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I'm so glad im not the only one noticing how his Dash will flatout not reset sometimes when striking marked targets. Extremely frustrating to do everything right and the game just goes "lol nah"
no for real, i thought i was just tweaking out for no reason, i had to take a break cus it was just stressing me cus it was happening a lot to me, i have yet to get back on the game which sucks cus i actually really do like it
getting stunned by a penny every 3 seconds is wild, having a stun ability that is ready every 3 seconds is wild, idk who thought that was a good ability
Playing BP is playing the game on hard mode. Pretty much his whole kit makes you out yourself in danger at all times. Every time I play Psylock I feel like I'm cheating with how easy it is to get value and kills with her. I think BP is the most fun but my God you have to never make a single mistake.
Gotta use the walls to escape a lot and not be seen, when I okay him I feel like I’m in a batman movie in a scene at night or something and the enemy keep trying to find me
@@jianecalpotura2543yeah absolutely i play a lot both,now mainly bp in ranked and spiderman simply the efforts-reward no worth it. Bp have a good effort-reward in my opinion facing to spiderman(the most hardest character in the game
Im just fine with how difficult and punishing it is to play BP, but heres my take: for how difficult he is, he should consistently be the best duelist in the game. I personally find Panther to be the toughest character in the game, yes including Spiderman, which I love, but we shouldnt be rewarded for that effort with a mid-A tier hero. Given how much a BP player has to do in order to accomplish what Hela can do by clicking twice, I feel like he should do a bit more damage, be more consistent, have better matchups, etc. Im glad Im not the only one expecting some qol changes for my boy
Yes it’s like the game punishes you for playing with the hardest character. Then scarlet witch can come through and blast the whole squad with one move.
Exactement. I love his gameplay although it is a constant struggle, but playing minigames and twister with my keyboard just to secure one kill feels very very very unrewarding, especially since I have to dive into the danger zone, while a Hawkeye can just sip a drink on the roof and 1-shot
I have mained spiderman and I can say I was pretty decent. Got a vid of an older match on my channel. Within my experience Spidey is way easier than panther.
Glad one of the top black panther content creator spoke about the issue. Everytime i go on tiktok mfs be saying oh you suck he’s really good at flanking. Like I Know good panthers make it look like he’s a really good character but you need to make sure all the dps are equally or atleast close to one another in terms of value. Black panther needs a buff period.
The "phantom mark" / dash-not-resetting is related to the game's servers; the spear > mark > dash sequence has desync issues with the game server. In most cases, the server will register the mark quickly enough, but sometimes there are hangups. This issue is usually the game's server's application itself, not your (or their) network. I believe there will be an imminent client+server update which will help with these sort of bugs. Turn on the "Show Ping" setting and you'll start to wonder: Why are there such a large variance in ping (California varies from ~50-120ms)? If you lock your game to a region, the ping should be relatively stable -- period. The variance in ping times for a single region often indicates issues within the game's engine's code. Why do ping spikes happen so often? Besides having just a large variance in baseline ping, game to game, there are also frequent ping spikes. More common than any other game I've played tbh. The saving grace is that the netcode seems decent. The ping spikes are smoothed out well and they're not as noticeable as in other games.
Glad someone’s finally talking about this. We just need some to feel some consistency from the game itself as we get more consistent and improve as Black Panther. Tired of getting robbed. Kinda hard not to tilt and play worse for the rest of the match when you get 2, 3, even 4 instances of false feedback on the dash in a row if it’s an especially rubberbandy lobby.
Hawkeye really needs to be tuned down. Makes no sense that literally 1 arrow headshot is a insta kill. Bro literally can aim 5 feet outside a hitbox and from 200 yards back to get 1 shots.
The way Hawkeye is designed, he’d be unplayable if he couldn’t one shot. Super diveable, no utility in his ult or a storm arrow like hanzo from overwatch, and have you seen black widow who is at least a hitscan sniper?
@@YMan-zo5kg Blackwidow doesn't have a parry without a cooldown and can't take one shot. she cannot continuously shoot at you because of the bolt-action rifle she has
I actually think nerfing characters until they‘re unplayable is the OW route and Hawkeye can compensate for a Luna Snow that almost grants immortality. Beside that, if he wouldn’t 1 shot, he would be noticed and attacked even faster by characters he just can‘t do anything against in close combat 1v1.
@@mr.helmetgobrr3482 yea and black widow is horrible and almost unplayable at a high level. Hawkeye needs to one shot, but the way they can tone him down is by making the hitbox smaller, charge slower, and maybe reduced damage to tanks.
