The one that pisses me off the most is when people see a staredown and psychoanalyze it and think its gonna have anything to do with how the fight is gonna go
Most times it means nothing but there have been a few where you can genuinely see someone snap. But they are very rare since everyone in the ufc has atleast a minimum amount of dog in them, yk.
Agreed. O’Malley looked nervous as heck during his walkout before the Sterling fight and he startched him. Sean Strickland looked weird during the face off vs Izzy and he outclassed him. Masvidal was very intense in his staredowns vs Kamaru and Colby and he got outclassed too.
One of the most amazing stories of heroism I've ever seen. He was already a legend in the sport, but as a human being in general he's proved legendary too.
i remember watching a boxing title fight on tv when i was a kid and the undefeated champ just quit on his stool since then i always have it in the back of my mind that boxers are WAY more likely to be quitters than in any other combat sport i cant remember any kickboxing or muay thai fights i watched that ended by someone just quitting in between rounds
theres a man that has a nickname now from making so many stop visily "no mas" "no more" lomachenko like what is he actually thinking alot of people stop when they have to
This is what it means to me. Rounds too close to call should be given to the champ. A draw would mean the champ keeps the belt so the same should apply for each round.
We're on the same page there but you've got to admit though that the champ being counted out or disqualified meaning the belt doesn't change hands is a really weird and unfair rule.
Boxers after running away for 10 2 minute rounds: “how dare you not let someone rip your arm off?” Why don’t you let your opponent just knock you out? You’re a quitter for dodging punches
That Fucking Stupid idea bugged me too.. Nobody just taps and quits cause they want to; they're about to get a limb torn apart in no time, and it's either permanent damage or not, plus the loss..
8:07 regarding fighters being quitters/tap outs - this quote implies boxers don’t quit on their stools all the time? Or like their corners throwing in the towel. It’s not quitting, it’s living to fight another day
im a casual and didnt realise fighters could quit on their stools until way late into it. i saw a video on no mas chenko making fighters quit and thought "wtf". ive never seen this before does this really happen? how can you make a fighter quit on the stool? whereas mma like 2 fights in on the card these guys were tapping / gassing out quick.
To give him a bit of credit, I think he's saying it's not as routinely a part of boxing where multiple fighters on a card in a night will tap, vs how there might be one towel thrown in a boxer's career. Which is also done by the corner, not the fighter. Wilder famously protested the stoppage with Fury for instance. Even still I agree with you and disagree with Max obviously, just trying to give him a fair shake is all.
I'm biased, I think a lot of it goes down to statistics, in mma there's submissions as well as all the other ways to win (ko, decision, ref/dr stoppage, corner??) But in boxing you really are either beat up 12 rounds or its ko city, not too many chances to tap, with the constant head blows (where mma mixes it up, pardon the pun)
Just to add to your point, Robbie Lawler had just went 10 Rounds with Johny Hendricks between the 2 Rory McDonald wars, before the Carlos Condit classic, which sure as hell contributed to the Tyron Woodley KO loss. 23 straight FOTN rounds is probably 18 too many in the first place.
Yeah, I think putting it all on one fight as opposed to an entire career seems a bit hyperbolic. Outside of a life-changing injury like a leg being broken, it's hard to see one fight being to blame.
@@MMAOnPointOne fight definetely can be a career shattering. There were quite many examples, like Luke Rockhold vs Chris Weidman, TJ Dillashaw vs Cody Garbrandt, Henry Cejudo vs Marlon Moraes, Justin Gaethje vs Tony Ferguson, Geoff Neal vs Vicente Luque just to name a few
Guys that fight at welterweight might enter the cage weighing 190 lbs. Your weight entering the cage should correspond to your weight division. It would make things a lot safer
A resign in chess is when you lay your king down and concede. That fits the tap out analogy much better. Edit; A checkmate its all ready over, more closely analogous to a knockout.
@@ajpajunen6855 There are more injuries on the playground than on oil rigs, but which do you think is more dangerous? If you didn't understand what I meant by this, the injuries you sustain for non-head wounds are less detrimental to your health in most cases, so just because there are "more injuries in fighting of all kinds(playground)" doesn't mean that it is inherently less safe. I'd rather have a mixture of injuries than getting almost K.O'd, let up again with wobbly legs and a weakened guard, then knocked out cold(Oil rig). Look at Ngannou's fight against AJ; he gets knocked down, recovers enough to stand, and then gets knocked tf out, making the K.O more brutal than it would've been with some ground and pound.
Regarding number 1, not only did Mike Tyson have sex before fights, but he would have sex in the locker room minutes before his fights. He said that he felt like if he didn't, he would kill his opponent.
Ring Rust is kinda real. But it's not directly correlated to how long you've been off vs. how well you do, but rather what you do during your time off. Gsp stays in incredible shape and consistently trains to stay healthy and showed it in his return. A fighter who is recovering from an injury and can't train because it might have ring rust, but thats because they couldn't be training consistently. It's not the time off but rather what you have been doing during that time.
ring rust by definition is time spent away from the ring. its not real. what you described is training rust or sparring rust. someone that hasnt sparred in a while like max holloway will usually lose to a guy thats been sparring a lot.
@@Cilent__ if you think stopping sparring is some magic recipe to win every fight then youre wrong. max would lose every fight if he didnt spar like crazy growing up as a kid.
@@dqreps its really not because how does ring rust affect you from training? undertaker has said fighting once a year is harder then wrestling everyday cause your out of shape but thats a different sport. just spar mma everyday and you will be fine taking even 5 year breaks. the only argument is "getting used to the crowd" and thats a shitty one unless the fighter has social anxiety disorder like lesnar does.
@@random__joe - I sure hope he's doing better, last I heard he jumped out of a car in Liverpool and threw himself in front of a bus and was seriously injured, was rushed to the hospital covered in blood and spent a couple months there...
The worst one. Like the defending champ has a different scoring criteria to follow that makes it easier for him to win. Title is essentially vacant when the bell rings.
@FuntClaps101 I think low level thinkers assume this is because of judging criteria. Anyone with a half functioning brain knows it means in case of a draw. Some may misuse it but I believe you're in the first category
@@FuntClaps101 it depends if the judges are actually scoring it like that. damage is supposed to be more important but judges are inconsistent and only follow that rule like 80% of the time for some reason. jon jones benefited from the you gotta beat the champ rule for example.
Yeah most of the examples used are dudes pretty much people recognized as the top fighters in their respective weight classes. I can’t agree with that.
I’m pretty sure it’s this channel but they sampled over 1000 MMA fighters and took into account time off and win to loss ratio etc. and concluded that it wasn’t real
It depends. A guy who never spars but does drills will show more signs of ring rust than the guy who is sparring and going live more often. Hitting mitts and riding a bike will only do so much if you are not ready for a moving target that is also hitting you back
Tapping out is a resignation, not checkmate. Checkmate is more along the lines of a knockout, where no options remain available. A final defeat. The king cannot escape to safety, nor can it be saved. Just like how a knockout is final. Resignation is a recognition that your defeat is inevitable and no winning moves or positions can be achieved from the current game state. You aren’t escaping a fully locked in rear naked choke, the same way you won’t escape the checkmate in 7 that your opponent just found. No matter what you do, if your opponent plays the right moves you’re losing. You can’t save yourself, you can only hope to limit the damage
Ring Rust in professional wrestling has always referred to out of training and action from injury. I assume it would be the same in MMA. The examples you gave I assume went back to training before their fight hence they didn't have much ring rust because they started training again. They got back into the groove of it.
