids get a much better future than their past.
This happens more often than one thinks. During high school, I met a girl with severe scoliosis, but despite how half her body was at a slant, she was fine. She was also a foster kid, and I won't get into details about her "past" life as it's very appalling and tragic. But we became best friends (and are still best friends), and eventually, the day came where I would meet her foster parents. They were pastors of a very specific church, which had a reputation for being cult like (even amongst other Christians). They were nice until they weren't. I saw them force her to do labor in their "elderly care home" where after school, they made her clean up after all the elderly (dishes, beds, floors, the whole deal.) They also made her clean up after them, like bed pans and such. She had to call in a dead client more than once (after all the trauma she had already faced in her young life). She had depression, so her foster parents put her on an anti-depressant, but what she told me was that she wanted a smaller dose because it made her feel like a zombie. (I also take sertraline, smaller dose, so I understood what she was saying.) They rejected this and increased it. I watched my friend change, and she noticed it too and told me she was going to quit it without telling them because she feared punishment. Later on, her foster parents decided that she should have surgery to repair her scoliosis. She didn't want to persay, she could function fine she just looked 'off' being at a slant (She did wear a brace 24/7) but because the state was covering this (as she was a foster kid) they went and did it anyways (of course they got lots of checks in the mail, none of which went to her.) She now has a titanium rod for a spine, an awful scar down her whole back that is extremly painful to touch, cannot lift more than 10 pounds, cannot bend her spine at all, and basically the whole ordeal ruined part of her life, and as an adult now she's told me it does make sex a problem because it's painful in many positions due to her back. She also cannot physically work most jobs, due to the carry limit. But hey, at least she can stand straight and appear "normal," right? When she returned to school (2 months later), things happened, and her family banned her from spending time with me. We had to sneak around to hang out, and I remember walking her home from school the back road so we wouldn't be seen (her pastor parents had people watching her around town... kinda creepy) to make sure she wasn't with me. She gets home, and I hid behind a tree as I saw her father come outside. He ordered her to roll up this giant hose and stack it this way and bla bla bla other tasks, all while I know she is recovering from surgery still and that the hose was more than 10 pounds. It was like 100 feet long... There are too many stories that I could share regarding things I've personally seen them have her do. They even went out of their way to make my own life hell when I didnt conform to their ideals, my own parents thought they were crazy. Day she turned 18 she came to my house and I dyed her hair at her request, and she left their home to live with her older sister (who also was adopted by them before she turned 18 and left years prior). She always complains about her parents, we always joke about things they believe or say (like how Harry Potter and LOTR is devils work because it promotes black magic). She is grateful that she was adopted, which is why I think she still visits them sometimes, I can't blame her for that. People will say "Why didn't you report it?" It's easy to say from an outside perspective, I used to think this way too, but after actually seeing how she was treated and how much fear she kept inside because of her past, it's like she feared being on the streets again more than whatever punishment or task her foster parents had her do. Trust me, she had a LOT to fear... I've heard the stories of her youth while being homeless. It's sad all around. I hope the system improves. Foster children deserve to be treated with more dignity and respect.
I’m a child development specialist, and what I will say in this case is that this is sadly not uncommon. The amount of paperwork and red tape it takes to foster or adopt is monumental, so there end up being too many children and not enough homes. I’ve seen many homes that are unsuitable for children (moms in active addiction, leaves pills out, etc.) where there’s not enough resources so the child is just left there because there’s no other option. There’s kinship foster care, there are ways that children can be protected, but it has a lot to do with state laws and resources allocated
I hope these "parents" weren't taking ideas for "punishment" from To Train Up A Child. One of the kids, a black girl that was adopted from Ethiopia, I believe her name was Hannah; she was pretty much indirectly murdered by the Pearls and their godforsaken book. She wasn't the only victim that died from being tortured.
Stories like this have just reinforced that we need to expand the access of kids not in a public school to mandatory reporters. The current system relies on a child’s surrounding community to spot red flags, but when your surroundings are mountains and trees there’s not gonna be much calling. Biological and adopted kids alike, it is far too easy to be hidden away for years. This story reminds me of the stories of high control groups like ultra fundamentalist christians or the amish than it does typical adoption.
0:01 In spite of advertising that implied otherwise, Jordan Peele was not involved in the creation of the Antebellum movie. I'd love to hear your take on the film for sure though.
i mean the 13th still allows for slavery, "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
As someone who grew up as basically an indentured servant and simultaneously was exposed to a myriad of other abuses, our father actually leveraged the threat of the foster care system against us often. “If you tell people at school, they might get the wrong idea and then you guys will have to live with some foster care family…” Of course, in reality this wasn’t true and we’d have gone to live with our grandparents, but we were children and didn’t understand that. Yet we did understand the very real danger of the foster system, especially in our area. “For everything else, at LEAST we’re not chained up”, was what I’d tell myself.
I heard a story, about Black people still living enslaved in a Georgian plantation in the 1970s. I think, this story has also been adapted as a movie. Edit: Also, if I remember correctly, Jeffrey Epstein targeted teen girls in foster care. Adoptees/foster care children are easy targets for every forms of child abuse and I wish, we took theit welfare seriously as a society.
I’m a transracial adoptee. While I don’t have an anti-adoption stance, I will say that I think it can be very…complicated. I grew up not just cut off from black culture, but sometimes forcibly kept from it. Not by some evil horrible people, mind you. But by 2 upper middle class, very well intentioned people who thought that was how I would get ahead in life. They wouldn’t even allow me to call myself black, preferring to say I had tan skin. Idk. There’s a lot I wasn’t prepared for in life because they tried to raise me as if race simply didn’t exist, which is of course ridiculous when my dad was often bared from pricking me up from school because teachers assumed he had to be the black parent.
The book Anne of Green Gables addresses this briefly when Anne matter of factly tells Marilla how she was treated by her foster family as an unpaid nanny for their other children. It doesn't get into it too much, but Marilla definitely suspects she was abused
They were expecting a boy, who could help Matthew around the farm. Anne lucked out, but what would have happened if the mistake wasn't made (in this fictional universe)?
@@res100483the boy would have worked on the farm (as loads of kids did in those days), gone to school, had clothes and food enough, and been subject to much the same severity and discipline a Anne was. It wouldn't have been a life of luxury, but he probably would have been better off than lots of orphans.
I was in the foster system. I have six siblings and most of us got separated. Me and two of my little sisters mostly stuck together, but my other two little sisters (the youngest ones, about 2 and 3 at this time) went to different places. I have no idea how most of my siblings were treated while they were in the foster system. All I know is that when we had weekly visitations with each other, my little sister (3) would cry and scream and not wanna leave me after the visit. My heart broke every week, seeing her try to hold onto me while a social worker had to pull her away. I had no idea what kind of environment she was going back to, and I still don't know.
I’m a transracial adoptee from Colombia and I’m still trying to unpack the trauma from it. My parents weren’t perfect and they’ve never made me feel lesser for being a different race than every other member of the family, but I will say I think they very much failed to prepare me for the racism I would and later did experience in a city with 98% white population. By age four I’d already been told another kid didn’t want to play with me because of the color of my skin and my parents didn’t really know how to explain to me racism or how it was wrong to have that kind of mindset. For pretty much the entirety of my middle school years, I tried to completely distance myself from my non-whiteness. I stayed inside during the summers to avoid being more visibly not white, I rejected anything my mother tried to get me involved with other Colombian adoptees and anything about my Latino heritage (admittedly probably too late to avoid internalized racism towards myself), and I continued that until I transferred to a school with greater diversity. The biggest part of my trauma that I am trying to work through currently is feeling disconnected as both a Latino and Indigenous person. I often battle imposter syndrome feelings where I’m not enough, and I nearly cried last month when another Indigenous person asked what my tribe was. Partially because I had no answer and that breaks my heart every day but also because being recognized by another POC is extremely validating and makes me feel less alone. I’ve often felt I fit in neither spaces, I’m too white for other POC and too ethnic for white people. It just breaks my heart that these kids had to go through this experience, there’s nothing that could ever justify the abuse and exploitation they went through. I consider myself lucky that while my parents failed in some areas, they never put me through the hell those kids experienced.
Conservatives seek out such a simple existence because the complexity of the real world absolutely crushes them. That theme exists across almost every value and belief from the conservative party.
I was also adopted and while there were some rough moments growing up, I'd say that I was lucky with what I got for the most part because even if my parents aren't perfect per say, they most definitely did their best to provide and care for my brother and I- my mom especially so, she even took in one of the older teens in our older church and let him stay with us until he graduated and moved away To pursue adoption means to step in and devote yourself into taking care, loving, and raising a child regardless of where they came from, people who abuse that kind of responsibility and use the kids they take in for their own personal gain are way more than just horrible people; they are monsters straight up
!!!! Kat, I forgot you were adopted?! Wow...I'm sitting here thinking back, and I've realized that I've been watching you, learning from you, watching you grow for the past decade. You've helped me so much. You've given me the vocabulary to advocate for myself and others. Thank you. ❤ ✨️ 🌹
I was put into the foster system as a child, at first I was scared ofc but excited because my mother was neglectful and abusive, and I yearned for good parental figures. My foster parents essentially used me and my other foster sibling as maids for the 3 months I was there and so when I was released back to my mother I couldn't of been happier. That experience taught me one thing - to accept my mothers abuse, because if I tell, it can get a lot worse.