I feel like BP is missing two key things in his kit. Evasive manuvers and breathing room. His kit is so tight and precise that one mistake equals death. He's high risk no reward. Heres how i would buff BP. I dont want him to be too overpowered so feel free to give your own thoughts. Panthers cunning Original passive: Increase damage by 20% when below 100 health. Nearly impossible to utilize when your one step away from death. This is almost never actually used. He needs a way to actually survive while this is up New passive: Increase damage AND DEFENSE by 20% when below 100 health. Subtle step: Wall run with a double jump off the wall A unique but overall weaker version of iron fist and Spidermans movement. Subtle step(new): Double jump at any time. The ability to perch on walls. Vibranium claws: No change Spear toss: Cool down 6 seconds His 2nd best tool In his arsenal and his only projectile attack. No new changes are really needed except for his cool down. Spear toss (new): Cool down 5 seconds Spinning kick: Cool down 8 seconds. 16 meter range. His weakest attack by far with a slow wind up time. Needs more versatility and should be used to either disengage or cover distance. His wind up should remain the same but with added perks. Spinning kick (new): Cool down 10 seconds. 16 - 24 meters (hold to spin longer). Once fully spinning, reflects projectiles, fully blocks melees and takes half damage from beams and miscellaneous. Sprint rend The core of his arsenal. This one change might be considered controversial. I dont think he needs a lower cool down instead... Sprint rend: bigger hit box for more consistent contact. Bast's Descent: 150 damage and mark all enemies it hits. Now for the Ult i feel like he needs a COMPLETE workaround. It's obvious that it's not meant for kills so it dosen't need a damage increase. I'd even go a step further as to DECREASE the damage in exchange for a pseudo iron fist/hulk type ult. Bast's Descent (new): 100 damage and mark all enemies it hits. Gives 100 in shields. Allows black panther to survive one killshot with one Hp AFTER the initial ult lands. Become one with Bast for a short period. Bast's Embrace: Black Panthers abilities are improved for 6 seconds. The time resets after each kill. Vibranium claws have more range. 20% movement and attack speed. 10% attack and defense. 3 Spear tosses instead of two. Spinning kick cool down reduced to 7. 2 sprint rends instead of one. And that's pretty much it. Is it to much, to little? I feel like it's pretty balanced
I left a lengthy response in the "what dont you like" within the last survey about the same bugs and how godlike the healers are. I told them to check their statistics, that I bet the most mvps goes healers😢
I thought this too, but you can put the video on 0.25 playback speed, you can see the mark on top of hela way before the dash even connects. So the game already registered the mark on her.
This is why I say Black Panther should be a 5 star, bc he's complex and he's pure ambush, if they see you coming that ut most of the time......and THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one that noticed, some times it either won't mark, even when you hear it, but no mark, and no refresh. BP is nothing with out the dash
@Kyletok Looking at it in 0.25x speed I think they‘re right, the mark applied after the dash bc the spear only hit a millisecond after. What’s bugged is the sound notification of the Mark.
Dash cooldown yes. Also why do Luna and Mantis have speed boosts? If you miss a dash you can basically just kite BP to death. It’s stupid. Supports shouldn’t have longer range combat and faster default mobility at the same time. Melee characters should have speed boosts if anything.
I believe all melee charexters have a slight speed boost but even if they don’t I kinda like that aspect of BP. It’s either play perfect or get punished which I feel is true to BP’s charecter.
Just fix the bugs, especially the sound cue. I would also like to have something near your reticle where it says or shows that your dash has been resetted
Personally: -Comparing to hawkeye and hela seems kinda unfair since they are the obviously top 2 dps and permabanned in ranked for a reason -Dash cd buff would be loved but not super needed imo -The dash register/reset bug is absolutely needed, got so many clips of dashing through 1-3 marks where both the sound and vfx come out and I just die bc of no dash -Twirl is definitely the worst part of his kit maybe a speed buff would work -Personally I believe a dmg buff even slightly would be crazy good since right now any support is able to self heal the combo if they react quickly and if the other support turn around they are unkillable - Personally I dont have a problem with Luna snowball since its slow cast + hard to hit (unless they target your twirl), mantis aoe sleep on the other hand is kinda bs sometimes - Funny enough my favorite part about those ccs is that they are meant for divers so they do nothing against again hela/hawkeye (or another range dps which they are usually better than divers) so another reason those 2 are super good since they dont even have to get within range of enemies cc
I would really like some accessibility options for the vibration mark. shit is so small and it's so hard to see, maybe there could be a purple outline for everyone marked or something
i agree with all your points, they should make it so that the dash has a increasing bleed property (anti-heal + DOT) or they should make it that the damage of the dashes increases per dash hit. The most annoying thing about panther is his Twirl kick which 1. if you try and run away with it your head literally becomes a "free kill" sign if there's a hela or hawkeye on the team 2. as you said, it's slow as shit 3. it should HONESTLY be freely aimable (like BP dash) 4. ALSO IT GETS STUCK ON LITERALLY ANYTHING IT'S SO ANNOYING
You can also see the 3rd person reticle issue is with Magik, if you dash aiming with the right side you'll miss but if you aim super far to the right, even on the other side of her character model, you'll hit. Honestly I don't use the reticle for anything but her magic slash anymore.
I realized a lot of dashes bugs out on elevated ground where there are multiple levels of elevation like a stair for example. The same goes for magik. Sometimes if you hit elevated ground while your dash will just completely cancel. This happend so many times for me while playing panther and magik.
I hope the Marvel Rivals devs do start implementing these changes for BP as well as bug fixes across the roster, this game has too much potential frr. W vid gang 🔥💯
I think the 8 second cooldown is fine, but they need to make it where if we melee a marked enemy with a basic attack instead of insta resetting it reduces the cooldown kinda like Ironfist that way it still requires skill to use him rather than just making it easy to dash.
I really thought i was tweaking with hearing myself hit the dash after the spear because the replays does not make the sound, good to know its a weird bug
Broski, 6:22 you can CLEARLY see Strange blocking your spear with his shield. But i agree with you with everything else. But remember characters with shields can block your spear.
honestly, I think if his kick gets as fast as the dash, it would be enough to "fix" him. Then you basically give him another escape ability. I think the dash cooldown is fine of course, ignoring the bugs that also should be fixed
Yeah that black panther glitch with the dash and you hear damage is actually killing me lmao ive thought of switching different characters bc of it but black panther just to fun
The melee characters IMO are more fun than any of the other characters. I have heavy played spiderman, hulk, and BP. Yet they all feel weak when going against the ranged characters like winter soldier, Hela, Hawkeye, and Namor. Then you have to deal with the cc of Peni, Hulk, and Mantis which at least with hulks exile only hulk himself can damage you. Its just horribly frustrating. The bugs on BP make it even worse.