I'm not as familiar with the pro wrestling side of it, but like the Jones example Dana was just saying before Jones talked in the clip I used, that he believed Ring Rust could be a factor in the fight with Gane. And that was despite knowing Jones was training the whole time. His clips of training for heavyweight had been shared everywhere for several years as well as the word about his commitment to it among the community. For guys like Dana, it's absolutely a belief in actually going out there and dealing with not even just the fight, but the pressure, the media, bright lights, etc.
“Traditional Martial Arts don’t work in MMA” is my least favorite myth. It’s wildly untrue. TMA’s have had tremendous success in MMA, with Karo Parisyan, Lyoto Machida, GSP, Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell, Cung Le, Pat Barry, Dan Severn and so on and so forth having tremendous success with TMA bases.
It could go a little further even, at high level if there's a guaranteed checkmate within a few moves that both players can clearly see, the losing player will often just concede because the game is already determined.
That's in fact debatable, in the UFC they do favour wrestlers but you got cases in ONE FC for example where they actually penalize wrestlers on extremely shaky grounds, calling just about any back toss "spiking" and ruining the results of fair fights, just cause they want kickboxing matches with tiny gloves. Every promotion has shitty rules, they simply vary depending on geography.
Oh yeah like that rule where if someone can’t get a takedown in a few minutes they just make them get on the ground, or that other rule where if they end the round off the ground they make them start on the ground, or maybe that OTHER rule where if a guy who is on the bottom can foul without consequences in order to keep the Ref from standing them up. VERY tilted in the wrestlers favor let me tell ya
The only rule that favors wrestlers is the ban on knees to downed opponents. Other than that the rules favor damage a whole lot more than control time and takedowns. It doesn’t matter how many times a striker gets takedown in a round if they’re out -striking and out-damaging the wrestler
@@FunkyFlunky2332 ah yes the mythical pride knees, nevermind that those were pretty much only used by wrestlers and typically then only against worse wrestlers. And as far as control time over damage if they weren't being reset between rounds or when nothing constructive happened wrestlers would be even more dominant than strikers, a striker gets to start where they have the advantage and the match gets replaced there after five minutes no matter how badly he is losing.
@@FunkyFlunky2332 Not true. The 12 to 6 non authorized elbow is another rule favouring wrestlers. Someone shoot into your legs, you are not authorized to elbow is head or spinal column with the most obviously powerful elbow at your disposal.
The checkmate analogy to tapping is exactly right. Kellerman will immediately understand if and when he does his first hard spar in a BJJ class. You don’t even have to try MMA. And there’s checkmate in boxing or any other striking martial art. It’s called a TKO. It’s when the referee, who has a tonne of experience in knowing when a fighter is done, says you’re done. The fact that it happens by third party intervention rather than tap isn’t actually that important.
3:04 in boxing it is certainly a thing, I guess because in MMA they fight a lot less in a year it will be less noticable. In boxing specifically the further back you go they fought a lot more, to an extent that before 1950s if you didn't fight in 6 months you were considered retired and would be dicouraged from ever entering the ring again because you'd dropped off so far from where you left off.
I think the ring rust one doesn't fit in with the other 9. Yes, ring rust is a thing and acting as if because so and so beat so and so after a certain period of time makes it untrue that a long period of inactivity in doing something makes one worse at it. The reality of ring rust is that it probably plays a smaller part than most people think it does in the outcome of a fight but it's still definitely a factor and I think it's silly to act like it outright doesn't exist.
There are absolutely career altering fights, I'm not really sure how you could say that's fake and also be a fan of the sport for a long time when it's so obvious that that is an objective reality.
I love that Tyson Fury blamed ring rust for being out of the ring for a year.. fighting a guy that hadn’t fought in almost two years but in a different sport and had NEVER fought in a boxing ring
My personal theory is that, the doofus didn’t practice at all. I think he MAYBE stayed in decent shape considering he doesn’t have such a pretty body, (all his fights), so he was prolly running a bit. Or maybe hitting the bag here and there, but the dude performed like he got off the couch, so convinced he was gonna clutch. And realistically, he shoulda. But here’s a case where hard work beats talent. Because Francis took it serious and practiced and worked out. In my opinion, Francis beat a dude who most likely didnt show up to practice at all. Like not one fuckin bit
the argument about quitting in mma is hilarious considering how many fighters in boxing get the towel thrown in throw in the towel themselves or quit on the stool or in the corner...not to mention all the fighters who find a way out. how many times for the other boxing fans have you seen a boxer clearly outmatched who take a solid but not fight ending shot take a knee and choose not to get up. its a bit harder to distinguish these but man there are some where you KNOW. so quitting in boxing if anything is alot more prevalent than actual quitting in mma
3 is absolutely true, Fighters get their ass beat so bad they come back a shell of their former self. Or sometimes sustain injuries that are career altering/ending.
Dude, #10 is absolutely true, *sometimes* . It's certainly not "untrue". This sh*t happens all the time, & literally *nobody* thought anyone meant in the *official rules* ...wtf?
If a title fight goes to a DRAW. The belt should go to the defender (champion). This is what they mean by “the challenger has to take it from the champion”
How the hell did Conor escape being one of the examples of ring rust proven right? Yeah, he beat Cowboy convincingly after the 229 layoff but aside from that, he’s lost every fight since becoming Champ Champ. And I don’t fancy his chances if the Chandler bout ever happens.
i think you skewed the “beat the man” myth a bit. It’s not that you rewrite the rules so challengers can’t win decisions. It’sin a close fight where it’s perceived to be very even (more like a draw), The champion should always retain.
Uriah Hall said he was never the same after his vicious KO on the tough series. He said he was scared of his own power, and held back a lot of the time after that fight.
Nah, I don't believe it, he knocked out guys after that fight and was celebrating. The only reason he lost those fights is because he wasn't the better fighter not because he held back, like the dude thinks he's Goku or something.
@@colindowden2182most definitely! Not tryna demean any fighter, but it’s what you signed up for. Like if a soldier was upset he had to kill someone. It’s tough, but it’s literally what you signed up for. If your gonna stay, why avoid what your clearly here to do.
Brother , there are things called unwritten rules in sports . You don’t take the champ belt away if the fight was close you just tip it in his favor . It’s not a written rule my guy , of course not. It’s an unwritten thing that the judges just do . You should have to beat the champ in a clear and convincing way to take his belt .
I love UFC but that is second closest to WWE, the sport aspect is so bad. There is no title structure, we have seen time and time again of people who beat tomato cans and get title shots. Love it as a whole, and would keep watchin every PPV I can. But that is the true
its the vince mcmahon model. basically push your big stars into big positions. even if they arent the most talented (guys like stone cold undertaker the rock john cena are terrible in the ring compared to chris benoit, bret hitman hart, cm punk etc)
@@johnmarkson1990 yeah exactly. Don't get me wrong I like to watch the fights where there is a bit of bad blood. But that ain't sport, and I'm not gonna lie to myself about it.
