Gas Masks for Civilians | Everything You Need to Know
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- What do normal guys need to know about gas masks and protecting themselves and their families from harmful CBRN agents? We test Avon and Mira masks, filters, what is fact vs fiction, how to test your mask at home, and ultimately what you need to consider when looking for and wearing a gas mask.
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00:00 Fallout
02:13 Masks
04:08 Filters
09:58 Snake Oil
12:38 How to Wear
14:28 Beards
17:45 Smoke & Fire
19:50 Drinking
21:33 Test at Home
22:56 Decontamination
24:26 Comms
26:23 Shooting
28:30 Gassing Ourselves
43:59 Next Steps
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CBRN guy here, everything they've said is spot on but to reiterate. If you're dealing with anything other than CS and you do not decontaminat your skin and put on a head to toe cbrn suit of some kind IMMEDIATELY AFTER putting on your mask you will be in a world of hurt as most cbrn threats WILL GO THROUGH YOUR SKIN even with a mask on.
Great info there, a full chem suit is something that NEVER gets talked about
Not necessary for natural burns like Canadian wildfires. Still good to protect eyes and lungs.
Some CBRN hazards such as chlorine gas can unalive you startling quickly. To escape a threat like that you need an respirator connected to an air tank. Hazmat truckers have "escape bottles" in the cabs of their truck for this sort of emergency
@@1GasGoblin So what I’m hearing is, if there’s any type of CBRN event occurs - you’re typical civilian with a gas mask is screwed? Like you’d need multiple chem suits and they’re not reusable and you’d need multiples for each member of a family? So like why would some countries issue gas mask to their civilians?
@@briankonreiharvey8105 TLDR, yes if you're in cbrn contamination with just a gas mask you're screwed.
Long answer, anything is better than nothing and the specifics of the cbrn contamination will dictate the level of protection you need. A gas mask is a great peice of kit to have and it will increase your likelihood of survival considerably. What that looks like depends on the type of contamination you're dealing with. For something like a blister agent, say mustard gas for example, a gas mask will keep you from dying immediately however any skin exposed to the gas will form large puss filled blisters that can cause serious infections without proper care but are survivable. However if you're dealing with nerve gas like Sarin (mentioned in the video) or VX those will seep through your skin in approximately 8 minutes and after that it's lights out. The only way to avoid that would be to put on your mask, move under overhead cover, immediately decontaminate your skin and hair (including holding your breath and decontaminating your face) and putting on a level C or higher CBRN suit. So why would some countries give their civilians masks? Because a gas mask alone, while not the best solution is better than nothing and depending on the cbrn contamination you're dealing with haveing just a mask could be enough to keep you alive. Ultimately all of this gear is useless without proper training. When you're in a contaminated environment the smallest mistake could end you so the goal should be to escape and get decontaminated (by professionals if possible). If all you can get to do that is a gas mask than that's better than nothing if you want suits then you need to understand their limitations as well as how to properly use and store them otherwise they won't do you much good.
Whoever edits and pieces these videos together needs a raise
i need the movie names lol
The close-up of Drew after the "face condom" lol. Editor is brill
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This channel has seriously stepped its game up recently. Huge fan!!!
The editor - "wait, you guys are getting paid?"
That is the best intro ever... haha
They never disappoint
Would have to agree!
Ever.. well done DC
That’s the first sponsor read I’ve ever watched all the way through. Straight genius.
Just wish the discount codes actually worked (eg 100 concepts)
My thoughts exactly
Same. That gets from casual watcher to Sub 👍
My wife has been using Avon products for years. Lipstick, makeup etc. She says they are good quality.
On beards:
I'll give this analogy. Firefighters are not permitted to have facial hair that could impede the seal of their SCBA. And these are professionals who, likely far more frequently than the military, deal with toxic atmospheric conditions, gasses, vapors, and particulates.
Food for thought.
When the military had to deal with gases and radioactive stuff more often (cold war, ww1 etc) they had either a 0 shave or a non obstructive facial hair i.e. austrian painter stache up to stalin stache max.
as a frireman, i can tell you that its more of a formality than anything, i have done, and passed, mask seal tests with a beard. But, scbas are positive pressure, so any leak, wastes fresh air leaving the mask, rather than sucking harmful chemicals IN.