I thought I was going crazy, I have a couple clips of dashing through 3 people with marks, getting the hit marker sound thing and for some reason my dash is completely gone. If it weren’t for that things would be so much better
Im ngl the dash not resetting just looks like it's because you're dashing too early and hitting the opponent before they get marked by the spear. Spear throw probably has a windup time whether or not you animation cancel it which is why the mark application looks like it's being delayed. I don't play Black Panther though so it's probably worth testing out at least. Edit: It could also be a ping issue where the mark registering is server-side, but the dash reset is client-side, which would explain the disparity in the reset timing. Worth checking too
No, this happens a lot even if you dash really late. Pretty sure it’s a matter of the servers being laggy. You’ll see that you definitely dashed through a target, you’ll get the hit confirmation sound, but you lose the dash. Then you look at a killcam and see that the person you dashed was in a completely different location than where you saw them at the time.
@@turi5959 not sure how that all works, but all I know is that I don’t have any problems like that in Overwatch, so I’m sure it’s something they can and will polish off in upcoming updates.
I personally only need two changes from the character. Stop giving me hit sounds when I don't actually reset. And when I actually haven't hit anyone. And stop causing my dash to go off twice from holding shift once....
Bro forgot to mention peni parker with the 3 second cooldown on the stun, and spider nests that might as well just cut off part of the map for panther mains since they are impossible to break as melee characters
This game just needs a little hint of DR(Diminishing returns).Smite has it and it works amazimg if you get stunned by hard CCs simultaneously is makes the 2nd or 3rd or 4th cc not as strong . Cause ee all know there will be nore cc so hopfully they know it exists. And CCR(crowd control reduction) once the roster gets to like 50 it will be a must have in ur game
I don't think supports need a neef besides mantis sleep darts! As a support main in a game where majority of the characters are melee focused and who likes to dive into the backline to take out the healers, we need ways to protect ourselves! Especially for those of us who solo Q! I'm in plat and every single time I'm with the team a spidey, BP, or I.F. comes and send me to the shadow realm even tho i pinged the target multiple times and no one does anything about it!
As a panther main I think he is fine he should be punishing if u miss 1 ability I mean u legit take there back line but the dash sound and not resetting is decently annoying
I had to put a pause on black panther for a little while. I’m not having a problem marking people but it seems like every game 2-3 times I dash a marked target, it makes the noise that the dash landed but I get know reset and die. Too frustrating to deal with
Hela is already getting a nerf bc she’ll do 20% less damage but I hope they adjust some other things with it as well That BP glitch with the sound is so demoralizing 🤣
So glad to see this being noted cause I have hours of footage just screaming about dashes not resetting or the god damn aim in this game being sooo wonky, spears not marking lol Ive had to go back to watch the stream cause I know I played it perfectly and Ill see one of the 5 major bugs Just hit D2 playing BP only and i was just sayin how when the general aim gets fixed and dashes reset everytime Im definitely getting D1 maybe even GM Now give me better cooldowns and oooooooh we are eatinggg
BP gotta be my fav hero hands down, its at least comforting to see other people having the same glitch where the Vibranium mark doesn't reset the dash when I CLEARLY get the sound queue. But its alright, why spend all that time and investment into improving when you can just hold LMB twice on someone's head as Hela or Hawkeye. I don't want to see any heroes get nerfed, I think that's what would really kill the game, but I don't know how they could rework them without any obvious nerfs.
That's why I've stopped playing BP in the higher ranks, he just too inconsistant. The ability resets, the cooldowns, & the counter dive abilities are just a little to powerful
Idk if it’s me or no one I guess wants to talk about it, but the Limbo portal tht you get when u team up with Magik sometimes doesn’t work as intended. It will take you back one mili second and you will pop up the same place you use the ability. Surprise no one mentioned tht
played black panther for 35 hours, i can count with one hand the amount of times i teamed up with magik. But yeah, it’s happened to me and it is an issue
I know BP is suppose to be hard but DAMN missing your Dash is DEVASTATING. if your E doesn't get you out you're just dead on a deserted island. If you're not dead without your dash you're just useless so you're sitting near a corner waiting. I wish the cooldown was 7 seconds at least
The wall run helps get out a lot of the time so I try not to dash in the open where there are no walls. I would say I get out like 50% of the time when I run up the wall
He needs a 4 second cooldown on everything, something like Thor, and they need to make him stronger 😏 and faster 😏 and give him more health 😏 and more over shield 😏 and give him more spears 😏 and make the spears do more damage 😏
Ngl it does happen, but your first example is bad Replay your clip slowly with Hela u didn't actually hit the dash you missed look at the damage. It was a case of the sound being off giving you the sound of actually hitting it but the dash never connected hence the low damage to Hela and her mark still being on her head.
Bro the amount of times I get stunned or get killed because I used my ult is so annoying. It also just goes straight through people sometimes and doesn’t hit them.
My friends told me Im just bad for saying I get noregs on it 😂 Glad Im not alone with this take (old CS team, so they all understand the pain of noregs lol - just making fun of it for sure)
Crowd control. Basically any attack that stuns/hardlocks people and usually is a splash damage attack of some kind. Like groots ult, or mantis's sleep.
I love everything about his design ect but I don't like his playstyle in his state right now, cool abilities but way harder than everyone else to get value.
I love the shit outta playing black panther, and the unbalanced gameplay is what makes it fun with all the creativity with characters combining abilities. But BROTHER if I die again because I missed a dash or I'm out of abilities, or a get one or two tapped by hella and Hawkeye. I'm gonna fucking lose it.
Although I agree Panther needs bug fixes and maybe a cooldown buff, complaining about cc is kinda stupid. No cc and Panther would run wild. Also arguably an s tier character even with the issues when he’s got a dive comp around him.
@ you shouldn’t be able to 1v6 dive into a team and expect to come out alive. If you have 3 or 4 players diving this cc problem is almost a non factor. Mantis cc can also be shot after it hits someone.
Dude I hate identity politics, however black panther and Storm have purposely had the fun factor and usability sucked out of them. They have been gimped and it has me feeling some kind of way. His mobility is horrible, punisher has better mobility and closing distance than him.
