Props to Reynor for heading out to korea again, it takes guts to do that. I really hope he does not give up. It's apparent he needs a coach/prep help because he is a great player and is really not used to the korean style prep tourneys and just laddering does not help him get to that next level that is needed for prep in GSL. I hope this doesn't get into his head, we all know he is a great player.
"Just" qualifying for Code S round of 16 is enough to say he's one of the best players in the world (as if it wasn't already clear). GSL hits different tho.
If reynor is going out 0-4 in GSL to hero and gumiho (not even peak Korean sc2 IMO) I think it proves that serral needs to win a GSL to prove he's goat. In other words, there truly is no conclusive goat in sc2
The thing is Serral had won multiple GSL vs the world in Korea already, that’s why Serral don’t want to come to Korea to compete in GSL anymore. I mean to be honest with you it’s not even worth it. You have to live in Korea for 2 months, and you win only 3000usd for being GSL champion? Im sorry but GSL is not as big as before anymore. It’s still very competitive and with Zerg nerfted and everything you probably right, serral will have a hard time but for 3k usd only? Nah
Who does Serral need to prove it to though? The Korean pros all think he's the best, the non-Korean pros think he's the best. The only people who don't are Artosis, Mizenhauer (the guy who made the GOAT list, with "Maru fan" listed in his TL bio lmao), and a minor group of Redditors who think GSL is the equivalent of the Holy Bible or something
I like how Reynor during Round A while casting tells how "this is not the right decision to make here" during several of the matches, and then he shows off his absolutely pro broodlord skill in the last game here... just flies back the broodlords effectively doing nothing with 100 army supply.
Honestly Broodlords weren't the correct endgame unit to make, in any case. Lurkers, or even just more infestors would've been a better investment. I get it though- in the heat of the moment, he needed something to 'clinch' the deal, cyclones are just a wonky case of 'not sure what is good to make against'.
At the begining watching foreigners been humiliated was painful dude, but now it's just apathy, it's what you expect, no matter what Raynor said before. No even a single win.
@@atutor1 I've no idea which tournaments you referencing, but in 2022 S3 he did 2-4 and in 2018 S3 he did 4-2 in RO32 , and 3-5 RO16. So actually not even 1-8 but rather 9-15
Reynor's cocky attitude has never been something I enjoyed, so watching him get absolutely bodied after how he talked in the casting booth last week was deeply satisfying. Catharsis.
Seems things dont go so well for the europeans when the koreans arent playing at 2 am in the morning for them huh... If serral was any good he would try and win the GSL.. he doesnt even try and the reason is this... he would be HUMILIATED.
@@davide.urbanopolanco3398 he has zero participations in the GSL buddy, it's like me saying I am the best in the world without even playing in the majors, plleeeeaaaase give me a brake
@@laodrofotic7713Serral would 100% be up there with Maru. The guy is a consistent beast with pure calculated gameplay. There is no doubt, no second guessing, no fumbling, and no questionable decisions. He executes with cold efficiency. At the very least, he has already proven he is the best where it matters most
I'm pretty sure Serral has better things to do than spend 2 months competing for a $4,000 first prize just to please some random RUclips commenter lmao
Now you're overstepping the mark. Reynor yes, but Serral, no. Serral has won 2 GSL vs the World's and has consistently demonstrated his ability to defeat the top Koreans in major tournaments. I'm very convinced Serral would have a few GSL's under his belt now if he had participated over the last few years. Serral is undoubtedly the GOAT of Starcraft 2 now.
It's ironic that a person that speaks about strategy and skills earlier a week ago can't even win a single game. "When what you heard and what you see do not match, trust your eyes."
It is easier to make calls for plays when you watch the game, than when you actually play it. But yeah, when you say something and then can't deliver...
It worked in quite a few matches in GSL and usually one of the things that kill mech. And remember that Dark's game when he killed numerous BCs with ravagers due to well placed infestors. It works, but it also can spectacularly fail. As it did this time.