Thank you! I hate the “you have to TAKE it from the champ” and “I’m close title fights, give it to the champ”. No, because if the champ is soooo good, it SHOULD NOT BE CLOSE. So if the new guy comes in and does just enough, he’s the champ. Hell, he might even go on a streak, or he could lose his first defense. Doesn’t matter, that man/woman beat the champ.
I don´t know how unpopular this take is, but I think that they can´t keep using the Boxing point system for every round in MMA. I really think that the PRIDE system was better, each judge chooses who won the fight and that´s it. That way, those close decisions will be reduced.
One that is insanely overlooked is Bas Rutten coming back in July 2006 after not fighting since May 1999. Or even Chuck Liddell coming back after 8 and a half years, at 48 years old to KO Tito Ortiz’s knuckles
Point 3 just isnt true dude. They're changed forever due to their brain being damaged in the fight. They can think They're physically and mentally the same but they arent. You're more susceptible to brain damage the more concussions/ concussive blows you receive. Thats why 1 KO leads to many more after. The build up of damage from the 2 hendricks fights, rory fight and condit fight certainly lead to his "chin" being weaker. Yeah the right from woodley would have KOd an elephant, but robbie definitely was more likely to be put out after those scraps. My guy JDS was definitely more open to KO shots after the 2 losses to cain
Some guys think ring rust isn't a thing but have been proven wrong. Kind of like Triple C coming back after a couple years and fighting the champ. He might have actually won if he'd taken a tune-up fight first.
Really? Against Aljo, Aljo is 5'11 and cejudo is 5'4 and was 37, then Merab made him look like a chew toy. (Incase anyone doesn't understand this comment is a joke)
Im pretty sure it’s this channel but they took samples of over 1000 fighters and analysed wins to loses and took into account whether or not they had time off or not and there was no difference in win lose rate, Also Triple C is old… way beyond his prime
Saying Ring Rust isn't real is the ignorant take of somebody that hasn't participated in 1 on 1/ Combat Sports. Competition is a skill and just like every other skill the more you do it, the better you get at it; If you havent competed in a long time, then that skill isn't as refined as it once was or could be.
So the thing about “to be the champ, you gotta BEAT the champ.”, doesn’t mean you have to beat a champion more convincingly than a regular opponent. It just means the draw goes to the incumbent. Example: If it’s clearly 2 rounds a piece going into the fifth, and the fifth is razor close, you give the round to the champion.
I disagree on the take for "Take it from the champ": Just due to the nature of MMA scoring, it's very hard for the fight to end in a Draw. In cases where the fight should be viewed as a draw, the champ should retain the belt. But since without point deductions or 10/8's, it's not likely to happen.
There's a difference between myth and unspoken rule. The first one is (and should be) an unspoken rule. If its a close decision, it should go to the champ.
The whole MMA is entertainment argument is beyond annoying, it’s always usually followed by "we only want to see knock outs, none of the hugging shit" which yeah, KO’s are exciting but if that’s what you’re hanging around for, you’re a casual, especially considering the amount of skill and talent these guys put on display
ive seen lots of hardcore no lives that spend their livelyhoods wathcing / talking about mma say card is only good with number of KO's. high KO's = hidden gem / excellent card / surprisingly good card. low KO's = dissapointment, underperformed, too much grappling etc.
I think that that is true for the majority of UFC fans, Not MMA fans or fans of a specific martial art. Grappling can be super technical and fan to watch, Same with watching a great back and forth brawl like Poirier v Holloway, No KO's but a really great fight. Seeing the talent on display is always fun to watch, KO's are awesome too.
@@eddieprieto6511 in other sports being a hardcore fan or "stan" is seen as a bad thing. "oh youre a mark then? why dont you touch grass or get a job!".
@@johnmarkson1990 I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a casual fan of any sport, Nor is there anything wrong with being a hardcore fan (obviously you need to have a grip on reality and not think that your teams performance actually affects your life but there is nothing wrong with showing passion/love for your favourite team/athlete etc) It’s about what type of casual fan you are, You have to respect MMA for what it is, You have to understand the intricacies of different disciplines and how technically skilled someone is. Same for other sports, Like American Football for example, Everyone loves the highlight reel stuff but 80%+ of any NFL isn’t super hard hits or 40+ yard TD’s, Most of the time it’s 4 yard runs or 7 yard passes.
The assumption is that the champion has won the belt, so if it’s really close than the judges will lean towards the defending champion. Plus there is less scrutiny usually because the challenger can’t claim he was screwed if it’s that close he needed to do more to claim the title
Tell me you have never fought without telling me you have never fought. Ring rust affects different people in different ways. But it absolutely exists. And to say it doesn't is incredibly stupid and shows an utter lack of experience.
I'm not a fighter myself but I feel like you don't have to be to realize that this a thing that happen, even if it affect some more than others (and again maybe some not at all). Probably isn't limited to fighting but to any kind of sport or activity when you're put on the spot and you get nervous because you haven't done it in a long while. Seems like a natural psychological phenomenon. Of course, I'm sure the opposite can happen too on some occasions, when you get *too* comfortable and lose that nervousness that keep you on your toes. So yeah, it's a complicated psychological phenomenon and definitely not something that statistically will always go against someone who hasn't fought in a while, but just because it's hard to show statistically doesn't mean it isn't real. Very silly point.
I understand Dana. If the title fight is 50/50, could go either way, the champ shouldn’t lose the belt that way. We’re kind of used to the judges being biased like if it’s 50/50 in a fighters home country they rarely lose a split decision. To beat the champ you should have to really beat the champ or it’s a successful title defend.
@@traviswright7628 Sean beat Dricus up more than dricus beat Sean up. Could’ve gone either way but imo Sean “defended” his belt. In Grasso vs Valentina, even tho the fight was called a draw grasso walks home with the belt that’s kinda a successful defense.
Well, non-ufc fighters being not that good has some merit. You listed only _good_ examples. But for every good example there are 10 bad examples. Also "good" example of Chandler, who literally lost to every top-5 fighter he fought, lol? UFC is above everyone else. Yes, there are people in other promotions that are capable of being top-5 in UFC. But if you combine all other promotions you will find like 10-15 people that will be there maybe, and this is within all weight classes, period. While UFC will have 50 fighters of the same caliber. Sorry, this is not a myth, this is reality. Even the most recent example of Venom. Sure, cool, but you gave him guy with literally _zero_ wrestling. Pair him vs Belal so MVP will polish canvas with his back for 25 minutes in 25 minute fight, lol.
But same is true the other way. UFC has a ton of shitty fighters, relatively speaking. Like, 95% of unranked guys aren't necessarily better than unranked or ranked guys in other promotions, they just got to UFC faster.
@@matepavic6929UFC is the largest promotion so ofc it has shitty fighters. What I'm saying is that from top-20-50-100 fighters in the world you will have 80% of UFC fighters. This is more or less it. Like when you have 40 years old Benson Henderson somewhere at the top of Bellator... Or unbeated Amosov losing to 12-4 guy... Or UFC 39 years old reject being top-2 LHW fighter in bellator... Etc. Sure you can say that Prochazka captured the title, but he lost it really soon. Chandler? Entertaining but like top-10 material and on the decline. Same I can say for MVP. Etc, etc,etc.
@@МихаилЧалый-щ3ж Well, yes, of course they have the bigger part of the best ones, but that's not the point, because a lot of the fighters in UFC are not part of those 80% and those 20% on the outside are still pretty good.