Dude i wouldn't mind dash being buffed, but more than that, i want the kick to actually feel worth the button press. Either reduce kicks cd to 6 sec, or better yet, when you dash, 5% of the total damage dealt should be generated as a Kinect charge, and released by kick and reduce its cd by 2 sec. Make it the new Panthers cunning passive, and roll half the damage granted from the old passive into his baseline damage.
I think they should: •Increase the Vibranium Mark duration by about 1.7s •Increase his overall damage output(Dash from 80 -> 90 / Whirl from 70 -> 85) •Add a secondary effect to his Passive that reduces his damage taken by 10% while over 50% HP •Make it so he gains a tiny bit of Armor/Shield after dashing a unmarked enemy, so his kit is not so unforgiving •Increase his health to about 400-450 _seriously, it's a dive characte that jumps straight into the danger zone_ •Reduce his Dash Cooldown by 2 seconds and make it so when the Spear hits the enemy, by 1 further second(meaning you can speed up the process while simultaneously preparing for the next target) •Make enemies take 7 damage when the Mark expires by itself •fix all his bugs
@crackedblack1410 I agree with buffing damage a little bit he just cant kill anyone if they get healed even slightly. I dont think he needs too much of a health buff though because he is hard to hit, and if they go in in a place with a lot of exits and walls he can usually get out easily. I think the stuns need nerfing, mantis specifically she can throw it at the ground while you’re dashing and you get stunned. I also dont think shields should block the mark from going on the enemys but it should block the spear damage part. The biggest problem I have though is the ult feels like a stun yourself button, you go from dashing everywhere to standing still and yelling at everyone to turn around and shoot you.
@@Mystralisk looking at it again i agree with the health. It was just that high dps characters like Thor have soo much health, while a diving character has only 300, but then again, you are very right with him being very mobile so they can't hit him as easy. I also agree on the ult, maybe make it so that he gets automatically healed while performing it, but it deals less damage. The purpose of the Ult is to reset anyways.
Hard agree with all of your points. The cc feels too easy to hit and it's so punishing. Melee champs are the coolest and most unique aspect of the game but they also feel so much weaker than multiple ranged champs. Every kill cam is just a Hela or Hawkeye spamming their shit and missing 10 shots but then hitting one head shot, there isn't any skill involved. Shouldn't a melee attack do more damage than a ranged attack? It's way harder to hit a melee. I would love if there was staling on attacks so you couldn't just spam shit. Would make the game soooo much more skillful. There's also no skill involved with the healing it's way too bursty and spammy. I can hardddd carry games just being a decent healer. It's just hold left click heal bot so bad players can feel useful. A lot of the bad parts of overwatch are in this game, it's pretty unfortunate. I've recently stopped playing because it's just getting repetitive. But I also like a lot about the game and want it to thrive as well. This first hero patch is gonna be very important imo.
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I'm so glad im not the only one noticing how his Dash will flatout not reset sometimes when striking marked targets. Extremely frustrating to do everything right and the game just goes "lol nah"
Oh ok so I wasn’t tripping lol. I thought that was happening but I couldn’t prove it
I honestly thought I was crazy
I thought i was crazy and just bad
I noticed this so many times wondering if others had this issue. It's so frustrating
no for real, i thought i was just tweaking out for no reason, i had to take a break cus it was just stressing me cus it was happening a lot to me, i have yet to get back on the game which sucks cus i actually really do like it
getting stunned by a penny every 3 seconds is wild, having a stun ability that is ready every 3 seconds is wild, idk who thought that was a good ability
The 2x speed to compensate for the yapping is hilarious
LMAOOOO aye man imm just helpin yall out !
And genius, I stayed ;3
@Somjuu my guy, we can increase the playback speed lmao. I'm looking at my setting like I'm doing something wrong lok
Self-awareness
Playing BP is playing the game on hard mode. Pretty much his whole kit makes you out yourself in danger at all times. Every time I play Psylock I feel like I'm cheating with how easy it is to get value and kills with her. I think BP is the most fun but my God you have to never make a single mistake.
I play both Spiderman and BP and this applies more to Spiderman. With BP, theres a little bit of leeway.
But yeah, you have to put in so much effort to make both characters work but thats also what makes the game fun for me
Gotta use the walls to escape a lot and not be seen, when I okay him I feel like I’m in a batman movie in a scene at night or something and the enemy keep trying to find me
@@jianecalpotura2543you can escape easier with spiderman if you mess up
@@jianecalpotura2543yeah absolutely i play a lot both,now mainly bp in ranked and spiderman simply the efforts-reward no worth it. Bp have a good effort-reward in my opinion facing to spiderman(the most hardest character in the game
Im just fine with how difficult and punishing it is to play BP, but heres my take: for how difficult he is, he should consistently be the best duelist in the game. I personally find Panther to be the toughest character in the game, yes including Spiderman, which I love, but we shouldnt be rewarded for that effort with a mid-A tier hero. Given how much a BP player has to do in order to accomplish what Hela can do by clicking twice, I feel like he should do a bit more damage, be more consistent, have better matchups, etc. Im glad Im not the only one expecting some qol changes for my boy
Yes it’s like the game punishes you for playing with the hardest character. Then scarlet witch can come through and blast the whole squad with one move.
Exactement. I love his gameplay although it is a constant struggle, but playing minigames and twister with my keyboard just to secure one kill feels very very very unrewarding, especially since I have to dive into the danger zone, while a Hawkeye can just sip a drink on the roof and 1-shot
I have mained spiderman and I can say I was pretty decent. Got a vid of an older match on my channel. Within my experience Spidey is way easier than panther.