I feel so BAD for REYNOR. Forzaaa Reynor sei un grandeeee!! In the second game he really deserved to win but he made a fatal mistake: Brood Lords. If he had gone hydras / lurkers and nydus he would have won easy. He also was too nervous. So many zergs forget to use some amazing tools like nydus. But I also feel that with the new stupid Blizzard changes, Zergs are struggling in both early and late game. Look at game 2, Gumiho was down almost 30 workers, lost so much but : "hey I am F....g terran what do I care!! I just launch 50 Mules in 3 seconds and guess what?? I eat more minerals than your 80 drones! meanwhile I'll have Non stop scans" For being a 15 years old game, SC2 Balance is a J O K E !!
It is hilarious to see the butthurt Serral fanboys show up to this video and attack anyone who thinks he isn't somehow the best SC2 player of all time because *Reynor* lost in GSL. (Shoutout to soundofsilence and everyone upvoting him, fully expecting him to reply here). Literally no foreigner has ever won GSL in the entire time it has existed (14 years), and now suddenly people think it would be easy just because things have changed on the international scale to some extent? Korea is a fortress, you have to conquer it through repeated attacks. A Korean getting a Royal Road is already rare enough, let alone a foreigner. If Reynor pulled it off here, he would actually be possibly the strongest contender for GOAT, or at least best player in the LOTV era. I actually like Reynor and think he's extremely skilled and is the equal, if not greater, than a lot of these players but you would have to be hopped up on max foreigner hype to think he would've just won GSL like it was just another European tournament. I don't know what the Stateless were thinking when they thought Reynor would win the whole thing without even seeing him win a single game first, I'm guessing they felt they had to hype him up because foreigner hype and marketing, or Tasteless somehow forgot that he was casting GSL (State I can understand since he's comparatively less experienced to casting and seems to be pretty "new-generation" with regards to his opinions). (On the note about butthurt foreigner fans, its funny because these same foreigner fans were probably the same ones complaining the entire time that koreans were dominating the game until Serral and Reynor finally won 2 Blizzcon world championships... out of a total of 9 that existed and suddenly they were the greatest of all time, even though just SoS on his own won the same number of blizzcons as both of them combined, but whatever). Its like people magically forgot that Korea is different from the rest of the world, its unseemly and embarrassing.
I would always support the foreigners just because they are always against the odds but it is always the same. It would be huge if a foreigner gets the GSL. Anyways i have this arguing with my buddy about whos the best player and so on. So im saying it is maru because of the numbers of gsl's hes got and he is saying that sereal is the best. I would love to see serral go in gsl but since he doesnt even try it looks like he is scared to do it so i cant give him the title. Not yet.
I'd love to see Serral in GSL as well. Don't think "scared" is the case though. Or at least shouldn't be. More like doesn't want to waste time spending the required month (or is it two?) in Korea. I mean guy wins a lot playing at home (European based tournaments), he doesn't need to go anywhere.
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Need more of these style games. For me, a highlight of the current GSL season.
What a hard match to watch, torn between rooting for the rare foreigner in GSL and the most fun, creative pro
So bittersweet, heartbreaking for Reynor but impressive on Gumiho's part
Reynor fighting it out in game 2
It was amazing to watch.
Props to Reynor for heading out to korea again, it takes guts to do that. I really hope he does not give up. It's apparent he needs a coach/prep help because he is a great player and is really not used to the korean style prep tourneys and just laddering does not help him get to that next level that is needed for prep in GSL. I hope this doesn't get into his head, we all know he is a great player.
"Just" qualifying for Code S round of 16 is enough to say he's one of the best players in the world (as if it wasn't already clear). GSL hits different tho.
He’s kinda been on a bit of a downslope in the last year or so
I love him so much, hope he gets the kinda of coaching serral gets.
@@paulogodinho3275they get the same coaching. serral is just imba
Never liked Gumiho more before 😂
This match was just Gumiho running a clinic on doing TvZ mech builds.