Colby Covington being counted as a top 5 fighter. He’s not even top 15 in his weight class. He’s literally only there because him and the Tomato White fellate the orange goblin.
Fights do change fighters to a certain extent... For instance, once your chin gets cracked you're more likely to get knocked out again, and the more times it happens the more likely it is to happen again
My goodness, you guys miss the mark sometimes. Just that first one isn’t a myth, no one ever thinks it’s a genuine ‘rule’, it’s just a turn of phrase when it comes to close fights.
To be the champ youve gotta beat the champ only holds in that you have to win the fight. Every round should be judged exactly the same, and barely scraping by with a split decision is just as legitimate as an instant KO or a dominant decision. If you lose the fight, no matter how you do it, you lose the belt. Anyone who thinks a win has to be convincing and clear to gain the belt should not be allowed to have opinions on mma.
I always thought 'non-ufc fighters are scrubs' was a strange thing to believe.. ..where do ufc fighters come from? They're just born with a contract?? They have to come from somewhere.. That 'somewhere' being, pretty obviously, outside the UFC
Craziest thing is that it goes beyond professional sports. I graduated high school 10 years ago and kids were doing these things to trick the hydration tests
Boxing has no real way to discredit MMA, the tapping being quitting thing is nonsense. On top of preventing a pointless injury you can shit your pants or piss yourself when you get choked out. Do you want to be the guy that shit himself and lost the fight? Or do you maybe want to tap when you have no way out, go back to training the next day and work on that choke defense, because you still have a career.
It depends. If that fight results in you tearing a ligament or breaking a bone, then yeah, if it doesn't heal right it will affect you for a long time, sometimes forever. But the idea that being in a war "takes their soul" is really dumb and not supported by anything. Most fighters have their careers halted or ended due to hard training and injuries, not from a fight.
I've heard you guys mention not liking the whole "you gotta beat the man (convincingly)" thing a few times and I think your misunderstanding it slightly. Its not that you shouldn't be able to win a close fight if you're the challenger. Its more that if a round is too close to call, or could be given either way, it should be given to the champ. So round 2 of strickland vs du plessis (iirc) which most people agree was pretty much a draw, should be given to strickland. (If you had to watch it more than once to decide who won, its basically a draw)
But it shouldn’t be given to the champ just cos it’s close. Absolute bullshit. The title is essentially vacant once the bell rings, the defending champ isn’t afforded some sort of privilege that makes it easier for him to retain his title. Both fighters have the same scoring criteria to work within, end of. Stupidiest shit ever.
@@FuntClaps101 im not saying give all close round to the champ. Im saying give the draws to the champ. Draw rounds dont actually exist in the scoring but some are too close to call.
I don't think they are misunderstanding it. I think for most people it is exactly what they say in this video, the defender has to win in a more impressive manner. Even going by your more specific definition it's still not in the rules, and it shouldn't be. The champ doesn't get any advantages, otherwise it would not be a fair fight. It's not that hard to understand.
@@no_nameyouknow but the champ does get an advantage. If the fight is a draw, the champ keeps the belt. There is no rule for what happens if the round is a draw, the judge still has to pick someone.
The one that pisses me off the most is when people see a staredown and psychoanalyze it and think its gonna have anything to do with how the fight is gonna go
JJ doesn't always look at people during the staredowns and he's the goat.
Most times it means nothing but there have been a few where you can genuinely see someone snap. But they are very rare since everyone in the ufc has atleast a minimum amount of dog in them, yk.
Agreed. O’Malley looked nervous as heck during his walkout before the Sterling fight and he startched him. Sean Strickland looked weird during the face off vs Izzy and he outclassed him. Masvidal was very intense in his staredowns vs Kamaru and Colby and he got outclassed too.
You are shook 😂
I remember people saying Strickland wasn't go to beat Adesanya because Sean didn't even seem to want to do the face off.
Mark Coleman is awake, distraught about his puppy but grateful, hopefully Coleman recovers well
Was it barkin'?
@@kevincarter2020are you an idiot?
@@kevincarter2020is that an attempt at humour 🤔🙄
One of the most amazing stories of heroism I've ever seen. He was already a legend in the sport, but as a human being in general he's proved legendary too.
@kevincarter2020. Way to just tell everyone you have the brain of a chicken. Lmfao, seriously.
"In boxing they don't tap out" he says while conveniently ignoring fighters who quit on their stools.
i remember watching a boxing title fight on tv when i was a kid and the undefeated champ just quit on his stool
since then i always have it in the back of my mind that boxers are WAY more likely to be quitters than in any other combat sport
i cant remember any kickboxing or muay thai fights i watched that ended by someone just quitting in between rounds
Or just don't get up after a knockdown. Just stay down for the 10 count.
theres a man that has a nickname now from making so many stop visily "no mas" "no more" lomachenko like what is he actually thinking alot of people stop when they have to
In boxing you can take a knee. You do that in MMA and you're getting rekt.
Any Boxer will quit in a mma match when they get their legs obliterated because they don’t know how to check kicks.
The checkmate analogy is just.... (*chef's kiss*) so well put
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Why? The ufc is fake
I’ve always understood “you gotta take it from the champ” to mean the tie goes to the champ.
Yeah, it doesn't. Or at least it shouldn't be
This is what it means to me. Rounds too close to call should be given to the champ. A draw would mean the champ keeps the belt so the same should apply for each round.
@@Bedwards42 They shouldn't. They shouldn't inherently be given to anyone. Except the one judge feels like he did a big more.
@@matepavic6929I didn’t say I necessarily agree with the thinking, it’s just always been what I thought people meant when they make the statement.
We're on the same page there but you've got to admit though that the champ being counted out or disqualified meaning the belt doesn't change hands is a really weird and unfair rule.
Boxers after running away for 10 2 minute rounds: “how dare you not let someone rip your arm off?”
Why don’t you let your opponent just knock you out? You’re a quitter for dodging punches
That Fucking Stupid idea bugged me too.. Nobody just taps and quits cause they want to; they're about to get a limb torn apart in no time, and it's either permanent damage or not, plus the loss..
8:07 regarding fighters being quitters/tap outs - this quote implies boxers don’t quit on their stools all the time? Or like their corners throwing in the towel. It’s not quitting, it’s living to fight another day
prayers for mark coleman 🙏
he awake and breathing on his own 🙏
absolute hero@@tedor7988
Rip to his dog. Hope mark gets through this🙏🏽
RIP Lil hammer
Lol yeah because fucking prayers help 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So I guess Max Kellerman in his 20+ years of covering boxing has never seen a towel thrown in the ring?
im a casual and didnt realise fighters could quit on their stools until way late into it. i saw a video on no mas chenko making fighters quit and thought "wtf". ive never seen this before does this really happen? how can you make a fighter quit on the stool? whereas mma like 2 fights in on the card these guys were tapping / gassing out quick.
To give him a bit of credit, I think he's saying it's not as routinely a part of boxing where multiple fighters on a card in a night will tap, vs how there might be one towel thrown in a boxer's career. Which is also done by the corner, not the fighter. Wilder famously protested the stoppage with Fury for instance.
Even still I agree with you and disagree with Max obviously, just trying to give him a fair shake is all.
@@MMAOnPoint Solid point.