As someone who worked adjacent to the foster care system for a few years, I’ll say that the foster care and adoption system in the US is incredibly flawed. It’s really dependent on the state and the foster care worker for whether a child is kept up with properly and interviewed properly. If those children were interviewed by the workers in front of those slavers or showed how checked out they were during the interview, no one would’ve ever found out what was happening to them. It SHOULD be that those kids were placed, then talked to and checked on for years following to make sure things are going well, since adoption is SUPPOSED to be for the child’s benefit. The issue is the state often burns out the workers who WOULD care about the child and WOULD be thorough, so the only people left are cold, checked out, and going through the motions. We’ve made a lot of strides in more progressive states to pair children with families of similar background so the children can grow up with a better sense of self, but I can guarantee lots of southern, conservative states don’t take those same efforts seriously. Our country has a history of stealing children from vulnerable families under technicalities or racist laws then indoctrinating those children to make them more “white”. I worked in Michigan and they had a long, storied history of stealing Native American children and white washing them to forget their culture and act more white. I think foster care and adoption are still necessary, but the government really has to start giving a fuck about what happens to these kids once they’re removed from their birth parents. Placing them back into abusive homes or leaving them to languish in group homes doesn’t help them any more than leaving them in the original home would’ve.
I think a lot of folks hate the system because it failed them, and they’re right to be angry. As children, they don’t have the option to leave or take better care of themselves, and the folks whose job it is to do that for them refuse to or take advantage of it. I even had a coworker that I helped move that fostered kids because his wife was fired from a daycare (wonder why?) and she wanted to be paid to care for kids again. They would’ve let a toddler run around an unsafe house for hours if I hadn’t watched her for them (they never asked me to). They would also take children fresh from removal and new placement and bring them to crowded public spaces while they sobbed. It’s way too easy to become a foster parent and way too hard to be removed from the system. I reported them for their behavior and all they had to do was take another short class.
It’s not surprising to me. I’ve heard many a horror story about the foster systems from the kids themselves and the adults that work in it. A lot of social reform could be done. At least to the befit of the children they deserve more of say of what happens to them.
Its stuff like this that really makes me concerned about like the further normalization of homeschooling, and also like the push to make teachers have to tell parents when kids are talking about gender as stuff. It feels like is real effort to errode the little agency kids have and give parents complete control of their lives, which leaves them so vunerable to exploitation
I was a hopeful adopted parent and I found only one organization that promoted anti racist ideas. The rest were religious organization that only asked about my networth.
As a black person adopted by white people living in Idaho i really struggle to find anyone who looks like me who. I feel like I'm not black enough around my online friends but i feel like being black is my only quality in real life i often have no one to turn to and just get told to stop "pulling the race card."
@@dizzylilthing if you do move to a place with a substantial black population i dont feel human i feel like a BLACK person like a BLACK employee BLACK customer more here then when i travel it sucks
I don't know how old you are, but you can try to seek out attending an HBCU. Two to four years of that environment may help you immensely, especially with contacts as your teachers really want you to succeed knowing well the barriers you specifically face. Hell, you'll probably meet a few black people who were adopted by white families. I'm trying to go back to one myself. Probably in Delaware.
@@butterfish-g9f I'm college aged i reached out to my birth mom and we've been talking alot though unfortunately she lives across the us. but im full sending my cdl rn but now i have that in my back pocket thank you.
You’re black enough my dude, don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. You’re also more than just your skin color! I have faith that you’ll be able to find a community of your own some day that makes you feel seen for everything you have to offer as a person 🫶🏽
In ireland the system is messed up. It's awful and it's been a point of contention for decades now. We as a culture have a weird way about it because of trauma from the magdalen laundries where "fallen" women were forced into servitude and had their children adopted to wealthy Americans and Europeans without their knowledge. Because of this adoption is near impossible and fostering Is like a set of chains you can't escape. Effectively regardless of if the child wants to or not, if the biological parents are still alive there is little to no ability to adopt the child. Even if the child was taken from a severely abusive home. I've seen this first hand in my community and the children of the foster system struggle terribly. Even when in loving homes, constantly hopping between homes to placate their abusive bio parents leaves a mark My partner and I don't want biological kids. We want to adopt and create a warm and wonderful home for kids that need it. But were also aware that unless anything changes its likely we can't have kids.
i have 4 adopted siblings, but they are biologically my first cousins. my mom told me that legally obtaining sole parental rights in a kinship adoption (which is supposed to be the easiest route to adopt) was legal hell and super expensive in attorney fees, even after the parents had their rights terminated. i simply don't understand how these people legally adopted FIVE non relatives so easily.
i honestly feel so bad for those kids. they didn’t have anyone else and for those monsters to put them in a situation like this is just disgusting. i hope they’re doing ok now
It’s a real reminder just how vulnerable kids are. People will exploit the foster care system to get a pay check, but people would also try to shut down foster care and safe homes in order to trap their bio kids in a dangerous environment. And if you try to cut out the parent factor and raise kids within gov or charity facilities, people will cut every corner possible for that pay check. The only solution I can think is that we have to step up for kids and make sure that they have more than one person they have to rely on. It takes a village, I guess
Kathryn Joyce's The Child Catchers taught me so much about the adoption industry. It focuses mostly on adoptions to the US from other countries, but unfortunately there are cases similar to this one in it. That book and Ann Fessler's The Girls Who Went Away taught me a lot about how many bio parents of adoptees never intended for their children to be adopted out. The book We Were a Family Once, which is the brutal story of the eventual murder-suicide of a white couple taking their Black adopted children with them, also touches upon how the system can steamroll families of origin with few options. None of these books goes into depth about the U.S. and other settler colonialist powers systematically taking the children of indigenous people, but I also see echoes of that phenomenon in this story out of West Virginia. I'm very curious about the circumstances that led to those children being in that shelter to begin with. I don't have any more knowledge about that than the next person. But a surprising number of adopted/foster children in situations like this have families of origin who were in the background fighting to keep them the whole time. That is unfortunately not rare among transracial adoptions.
"Antebellum" isn't a Jordan Peele product, it was Gerard Bush and directed by Christopher Renz and Gerard Bush. I don't want to be that person, I just felt those gentleman should get the credit.
I can’t believe that someone is actually defending these people in court voluntarily bc he maybe believes these people are actually innocent. Just wow. I wouldn’t touch that with a 40 foot pole if I was a lawyer.
I was sitting here confused/ bewildered, etc..cause my brain turned Jordan Peele into Jordan Peterson..I cant really quite articulate the ways my mind was spinning out😂😂 Yes, Id love for you to watch it and hear your opinion. Those poor freaking kids...I hope they get to go to a respite situation where they get to rest and get to be together in a safe, healthy situation. Thank you Kat for finding and sharing the IMPORTANT SH*T we need to inow about. Love you so much 😘😘
@leonacont6150 yes I know that lol but if I was a defense attorney, I wouldn't want anything to do with this case. Regardless someone would have to do it, but the way he's willing to publicly make comments as well.
@@Kennarrs And just the boldness of "that's not true and we look forward to court where we can prove otherwise" is just so disgusting. Makes me think he's as bad as them
Not a personal experience, but a girl I knew in high school’s family would foster/adopt dozens of children to get money from the government and the adopted/foster kids were not happy. The girl would say that they’re ungrateful because “nobody else would be willing to take them.”
That’s a rather common narrative sadly. Adoptive children even if they aren’t happy should be eternally grateful for their adoptive parents, regardless of any abuse they experience because “your own parents didn’t want you”
This is a slightly tangential but I do recommend listening to the This Land podcast's second season which is about ICWA and they drill down a bit on how absolutely cursed the adoption industry can be. You did touch on this a bit but there's actually a kind of dark undercurrent of adoption being seen as a form of ministry in Evangelical circles and many adoption agencies plug directly into stuff like crisis pregnancy centers.
Looks like my comment got filtered out- as a child development specialist, there are simply more children than there are safe homes for them to go to. It depends a lot on state laws, and I’m honestly surprised that this is the first case I’ve heard about in the mainstream. Child protective services is grossly underfunded
My brothers and i aged out of foster care, we were lucky to stay in the same group home basically the entire time we were in care. we were in what was called the "rolls royce" of foster care. we were subjected to many different abuses and were never listened to when speaking up. My younger brothers were locked in their rooms, had food withheld, and had the cops called on them when they refused to clean their room. (in which i was called over to watch the cops scream at him) i was assaulted and shamed into not talking about it; also had food withheld and told i was faking passing out for attention. And within all that i had it pretty good compared to the stories the girls that i lived with told me; locked fridges, stolen supply money, abuses of every kind, human and sex trafficking. The worst part is the mothers know what goes on at the other places and used it to scare us into behaving. Foster care was really important for me as a person my parents are extremely mentally ill and couldn't take care of us, i met my therapist in foster care and grew to understand the cycles of trauma and abuse that made my family collapse and grew past them. but my life has been forever changed in ways it wouldn't have if i was never in the system. With all that said, i am white and in my experiences in comparison with my poc foster sisters, race plays a huge factor in how you are treated and in the homes you are placed.