If reynor is going out 0-4 in GSL to hero and gumiho (not even peak Korean sc2 IMO) I think it proves that serral needs to win a GSL to prove he's goat. In other words, there truly is no conclusive goat in sc2
I somewhat agree
The thing is Serral had won multiple GSL vs the world in Korea already, that’s why Serral don’t want to come to Korea to compete in GSL anymore. I mean to be honest with you it’s not even worth it. You have to live in Korea for 2 months, and you win only 3000usd for being GSL champion? Im sorry but GSL is not as big as before anymore. It’s still very competitive and with Zerg nerfted and everything you probably right, serral will have a hard time but for 3k usd only? Nah
Who does Serral need to prove it to though? The Korean pros all think he's the best, the non-Korean pros think he's the best. The only people who don't are Artosis, Mizenhauer (the guy who made the GOAT list, with "Maru fan" listed in his TL bio lmao), and a minor group of Redditors who think GSL is the equivalent of the Holy Bible or something
COPIUM
@@thesoundofsilence77 Even Serral himself doesn't agree he is, so I have no idea how you can say everyone says he's the best!
Gumi and Hero are both Championship worthy players. But Reynor still gotta do better.
Props to Reynor for trying. More than I could say for Serral.
gg Reynor! I can't wait to see you in the next GSL season!
I like how Reynor during Round A while casting tells how "this is not the right decision to make here" during several of the matches, and then he shows off his absolutely pro broodlord skill in the last game here... just flies back the broodlords effectively doing nothing with 100 army supply.
That was baffling. That was the decisive moment of the match.
Honestly Broodlords weren't the correct endgame unit to make, in any case. Lurkers, or even just more infestors would've been a better investment. I get it though- in the heat of the moment, he needed something to 'clinch' the deal, cyclones are just a wonky case of 'not sure what is good to make against'.
At the begining watching foreigners been humiliated was painful dude, but now it's just apathy, it's what you expect, no matter what Raynor said before. No even a single win.
Reynor has had success vs the best Korean players before so his performance is not exactly humiliating, but he definitely looked sloppy here
@@Dontlook36 disagree, not sloppy but defeated. gumi play look very sharp. without good preparation results probably opposite
Feels like I've seen this before. 😔
reynor now 0-8 in gsl
1-8, he did win one map.
@@d4slaimless No he did not 0-4, 0-4
@@atutor1 I've no idea which tournaments you referencing, but in 2022 S3 he did 2-4 and in 2018 S3 he did 4-2 in RO32 , and 3-5 RO16. So actually not even 1-8 but rather 9-15
soooo goooood gumiho! 하나 둘 셋 구미호 화이팅!!!
GSL LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
We support you, Reynor!
Raynor, You okey?.
Are you okay?
Full TILTALIAN. Man my heart breaks for Reynor. I really used to root against him as an old grouchy Protoss , but this is just too rough
Reynor was too cocky on that cast,not a single win,brutal
Gumiho watching uThermal and stealing builds lol
lol
Gumiho is literally 10x the player uthermal could ever hope to be, at MINIMUM.
@@jjakji2078 if you took that as being serious your stunned.
@@jjakji2078bro didn’t say he was not as good as uThermal, just saying the builds are super fun. Come on dawg.
The big battle in the first game was awesome
Reynor's cocky attitude has never been something I enjoyed, so watching him get absolutely bodied after how he talked in the casting booth last week was deeply satisfying. Catharsis.
I didn’t know he was cocky, he seems like a good kid I thought
Thanks!
reynor the worst disappointment of gsl, he didn't win a single game
Seems things dont go so well for the europeans when the koreans arent playing at 2 am in the morning for them huh... If serral was any good he would try and win the GSL.. he doesnt even try and the reason is this... he would be HUMILIATED.
Serral gano 2 veces gsl vs el mundo
@@davide.urbanopolanco3398 he has zero participations in the GSL buddy, it's like me saying I am the best in the world without even playing in the majors, plleeeeaaaase give me a brake
@@laodrofotic7713Serral would 100% be up there with Maru. The guy is a consistent beast with pure calculated gameplay.
There is no doubt, no second guessing, no fumbling, and no questionable decisions.
He executes with cold efficiency.
At the very least, he has already proven he is the best where it matters most
I'm pretty sure Serral has better things to do than spend 2 months competing for a $4,000 first prize just to please some random RUclips commenter lmao
Now you're overstepping the mark. Reynor yes, but Serral, no. Serral has won 2 GSL vs the World's and has consistently demonstrated his ability to defeat the top Koreans in major tournaments. I'm very convinced Serral would have a few GSL's under his belt now if he had participated over the last few years. Serral is undoubtedly the GOAT of Starcraft 2 now.