Glad one of the top black panther content creator spoke about the issue. Everytime i go on tiktok mfs be saying oh you suck he’s really good at flanking. Like I Know good panthers make it look like he’s a really good character but you need to make sure all the dps are equally or atleast close to one another in terms of value. Black panther needs a buff period.
The "phantom mark" / dash-not-resetting is related to the game's servers; the spear > mark > dash sequence has desync issues with the game server. In most cases, the server will register the mark quickly enough, but sometimes there are hangups. This issue is usually the game's server's application itself, not your (or their) network. I believe there will be an imminent client+server update which will help with these sort of bugs.
Turn on the "Show Ping" setting and you'll start to wonder:
Why are there such a large variance in ping (California varies from ~50-120ms)? If you lock your game to a region, the ping should be relatively stable -- period. The variance in ping times for a single region often indicates issues within the game's engine's code.
Why do ping spikes happen so often? Besides having just a large variance in baseline ping, game to game, there are also frequent ping spikes. More common than any other game I've played tbh. The saving grace is that the netcode seems decent. The ping spikes are smoothed out well and they're not as noticeable as in other games.
Glad someone’s finally talking about this. We just need some to feel some consistency from the game itself as we get more consistent and improve as Black Panther. Tired of getting robbed. Kinda hard not to tilt and play worse for the rest of the match when you get 2, 3, even 4 instances of false feedback on the dash in a row if it’s an especially rubberbandy lobby.
Hawkeye really needs to be tuned down. Makes no sense that literally 1 arrow headshot is a insta kill. Bro literally can aim 5 feet outside a hitbox and from 200 yards back to get 1 shots.
The way Hawkeye is designed, he’d be unplayable if he couldn’t one shot. Super diveable, no utility in his ult or a storm arrow like hanzo from overwatch, and have you seen black widow who is at least a hitscan sniper?
@@YMan-zo5kg Blackwidow doesn't have a parry without a cooldown and can't take one shot. she cannot continuously shoot at you because of the bolt-action rifle she has
I actually think nerfing characters until they‘re unplayable is the OW route and Hawkeye can compensate for a Luna Snow that almost grants immortality. Beside that, if he wouldn’t 1 shot, he would be noticed and attacked even faster by characters he just can‘t do anything against in close combat 1v1.
@@mr.helmetgobrr3482 yea and black widow is horrible and almost unplayable at a high level. Hawkeye needs to one shot, but the way they can tone him down is by making the hitbox smaller, charge slower, and maybe reduced damage to tanks.
@@YMan-zo5kg I think making him charge his bow slower and putting a little Cd on the parry sword is the way to go
I feel like BP is missing two key things in his kit. Evasive manuvers and breathing room. His kit is so tight and precise that one mistake equals death. He's high risk no reward. Heres how i would buff BP. I dont want him to be too overpowered so feel free to give your own thoughts.
Panthers cunning
Original passive: Increase damage by 20% when below 100 health.
Nearly impossible to utilize when your one step away from death. This is almost never actually used. He needs a way to actually survive while this is up
New passive: Increase damage AND DEFENSE by 20% when below 100 health.
Subtle step: Wall run with a double jump off the wall
A unique but overall weaker version of iron fist and Spidermans movement.
Subtle step(new): Double jump at any time. The ability to perch on walls.
Vibranium claws: No change
Spear toss: Cool down 6 seconds
His 2nd best tool In his arsenal and his only projectile attack. No new changes are really needed except for his cool down.
Spear toss (new): Cool down 5 seconds
Spinning kick: Cool down 8 seconds. 16 meter range.
His weakest attack by far with a slow wind up time. Needs more versatility and should be used to either disengage or cover distance. His wind up should remain the same but with added perks.
Spinning kick (new): Cool down 10 seconds. 16 - 24 meters (hold to spin longer). Once fully spinning, reflects projectiles, fully blocks melees and takes half damage from beams and miscellaneous.
Sprint rend
The core of his arsenal. This one change might be considered controversial. I dont think he needs a lower cool down instead...
Sprint rend: bigger hit box for more consistent contact.
Bast's Descent: 150 damage and mark all enemies it hits.
Now for the Ult i feel like he needs a COMPLETE workaround. It's obvious that it's not meant for kills so it dosen't need a damage increase. I'd even go a step further as to DECREASE the damage in exchange for a pseudo iron fist/hulk type ult.
Bast's Descent (new): 100 damage and mark all enemies it hits. Gives 100 in shields. Allows black panther to survive one killshot with one Hp AFTER the initial ult lands. Become one with Bast for a short period.
Bast's Embrace: Black Panthers abilities are improved for 6 seconds. The time resets after each kill.
Vibranium claws have more range.
20% movement and attack speed.
10% attack and defense.
3 Spear tosses instead of two.
Spinning kick cool down reduced to 7.
2 sprint rends instead of one.
And that's pretty much it. Is it to much, to little? I feel like it's pretty balanced
I left a lengthy response in the "what dont you like" within the last survey about the same bugs and how godlike the healers are. I told them to check their statistics, that I bet the most mvps goes healers😢
Same
At 5:30 I think your dash connected before the spear landed, so the vibranium mark wasn’t on him until AFTER you dashed
This one for sure. I've had it happen to me as the spear is a projectile
Same, that animation cancel us horrible from close range because of the internal spear speed up time
I thought this too, but you can put the video on 0.25 playback speed, you can see the mark on top of hela way before the dash even connects. So the game already registered the mark on her.
The dash never connected, you can tell because she’d have lower health if the spear and dash hit, the audio is bugging on it
Look at the dmg, dash did 0 dmg so couldn’t have hit
Something that happens to me is not being able to mark punisher in their turret. I kinda wish you could mark turrets like punisher and namor
Bro, ive been waiting for a video like this for a minute, i thought i was tweaking bro. I knew BP was bugged.
