Thanks for the video. Mine was covered in drywall mud so I had to hit like a mother and it broke free. I made sure not to squish the flange with too big of a hammer as it took allot of force but it came out in the end.
@williamhartsell6390 Thanks for the reply, William. That makes sense and was one of my theories. I was just confused about the "test" part in the name. I think I had heard it was there to test the drainage system for leaks by using water pressure, although I might be completely mistaken. Any truth to this?
@nikolaiv1138 yeah you can test it if the line is sealed. But usually that's only done with new construction or a complete replumb. In most cases the toilet flange is just replaced because they break.
I don’t understand..why wouldn’t they just make one that you can just peal it off why would they make such a shityy product by hammering it you could risk breaking the pipes
What's the point in making them this way????? What's wrong with the old fashioned, ready to install idea? It looks like they all went out of their way to make their products less usable. Really???
Well if I ONLY HAD THIS SHITTY HOME DEPOT. The ISP. I’m STILL TRYING to adjust the height. The interior will not move EITHER WAY DAM IT! I believe it lis HAMMER/Chisel/ THEN REPLACE THIS PIECE OF SHIT SOUIX CHIEF DOG SHIT
*_IT IS PATHETIC_* There might be some sort of historical reason for the "hammer the carp out of it to get the plug out" but no one seems to know the reason. I ran into this yesterday. I asked the plumbing department employee "why do they require beating out this plug?" he didn't know. I've got an engineering degree. Intense, brief shock, stress/strain that is purposely applied to a part of any system is to be avoided as much as possible. Particularly with plastic parts - due to the fact that plastic is very brittle and simply shatters/breaks apart when subjected to high impact. Even after the plug is removed, there are stress cracks in the plastic you cannot see that undermine the toilet flange - bigtime. I refuse to buy any off-the-shelf component that requires hammering it, applying huge shock/stresses, before it can be used. It's just too freaking stupid. It would be like "if you buy this new car, we have to drop it off a 10 foot height at the dealership to slam it into the pavement, then you're ready to hit the road." The manufacturers behind this are playing a practical joke on the public, and at the same time, eliminating customers from buying their products. There are so many other ways to achieve whatever that 'knock out' plug is intended to achieve without requiring huge hammer shocks to the plastic.
@@Greg_Chase Exactly! I'm an engineer too. It drives me crazy when I see something that looks like a bad design. Upon further reading I saw that the plug is used for pressure testing if needed. Still, they could have used a better mechanical fuse type design that would resist static system pressure but easily break with a light tap of the hammer. When I read how much trouble these things are, I went back to the store and got one without the plug.
@@GomerfromIsaan The pressure testing could be achieved by a 2nd thin plastic lid with a thin rubber gasket, and the lid is bolted with 2 bolts to the existing holes around the circumference of the toilet flange. The cost of a couple bolts, the thin 'pressure test lid' and the thin rubber gasket would eliminate the risk to the manufacturer of catastrophic failure. That's just one possible solution. The manufacturers are just asking for a class action lawsuit, "you sold a product that instructed buyers to unknowingly introduce stress cracks that failed over time, causing sewage leakage damage into living spaces" That is a winnable case. Bigtime.
So, for all of your competitors, pounding next to the flange does nothing, but the first time you actually hit the flange with the hammer, they come lose. This is quite possibly the most disingenuous product comparison I've ever seen. Miss with the hammer 10 times to make it seem difficult. The first time you actually hit the plugs with the hammer they come loose. Then we watch you struggle for a few seconds with the screwdriver to remove yours, proving there is no real improvement in the process with your product. Either one takes 3 seconds, unless you are just really incompetent with a hammer.
Please watch the video again and you will see we are hitting the test caps and they are not breaking free. It takes several times of striking the same location on the test caps before they break
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Thank you soooo much for posting I needed this video real REAL bad!
Thanks for posting! The one I bought at lowes had no instructions so this gives waaaaay better perspective!
Needed to find this video thanks man
Thank you for making a video of this. Very helpful!
I have been wacking and wacking this oaty with no luck. About to take a skill saw to it
Thanks for the video. Mine was covered in drywall mud so I had to hit like a mother and it broke free. I made sure not to squish the flange with too big of a hammer as it took allot of force but it came out in the end.
Well.....I already have my flange installed and fresh tile is underneath the edges....
You saved me. Thanks
Thanks for this video... it's VERY helpful! 🙂👍🏿✌🏿🇺🇸🥇
Good answer for my problem..thank you
Only buy closet flanges with a Stainless Steel ring!
why? are the better? and why do they even have the knockout?
LOVE the ending! LOL
What is the purpose of the test cap?
Too keep flooring and other debris out if the drain pipe as they finish everything around the flange.