Fun fact:
Finnish M61 gas masks are designed for rifle operation on right handed combatants.
Fits NATO filters, and usually comes with an adapter for other filters.
It's old, and thick.
Comes with this nasty powder that acts as a cleaning agent whenever you enter a compromised environment.
It's baking soda with a stabilizer.
Good stuff.
These guys are the throttle house of the gun and preparedness world! Their quality and entertainment value is off the charts!
That is a very appropriate description!
CBRN guy (USMC 2019-'23.) In relation to hair, surprisingly the biggest issue Ive seen in my experience is guys with the hair on their head and not their face being too long. Hair that hangs in front of the forehead gets caught in between the mask and the skin if not moved out of the way leading to exposure and mask contamination. Best remedy we found was hold mask by face in dominant hand, sweep hair back towards top of head with nondominant hand, press mask to face, seal, clear, secure mask carrier. Enjoyed the video, good knowledge bombs dropped here guys.
Great point! Glad you brought that up!
What do y'all do about glasses
@qh5545 You have to find and buy or have Corrective lens INSERTS made. There are special adaptors M50 & M53 lens holders that attach INSIDE the mask. YOU CANNOT WEAR REGULAR GLASSES WITH EAR ARMS! This will break the seal on both sides and make the mask Worthless. Buy the Optical Insert adaptors and bring to your Optometrist or Eye Glass store.
Option is to get a cheap pair, remove arms and ziptie or attach to the adaptor. There are Eyeglass adaptors for M53, M50, M40, Mira CM-8 And one other. (Research that) Good Luck.
@@qh5545 There are lense inserts that fit into the mask uses your regular prescription. I would just grab my regular glasses and throw them off my face as fast as possible to get the mask on. If you don't have inserts, breathing still takes priority over seeing.
EDIT: As wolfpack said above, different masks use different inserts. Find the inserts that match your mask. Some of the inserts sometimes like to press on the face between the eyes or forehead. A quick remedy is to take a piece of 3M adhesive foam and place it in the spot where the insert causes pressure or rubs on the face. This cushions the insert and spreads the pressure out a little bit, but I only recommend this as a stopgap until you can sit down and readjust your mask and inserts to sit comfortably on your face.
@@wolfpack2486 3d printed adapters with cheap lins removed from glasses
Taking "hot-boxing" to a whole new level.
10/10 ad read
What does that mean?
@@CBRN-Fan-Boy It means the ad was perfect.
@@godlikemachine645 cool!
Watching Dirty Civilian climb the YT ranks these last few years has been the greatest joy 😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
Pft. I just hold my breath and close my eyes. Checkmate.
Pfffft.. I just live as normal.
Check.
Mate.
whoever comes up with these cinematic skits in underated
I think the CM7M from Mira is literally just surplus Czech Republic gas masks you can buy for $100 on apex
Yes they are, Avon is the best in the market. Dont cheap out on safety equipment.
@@CBRN-Fan-Boy This !
Even my now older AMF12 (Dutch army version of the FM12). Is still such a good mask !
Would love to try a C50 some day. But cant justify the cost. As I have no real issues with the FM12.
I dont get why Mira gets recommended so much...
@@ianspy1 marketing
It is called the OM-90. Not sure why MIRA is trying to sell for double the price.
I skip through ads 99% of the time. If you guys keep doing your ad placement in a way that is actively part of the video, I'd definitely not skip them. That was hilarious.
One huge tip for people, not all gas masks will work with Night Vision, I bought a MIRA CM-6M because it has great visibility only to do some training with my night vision and the clear windscreen sticks out too for to wear Night Vision, if you are going to use a Gas Mask with Night Vision you have to make sure the mask was designed for that.
Im glad to know at least 1 of my gas masks will accept night vision. Now i just need night vision. Still waiting to be approved for a suppressor or 2... i kinda laughed when i read this comment though.. I pitty the common foo that has to run all that equipment simultaneously IRL. 😱💀
Avon masks are specifically designed to work with night vision as it was a requirement from DoD and many LE dept/agencies. The M50 is super easy to wear with NVGs, I wore that combo for many years.
Don’t buy from them they are selling old Cz masks from the 90s for a massive markup
A quick reference guide to complement this video would be huge.