This is why I say Black Panther should be a 5 star, bc he's complex and he's pure ambush, if they see you coming that ut most of the time......and THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one that noticed, some times it either won't mark, even when you hear it, but no mark, and no refresh. BP is nothing with out the dash
In the clip you show where you spear the Hela, you dash before the spear actually lands & the spear explodes after your dash is put on cooldown.
on 0.25 playback you can see the mark above hela's head before the dash connects
@Kyletok Looking at it in 0.25x speed I think they‘re right, the mark applied after the dash bc the spear only hit a millisecond after. What’s bugged is the sound notification of the Mark.
Dash cooldown yes. Also why do Luna and Mantis have speed boosts? If you miss a dash you can basically just kite BP to death. It’s stupid. Supports shouldn’t have longer range combat and faster default mobility at the same time. Melee characters should have speed boosts if anything.
I believe all melee charexters have a slight speed boost but even if they don’t I kinda like that aspect of BP. It’s either play perfect or get punished which I feel is true to BP’s charecter.
@@stevendrake5268 How is that true to BP's character...?
@ He expects nothing more than perfection. He’s a king with high standards.
@@stevendrake5268 that has nothing to do with how his character plays
Just fix the bugs, especially the sound cue. I would also like to have something near your reticle where it says or shows that your dash has been resetted
Personally:
-Comparing to hawkeye and hela seems kinda unfair since they are the obviously top 2 dps and permabanned in ranked for a reason
-Dash cd buff would be loved but not super needed imo
-The dash register/reset bug is absolutely needed, got so many clips of dashing through 1-3 marks where both the sound and vfx come out and I just die bc of no dash
-Twirl is definitely the worst part of his kit maybe a speed buff would work
-Personally I believe a dmg buff even slightly would be crazy good since right now any support is able to self heal the combo if they react quickly and if the other support turn around they are unkillable
- Personally I dont have a problem with Luna snowball since its slow cast + hard to hit (unless they target your twirl), mantis aoe sleep on the other hand is kinda bs sometimes
- Funny enough my favorite part about those ccs is that they are meant for divers so they do nothing against again hela/hawkeye (or another range dps which they are usually better than divers) so another reason those 2 are super good since they dont even have to get within range of enemies cc
I would really like some accessibility options for the vibration mark. shit is so small and it's so hard to see, maybe there could be a purple outline for everyone marked or something
I agree
i agree with all your points, they should make it so that the dash has a increasing bleed property (anti-heal + DOT) or they should make it that the damage of the dashes increases per dash hit.
The most annoying thing about panther is his Twirl kick which
1. if you try and run away with it your head literally becomes a "free kill" sign if there's a hela or hawkeye on the team
2. as you said, it's slow as shit
3. it should HONESTLY be freely aimable (like BP dash)
4. ALSO IT GETS STUCK ON LITERALLY ANYTHING IT'S SO ANNOYING
You can also see the 3rd person reticle issue is with Magik, if you dash aiming with the right side you'll miss but if you aim super far to the right, even on the other side of her character model, you'll hit. Honestly I don't use the reticle for anything but her magic slash anymore.
I realized a lot of dashes bugs out on elevated ground where there are multiple levels of elevation like a stair for example. The same goes for magik. Sometimes if you hit elevated ground while your dash will just completely cancel. This happend so many times for me while playing panther and magik.
I hope the Marvel Rivals devs do start implementing these changes for BP as well as bug fixes across the roster, this game has too much potential frr. W vid gang 🔥💯
4:43 ive watched some of your gameplay, sometimes you just hit the dash before the spear connects so you don’t get the dash back
I think the 8 second cooldown is fine, but they need to make it where if we melee a marked enemy with a basic attack instead of insta resetting it reduces the cooldown kinda like Ironfist that way it still requires skill to use him rather than just making it easy to dash.
He definitely needs a cool down to the dash. you end up getting cooked too often by flyers/ranged attacks and we gotta wait 8 seconds to do anything
I really thought i was tweaking with hearing myself hit the dash after the spear because the replays does not make the sound, good to know its a weird bug
Broski, 6:22 you can CLEARLY see Strange blocking your spear with his shield. But i agree with you with everything else. But remember characters with shields can block your spear.
honestly, I think if his kick gets as fast as the dash, it would be enough to "fix" him. Then you basically give him another escape ability. I think the dash cooldown is fine
of course, ignoring the bugs that also should be fixed
at 6:22 strange blocked ur speer with shield
I was going to say that. Strange did block his spear
You cant mark strange from behind his sheild
Same with punisher in his turret, sometimes it marks him but usually not
Yeah that black panther glitch with the dash and you hear damage is actually killing me lmao ive thought of switching different characters bc of it but black panther just to fun
The melee characters IMO are more fun than any of the other characters. I have heavy played spiderman, hulk, and BP. Yet they all feel weak when going against the ranged characters like winter soldier, Hela, Hawkeye, and Namor. Then you have to deal with the cc of Peni, Hulk, and Mantis which at least with hulks exile only hulk himself can damage you. Its just horribly frustrating. The bugs on BP make it even worse.
I thought I was going crazy, I have a couple clips of dashing through 3 people with marks, getting the hit marker sound thing and for some reason my dash is completely gone. If it weren’t for that things would be so much better
Hawkers hit window is ridiculous, some instances it like he can shoot thru walls
Im ngl the dash not resetting just looks like it's because you're dashing too early and hitting the opponent before they get marked by the spear. Spear throw probably has a windup time whether or not you animation cancel it which is why the mark application looks like it's being delayed. I don't play Black Panther though so it's probably worth testing out at least.
Edit: It could also be a ping issue where the mark registering is server-side, but the dash reset is client-side, which would explain the disparity in the reset timing. Worth checking too
No, this happens a lot even if you dash really late. Pretty sure it’s a matter of the servers being laggy. You’ll see that you definitely dashed through a target, you’ll get the hit confirmation sound, but you lose the dash. Then you look at a killcam and see that the person you dashed was in a completely different location than where you saw them at the time.