My recommendation fwiw is to stay far away from Antebellum. It is horrific in a way that does not feel like social commentary, just torture porn. It doesn't challenge the views of white audiences, it's nothing but traumatic for black audiences. At least as far as I've encountered, I'm sure there are some people out there who like it for very valid reasons. Now Interview with the Vampire on the other hand, is so effing good I can't believe you haven't watched it yet, or maybe you've seen it and just haven't covered it? Anyway yes yes yes, I am so hungry for commentary on it, I can only rewatch all the tiktok edits so many times 😂
Haven’t finished the video but the Antebellum film synopsis sounds very similar to Octavia Butler’s book Kindred which is so frighteningly well written
I was adopted, and I feel lucky that I was adopted by good parents too. I'm white and so are they, although interesting when they committed to adopting me they thought that I was half-black, but that's a long story. I get so angry hearing stories of abuse in the adoption system because even though I 'won the lottery' in terms of getting pretty normal and decent parents out of it, I know how much emotional baggage can come even from a good adoption much less from abusive POS taking advantage of the system. I hope those kids can find peace and better lives moving forward.
As someone who wants to adopt in the future, hearing shit like this is horrifying (it’s horrifying enough on it’s own of course, but the fact people use a system that’s supposed to help children to get slaves is so baffling to me. How can someone be so evil?)
Slight correction: Jordan Peele did not work on Antebellum. The two producers who worked on Get Out, Raymond Mansfield and Sean McKittrick, worked on Antebellum and thus the marketing made comparisons to Get Out.
i worked in a behavioral health unit at a children's hospital and we had tons of kids in the foster system regularly in and out. some kids would be there for months due to their foster parents giving them up due to their mental health issues, which were usually caused by trauma that got them into the foster system in the first place, or because they were abused or neglected in a foster home. it was heartbreaking seeing kids leave the hospital going to a new foster home and coming back a few months later after more abuse. the amount of placements a foster child will go through before actually being adopted/aging out is harrowing. i don't know if i would say i'm against adoption altogether, but i know this system is not working. there needs to be way more regulation of who can foster, and there needs to be more resources for these families. the mental health system is a fucking mess by itself so ideally there will be better resources in the future, but for now, foster parents need to be prepared to accept a child for whoever they are, even if that child acts abnormally and needs more support (and many of them will due to being abused through the foster system).
This is why I hate how everyone glorifies adoption and claims that every kid is wanted and loved. Cases like these and so many others are swept under the rug because they aren’t the ‘happy’ and ‘simple’ narrative that so many people want to associate adoption with, alone. Adoption is never easy or one dimensional in any way, for any party. I can’t imagine people telling these kids they were loved/wanted because they were adopted, then degrade the birth parents while the whole time the adoptive parents are treating them like this. Not majority of adoptions aren’t happy, just as too many people shouldn’t adopt nor even have the opportunity to adopt.
I heard they're taking kids from families at the border and funneling them to states with lax child labor laws and nonexistent laws on prohibiting child marriage.
I actually have a grandfather who was put in a foster labor camp. Granted he is a terrible person for what he did to my mother but I can see how his trauma may have played a role. It’s kinda disturbing knowing that I’m so close to such a case.
As someone who went to school in Kanawha County, WV… We would hear about Sissonville all the time and it was never good things. So this is surprising and unsurprising at the same time.
I was only nineteen when I had to put up with similar mistreatment from my mom's late ex, but I was only nineteen; I can't imagine being the ages of these kids and being put through this crap.
I’ve definitely heard some horror stories about the foster/adoption system. And I’m grateful for all the people who’ve shared their personal experiences of it on social media. I’ve been interested in becoming a foster parent but I’m wary of engaging with a system that can, at times, play fast and loose with kids’ safety. I’m also pretty iffy on transracial adoptions - I recognize that every child deserves a home but I am wary of White parents potentially playing out a white savior fantasy with nonwhite children.
And the fact people barely talk about this, like it doesn't still happen, when it's right there, still happening, Slavery still happens, it's shocking, but it still needs to be talked about, it sadly isn't just in America, it's elsewhere too.
It is really fucked up how the foster system has always been. My dad was fostered by a couple that used him and his brother for labor, constantly told him how stupid he was and why can't he be more like his brother, refused them the use of the inside bathroom, didn't allow them to have hair on their head until they were late teenagers, did not provide shoes for them, threatened to make them sleep outside if they misbehaved and followed through, and gaslighted them about their abuse. I hate that he went through all of that because his mom was doing what she was told would be best for him and his siblings by having them put in foster care, but I can only imagine how much worse it could have been if she had done what my dad's foster guardians had wanted and let them adopt him and his brother. And for him to turn out the bigoted piece of shit that he is just really pisses me off.
I just want to know why this wasn’t talked about more. I fell like I heard one or two articles about it then nothing. That’s sad. This should be major news
More stories like this will happen also just because the foster care system will be far more overloaded with kids due to roe v wade. So the few checks they had in place to stop people like this early might be ignored as they just cant manage the number of kids.
As someone who hopes to adopt or foster someday, this story is horrifying. The fact that someone could do this is utterly insane to me. How? How could someone do that? These are *children*. I will never understand the kind of person who would do this. Maybe im naive, because i do find this pretty shocking. God i hope those kids are okay.
I have Almost been placed in foster care a couple of times, due to living in an dysfunctional home. And one of my best friends is interacial adopted. So I am in a position to view fostercare more positively. However. Like you mentioned in the video, the fostercare system had the intention of adopting catholics into protestant families to turn them protestant. Not to mention how historically, native children have been fostered by white institutions in an effort to turn them white. There is no denying that fostercare is often a tool used by white suppremecy, against marginalized groups.
As a foster kid, I was used for free labour. I was also used to elevate foster carers status in society and the church. I was never treated like a person, not even by most of my bio family. Most often I was used as a trophy. But, I'm white. My siblings and I had it relatively good within the system. That hurts to know
Im a white woman who was in the foster system. It was only me and my sister and one other white girl in the house . I was in a group home where it was multiple houses on a single property, the foster parents were racist. Straight up. Most adoptees were unfortunately racist. Some of my best friends in the system would come home bawling because they thought theyd be adopted by a damily who expressed interest in them (almost like a dog) , only to be told nevermind. I think about them at least once a week, i have no idea where they are now or if they are okay. I hope they are because im still struggling and i got the best odds i would say
I was adopted at 7 by my great aunt (a black woman) she never liked calling me and brother adopted. We were just hers. So I wonder if black folks just don't talk about it as much. I didn't even know she had adopted me for awhile. This is Hella anecdotal tho idk lol *and are more likely to tell adopted kids they're not adopted or omit that part ? * like I don't see my half siblings as half - they're just my siblings and that was encouraged greatly in my family anyway.
*and are more likely to tell adopted kids they're not adopted or omit that part ? * like I don't see my half siblings as half - they're just my siblings and that was encouraged greatly in my family anyway.
after Roe v Wade was overturned , well this talking point was always around but you know how we'll say "They don't care about what heppens to the these babies and children once they're finally born; they just call abortion murder until the fetus starts kickin & get's carried to term. Well anyway after Roe v Wade was overturned my cousin was like, "BET" then she & here hubby spontaneously went out & adopted a black baby like it was a trip to the mall or something (wealthier side of the family on my grandma's sisters side so quite distantly related. Adoption is much more tedious for most people)
So Antebellum wasn't a movie I called good, but it was an interesting take. The woman is a political operative that gets kidnapped by white rich people and forced to live and work as a slave in a twisted live action civil war park. She fights for her life and escapes. Turns out it was taking place in a real civil war reenactment facility. This was a pretty in your face movie. It was kinda meh.
what didn't you like about it? i'm genuinely curious. i thought the soundtrack was sick, the actors performed well, and the imagery was stunning. the whole concept of love as a tennis match and how chani played those dudes like a fiddle was fascinating and very fun. i may be biased as a bi and poly person, though lmao.
I sadly hear so many stories about neglectful parents so I'm at least hopeful that the children gets a better chance at new life and recovery from their abuse.
I was in a fosterhome, my brother and me from age 4 till 10. My brother from age 6 till 12. My fostermom was amazing. So definitley no, not all people who take in kids act like this. Their is a lot wrong with the foster- and adoptivesystem. However their are certainly people who do really just want to give people a good childhood. What is a real issue is that their aren’t enough check ups after adoption. Also like Kat was saying, their are people out here that only want to look at the cheap labor for profit, no matter if the cost is others peoples lives. Very relieved that at least this case was found out and the children got out of that awfull situation. Also very good that the judge did not go along with this horrific couples attempt at bailout. Thank you for spreading this info and best of luck to the young children who were suffering this ordeal 🤎💛🧡🤍💙🩵🩷🫶🏾
Better to read "Kindred" than watch "Antebellum", IMO. It's too bad, because Octavia Butler's work deserves good adaptations. "Adoption" as a means of social engineering isn't new, and not just limited to Catholic children being placed with Protestants - this is still an issue with native children being placed with non-native fosters, despite ICWA. (I would recommend watching "Dawnland" if you're interested.) I also think this will increase in he future because the end of Roe v. Wade will increase the number of unwanted and vulnerable children.