I'm biased, I think a lot of it goes down to statistics, in mma there's submissions as well as all the other ways to win (ko, decision, ref/dr stoppage, corner??) But in boxing you really are either beat up 12 rounds or its ko city, not too many chances to tap, with the constant head blows (where mma mixes it up, pardon the pun)
Did we not see Ryan garcia not get up from a kidney shot. He took a knee and sat there. Try that in mma. Lol
Just to add to your point, Robbie Lawler had just went 10 Rounds with Johny Hendricks between the 2 Rory McDonald wars, before the Carlos Condit classic, which sure as hell contributed to the Tyron Woodley KO loss. 23 straight FOTN rounds is probably 18 too many in the first place.
Yeah, I think putting it all on one fight as opposed to an entire career seems a bit hyperbolic. Outside of a life-changing injury like a leg being broken, it's hard to see one fight being to blame.
Lawler was a beast .
@@MMAOnPointOne fight definetely can be a career shattering. There were quite many examples, like Luke Rockhold vs Chris Weidman, TJ Dillashaw vs Cody Garbrandt, Henry Cejudo vs Marlon Moraes, Justin Gaethje vs Tony Ferguson, Geoff Neal vs Vicente Luque just to name a few
The way to fix weight cutting is to have the guys not only weigh in on Friday but also weigh in right before they fight.
Or right after they leave the cage.
Guys that fight at welterweight might enter the cage weighing 190 lbs. Your weight entering the cage should correspond to your weight division. It would make things a lot safer
The checkmate analogy is spot on and I'm unashamedly stealing it
A resign in chess is when you lay your king down and concede. That fits the tap out analogy much better. Edit; A checkmate its all ready over, more closely analogous to a knockout.
@@baronvonhoughton Using your logic surely a checkmate is more akin to a TKO then?
@tribecalledmason1917 Yeah man KO / TKO, no quitting possible it's already over.
Lack of knock downs as in boxing and kickboxing/thai automatically makes mma way safer than these sports.
This is the most brain dead comment there are more injuries in fighting of all kinds then head injuries
Boxings issue is multiple concussions as the ref stops the fight and gives the KOd guy time to get back up to get KOd again
@@ajpajunen6855 the most important injuries happen to the brain in these sports
@@ajpajunen6855 There are more injuries on the playground than on oil rigs, but which do you think is more dangerous?
If you didn't understand what I meant by this, the injuries you sustain for non-head wounds are less detrimental to your health in most cases, so just because there are "more injuries in fighting of all kinds(playground)" doesn't mean that it is inherently less safe. I'd rather have a mixture of injuries than getting almost K.O'd, let up again with wobbly legs and a weakened guard, then knocked out cold(Oil rig).
Look at Ngannou's fight against AJ; he gets knocked down, recovers enough to stand, and then gets knocked tf out, making the K.O more brutal than it would've been with some ground and pound.
@@SomethingSomethingCompletebut herrings your limbs hyperextended or having oxygen supplies cut off from your brain isn’t really safe either
Regarding number 1, not only did Mike Tyson have sex before fights, but he would have sex in the locker room minutes before his fights. He said that he felt like if he didn't, he would kill his opponent.
Wild shit haha!
But, why would he have that sex with guys?
Yeah shame it wasnt consensual
Mike being weird when it comes to sex? I don’t believe it
@nattyfatty6.0 Habibi, please stop being cringe.
Ring Rust is kinda real. But it's not directly correlated to how long you've been off vs. how well you do, but rather what you do during your time off. Gsp stays in incredible shape and consistently trains to stay healthy and showed it in his return.
A fighter who is recovering from an injury and can't train because it might have ring rust, but thats because they couldn't be training consistently.
It's not the time off but rather what you have been doing during that time.
It is real
ring rust by definition is time spent away from the ring. its not real. what you described is training rust or sparring rust. someone that hasnt sparred in a while like max holloway will usually lose to a guy thats been sparring a lot.
Dom Cruz disproves everything you just said. Ring rust isn't real.
@@johnmarkson1990 Max Holloway has beaten multiple people since he stopped sparring. You make no sense. Stick to watching WWE.
@@Cilent__ if you think stopping sparring is some magic recipe to win every fight then youre wrong. max would lose every fight if he didnt spar like crazy growing up as a kid.
Ayo that chess and tap out analogy is so on point
Dudes saying Strickland didn't do enough to keep his belt are the same ones saying Jones did enough to beat Reyes
Ring rust depends on how many fights you've had previously and if you continued training in between
Ring Rust is absolutely a real thing. Not sure what this guy is smoking.
Context is always needed
@@dqrepshe's saying that he can't find a fight in which it happened. A bunch of fights show that it doesn't exist. None that do.
@@dqreps its really not because how does ring rust affect you from training? undertaker has said fighting once a year is harder then wrestling everyday cause your out of shape but thats a different sport. just spar mma everyday and you will be fine taking even 5 year breaks. the only argument is "getting used to the crowd" and thats a shitty one unless the fighter has social anxiety disorder like lesnar does.
@@johnmarkson1990lmao don't you ever bring up wrestlers when talking about real combat sports. Get outta here
Poor Terry Etim. He’s never going to be able to run away from that epic Barbosa head kick.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose MMA ain't a fairy tale. Hope Terry is doing well ❤
@@random__joe - I sure hope he's doing better, last I heard he jumped out of a car in Liverpool and threw himself in front of a bus and was seriously injured, was rushed to the hospital covered in blood and spent a couple months there...
for life altering fight part how was micheal bisping not mentioned
He’s the poster child for that for sure
MVPs skull breaking knee
@imaXkillXya That is the first fight I thought of. After lookin at an X-ray of that man's scull you might think he actually is a Cyborg!
"to be the champ you gotta beat the champ"
The worst one.
Like the defending champ has a different scoring criteria to follow that makes it easier for him to win.
Title is essentially vacant when the bell rings.
I thought that was always in reference to a draw
@FuntClaps101 I think low level thinkers assume this is because of judging criteria. Anyone with a half functioning brain knows it means in case of a draw. Some may misuse it but I believe you're in the first category
TO BE THE MAN, YOU GOTTA BEAT THE MAN! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
@@FuntClaps101 it depends if the judges are actually scoring it like that. damage is supposed to be more important but judges are inconsistent and only follow that rule like 80% of the time for some reason. jon jones benefited from the you gotta beat the champ rule for example.
Saying ring rust is a myth is wild
Yeah most of the examples used are dudes pretty much people recognized as the top fighters in their respective weight classes. I can’t agree with that.
Would getting banged out in the street equate to “street rust”?
No, you just got banged out.
I’m pretty sure it’s this channel but they sampled over 1000 MMA fighters and took into account time off and win to loss ratio etc. and concluded that it wasn’t real
It depends. A guy who never spars but does drills will show more signs of ring rust than the guy who is sparring and going live more often. Hitting mitts and riding a bike will only do so much if you are not ready for a moving target that is also hitting you back
Well dom cruz disagrees
The "you have to beat the man" rule existed for jon Jones when fought Reyes
Tapping out is a resignation, not checkmate. Checkmate is more along the lines of a knockout, where no options remain available. A final defeat. The king cannot escape to safety, nor can it be saved. Just like how a knockout is final.