@CrazySuperJEBUS Ahh that would explain it too. How would they fix something relating to ping issues though?
@@turi5959 not sure how that all works, but all I know is that I don’t have any problems like that in Overwatch, so I’m sure it’s something they can and will polish off in upcoming updates.
i 100% agree that hero bans should be in every rank
I personally only need two changes from the character. Stop giving me hit sounds when I don't actually reset. And when I actually haven't hit anyone. And stop causing my dash to go off twice from holding shift once....
Dont forget when his dash sometimes gets cancelled by his wall climb
Bro forgot to mention peni parker with the 3 second cooldown on the stun, and spider nests that might as well just cut off part of the map for panther mains since they are impossible to break as melee characters
This game just needs a little hint of DR(Diminishing returns).Smite has it and it works amazimg if you get stunned by hard CCs simultaneously is makes the 2nd or 3rd or 4th cc not as strong . Cause ee all know there will be nore cc so hopfully they know it exists. And CCR(crowd control reduction) once the roster gets to like 50 it will be a must have in ur game
Nice vid brother, all the best with the channel.
One thing u didnt mention was that the spin also has the same bug as the spear where a mark sometimes doesnt happen
I don't think supports need a neef besides mantis sleep darts! As a support main in a game where majority of the characters are melee focused and who likes to dive into the backline to take out the healers, we need ways to protect ourselves! Especially for those of us who solo Q! I'm in plat and every single time I'm with the team a spidey, BP, or I.F. comes and send me to the shadow realm even tho i pinged the target multiple times and no one does anything about it!
As a panther main I think he is fine he should be punishing if u miss 1 ability I mean u legit take there back line but the dash sound and not resetting is decently annoying
More people need to see this
I had to put a pause on black panther for a little while. I’m not having a problem marking people but it seems like every game 2-3 times I dash a marked target, it makes the noise that the dash landed but I get know reset and die. Too frustrating to deal with
Hela is already getting a nerf bc she’ll do 20% less damage but I hope they adjust some other things with it as well
That BP glitch with the sound is so demoralizing 🤣
the 2x speed big ol turnoff bro dont wanna listen to alvins sunburnt cousin
So glad to see this being noted cause I have hours of footage just screaming about dashes not resetting or the god damn aim in this game being sooo wonky, spears not marking lol Ive had to go back to watch the stream cause I know I played it perfectly and Ill see one of the 5 major bugs
Just hit D2 playing BP only and i was just sayin how when the general aim gets fixed and dashes reset everytime Im definitely getting D1 maybe even GM
Now give me better cooldowns and oooooooh we are eatinggg
BP gotta be my fav hero hands down, its at least comforting to see other people having the same glitch where the Vibranium mark doesn't reset the dash when I CLEARLY get the sound queue. But its alright, why spend all that time and investment into improving when you can just hold LMB twice on someone's head as Hela or Hawkeye. I don't want to see any heroes get nerfed, I think that's what would really kill the game, but I don't know how they could rework them without any obvious nerfs.
That's why I've stopped playing BP in the higher ranks, he just too inconsistant. The ability resets, the cooldowns, & the counter dive abilities are just a little to powerful
Just finished a match and literally annoyed by the one dash reset I did not get.
Idk if it’s me or no one I guess wants to talk about it, but the Limbo portal tht you get when u team up with Magik sometimes doesn’t work as intended. It will take you back one mili second and you will pop up the same place you use the ability. Surprise no one mentioned tht
played black panther for 35 hours, i can count with one hand the amount of times i teamed up with magik. But yeah, it’s happened to me and it is an issue
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I'm trying to learn BP and I thought I just sucked 😂 I'm like" ok they're marked dash thru...ok no!?"
so many times i lose team fights/duals because my dash says it hit but also didn’t register the reset so then im just a open target
6:30 somjuu dr strange popped his shield thats why you didnt get a dash back
Ya I hate that the shields block that happens a lot so I try not to throw them near shield people
@ u have to throw ot next to them to avoid this shield;)
Yeah 8 seconds is ridiculous
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I know BP is suppose to be hard but DAMN missing your Dash is DEVASTATING. if your E doesn't get you out you're just dead on a deserted island. If you're not dead without your dash you're just useless so you're sitting near a corner waiting. I wish the cooldown was 7 seconds at least
The wall run helps get out a lot of the time so I try not to dash in the open where there are no walls. I would say I get out like 50% of the time when I run up the wall
I thought I was buggin yesterday I died so many times because that 2nd dash wasn’t working
@4:55 you just missed yuor dash
slow down the video u can see he was on top of the enemy also like he said there was literally a sound cue
@@mrsleepysheeep ???
@ ????????????
Nerfing is not the way
Buff everything weaker for a true equilibrium
He needs a 4 second cooldown on everything, something like Thor, and they need to make him stronger 😏 and faster 😏 and give him more health 😏 and more over shield 😏 and give him more spears 😏 and make the spears do more damage 😏
Bro I thought I was missing my spear bc my move wouldn’t reset and then I press again after it marks and i don’t have my dash
This sounding like doomfist 😩
Im bad i can say that but i play hawkeye and go off its like hanzo with how big the arrows are
Balance? What is..?
I dont think he needs a single buff. He just need his bug fixed
Ngl it does happen, but your first example is bad
Replay your clip slowly with Hela u didn't actually hit the dash you missed look at the damage. It was a case of the sound being off giving you the sound of actually hitting it but the dash never connected hence the low damage to Hela and her mark still being on her head.
Fck that they need to buff storm 💀
He definitely needs a damage boost. It takes forever just to kill Jeff. He also has the worst ult in the game, it doesn’t do much.