I know nothing about the adoption system, but I had a classmate who I grew up with since we were 11? 12? She was adopted and we were classmates for 8? years. She was bullied for probably all her years there. I look back on it now and I can't help but wonder if, based on what little I heard/remember of her home life, she may have been abused by her adopted parents. She and also the other kids her parent's adopted. Anywho, about the video's subject: I was shocked enough that I looked it up immediately. Well, despite being shocked some part of me also wasn't as surprised? I mean, the world is huge and there are all sorts of people out there. That's both wondrous and terrifying. I'd be very excited if you did an Interview with the Vampire video! IWTV (the book) is what got me into vampires and LGBT+ media in the first place, so it holds a very special place in my heart. I would love it if you read the book, too, but honestly the book can be a slog if you want a quick read or fast-paced book. Anne Rice is very detail oriented and while she's got gorgeous prose, it can really bog down the text.
Jordan Peele had nothing to do with Antebellum. They advertised it as "from the producer of Get Out," knowing people would assume Jordan Peele. Instead, it was produced by Jordan Peele's co-producer. And as you can probably guess from the name "Raymond Mansfield," he is not black.
i remember that. i got hyped seeing the trailer then went "wait, didnt he write get out?" (the answer is both kind of since he was a co-producer so it feels really weird they tried that to me-at least if he was only a writer it wouldve been much more clear who they meant) and lost some of the hype for the movie just based on that. i forgot about it because of the lost hype too, so now i have a movie for my watch list. thats something about this horrible case at least-aside from harsher rules with adoption that can stop things like this.
dont have much hope thatll itll help, mainly because the system currently loves focusing on the poor families who are by default not engaging in literal slavery and are poor becuase they try to give their children the best they can.
That is so important to share. How disgusting, and sad. It feels like racist torture p0rn..
My first thought is that the plot sounds just like the novel Kindred. It was written by Octavia Butler is one of the best books I’ve ever read.
@@kirbyizlife yeah, when Kat gave the synopsis, I was wondering if it was a Kindred adaptation -- or a Kindred rip-off haha. And agreed: Octavia Butler is one of the most incredible fiction writers in the English language, imo.
@@kirbyizlife Was looking for this! Definitely sounds like Kindred
It infuriates me that people like this are allowed to adopt, but people who are loving but happen to be lower middle class don't qualify because of their income
The Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, rules.
Land of the fee, home of the depraved smh
hell how many queer families have been rejected
Considering how much you have to go thru to be a foster parent and even more so adopting thru the foster system (which is pretty rare as they try to place the child with family or family friends if their birth parent(s) it amazes me that they manage to get past those requirements. They even tend to have home visits from case workers after the adoption to make sure they are adjusting well, need other services etc. Likely they do it in states with barely funded social services, but I'm sure it happens everywhere.
my aunt is a black woman who wanted to adopt she has more than enough money working as a lawyer but was rejected in our state because she wasn't married that was in the early 2000s.
I read a story about the opposite issue with foster care. The foster parent was not terrible, she was awesome, but because she was black and the foster kid was white...a cps agent randomly snatched the white kid away. The kid loved his "auntie" and was with her for a while, and he was around 15. Then an agent one day said to the kid "I'll do you a favor and put you you with your own kind". The kid begged through tears not to take him away. He hugged onto his auntie and it broke him to be taken away just because his foster guardian was black. I think about this story often because it's just so cruel.
So it’s black foster parents being held to an impossible standard while white foster parents are literally enslaving black children and yet the white child is removed for no reason yet CPS was called multiple times for this family and nothing happened
That's so disgusting.
How can you randomly take a child away? On what basis?
@@dumfriesspearhead7398white supremacy will find a basis if they haven't already made one up
Did he end up being able to go back to her,m
The fear those children felt. I can’t imagine. I’m so glad they were saved.
I hope they’ll make sure they will actually be cared for and protected now. Some of these rescues land the kids in worse abusive situations 😿
@@ellanina801I remember the Turpin children who were an extreme case of neglect. The underaged kids were given to Foster homes that continued to abuse them. The adult kids (with stunted maturity) were thrown into society unprepared.
The funds collected for the kids welfare were also mismanaged and stolen by malicious people. Its heartbreaking.
Lets talk about gow CPS was contacted multiple times and sat on their asses
CPS = Couldn't Protect Squat
On a side note, this is West Virginia though. It's difficult to get any kind of agency to give a shit about rampant corruption or abuse in that state. I used to do factory work in WV, I saw cases of factories run so badly people were ending up in the hospital with extreme injuries almost every month. OSHA was warned constantly and sent pictures. They usually sent a letter saying they weren't sending anyone and that the factory needed to change a bullet list of conditions (usually not the full scope of the problems ) within a year or so. I imagine CPS functions in a similar way.
CPS has a TERRIBLE record of keeping kids in the "family" or in the "home". And I live in Washington. We're supposedly known for more progressive support services, but it's really a joke. My friend had to quit volunteering for CPS as an advocate because they made her job impossible.
YUP
I’ve lost count how many CA and Child m*rd*r cases there are where CPS were alerted and did nothing.
I swear they exist for money laundering at this point because they do absolutely nothing.
These articles should not be calling Whitefeather 'the mother' (or Lantz 'the father') when they're treating kids like this.
agreed! they should be called what they are
abusers
I feel the same way when media says things like "She was raped and murdered by a friend" Try a person she trusted. That was NO friend.
I think the correct term is "enslaver"
Right. And even “guardian” doesn’t work because they weren’t guarding them against harm. It’s disgusting
white people, you expect empathetic and correct wording?
This is way more common that one might think & while the race makes this extra sinister. The fact that my foster parents had us (6 foster children) out in the heat every summer doing their garden/yard work while they sat inside or in the shade giving orders and I was the only black child lets me know often they don't care about race & more about people not seeing children as people especially if you didn't raise or birth those children, but considering how many black & brown children end up in the systems and white couples are usually who adopt or participate in the foster system means this wasnt the first or last time this will happen 😡.
Yeah i think that there are a lot of layers. It’s really horrible. In utah its legal to exploit the labor of children as long as they aren’t other people’s children.
Yeah, in Eastern Europe it's a main reason for people to adopt/foster children - workforce! They even justify it, saying it's for establishing discipline and shit... Like a actually there would be a tv-show, where the family with several adopted children would proudly show how they give children all the shores, like feeding animal, working garden, milking cows, cleaning etc... A children seem to be "happy" because adoption homes and orphanages are even worse, and they don't want to go back there. I'm sure it's a common thing in the world, especially 2 and 3 world countries...
People say this unseriously all the time, but I genuinely have lost faith in humanity after this. Something inside of me feels bottomed-out just from realizing that this is a thing that can occur. Just.. what the fuck.
@@cardboard2night in pre industrial scandinavia it was almost only farmers who took in foster children,more hands meant more production and you just had to hope you got to some place where they didnt treat you too bad. but in a time when people worked themselves to death in the fields its hard to know now how many of the children that were treated worse than those with blood related parents . Today its almost impossible to adopt or be foster parents in denmark,you have to have some sort of nurse or doctor education and the economic demands to be approved are insane,but even here and although very rare ,it still happens that some evil idiot slips through the system and mistreat children they have as adoptees or foster children. I dont think you can ever get completly rid of evil and they will always have some way to justify it to themselves,race,the children should be happy to be taken ind,the children are not behaving well ect ect.
This is making me think of the Hart "family", where two white "moms" drove themselves and all their Black adopted children off a cliff. The couple had been investigated for child abuse in several states. Social workers who visited the home while the kids were living there saw next to no evidence of child-appropriate spaces, no toys, no decorations, and only a couple board games. At one point, one of the boys was forced to hug a cop at a protest; an image which went viral for all the wrong reasons. My mind still can't wrap around how much misery those children experienced.
i 100% believe the cops were not interested in the case bc that photo gave them free marketing. one of the kids is still missing and iirc is the same kid from that picture
Some people want power to help others... some people want power to abuse others... and no matter how many policies and social justice movements are passed... nothing changes. Even being hunted down by law enforcement or private entities doesn't change anything. Evil people want to be evil and use every weapon on earth to carry out their twisted fantasies.
In concern to how flawed the foster care system is, I met an adoptee when I was hospitalized at 14.
She was my roommate, a bit younger than me but was unbelievably kind.
Taught me card games and got along with most people on our unit.
I remember one day when it was her turn to call her (adoptive) parents.
At first it was fine, up until she started getting upset. Then increasingly frustrated. She had been there for around 1-3 months at that point, but wasn’t told why.
Suddenly she started crying, eventually raising her voice and asking them, “Why did you adopt me if you didn’t want me?” Slamming the phone on the receiver and curling into a ball.
Turns out her parents left her there, not out of necessity, but because they didn’t want to take care of her.
She had been in and out of homes, this had to be the nth time she was adopted.
I hope and pray that she’s doing better now.
There's also a lot of "re-homing" children that goes on, esp kids that have behavioral issues that the parents couldn't handle. They just put up pics online of the kids as if they are pets! Barely any checking of their fitness as parents, living conditions etc. No documentation.