Resignation is a recognition that your defeat is inevitable and no winning moves or positions can be achieved from the current game state. You aren’t escaping a fully locked in rear naked choke, the same way you won’t escape the checkmate in 7 that your opponent just found. No matter what you do, if your opponent plays the right moves you’re losing. You can’t save yourself, you can only hope to limit the damage
Ring Rust in professional wrestling has always referred to out of training and action from injury. I assume it would be the same in MMA. The examples you gave I assume went back to training before their fight hence they didn't have much ring rust because they started training again. They got back into the groove of it.
I'm not as familiar with the pro wrestling side of it, but like the Jones example Dana was just saying before Jones talked in the clip I used, that he believed Ring Rust could be a factor in the fight with Gane. And that was despite knowing Jones was training the whole time. His clips of training for heavyweight had been shared everywhere for several years as well as the word about his commitment to it among the community. For guys like Dana, it's absolutely a belief in actually going out there and dealing with not even just the fight, but the pressure, the media, bright lights, etc.
“Traditional Martial Arts don’t work in MMA” is my least favorite myth. It’s wildly untrue. TMA’s have had tremendous success in MMA, with Karo Parisyan, Lyoto Machida, GSP, Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell, Cung Le, Pat Barry, Dan Severn and so on and so forth having tremendous success with TMA bases.
The chess analogy to describe tapping is perfect.
It could go a little further even, at high level if there's a guaranteed checkmate within a few moves that both players can clearly see, the losing player will often just concede because the game is already determined.
I consider "you gotta beat the champ.." is talking about a draw
The biggest myth is "the rules are favorable for everyone", they clearly favor wrestlers and it's not even up for debate.
That's in fact debatable, in the UFC they do favour wrestlers but you got cases in ONE FC for example where they actually penalize wrestlers on extremely shaky grounds, calling just about any back toss "spiking" and ruining the results of fair fights, just cause they want kickboxing matches with tiny gloves. Every promotion has shitty rules, they simply vary depending on geography.
Oh yeah like that rule where if someone can’t get a takedown in a few minutes they just make them get on the ground, or that other rule where if they end the round off the ground they make them start on the ground, or maybe that OTHER rule where if a guy who is on the bottom can foul without consequences in order to keep the Ref from standing them up.
VERY tilted in the wrestlers favor let me tell ya
The only rule that favors wrestlers is the ban on knees to downed opponents.
Other than that the rules favor damage a whole lot more than control time and takedowns.
It doesn’t matter how many times a striker gets takedown in a round if they’re out -striking and out-damaging the wrestler
@@FunkyFlunky2332 ah yes the mythical pride knees, nevermind that those were pretty much only used by wrestlers and typically then only against worse wrestlers. And as far as control time over damage if they weren't being reset between rounds or when nothing constructive happened wrestlers would be even more dominant than strikers, a striker gets to start where they have the advantage and the match gets replaced there after five minutes no matter how badly he is losing.
@@FunkyFlunky2332 Not true. The 12 to 6 non authorized elbow is another rule favouring wrestlers. Someone shoot into your legs, you are not authorized to elbow is head or spinal column with the most obviously powerful elbow at your disposal.
I'm all in on these except for the 'Life Altering' one. There are 100% fights that change someone permanently.
The checkmate analogy to tapping is exactly right. Kellerman will immediately understand if and when he does his first hard spar in a BJJ class. You don’t even have to try MMA. And there’s checkmate in boxing or any other striking martial art. It’s called a TKO. It’s when the referee, who has a tonne of experience in knowing when a fighter is done, says you’re done. The fact that it happens by third party intervention rather than tap isn’t actually that important.
3:04 in boxing it is certainly a thing, I guess because in MMA they fight a lot less in a year it will be less noticable. In boxing specifically the further back you go they fought a lot more, to an extent that before 1950s if you didn't fight in 6 months you were considered retired and would be dicouraged from ever entering the ring again because you'd dropped off so far from where you left off.
I think the ring rust one doesn't fit in with the other 9. Yes, ring rust is a thing and acting as if because so and so beat so and so after a certain period of time makes it untrue that a long period of inactivity in doing something makes one worse at it. The reality of ring rust is that it probably plays a smaller part than most people think it does in the outcome of a fight but it's still definitely a factor and I think it's silly to act like it outright doesn't exist.
This guy has some kind of problem with colloquial phrases and he takes things too literally.
All valid points, but the 4 is just plain wrong, if you get punched in your head 200 times and then Ko'd, it WILL be life/career altering
I don't think, in most cases, people mean a fighter is fundamentally *worse* after a career-changing fight, just *different* in some way.
There are absolutely career altering fights, I'm not really sure how you could say that's fake and also be a fan of the sport for a long time when it's so obvious that that is an objective reality.
I love that Tyson Fury blamed ring rust for being out of the ring for a year.. fighting a guy that hadn’t fought in almost two years but in a different sport and had NEVER fought in a boxing ring
Francis got sent back to MMA already by Joshua.
My personal theory is that, the doofus didn’t practice at all. I think he MAYBE stayed in decent shape considering he doesn’t have such a pretty body, (all his fights), so he was prolly running a bit. Or maybe hitting the bag here and there, but the dude performed like he got off the couch, so convinced he was gonna clutch. And realistically, he shoulda. But here’s a case where hard work beats talent. Because Francis took it serious and practiced and worked out. In my opinion, Francis beat a dude who most likely didnt show up to practice at all. Like not one fuckin bit
the argument about quitting in mma is hilarious considering how many fighters in boxing get the towel thrown in throw in the towel themselves or quit on the stool or in the corner...not to mention all the fighters who find a way out. how many times for the other boxing fans have you seen a boxer clearly outmatched who take a solid but not fight ending shot take a knee and choose not to get up. its a bit harder to distinguish these but man there are some where you KNOW. so quitting in boxing if anything is alot more prevalent than actual quitting in mma
There is a way to predict fights.
1: listen to Brendan Schaub.
2: Pick the opposite guy.
If you don't wish to endure hearing Brendan Schaub talk, Chael Sonnen and Drake are acceptable alternatives for step 1.
Hahaha damnit. Need to start trying that!
3 is absolutely true,
Fighters get their ass beat so bad they come back a shell of their former self.
Or sometimes sustain injuries
that are career altering/ending.
ring rust is a thing. You names a bunch of legends as your example. Unicorns. Not the same. You take time off from anything you’re gonna be rusty.
Ring rust is t real because three of the GOATs of their respective weight classes didn’t show it…??? Bro they’re the greatest of their weight class.
Spoiler: #1 - jiu jitsu isn’t real
Had to spoil that myth. It was time.
Dude, #10 is absolutely true, *sometimes* . It's certainly not "untrue". This sh*t happens all the time, & literally *nobody* thought anyone meant in the *official rules* ...wtf?
If a title fight goes to a DRAW. The belt should go to the defender (champion).
This is what they mean by “the challenger has to take it from the champion”
Totally agree
How the hell did Conor escape being one of the examples of ring rust proven right? Yeah, he beat Cowboy convincingly after the 229 layoff but aside from that, he’s lost every fight since becoming Champ Champ. And I don’t fancy his chances if the Chandler bout ever happens.
i think you skewed the “beat the man” myth a bit. It’s not that you rewrite the rules so challengers can’t win decisions. It’sin a close fight where it’s perceived to be very even (more like a draw), The champion should always retain.
That doesn't make any sense because fights are scored by round.
