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Puzzle FEN:
8/3P1P2/6R1/b7/8/3k1q2/8/K7 w - - 0 1
Puzzle Details:
5th Comm., 64, 1969
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I saw the first rook move and that was it. What an intricate position. Chess is the ultimate game of not letting your opponent know your next move.
But they know your next move and you know their next move and so on
Same I saw that
I saw it too
Me too
same
The way both players leave their pieces undefended and attacked makes it look like one of my games!
Lol
I play like that too i like to let undefended pieces to pieces that have more value or for better attak
Wow! This is a really complicated position. Very hard to play for white. Thanks for telling us the winning moves nelson.
You mean the drawing moves, I guess…..
What I'm wondering is whether a computer could [currently] solve it. Positions like this give us humans hope that computers won't take over everything.
@@christopherheckman7957 it is a T-7 position all setups with 7 or less pieces are solved. So a engine with tablebase will know it is a draw
@@leonator2322 Thanks. I didn't know what "state of the art" was.
When ever I see a chess puzzle asking me who is in a winning position I will always answer white because of the conventions of the genre, just flip the colors and I would get it wrong ever time
For me the rule is whoever's turn it is, though if I can' figure out how they could possibly win, and think draw would be good in their position, the answer changes to draw.
At the end black also could be fancy by playing Qd4+ followed by bishop c3+ to win the queen
This was an incredible puzzle
Hope i see more of these
At 3:40 isn’t Qf5+ possible because if queen takes we promote and get another queen?
Then Qc5 and black has mate in 4 because white can't stop both mate threat and has to sacrifice the Queen
Qf5+ Qxf5, d8Q Qc5.
Qc5 forks two direct mate threats: Qa5# and Qb4#. White's best response here is to get the black bishop, disabling both direct mates.
Qb6... would stop the mate threat temporarily, but black will then simply capture.
After the black king captures the white queen back, it's king + queen vs king for black, which means white loses.
I would be able to lose from both sides. The only move I got right was the Rook to g3. Other than that I fell in every trap you explained :D. I'm happy you take time to explain why certain natural moves does not work. If you did not I would not learn why they don't work.
Great content!
5:10 What if we do Queen to c8 check? So that we can avoid both the bishop and the other queen so king has to move or block with the queen then there is no more checkmate threads and we can just get another queen and we win. +Edit : If black blocks with anything just take it then get another queen ther is no checkmates no worrys (But you need to look carefully first) or we can also keep checking black untill they cannot block and move then get another queen :)
Black can block with the bishop to c3 as well. You have to move the king to a2, after which there is a checkmating attack with queen to e5, blocking all the possible checks.
After Black blocks there is another check on f5, and then only the queen could block so the black king has to move, not clear at all.
@@nonothik bishop c3 comes with check so white is just dead after a few more moves.
@@tobi439 Oh right of course, silly me!
@@tobi439
Black is out of checks after K-a2. No matter what black does, white either plays Q-f5+ or f8(Q).
1. d8(Q)+ Bxd8
2. Rg3 Is equivalent, right?
I don't think so. Don't have the board up right now but I wanna say if d8Q then Kc2 is winning for black
There is something i want to know. What, after White King to a1, would be the outcome if black move its King to d3?
Great question as that actually occurs in the main variation of the original solution. The video does follow the main line but finishes just a bit early with the perpetual check. The original solution goes 7.Ka1 Qe5+ 8.Ka2 Qd5+ 9.Ka1 (demonstrating the perpetual and taking us to 8:33 in the video), but then it continues with 9...Kd3 as you indicated, to avert stalemate. The study ends with 10.Qb1+!, which tablebases confirm to be the only drawing move. It's pretty hard to understand, but apparently other moves like 10.Qa4/Qa3+? would lose to 10...Bc3+!
On 3:39 couldn’t white just play QB6, it blocks all checkmates and allows queen to escape from black queen to A2. And allows wiggle room for promotion
You are my favourite RUclipsr right now, keep it up
3:18 Pawn: bro, trasform me to a queen to defend all checkmates!
0:14 pause there I mean pause and go there
Nice puzzle, I love seeing miracle draws like this
At 5:40, Queen to c8 with check might at least be mentioned.
I had no hope of figuring this out on my own. It would take me days
What about rook to d6 check at the very start wouldn't that allow you to play pawn to d8 get a Queen, bishop takes, then take the bishop with rook and you're protecting f8 Queen upgrade?
Qxf7 is the problem, and now its a Queen versus Rook endgame
Amazing puzzle Nelson!