@@minngael Jesus😭😭😭
@@minngael oof i remember the case of that youtube family vlogger, who adopted a chinese boy with autism (knowing the diagnosis) making a ton of content of him and then rehomed him after discovering that caring for a disabled child with trauma and a language barrier is actually difficult. these people should never have been allowed to adopt
It's bigotry mate... from the lowest janitors to the heads of departments... all are bigots. Transgender people face this most of all now.
I agree, I am also tired of slave narratives on movies involving black people. Give me black Sci- fi, black fantasy, black suspense. ANYTHING BESIDES SLAVES (and romance)
Also: I've said for years the adoption system in America is f'd. Not enough oversight for the amount of people who want to adopt but can't or people who can adopt but shouldn't
I feel you, I'd be really happy about a movie adaptation of The Broken Earth Trilogy for example!
it's trauma porn atp
I was watching this movie where Keke Palmer's character was the protagonist. Judging from the picture for the movie, I thought it was going to be some Coffey/ fox brown inspired movie.
It kinda was, but it was mostly a slave movie. It wasn't that bad. I just didn't want to see another slave movie.
yeah, surely there are other stories to be told that have black people? why always only slavery
The foster and adoption system is literally just designed to dispossess poor people of their families and reproduce trauma. It’s awful.
When I was a kid my grandma told me in some parts of the Deep South people said there were still slaves. I was a kid so I couldn't even comprehend what she was saying. I just brushed it off as old wise tales. Trust me these ain't the only cases. Smh
Unrelated, not sure if autocorrect is to blame but for a second I thought my life was a lie and that I had been using the phrase "old wives tales" when it should have been "old wise tales". Had to look it up to double check, it is "wives" but wise sounded so plausible can't blame you for thinking that
@@TomMinnow girl go outside
@@TomMinnow 🤓☝️
@@moongirl-d9hDo you refer to all men as “girl”?
@@TomMinnowI thought the same thing. Glad to see you picked up on that as well.
This makes me think about all those Mexican children that went/are going missing at the border. So many of them were sold to ppl like this
It’s wild how we’re taught trafficking is a thing of the past or just in “poor countries” when the US does it all the time and almost blatantly
@@DeathnoteBB yep it's a big source of revenue for this country, along w drugs and weapons.
@@DeathnoteBB i work at a DMV and we push an anti trafficking group called "Trucker's Against Trafficking" super hard to the public. the interstate highway system is infested with traffickers that will take a person halfway across the country in a day. the group provides education to truck drivers on what to look for and what to do if they witness someone being victimized while they're on a job.
hey Kat!
love this video, especially as a queer indigenous person who plans on transracially adopting. i love your perspective, but for native people, there is a huge history of the systemic threat of our families being torn apart by the government as a way to erase our culture and often send children into human trafficking. i’d look into the indian child welfare act of 1978 and the native american rights fund for more info.
just extra context 🫶🏼🤍
In utah they passed NICWA recently. 💜
Not sure if you're comfortable answering but hope I am not crossing the line: would you mind sharing why you plan on adopting transracially specifically?
What Kat mentioned the Protestants adopting Catholic children because they saw them as "subhuman" and thought they could groom them into "upstanding" Protestants reminds me of the government/church boarding schools that stole Native American children, cut their hair, stuck them in white people clothing, and punished them if they attempted to speak their native tongue. It's crazy how Western Europeans and their descendants have used this technique literally all over the world: kidnap the children, cut them off from their own roots, and establish oppressive control.
Reminds me of the Mormon Indian placement program where they took native kids from their families and tried to literally make them white
That's definitely another issue with adoption and something to be aware of if u want to adopt kids of another race. It's historically been used to cut kids off from their culture and raise them white or Christian (or protestant I guess.) Before I watched this video I knew they did it to indigenous kids but I had no idea they did it to catholics (and my family is catholic) but unfortunately I'm not surprised. 😢
And during the middle ages catholics did it to jews (literally kidnapping jewish kids to raise them in catholic families) (and then accusing jews of kidnapping Christian children!)
It's historicly been used as a form of cultural genocide to cut off kids from their culture and make them conform to the majority ideals to "save them". Today a lot of white trans racial parents fall into the trap of white saviorism. (Especially fundamentalist Christian parents)
But I know that there are ways a trans racial parent can avoid this. I've met Chinese trans racial adoptees who were involved in programs to teach them about their culture, even going on trips to China! And I think that's great!
Blah blah blah I'm a narcissistic identity fundamentalist and a perpetual victim. I just can't. You people need to learn more about global history and how privileged you are to live in the west in the 21st century.
During grade school, there was a boy who always came to class looking and smelling like hed been shoveling manure. I was probably like 9 or so and I asked an adult if he was ok, he seemed a little self conscious about how diry he was, thats what did it for me. I was told that his family has horses and not to worry. Its news stories like this that make me stew on that memory.
It's absurd how little oversight there is after someone acquires legal control over a child, whether through birth or adoption. They're your property and you can treat them as poorly as you want for 18 years, just as long as you don't get caught. And even then, sometimes.
just plain evil. the kids put through so much trauma and dehumanized. thank you for talking about this. hopefully the kids get a much better future than their past.
i can't imagine being the lawyer tasked with defending this people, i think i'd just retire
This happens more often than one thinks. During high school, I met a girl with severe scoliosis, but despite how half her body was at a slant, she was fine. She was also a foster kid, and I won't get into details about her "past" life as it's very appalling and tragic. But we became best friends (and are still best friends), and eventually, the day came where I would meet her foster parents. They were pastors of a very specific church, which had a reputation for being cult like (even amongst other Christians). They were nice until they weren't. I saw them force her to do labor in their "elderly care home" where after school, they made her clean up after all the elderly (dishes, beds, floors, the whole deal.) They also made her clean up after them, like bed pans and such. She had to call in a dead client more than once (after all the trauma she had already faced in her young life).
She had depression, so her foster parents put her on an anti-depressant, but what she told me was that she wanted a smaller dose because it made her feel like a zombie. (I also take sertraline, smaller dose, so I understood what she was saying.) They rejected this and increased it. I watched my friend change, and she noticed it too and told me she was going to quit it without telling them because she feared punishment. Later on, her foster parents decided that she should have surgery to repair her scoliosis. She didn't want to persay, she could function fine she just looked 'off' being at a slant (She did wear a brace 24/7) but because the state was covering this (as she was a foster kid) they went and did it anyways (of course they got lots of checks in the mail, none of which went to her.) She now has a titanium rod for a spine, an awful scar down her whole back that is extremly painful to touch, cannot lift more than 10 pounds, cannot bend her spine at all, and basically the whole ordeal ruined part of her life, and as an adult now she's told me it does make sex a problem because it's painful in many positions due to her back. She also cannot physically work most jobs, due to the carry limit. But hey, at least she can stand straight and appear "normal," right?
When she returned to school (2 months later), things happened, and her family banned her from spending time with me. We had to sneak around to hang out, and I remember walking her home from school the back road so we wouldn't be seen (her pastor parents had people watching her around town... kinda creepy) to make sure she wasn't with me. She gets home, and I hid behind a tree as I saw her father come outside. He ordered her to roll up this giant hose and stack it this way and bla bla bla other tasks, all while I know she is recovering from surgery still and that the hose was more than 10 pounds. It was like 100 feet long...
There are too many stories that I could share regarding things I've personally seen them have her do. They even went out of their way to make my own life hell when I didnt conform to their ideals, my own parents thought they were crazy. Day she turned 18 she came to my house and I dyed her hair at her request, and she left their home to live with her older sister (who also was adopted by them before she turned 18 and left years prior).
She always complains about her parents, we always joke about things they believe or say (like how Harry Potter and LOTR is devils work because it promotes black magic). She is grateful that she was adopted, which is why I think she still visits them sometimes, I can't blame her for that. People will say "Why didn't you report it?" It's easy to say from an outside perspective, I used to think this way too, but after actually seeing how she was treated and how much fear she kept inside because of her past, it's like she feared being on the streets again more than whatever punishment or task her foster parents had her do. Trust me, she had a LOT to fear... I've heard the stories of her youth while being homeless. It's sad all around.
I hope the system improves. Foster children deserve to be treated with more dignity and respect.
I’m a child development specialist, and what I will say in this case is that this is sadly not uncommon. The amount of paperwork and red tape it takes to foster or adopt is monumental, so there end up being too many children and not enough homes. I’ve seen many homes that are unsuitable for children (moms in active addiction, leaves pills out, etc.) where there’s not enough resources so the child is just left there because there’s no other option. There’s kinship foster care, there are ways that children can be protected, but it has a lot to do with state laws and resources allocated
I hope these "parents" weren't taking ideas for "punishment" from To Train Up A Child. One of the kids, a black girl that was adopted from Ethiopia, I believe her name was Hannah; she was pretty much indirectly murdered by the Pearls and their godforsaken book. She wasn't the only victim that died from being tortured.
Stories like this have just reinforced that we need to expand the access of kids not in a public school to mandatory reporters. The current system relies on a child’s surrounding community to spot red flags, but when your surroundings are mountains and trees there’s not gonna be much calling. Biological and adopted kids alike, it is far too easy to be hidden away for years. This story reminds me of the stories of high control groups like ultra fundamentalist christians or the amish than it does typical adoption.