Depending on the fighter, ring rust is absolutely a real thing
Uriah Hall said he was never the same after his vicious KO on the tough series. He said he was scared of his own power, and held back a lot of the time after that fight.
The "tough" series
TUF
Nah, I don't believe it, he knocked out guys after that fight and was celebrating. The only reason he lost those fights is because he wasn't the better fighter not because he held back, like the dude thinks he's Goku or something.
@@colindowden2182most definitely! Not tryna demean any fighter, but it’s what you signed up for. Like if a soldier was upset he had to kill someone. It’s tough, but it’s literally what you signed up for. If your gonna stay, why avoid what your clearly here to do.
Brother , there are things called unwritten rules in sports . You don’t take the champ belt away if the fight was close you just tip it in his favor . It’s not a written rule my guy , of course not. It’s an unwritten thing that the judges just do .
You should have to beat the champ in a clear and convincing way to take his belt .
I love UFC but that is second closest to WWE, the sport aspect is so bad. There is no title structure, we have seen time and time again of people who beat tomato cans and get title shots. Love it as a whole, and would keep watchin every PPV I can. But that is the true
its the vince mcmahon model. basically push your big stars into big positions. even if they arent the most talented (guys like stone cold undertaker the rock john cena are terrible in the ring compared to chris benoit, bret hitman hart, cm punk etc)
@@johnmarkson1990 yeah exactly. Don't get me wrong I like to watch the fights where there is a bit of bad blood. But that ain't sport, and I'm not gonna lie to myself about it.
A non fighter, non athlete made this list
Georges St. Pimp isn't called that for nothing, lmao
You used to see those videos of him back in the day everywhere. He definitely toned down the public side of all that over time.
MMA And boxing may be equally as dangerous.But no man's skull has ever been crushed in boxing 💀☠️
Thank you! I hate the “you have to TAKE it from the champ” and “I’m close title fights, give it to the champ”. No, because if the champ is soooo good, it SHOULD NOT BE CLOSE. So if the new guy comes in and does just enough, he’s the champ. Hell, he might even go on a streak, or he could lose his first defense. Doesn’t matter, that man/woman beat the champ.
I don´t know how unpopular this take is, but I think that they can´t keep using the Boxing point system for every round in MMA. I really think that the PRIDE system was better, each judge chooses who won the fight and that´s it. That way, those close decisions will be reduced.
One that is insanely overlooked is Bas Rutten coming back in July 2006 after not fighting since May 1999. Or even Chuck Liddell coming back after 8 and a half years, at 48 years old to KO Tito Ortiz’s knuckles
Point 3 just isnt true dude. They're changed forever due to their brain being damaged in the fight. They can think They're physically and mentally the same but they arent. You're more susceptible to brain damage the more concussions/ concussive blows you receive. Thats why 1 KO leads to many more after. The build up of damage from the 2 hendricks fights, rory fight and condit fight certainly lead to his "chin" being weaker. Yeah the right from woodley would have KOd an elephant, but robbie definitely was more likely to be put out after those scraps. My guy JDS was definitely more open to KO shots after the 2 losses to cain
Some guys think ring rust isn't a thing but have been proven wrong. Kind of like Triple C coming back after a couple years and fighting the champ. He might have actually won if he'd taken a tune-up fight first.
Really? Against Aljo, Aljo is 5'11 and cejudo is 5'4 and was 37, then Merab made him look like a chew toy.
(Incase anyone doesn't understand this comment is a joke)
@@bazzascott8935 Dude, Aljo is 5 feet 7.
Im pretty sure it’s this channel but they took samples of over 1000 fighters and analysed wins to loses and took into account whether or not they had time off or not and there was no difference in win lose rate, Also Triple C is old… way beyond his prime
@@blastfiend7478 Win and loss doesn't tell you all. Their performance quality tells you more.
@@matepavic6929 not in that fight
tbh if they wanted to remove weight cutting it would be really easy. Just weight in the same day of the fight
Why is there no music in the background it feels like I’m watching some strange podcast 😭
Was that a question?
Saying Ring Rust isn't real is the ignorant take of somebody that hasn't participated in 1 on 1/ Combat Sports. Competition is a skill and just like every other skill the more you do it, the better you get at it; If you havent competed in a long time, then that skill isn't as refined as it once was or could be.
yea lets see a boxer finally come over here and we'll see how long they keep that tapping is for quitters mindset
Not even done yet and this is definitely one of your best videos ever.
So Duran’s no mas was not quitting
In boxing I seen plenty of fighters take a knee to recover from something. Boxing has time outs lol. Mma has no time outs lol
So the thing about “to be the champ, you gotta BEAT the champ.”, doesn’t mean you have to beat a champion more convincingly than a regular opponent. It just means the draw goes to the incumbent.
Example: If it’s clearly 2 rounds a piece going into the fifth, and the fifth is razor close, you give the round to the champion.
Jones looked slow and a bit off vs Gane. Was smart enough to know he would lose a stand up fight. Rust is real for sure.
I disagree on the take for "Take it from the champ": Just due to the nature of MMA scoring, it's very hard for the fight to end in a Draw. In cases where the fight should be viewed as a draw, the champ should retain the belt. But since without point deductions or 10/8's, it's not likely to happen.
Exactly. His take in this video was just weird.
There's a difference between myth and unspoken rule. The first one is (and should be) an unspoken rule. If its a close decision, it should go to the champ.
The whole MMA is entertainment argument is beyond annoying, it’s always usually followed by "we only want to see knock outs, none of the hugging shit" which yeah, KO’s are exciting but if that’s what you’re hanging around for, you’re a casual, especially considering the amount of skill and talent these guys put on display
ive seen lots of hardcore no lives that spend their livelyhoods wathcing / talking about mma say card is only good with number of KO's. high KO's = hidden gem / excellent card / surprisingly good card. low KO's = dissapointment, underperformed, too much grappling etc.
I think that that is true for the majority of UFC fans, Not MMA fans or fans of a specific martial art.
Grappling can be super technical and fan to watch, Same with watching a great back and forth brawl like Poirier v Holloway, No KO's but a really great fight.
Seeing the talent on display is always fun to watch, KO's are awesome too.
If it wasn't for casuals, then nobody would really watch UFC. Most fans are casual viewers.
@@eddieprieto6511 in other sports being a hardcore fan or "stan" is seen as a bad thing. "oh youre a mark then? why dont you touch grass or get a job!".
@@johnmarkson1990 I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a casual fan of any sport, Nor is there anything wrong with being a hardcore fan (obviously you need to have a grip on reality and not think that your teams performance actually affects your life but there is nothing wrong with showing passion/love for your favourite team/athlete etc)
It’s about what type of casual fan you are, You have to respect MMA for what it is, You have to understand the intricacies of different disciplines and how technically skilled someone is.
Same for other sports, Like American Football for example, Everyone loves the highlight reel stuff but 80%+ of any NFL isn’t super hard hits or 40+ yard TD’s, Most of the time it’s 4 yard runs or 7 yard passes.
The assumption is that the champion has won the belt, so if it’s really close than the judges will lean towards the defending champion. Plus there is less scrutiny usually because the challenger can’t claim he was screwed if it’s that close he needed to do more to claim the title
Tell me you have never fought without telling me you have never fought. Ring rust affects different people in different ways. But it absolutely exists. And to say it doesn't is incredibly stupid and shows an utter lack of experience.