I immediately saw the idea of skewering the Queen and King with the rook, as the Queen would be forced to take
3:37 we can go there soo if Black take its gonna be a stalemate but if he wont we can get a queen
C5 queen
At 515 of video... he says white queen to D1 check is only good option. You need to get the king to move off of the C column. Wouldn't queen to D8 do the same thing? It would force black to block with its queen or bishop or make the king move. If the queen blocks you simply trade queens.
3:37 I honestly don’t know why Queen B6 isn’t a good move for White. Defends from Checks, and if Black Queen goes for A2, you still have King B5 and Queen defending.
Qb6 Qc4 Ka3 Bc1 Qb2 Bxb2 mate
I would do pawn check - bishop takes or I take him - rook check - take bishop, next pawn queen vs queen, it takes, I take. One rook left (but for sure, always depends on the opponent's move - if black sacrifies bishop and steps left with king -> threat)
Rook to G3 forces the Queen to capture it and you get a Queen promotion.
2:05
He sacrifices THE ROOOOOOOOOOOOK
At 3:36 can't we go to b6??? Please answer my question 🙏🙏
At 3:38, if the white queen went F5 and check the black king in an attempt to deflect the black queen away from D file, it was enough to get another queen and it basically defends the A5 square..
I'm not that good at chess since I'm a beginner so I don't have insight on what's best to play next..
You'll see that my mind is too fast for eyes
at 3:31 you gave a line where the white queen is on f2 and the bishop blocks on d2. From this position, why does Qb6 not work to prevent checkmate?
If Qb6 Qc4+, Ka3 Bc1+ and mate next move.
The sublime beauty of chess is that the best move can be so unintuitive
3:43 it's not over...push pawn to queen..it's actually a great move for white and simply defends opponents queen...is it..?
4:50 king c2 is illegal
And then he sacrifices THE ROOOOOOOOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2:52 crazy thing about this position is it would be a draw if white did not have the d7 pawn... some of the lines are absolutely wild
More of the fantastic intricacies of chess. :)
Great, ignore tons of other white options like Qc8 at 5:50 to either exchange queens or pin the bishop and block the black queen. But I guess some interesting gambits is worth the price of white forcing a stalemate or draw. Brilliant.
Qc8 is a win for black after Bc3+. It's checkmate in 5.
(@8:49) But what if black doesn’t take the queen with the bishop, but instead plays Bd8 (with the idea to swing it to f6)?
White forces a draw with Qc4+.
I couldn't understand why we cannot lead black king away from C column by checking using queen on 8th rank
4:01 I see: White sacrifices twice, to deflect the queen and the bishop. Neat.
I got the first 2 moves because they were examples of pins and deflection and were ridiculous moves so i figured they were correct somehow ;)
Not really a chess player
But...
When the (whit) king was at a4 the queen was at f8 and pawn was at d7
Why not move the pawn to d8
That would make a threat to the black queen
I don't know why he didn't do that!
Can with good skills somone please explain?
6:48 black blocks and there no more checks for us
Qf7- U didn't have to cut me off
hypothetically, what would be the sequence if black has next move?
very cool, but I still can't help but wonder what would have happened @5:43 if W played Queen to C8?
3:19 well what if you Queen the other pawn? That guards a4
Then black Queen to c4 would be mate in 2
Because of Qb3#
@@Blackn3t oh
What is wrong with this line?
d8+ - K-C2
Q-c8+
Why do we need to sacrifice the queen instead of checking the king? If .... B-c3 then white responds K-a2, and black is out of checks.
I had found Rook pinning the Queen, then Queen takes, then promotion to a Queen was losing. But it never occurred to promote the other pawn to save the game.
And then he sacrifices THE QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
After getting the first queen, the chess program refused to evaluate the position.
At 3:24, what about moving the Pawn to get a queen? That would prevent the check mate for white, he would be in a winning position?
d8=Q Qc4+
Ka3 Qb3#
or
d8=Q Qc4+
Qb4 Qxb4#
Your suggestion provides black with checkmate in 2.
8:33 I am actually very curious is bishop to d8 an opportunity to win for black? I plugged it into the engine, but stockfish was kind of lagging or something, and it didn't see the moves that i considered as winning for black (I tried changing the depth, it didn't help much)
If bishop moves away at 8:00 then Queen to b3> King to c1 > Queen to b1 > King to d2 > Queen to b2 forces Queen trade and it's a draw.
If bishop moves away at 8:15 then Queen to b1 > King to c3 > Queen to b2 > King to d3 > Queen to b3 forces a Queen trade or a stalemate.
Correct if I missed something
Damn! There is actually a faster stalemate at 8:15 with Queen to c4 check
8:38 what if Qd1, Ka2 back then some random move was played to prevent repetition, it isn't clear who wins with the idea of same leveled players.