Just as a safety note. If your CBRN canisters are exposed to super heated gases they can break down the filter integrity a lot quicker. The ones we had used for AF firefighting CBRN training were rated to about 500 degrees. The filters are not going to save you in oxygen deficient environments.
Make sure to do your negative pressure checks!
Probably a good reason to have a air quality sensor of some description handy so you know when to bug out from something when your mask won't work.
I have experience with So2 meters and organic gasses blocking masks from working briefly as a Confined Space Attendant, even with the mask on as soon as that alarm started screaming I was calling people out and clearing the area, but that was at a refinery with an old leaky sulfer handling plant, with the project ongoing to replace it putting us close to the source (ie a wimpy stone's throw)
Not sure how you guys do it with the costs these videos entail, but THIS channel is the absolute BEST on the interwebs for this type of info exchange!
Best sponsor segment I’ve seen in my entire life
would love a reference guide, how much they cost, Pros and cons. stuff like that
it would be very usefull
Pros: more safe cons: more money
Total cons: shave your beard
Now that was a good ad. I actually did not want to skip.
0:49 - 1:03 the nut fatality & skip away was too crazy ☠
Yeah
I see DC notification, I watch DC video.
Great intro as usual
absolutely top-tier intro cinematic.
This is an amazing video. Im a long term CBRN guy and absolutely love this! Another facet to take into consideration is that Hazmat is another issue that CBRN gear typically also answers.
probably the best ad read i've ever seen, Drew's snot is just icing on the cake
Tip: Instead of Vasoline, use CPAP gel. It has aloe vera and is non-petroleum.
My favorite intro yet. You guys are awesome
The content is amazing, but you all need to know you filming masterpieces!! So good
It’s official….the best intro on RUclips👊🏽
Thanks for talking about the fire problem guys!
One of your best videos to date. Love yalls channel. Great educational and entertaining content.
I just recently started watching you guys after running across your channel. Absolutely love it. Been watching all day.
Another awesome intro and rad video. Thanks for all the info 👍🏻👍🏻
Gas mask collector here, a good gas mask setup for under $100 dollars would be an Iseral model 4/ 4a1 and a NATO 40mm CBRN filter. This is the most simple way to get valuable protection.
Thank you for this! This video was an amazing information dump! Appreciate what you guys are doing.
I loved this kind of Intro. Keep up the good work, lads!
This was awesome, informative and fun content. Excellent job gents.
Always happy to see such a good informative videos
You guys are nuts, and I'm grateful for your craziness. This was great stuff. Only thing I was wondering at the end was how to properly size your mask. Thanks for your sacrifice 🙂
your production and entertain videos ROCK!!
Fantastic intro and video as usual 👌
this is a great channel. wonderful work gentlemen!
Best channel on guns and tactics
Love from France
This was the coolest video on gas masks ive ever seen
I absolutely love that opening!!!
A good follow up would be the full kit of mop gear, but using over the counter items to counter chemicals. Like a gortex jacket and pants, rubber cleaning gloves, ect....
For comms, Disco 32 sells a dongle that goes from the exterior electrical connections that the VPU connects into (flap at the front of the M50) and clicks into the top of your PTT. It even has a pass through so you can connect your wired earpro in just above that and receive audio. All while making use of the microphone you installed with your VPU kit. It adds a lot of length to the PTT but makes it so you can just about whisper in your mask to be heard via radio.
I was pleasantly surprised with the amount if good information in this video. I wish this video was around when I first started collecting masks many years ago, would have saved me so much time in research.
MIRA has a number of selections that do not require a proprietary filter; after watching this segment, I got onto the MIRA site and found the CM6M, CM7M, and CM8M. The 7 and 8 are designed with a cheek weld that make it easy to shoot a rifle - I bought a CM8M for myself, and a CM6M for an extra. Both have excellent visibility, as where the CM7M’s visibility is less than 75%.
All three accept a standard filter size, including the NATO filters. MIRA is planning on applying for NIOSH certification.
Thanks for a fun and informative segment of Dirty Civilian. I would have been pleased if you guys HAD’NT gassed yourselves, but I admire your commitment to your art! I don’t recommend the turn-it-upon-yourselves for testing body armor.
Just Sayin’.
I might be wrong but isn’t the Mira one a more expensive rebrand of a Czech mask or something?
100% right. they white label the Czech OM-90 mask
Good shit gentlemen. Takes me back to my boot camp days.