Bro the amount of times I get stunned or get killed because I used my ult is so annoying. It also just goes straight through people sometimes and doesn’t hit them.
@@MystraliskYea you gotta use it with a combo to be effective but that defeats the purpose of an Ult imo
My friends told me Im just bad for saying I get noregs on it 😂
Glad Im not alone with this take
(old CS team, so they all understand the pain of noregs lol - just making fun of it for sure)
What does cc mean? I’m just a spectator. Love the content 👍🏿👍🏿
Crowd control. Basically any attack that stuns/hardlocks people and usually is a splash damage attack of some kind. Like groots ult, or mantis's sleep.
Im a spectator when I get stunned
@@Mystralisk 😆
I love everything about his design ect but I don't like his playstyle in his state right now, cool abilities but way harder than everyone else to get value.
I love the shit outta playing black panther, and the unbalanced gameplay is what makes it fun with all the creativity with characters combining abilities. But BROTHER if I die again because I missed a dash or I'm out of abilities, or a get one or two tapped by hella and Hawkeye. I'm gonna fucking lose it.
I put it in x 0.75 and man still sound like a chipmunk
Definitely agree with the cooldown being 6 seconds on his dash.
Although I agree Panther needs bug fixes and maybe a cooldown buff, complaining about cc is kinda stupid. No cc and Panther would run wild. Also arguably an s tier character even with the issues when he’s got a dive comp around him.
There should be cc abilitys, but they should take skill to hit. You shouldn’t be able to look at the ground and stun everyone around you.
@ you shouldn’t be able to 1v6 dive into a team and expect to come out alive. If you have 3 or 4 players diving this cc problem is almost a non factor. Mantis cc can also be shot after it hits someone.
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Dude I hate identity politics, however black panther and Storm have purposely had the fun factor and usability sucked out of them. They have been gimped and it has me feeling some kind of way. His mobility is horrible, punisher has better mobility and closing distance than him.
I agree 100%
Its irritating how this game has intentionally made Black Panther & Storm hard to use or just plain underwhelming compared to the rest of the cast.
I was thinking the same thing
It’s cause they’re black. Not saying I dislike that tho. They are definitely some of the strongest when used right. Like doomfist.
I feel like more so other characters should be nerfed not patnher buffed, if his bugs are fixed he is in a great spot
They already said that they won’t be nerfing the broken but buffing the mid characters (hella is an exception, she needs a nerf☠️)
Dude i wouldn't mind dash being buffed, but more than that, i want the kick to actually feel worth the button press.
Either reduce kicks cd to 6 sec, or better yet, when you dash, 5% of the total damage dealt should be generated as a Kinect charge, and released by kick and reduce its cd by 2 sec. Make it the new Panthers cunning passive, and roll half the damage granted from the old passive into his baseline damage.
I think they should:
•Increase the Vibranium Mark duration by about 1.7s
•Increase his overall damage output(Dash from 80 -> 90 / Whirl from 70 -> 85)
•Add a secondary effect to his Passive that reduces his damage taken by 10% while over 50% HP
•Make it so he gains a tiny bit of Armor/Shield after dashing a unmarked enemy, so his kit is not so unforgiving
•Increase his health to about 400-450 _seriously, it's a dive characte that jumps straight into the danger zone_
•Reduce his Dash Cooldown by 2 seconds and make it so when the Spear hits the enemy, by 1 further second(meaning you can speed up the process while simultaneously preparing for the next target)
•Make enemies take 7 damage when the Mark expires by itself
•fix all his bugs
Shield idea is interesting kinda like it. Something like more damage if marked and shield if not would be cool
@@Mystralisk i added some new stuff, maybe you like those ideas as well
@crackedblack1410 I agree with buffing damage a little bit he just cant kill anyone if they get healed even slightly. I dont think he needs too much of a health buff though because he is hard to hit, and if they go in in a place with a lot of exits and walls he can usually get out easily. I think the stuns need nerfing, mantis specifically she can throw it at the ground while you’re dashing and you get stunned. I also dont think shields should block the mark from going on the enemys but it should block the spear damage part. The biggest problem I have though is the ult feels like a stun yourself button, you go from dashing everywhere to standing still and yelling at everyone to turn around and shoot you.
@@Mystralisk looking at it again i agree with the health. It was just that high dps characters like Thor have soo much health, while a diving character has only 300, but then again, you are very right with him being very mobile so they can't hit him as easy. I also agree on the ult, maybe make it so that he gets automatically healed while performing it, but it deals less damage. The purpose of the Ult is to reset anyways.
@ I think just giving him invincibility during it would be nice, or just make it faster so you dont die or get stunned out of it every time
Agree with smudging player killing the game slowly also low ranks players will not enjoy the game
bro half of the video has 0 sense, u miss ur reset only because u dash before ur spear even hits the person check it again lol
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No buffs since he was played almost every game in the Grand finals of the Marvel tournament
the dash no regs are making me lose my shit, and so go the 50 sec long stuns
Hard agree with all of your points. The cc feels too easy to hit and it's so punishing. Melee champs are the coolest and most unique aspect of the game but they also feel so much weaker than multiple ranged champs. Every kill cam is just a Hela or Hawkeye spamming their shit and missing 10 shots but then hitting one head shot, there isn't any skill involved. Shouldn't a melee attack do more damage than a ranged attack? It's way harder to hit a melee. I would love if there was staling on attacks so you couldn't just spam shit. Would make the game soooo much more skillful. There's also no skill involved with the healing it's way too bursty and spammy. I can hardddd carry games just being a decent healer. It's just hold left click heal bot so bad players can feel useful.
A lot of the bad parts of overwatch are in this game, it's pretty unfortunate. I've recently stopped playing because it's just getting repetitive. But I also like a lot about the game and want it to thrive as well. This first hero patch is gonna be very important imo.