I'm not a fighter myself but I feel like you don't have to be to realize that this a thing that happen, even if it affect some more than others (and again maybe some not at all). Probably isn't limited to fighting but to any kind of sport or activity when you're put on the spot and you get nervous because you haven't done it in a long while. Seems like a natural psychological phenomenon. Of course, I'm sure the opposite can happen too on some occasions, when you get *too* comfortable and lose that nervousness that keep you on your toes.
So yeah, it's a complicated psychological phenomenon and definitely not something that statistically will always go against someone who hasn't fought in a while, but just because it's hard to show statistically doesn't mean it isn't real. Very silly point.
I think it's more that it doesn't effect people who are already world class fighters
“You need the combination of both star power with ability which leads to believability” is so valid
I understand Dana. If the title fight is 50/50, could go either way, the champ shouldn’t lose the belt that way. We’re kind of used to the judges being biased like if it’s 50/50 in a fighters home country they rarely lose a split decision. To beat the champ you should have to really beat the champ or it’s a successful title defend.
Im sorry sean lost, but the notion the champ should have an advantage going into the fight just because he is champion is honeslty dumb
@@traviswright7628 Sean beat Dricus up more than dricus beat Sean up. Could’ve gone either way but imo Sean “defended” his belt. In Grasso vs Valentina, even tho the fight was called a draw grasso walks home with the belt that’s kinda a successful defense.
The champ doesn't lose the belt if it is truly 50-50 dum dum. A tie means the champ retains.
U guys dig so deap, and elaborate so well. #1 mma Channel hands down.
Well, non-ufc fighters being not that good has some merit.
You listed only _good_ examples. But for every good example there are 10 bad examples. Also "good" example of Chandler, who literally lost to every top-5 fighter he fought, lol?
UFC is above everyone else. Yes, there are people in other promotions that are capable of being top-5 in UFC. But if you combine all other promotions you will find like 10-15 people that will be there maybe, and this is within all weight classes, period. While UFC will have 50 fighters of the same caliber. Sorry, this is not a myth, this is reality.
Even the most recent example of Venom. Sure, cool, but you gave him guy with literally _zero_ wrestling. Pair him vs Belal so MVP will polish canvas with his back for 25 minutes in 25 minute fight, lol.
But same is true the other way. UFC has a ton of shitty fighters, relatively speaking. Like, 95% of unranked guys aren't necessarily better than unranked or ranked guys in other promotions, they just got to UFC faster.
@@matepavic6929UFC is the largest promotion so ofc it has shitty fighters. What I'm saying is that from top-20-50-100 fighters in the world you will have 80% of UFC fighters. This is more or less it.
Like when you have 40 years old Benson Henderson somewhere at the top of Bellator... Or unbeated Amosov losing to 12-4 guy... Or UFC 39 years old reject being top-2 LHW fighter in bellator... Etc.
Sure you can say that Prochazka captured the title, but he lost it really soon. Chandler? Entertaining but like top-10 material and on the decline. Same I can say for MVP. Etc, etc,etc.
@@МихаилЧалый-щ3ж Well, yes, of course they have the bigger part of the best ones, but that's not the point, because a lot of the fighters in UFC are not part of those 80% and those 20% on the outside are still pretty good.
To use the *goat* as an example of an average, is... unacceptable.
Colby Covington being counted as a top 5 fighter. He’s not even top 15 in his weight class.
He’s literally only there because him and the Tomato White fellate the orange goblin.
Fights do change fighters to a certain extent... For instance, once your chin gets cracked you're more likely to get knocked out again, and the more times it happens the more likely it is to happen again
Prayers up for The Hammer
My goodness, you guys miss the mark sometimes. Just that first one isn’t a myth, no one ever thinks it’s a genuine ‘rule’, it’s just a turn of phrase when it comes to close fights.
The tapout analogy is spot on.
Ring rust is real. Don't agree. You can see it when the fighters are in the ring. Even if they win.
"to be the man, you got to beat the man. Woo!"
I hope you feel better and have recovered from whatever you were sick with during recording.
To be the champ youve gotta beat the champ only holds in that you have to win the fight. Every round should be judged exactly the same, and barely scraping by with a split decision is just as legitimate as an instant KO or a dominant decision. If you lose the fight, no matter how you do it, you lose the belt. Anyone who thinks a win has to be convincing and clear to gain the belt should not be allowed to have opinions on mma.
I always thought 'non-ufc fighters are scrubs' was a strange thing to believe..
..where do ufc fighters come from? They're just born with a contract?? They have to come from somewhere..
That 'somewhere' being, pretty obviously, outside the UFC
You started off with one that seems impossible to convince certain people otherwise.
Craziest thing is that it goes beyond professional sports. I graduated high school 10 years ago and kids were doing these things to trick the hydration tests
You dont need to beat the champ convincingly but doing so is way better for you and the fans
Boxing has no real way to discredit MMA, the tapping being quitting thing is nonsense. On top of preventing a pointless injury you can shit your pants or piss yourself when you get choked out. Do you want to be the guy that shit himself and lost the fight? Or do you maybe want to tap when you have no way out, go back to training the next day and work on that choke defense, because you still have a career.
If you and Joe Rogan narrated a video i would have trouble telling who is who.
Not these days. Rogan sounds like an old man who smokes too much now. Because he is. But yeah, he sounds like a younger, calmer Joe Rogan.
Been a while since I've seen this comment.😅 He does sound like a younger Joe
This should be the first video everyone should watch about MMA
If you dont think that a single fight can change someone you're delusional.
It depends. If that fight results in you tearing a ligament or breaking a bone, then yeah, if it doesn't heal right it will affect you for a long time, sometimes forever. But the idea that being in a war "takes their soul" is really dumb and not supported by anything. Most fighters have their careers halted or ended due to hard training and injuries, not from a fight.
Intrigued to hear your take on the "you are only as good as your last fight..." myth.
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Once again another masterful video, thank you guys!
I've heard you guys mention not liking the whole "you gotta beat the man (convincingly)" thing a few times and I think your misunderstanding it slightly. Its not that you shouldn't be able to win a close fight if you're the challenger. Its more that if a round is too close to call, or could be given either way, it should be given to the champ. So round 2 of strickland vs du plessis (iirc) which most people agree was pretty much a draw, should be given to strickland. (If you had to watch it more than once to decide who won, its basically a draw)
But it shouldn’t be given to the champ just cos it’s close. Absolute bullshit.
The title is essentially vacant once the bell rings, the defending champ isn’t afforded some sort of privilege that makes it easier for him to retain his title. Both fighters have the same scoring criteria to work within, end of.
Stupidiest shit ever.
@@FuntClaps101 im not saying give all close round to the champ. Im saying give the draws to the champ. Draw rounds dont actually exist in the scoring but some are too close to call.
I don't think they are misunderstanding it. I think for most people it is exactly what they say in this video, the defender has to win in a more impressive manner.
Even going by your more specific definition it's still not in the rules, and it shouldn't be. The champ doesn't get any advantages, otherwise it would not be a fair fight. It's not that hard to understand.
@@no_nameyouknow but the champ does get an advantage. If the fight is a draw, the champ keeps the belt. There is no rule for what happens if the round is a draw, the judge still has to pick someone.
Gaethje Ferguson. Never the same after....