Honestly love this channel ❤
I'm a minute and 15 in and can't help but comment. A Fallout opener playing 'the wanderer' - this man knows how to make a video. Love it.
Best ad read I've ever seen
Like always, thank you guys, great video, about not pupular stuff.
Fantastic video.Thanks for the sacrifice .👏
Great info, thanks for the demonstrations too; as this is not a particularly talked about or tested topic
Wow! You guys really made "the video we wished others would have made for us". Its got everything. It even included an ops core mask. Which ive been eyeing a lot, but i think ill stick to Avon even though the opscore didnt fail, it just lacked a visor. Dont know if you guys tried convincing a cop or swat team to gas you guys since their stuff is different but although it wasnt included, it really wasnt necessary. Either way, huuuuuuuge props to you 2 and the crew.
Thanks for doing this!! One video idea I wish someone would do is to go over how to escape NYC during some sort of event or attack. Trains will likely be shut down, so getting out will be tricky.
You took a boring subject and made it very entertaining! Bravo!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Don’t forget to prep your vehicle as well. make sure your door & window seals are good shape. And if your vehicle has it to have a good quality cabin air filter. I recommend one with active carbon layer
That intro was absolutely a vibe .... should've been in the series lol
Awesome Fallout stuff😂, wish for Gray Zone Warfare reference video soon 😉
Great video guys. Lol. Love the intro too 😂
Bros that INTRO!!!
Thumbs up
Awesome as usual!
Good job guys . Gold star episode. Thanks👍👍👍
Surplus and gas mask enthusiast here.
Something I would've liked if you mentioned, regarding masks is to avoid surplus gas masks. Especially ones from the cold war era like Soviet Warsaw pact masks and others. Reasons, 1 being most of the filters are too old and contain trace amounts of asbestoses fibers. The other reason is that the masks were made cheaply, and they're just old while you can easily pick up a soviet GP-5 mask in good condition (Gp-5 is one of the most common masks available) There are issues like lenses fogging up and Warsaw pact masks are a slightly different 40 mm thread making most modern American or NATO filters incompatible.
There are ways around it though I've picked up a few surplus masks that I trust and have used, like Polish MP-5, and Israeli M-15, and MA4. My go too mask right now is the USA M-40 Which ran me about 230 USD. After obtaining brand new filters, a good cleaning and seal check they're good to go. If I had known about Mira Safety sooner, I'd already have a CM-7.
Thanks for reading my comment if you made it this far!
I love my MSA millennium. Peripheral vision is unparalleled. They have a drinking water tube and voice amps are available. Used it at work a few times for chemical spills, nothing serious though. First time I used it was cleaning up some citrus oil. I couldn't smell a even with a beard, but the guy working the trailer next to me had his face tingling.
extremely well done, thank you very much
Well frickin done on that intro 👏
I’ve just finished watching your recent video, “Gas Mask for Civilians.” Again, you guys have put out another totally appropriate video for civilians.
I haven’t checked any of the comments regarding my “two cent.” Something to be on the lookout for when purchasing a used mask is doing an all inclusive PM (Preventive Maintenance) check of your mask. I purchased a used M50 several years ago and noted that the self sealing disk valves were dry rotted and NOT self sealing. This is a definite no go. Make sure that that you review PN71016/10 Issue E. This publication will walk you through the use of the mask soup to nuts.
Great job guys! I look forward to more great content.
This was awesome! Thank you!
Would love to see a follow up video comparing the effectiveness of various hardware-store respirators. The oil field requires that all workers keep a 3M respirator on hand in case of an H2S outbreak, so it would be interesting to see how they hold up to CS.
holy moly the intro was so good
Amazing video, thank you.
Great video by the way - I love how people rag on MIRA, but the fact is they do have a quality product that fills a market need.
Avon is much better and actually certified. Mira takes Czech surplus masks and sells them at a HUGE mark up. If you want a Mira mask cheaper buy the actual mil issued one and it’s about $90.00
wow this is a outstanding video and have learned so much about gas masks, I have the mira cm8m and I love it but like so many who may have a gas mask I too was limited with the information but after viewing your video I have a revised level of knowledge, thank you so much .
Maybe you should upgrade your mask to Avon for a clearer field of view. Those Mira masks are garbage.
Best add read EVER!