0:01 In spite of advertising that implied otherwise, Jordan Peele was not involved in the creation of the Antebellum movie. I'd love to hear your take on the film for sure though.
Yeah, definitely easy to assume he was with that advertising.
I was surprised when you mentioned him, I thought for sure not?? Thanks for setting it straight.
thank you for saying it so i didn’t have to lol
Isnt this similar to the beginning when slavery was "worked around" by using "prisoners" from private jails?
i mean the 13th still allows for slavery, "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
Not the “beginning”, that’s still a thing
I am a Russian/American adoptee and I’m disgusted by this. This is horrible I hope those children get some love.
As someone who grew up as basically an indentured servant and simultaneously was exposed to a myriad of other abuses, our father actually leveraged the threat of the foster care system against us often. “If you tell people at school, they might get the wrong idea and then you guys will have to live with some foster care family…”
Of course, in reality this wasn’t true and we’d have gone to live with our grandparents, but we were children and didn’t understand that. Yet we did understand the very real danger of the foster system, especially in our area. “For everything else, at LEAST we’re not chained up”, was what I’d tell myself.
I heard a story, about Black people still living enslaved in a Georgian plantation in the 1970s. I think, this story has also been adapted as a movie.
Edit: Also, if I remember correctly, Jeffrey Epstein targeted teen girls in foster care. Adoptees/foster care children are easy targets for every forms of child abuse and I wish, we took theit welfare seriously as a society.
I went on a slave plantation tour a few years ago in Louisiana, and they said there was still indentured servitude pretty much slavery til the 1970s
For as painful as it is, this story needs to get MUCH more attention, especially now that certain interests are looking to roll back child labor laws.
I’m a transracial adoptee. While I don’t have an anti-adoption stance, I will say that I think it can be very…complicated. I grew up not just cut off from black culture, but sometimes forcibly kept from it. Not by some evil horrible people, mind you. But by 2 upper middle class, very well intentioned people who thought that was how I would get ahead in life. They wouldn’t even allow me to call myself black, preferring to say I had tan skin. Idk. There’s a lot I wasn’t prepared for in life because they tried to raise me as if race simply didn’t exist, which is of course ridiculous when my dad was often bared from pricking me up from school because teachers assumed he had to be the black parent.
The book Anne of Green Gables addresses this briefly when Anne matter of factly tells Marilla how she was treated by her foster family as an unpaid nanny for their other children. It doesn't get into it too much, but Marilla definitely suspects she was abused
And mind you that book was written in 1908 and in Canada so this is not solely an American issue
They were expecting a boy, who could help Matthew around the farm. Anne lucked out, but what would have happened if the mistake wasn't made (in this fictional universe)?
@@res100483the boy would have worked on the farm (as loads of kids did in those days), gone to school, had clothes and food enough, and been subject to much the same severity and discipline a Anne was. It wouldn't have been a life of luxury, but he probably would have been better off than lots of orphans.
I was in the foster system. I have six siblings and most of us got separated. Me and two of my little sisters mostly stuck together, but my other two little sisters (the youngest ones, about 2 and 3 at this time) went to different places.
I have no idea how most of my siblings were treated while they were in the foster system. All I know is that when we had weekly visitations with each other, my little sister (3) would cry and scream and not wanna leave me after the visit. My heart broke every week, seeing her try to hold onto me while a social worker had to pull her away. I had no idea what kind of environment she was going back to, and I still don't know.
OMG THEY FINALLY WENT TO COURT!! I recognised these 'people' from their gross posts the second i saw them in the thumbnail!!
I’m a transracial adoptee from Colombia and I’m still trying to unpack the trauma from it. My parents weren’t perfect and they’ve never made me feel lesser for being a different race than every other member of the family, but I will say I think they very much failed to prepare me for the racism I would and later did experience in a city with 98% white population. By age four I’d already been told another kid didn’t want to play with me because of the color of my skin and my parents didn’t really know how to explain to me racism or how it was wrong to have that kind of mindset. For pretty much the entirety of my middle school years, I tried to completely distance myself from my non-whiteness. I stayed inside during the summers to avoid being more visibly not white, I rejected anything my mother tried to get me involved with other Colombian adoptees and anything about my Latino heritage (admittedly probably too late to avoid internalized racism towards myself), and I continued that until I transferred to a school with greater diversity.
The biggest part of my trauma that I am trying to work through currently is feeling disconnected as both a Latino and Indigenous person. I often battle imposter syndrome feelings where I’m not enough, and I nearly cried last month when another Indigenous person asked what my tribe was. Partially because I had no answer and that breaks my heart every day but also because being recognized by another POC is extremely validating and makes me feel less alone.
I’ve often felt I fit in neither spaces, I’m too white for other POC and too ethnic for white people.
It just breaks my heart that these kids had to go through this experience, there’s nothing that could ever justify the abuse and exploitation they went through. I consider myself lucky that while my parents failed in some areas, they never put me through the hell those kids experienced.
Conservatives seek out such a simple existence because the complexity of the real world absolutely crushes them. That theme exists across almost every value and belief from the conservative party.
I was also adopted and while there were some rough moments growing up, I'd say that I was lucky with what I got for the most part because even if my parents aren't perfect per say, they most definitely did their best to provide and care for my brother and I- my mom especially so, she even took in one of the older teens in our older church and let him stay with us until he graduated and moved away
To pursue adoption means to step in and devote yourself into taking care, loving, and raising a child regardless of where they came from, people who abuse that kind of responsibility and use the kids they take in for their own personal gain are way more than just horrible people; they are monsters straight up
My cousins were adopted in a foreign country by my aunt then given back, then they were sent to work on a farm in USA. Really gross to think about.
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Kat, I forgot you were adopted?! Wow...I'm sitting here thinking back, and I've realized that I've been watching you, learning from you, watching you grow for the past decade. You've helped me so much. You've given me the vocabulary to advocate for myself and others. Thank you.
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I was put into the foster system as a child, at first I was scared ofc but excited because my mother was neglectful and abusive, and I yearned for good parental figures. My foster parents essentially used me and my other foster sibling as maids for the 3 months I was there and so when I was released back to my mother I couldn't of been happier. That experience taught me one thing - to accept my mothers abuse, because if I tell, it can get a lot worse.
That's so heartbreaking 😟
As someone who worked adjacent to the foster care system for a few years, I’ll say that the foster care and adoption system in the US is incredibly flawed. It’s really dependent on the state and the foster care worker for whether a child is kept up with properly and interviewed properly. If those children were interviewed by the workers in front of those slavers or showed how checked out they were during the interview, no one would’ve ever found out what was happening to them. It SHOULD be that those kids were placed, then talked to and checked on for years following to make sure things are going well, since adoption is SUPPOSED to be for the child’s benefit. The issue is the state often burns out the workers who WOULD care about the child and WOULD be thorough, so the only people left are cold, checked out, and going through the motions.
We’ve made a lot of strides in more progressive states to pair children with families of similar background so the children can grow up with a better sense of self, but I can guarantee lots of southern, conservative states don’t take those same efforts seriously.
Our country has a history of stealing children from vulnerable families under technicalities or racist laws then indoctrinating those children to make them more “white”. I worked in Michigan and they had a long, storied history of stealing Native American children and white washing them to forget their culture and act more white.
I think foster care and adoption are still necessary, but the government really has to start giving a fuck about what happens to these kids once they’re removed from their birth parents. Placing them back into abusive homes or leaving them to languish in group homes doesn’t help them any more than leaving them in the original home would’ve.
I think a lot of folks hate the system because it failed them, and they’re right to be angry. As children, they don’t have the option to leave or take better care of themselves, and the folks whose job it is to do that for them refuse to or take advantage of it.
I even had a coworker that I helped move that fostered kids because his wife was fired from a daycare (wonder why?) and she wanted to be paid to care for kids again. They would’ve let a toddler run around an unsafe house for hours if I hadn’t watched her for them (they never asked me to). They would also take children fresh from removal and new placement and bring them to crowded public spaces while they sobbed. It’s way too easy to become a foster parent and way too hard to be removed from the system. I reported them for their behavior and all they had to do was take another short class.
Of course it’s Virginia/West Virginia I grew up in Farmville Virginia until 5th grade and that place was a mess of bigotry
But they started in Washington state (where there is also considerable bigotry outside of Seattle)
Appalling yet indeed not very surprising... I can only hope these kids are properly taken care of going forward and can heal.
Based on the Turpin case, it’s very possible the poor kids will just get sent to another abusive household until they age out of the system
@@DeathnoteBBExactly what I fear. The Turpins aren't the only family that's gone thru that. 😢
It’s not surprising to me. I’ve heard many a horror story about the foster systems from the kids themselves and the adults that work in it.
A lot of social reform could be done. At least to the befit of the children they deserve more of say of what happens to them.
we need to get these children therapy and a vetted family. utterly disgusted by the current system
Its stuff like this that really makes me concerned about like the further normalization of homeschooling, and also like the push to make teachers have to tell parents when kids are talking about gender as stuff. It feels like is real effort to errode the little agency kids have and give parents complete control of their lives, which leaves them so vunerable to exploitation
I was a hopeful adopted parent and I found only one organization that promoted anti racist ideas. The rest were religious organization that only asked about my networth.