5:43 With the first queen check the king until you bring the queen closer to the king, then promote the second queen...
You don't have a good check though. If Qc8+, then Bc3+ counter check and it's mate in 5.
3:35 what about c5? If he takes it stalemate
3:43 White Qb6 prevents any mate and allows the king to go to b5 and run away.
If Qb6? Qc4+, Ka3 Bc1+ and mate next move.
At 5:43 what if u move the queen to c8, one move the left and check the king that way
Bc3+
It is just impossible to play like that without the stockfish
My puzzle skill: sacrifice the rook is the best
Nothing personal but people in the comments be like what about this move? I'm 99% sure they put this in an engine and the engine knows more than you sorry.
My head hurts trying to figure this one out... Great Content!😀
you brushed it of saying to many checkmate threats but couldn't the queen just move to a3
Which queen? At what point in the game?
Saw the first move
This looks like a fairly easy victory for Black. Rook to D6, King to C2. Then if Rook goes to C6 the King moves to B3. Rook to B6, Bishop to B4. Pawn Promotes to Queen D8, Queen to F1 and mate.
That's my read on it at least. Now to watch.
First move was easy.. after that was "Oh so that's the move" till the last move.
At 4:57 why wouldnt black just go queen a3 for mate?
In 3:40 couldn't white Queen move to B6? I'm not an expert enough to know woud happened next but I think it can do something.
Black responds with Qc4+, which leads to a mating sequence.
7:18 can’t you go to Qa3 which threatens the bishop and blocks all the checkmates and if black moves anywhere you can go for Qb3 check
Qd5 check, Ka1, Qd1, Ka2, Qb1 checkmate.
What about Rook a6, threatening the bishop and a skewer to go d8 queen when it moves
Mate in 4 in favour of black, starting with Kc2 with the idea of eventual Qb2 mate.
At first, I thought it was obviously black to win, but then I realized white can go Rg3, pinning the queen to the king and black has to take or lose the queen, but that allows white to go f8 and queen and then it isn't so clear who will win
i only got first move correct :(
queen to H1 check on the last part maybe iunno instead of capturing queen with bishop
Crazy puzzle!
Not seeing that coming speaks for itself.
unfunny
What about Qf3? As long as we keep white's queen from skewering our queen we can force white into a position with no checks and at some point trade the bishop for his queen and get a winning endgame.
At what point in the game?
3:03 what if queen g2
nvm queen can block
The problem of the white is that the pieces are badly distributed. The black king has a better position than the white king. If the pieces were distributed in a different way then it could have been a situation 'white to play and win' even without a rook.
Now i know how to win when i on this problem :)
I saw everything in 10 seconds
7:20 How about Qa3? You can defend against the checkmate
Qa3 Qd5+
Qb3 Qxb3+
Ka1 Qb2#
What if white played Qd1? Then you could force black out of stalemate and force a checkmate
At 8:36
Illegal move - white is checked.
6:42 but cant you just play queen to a3 for white? to prevent checkmate?
nevermind theres queen to b1 for black ;-;
Beginners: GET ANOTHER QUEEN DUH MORE MATERIAL
Immediates: lets just stall the king and probably get stalemate or draw by reposition
Masters/grandmasters/maximum: (what nelson played)
Can u just move the queen 1 step at the left and u save your queen and check the king?
At what point in the game?
What about black queen to h1???
I thought it was a Black win until the stalemate positions came. So a draw with best play, huh...😁
Oh yeah, saw this in a bullet game. 😂
Why not Qd5+ by black at 6:57 instead of Kc2.
Prepares a checkmate.
3:41
Did anyone else see that white has Q… b6. It doesn’t threaten mate, but I wonder if it’s a draw. Probably not.
Qb6 Qc4+
Ka3 Bc1+
Qb2 Bxb2#
never allow queens in endgame.
My guesses black because the black kings goes to c2,bishop c3,queen a3 well it's a draw so
At 6:40 why couldn’t the queen go to a3 to block the check??
How would it block, say, Qb1#?
What happens if white first move is Rook to D6 check?
Kc2 prepares a Qb2 mate at a later point
I think my brain hurts
How much do you want to bet?
8:17 what about if black plays Qd1?
Edit:nvm this also leads to stalemate, amazing position
If black plays qd1,white plays qb2 with check and then exchange queens and ultimately it’s draw
3:18 What if white makes a second queen here ?
d8=Q Qc4+
Ka3 Qb3#
or
d8=Q Qc4+
Qb4 Qxb4#
Superb game again
Wait what about Rg8 isn’t that the best move if not how
Why did you ignore black's Qa3?
At what point in the game?