Great vid! Please have a part 2 on storage of canisters, bags to carry them on person, leg, battle belt etc. Do you carry them with canister on or in bag? Once you open canister what is the shelf life and can you re-seal them.
If you foresee the need for immediate use, personally I recommend the following:
1. Attach the filter but leave the seal on the outer surface (if there is one). These can easily be removed at time of use.
2. Put the entire mask/filter combo into a vacuum-seal bag and remove the air from the bag (make friends with your local butcher or deli to facilitate access to a suitable vacuum sealer machine!)
3. Keep it in a waterproof pouch either on your belt or drop-leg rig. In your ruck, trunk, or bug-out bag is no bueno if you need to don it in a hurry!
Excellent content 👌 keep it coming
This is awesome! I've been dreaming of a mira setup for ages.
Avon is the way to go, Mira is overprice hot garbage. All they do is resell czech masks with an insane mark up.
Just buy an OM90. It's exactly the same as a CM7M, but for half the price and none of the marketing. 90 bucks at surplus retailers online.
Better yet, but an Avon mask
I would have enjoyed this more if it wasn't a MIRA ad. Id have liked to see some surplus options talked about
This !
Don't cheap out on safety equipment. Like they mentioned, the actual mask is just a platform to host the filter. Get whatever mask you want, surplus or whatever, but don't get skimpy when it comes to the filters, which are what will actually save you.
Badass intro!
Slight correction - European companies *are* audited, but only on yearly basis. Not once. The only difference is - there are no unannounced audits. Just regular planned yearly ones. They are as thorrow as US ones though.
22:00, I used to fit test the N95's for new employees in the compounding area to show them how to properly wear out and that it does filter out dust from the powders
Significantly better than Brandon Herrera's Fallout Spin. Good Work gents.
I highly recommend getting a good PAPR over a regular gas mask, a gas mask will only work okay if you are in a tip top shape. For the avarage joe, exhaused, old, young or injured person a PAPR is a way better choice, just make sure to get one that takes standard rechargeable batteries!
Excellent video!
Gas mask nerd here Mira made a direct copy of the OM-90 mask and made variants of it and are selling them for a massive mark up of like $200 but you could get things like the french M51 as you showed in the intro segment takes NATO filters and is like 30-40 dollars and filters shouldn't cost 20-50 dollars i get Israeli filters for $13 and they have a 30 year shelf life and filters NBC and CBRN or you could get a Chinese TF-1 a GP-5 knock off that takes GOST and NATO filters and rather than having straps it's a helmet hood mask so you just put your chin in and pull it over your head and it should seal.
Thank you ! It drives me a bit nuts. How Mira is recommended so much.
If you just want a mask for escape and don't need a drinking tube.
Then honestly look up what your fire brigade was using 10-15 years ago. And buy it for 20-30€ on a local market place. Make sure it isn't a positive pressure mask and has a 40mm thread. And your fine ^^
@@ianspy1 Yeah i think only military's need drinking tubes because it's gonna be hot in a combat zone but us civilians just need to escape we won't be wearing them for too long.
@@FleshStick360 I slightly disagree. Having the option to drink something while wearing the mask is a nice comfort. I appreciate this a lot as I wear my AMF12 about 2 times per week for 2-3 hours at a time.
And if you don't have much experience wearing a mask. And need to evacuate a zone on foot. It will be nice to have a liter of water to drink. Drinking cold water while wearing a hot mask and sweating is VERY refreshing xD. This ofc also means that you need to fill the bottle in a clean environment from a safe source.
And know how the system works.
The one from Avon is pretty fool proof. Having a valve in the bottle, drinking tube. And cut of when the straw isn't in the drinking position.
As someone who has to wear respirators for work on a regular basis, both of your facial hair would be considered "out of compliance" for getting any type of good seal. I know you can defeat some facial hair and there's tricks like throwing petroleum jelly or something around the seal, but it's just another thing to be mindful of
Charcoal lined hunting suits are pretty useful for CBRN.
God I love yalls Videos 😂😂😂 so informative and never loses my attention ! 🔥🔥🔥
I hate intros. Except these. I love these
This was a great video!
Dope intro!
A note on the water, they make adapters for running your drinking tube to a camelbak type bladder and not just a canteen. That way if you need water you just turn your straw on and it's ready.