As a black person adopted by white people living in Idaho i really struggle to find anyone who looks like me who. I feel like I'm not black enough around my online friends but i feel like being black is my only quality in real life i often have no one to turn to and just get told to stop "pulling the race card."
I'm scared of adopting someone not white for this exact reason but I also don't want to neglect non-white kids simply because they're not white 😭
@@dizzylilthing if you do move to a place with a substantial black population i dont feel human i feel like a BLACK person like a BLACK employee BLACK customer more here then when i travel it sucks
I don't know how old you are, but you can try to seek out attending an HBCU. Two to four years of that environment may help you immensely, especially with contacts as your teachers really want you to succeed knowing well the barriers you specifically face. Hell, you'll probably meet a few black people who were adopted by white families. I'm trying to go back to one myself. Probably in Delaware.
@@butterfish-g9f I'm college aged i reached out to my birth mom and we've been talking alot though unfortunately she lives across the us. but im full sending my cdl rn but now i have that in my back pocket thank you.
You’re black enough my dude, don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. You’re also more than just your skin color! I have faith that you’ll be able to find a community of your own some day that makes you feel seen for everything you have to offer as a person 🫶🏽
In ireland the system is messed up. It's awful and it's been a point of contention for decades now. We as a culture have a weird way about it because of trauma from the magdalen laundries where "fallen" women were forced into servitude and had their children adopted to wealthy Americans and Europeans without their knowledge. Because of this adoption is near impossible and fostering Is like a set of chains you can't escape. Effectively regardless of if the child wants to or not, if the biological parents are still alive there is little to no ability to adopt the child. Even if the child was taken from a severely abusive home. I've seen this first hand in my community and the children of the foster system struggle terribly. Even when in loving homes, constantly hopping between homes to placate their abusive bio parents leaves a mark
My partner and I don't want biological kids. We want to adopt and create a warm and wonderful home for kids that need it. But were also aware that unless anything changes its likely we can't have kids.
i have 4 adopted siblings, but they are biologically my first cousins. my mom told me that legally obtaining sole parental rights in a kinship adoption (which is supposed to be the easiest route to adopt) was legal hell and super expensive in attorney fees, even after the parents had their rights terminated. i simply don't understand how these people legally adopted FIVE non relatives so easily.
i honestly feel so bad for those kids. they didn’t have anyone else and for those monsters to put them in a situation like this is just disgusting. i hope they’re doing ok now
It’s a real reminder just how vulnerable kids are. People will exploit the foster care system to get a pay check, but people would also try to shut down foster care and safe homes in order to trap their bio kids in a dangerous environment. And if you try to cut out the parent factor and raise kids within gov or charity facilities, people will cut every corner possible for that pay check.
The only solution I can think is that we have to step up for kids and make sure that they have more than one person they have to rely on. It takes a village, I guess
Kathryn Joyce's The Child Catchers taught me so much about the adoption industry. It focuses mostly on adoptions to the US from other countries, but unfortunately there are cases similar to this one in it. That book and Ann Fessler's The Girls Who Went Away taught me a lot about how many bio parents of adoptees never intended for their children to be adopted out. The book We Were a Family Once, which is the brutal story of the eventual murder-suicide of a white couple taking their Black adopted children with them, also touches upon how the system can steamroll families of origin with few options.
None of these books goes into depth about the U.S. and other settler colonialist powers systematically taking the children of indigenous people, but I also see echoes of that phenomenon in this story out of West Virginia. I'm very curious about the circumstances that led to those children being in that shelter to begin with. I don't have any more knowledge about that than the next person. But a surprising number of adopted/foster children in situations like this have families of origin who were in the background fighting to keep them the whole time. That is unfortunately not rare among transracial adoptions.
"Antebellum" isn't a Jordan Peele product, it was Gerard Bush and directed by Christopher Renz and Gerard Bush.
I don't want to be that person, I just felt those gentleman should get the credit.
I can’t believe that someone is actually defending these people in court voluntarily bc he maybe believes these people are actually innocent. Just wow. I wouldn’t touch that with a 40 foot pole if I was a lawyer.
Why just why some people are awful like that. People who hurt children disgust me…
I was sitting here confused/ bewildered, etc..cause my brain turned Jordan Peele into Jordan Peterson..I cant really quite articulate the ways my mind was spinning out😂😂
Yes, Id love for you to watch it and hear your opinion.
Those poor freaking kids...I hope they get to go to a respite situation where they get to rest and get to be together in a safe, healthy situation.
Thank you Kat for finding and sharing the IMPORTANT SH*T we need to inow about. Love you so much 😘😘
How could any defense attorney take on this case. Wtffff. This is awful.
I am pretty sure everyone has a right to that. Like, a right to be represented in court.
@leonacont6150 yes I know that lol but if I was a defense attorney, I wouldn't want anything to do with this case. Regardless someone would have to do it, but the way he's willing to publicly make comments as well.
@@Kennarrs And just the boldness of "that's not true and we look forward to court where we can prove otherwise" is just so disgusting. Makes me think he's as bad as them
@@KennarrsIs that not part of the job? /gen
@@DeathnoteBB they are not required to speak to the media
Not a personal experience, but a girl I knew in high school’s family would foster/adopt dozens of children to get money from the government and the adopted/foster kids were not happy. The girl would say that they’re ungrateful because “nobody else would be willing to take them.”
That’s a rather common narrative sadly. Adoptive children even if they aren’t happy should be eternally grateful for their adoptive parents, regardless of any abuse they experience because “your own parents didn’t want you”
This is a slightly tangential but I do recommend listening to the This Land podcast's second season which is about ICWA and they drill down a bit on how absolutely cursed the adoption industry can be. You did touch on this a bit but there's actually a kind of dark undercurrent of adoption being seen as a form of ministry in Evangelical circles and many adoption agencies plug directly into stuff like crisis pregnancy centers.
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this is an off-topic comment, but the pink dress + lipstick + background along with the blue eyeshadow is everything and more to me. SO beautiful! 🩷
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Looks like my comment got filtered out- as a child development specialist, there are simply more children than there are safe homes for them to go to. It depends a lot on state laws, and I’m honestly surprised that this is the first case I’ve heard about in the mainstream. Child protective services is grossly underfunded
My brothers and i aged out of foster care, we were lucky to stay in the same group home basically the entire time we were in care. we were in what was called the "rolls royce" of foster care. we were subjected to many different abuses and were never listened to when speaking up. My younger brothers were locked in their rooms, had food withheld, and had the cops called on them when they refused to clean their room. (in which i was called over to watch the cops scream at him) i was assaulted and shamed into not talking about it; also had food withheld and told i was faking passing out for attention. And within all that i had it pretty good compared to the stories the girls that i lived with told me; locked fridges, stolen supply money, abuses of every kind, human and sex trafficking. The worst part is the mothers know what goes on at the other places and used it to scare us into behaving. Foster care was really important for me as a person my parents are extremely mentally ill and couldn't take care of us, i met my therapist in foster care and grew to understand the cycles of trauma and abuse that made my family collapse and grew past them. but my life has been forever changed in ways it wouldn't have if i was never in the system. With all that said, i am white and in my experiences in comparison with my poc foster sisters, race plays a huge factor in how you are treated and in the homes you are placed.
My recommendation fwiw is to stay far away from Antebellum. It is horrific in a way that does not feel like social commentary, just torture porn. It doesn't challenge the views of white audiences, it's nothing but traumatic for black audiences. At least as far as I've encountered, I'm sure there are some people out there who like it for very valid reasons.
Now Interview with the Vampire on the other hand, is so effing good I can't believe you haven't watched it yet, or maybe you've seen it and just haven't covered it? Anyway yes yes yes, I am so hungry for commentary on it, I can only rewatch all the tiktok edits so many times 😂
Haven’t finished the video but the Antebellum film synopsis sounds very similar to Octavia Butler’s book Kindred which is so frighteningly well written
Omg I just finished this book and I’m still shook days later. So well written, so visceral. Can’t believe it was written in the 70s.
I was adopted, and I feel lucky that I was adopted by good parents too. I'm white and so are they, although interesting when they committed to adopting me they thought that I was half-black, but that's a long story. I get so angry hearing stories of abuse in the adoption system because even though I 'won the lottery' in terms of getting pretty normal and decent parents out of it, I know how much emotional baggage can come even from a good adoption much less from abusive POS taking advantage of the system. I hope those kids can find peace and better lives moving forward.
I’m fucking exhausted man
As someone who wants to adopt in the future, hearing shit like this is horrifying (it’s horrifying enough on it’s own of course, but the fact people use a system that’s supposed to help children to get slaves is so baffling to me. How can someone be so evil?)