@williamhartsell6390 Thanks for the reply, William. That makes sense and was one of my theories. I was just confused about the "test" part in the name. I think I had heard it was there to test the drainage system for leaks by using water pressure, although I might be completely mistaken. Any truth to this?
@nikolaiv1138 yeah you can test it if the line is sealed. But usually that's only done with new construction or a complete replumb. In most cases the toilet flange is just replaced because they break.
Excellent video 👍
I like the part when he hit the circle thing
😂
Help! I lost the flange plug down the drain. How can I retrieve it?
😳 How'd it go?
why do they even have the knockout?
Because you may not install your toilet for 20 years after the house was built. Previous owner preplumbed the bathroom down there
Thank you!
Nice
Thanks! 🇨🇦
Hammer fix things. Use Hammer good.
I don’t understand..why wouldn’t they just make one that you can just peal it off why would they make such a shityy product by hammering it you could risk breaking the pipes
Many broken flanges/fittings must handle with care
Ya I bought one similar to this brand and the whole thing broke off the metal part. Terrible
Yup, broke one last night after hammering it. That’s why I’m searching videos for this particular model.
so 3 of them break all the beautiful new tile floors 😅
TKO, I can't see what you broke off
Thats horrible..why the heck do they make like that...geez
You should do another video with the IPS 45 flange with knockout. That’s a complete shit show
Chingon
What's the point in making them this way????? What's wrong with the old fashioned, ready to install idea? It looks like they all went out of their way to make their products less usable. Really???
Not buying soux chief. I'll ride with everything else
Funny
Well if I ONLY HAD THIS SHITTY HOME DEPOT. The ISP. I’m STILL TRYING to adjust the height. The interior will not move EITHER WAY DAM IT! I believe it lis HAMMER/Chisel/ THEN REPLACE THIS PIECE OF SHIT SOUIX CHIEF DOG SHIT
WTH? Why do the manufacturers add a useless part that requires the end user to beat the sh#t out of to remove and throw away?
*_IT IS PATHETIC_*
There might be some sort of historical reason for the "hammer the carp out of it to get the plug out" but no one seems to know the reason. I ran into this yesterday. I asked the plumbing department employee "why do they require beating out this plug?" he didn't know.
I've got an engineering degree. Intense, brief shock, stress/strain that is purposely applied to a part of any system is to be avoided as much as possible.
Particularly with plastic parts - due to the fact that plastic is very brittle and simply shatters/breaks apart when subjected to high impact. Even after the plug is removed, there are stress cracks in the plastic you cannot see that undermine the toilet flange - bigtime.
I refuse to buy any off-the-shelf component that requires hammering it, applying huge shock/stresses, before it can be used. It's just too freaking stupid.
It would be like "if you buy this new car, we have to drop it off a 10 foot height at the dealership to slam it into the pavement, then you're ready to hit the road."
The manufacturers behind this are playing a practical joke on the public, and at the same time, eliminating customers from buying their products.
There are so many other ways to achieve whatever that 'knock out' plug is intended to achieve without requiring huge hammer shocks to the plastic.
@@Greg_Chase Exactly! I'm an engineer too. It drives me crazy when I see something that looks like a bad design. Upon further reading I saw that the plug is used for pressure testing if needed. Still, they could have used a better mechanical fuse type design that would resist static system pressure but easily break with a light tap of the hammer. When I read how much trouble these things are, I went back to the store and got one without the plug.
@@GomerfromIsaan The pressure testing could be achieved by a 2nd thin plastic lid with a thin rubber gasket, and the lid is bolted with 2 bolts to the existing holes around the circumference of the toilet flange. The cost of a couple bolts, the thin 'pressure test lid' and the thin rubber gasket would eliminate the risk to the manufacturer of catastrophic failure. That's just one possible solution.
The manufacturers are just asking for a class action lawsuit, "you sold a product that instructed buyers to unknowingly introduce stress cracks that failed over time, causing sewage leakage damage into living spaces"
That is a winnable case. Bigtime.
@@Greg_Chase Good idea!
So, for all of your competitors, pounding next to the flange does nothing, but the first time you actually hit the flange with the hammer, they come lose.
This is quite possibly the most disingenuous product comparison I've ever seen. Miss with the hammer 10 times to make it seem difficult. The first time you actually hit the plugs with the hammer they come loose. Then we watch you struggle for a few seconds with the screwdriver to remove yours, proving there is no real improvement in the process with your product. Either one takes 3 seconds, unless you are just really incompetent with a hammer.
Please watch the video again and you will see we are hitting the test caps and they are not breaking free. It takes several times of striking the same location on the test caps before they break
Ya the video is correct. The other 3 suck balls to remove. Pain in the ass for no reason
@@lspproducts2964 I've been wailing on my TKO flange for long enough that I am worried about my tile and came looking for insight. Found it. :-/
Hammer time