It's ironic that a person that speaks about strategy and skills earlier a week ago can't even win a single game.
"When what you heard and what you see do not match, trust your eyes."
It is easier to make calls for plays when you watch the game, than when you actually play it. But yeah, when you say something and then can't deliver...
Why do zergs still try to go mass neural ? It never works
It worked in quite a few matches in GSL and usually one of the things that kill mech. And remember that Dark's game when he killed numerous BCs with ravagers due to well placed infestors. It works, but it also can spectacularly fail. As it did this time.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Maybe that is why hero picked me... confidence -250😂
Gumiho mech is always the best!
What a good match
honestly, what an embarrasment
Boiler splocker
Match 1 2:02
I feel so BAD for REYNOR. Forzaaa Reynor sei un grandeeee!!
In the second game he really deserved to win but he made a fatal mistake: Brood Lords.
If he had gone hydras / lurkers and nydus he would have won easy. He also was too nervous.
So many zergs forget to use some amazing tools like nydus.
But I also feel that with the new stupid Blizzard changes, Zergs are struggling in both early and late game.
Look at game 2, Gumiho was down almost 30 workers, lost so much but :
"hey I am F....g terran what do I care!! I just launch 50 Mules in 3 seconds and guess what??
I eat more minerals than your 80 drones! meanwhile I'll have Non stop scans"
For being a 15 years old game, SC2 Balance is a J O K E !!
Told y’all.
Spoiler
I am sad for him
It is hilarious to see the butthurt Serral fanboys show up to this video and attack anyone who thinks he isn't somehow the best SC2 player of all time because *Reynor* lost in GSL. (Shoutout to soundofsilence and everyone upvoting him, fully expecting him to reply here).
Literally no foreigner has ever won GSL in the entire time it has existed (14 years), and now suddenly people think it would be easy just because things have changed on the international scale to some extent?
Korea is a fortress, you have to conquer it through repeated attacks. A Korean getting a Royal Road is already rare enough, let alone a foreigner. If Reynor pulled it off here, he would actually be possibly the strongest contender for GOAT, or at least best player in the LOTV era.
I actually like Reynor and think he's extremely skilled and is the equal, if not greater, than a lot of these players but you would have to be hopped up on max foreigner hype to think he would've just won GSL like it was just another European tournament. I don't know what the Stateless were thinking when they thought Reynor would win the whole thing without even seeing him win a single game first, I'm guessing they felt they had to hype him up because foreigner hype and marketing, or Tasteless somehow forgot that he was casting GSL (State I can understand since he's comparatively less experienced to casting and seems to be pretty "new-generation" with regards to his opinions).
(On the note about butthurt foreigner fans, its funny because these same foreigner fans were probably the same ones complaining the entire time that koreans were dominating the game until Serral and Reynor finally won 2 Blizzcon world championships... out of a total of 9 that existed and suddenly they were the greatest of all time, even though just SoS on his own won the same number of blizzcons as both of them combined, but whatever).
Its like people magically forgot that Korea is different from the rest of the world, its unseemly and embarrassing.
Oooooof
Reynor coming to Korea is commendable. He has done what Serral couldn’t do, which is competing in GSL & qualifying for the live show. Reynor > Serral
Spoiler block!
Tasteless casting with state is just repeating what state says 2 minutes after, like he's on a delay or something
good to zergs aren't winning everything.
I would always support the foreigners just because they are always against the odds but it is always the same. It would be huge if a foreigner gets the GSL. Anyways i have this arguing with my buddy about whos the best player and so on. So im saying it is maru because of the numbers of gsl's hes got and he is saying that sereal is the best. I would love to see serral go in gsl but since he doesnt even try it looks like he is scared to do it so i cant give him the title. Not yet.
I'd love to see Serral in GSL as well. Don't think "scared" is the case though. Or at least shouldn't be. More like doesn't want to waste time spending the required month (or is it two?) in Korea. I mean guy wins a lot playing at home (European based tournaments), he doesn't need to go anywhere.