Slight correction: Jordan Peele did not work on Antebellum. The two producers who worked on Get Out, Raymond Mansfield and Sean McKittrick, worked on Antebellum and thus the marketing made comparisons to Get Out.
i worked in a behavioral health unit at a children's hospital and we had tons of kids in the foster system regularly in and out. some kids would be there for months due to their foster parents giving them up due to their mental health issues, which were usually caused by trauma that got them into the foster system in the first place, or because they were abused or neglected in a foster home. it was heartbreaking seeing kids leave the hospital going to a new foster home and coming back a few months later after more abuse. the amount of placements a foster child will go through before actually being adopted/aging out is harrowing.
i don't know if i would say i'm against adoption altogether, but i know this system is not working. there needs to be way more regulation of who can foster, and there needs to be more resources for these families. the mental health system is a fucking mess by itself so ideally there will be better resources in the future, but for now, foster parents need to be prepared to accept a child for whoever they are, even if that child acts abnormally and needs more support (and many of them will due to being abused through the foster system).
This is why I hate how everyone glorifies adoption and claims that every kid is wanted and loved. Cases like these and so many others are swept under the rug because they aren’t the ‘happy’ and ‘simple’ narrative that so many people want to associate adoption with, alone. Adoption is never easy or one dimensional in any way, for any party. I can’t imagine people telling these kids they were loved/wanted because they were adopted, then degrade the birth parents while the whole time the adoptive parents are treating them like this. Not majority of adoptions aren’t happy, just as too many people shouldn’t adopt nor even have the opportunity to adopt.
I also don't think that it is a coincidence that some states are allowing child labour.....
I heard they're taking kids from families at the border and funneling them to states with lax child labor laws and nonexistent laws on prohibiting child marriage.
This title has me wilding WTAF is wrong with people 🤢
I actually have a grandfather who was put in a foster labor camp. Granted he is a terrible person for what he did to my mother but I can see how his trauma may have played a role. It’s kinda disturbing knowing that I’m so close to such a case.
As someone who went to school in Kanawha County, WV… We would hear about Sissonville all the time and it was never good things.
So this is surprising and unsurprising at the same time.
I was only nineteen when I had to put up with similar mistreatment from my mom's late ex, but I was only nineteen; I can't imagine being the ages of these kids and being put through this crap.
I’ve definitely heard some horror stories about the foster/adoption system. And I’m grateful for all the people who’ve shared their personal experiences of it on social media. I’ve been interested in becoming a foster parent but I’m wary of engaging with a system that can, at times, play fast and loose with kids’ safety. I’m also pretty iffy on transracial adoptions - I recognize that every child deserves a home but I am wary of White parents potentially playing out a white savior fantasy with nonwhite children.
And the fact people barely talk about this, like it doesn't still happen, when it's right there, still happening,
Slavery still happens, it's shocking, but it still needs to be talked about, it sadly isn't just in America, it's elsewhere too.
wait i heard abt them but i never knew abt the situation too deeply, im eager (excited would be a BAD wording) to see what u're gonna tell us abt it
The foster system fails again. I wonder how many traffickers work in cps.
It is really fucked up how the foster system has always been. My dad was fostered by a couple that used him and his brother for labor, constantly told him how stupid he was and why can't he be more like his brother, refused them the use of the inside bathroom, didn't allow them to have hair on their head until they were late teenagers, did not provide shoes for them, threatened to make them sleep outside if they misbehaved and followed through, and gaslighted them about their abuse. I hate that he went through all of that because his mom was doing what she was told would be best for him and his siblings by having them put in foster care, but I can only imagine how much worse it could have been if she had done what my dad's foster guardians had wanted and let them adopt him and his brother. And for him to turn out the bigoted piece of shit that he is just really pisses me off.
I just want to know why this wasn’t talked about more. I fell like I heard one or two articles about it then nothing. That’s sad. This should be major news
More stories like this will happen also just because the foster care system will be far more overloaded with kids due to roe v wade. So the few checks they had in place to stop people like this early might be ignored as they just cant manage the number of kids.
As someone who hopes to adopt or foster someday, this story is horrifying. The fact that someone could do this is utterly insane to me. How? How could someone do that? These are *children*. I will never understand the kind of person who would do this. Maybe im naive, because i do find this pretty shocking. God i hope those kids are okay.
I have Almost been placed in foster care a couple of times, due to living in an dysfunctional home. And one of my best friends is interacial adopted.
So I am in a position to view fostercare more positively.
However. Like you mentioned in the video, the fostercare system had the intention of adopting catholics into protestant families to turn them protestant. Not to mention how historically, native children have been fostered by white institutions in an effort to turn them white.
There is no denying that fostercare is often a tool used by white suppremecy, against marginalized groups.
As a foster kid, I was used for free labour. I was also used to elevate foster carers status in society and the church. I was never treated like a person, not even by most of my bio family. Most often I was used as a trophy. But, I'm white. My siblings and I had it relatively good within the system. That hurts to know
Im a white woman who was in the foster system. It was only me and my sister and one other white girl in the house . I was in a group home where it was multiple houses on a single property, the foster parents were racist. Straight up. Most adoptees were unfortunately racist.
Some of my best friends in the system would come home bawling because they thought theyd be adopted by a damily who expressed interest in them (almost like a dog) , only to be told nevermind.
I think about them at least once a week, i have no idea where they are now or if they are okay. I hope they are because im still struggling and i got the best odds i would say
Omg YES PLEASE review interview with the vampire! It is such an incredibly captivating show and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it
Such an utterly messed up story.
God. I am so glad those kids are out of that situation. I hope everything gets better and they find a family filled with love.
I haven’t seen Antebellum but I always like hearing your perspective on movies, whatever they are.
I was adopted at 7 by my great aunt (a black woman) she never liked calling me and brother adopted. We were just hers. So I wonder if black folks just don't talk about it as much. I didn't even know she had adopted me for awhile. This is Hella anecdotal tho idk lol
*and are more likely to tell adopted kids they're not adopted or omit that part ? * like I don't see my half siblings as half - they're just my siblings and that was encouraged greatly in my family anyway.
*and are more likely to tell adopted kids they're not adopted or omit that part ? * like I don't see my half siblings as half - they're just my siblings and that was encouraged greatly in my family anyway.
after Roe v Wade was overturned , well this talking point was always around but you know how we'll say "They don't care about what heppens to the these babies and children once they're finally born; they just call abortion murder until the fetus starts kickin & get's carried to term.
Well anyway after Roe v Wade was overturned my cousin was like, "BET" then she & here hubby spontaneously went out & adopted a black baby like it was a trip to the mall or something (wealthier side of the family on my grandma's sisters side so quite distantly related. Adoption is much more tedious for most people)
Jordan Peele had nothing to do with Antebellum. One of the producers on his movies funded it and they use his name to draw appeal to the film
So Antebellum wasn't a movie I called good, but it was an interesting take. The woman is a political operative that gets kidnapped by white rich people and forced to live and work as a slave in a twisted live action civil war park. She fights for her life and escapes. Turns out it was taking place in a real civil war reenactment facility. This was a pretty in your face movie. It was kinda meh.
Yes on the antebellum video
as for challengers... to me, the movie was so bad it made me think I was in a fever dream at times
what didn't you like about it? i'm genuinely curious. i thought the soundtrack was sick, the actors performed well, and the imagery was stunning. the whole concept of love as a tennis match and how chani played those dudes like a fiddle was fascinating and very fun. i may be biased as a bi and poly person, though lmao.
I sadly hear so many stories about neglectful parents so I'm at least hopeful that the children gets a better chance at new life and recovery from their abuse.
I was in a fosterhome, my brother and me from age 4 till 10. My brother from age 6 till 12. My fostermom was amazing. So definitley no, not all people who take in kids act like this. Their is a lot wrong with the foster- and adoptivesystem. However their are certainly people who do really just want to give people a good childhood. What is a real issue is that their aren’t enough check ups after adoption. Also like Kat was saying, their are people out here that only want to look at the cheap labor for profit, no matter if the cost is others peoples lives. Very relieved that at least this case was found out and the children got out of that awfull situation. Also very good that the judge did not go along with this horrific couples attempt at bailout.
Thank you for spreading this info and best of luck to the young children who were suffering this ordeal 🤎💛🧡🤍💙🩵🩷🫶🏾
Better to read "Kindred" than watch "Antebellum", IMO. It's too bad, because Octavia Butler's work deserves good adaptations.
"Adoption" as a means of social engineering isn't new, and not just limited to Catholic children being placed with Protestants - this is still an issue with native children being placed with non-native fosters, despite ICWA. (I would recommend watching "Dawnland" if you're interested.)
I also think this will increase in he future because the end of Roe v. Wade will increase the number of unwanted and vulnerable children.
I know nothing about the adoption system, but I had a classmate who I grew up with since we were 11? 12? She was adopted and we were classmates for 8? years. She was bullied for probably all her years there. I look back on it now and I can't help but wonder if, based on what little I heard/remember of her home life, she may have been abused by her adopted parents. She and also the other kids her parent's adopted.
Anywho, about the video's subject: I was shocked enough that I looked it up immediately. Well, despite being shocked some part of me also wasn't as surprised? I mean, the world is huge and there are all sorts of people out there. That's both wondrous and terrifying.
I'd be very excited if you did an Interview with the Vampire video! IWTV (the book) is what got me into vampires and LGBT+ media in the first place, so it holds a very special place in my heart. I would love it if you read the book, too, but honestly the book can be a slog if you want a quick read or fast-paced book. Anne Rice is very detail oriented and while she's got gorgeous prose, it can really bog down the text.